1 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: Hello, delicious friends, and welcome to Who Did What Now? 2 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:20,159 Speaker 1: The history podcast that is not your history class with me, 3 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: your host, Katie Charlewood, history Harlotte and reader of books. 4 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: I think and we have bitten off a little bit 5 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: more than I can chew this month or next month, 6 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: I should say. So, I decided that April being the 7 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: month that it is, that I was going to cover 8 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 1: the Titanic. You know, I don't know if you know this, 9 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: but i've I was on the BBC as a Titanic expert, 10 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: so that was quite fun. So I was like, oh, 11 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: I know lots of weird information about this, but like, 12 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: what do people want to know? I'll ask and you know, 13 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: I'll get a couple of questions and I'll answer them 14 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: in videos and it will help like pad out, you know, 15 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: the bits of the month that I don't have. I've structured. Now. 16 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: Now that's all fine and well until I was looking, 17 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: you know, I went onto Instagram and I was like, oh, 18 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: there's so many questions. That's fantastic. And then I go 19 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: in into Facebook and there's like nine hundred questions. Now 20 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: some of them are the same one like and I 21 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 1: shit you not kid? Jack and Rose fit on the door, 22 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: which is a question I am actually gonna answer because 23 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: it annoys me so much, so I'm gonna do it. 24 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 1: And I had to talk about physics, which is my 25 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: least favorite thing in the world. Well maybe not my 26 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: least favorite, but like it's not my top level of 27 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: subject that I like to chat about. Fucking physics. I 28 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: don't have a brain for physics, guys, And yet I 29 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: have to explain this. Just like the glass slipper, We're 30 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: not gonna get into it. We're gonna we're gonna breathe 31 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: in positive day A, we're gonna breathe out negativity. There 32 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: we go. It's all good. It's a good But yeah, 33 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: it was. That was a choice that I made, and 34 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: I had a really fun weekend. I went to see 35 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: my friend Paul, who it was telling me his wonderfully 36 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: terrible like speed dating like stories because he decided he 37 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: was going to like try his hand it's speed dating. 38 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: Spoiler alert. It did not go well. It did, however, 39 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: go quite funny. But yeah, that was. That was a 40 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: good time. So we did an escape room, and I'm 41 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: gonna complain about an escape room now, I'm not going 42 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: to tell you which one. It is. But effectively, the 43 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: very first clue is like, oh, the first thing to 44 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: change was time. And then even like I'm looking for 45 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: clocks or something like time related, right, and you know 46 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: the you know, the game master will sometimes give you 47 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 1: a hint if you're struggling, and they're like, yeah, no, 48 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: you need to look for a clock. There was no 49 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: clock in this room. There was no clock. There was, however, 50 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: a dial that went from zero to nine. But it's 51 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: a dial and not a clock. So I wasn't looking. Okay, 52 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: if you're asking me to look for a clock, I 53 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: expect it to be a clock. I don't care if 54 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: it's digital or analog or whatever. But a dial that 55 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: goes from zero to nine does not a clock, make 56 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: so anyway, basically that knocked us back because we were 57 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: looking for a damn clock. And I just I just like, 58 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: if you're going to make a puzzle room, your puzzles 59 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: actually have to make sense. I just feel like that's 60 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: a basic. But anyway, I know what you're thinking. You're thinking, Kerry, 61 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: quite a dibble, daba in fact me, In fact you 62 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: I will. But first we've got to get our source on. 63 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: Our sources are miss Peggy's Guide to Life by Miss 64 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: Peggy the deva Code by Miss the Muppet's Wiki. I know, 65 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, don't never use wiki as a source. I know, 66 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: I know I say that to you. I also have 67 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: there's a lot of television interviews, A lot of TV 68 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: has been watched for this amount of research. By the way, 69 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: because I thought it was so important that we talk 70 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: about an icon, you know, to finish Woman's History Month. 71 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: I thought, who better than body positivity Champion, like absolute diva, 72 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: you know, somebody who came from humble beginnings to superstardom. Okay, 73 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 1: purveyor of wigs, Okay, the one, the only Miss Peggy 74 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 1: now aisles it in comfortably good. Then let's begin. When 75 00:04:54,880 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: one starts researching Miss Peggy, it becomes quite clear that 76 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: her life, quite a lot of it, is shrouded in secrecy. 77 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,679 Speaker 1: And I just feel that she's quite a private person. 78 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: And in today's ageist society, I can understand why she 79 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: doesn't want to share certain parts of her life and 80 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: why she doesn't want to give these very specific time frames. 81 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 1: I understand like she is, you know, of an era, 82 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: and I think she deserves that respect. Now where I 83 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: do have dates I have them in and sometimes we're 84 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: just going to have to accept that we're never going 85 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 1: to have all the answers for some people in history. 86 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: But miss Peggy, miss Peggy was born miss Peggy Lee, 87 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: and Iowa, You're welcome, right. So she was named after 88 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 1: Peggy Lee, the famous singer. Now that in itself is 89 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 1: actually quite cute because Pegge's name isn't Peggy Lee. It's 90 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: Norma Dolores Eggstrom. And she became Peggy Lee. And if 91 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: you're thinking why do I know that name, well, she 92 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: was a famous singer. And you may know her as 93 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: the voice of Darling peg and the Siamese Cats from 94 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: Lady and the Tramp, like classic Disney movie, not the 95 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: remag No. But this story isn't about Peggy Lee. It's 96 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: about Peggy Lee. And I understand to some of you 97 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: those words will sound the same, like I'll say miss 98 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: Peggy and you'll think I'm saying miss Peggy. I have 99 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: an accent. Please, You're just going to have to suffer 100 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: through it. And I only just realized that at this 101 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: moment when I was doing this, and I'm like, oh no, 102 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: people are gonna think I'm saying Peggy when I'm saying, Peggy, Oh, 103 00:06:54,600 --> 00:07:01,239 Speaker 1: this is going to cause confusion, So Peggy, Miss Piggy 104 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: has long maintained an air of mystery, shall we say, 105 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: around her early life. She has on occasion, however, let's 106 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: slip a few details, like her name is actually Pigathias 107 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: or or like. More formally, her name is actually miss 108 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: Pigathia Lee. Right, It's it's a lot of syllables going 109 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: on there. Now, here's the thing. Like many aspects of 110 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: her identity, this exists somewhere between fact and a self 111 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: created mythology. What is more consistently documented is that she 112 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: was born in a small town above a butcher shop, 113 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: specifically Beckel's butcher Shop. Now, setting in itself is significant 114 00:07:56,280 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 1: because it placed her from from the beginning in this 115 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: precarious relationship with her own identity as a pig in 116 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: a human dominated world. Now, her childhood wasn't the most 117 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: stable of living conditions. Like according to accounts from her 118 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: longtime performer Frank Oz, Piggy's father was rather unfaithful and 119 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: largely absent. He was always chasing after other sows, while 120 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: her mother was overwhelmed raising many many piglets, thus giving 121 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: her very little emotional attention. And this is in Iowa, 122 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: so she ends up living in this farm in Iowa. 123 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: Her father is like chasing after all these sows, like, 124 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: her mother is so focused on dealing with all the 125 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: piglets that she has that she doesn't really give enough 126 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: attention to each of them. And I think this is 127 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: where Piggy's need for attention comes from, you know, because 128 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 1: she wasn't getting it anywhere else, and so she demanded it. Now. Unfortunately, 129 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 1: when she was still a little little pig, her father 130 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 1: would die and attractor accident, like, and she's still quite young, right, 131 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: I don't know the details of the incident with the tractor. 132 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: All I know is he did not survive. Now, whether 133 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: this was him, you know, taking control of the tractor, 134 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: or whether he was mowed down by it, I could 135 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: not find that specific information because death of pigs on 136 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: farms rarely makes it to the front pages of the newspapers, 137 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: even in Iowa. So she's still a piglet when her 138 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: dad dies, she's young, and her relationship with her mother 139 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: continues to be strained, and over the years, Piggy would 140 00:09:55,800 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: later describe her upbringing as something she was determined to escape. 141 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: She said that growing up her life was humble, and 142 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: she never liked being humble. She never wanted a humble experience. 143 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: She wanted big, amazing, you know, trumpets blaring. She wanted 144 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:24,319 Speaker 1: it all. And from an early age she demonstrated ambition 145 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: and dissatisfaction with her circumstances. Like there was an often 146 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: repeated account which describes her declaring she would never live 147 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: the life she sought around her, and it is this 148 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: resolve which led her to leave home as a teenager. 149 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: Before entering show business, she pursued self improvement in structured ways. 150 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: She attended charm school, where she refined the manners employees 151 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: that would become central to her public persona. Now, over 152 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: the years, her accent would kind of evolve and change. 153 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: Sometimes it would verd on British like a high upper clip, 154 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 1: or it would veer into fringe. This sort of ambiguity 155 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: with her accent is it would kind of meld and flow. 156 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: I think was her way of becoming who she was 157 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: meant to be. So after this this charm school, she 158 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: worked in a department store selling gloves, and this is 159 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: one of these several early jobs that placed her in 160 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 1: proximity to fashion and presentation, both of which she would 161 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: later elevate into defining traits. Now, the fact that I 162 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: haven't seen Miss Piggy at the MET Gala is a tragedistate, no, tragedy, travesty. 163 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 1: You know what tragedty. I've decided it's a traged sty 164 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 1: It is both. It is bad, and Miss Piggy should 165 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: be walking the red carpet at the MET Gala, because 166 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: I think she would have the most amazing outfit. I'm 167 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: just saying. So her early years in the city, this 168 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: darling babe, this pig in the city, they were financially unstable. Now, 169 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: like many many performers in creatives starting out, she took 170 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: whatever work she could find. At one point she walked 171 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 1: with a sandwich board advertising a barbecue stand. Now that 172 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: that is an especially difficult job given the implications. She 173 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: also posed for ads, you know, including promotions for bacon products. Now, 174 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: how humiliating must that have been for her? You know, 175 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: It's like, I know, we talk about selling flesh, but 176 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: it's literally selling her flesh, you know, It's it's selling pigs. 177 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: She's a pig, and she's promoting the murder and consumption 178 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: of her own. People like that's not that's not great. Now, 179 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: this work she does it is completely out of necessity 180 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: and not by choice. I mean, why else would she 181 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: do it? Like she doesn't want to love this life. 182 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: And it's during this period that she briefly adopts the 183 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: stage name loverne Right. Because listen, things are not going 184 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: great for her. She needs a new start, and so 185 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: she enters beauty pageants as a means of survival. These contests, 186 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: they were a turning point in her life. She developed 187 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: her stage presence, learned how to command attention, and began 188 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: shaping the persona that would later define her career. Her 189 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: first major breakthrough came when she won the Miss Bogan 190 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: County beauty contest. This victory marked her transition from struggling 191 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:04,439 Speaker 1: former to emerging personality. It was also at this point 192 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 1: that she first encountered her amphibian friend, Kermit the Frog, 193 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: a meeting that would become central to her personal and 194 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: her professional life. Following her pageants success, Miss Piggy secured 195 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: a role in a Bacon commercial, which led to further 196 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: television exposure. She spent a season as a mascot on 197 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: a local TV sports program called pig Skin parade. Okay. 198 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: These appearances established her as a recognizable on screen presence 199 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: and eventually opened the door to her involvement in The 200 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: Muppet Show. On The Muppet Show, like og nineteen seventies, 201 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: miss Piggy evolved rapidly, appearing in smaller roles like she 202 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: was in the chorus, she was in the background. Right. 203 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: She soon became one of the program's central figures. Right, 204 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: I mean, of course, how could you not look at 205 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: Miss Piggy and think that is a star? I mean, 206 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: like her persona combined exaggerated glamour, assertiveness, and emotional intensity. Right. 207 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: She was known for her dramatic entrances, her strong willed personality, 208 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: and a tendency towards some physical outbursts. I'm often portrayed 209 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: as martial arts expertise. Right, listen, listen, she's controlling her 210 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: anger through sport. You know, I mean, that's that's something 211 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: we should appreciate. You know that she channeled it into 212 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: the hut, you know what I mean. Can't help anybody 213 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: who's listened to this with headphones on. So there we go. 214 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: It's a little that still is bad, true, trying to 215 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: do this like behind a wall, so that you don't 216 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: get the harshness. I'm so sorry. I love you, really, 217 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. So her relationship with Kerma It developed 218 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: during this period and became one of the defining dynamics 219 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: of the show. It was, however, characterized by inconsistency, moments 220 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: of affection interspersed with conflict, miscommunications and let's call them 221 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: differing expectations, and while Kermit often appeared cautious or reluctant, 222 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: Piggy expressed her feelings openly and intensely, and their relationship 223 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: became a recurring narrative like both on and off the screen, 224 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: like the thing is with Kerma is at no point 225 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: does he turn around and say I don't want to 226 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: be with you Piggy, Like I feel like she wouldn't 227 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: have and the rejection great to begin with, but I 228 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: feel like she'd got over it because she's Miss Piggy 229 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: and she deserves the world, okay, and I think she 230 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: needs someone who is going to be there for her. 231 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: But she was always very open about her feelings and 232 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 1: he wasn't. Now whether it's because he doesn't feel the 233 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: same way, but he still wants to keep her around. 234 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: It's like, do not keep Miss Piggy around for the 235 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: girlfriend experience. Bit, I mean, I love you Karrama. I 236 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: do I love you Kermat not just because I am 237 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: just so super big fan of miss Piggy Icon, but also, 238 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: you know, I like I like a small funny guy. 239 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 1: I like a small funny guy. They're cute and adorable 240 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: and they can hold their breath for a really long time. 241 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: So her romantic history, while centered on Kermit Krumy, this 242 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 1: has included numerous implied, insinuated or actual just like fully 243 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: stated relationships with other figures. Now, unsurprisingly, they're often presented 244 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: in an exaggerated or comedic way. Now, is she doing 245 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: this because she's trying to lure, you know, care me 246 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 1: back to her? Or is this her just living her 247 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: best life and getting people to enjoy Yep, no, I 248 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: think that maybe it Maybe she just wants to have 249 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: a good time. Now. These relationships contribute to ongoing narrative, 250 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 1: to her ongoing narrative as a character who seeks both 251 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 1: independence and companionship, although not always in conventional ways, and 252 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: we love that about her obviously. So when it comes 253 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: to their relationship from like seventy six to eighty one, 254 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: it's the Muppet Show era. So I'm gonna break this 255 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: down as a timeline because there's so much going on 256 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: in her life it's really hard to just like single 257 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: it up, you know. So their relationship during the Muppet 258 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:12,959 Speaker 1: Show era is a central comedic storyline, and you have 259 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 1: Piggy aggressively pursuing the romance between them, and kelmat is 260 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 1: consistently hesitant and evasive. So Piggy, you know, she's she 261 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: really loves her care me Kurmy, and she's you know, 262 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: she's I don't want to say jealous, I mean she 263 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: is jealous. Actually know she's one hundred percent jealous because 264 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: she's like, do not take my frog please, that is 265 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,439 Speaker 1: my amphibian, thank you very much. Now, So when it 266 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 1: comes to guest stars, female guest stars like like, she 267 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: didn't appreciate when they were flirting with her frog. Okay, 268 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: she wasn't for that, And this would often result in 269 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: her again managing the actor in a constructive way, and 270 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 1: these martial arts karate chop outbusts would happen when she 271 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 1: was rejected. And the problem with this is it kind 272 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 1: of it kind of leads to this ambiguity in the 273 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 1: relationship is on and off again, is it an actual thing? 274 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 1: Like what is going on when the Muppet Movie comes 275 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 1: out in seventy nine, Like it portrays them as like, oh, 276 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: they've just met. Oh it's new, and Piggy joins his journey, 277 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: and it has this very early sign of like attachment 278 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: and loyalty. And they're not a fully established couple. But 279 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 1: it is interesting that the creator of this whole thing 280 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 1: keeps putting them together as a couple. Why do you 281 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: keep making her your love interest? Carem if you're not interested? 282 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: Right and eighty one In The Great Muppet Caper, Piggy 283 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: is playing a glamorous fashion model and Kermit is a reporter, 284 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: and she openly pursues him romantically, as is her way, 285 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:13,479 Speaker 1: and Kermit he shows more interest than before, but he's 286 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: still incredibly cautious. Now this is a very like flirtatious 287 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: relationship between the two of them, but it's definitely a 288 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: developing one. Now three years later, in The Muppet to 289 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: Take Manhattan, it is a major turning point, with Piggy 290 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 1: and Kermit portrayed as a committed couple. Now they have 291 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 1: an on screen wedding, which it's important to note that 292 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: this is often treated as like ambiguous canon in some 293 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 1: say like it was just a movie, but it is 294 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: the relationship at its most official, like depending on your interpretation. Now, 295 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: what's interesting here is again the producer of the show 296 00:21:56,040 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 1: created a storyline in which he marries Miss Piggy. You're 297 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: leading her on at this point, kermit, if you're not interested, 298 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,919 Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, I feel like people 299 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 1: at like Miss Piggy is the toxic one in this relationship. 300 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 1: But if he's leading her on, I have I have opinions. Okay, 301 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: So between the eighties and the nineties, you know, they're 302 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: doing variety specials, they're doing shows, and this relationship continues 303 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: into TV specials, their appearances, all this stuff. You know, 304 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: they are shown as this long term couple. Of course, 305 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: there are arguments and reconciliations. They're on, they're off, they're 306 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 1: rossing and rachel and they're doing all this stuff. And 307 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 1: Piggy quite publicly refers to Kilmut as her partner, although 308 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: he is noncommittal about their marriage. I mean, I mean, 309 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying that you're gaslighting as a frog. 310 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 1: I'm just saying that maybe you should consider how you're 311 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 1: doing things now. In nineteen ninety six, one of the 312 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 1: best Muppet movies comes out. Okay, also before this actually, 313 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: so people like to say, the best Muppet movie that 314 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: ever existed is, of course I'm Up at Christmas Carol. 315 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: Now I'm not saying it's the best Muppet movie out there, 316 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: but it is, however, the best version of a Christmas Carol. 317 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 1: And this is coming from someone who fucking hates Charles Dickens, right, 318 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: fucking hates the man. Right, Gonzo managed to make him charming. 319 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 1: Don't ask me how. It's a gift, dear Gonzo. So 320 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: when it comes to mupet, Treasure Island again, it's an 321 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: alternative history and well it's an alternative retelling of the 322 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: Treasure Island book. And they become this couple again in it. 323 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 1: So Captain Smollett played by Kermit, and then Benjamina Gunn 324 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 1: played by Miss Piggy. Again, he's the producer, okay, he's 325 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 1: running the show here, and he keeps putting them in 326 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: these sort of relationship roles. So in this reflects the 327 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 1: same dynamic that they have together, but in these different 328 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 1: characters and reinforces their pairing as the default narrative for 329 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: both of them. Now, the thing about this is, like, 330 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: I know so much about mup at Juju Island. It's 331 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 1: my favorite, one of my favorite movies. But canonically, in 332 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: this movie, I need you all to pay attention here 333 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: because this is the important part. Canonically, in this movie, 334 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: the Frog has a tattoo on his chest of a 335 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 1: naked miss Piggy. I need you to understand that this 336 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: is a character that he chose to play, and you're 337 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: trying to tell me, he says, there's no relationship between 338 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: the two of them. What the actual fuck, Kermit. No, So, 339 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine, we have muppets from space and they're 340 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: really is present in this It's not central to the movie, 341 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 1: but it is there, and they are still very much 342 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: portrayed as emotionally connected. Now, they continue being in the media, 343 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: having interviews, so on and so forth, and they are 344 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: very much presented still as a long term couple in 345 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: public life. They appear together all the time in interviews 346 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:26,719 Speaker 1: in press, and Peggy claims they are married quite consistently, 347 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: and Kermit typically avoids confirming this, which is again, this 348 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: is nineteen ninety nine, this is two thousands. Okay, we're 349 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: way past this, right, Like eighty four. Apparently you got 350 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,719 Speaker 1: married in eighty four, and then you're just telling me that, 351 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,719 Speaker 1: what ten twenty years later, you're still going what. I 352 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 1: can't confirm this, yes or no, Kermit. I'm sorry, I'm 353 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: getting really mad about this. I'm getting really hungry, and 354 00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: you guys deserve better. So by the Muppets movie in 355 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,880 Speaker 1: twenty eleven, like they are broken up at the start 356 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 1: of this movie, Like in Piggy she is she is 357 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: living her best life, working at Vogue Paris. Like she's 358 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: in Vogue Paris, she is working in fashion. She is 359 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 1: having the best life, and Kermer is living separately. Now 360 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 1: by the end of the movie, they do reconcile emotionally, 361 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: and their relationship status is it's complicated, Like it's still undefined, 362 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's not official by any means, 363 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: and Muppets most wanted. They are very much portrayed as 364 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: being together again, and Piggy expects commitment, but Kermit, like 365 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: real carameit, not like fake Kermet, like he struggles with 366 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: these expectations, and they continue with their classic I'm gonna 367 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: call it, by the way, devotion versus hesitation, which is 368 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 1: very much a trope with relationships like either like shutter 369 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: get off the pop man shout to get off the pot. 370 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: You know when them up it's TV show happens in 371 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, there is like it's huge, not only right 372 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: are they officially broken up? Like miss Peggy Pegathia Pygathia, Pygathia, 373 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: Lee Pegathia Pygathia. I'm gonna need someone to like confirm 374 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 1: how we're pronouncing her like big name. I feel like 375 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: we deserve this. Now she announces that they are no 376 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: longer together, like she is publicly talking about it, which 377 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: is very much like drawing a line in the sand, 378 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: is it not? And Kierman is dating someone else, like 379 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: she's dating other people too, but he's dating Denise. Do 380 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 1: you know who Denise is? She is a younger peg 381 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry you traded her in 382 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:12,360 Speaker 1: for a younger model. I swear to fuck no positive 383 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: inside thoughts. So they are separated and emotionally connected. Now 384 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: this is their this is their relationship for a while. Okay, 385 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: now that the New Muppet Show is on, they're kind 386 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: of back in that same spot again, the devotion and 387 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: the hesitation. They're kind of back in that area and 388 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: and things are hmm now, miss Piggy, I mean, let's 389 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: face it, has been strung along by Kermit. So there 390 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: is no surprise that she ends up, you know, having 391 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: dalliances with other people, because how else is she going 392 00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: to live her life? She deserves love, Okay, So sometimes 393 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: she just says, instead of just waiting around for him, 394 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: she says, fuck this for Game of Soldiers, right like, 395 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: because Kermit is not the only love affair that she has. 396 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: One of which from like the O G Muppet Show 397 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: era is link Hogthrob, right so he's her co star 398 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: in Pigs and Space, and he's effectively this romantic foil 399 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: to Kermit, and he's like more traditionally like heroic and 400 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: glamorous and peggy. She shows in dressed, she's flirting and 401 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: a lot of their like flirting and banter. It's you know, 402 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: very situational. It's comedic, and there is occasional romantic tension, 403 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: but it's more a flirtation than anything else. It's a 404 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: casual flirtation as one does. Now. She does also find 405 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: another one to catch her eye, which is Floyd Pepper 406 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: if you know, you know, he is part of the 407 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: Electric Mayhem band, and they're just like there's an implied 408 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: attraction there, and there was never really like a philly 409 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: sustained like relationship with them, Like it doesn't really go 410 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 1: from their muppet wise, but this brief implied relationship. Like 411 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: of course there's you know, Argus the Gargyle, like he 412 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: he was very much into her for a while from 413 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: Muppets Tonight, like that was a whole thing. Now, of course, 414 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: there are many love affairs with guests on the O G. 415 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: Muppet Show. I mean, you've got Peter Seller's, Rudolph Nourriyev, 416 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: Dudley Moore. Then of course, like Muppet Tonight, you've got 417 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: Pierce Brosnan. Oh my goodness, park Parkinson. So Michael Parkinson, 418 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: he was this very big deal back in the day. 419 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: He was chat show host. Okay, so the Muppets come on, 420 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: So first he Kermet comes on, and like when he's 421 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: chatting to Kermit, he like publicly like announces his adoration 422 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,959 Speaker 1: live on his own show for miss Piggy. And then 423 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: when Piggy comes out, they're basically so into each other. 424 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 1: The only thing they're not doing is like rubbing, you know, 425 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: I feel at this point now of course I'm going 426 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: toness John Ridder, was it John Ritterer and someone else? 427 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: They were like fighting for her affections because of course 428 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 1: you would, She's Miss Piggy. Josh Grobin was so written 429 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: to her for a while, but then he kept messing 430 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: up the show because of his ego, and so they 431 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: had to like really make them break up by boosting 432 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: and feeding Miss Piggy's ego to like out ego Josh Grobin, 433 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: which is I mean a wild feat you know what 434 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 1: I mean? Oh godness? Who else did she date? She 435 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: was on several dates with Tay Diggs. They had a 436 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: thing for a while. Now in the pilot of was 437 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: It the Muppets? Like twenty fifteen show, Piggy had been 438 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: dating like the co star of this movie she was doing. 439 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: It was a civil war movie with to for Grace, right, 440 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: so TMZ, you know the gossip rag they dubbed their 441 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,719 Speaker 1: celebrity name Taufiggy. It's so cute like so her and 442 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: Toe for Grace they were just like dating for a while. 443 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:48,959 Speaker 1: Now after this, she's she's kind of into your of course, 444 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: Nathan Fillian, so effctively she's filming a spot for you know, 445 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: the twenty fifteen show, and she loses her concentration because 446 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 1: she is distracted by Nathan Fillian's dairyer. Right, so she 447 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: has this like like thing, and it's even on Facebook. 448 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: They're like, I looks think Miss Piggy might have a 449 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: love interest. And so in the very next TV spot, 450 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: Kermit catches Nathan philly in doing the walk up shame 451 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 1: from Miss Peggy's trailer, Right, that's oh my goodness the drama. 452 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: So in twenty eighteen, Piggy is involved in this charity 453 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 1: event called stand Up for Cancer or stand Up to Cancer, 454 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: I'll stand up for Cancer. So basically it's a bunch 455 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,479 Speaker 1: of stand up comedians. They do a lot of comedy 456 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: and they're doing it to raise money for cancer charities. Now, 457 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: her and one of the hosts, Jack Whitehall, they they 458 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: get into an occasion because they have to get they 459 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: have to get in the same dressing room and they 460 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: have to share it. And of course, of course one 461 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: thinks they're a bigger star on the other, and they 462 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: get into an arm wrestle and then of course their 463 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: eyes locked, don't they, And then before you know it, 464 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 1: they are so like they realize there's an attraction there, 465 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,320 Speaker 1: and of course he ends up asking her out for 466 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: a drink. Now what happens after that, we don't know, 467 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: Like she's never spoken about it publicly, and I just 468 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: feel like maybe it wasn't as interesting her fun or 469 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:28,240 Speaker 1: good for her, you know what I mean. So, uh, 470 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: miss Peggy, you know, accepts an invitation to go to 471 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 1: the Game Awards with Jeff Kayley, and he thanks her 472 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 1: for accepting his invitation, and she's like, of course, because 473 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,760 Speaker 1: she would never turn one down after what they did 474 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: in Bora Bora. Right now, he gets uncomfortable. He's like, 475 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: she's rubbing his chest and stuff, but that's mainly because 476 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 1: his mother was there. So that's not great. Okay, now 477 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back. I got to talk about this. 478 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: I got to talk about this because this is so 479 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: important to me. Tim Curry, Okay, So he played long 480 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: John Silver in the Muppet Treasure Island, again, one of 481 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,800 Speaker 1: the best Muppet movies ever to have been made in 482 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:20,320 Speaker 1: the history of movies, and so he often talked about, 483 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 1: you know, he and Piggy would rehearse together and play 484 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 1: lines off of one another, and this would grow into 485 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:33,280 Speaker 1: this tour affair and they had a relationship at least 486 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 1: through the filming of the movie. Now, some people say 487 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:41,799 Speaker 1: that these sort of boiler pop relationships happen when people 488 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: are in close proximity one another, and it's very intense, 489 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 1: and that's why people who are in movies together end 490 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 1: up dating. So her and Tim Curry, they were together 491 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,319 Speaker 1: for a while and then he made a very stupid joke, 492 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,959 Speaker 1: an offhand joke about bacon or pork or something, and 493 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: of Piggy is not going to stand for that, okay, 494 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,359 Speaker 1: because of who she is, And to this day, Tim 495 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 1: Curry says that Miss Piggy is the one that got away. Now, 496 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:19,799 Speaker 1: the thing about Piggy's life, her romantic history, and her 497 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 1: relationship with Kermit, obviously it remained central, and it's far 498 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:28,439 Speaker 1: from exclusive or stable, and there were rumored romances and 499 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: confirmed romances with co stars, guest celebrities, and even some 500 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 1: individuals far outside the entertainment world. Some of these relationships 501 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:44,720 Speaker 1: were brief, some were intense, all were dramatic. And Piggy 502 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 1: she approached love the same way she approached everything else, fully, fearlessly, 503 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: and with a tendency towards grand gestures, lavish gifts, public declarations, 504 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: sudden breakups and always all is always the expectation of devotion. 505 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 1: Her relationship with Kermit, however, existent in a constant state 506 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:21,840 Speaker 1: of flux, together, not together, almost engaged, engaged, married, not married, 507 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 1: you know, definitely arguing, and through it all there was 508 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: something undeniably real beneath the theatrics. They challenged each other, 509 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 1: frustrated each other, grounded and unbalanced each other. Their story 510 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,840 Speaker 1: became a narrative in its own right, unfolding in front 511 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:47,800 Speaker 1: of audiences who just couldn't look away, even most recently, 512 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:52,840 Speaker 1: when you know he was sharing a boat with Sabrina Carpenter, 513 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: like Miss Piggy didn't appreciate that. Although space Sabrina Carpenter 514 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,919 Speaker 1: wouldn't not try and steal Miss Piggy's man because she 515 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: loves Miss Piggy too much. She respects Miss Piggy too much, 516 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 1: like she would never try and hurt her relationship this way. 517 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 1: As her fame grew, Miss Piggy cultivated high fashion and 518 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 1: celebrity culture again. She claims to have studied at the 519 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:33,400 Speaker 1: Paris School of Fashion, thus reinforcing her association with couture 520 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: and design, although she has never publicly verified details such 521 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:42,800 Speaker 1: as dates, of attendance or her age. She has consistently 522 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,880 Speaker 1: refused to disclose her birth date, as is her right. 523 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 1: I'm sorry again, ageist world, we do not ask a 524 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:57,279 Speaker 1: woman her age be fucking respectful to Miss Piggy, so 525 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 1: she does. I can only describe as all these amazing 526 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:06,360 Speaker 1: things right. She ends up because during the height of 527 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 1: her career in the late twentieth century, she expanded beyond 528 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:15,880 Speaker 1: television into a broader brand. She authored books, appeared in films, 529 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:20,120 Speaker 1: and became a regular presence in interviews and media appearances. 530 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,319 Speaker 1: Her autobiography and related to publications present a version of 531 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:30,360 Speaker 1: her life that blends verifiable events with deliberate embellishment, reinforcing 532 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,799 Speaker 1: her carefully constructed identity. You know who else did that? 533 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 1: Lola monte Is, and we love her for it, although 534 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 1: I mean, Miss Piggy's probably the person to be like. 535 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:42,759 Speaker 1: I went to spend for two weeks and now I 536 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:49,680 Speaker 1: can speak Spanish Hola. So in nineteen eighty one, she 537 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:54,279 Speaker 1: publishes her autobiography, Miss Peggy's Guide to Life, which is 538 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 1: her first and most famous book. It's kind of like 539 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,840 Speaker 1: a comedic self help and lifestyle guide, and it covers 540 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 1: things like beauty, romance, fame, self confidence Now. It is 541 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 1: like there's no ghostwriter on this. You can tell because 542 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,720 Speaker 1: it is completely written in her own voice. It's bold, 543 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 1: it's self centered, it's funny, and it also includes anecdotes 544 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: and information about her rise to stardom and her relationship 545 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 1: with Kelmet So in the twenty first century, just so 546 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,960 Speaker 1: you know, she releases The Diva Code. That's two thousand 547 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:36,239 Speaker 1: and six, and this is like a follow up guidebook 548 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:40,239 Speaker 1: for modern audiences because she grows right, she rolls with 549 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 1: the times, and this focuses on empowerment, personal branding, and 550 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:52,120 Speaker 1: in her confidence piggy style. It's structured around codes or 551 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:56,400 Speaker 1: rules for living like a diva. Now. It is really 552 00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:01,319 Speaker 1: really self aware, which is hilarious. It's wonderful that she 553 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 1: has this level of understanding about herself. So I'm gonna 554 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,359 Speaker 1: go back in time again now. So in nineteen ninety eight, 555 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 1: she launches her own perfume More, a product that encapsulated 556 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:22,840 Speaker 1: her personal brand. It's luxurious, it's self referential, and centered 557 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:28,120 Speaker 1: on the idea of self admiration. The launch was accompanied 558 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:32,239 Speaker 1: by promotional appearances that treated the fragrance as an extension 559 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:36,319 Speaker 1: of her persona rather than a typical commercial product. Now, 560 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 1: this is a wonderful thing, like the concept of self admiration, 561 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,239 Speaker 1: you know, because in Ireland there's a thing called there's 562 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,759 Speaker 1: no praise like self praise. And they don't like, you 563 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,680 Speaker 1: shouldn't be confident, you shouldn't be proud of yourself, you 564 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,920 Speaker 1: shouldn't be great, right, and Miss Piggy exudes all those things, 565 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,920 Speaker 1: and I think like there are certain aspects of her 566 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,719 Speaker 1: personality that we could all be better by being a 567 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:09,000 Speaker 1: little bit more like piggyfied, you know. But throughout her career, 568 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,600 Speaker 1: Miss Piggy has maintained a dual identity, both a performer 569 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,400 Speaker 1: with an ensemble and an end of a Joe celebrity figure. 570 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:22,800 Speaker 1: Her work with the Muppets continued through various television revivals, films, 571 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:27,680 Speaker 1: and specials produced under organizations such as the Walt Disney Company, 572 00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,920 Speaker 1: which later became the primary distributor of Muppet productions. Okay, 573 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:39,400 Speaker 1: Her personality has remained consistent in its key traits. She's assertive, 574 00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,520 Speaker 1: she has a strong sense of self worth, and a 575 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:47,680 Speaker 1: focus on image and presentation. At the same time, her 576 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:53,440 Speaker 1: portrayal has evolved to include greater self awareness, often acknowledging 577 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,919 Speaker 1: the constructed nature of her public identity. Again, she's so 578 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:02,920 Speaker 1: self aware. Miss Piggy considers herself a dramatic actress and 579 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:07,080 Speaker 1: a great singer. Okay, but she does have other talents too, 580 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:14,200 Speaker 1: apart from of course, karate chopping, so like in there 581 00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:15,680 Speaker 1: was one episode of The Muppet Show I think it 582 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,920 Speaker 1: was Kay Ballard's one, it was proven that Miss Piggy 583 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:25,279 Speaker 1: can play like instruments, including the trumpet and the kazoo, 584 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:31,120 Speaker 1: and she proved to be great at bending metal bars. 585 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,040 Speaker 1: Like in the Great Muppet Caper she bent back the 586 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,560 Speaker 1: jail bars and then the Muppets take Manhattan she was 587 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:43,920 Speaker 1: able to bend a metal bar too, so like Also 588 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 1: in addition, furthermore, also shown in the Great Muppet Caper, 589 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:54,239 Speaker 1: Miss Piggy had the ability to model. Of course, she 590 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:58,080 Speaker 1: could tap dance, she could swim, she could drive a truck. 591 00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:59,879 Speaker 1: You know you need a special license for that, by 592 00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:04,040 Speaker 1: the right. She could drive a truck and ride a motorcycle. 593 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,600 Speaker 1: And my favorite thing ever about her is the fact 594 00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:15,040 Speaker 1: that Rolf. Of course, Rolf, who is just the closest 595 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:20,520 Speaker 1: personality wise to the wonderful creator Jim Henson. I'm sure 596 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,800 Speaker 1: you've heard of from now. Rolf is very much part 597 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:31,680 Speaker 1: of that, and he said that Miss Piggy. No one 598 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:38,319 Speaker 1: can make an entrance quite like Miss Piggy. By the 599 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,319 Speaker 1: height of her career, Miss Piggy was no longer just 600 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:48,840 Speaker 1: a performer. She was a brand, fashion lines, interviews, magazine covers, 601 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:54,640 Speaker 1: appearances that blurred the line between character and celebrity. She 602 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:59,839 Speaker 1: cultivated an identity that was both self aware and unapologetically extravagant. 603 00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,200 Speaker 1: She speaks about or she spoke about. No, she does 604 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:08,719 Speaker 1: speak about self worth, okay, but always, of course in 605 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:15,720 Speaker 1: her very very own, specific tone, very unique. Piggy's unique 606 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,920 Speaker 1: way to share self worth is is something to be admired, 607 00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:24,520 Speaker 1: and confidence in Piggy's world was not something to be earned. 608 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,840 Speaker 1: It was something to be declared. And while critics sometimes 609 00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:34,160 Speaker 1: dismissed her as excessive, others recognize something deeper. She had 610 00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:39,360 Speaker 1: taken a world that often sidelines bold personalities, especially those 611 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,680 Speaker 1: who don't fit into traditional molds, especially those who don't 612 00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,839 Speaker 1: physically fit into those molds, and she forced it to 613 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:51,920 Speaker 1: make space for her. Miss Piggy's legacy, I'm getting emotional now. 614 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:58,400 Speaker 1: Miss Piggy's legacy lies in her distinctiveness. She's neither a 615 00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:02,879 Speaker 1: traditional comedic character ignor she is straightforward parody. Instead, she 616 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:07,239 Speaker 1: represents a blend of satire and sincerity, of figure who 617 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:12,600 Speaker 1: simultaneously embodies and critique celebrity culture, pauty, standards, and ambition. 618 00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,800 Speaker 1: We could always, we should always try and be a 619 00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,160 Speaker 1: little bit more like Miss Piggy, Like let's get piggied, 620 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:25,480 Speaker 1: you know, God, I hope that's not a horrible sex 621 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:32,839 Speaker 1: term that I'm too old to understand. From her origins 622 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:38,440 Speaker 1: above a butcher shop to international recognition, her trajectory reflects 623 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:44,000 Speaker 1: a consistent pattern using performance, reinvention, and determination to move 624 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:48,120 Speaker 1: beyond her circumstances. While many details of her life remain 625 00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:52,480 Speaker 1: selectively disclosed or stylized, the broader outline is clear. She 626 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,880 Speaker 1: built her identity deliberately, and she has maintained control over 627 00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:02,000 Speaker 1: its presentation throughout her career. That balance between fact and 628 00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,759 Speaker 1: performance remains central to understanding Miss Piggy, not just as 629 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,120 Speaker 1: a character, but as a constructed public figure whose story 630 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:13,920 Speaker 1: continues to evolve. If there's one thing to take from 631 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:18,160 Speaker 1: Miss Piggy's life, it is this she never wanted to 632 00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:23,000 Speaker 1: be chosen, not as a child not as a struggling performer, 633 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,440 Speaker 1: not even at the height of her fame. She decided 634 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,160 Speaker 1: who she was, and she then she insisted the world 635 00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:35,200 Speaker 1: degree was she difficult apps a fucking lute way, complicated, 636 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:42,080 Speaker 1: without question, but also unforgettable And in the end that 637 00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,800 Speaker 1: may be the only thing she ever truly cared about. 638 00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,640 Speaker 1: And I'm not going to say. And so it ends 639 00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,319 Speaker 1: the story of Miss Piggy because it's still going and 640 00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,200 Speaker 1: will it continue forever? Will it continue for a little while. 641 00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,719 Speaker 1: We don't have the answer, and I certainly don't have 642 00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,040 Speaker 1: the ac So just now, I don't know. Some of 643 00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,080 Speaker 1: you might be thinking, what a strange way to end 644 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:11,960 Speaker 1: Women's History Month, And I promised you something light and fluffy, 645 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,879 Speaker 1: and I actually don't think Miss Piggy's life was that. 646 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:23,880 Speaker 1: Like we can find the comedy in the tragedy. We can, 647 00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:29,120 Speaker 1: and it's that gallows humor which allows a lot of 648 00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:38,240 Speaker 1: us to continue and live. And this is where whimsy 649 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,320 Speaker 1: comes in. I'm going to talk about whimsy for a second, 650 00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,920 Speaker 1: because I've seen a lot of discussions as of late 651 00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,759 Speaker 1: about whimsy and how you know, oh, there's no more 652 00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,759 Speaker 1: whimsy in the world, and there are like I'm not 653 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,440 Speaker 1: saying it's a generational divide, because I've seen like gen 654 00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,000 Speaker 1: Z finding gen Z and like millennials versus gen Z, 655 00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:01,520 Speaker 1: and it's like how the younger generation lead whimsy away, 656 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:06,680 Speaker 1: and the reason they don't see whimsy is that it's manufactured, 657 00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,239 Speaker 1: and that's why they don't feel it. You know. I 658 00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,840 Speaker 1: think I mentioned this before in a previous episode. But 659 00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:17,160 Speaker 1: I was in just like a shop, a store, and 660 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:22,000 Speaker 1: I was looking at pajamas because I keep buying myself pajamas. 661 00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,600 Speaker 1: I have an issue, clearly, and I was standing there 662 00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,840 Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't know. I think I 663 00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,600 Speaker 1: was still in like my ridiculously wrong raincoat. I was 664 00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:36,640 Speaker 1: in something silly because it was wet, but my hair 665 00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:41,719 Speaker 1: was up and curled and doing its thing and pink, 666 00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:43,080 Speaker 1: I think it was pink at the time. And I 667 00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:48,320 Speaker 1: was lifting something and someone walked past me and chatting 668 00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,080 Speaker 1: to their friend and said, oh, she looks like one 669 00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,879 Speaker 1: of those girls who's like romanticize your life. And first 670 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,239 Speaker 1: of all, yes, fuck you. I love whimsy. I love 671 00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:05,520 Speaker 1: quirk like I love sort of vintage food art. In 672 00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:09,640 Speaker 1: my kitchen, for example, I have a watercolor painting of 673 00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,279 Speaker 1: an egg. It's just a regular egg. It's a chicken egg, 674 00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:16,160 Speaker 1: just a regular brown egg. Now there was an option 675 00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:17,600 Speaker 1: to buy a blue egg, but I was like, why 676 00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,200 Speaker 1: would I buy a duck egg? Like, no, don't. I 677 00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,560 Speaker 1: don't vibe with that. Give me the chicken egg. I 678 00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:26,920 Speaker 1: don't like duck eggs. But like I have, like I 679 00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,760 Speaker 1: have art on my wall which is like espresso yourself, 680 00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:32,520 Speaker 1: and it's a little espresso cup but it looks like 681 00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:39,359 Speaker 1: sort of like yeah, that's sort of vintage, a like 682 00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,600 Speaker 1: diner art. And I've got fancy a kappa, which is 683 00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,239 Speaker 1: a cup of tea doing the same thing. And I 684 00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:50,319 Speaker 1: love those sort of bendy and the ink machine like 685 00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,279 Speaker 1: beddy boop, like all those original kind of styles. I 686 00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:57,000 Speaker 1: love that, but I love that like kitchen related for 687 00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:02,520 Speaker 1: my kitchen, I actually have like a foil I have 688 00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:07,600 Speaker 1: a foile print of what is the charge eating a meal? 689 00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,920 Speaker 1: A succulent Chinese meal, because I love food related things 690 00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,040 Speaker 1: in a kitchen. I think it's really fun. And I 691 00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,239 Speaker 1: do believe in whimsay and I do believe in just 692 00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,160 Speaker 1: living my life. Like when I go on my next holiday, 693 00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,480 Speaker 1: like I'm going to like a singing dancing basketball game, 694 00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,919 Speaker 1: I'm going to like a murder who wrote thing. I'm 695 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,239 Speaker 1: hoping to go to the library tarpets. If anyone in 696 00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,960 Speaker 1: LA wants to go with me to the labrary at Tarpets, 697 00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:38,120 Speaker 1: let's do it, babe. Yeah. Like, there's a lot of 698 00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,600 Speaker 1: stuff that I'm just gonna go do because I need 699 00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:49,680 Speaker 1: to just have a moment where I love life for 700 00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,799 Speaker 1: the sake of loving it. But I also have to 701 00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,840 Speaker 1: remember to film things. I'm really bad at not filming 702 00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,160 Speaker 1: things when I travel, or I'll film it and then 703 00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,520 Speaker 1: never edit it and put it together. So you might 704 00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:02,319 Speaker 1: see like last year travel vlog show up on like 705 00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:06,960 Speaker 1: YouTube or something, and we'll see how that goes. But yeah, 706 00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,279 Speaker 1: I went off on a big grant about the lack 707 00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,760 Speaker 1: of whimsy in the world, and I think Miss Piggy 708 00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:18,120 Speaker 1: has whimsy and I think she uses it is part 709 00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:22,799 Speaker 1: of her persona, because why the fuck not, Okay, if 710 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,320 Speaker 1: you've lived through all this shit and then you're still 711 00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:30,759 Speaker 1: working and coming out and doing your best, like hell yes, 712 00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,600 Speaker 1: and to deal with her confidence. I love it so much. 713 00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,719 Speaker 1: Like Miss Piggy is an idol. I don't care what 714 00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,480 Speaker 1: anyone says. She's an edel and I love her and 715 00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:44,920 Speaker 1: with that I have to do recommendation time. Obviously, I'm 716 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:51,239 Speaker 1: gonna recommend Miss Piggy's book because, of course, although you 717 00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,360 Speaker 1: know what I think. Yeah, the Diva Code. You should 718 00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,359 Speaker 1: all read The Diva Code by Miss Piggy that you're 719 00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:02,600 Speaker 1: reading assignment for watching a Treasure Island obviously because it's amazing. 720 00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:08,520 Speaker 1: And for listening, oh oh, what will you listen to? 721 00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,560 Speaker 1: You know what you should listen to is sweet transvestite 722 00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,160 Speaker 1: from a Muppet a muppet? No from a Rocky Horror 723 00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:23,319 Speaker 1: picture show? Have the Muppets ever done Rocky Horror? Have they? 724 00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,720 Speaker 1: They should if they haven't, because I feel like they'd 725 00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:31,960 Speaker 1: have a great time. But anyway, with that, I shall 726 00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:37,880 Speaker 1: bid you adieu, adios au revoir whit is then my 727 00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:39,000 Speaker 1: friends by