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Speaker 4: Pillows and Pots.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's complaining about how early he had the wing

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Speaker 5: with Kendra goes on with the tune on the third

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Speaker 5: A little of.

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Speaker 6: Them because I was driving in.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, we're just desperately trying to set Barth.

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Speaker 5: Up with anyone tell me about it, literally, anyone. Are

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Speaker 5: you feeling, ladies all right?

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Speaker 4: Would you say the mood was festive after day after Christmas?

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Speaker 5: This free sushi definitely helped. Okay, the mood was very high.

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Speaker 5: The players first, Oh, I thought you were talking about us. Oh,

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Speaker 5: I'll guess we matter a lot.

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Speaker 4: We're all dying to know if you've got the Lego

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Speaker 4: Orcah dues.

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Speaker 7: No oh, I got slippers, two button down shirts pot

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Speaker 7: as Alex mentioned as well, love everything but toys. I'm

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Speaker 7: gonna I'm gonna take the hook though, I'm gonna take Denver.

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Speaker 7: I'll take that extra half point. I think it's a

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Speaker 7: close one, Mike.

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Speaker 4: the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday, New Year's Eve here

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Speaker 4: at je Let's Stadium. And uh, I don't know if

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Speaker 4: we want to talk about that last game, which it's Deuce,

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Speaker 4: it's even, it's Paul, it's me, it's Matt Nabooth forty

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Speaker 4: to seven loss to the Chargers. Not good, not good.

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Speaker 6: No, yeah, nothing good.

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Speaker 4: Yeah at home, just just just terrible. So I don't know,

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Speaker 4: I think maybe we turn the page from that game, because,

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Speaker 4: as Gerard said afterwards, there's nothing good to be taken

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Speaker 7: So col Stranger snaps at center.

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Speaker 4: Except for that. Maybe yep, but you know, maybe we

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Speaker 4: and the ramifications of winning versus losing playing Drake May

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Speaker 4: versus not playing Drake May. What do you guys think?

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Speaker 4: I don't know, unless there's something you want to get

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Speaker 6: People want to call in about the specific things about

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Speaker 6: the game, certainly we can go back to them. But

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Speaker 6: I think that's the number one storyline right now is

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Speaker 6: know people have strong feelings about it. The number the

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Speaker 6: number one pick is more important, and keeping Drake May

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Speaker 5: I have taken that the number one story, but it's

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Speaker 4: Well yeah, what would you say, is the number one

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Speaker 6: Probably, So we're not going to know about that until

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Speaker 6: next week.

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Speaker 4: We'll take first things first.

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Speaker 6: That is what you were talking about.

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Speaker 4: What happens after this game?

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Speaker 5: What happens Monday morning?

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Speaker 5: I just think the biggest thing with this Chargers game,

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Speaker 5: laying an egg on Sunday, like if you were just

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Speaker 4: Was just simply outplayed, out coached or was there just

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Speaker 5: give up forty points, you know, and that there's really

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's no complimentary football.

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Speaker 7: they're bad across the board. I mean every single important

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Speaker 6: So all of that is absolutely true. The thing that

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Speaker 6: I mean, when four games last year they have three

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Speaker 6: game that had like the pick six is, Yeah, that

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Speaker 4: Yep, yep.

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Speaker 6: You know, like this was just it was dominance.

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Speaker 4: You are just outmatched.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's you know the seven times in a row.

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Speaker 5: Same thing happened against the Rams. The Rams, I think

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Speaker 5: just keep on watching the film on offense, and I'm like,

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Speaker 5: I mean, they just don't really have players, Like what

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Speaker 4: And that's the thing. Like after the game on our

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Speaker 4: I this is who they are. We're not a good team.

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Speaker 4: And when you play against a Chargers team had a

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Speaker 4: lot of work to do in the offseason. In that game,

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Speaker 6: I guess I was just a little surprised with how

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Speaker 6: could sort of understand it. I think the charge are good.

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Speaker 6: I think everything you said about Hardwall is absolutely true.

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Speaker 6: I think he's a good coach. But they they made

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Speaker 6: the Chargers look like a Super Bowl contender in that game,

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Speaker 6: and I don't think that's what that team is yet.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's a season high in points

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Speaker 6: They were season high in a lot of categories. First downs, yards, points.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean they came in nineteenth in the league

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Speaker 6: And lately their offense has been like seventeen seventeen seventeen.

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Speaker 6: They had the thirty i think thirty four against the

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Speaker 4: Did you cob a Harbaugh against a rookie coach?

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Speaker 6: But har was an offensive coach.

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Speaker 4: Nobody he's a coach. He's a good coach.

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Speaker 3: Yes it is.

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Speaker 7: Do you think that the may injury threw things off though,

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Speaker 6: You know maybe, but they went three and out on

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Speaker 5: for him. I thought, you know, didn't have the turnovers

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's not that's taking fifteen yard sacks on

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Speaker 5: fourth and two. It is not typical of Drake may.

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Speaker 5: So I thought that he was a little overwhelmed by

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Speaker 4: Okay, so do you play May this week?

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Speaker 6: You have takes? Yeah, why don't you lead us off

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Speaker 6: with you a take?

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Speaker 4: I say no, I say you played Joe Milton. I'm

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Speaker 4: very surprised for a lot of reasons. Yes, I want

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Speaker 4: May to get every rep he can, but in this

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Speaker 4: It's like what you know, like, let's just say he

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Speaker 4: Like I don't know.

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Speaker 4: But now we've got to this point where you do

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Speaker 6: I mean they've already talked about Josh Allen's going to start.

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Speaker 4: Only just to keep the record, just to keep his street. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So I don't even know how much you can get

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Speaker 5: Yeah, if you want to treat it like a preseason

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying oh yeah, I'm not saying that either.

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Speaker 6: But I don't I don't get that mentality.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but I think there's a lot to lose and

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Speaker 5: Like I really don't care as much about the number

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Speaker 5: something like that, like now to forget about twenty twenty five. Also,

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I just like Paul's point about going against Bill's

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Speaker 6: Know it's going to be like, well, yeah, he won

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Speaker 4: Game if he loses that game.

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Speaker 6: I don't put any more stock in that either. I know,

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Speaker 4: So this is just nothing to get.

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Speaker 6: We just taped all access in one of the elements

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Speaker 6: It's a it's a tricky needle to try to thread.

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Speaker 6: Like maybe you want to go out play well, win

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Speaker 6: the game, keep make sure that Drake may is healthy,

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Speaker 6: and then somehow like the Giants and these other teams

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Speaker 4: And you still get the first pack and.

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Speaker 6: You still get the first pick. So like that's a

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Speaker 4: Is the first pick that important?

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Speaker 6: I don't really think so. I think Evan feels the same.

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Speaker 6: Like I don't know, you guys, can I get it.

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Speaker 6: It's more valuable to have the one in that way,

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Speaker 6: if someone at like three or four feels like they

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Speaker 4: I just the worst case they get their fourth.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think if they win and other teams win,

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Speaker 6: I lose, then they go.

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Speaker 4: I'm talking about all the worst things happen. The worst

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Speaker 6: That's how I understand it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think it's the end all be all

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Speaker 5: I'll say, and if I'm wrong, like in April, I'm wrong,

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Speaker 5: But this is not a quarterback draft. I keep on

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Speaker 5: the marketing campaign will start for him with Dion and

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Speaker 5: he'll get pumped up to a number one overall pick.

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Speaker 5: And maybe that happens, but you're not getting a king's

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Speaker 4: Well, that's the thing, you know, Like I know, I've heard,

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Speaker 4: you know a lot of fans saying, no, you got

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Speaker 4: a trade down. You got to trade down, keep that

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Speaker 4: you can get in a trade down. But I think

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Speaker 5: No, and Dan Bruger from the Athletic I was just

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Speaker 5: looking at that because if you don't want to take

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Speaker 5: like Shador Sanders would be quarterback seven and last year's

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Speaker 5: he also said that he'd be shocked if they got,

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Speaker 5: you know, a Bears like package for the number one

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Speaker 5: it doesn't make a difference if you pick your guy

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Speaker 6: Obviously, he had quotes from you know, obviously scouts, anonymous scouts,

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Speaker 4: Value, cam Ward and shaudor right.

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Speaker 6: But they're late first round value. And another guy said

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Speaker 6: I can't really envision a team at like six or

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Speaker 6: If that's how they thought of.

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Speaker 4: Do you think the whole Jets Giants thing has any

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Speaker 7: I mean, I hope so, because I mean I think

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Speaker 7: But is there any other choice? If you can't trade

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Speaker 4: I would take Travis Hunter at one. But that's my

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Speaker 7: Who else would be worthy of that?

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Speaker 6: If you were Freddy Spring takes Tim like that.

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Speaker 5: If you're absolutely stuck at one, Yeah, I take Travis Hunting. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I don't love it, right, but I mean, I guess

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Speaker 5: you kind of have to.

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Speaker 6: Think he's the best player in the draft.

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Speaker 4: Player in the draft. Yeah, take him. Figure it out.

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Speaker 4: You get him in here and figure it out.

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Speaker 5: I I don't think that he's It's not who I

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Speaker 4: You want a blue chip the number one.

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Speaker 5: Well, that's my biggest fear of taking one of these

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Speaker 5: well what are you going to do? Like, at least

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Speaker 5: if you take the swing on Travis Hunter, if it hits,

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Speaker 5: he's going to be a generational player for you. I

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00:20:06,234 --> 00:20:07,833
Speaker 5: don't know if these tackles are so so.

439
00:20:08,593 --> 00:20:12,113
Speaker 4: Getting back to my question, do you think that the

440
00:20:12,234 --> 00:20:18,033
Speaker 4: Jets Giants thing could raise the stock of a quarterback,

441
00:20:18,073 --> 00:20:20,793
Speaker 4: whether it's Ward or Sanders.

442
00:20:22,394 --> 00:20:24,754
Speaker 7: I think so, I mean possible last year. I mean

443
00:20:24,793 --> 00:20:27,914
Speaker 7: there was there were some surprises last year guys going

444
00:20:27,994 --> 00:20:29,994
Speaker 7: higher than I mean, I I just wouldn't roll it out.

445
00:20:29,994 --> 00:20:31,754
Speaker 7: I just my question though, was just would it be

446
00:20:31,793 --> 00:20:34,313
Speaker 7: easier if you're at like three or four to trade

447
00:20:34,353 --> 00:20:36,874
Speaker 7: down and get some picks rather than one? Like what's

448
00:20:36,914 --> 00:20:40,513
Speaker 7: easier to trade this year? One or three? You know,

449
00:20:40,674 --> 00:20:41,434
Speaker 7: it doesn't matter.

450
00:20:41,714 --> 00:20:42,474
Speaker 4: I don't know if it matters.

451
00:20:42,714 --> 00:20:44,754
Speaker 5: I think you're gonna have the same value at one

452
00:20:44,793 --> 00:20:47,154
Speaker 5: as you in other years you might have had at three.

453
00:20:47,114 --> 00:20:49,113
Speaker 4: You know. So what I'm trying to lead to is,

454
00:20:49,353 --> 00:20:51,113
Speaker 4: I know, I know Paul is going to jump ugly

455
00:20:51,154 --> 00:20:51,954
Speaker 4: on me here. No.

456
00:20:52,033 --> 00:20:54,873
Speaker 6: I was just watching but commercial.

457
00:20:55,194 --> 00:21:01,513
Speaker 4: But you know, trade if you're the Patriots and if

458
00:21:01,553 --> 00:21:04,594
Speaker 4: you're the Jets, Jets want to jump over the Giants

459
00:21:04,634 --> 00:21:07,394
Speaker 4: because they want to get a quarterback. This is the scenario.

460
00:21:08,553 --> 00:21:13,194
Speaker 4: Would you if you're the Jets, offer Garrett Wilson, who's disgruntled,

461
00:21:13,474 --> 00:21:17,194
Speaker 4: and Quinn Williams and a third round pick, you don't

462
00:21:17,194 --> 00:21:20,193
Speaker 4: give up a first for the Patriots first. And if

463
00:21:20,234 --> 00:21:22,353
Speaker 4: you're the Patriots, would you do that? Where were the

464
00:21:22,434 --> 00:21:25,793
Speaker 4: Jets six or seven?

465
00:21:25,793 --> 00:21:28,674
Speaker 6: I wouldn't give up that much to move up four, five, five,

466
00:21:29,474 --> 00:21:30,073
Speaker 6: six spots.

467
00:21:30,194 --> 00:21:31,634
Speaker 4: You're not giving up your first round pick.

468
00:21:31,714 --> 00:21:33,834
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I'm giving up two of my best players, right,

469
00:21:33,874 --> 00:21:37,154
Speaker 6: but they're better than first round, especially Wilson who's young.

470
00:21:37,313 --> 00:21:38,674
Speaker 4: I knew you were going to do that, So think

471
00:21:38,674 --> 00:21:41,153
Speaker 4: about it, though, why are the Patriots doing this? Hold on?

472
00:21:41,273 --> 00:21:44,754
Speaker 4: So ah? So hold on now from the Jets perspective,

473
00:21:45,313 --> 00:21:48,434
Speaker 4: you get your quarterback, you keep your first round pick,

474
00:21:48,513 --> 00:21:51,673
Speaker 4: so I can replace one of Theoretically, I replaced one

475
00:21:51,674 --> 00:21:55,754
Speaker 4: of the guys I just gave up because I'm keeping

476
00:21:55,793 --> 00:21:56,714
Speaker 4: my first round pick.

477
00:21:57,073 --> 00:21:58,713
Speaker 6: No, not misdraft, You're not.

478
00:21:58,994 --> 00:21:59,353
Speaker 5: Why not?

479
00:21:59,434 --> 00:21:59,793
Speaker 4: Why not?

480
00:21:59,914 --> 00:22:02,313
Speaker 6: Because you're not replacing Quentin Williams and Garrett Wilson with

481
00:22:02,434 --> 00:22:03,874
Speaker 6: guys that people think aren't that good.

482
00:22:04,154 --> 00:22:06,713
Speaker 5: Well, I think Mason Graham and Ted McMillan are replacing them.

483
00:22:06,754 --> 00:22:08,513
Speaker 5: I don't know if it's on the same exact level.

484
00:22:08,793 --> 00:22:10,714
Speaker 6: I wouldn't. I mean, I just wouldn't do it. Okay,

485
00:22:10,754 --> 00:22:13,033
Speaker 6: So you wouldn't do that, Jets, I wouldn't do it. Now,

486
00:22:13,154 --> 00:22:16,433
Speaker 6: that's what I'm talking about Sanders. Are you kidding me?

487
00:22:18,073 --> 00:22:20,314
Speaker 5: Have a first round pick? Why would the Patriots do that?

488
00:22:21,234 --> 00:22:25,793
Speaker 6: Well, then it's an extra silly trade. If I wouldn't

489
00:22:25,793 --> 00:22:27,914
Speaker 6: even consider it. If I were the Jets, how.

490
00:22:27,833 --> 00:22:28,554
Speaker 5: Would the Patriots?

491
00:22:28,593 --> 00:22:29,474
Speaker 4: He wouldn't consider it.

492
00:22:29,474 --> 00:22:32,674
Speaker 6: If you're not gonna so it's not going to happen,

493
00:22:32,954 --> 00:22:33,913
Speaker 6: I would consider it.

494
00:22:34,793 --> 00:22:37,634
Speaker 4: So if you were not the if I'm the Patriots, you.

495
00:22:37,553 --> 00:22:39,874
Speaker 5: Would consider not picking in the first round this year?

496
00:22:39,954 --> 00:22:42,754
Speaker 4: Yes, because listen and hear me out. Hear me out,

497
00:22:42,793 --> 00:22:48,674
Speaker 4: I'll hear you out. Players sure fire first round players.

498
00:22:48,313 --> 00:22:49,954
Speaker 5: That neither one play left tackle.

499
00:22:50,674 --> 00:22:53,754
Speaker 4: Okay, but I'm getting listen, listen to me. I'm getting

500
00:22:53,793 --> 00:22:57,793
Speaker 4: too I'm getting too sure fire first round players. Right.

501
00:22:58,593 --> 00:23:00,473
Speaker 4: I lose my first round pick, but I pick up

502
00:23:00,513 --> 00:23:04,994
Speaker 4: a third, So now I have a second and three thirds.

503
00:23:05,313 --> 00:23:06,994
Speaker 4: Three thirds because remember we got a third.

504
00:23:07,073 --> 00:23:10,113
Speaker 6: Thirds are just like there. Okay, you're talking about thirds

505
00:23:10,154 --> 00:23:10,834
Speaker 6: like the valuable.

506
00:23:12,793 --> 00:23:15,033
Speaker 4: Pretty good players have been picked in the third round.

507
00:23:15,313 --> 00:23:17,953
Speaker 4: But I got I have my second, and I have

508
00:23:18,033 --> 00:23:21,553
Speaker 4: three thirds, and I have two new first round players

509
00:23:21,593 --> 00:23:25,113
Speaker 4: that I've added to my team. Absolutely not, absolutely not

510
00:23:25,273 --> 00:23:26,153
Speaker 4: what he wouldn't do it.

511
00:23:26,194 --> 00:23:29,234
Speaker 5: I would not do that if you're the Patriots, like

512
00:23:29,353 --> 00:23:30,674
Speaker 5: right now, you.

513
00:23:30,234 --> 00:23:34,673
Speaker 4: You needed tap players, and I've guaranteed to pick up

514
00:23:34,714 --> 00:23:35,354
Speaker 4: at least two.

515
00:23:35,833 --> 00:23:38,234
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think Quentin Williams is the just

516
00:23:38,513 --> 00:23:39,154
Speaker 5: think about it.

517
00:23:39,273 --> 00:23:41,674
Speaker 4: I don't know what bar More status is for next year.

518
00:23:42,434 --> 00:23:46,674
Speaker 4: Ke On White, maybe I'm I'm jettising him, so I

519
00:23:47,114 --> 00:23:51,873
Speaker 4: need interior lineman Williams, you know, fills the boat.

520
00:23:51,593 --> 00:23:55,914
Speaker 6: I like your ideas, I just I'm I'm just not

521
00:23:55,954 --> 00:23:58,914
Speaker 6: sure that I should do as Sanders is worth giving

522
00:23:58,994 --> 00:23:59,474
Speaker 6: up your team.

523
00:23:59,513 --> 00:23:59,994
Speaker 5: I can't believe.

524
00:24:00,033 --> 00:24:03,434
Speaker 4: Well, that's the thing. I'm I'm assuming that the Jets

525
00:24:03,474 --> 00:24:08,234
Speaker 4: Giants rivalry has up the stock of Sanders.

526
00:24:07,634 --> 00:24:10,114
Speaker 6: Like I would have done this for Jayden Daniels last

527
00:24:10,194 --> 00:24:12,674
Speaker 6: year or Drake May last year. If I were the Jets,

528
00:24:12,674 --> 00:24:15,113
Speaker 6: I would I would strongly consider doing that. I just

529
00:24:15,154 --> 00:24:18,033
Speaker 6: don't think these guys are worth doing that for. Thus

530
00:24:18,474 --> 00:24:20,994
Speaker 6: me not necessarily being in love with the number one

531
00:24:21,033 --> 00:24:22,994
Speaker 6: overall pack, right, I don't think there's going to be

532
00:24:22,994 --> 00:24:23,954
Speaker 6: the same amount of value.

533
00:24:24,073 --> 00:24:27,754
Speaker 4: Obviously, if neither the Jets or Giants think highly of

534
00:24:27,954 --> 00:24:31,194
Speaker 4: either of these quarterbacks, the whole thing is moved because

535
00:24:31,234 --> 00:24:37,353
Speaker 4: it it it hinges on you know, the Jets loving

536
00:24:37,434 --> 00:24:41,393
Speaker 4: Sanders and believing that the Giants do too, and needing

537
00:24:41,434 --> 00:24:42,873
Speaker 4: to get up over us to get it.

538
00:24:43,033 --> 00:24:45,473
Speaker 6: And now I think you could convince yourself, like if

539
00:24:45,553 --> 00:24:48,833
Speaker 6: you're sitting at seven and Shadua Sanders falls to seven, Like,

540
00:24:49,793 --> 00:24:52,513
Speaker 6: you know, I can take a wide receiver, but I

541
00:24:52,593 --> 00:24:54,313
Speaker 6: don't have anybody to throw them all. I could take

542
00:24:54,353 --> 00:24:56,874
Speaker 6: an offensive lineman. I mean, I just took an offensive

543
00:24:56,874 --> 00:24:58,633
Speaker 6: lineman last year and he really panned out. He's been

544
00:24:58,674 --> 00:25:01,673
Speaker 6: a good player for like, you know what I'm gonna take.

545
00:25:03,234 --> 00:25:05,793
Speaker 6: I'll talk myself into it. That makes sense to me.

546
00:25:05,914 --> 00:25:08,834
Speaker 6: But like trading up and losing assets for a guy

547
00:25:08,874 --> 00:25:11,394
Speaker 6: that I'm not sure about doesn't make a lot of sense.

548
00:25:11,754 --> 00:25:13,754
Speaker 6: Some of them will probably be interested in doing it.

549
00:25:13,754 --> 00:25:17,033
Speaker 6: You guys are right, someone will convince themselves. The Dion

550
00:25:17,353 --> 00:25:22,994
Speaker 6: hype train will get Shadoor Sanders, you know on everybody's mind.

551
00:25:23,313 --> 00:25:25,754
Speaker 7: I like the creativity trying to get it will create

552
00:25:25,994 --> 00:25:28,033
Speaker 7: like those I mean those that that's I think kind

553
00:25:28,033 --> 00:25:29,313
Speaker 7: of some of the moves they got to think about.

554
00:25:29,513 --> 00:25:32,914
Speaker 4: I'm worried about bar War. I'm worried about the interior

555
00:25:32,954 --> 00:25:33,113
Speaker 4: of that.

556
00:25:35,194 --> 00:25:36,073
Speaker 6: That's an enormous need.

557
00:25:37,474 --> 00:25:40,394
Speaker 4: I mean, all of a sudden, interior line is whole

558
00:25:40,434 --> 00:25:41,913
Speaker 4: front seven D T.

559
00:25:41,874 --> 00:25:43,833
Speaker 7: One Like I would, I would make that up an

560
00:25:43,874 --> 00:25:44,754
Speaker 7: absolute part.

561
00:25:44,634 --> 00:25:46,234
Speaker 5: One defensive tackle.

562
00:25:46,313 --> 00:25:48,513
Speaker 7: You know they need that.

563
00:25:48,513 --> 00:25:52,633
Speaker 5: Too, would say defensive Like you have defensive tackle.

564
00:25:52,874 --> 00:25:54,794
Speaker 7: I think you need a guy. I think you need

565
00:25:54,793 --> 00:25:56,553
Speaker 7: a guy. I'd go get one in free agency. I

566
00:25:56,593 --> 00:25:59,154
Speaker 7: mean I think that's fine. I mean, but I would

567
00:25:59,154 --> 00:26:02,073
Speaker 7: say Edge absolutely, But who do you have? You got

568
00:26:03,474 --> 00:26:05,954
Speaker 7: your one guy who can play interior at an NFL

569
00:26:06,033 --> 00:26:09,114
Speaker 7: level right now? You know, I think that's I think

570
00:26:09,154 --> 00:26:09,553
Speaker 7: you can.

571
00:26:09,434 --> 00:26:11,833
Speaker 5: Sign those types of guys though in free agency. I

572
00:26:11,833 --> 00:26:13,273
Speaker 5: don't like that line of thinking.

573
00:26:13,313 --> 00:26:15,474
Speaker 7: Evan, I want an impact. I want somebody good.

574
00:26:15,553 --> 00:26:17,634
Speaker 4: But like, how did you get Godshaw?

575
00:26:18,073 --> 00:26:20,033
Speaker 6: Well, that's not an impact guy, but like it's a

576
00:26:20,073 --> 00:26:23,153
Speaker 6: guy who plays the defensive line at an NFL.

577
00:26:24,634 --> 00:26:25,194
Speaker 4: In the NFL?

578
00:26:25,394 --> 00:26:28,593
Speaker 6: Say, and I did too.

579
00:26:29,114 --> 00:26:32,513
Speaker 5: I think I think Edges is to me would be

580
00:26:32,553 --> 00:26:34,714
Speaker 5: where you get your impact guy. Like, I think that's

581
00:26:34,714 --> 00:26:35,833
Speaker 5: a much more important spot.

582
00:26:35,954 --> 00:26:37,833
Speaker 6: You can make an argument of quality played better than

583
00:26:37,833 --> 00:26:41,314
Speaker 6: Godcha this year, like I would. That's I wouldn't either,

584
00:26:41,353 --> 00:26:45,194
Speaker 6: But people have I mean, there you're real your analytics guys.

585
00:26:45,593 --> 00:26:47,314
Speaker 5: No, I don't take credit for any of those.

586
00:26:47,434 --> 00:26:49,154
Speaker 6: No, I know you always cut ties when you don't

587
00:26:49,194 --> 00:26:50,274
Speaker 6: agree with them, which I like.

588
00:26:50,714 --> 00:26:54,234
Speaker 5: If you're talking. If you're talking, you've lost me.

589
00:26:54,593 --> 00:26:57,234
Speaker 6: That doesn't I don't know. I don't know that PFF

590
00:26:57,714 --> 00:26:58,114
Speaker 6: one of those.

591
00:26:58,313 --> 00:27:00,273
Speaker 5: I don't think you're thirtieth in the league in pressure

592
00:27:00,313 --> 00:27:03,553
Speaker 5: eight because of defensive tackle play. Maybe the run defense

593
00:27:03,593 --> 00:27:06,114
Speaker 5: of the defensive tackle play, but that's because you've got

594
00:27:06,114 --> 00:27:08,394
Speaker 5: nobody coming off the edge like you got. You gotta

595
00:27:08,874 --> 00:27:12,234
Speaker 5: truly invest in replacing Jude On, you know, with a

596
00:27:12,313 --> 00:27:16,034
Speaker 5: real ed drusher and a finishf.

597
00:27:15,154 --> 00:27:17,474
Speaker 6: W that we got today that wanted to trade with

598
00:27:17,513 --> 00:27:21,354
Speaker 6: the Giants. Oh no, switch spots with the Giants from

599
00:27:21,353 --> 00:27:22,793
Speaker 6: two to one and get Elik Neighbors.

600
00:27:23,154 --> 00:27:26,714
Speaker 5: These people just like, okay, I can't within a quarterback

601
00:27:26,754 --> 00:27:30,473
Speaker 5: and give away our best I'm interested in that, you know,

602
00:27:30,553 --> 00:27:33,353
Speaker 5: the Raiders. One is brock Bowers, Like, you're not getting

603
00:27:33,353 --> 00:27:36,154
Speaker 5: the leak Neighbors. You're not getting brock Bowers, Like.

604
00:27:36,273 --> 00:27:38,793
Speaker 6: Why not trying to like think about like Michael Meyer

605
00:27:39,073 --> 00:27:41,393
Speaker 6: not like brock Bowers isn't going with But maybe they

606
00:27:41,394 --> 00:27:43,353
Speaker 6: don't think that they need both of them. If I

607
00:27:43,394 --> 00:27:46,234
Speaker 6: were the Raiders. I would build my offense around those

608
00:27:46,273 --> 00:27:47,714
Speaker 6: two guys. But that's that's me.

609
00:27:48,033 --> 00:27:50,114
Speaker 5: But it may be, you know, the best case scenario

610
00:27:50,154 --> 00:27:52,633
Speaker 5: from the Raiders I think is like maybe you know,

611
00:27:52,833 --> 00:27:56,553
Speaker 5: Max Crosby has had enough of that organization and the

612
00:27:56,634 --> 00:27:59,273
Speaker 5: wiki plan, Yeah, and he wants out like that, that's

613
00:27:59,273 --> 00:28:01,234
Speaker 5: the best case scenario. But friend, you've got to make

614
00:28:01,234 --> 00:28:03,673
Speaker 5: a first round pick. You can't. You can't not make

615
00:28:03,714 --> 00:28:06,634
Speaker 5: a first round pick. I mean, those are That's how

616
00:28:06,674 --> 00:28:09,033
Speaker 5: bad teams stay bad is when you don't make it round.

617
00:28:09,073 --> 00:28:11,033
Speaker 4: You're bringing in two first rounds.

618
00:28:11,114 --> 00:28:13,434
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you're you're bringing in You're not though, you're

619
00:28:13,434 --> 00:28:16,234
Speaker 5: bringing in two guys that are twenty seven years old,

620
00:28:16,273 --> 00:28:17,954
Speaker 5: twenty five, twenty six years old.

621
00:28:17,994 --> 00:28:21,033
Speaker 6: That's not old that are gonna needs that are gonna

622
00:28:21,033 --> 00:28:22,273
Speaker 6: be only three years in the league.

623
00:28:22,313 --> 00:28:24,554
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's twenty five and you're gonna need to pay

624
00:28:24,593 --> 00:28:26,074
Speaker 5: him thirty million dollars a year.

625
00:28:26,194 --> 00:28:27,994
Speaker 6: So he was an old guy coming out of college,

626
00:28:28,033 --> 00:28:30,833
Speaker 6: you know, But like that's old nowadays.

627
00:28:30,874 --> 00:28:32,873
Speaker 4: Well yeah, if you know, if you don't stay.

628
00:28:32,994 --> 00:28:35,314
Speaker 5: But but the point is is that you know, t.

629
00:28:35,394 --> 00:28:36,634
Speaker 6: Higgins is only twenty five.

630
00:28:36,793 --> 00:28:40,433
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're just you're talking about you know guys that

631
00:28:40,634 --> 00:28:44,474
Speaker 5: are paid people like you're you're talking about contracts that

632
00:28:44,514 --> 00:28:47,994
Speaker 5: are already hitting the top of the market right now. Like,

633
00:28:48,074 --> 00:28:50,074
Speaker 5: if you want to rebuild this team correctly, like you

634
00:28:50,154 --> 00:28:52,234
Speaker 5: have to build through the draft and to not make

635
00:28:52,234 --> 00:28:54,674
Speaker 5: a first round pick like that. I don't know how

636
00:28:54,954 --> 00:28:57,194
Speaker 5: how you're not gonna You're not gonna build through the

637
00:28:57,274 --> 00:29:00,633
Speaker 5: draft that way. So, like, I just I get what

638
00:29:00,714 --> 00:29:02,514
Speaker 5: you're saying, Like it'd be great if they could get

639
00:29:02,674 --> 00:29:04,954
Speaker 5: you know, a trade down scenario like the Bears did,

640
00:29:04,954 --> 00:29:06,634
Speaker 5: where you throw in like a DJ Moore.

641
00:29:06,834 --> 00:29:09,274
Speaker 4: I still have four picks of the top three rounds.

642
00:29:09,314 --> 00:29:11,514
Speaker 5: Yeah, it doesn't do anything for me like those picks.

643
00:29:11,554 --> 00:29:16,113
Speaker 5: I I more, every every single year more, I find

644
00:29:16,514 --> 00:29:17,674
Speaker 5: it to be an absolute crime.

645
00:29:17,714 --> 00:29:20,274
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, I've brought I'm bringing in a

646
00:29:20,314 --> 00:29:24,354
Speaker 4: top wide receiver in a top interior alignement. And then,

647
00:29:25,314 --> 00:29:27,234
Speaker 4: like I said, I have four more.

648
00:29:27,074 --> 00:29:30,034
Speaker 5: Picks, But those picks don't mean anything like the third

649
00:29:30,114 --> 00:29:30,554
Speaker 5: round picks.

650
00:29:30,554 --> 00:29:32,393
Speaker 4: I could package up three and move into two and

651
00:29:32,434 --> 00:29:34,034
Speaker 4: have two two's or whatever. You know.

652
00:29:34,594 --> 00:29:37,074
Speaker 5: I guess. I mean it's not that trade's not gonna happen,

653
00:29:37,554 --> 00:29:38,714
Speaker 5: no offense like that.

654
00:29:39,114 --> 00:29:42,074
Speaker 6: But I don't see the Jets wanting to trade Garrett

655
00:29:42,074 --> 00:29:43,434
Speaker 6: Wilson to the Patriots.

656
00:29:43,554 --> 00:29:45,314
Speaker 4: I get he's disgruntled, right, Yeah.

657
00:29:45,674 --> 00:29:48,153
Speaker 6: No, I think there's a chance that he could get traded. Yeah,

658
00:29:48,194 --> 00:29:49,954
Speaker 6: but I just can't see the Jets trading him to

659
00:29:49,954 --> 00:29:50,554
Speaker 6: the Patriots.

660
00:29:50,714 --> 00:29:52,953
Speaker 4: Well, I know, I know, crazier things have happened.

661
00:29:53,074 --> 00:29:55,914
Speaker 6: No, I didn't say it's impossible. I just I don't

662
00:29:55,914 --> 00:29:56,234
Speaker 6: see it.

663
00:29:56,274 --> 00:30:00,634
Speaker 4: I'm just again, I'm relying on this Jets Giants thing

664
00:30:00,754 --> 00:30:04,873
Speaker 4: in both of them wanting Sanders. That's the only way

665
00:30:04,954 --> 00:30:05,633
Speaker 4: it would happen.

666
00:30:05,874 --> 00:30:07,554
Speaker 5: No, I like where your head's at in terms of

667
00:30:08,194 --> 00:30:10,954
Speaker 5: trying to get a veteran player as part of the package.

668
00:30:11,274 --> 00:30:13,113
Speaker 5: I just don't think that you can make that trade

669
00:30:13,154 --> 00:30:14,913
Speaker 5: without getting a first round pick.

670
00:30:14,914 --> 00:30:18,673
Speaker 6: And I also think trade a trade in particular is

671
00:30:18,794 --> 00:30:22,074
Speaker 6: very important in this offseason. I think they need to

672
00:30:22,114 --> 00:30:27,354
Speaker 6: find a way to acquire someone's disgruntled player like that

673
00:30:27,754 --> 00:30:29,913
Speaker 6: the way a lot of other teams have done it

674
00:30:29,914 --> 00:30:33,634
Speaker 6: in the last five years, especially because hekame Medcalf, somebody

675
00:30:33,914 --> 00:30:37,154
Speaker 6: that could be available. Yeah, like Max Crosby.

676
00:30:37,194 --> 00:30:40,473
Speaker 5: You brought up Crosby dk Metcalf, like you gotta if

677
00:30:40,474 --> 00:30:42,594
Speaker 5: you're not going to win free agency, because you're not

678
00:30:42,594 --> 00:30:44,314
Speaker 5: a draw right now. Then you've got to kind.

679
00:30:44,154 --> 00:30:48,114
Speaker 4: Of Crosby seven. Oh, that's he's young. Yeah, Like, why

680
00:30:48,114 --> 00:30:50,314
Speaker 4: do I think he's like thirty? I don't know. It

681
00:30:50,354 --> 00:30:52,514
Speaker 4: looks it seems like he's been around for a while.

682
00:30:52,554 --> 00:30:52,794
Speaker 3: I guess.

683
00:30:52,834 --> 00:30:52,994
Speaker 4: Yeah.

684
00:30:52,994 --> 00:30:53,633
Speaker 6: It's a good player.

685
00:30:53,714 --> 00:30:56,794
Speaker 4: He is a good player. Yep. All right, So those

686
00:30:56,794 --> 00:30:58,354
Speaker 4: are some things that we're throwing out.

687
00:30:58,434 --> 00:30:58,754
Speaker 8: I like you.

688
00:30:58,874 --> 00:31:02,074
Speaker 6: I like your outside the box. I like your trade scenario.

689
00:31:02,314 --> 00:31:03,034
Speaker 6: I mean I don't.

690
00:31:02,834 --> 00:31:07,074
Speaker 5: Necessarily think about draft picks. Huh me, I know, not

691
00:31:07,474 --> 00:31:10,674
Speaker 5: a time like I mean, I do care good by

692
00:31:10,674 --> 00:31:11,994
Speaker 5: building the offensive line.

693
00:31:13,074 --> 00:31:14,794
Speaker 4: I just want to get good. I want to get

694
00:31:14,954 --> 00:31:19,113
Speaker 4: good as quickly as possible. And that way you're bringing

695
00:31:19,154 --> 00:31:23,153
Speaker 4: into too surefire first round value guys.

696
00:31:24,194 --> 00:31:26,434
Speaker 5: I just I just don't think that's how you get good.

697
00:31:26,514 --> 00:31:30,274
Speaker 5: But I think it's just a philosophical thing difference, you know,

698
00:31:30,434 --> 00:31:32,954
Speaker 5: Like I think the teams that have gotten good quickly

699
00:31:33,394 --> 00:31:35,554
Speaker 5: are are teams that draft well and.

700
00:31:35,594 --> 00:31:37,433
Speaker 6: Well they have to draft well. I don't think that that.

701
00:31:37,514 --> 00:31:39,554
Speaker 6: People don't think Fred's suggests.

702
00:31:40,194 --> 00:31:41,874
Speaker 5: How are you, how are you going to draft well?

703
00:31:41,874 --> 00:31:44,954
Speaker 6: Why can't you get why can't you tackle the second round.

704
00:31:44,994 --> 00:31:46,674
Speaker 6: You're at the top of the second round. Why can't

705
00:31:46,674 --> 00:31:48,394
Speaker 6: you hit on a linement there.

706
00:31:48,194 --> 00:31:49,354
Speaker 5: Because it doesn't happen?

707
00:31:49,634 --> 00:31:53,114
Speaker 4: Like, are you talking about what one every every every

708
00:31:53,114 --> 00:31:56,274
Speaker 4: player that one in every league round but one.

709
00:31:56,074 --> 00:31:58,514
Speaker 5: In every ten tackles that hits like good luck, like

710
00:31:58,594 --> 00:32:01,234
Speaker 5: go through a dart Like I just you know this

711
00:32:01,274 --> 00:32:05,274
Speaker 5: past year, we were also in your Patrick Paul and

712
00:32:05,314 --> 00:32:06,474
Speaker 5: all these guys they don't play.

713
00:32:06,714 --> 00:32:08,153
Speaker 4: You say you got to build through the draft. We

714
00:32:08,194 --> 00:32:12,433
Speaker 4: have one first round pick, yeah, and five years to

715
00:32:12,474 --> 00:32:13,514
Speaker 4: get what we want to do.

716
00:32:13,674 --> 00:32:16,274
Speaker 5: But no, but if you hit on this pick, or

717
00:32:16,314 --> 00:32:18,153
Speaker 5: if you trade down and you get a haul for

718
00:32:18,274 --> 00:32:19,633
Speaker 5: this pick like these are.

719
00:32:19,794 --> 00:32:22,794
Speaker 4: We just talked about you getting a Hall this year.

720
00:32:22,594 --> 00:32:25,234
Speaker 5: And you're also talking about it. It's gonna take multiple years.

721
00:32:25,394 --> 00:32:26,994
Speaker 6: I'm not sure you're going to be able to get

722
00:32:26,994 --> 00:32:27,954
Speaker 6: a future.

723
00:32:27,714 --> 00:32:30,434
Speaker 4: Round and you can, you can quicken the process a

724
00:32:30,474 --> 00:32:31,034
Speaker 4: little bit.

725
00:32:30,914 --> 00:32:33,474
Speaker 6: Like this draft. The way that people are talking. Again,

726
00:32:33,594 --> 00:32:36,994
Speaker 6: I don't know these things, so I go to the

727
00:32:37,074 --> 00:32:39,594
Speaker 6: Dame Bruglers of the world who do know this stuff.

728
00:32:39,954 --> 00:32:42,074
Speaker 6: A lot of trade scenarios I've seen. You're not even

729
00:32:42,154 --> 00:32:44,754
Speaker 6: able to get a future first round pick. Yeah, it's

730
00:32:44,874 --> 00:32:48,474
Speaker 6: you're trading down four spots to get a two and

731
00:32:48,714 --> 00:32:50,633
Speaker 6: three this year and a two next year and stuff

732
00:32:50,674 --> 00:32:54,314
Speaker 6: like that. Like, yeah, Evan doesn't want that because you

733
00:32:54,354 --> 00:32:56,114
Speaker 6: have to get the first round picks because everything else

734
00:32:56,194 --> 00:32:56,634
Speaker 6: is adey.

735
00:32:56,794 --> 00:32:59,194
Speaker 4: If you like, if you want to build through the draft,

736
00:32:59,474 --> 00:33:01,834
Speaker 4: you better be good in the second and third round.

737
00:33:02,274 --> 00:33:02,794
Speaker 4: You better.

738
00:33:02,954 --> 00:33:03,154
Speaker 7: Yeah.

739
00:33:03,194 --> 00:33:06,153
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I'm not banking on hitting on a tackle in

740
00:33:06,194 --> 00:33:07,994
Speaker 5: the second or third round. We've been doing that for

741
00:33:08,114 --> 00:33:09,074
Speaker 5: years and it doesn't work.

742
00:33:09,154 --> 00:33:10,594
Speaker 4: I'm telling whoever you pick.

743
00:33:10,474 --> 00:33:12,714
Speaker 6: You how many tackles are they taken in the second round.

744
00:33:13,394 --> 00:33:16,913
Speaker 5: They took a third round tackle last year to produce

745
00:33:16,954 --> 00:33:17,554
Speaker 5: in the third round.

746
00:33:17,554 --> 00:33:21,154
Speaker 6: A couple of years, third round guys the last second round,

747
00:33:21,754 --> 00:33:24,673
Speaker 6: Matt Light, Sebastian Vallmer, those guys worked out, okay.

748
00:33:24,994 --> 00:33:28,594
Speaker 5: They they also had Dante Scarneki coaching them on the offensive.

749
00:33:28,994 --> 00:33:31,434
Speaker 4: Well, that's the whole different subject. Like that's all part

750
00:33:31,474 --> 00:33:33,034
Speaker 4: of it.

751
00:33:34,274 --> 00:33:35,794
Speaker 5: That's part of the quarterback.

752
00:33:35,914 --> 00:33:39,234
Speaker 6: So Elliott Wolfe has said many many times, we want

753
00:33:39,274 --> 00:33:42,554
Speaker 6: to be a draft and developed team and everybody and

754
00:33:42,594 --> 00:33:44,794
Speaker 6: everybody only focuses on the draft.

755
00:33:45,194 --> 00:33:46,314
Speaker 4: What happens when they get you.

756
00:33:46,394 --> 00:33:49,034
Speaker 6: Because I refuse to believe that all of these guys

757
00:33:49,034 --> 00:33:52,794
Speaker 6: came into the league without the requisite talent. Jalen Polk

758
00:33:53,274 --> 00:33:57,834
Speaker 6: in the summer looked like he had NFL ability. Why

759
00:33:57,874 --> 00:34:01,314
Speaker 6: from July to December does he look like he doesn't

760
00:34:01,314 --> 00:34:02,354
Speaker 6: belong in the league?

761
00:34:02,634 --> 00:34:03,594
Speaker 7: Is that all his fault?

762
00:34:04,594 --> 00:34:06,474
Speaker 6: I mean, I put the majority of it on him,

763
00:34:06,474 --> 00:34:10,154
Speaker 6: because the players ultimately, you know, you see that police,

764
00:34:10,794 --> 00:34:13,194
Speaker 6: But I'm just I'm using it as an I.

765
00:34:13,194 --> 00:34:16,154
Speaker 4: Just have people need to care before they hate you.

766
00:34:16,754 --> 00:34:19,473
Speaker 4: Right now, you're not on that level. You're not You're

767
00:34:19,554 --> 00:34:25,354
Speaker 4: not there yet. He's got It's just like, what are

768
00:34:25,354 --> 00:34:26,114
Speaker 4: we doing here?

769
00:34:26,274 --> 00:34:30,834
Speaker 6: No, but Evan's right about the lack of structure, Like

770
00:34:30,994 --> 00:34:33,674
Speaker 6: Dante was able to take these guys and make them,

771
00:34:33,873 --> 00:34:36,393
Speaker 6: you know, probably better players than they were, and they're

772
00:34:36,433 --> 00:34:38,714
Speaker 6: not getting that now. So I recognize as far as

773
00:34:38,714 --> 00:34:41,513
Speaker 6: we know, well, they're not getting better. I mean they

774
00:34:41,554 --> 00:34:43,274
Speaker 6: just they just picked eight guys in the draft and

775
00:34:43,314 --> 00:34:44,354
Speaker 6: one of them looks like.

776
00:34:44,634 --> 00:34:48,513
Speaker 4: Another subject I want to get into is our evaluation

777
00:34:48,754 --> 00:34:51,794
Speaker 4: of these coaches. What are we basing it on? And

778
00:34:52,234 --> 00:34:53,393
Speaker 4: we'll talk about that.

779
00:34:53,594 --> 00:34:55,234
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I don't I don't mean to like

780
00:34:55,274 --> 00:34:56,953
Speaker 5: get too fired up about this whole thing.

781
00:34:56,994 --> 00:34:57,354
Speaker 4: I just.

782
00:34:59,433 --> 00:35:00,154
Speaker 7: To the opposite.

783
00:35:00,194 --> 00:35:03,634
Speaker 6: That's what this is. No, no, no, no, this that's what

784
00:35:03,674 --> 00:35:04,274
Speaker 6: this is for.

785
00:35:04,554 --> 00:35:07,673
Speaker 5: I just as someone that that puts a lot into

786
00:35:07,674 --> 00:35:10,314
Speaker 5: the draft every single year. You fall in love with me.

787
00:35:10,794 --> 00:35:13,274
Speaker 4: And someone who puts in more than you guys. No, no, no,

788
00:35:13,714 --> 00:35:14,673
Speaker 4: I'm only into that.

789
00:35:15,034 --> 00:35:17,953
Speaker 5: But like I fall in love with with guys in

790
00:35:17,953 --> 00:35:20,314
Speaker 5: the second Like I really thought Kingsley su Mattia was

791
00:35:20,354 --> 00:35:22,074
Speaker 5: going to be a good NFL tackle and maybe he

792
00:35:22,154 --> 00:35:24,834
Speaker 5: still will be, play like three games, okay, but the

793
00:35:24,913 --> 00:35:27,433
Speaker 5: Chiefs are literally putting Joe Tooney.

794
00:35:27,154 --> 00:35:32,033
Speaker 6: He's not ready, clearly not ready to avoid playing him, right,

795
00:35:31,674 --> 00:35:34,234
Speaker 6: And Patrick Paul the other day was fine until they

796
00:35:34,234 --> 00:35:36,513
Speaker 6: started leaving him on an island with Miles GATHERERTT right,

797
00:35:36,754 --> 00:35:39,834
Speaker 6: and like which I'm sorry, that's bad coach, right.

798
00:35:40,274 --> 00:35:44,794
Speaker 5: But I like, I just I really am concerned about

799
00:35:45,074 --> 00:35:48,234
Speaker 5: you know, you can find receivers and you can find

800
00:35:48,314 --> 00:35:51,354
Speaker 5: pass rushers. You can find those guys in the veteran market.

801
00:35:51,393 --> 00:35:55,033
Speaker 5: Those guys move like the receivers get traded every off season.

802
00:35:55,114 --> 00:35:57,673
Speaker 6: Receivers, you can definitely right, they're moving a lot because

803
00:35:58,234 --> 00:36:01,234
Speaker 6: and they're always justsgruntled, right, we need one to get gruntled.

804
00:36:00,953 --> 00:36:03,394
Speaker 5: Right, So you look at this thing and you're like, Okay,

805
00:36:03,433 --> 00:36:06,393
Speaker 5: you can find you can make that receiver trade. You

806
00:36:06,433 --> 00:36:09,114
Speaker 5: can sign a T. Higgins, you can trade for a

807
00:36:09,194 --> 00:36:12,434
Speaker 5: DK Metcalf, Like where is the offensive line help gonna

808
00:36:12,473 --> 00:36:14,634
Speaker 5: come from? And if you're continuing to just bank on

809
00:36:14,714 --> 00:36:17,914
Speaker 5: third and fourth round picks to hit on the offensive line,

810
00:36:18,034 --> 00:36:19,834
Speaker 5: like we're gonna be here for a while.

811
00:36:19,754 --> 00:36:21,714
Speaker 6: Keep pushing it back around. I want to take it

812
00:36:21,714 --> 00:36:23,314
Speaker 6: at the top of the second round, which is like

813
00:36:23,314 --> 00:36:24,433
Speaker 6: a first round like.

814
00:36:24,794 --> 00:36:26,913
Speaker 5: This year, top of the second round, Like, I'll just

815
00:36:26,913 --> 00:36:30,154
Speaker 5: give you some names like Josh Connelly from Oregon. He

816
00:36:30,194 --> 00:36:32,914
Speaker 5: could play himself into the first round in the playoff,

817
00:36:32,994 --> 00:36:35,754
Speaker 5: right but he's the talented guy that most projected at

818
00:36:35,794 --> 00:36:37,794
Speaker 5: the top of the second round right now. But if

819
00:36:37,794 --> 00:36:40,274
Speaker 5: he has two three really good games in the playoff,

820
00:36:40,274 --> 00:36:42,314
Speaker 5: then he's going to be a first round pick. Josh

821
00:36:42,354 --> 00:36:45,033
Speaker 5: sam Is from Ohio State, really talented guy, but he's

822
00:36:45,034 --> 00:36:46,714
Speaker 5: coming off of torn acl right now.

823
00:36:46,754 --> 00:36:49,393
Speaker 6: So I'm gonna this is a little Devil's advocate here.

824
00:36:49,393 --> 00:36:51,873
Speaker 6: I'm going to try to help Fred, not necessarily saying

825
00:36:51,913 --> 00:36:54,153
Speaker 6: I think this is realistic, but okay, So Fred's trade

826
00:36:54,194 --> 00:36:58,914
Speaker 6: scenario where he's acquiring extra extra seconds and third round picks.

827
00:36:59,234 --> 00:37:01,674
Speaker 6: If your thing happens and you identify a guy, the

828
00:37:01,754 --> 00:37:04,274
Speaker 6: Oregon kid, the Ohio State kids, the one coming off injury,

829
00:37:04,354 --> 00:37:09,314
Speaker 6: or yeah, so one of those guys. Let's say he's

830
00:37:09,354 --> 00:37:12,594
Speaker 6: suddenly moving from the you know, the high thirties, you know,

831
00:37:12,834 --> 00:37:14,914
Speaker 6: or the low thirties in this case where the Patriots

832
00:37:14,913 --> 00:37:18,354
Speaker 6: are going to be taking thirty three, and he's moving

833
00:37:18,393 --> 00:37:21,194
Speaker 6: into the twenties. Right, Well, now you have all these

834
00:37:21,234 --> 00:37:23,074
Speaker 6: extra picks that Fred's acquiring.

835
00:37:24,514 --> 00:37:25,113
Speaker 4: You go up again.

836
00:37:25,314 --> 00:37:26,873
Speaker 5: He acquired one extra pick.

837
00:37:26,913 --> 00:37:28,473
Speaker 6: Didn't you acquire like a second in the.

838
00:37:28,433 --> 00:37:31,834
Speaker 4: First not just a third. But now I have four picks.

839
00:37:31,873 --> 00:37:33,834
Speaker 6: I have three through up into our extra second.

840
00:37:34,114 --> 00:37:34,473
Speaker 7: I didn't.

841
00:37:34,514 --> 00:37:36,673
Speaker 4: I didn't say it in my mind, we had.

842
00:37:36,594 --> 00:37:38,714
Speaker 6: An extra second.

843
00:37:41,674 --> 00:37:42,594
Speaker 5: I just I can make that.

844
00:37:42,754 --> 00:37:43,354
Speaker 4: Just give me that.

845
00:37:43,433 --> 00:37:45,794
Speaker 5: I would much rather just go that route on your own,

846
00:37:45,873 --> 00:37:50,554
Speaker 5: without trading for the veteran players. Like if you are draft,

847
00:37:50,714 --> 00:37:52,993
Speaker 5: you know, let's say you don't get your tackle or

848
00:37:53,034 --> 00:37:55,033
Speaker 5: you don't get your receiver at the top of the

849
00:37:55,034 --> 00:37:57,074
Speaker 5: first round because you go one or the other. Like

850
00:37:57,114 --> 00:37:59,154
Speaker 5: I would love to see them trade back into the

851
00:37:59,234 --> 00:38:00,953
Speaker 5: end of the first round and get the guy.

852
00:38:01,114 --> 00:38:01,993
Speaker 4: But you could do you could.

853
00:38:01,994 --> 00:38:05,153
Speaker 6: You could move up from thirty three, add in two

854
00:38:05,154 --> 00:38:08,393
Speaker 6: of the thirds to move to twenty five, right, right,

855
00:38:08,794 --> 00:38:10,714
Speaker 6: Maybe not even that much. Maybe you could get away

856
00:38:10,714 --> 00:38:11,393
Speaker 6: with less than that.

857
00:38:11,754 --> 00:38:16,834
Speaker 4: Yeah, you could do it. So this way, somewhere you

858
00:38:16,873 --> 00:38:17,433
Speaker 4: know this one.

859
00:38:17,634 --> 00:38:19,113
Speaker 5: Then I can make a first round pick and I'd

860
00:38:19,114 --> 00:38:19,953
Speaker 5: feel a little bit better.

861
00:38:20,114 --> 00:38:22,393
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you can take a tackle, which would make

862
00:38:22,393 --> 00:38:23,274
Speaker 6: you feel even better.

863
00:38:23,314 --> 00:38:24,074
Speaker 5: I'm still not feeling.

864
00:38:24,314 --> 00:38:26,553
Speaker 4: Go back to my other point that I made, I

865
00:38:26,634 --> 00:38:29,994
Speaker 4: agree Evan, you good teams build through the draft.

866
00:38:30,794 --> 00:38:32,913
Speaker 6: Yes, I don't think anybody would argue.

867
00:38:33,393 --> 00:38:35,314
Speaker 4: Not just through the first round. I don't want to

868
00:38:35,314 --> 00:38:37,674
Speaker 4: trade all the picks. Not just through the first round,

869
00:38:38,034 --> 00:38:40,234
Speaker 4: is my point. You need to be good in the

870
00:38:40,274 --> 00:38:42,634
Speaker 4: second and third round too, and every once in a

871
00:38:42,674 --> 00:38:44,234
Speaker 4: while get lucky further down.

872
00:38:44,554 --> 00:38:47,314
Speaker 6: Like the Rams traded all the picks. No one is

873
00:38:47,393 --> 00:38:48,194
Speaker 6: advocating doing.

874
00:38:48,274 --> 00:38:52,033
Speaker 5: But teams that do that to me, that all the picks. No,

875
00:38:52,234 --> 00:38:55,754
Speaker 5: they already have the roster correct around it, right. They

876
00:38:55,754 --> 00:38:58,914
Speaker 5: don't need the pillar players. They have the pillar players,

877
00:38:58,913 --> 00:39:01,954
Speaker 5: the Aaron Donald's, the Matthew Staffords, and now they're trading

878
00:39:01,994 --> 00:39:04,433
Speaker 5: their first round pick for Jalen Ramsey to be the

879
00:39:04,514 --> 00:39:07,113
Speaker 5: cherry on top of the Sunday. Sure, the Patriots are

880
00:39:07,114 --> 00:39:09,114
Speaker 5: now trading their first round pick for the cherries on

881
00:39:09,114 --> 00:39:12,354
Speaker 5: top before they build the foundation. So like that, that's.

882
00:39:12,794 --> 00:39:14,393
Speaker 6: I totally get back, and that's what. But I don't

883
00:39:14,393 --> 00:39:16,594
Speaker 6: think Fred's advocating trading all the picks. He wants to

884
00:39:16,594 --> 00:39:19,073
Speaker 6: trade one pick to acquire two guys that are better

885
00:39:19,154 --> 00:39:19,754
Speaker 6: than that pick.

886
00:39:20,034 --> 00:39:22,154
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, just stay on the Rams example, though. I mean,

887
00:39:22,194 --> 00:39:24,474
Speaker 7: once they did start drafting again, they're drafting well, especially

888
00:39:24,473 --> 00:39:26,513
Speaker 7: on the defensive side to the ball, adding guys who

889
00:39:26,514 --> 00:39:28,154
Speaker 7: are coming in and playing, and it's you know, not

890
00:39:28,194 --> 00:39:28,674
Speaker 7: what's happened.

891
00:39:28,674 --> 00:39:30,873
Speaker 4: And the other thing about the Rams is they recognize

892
00:39:30,913 --> 00:39:33,474
Speaker 4: when other teams don't draft well and they laugh.

893
00:39:33,354 --> 00:39:39,314
Speaker 7: Laught TV because they're drunk. Mean people, du people laugh

894
00:39:39,354 --> 00:39:39,794
Speaker 7: at us.

895
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Speaker 4: All right, let's let's get you involved, our listeners and

896
00:39:45,714 --> 00:39:49,074
Speaker 4: our viewers. Eight five five past five hundred is the

897
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Speaker 4: TPX hotline. If I can get this mouse to work?

898
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Speaker 4: What's going on with the coil?

899
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Speaker 6: Just missed an empty end?

900
00:39:54,913 --> 00:39:57,633
Speaker 4: Huh that happens the mouse working?

901
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Speaker 7: Jeez, alright, jeez, what are you gonna go?

902
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Speaker 5: Turn it on?

903
00:40:04,314 --> 00:40:08,634
Speaker 4: Mouse working? Well, you did drop it, I know, I

904
00:40:08,714 --> 00:40:15,033
Speaker 4: did focus in this game. Yeah, it's good TV. I

905
00:40:15,074 --> 00:40:16,993
Speaker 4: got it. I got it. It just popped in. All right,

906
00:40:17,873 --> 00:40:20,034
Speaker 4: let's go first to Joe in New Hampshire.

907
00:40:20,034 --> 00:40:24,514
Speaker 9: What's up Joe, By guys, thanks for taking my call.

908
00:40:25,314 --> 00:40:27,953
Speaker 9: I know the focus for most of the beginning was

909
00:40:28,034 --> 00:40:31,314
Speaker 9: on the draft, which obviously makes sense with the first

910
00:40:31,393 --> 00:40:34,354
Speaker 9: overall pick online this week. But I just want to say,

911
00:40:34,393 --> 00:40:37,154
Speaker 9: after last week's game, I think they need to blow

912
00:40:37,154 --> 00:40:41,034
Speaker 9: it up, get new front office, new coaching. And I

913
00:40:41,114 --> 00:40:43,274
Speaker 9: might be in the minority here. I don't want them

914
00:40:43,274 --> 00:40:46,033
Speaker 9: to hire Mike Rabel. I want them to completely cut

915
00:40:46,074 --> 00:40:49,393
Speaker 9: ties with people to the dynasty. The only exception to

916
00:40:49,433 --> 00:40:52,834
Speaker 9: that I'd make is Brian Dable if he gets fired

917
00:40:52,873 --> 00:40:54,953
Speaker 9: from the Giants. I just kind of want to hear

918
00:40:54,994 --> 00:40:55,714
Speaker 9: your thoughts on that.

919
00:40:56,034 --> 00:40:57,794
Speaker 4: So let me ask you a question. You said after

920
00:40:57,913 --> 00:41:01,073
Speaker 4: last game. I decided that you must have been really

921
00:41:01,114 --> 00:41:04,553
Speaker 4: close leading into the game, though, right, it wasn't just

922
00:41:04,674 --> 00:41:05,234
Speaker 4: last game.

923
00:41:06,913 --> 00:41:09,594
Speaker 9: Oh no, it wasn't just last game. I was close

924
00:41:09,794 --> 00:41:12,754
Speaker 9: going into it. But I just think putting that type

925
00:41:12,754 --> 00:41:15,834
Speaker 9: of performance up in front of the home base, and

926
00:41:16,873 --> 00:41:19,113
Speaker 9: I just think at this point there's no coming back

927
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Speaker 9: from it.

928
00:41:19,754 --> 00:41:21,754
Speaker 4: Yeah, was there anything they could have done in the

929
00:41:21,834 --> 00:41:24,153
Speaker 4: last game that would have changed your mind and say, oh,

930
00:41:24,714 --> 00:41:25,794
Speaker 4: let's on it back.

931
00:41:27,714 --> 00:41:32,433
Speaker 9: Uh be competitive, Not like I knew this year was

932
00:41:32,473 --> 00:41:36,194
Speaker 9: going to be rough, like record wise, talent wise, I

933
00:41:36,234 --> 00:41:38,993
Speaker 9: knew it was gonna be rough. But they're not even

934
00:41:39,034 --> 00:41:40,114
Speaker 9: competitive at this point.

935
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Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, well thanks Joe. I appreciate the call.

936
00:41:43,913 --> 00:41:46,754
Speaker 4: You know what, I I hear what he's saying.

937
00:41:46,834 --> 00:41:49,393
Speaker 6: Likes agree with it. If you're gonna blow it up,

938
00:41:49,433 --> 00:41:51,194
Speaker 6: to let you know if you're gonna blow it up.

939
00:41:51,274 --> 00:41:55,354
Speaker 6: I think bringing in people whose success wasn't tied to

940
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Speaker 6: Tom Brady makes a lot of sense.

941
00:41:57,154 --> 00:41:59,794
Speaker 5: Well, vos wasn't.

942
00:41:59,873 --> 00:42:02,553
Speaker 4: I didn't say it was. I'm just saying, you know,

943
00:42:03,393 --> 00:42:06,434
Speaker 4: bringing in people whose success wasn't tied to Tom Brady,

944
00:42:06,433 --> 00:42:08,513
Speaker 4: Like a lot of people talk about Josh McDaniels is

945
00:42:09,074 --> 00:42:13,033
Speaker 4: oc Like, maybe we should look at people who we

946
00:42:13,074 --> 00:42:16,354
Speaker 4: can say, yeah, it wasn't because of Tom, you know.

947
00:42:17,154 --> 00:42:17,354
Speaker 5: Yeah.

948
00:42:17,473 --> 00:42:19,114
Speaker 7: I mean it's just hard because you assume that their

949
00:42:19,154 --> 00:42:21,473
Speaker 7: first place they look is with some degree of familiarity

950
00:42:21,473 --> 00:42:23,674
Speaker 7: in people that they've worked with before. And I mean

951
00:42:23,674 --> 00:42:25,754
Speaker 7: I've heard, you know, plenty of people they did make

952
00:42:25,754 --> 00:42:27,953
Speaker 7: a change that this time. They want to see a

953
00:42:27,994 --> 00:42:32,154
Speaker 7: fully robust interview process where a number of candidates you know,

954
00:42:32,393 --> 00:42:34,674
Speaker 7: are considered. But I just, I mean, I just think

955
00:42:34,714 --> 00:42:37,834
Speaker 7: the general vibe from everybody is like something has to change.

956
00:42:37,873 --> 00:42:40,153
Speaker 7: You can't have this bad of a season and sell

957
00:42:40,194 --> 00:42:42,234
Speaker 7: it as it's gonna be better next year. Let's just

958
00:42:42,314 --> 00:42:44,913
Speaker 7: running back like something's gonna have to change this offseason.

959
00:42:45,834 --> 00:42:52,393
Speaker 4: Sean's and Virginia. What's up Sean? Oh doing Sean turn

960
00:42:52,473 --> 00:42:53,953
Speaker 4: that up? Mike Matt a little bit.

961
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Speaker 10: For me, I'm a total I'm not kind of like

962
00:42:57,913 --> 00:43:01,114
Speaker 10: an outlier when it comes to this, because I think

963
00:43:01,154 --> 00:43:03,553
Speaker 10: that dependent culk get close to ransom when it comes

964
00:43:03,594 --> 00:43:06,634
Speaker 10: to that uh pick, because there's a premier at the position,

965
00:43:07,034 --> 00:43:09,393
Speaker 10: and there's too many teams within that spot that needs

966
00:43:09,393 --> 00:43:12,113
Speaker 10: a quarterback, And if you had to take the time

967
00:43:12,154 --> 00:43:13,714
Speaker 10: to think about it, I'm pretty sure a lot of

968
00:43:13,714 --> 00:43:16,754
Speaker 10: people that within this organizations or with other teams, uh,

969
00:43:16,873 --> 00:43:20,234
Speaker 10: they're on the brink of probably possibly losing their job whatever,

970
00:43:20,274 --> 00:43:21,953
Speaker 10: so they might have one more chads, so they might

971
00:43:21,953 --> 00:43:23,993
Speaker 10: need to go out to this quarterback and there's only

972
00:43:24,074 --> 00:43:26,754
Speaker 10: two of them. I can go and accumulate deep pits

973
00:43:26,873 --> 00:43:29,314
Speaker 10: or whatever. I could possibly go ahead and get to

974
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Speaker 10: that spot I need to get to where I'm robbly,

975
00:43:31,194 --> 00:43:33,553
Speaker 10: like five or six or whatever, and then I would

976
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Speaker 10: use one of those picks up I may accumulate like

977
00:43:35,834 --> 00:43:38,433
Speaker 10: another fucking round pick or whatever, or another third, and

978
00:43:38,473 --> 00:43:40,914
Speaker 10: I would say you that you try to get DK Metcay,

979
00:43:41,674 --> 00:43:43,473
Speaker 10: but but at for a first pick, I'll probably take

980
00:43:44,114 --> 00:43:46,434
Speaker 10: ce Mat if I can. If I don't, I probably

981
00:43:46,433 --> 00:43:48,834
Speaker 10: go out of the head rusher or or I had

982
00:43:49,674 --> 00:43:54,074
Speaker 10: the deep tackle for my Michigan Okaying.

983
00:43:53,314 --> 00:43:54,474
Speaker 4: All right, thanks Sean.

984
00:43:54,674 --> 00:43:57,033
Speaker 6: I would just say that I don't think there are

985
00:43:57,074 --> 00:44:00,033
Speaker 6: two quarterbacks based on the way that people are talking,

986
00:44:00,034 --> 00:44:02,553
Speaker 6: and people are talking themselves into two quarterbacks. This is

987
00:44:02,634 --> 00:44:05,354
Speaker 6: very similar to me to twenty twenty two, yep, and

988
00:44:05,393 --> 00:44:09,393
Speaker 6: everybody said this isn't really a quarterback draft, and they

989
00:44:09,393 --> 00:44:13,034
Speaker 6: were right, first one you got taken it like twenty twenty.

990
00:44:13,234 --> 00:44:16,714
Speaker 6: So I think there's a chance that these teams will

991
00:44:16,754 --> 00:44:19,274
Speaker 6: not talk themselves into one of these two guys, and

992
00:44:19,314 --> 00:44:22,473
Speaker 6: they'll just either decide the guy's good enough to take

993
00:44:22,794 --> 00:44:26,274
Speaker 6: at my original pick or he's not, and I'll just

994
00:44:26,393 --> 00:44:29,194
Speaker 6: pick the best player on the board and figure it out.

995
00:44:29,234 --> 00:44:31,873
Speaker 6: I mean, and I think that if you look, there's

996
00:44:31,913 --> 00:44:34,194
Speaker 6: something that I think that is starting to happen a

997
00:44:34,234 --> 00:44:38,513
Speaker 6: little bit more often with mixed results. But there's enough

998
00:44:38,554 --> 00:44:41,993
Speaker 6: teams now that are doing it. Just saying I don't

999
00:44:41,994 --> 00:44:44,634
Speaker 6: love Shdor Sanders, So instead of doing that, I'm going

1000
00:44:44,674 --> 00:44:46,834
Speaker 6: to go to Sam Darnold, right, and I'm going to

1001
00:44:46,913 --> 00:44:48,913
Speaker 6: wait till the year that I'm in the draft and

1002
00:44:48,953 --> 00:44:51,913
Speaker 6: I can get a quarterback that I like. He worked.

1003
00:44:52,354 --> 00:44:56,794
Speaker 6: Your boy Mayfield worked. Now, Atlanta did it with Kirk Cousins.

1004
00:44:56,834 --> 00:44:59,834
Speaker 6: It didn't work. It didn't work. Now they were able

1005
00:44:59,834 --> 00:45:00,113
Speaker 6: to do.

1006
00:45:00,154 --> 00:45:02,194
Speaker 4: But they were able to do well for other teams

1007
00:45:02,194 --> 00:45:04,234
Speaker 4: in the past. Well, it didn't work this year.

1008
00:45:04,634 --> 00:45:06,514
Speaker 6: Right. I mean, Kirk Cousins has been a good player.

1009
00:45:06,554 --> 00:45:08,914
Speaker 6: It looks like the Achilles was something that he couldn't

1010
00:45:08,913 --> 00:45:09,554
Speaker 6: come back from.

1011
00:45:09,554 --> 00:45:12,074
Speaker 4: He's been a guy that's moved around and had success.

1012
00:45:12,634 --> 00:45:15,874
Speaker 6: Yeah, but he that was like young early in his career.

1013
00:45:15,873 --> 00:45:17,834
Speaker 6: He left Washington and went to Minnesota. This is a

1014
00:45:17,873 --> 00:45:19,673
Speaker 6: little bit different. I think you could sort of talk

1015
00:45:19,714 --> 00:45:22,794
Speaker 6: yourself into one of these, you know, I'll call him

1016
00:45:22,834 --> 00:45:26,594
Speaker 6: Bridge guys, Gino Smith. You know, Seattle has been relative

1017
00:45:26,873 --> 00:45:31,433
Speaker 6: irrelevant with Gino Smith. If I were the Giants, I

1018
00:45:31,473 --> 00:45:33,953
Speaker 6: wouldn't even think about taking you to a Sanders number two.

1019
00:45:34,514 --> 00:45:37,234
Speaker 4: I would think you'd get the bridge. I would.

1020
00:45:38,514 --> 00:45:41,194
Speaker 6: This is gonna sound really silly. There's no chit. I

1021
00:45:41,194 --> 00:45:44,553
Speaker 6: would just assume running back with Daniel Jones then then

1022
00:45:44,913 --> 00:45:47,834
Speaker 6: talk myself into one of these guys that some AFC

1023
00:45:47,873 --> 00:45:51,674
Speaker 6: scouts don't even think of first round talents at the

1024
00:45:51,754 --> 00:45:56,073
Speaker 6: number two overall pick. Again, if I'm like at number twelve, I'm.

1025
00:45:55,994 --> 00:45:57,194
Speaker 4: Looking on like Sanders.

1026
00:45:58,594 --> 00:46:01,994
Speaker 5: Sure, sure, I couldn't agree with Paul Moore though about

1027
00:46:02,154 --> 00:46:06,393
Speaker 5: you know, the Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield, Gino Smith. I

1028
00:46:06,433 --> 00:46:09,194
Speaker 5: would much rather do that if I was the Giants,

1029
00:46:09,314 --> 00:46:10,754
Speaker 5: especially if Dable's still there.

1030
00:46:10,994 --> 00:46:13,634
Speaker 6: Right, you can't do it with Daniel Jones. I get that,

1031
00:46:13,634 --> 00:46:14,834
Speaker 6: that's just kind of a point.

1032
00:46:14,953 --> 00:46:18,634
Speaker 5: But Drew Law, Yeah, I would just I would much

1033
00:46:18,754 --> 00:46:22,754
Speaker 5: rather do that route this year. You know, look, I

1034
00:46:22,473 --> 00:46:24,154
Speaker 5: I know he's gonna have to get paid, but like

1035
00:46:24,234 --> 00:46:26,953
Speaker 5: Brock Perdy, I'm one hundred percent sure is gonna is

1036
00:46:26,953 --> 00:46:29,553
Speaker 5: going to be their long term with San Francisco, uh

1037
00:46:29,674 --> 00:46:32,434
Speaker 5: JJ McCarthy and Sam Darnold, Like one of those guys

1038
00:46:32,473 --> 00:46:34,834
Speaker 5: isn't going to be there. In Minnesota long term, so

1039
00:46:34,913 --> 00:46:36,873
Speaker 5: you have an option like J. J. McCarthy is better

1040
00:46:36,873 --> 00:46:39,674
Speaker 5: than both these quarterbacks in the draft as a prospect.

1041
00:46:39,754 --> 00:46:42,754
Speaker 5: So like you, there's so many options I feel like

1042
00:46:42,794 --> 00:46:45,153
Speaker 5: in this quarterback market that isn't in the draft?

1043
00:46:45,194 --> 00:46:48,274
Speaker 4: What what what is the down? What is the the

1044
00:46:48,393 --> 00:46:51,954
Speaker 4: knock on Shador Sanders?

1045
00:46:51,994 --> 00:46:54,674
Speaker 5: He's just I would say that his you know, he

1046
00:46:54,834 --> 00:46:57,234
Speaker 5: has a lot of the trades that teams are looking for.

1047
00:46:57,274 --> 00:46:59,834
Speaker 5: They're just not you know, if Drake May was out

1048
00:46:59,873 --> 00:47:01,993
Speaker 5: of ten, you know his are at a seven. You know,

1049
00:47:02,074 --> 00:47:05,234
Speaker 5: he's he's got requisite arm strength. I think he has

1050
00:47:05,354 --> 00:47:08,354
Speaker 5: a little bit of that playmaking, you know, offscript type

1051
00:47:08,354 --> 00:47:12,314
Speaker 5: of mobility. But it's just more you know, it's more

1052
00:47:12,594 --> 00:47:15,314
Speaker 5: watered down, you know, it's not it's not quite as

1053
00:47:15,754 --> 00:47:18,033
Speaker 5: impressive as some of the guys that came out last year.

1054
00:47:18,114 --> 00:47:19,913
Speaker 6: Yeah, I haven't watched a ton of them, so I'm

1055
00:47:19,913 --> 00:47:25,393
Speaker 6: not necessarily telling you I wouldn't say that no one

1056
00:47:25,473 --> 00:47:27,913
Speaker 6: much at all. I mean they don't they don't really

1057
00:47:27,953 --> 00:47:30,274
Speaker 6: win all that much. They beat the teams that they

1058
00:47:30,354 --> 00:47:33,913
Speaker 6: quote unquote should beat. I think he runs around a

1059
00:47:33,953 --> 00:47:36,954
Speaker 6: lot like backwards. I don't think he has great pocket

1060
00:47:36,953 --> 00:47:40,633
Speaker 6: presence and from what little I've seen, points a lot

1061
00:47:40,634 --> 00:47:43,433
Speaker 6: of fingers. Yeah, he likes to call out his offensive

1062
00:47:43,433 --> 00:47:45,874
Speaker 6: line a lot. Kind of reminds me of Jake Cutler

1063
00:47:45,873 --> 00:47:48,754
Speaker 6: at Vanderbilt stuff that he.

1064
00:47:48,754 --> 00:47:52,033
Speaker 5: Didn't have much, but he I would say that, you

1065
00:47:52,034 --> 00:47:54,393
Speaker 5: know when you watch watching him on film, like he's

1066
00:47:55,034 --> 00:47:58,593
Speaker 5: he's just his his traits are just not high end.

1067
00:47:58,953 --> 00:47:59,154
Speaker 4: You know.

1068
00:47:59,274 --> 00:48:02,634
Speaker 5: I think that he's got but I don't.

1069
00:48:02,473 --> 00:48:04,834
Speaker 6: Because he seems small to me. But maybe maybe he's

1070
00:48:04,873 --> 00:48:05,554
Speaker 6: not as small as he.

1071
00:48:05,594 --> 00:48:08,714
Speaker 5: I don't think he's He's not Josh Allen justin Herbert,

1072
00:48:08,834 --> 00:48:11,714
Speaker 5: But I don't think that's gonna be a big conversation

1073
00:48:11,913 --> 00:48:14,234
Speaker 5: like you know it was with like Bryce Young for example.

1074
00:48:14,634 --> 00:48:17,114
Speaker 6: Like cam Ward's small too. You know, I heard camp

1075
00:48:17,154 --> 00:48:20,433
Speaker 6: someone compared cam Wood sort of size and style to

1076
00:48:20,514 --> 00:48:24,194
Speaker 6: Kyler Murray. I don't think he's that good, you know,

1077
00:48:24,234 --> 00:48:25,913
Speaker 6: I don't think he's as good as other Murdy was

1078
00:48:25,913 --> 00:48:29,834
Speaker 6: in college, but he's a smaller guy athlete was really

1079
00:48:29,834 --> 00:48:33,993
Speaker 6: productive in Miami this round. Oh absolutely. If there's a

1080
00:48:34,034 --> 00:48:37,434
Speaker 6: silver lining, you were in position to make the quarterback

1081
00:48:37,473 --> 00:48:40,274
Speaker 6: in the year that there was quarterbacks that were worth taking. Yeah,

1082
00:48:40,274 --> 00:48:42,073
Speaker 6: that's the silver lining. And you got and you've got

1083
00:48:42,074 --> 00:48:42,834
Speaker 6: one that looks good.

1084
00:48:42,873 --> 00:48:46,034
Speaker 7: You think Dion's a consideration too with drafting Ship Sanders,

1085
00:48:46,034 --> 00:48:46,993
Speaker 7: so that you're gonna have a little bit of.

1086
00:48:46,953 --> 00:48:48,433
Speaker 6: A does he come with him?

1087
00:48:48,754 --> 00:48:51,474
Speaker 4: I mean like the factor.

1088
00:48:51,314 --> 00:48:54,354
Speaker 7: Dad talking how to should here do? Last week? You know,

1089
00:48:54,473 --> 00:48:55,954
Speaker 7: I mean he's got a platform.

1090
00:48:55,634 --> 00:48:57,194
Speaker 4: Distraction just part of it.

1091
00:48:57,634 --> 00:48:59,913
Speaker 5: I think Shoudor Sanders could be a starting quarterback in

1092
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Speaker 5: this league. I just don't think he's going to be

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Speaker 5: an elite starting quarterback. So that's probably a mid to

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00:49:06,473 --> 00:49:09,073
Speaker 5: late round, first round pick if you're you're thinking that's

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Speaker 5: what he can be.

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Speaker 4: All right, let's go to Eldred in North Carolina. What's up, Eldred,

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Speaker 4: Biggie Aldred? He is Matt turn it up a little. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: we can hear you.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 11: Okay, Happy New Year's to y'all, Same to you.

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Speaker 12: But yeah, I saw that little draft thing where the

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Speaker 12: Raiders want to know the standards and they're from NFL

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Speaker 12: network thing, I think, and they they were given out

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Speaker 12: a first a sucket the father first.

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Speaker 4: In prog What said that NFL network?

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Speaker 11: Hey, look at NFL excuse me a news news break

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Speaker 11: on it. I think NFL sack them from there. But

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Speaker 11: it's down there though it's on the news breaks.

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Speaker 12: First Raiders would trade Crosby a first, a sucket.

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Speaker 11: And the twenty six first.

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Speaker 4: Wow, I do that in a harder getting centered, you

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Speaker 4: get centered?

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Speaker 7: I do.

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Speaker 4: I do that so fast You're.

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Speaker 11: Gonna find it and I'm gonna shoot it to your

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Speaker 11: I am a camp.

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Speaker 6: Ye Oh No, I didn't say that. You didn't see

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Speaker 6: someone propose it. Yeah, I'm just saying I don't see

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Speaker 6: a team doing that. I saw two trade proposals that

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Speaker 6: didn't even evolve first round picks, just I mean, other

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Speaker 6: than the swap of picks, which people mistakenly all the

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Speaker 6: time count as an extra first round pick.

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Speaker 4: So what if? What if? What Eldrid is saying, the

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Speaker 4: factor what the Raiders are factoring in is we want

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Speaker 4: Dion Sanders to be our head coach, and so by

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Speaker 4: doing this, we're gonna we're gonna get our head coach

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Speaker 4: as well, And that's upping the ante. It'd be great.

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Speaker 4: What if that's part of it? Thanks?

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Speaker 7: Thanks, that's a little bit of luck that the Patriots

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Speaker 7: need this year, having this pick that sound.

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Speaker 6: Like a Tom Brady moved to here.

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Speaker 7: No, no, but how.

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Speaker 4: Much, say, does Brady have anything?

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Speaker 6: I think I'll have a lot.

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Speaker 4: You think he'll have a lot.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I like probably make a trade down,

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Speaker 5: even if it's not for the king's ransom, even if

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Speaker 5: it's not for a huge package like we've seen in

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Speaker 5: years past. Sure, I think i'd probably put your minimum.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I would like a twenty twenty five or

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty six, I should say, first round pick.

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Speaker 6: How about a second and third this year? In a

1143
00:51:27,314 --> 00:51:33,354
Speaker 6: future too. I thought what I heard this morning one.

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Speaker 5: How far you're going from one to eight?

1145
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Speaker 6: I think it was like six.

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00:51:36,314 --> 00:51:37,033
Speaker 5: I'd still do it.

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00:51:37,154 --> 00:51:38,913
Speaker 4: That's probably the jazz.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that might have been the one I heard

1149
00:51:40,714 --> 00:51:43,034
Speaker 6: yet because now I forget. I want a credit whoever

1150
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Speaker 6: was talking about it, but I forget.

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Speaker 5: If there was if there was a Miles Garrett in

1152
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Speaker 5: this draft that you were giving away with the first

1153
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Speaker 5: overall pick, if there was, you know, someone of that

1154
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Speaker 5: ILK that's you know, this this unreal, you know, future

1155
00:51:56,514 --> 00:51:59,433
Speaker 5: Hall of Fame level prospect, then I wouldn't do it.

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Speaker 5: But in this draft, I don't really think there's a

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Speaker 5: huge difference between who you're going to be picking at

1158
00:52:05,154 --> 00:52:07,433
Speaker 5: one versus who you're going to be picking six seven, eight,

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Speaker 5: So whatever you can get for the pick, I'd probably.

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Speaker 4: Do it all right. My foods here, so let's take

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Speaker 4: a break when we come back. More calls and emails

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Speaker 3: Let me just j overside. So, yeah, have an opportunity

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Speaker 3: to go back and watch the film. He has full staff.

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Speaker 15: And you know, just like I said after the game,

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Speaker 15: it wasn't much positive to take out of the game.

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Speaker 15: I guess if you want to say, you know, there's

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Speaker 15: one thing positive. It's good to see Cold Strange out there.

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Speaker 15: And I would say he played pretty well, you know,

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Speaker 15: great out pretty well in the game. And for a

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Speaker 15: guy who hasn't played football in the year to go

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Speaker 15: in there and play center definitely definitely was encouraging. So

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Speaker 15: you know, for me, you know, today we have the

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Speaker 15: players in you know, we have our meetings and stuff

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Speaker 15: and and really just pushed forward to the last week

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Speaker 15: of the season. You know, I just got to be

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Speaker 15: able to stay the course through all all the negativity

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Speaker 15: and look again, as I've said, you know, winning cure

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Speaker 15: as all. We just need to win football games.

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Speaker 16: We'll open up questions, will say we've been going, hey.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, John. I know obviously we want to go

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Speaker 3: out this year with a win.

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Speaker 17: But any thoughts to not playing Drake May this week,

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Speaker 17: given uh the injury risk and given his style of

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Speaker 17: play and everything.

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Speaker 15: I would say right now that everything is, you know,

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Speaker 15: in consideration, and we'll see how the leak goes.

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Speaker 16: Next question Chris Price, followed by Chris Mason hey.

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Speaker 18: Rod, how much, if it all does the Bills situation,

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Speaker 18: the fact that they're locked into the number two spot,

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Speaker 18: they might sit some starters, they might have some guys

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Speaker 18: play a quarter, whatever the case may be. How much

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Speaker 18: of it all does that change your thinking when it

1213
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Speaker 18: comes to gameplay and personnel in the rest of the situation.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, my expectation is, you know, if the guys are healthy,

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Speaker 15: then they're expected to be ready to go out there

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Speaker 15: and play. And again, I'm glad to see how the

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Speaker 15: week goes. But I understand the question. I just you know,

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00:54:58,354 --> 00:54:59,473
Speaker 15: the guys are working hard and.

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Speaker 3: We need to play football. Thanks, thank you.

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Speaker 16: Next question Chris Mason followed like Chris Ryan.

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Speaker 3: Hey Drod.

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Speaker 18: After the game, Daniel Laquaro said that it feels like

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00:55:10,913 --> 00:55:13,393
Speaker 18: a lot of guys start giving up when things get hard.

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Speaker 15: I'm just wondering if you saw idea that on the

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00:55:15,274 --> 00:55:16,834
Speaker 15: film in the second half when he reviewed it.

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Speaker 3: You look, we saw guys still flying around.

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Speaker 15: Guys were still flying around giving good effort, and you know,

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Speaker 15: it was just all about.

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Speaker 3: Just execution as a whole. So I didn't see.

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Speaker 16: Chris Ryan followed by Doug Kai.

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Speaker 3: Made hope ball as well as you.

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Speaker 17: Just wanted to ask you about your process when it

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Speaker 17: comes to uh Drake in that game where he gets

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Speaker 17: medically cleared. Although he was showing signs that he said

1235
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Speaker 17: he got his bell wrung, he was showing signs that

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Speaker 17: maybe he had had issues. Do you just completely trust

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00:55:48,154 --> 00:55:51,193
Speaker 17: in the medical staff in that instance or do you

1238
00:55:51,274 --> 00:55:53,714
Speaker 17: kind of take a step back and think about everything.

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Speaker 17: How do you evaluate during that type of a situation.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, as soon as they've go into the tent, I

1241
00:55:59,274 --> 00:56:01,234
Speaker 15: just wait to hear back from the medical professionals and

1242
00:56:01,274 --> 00:56:02,593
Speaker 15: the independent evaluator.

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Speaker 3: If they say it's fine, then it's fine.

1244
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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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00:56:07,034 --> 00:56:09,553
Speaker 16: Thanks Mike Grease followed by Doug Kai.

1246
00:56:10,594 --> 00:56:12,834
Speaker 3: Could you ride a big, big picture question.

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Speaker 19: I'm just curious, what do you feel are the most

1248
00:56:14,913 --> 00:56:18,513
Speaker 19: impactful things that you've accomplished in your first year as

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Speaker 19: head coach.

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Speaker 15: I'll just say, you know, just you know, being able

1251
00:56:22,473 --> 00:56:24,593
Speaker 15: to weather the storm, and it seems I have been

1252
00:56:24,634 --> 00:56:26,073
Speaker 15: in the storm for a long time, and I think

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Speaker 15: the players, you know, as a whole, I would say

1254
00:56:28,794 --> 00:56:31,074
Speaker 15: they've come into work every day during the difficult season.

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Speaker 15: I think that's been a huge piece of the puzzle

1256
00:56:33,154 --> 00:56:35,234
Speaker 15: and hopefully we can keep that going forward. You know,

1257
00:56:35,274 --> 00:56:37,194
Speaker 15: we had eight one score games this year and we

1258
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Speaker 15: just got to honestly, we'll have to win those games,

1259
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Speaker 15: and that's what the NFL is and that that's going

1260
00:56:41,393 --> 00:56:42,393
Speaker 15: to be the goal going forward.

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Speaker 20: Doug Pie, followed by Andrew Callahan, Good more and Drod.

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Speaker 20: We didn't see captain's patch on Jacoby Brissett's jersey. Is

1263
00:56:53,074 --> 00:56:57,314
Speaker 20: there any update to his captaincy.

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00:56:56,234 --> 00:57:00,754
Speaker 15: No, he said, all right here, just left off the jersey.

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Speaker 3: Though, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes.

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Speaker 16: Thanks Andrew Callahan. Follower Phil Perry, Good morning, girod is

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Speaker 16: Drake Maine Concussion protocol.

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00:57:12,913 --> 00:57:17,914
Speaker 3: Uh not as No, he's not, Thank you, Phil Perry.

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Speaker 16: Fall By mean steel.

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Speaker 3: Let me say, let me say, as far as my understanding,

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Speaker 3: he is not in the protocol when it's where would

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Speaker 3: you learn that? If he is? It will be today?

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Phil Perry. Hey, Rod, could you describe how

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00:57:41,914 --> 00:57:44,714
Speaker 3: you and Alex have communicated this year?

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Speaker 17: How would you characterize your level of communication and how

1276
00:57:48,154 --> 00:57:49,834
Speaker 17: well it's gone in your opinion.

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Speaker 3: That if we're in constant communication.

1278
00:57:51,674 --> 00:57:54,674
Speaker 15: We speak every single day, we're meetings every single day together,

1279
00:57:55,674 --> 00:57:56,394
Speaker 15: and it's been good.

1280
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Speaker 3: Obviously, again, you know, without record, I mean it's.

1281
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Speaker 15: Easy to say, well, maybe this or maybe that, but

1282
00:58:01,914 --> 00:58:03,193
Speaker 15: our communication has been great.

1283
00:58:06,714 --> 00:58:09,434
Speaker 16: We can still feel like all that, Chris Gasper, I'm sorry,

1284
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Speaker 16: Chris christ.

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Speaker 3: One Drude. Just as of right now, you guys are

1286
00:58:17,114 --> 00:58:20,154
Speaker 3: in line for the number one overall pick next year.

1287
00:58:20,634 --> 00:58:23,714
Speaker 17: How does that, if it all affect your game plan

1288
00:58:23,834 --> 00:58:24,714
Speaker 17: going into this week?

1289
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Speaker 15: Focus on building the Buffalo Bills. I mean, that's what

1290
00:58:29,314 --> 00:58:33,674
Speaker 15: we have to do, Chris Price.

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Speaker 18: Fall, Like Chris Ryan, d Kean White was very outspoken

1292
00:58:38,114 --> 00:58:40,074
Speaker 18: toward the end of the week and then after the

1293
00:58:40,114 --> 00:58:42,594
Speaker 18: game as well. I know you said on the pregame

1294
00:58:42,634 --> 00:58:44,274
Speaker 18: show you had a chance to speak with him, you

1295
00:58:44,314 --> 00:58:45,994
Speaker 18: guys are okay. I don't know if you've had a

1296
00:58:46,074 --> 00:58:47,954
Speaker 18: chance to kind of catch up with him since his

1297
00:58:48,074 --> 00:58:51,314
Speaker 18: comments after the game and how those conversations have gone.

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00:58:51,554 --> 00:58:53,114
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did and spoke this morning.

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Speaker 15: I'm going to keep those conversations private, but we're on

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00:58:56,274 --> 00:58:57,034
Speaker 15: the same page.

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Speaker 16: Thanks, Thanks Chris Ryan, followed by Doug kye.

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00:59:02,834 --> 00:59:05,713
Speaker 17: Ared you mentioned earlier, you know, eight one score games

1303
00:59:05,714 --> 00:59:09,073
Speaker 17: throughout the course of this year, and you had high

1304
00:59:09,154 --> 00:59:12,034
Speaker 17: expectations for establishing, you know, the brand of football you

1305
00:59:12,034 --> 00:59:14,073
Speaker 17: wanted to establish coming into the season. I'm just kind

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Speaker 17: of curious now as where at the last game, do

1307
00:59:17,674 --> 00:59:20,514
Speaker 17: you feel that this has been more challenging than did

1308
00:59:20,594 --> 00:59:21,394
Speaker 17: you anticipated?

1309
00:59:21,594 --> 00:59:22,514
Speaker 3: And how would you kind of.

1310
00:59:22,874 --> 00:59:27,954
Speaker 17: Evaluate where things have on compared to your expectations going

1311
00:59:27,994 --> 00:59:30,593
Speaker 17: into the season, how you've grown as a coach throughout it.

1312
00:59:31,114 --> 00:59:33,074
Speaker 15: I appreciate the question. Look, I knew this was going

1313
00:59:33,114 --> 00:59:34,914
Speaker 15: to be a challenging season, you know, for a year

1314
00:59:34,994 --> 00:59:39,554
Speaker 15: head coach. Obviously, the expectations here are always high. Unfortunately,

1315
00:59:39,554 --> 00:59:41,954
Speaker 15: we just haven't been able to meet, you know, those expectations.

1316
00:59:42,034 --> 00:59:44,314
Speaker 15: Now I'm saying that I think the biggest problem with

1317
00:59:44,434 --> 00:59:47,314
Speaker 15: us as a team starts with me is just being consistent.

1318
00:59:47,674 --> 00:59:48,674
Speaker 3: It's about consistency.

1319
00:59:48,674 --> 00:59:51,874
Speaker 15: It's about consistency in the field, It's about consistency, uh

1320
00:59:52,074 --> 00:59:52,954
Speaker 15: inside the building.

1321
00:59:52,954 --> 00:59:54,874
Speaker 3: And you know, we just got to continue to work on.

1322
00:59:54,754 --> 01:00:00,633
Speaker 16: That dog high followed by Mike Grees and I know when.

1323
01:00:00,514 --> 01:00:01,914
Speaker 20: You sat up to the game that it was a

1324
01:00:01,994 --> 01:00:06,994
Speaker 20: coach's decision to start Remandra Stevenson over Antonio Gibson, can

1325
01:00:07,034 --> 01:00:09,514
Speaker 20: you give us a little more intelligent into what exactly

1326
01:00:09,514 --> 01:00:10,114
Speaker 20: happened there?

1327
01:00:11,354 --> 01:00:13,634
Speaker 3: No, I was really intel. I mean I'm you know,

1328
01:00:14,154 --> 01:00:16,113
Speaker 3: stick with coach's decision on that.

1329
01:00:17,034 --> 01:00:20,794
Speaker 16: Thanks Mike Greece, followed by Mike Jarret Bright.

1330
01:00:21,114 --> 01:00:23,034
Speaker 17: Up up to this point, Joe Milton has been the

1331
01:00:23,154 --> 01:00:24,674
Speaker 17: third quarterback in every game.

1332
01:00:25,274 --> 01:00:28,234
Speaker 3: How much motivation is there internally to maybe.

1333
01:00:27,954 --> 01:00:30,834
Speaker 9: Bump them up to the game day roster this week

1334
01:00:30,914 --> 01:00:32,394
Speaker 9: and just to see more of.

1335
01:00:32,354 --> 01:00:34,034
Speaker 3: What you have in an actual game.

1336
01:00:34,394 --> 01:00:37,514
Speaker 15: There's absolutely a possibility, but like I said earlier, you know,

1337
01:00:37,554 --> 01:00:39,274
Speaker 15: all things are still in consideration.

1338
01:00:41,034 --> 01:00:45,674
Speaker 16: We'll take two final questions Mike Jaredy and Mark games Mad.

1339
01:00:47,114 --> 01:00:52,714
Speaker 19: I'm curious after seeing the film the pitch to Popmandre

1340
01:00:53,074 --> 01:00:54,994
Speaker 19: sort of what happened there. I know some guys talked

1341
01:00:54,994 --> 01:00:57,474
Speaker 19: about there being some heavy pressure on that side. Is

1342
01:00:57,514 --> 01:01:00,194
Speaker 19: that something they were maybe Day should have checked out

1343
01:01:00,194 --> 01:01:00,593
Speaker 19: of the play.

1344
01:01:02,474 --> 01:01:04,434
Speaker 15: You know, look, they had a good player coming off

1345
01:01:04,434 --> 01:01:07,554
Speaker 15: to the edge, and again it just goes down to execution.

1346
01:01:07,834 --> 01:01:10,274
Speaker 15: We've been playing anytimes in practice and just couldn't get

1347
01:01:10,274 --> 01:01:10,834
Speaker 15: it done in the day.

1348
01:01:11,474 --> 01:01:12,994
Speaker 3: Thank you. Thanks.

1349
01:01:13,114 --> 01:01:16,274
Speaker 16: Last question, Mark Damians Bed drag.

1350
01:01:16,314 --> 01:01:20,074
Speaker 3: Good morning with we know this one game left. Have

1351
01:01:20,154 --> 01:01:22,674
Speaker 3: you been given as surance by ownership that you'll return

1352
01:01:22,794 --> 01:01:23,314
Speaker 3: next season?

1353
01:01:23,874 --> 01:01:27,474
Speaker 15: I'm always in constant dollarship and Philip, we're still on

1354
01:01:27,474 --> 01:01:28,274
Speaker 15: the same page.

1355
01:01:29,514 --> 01:01:36,114
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thanks, thanks everyone, Thanks us, and now great

1356
01:01:36,314 --> 01:01:39,714
Speaker 3: moments in history.

1357
01:01:39,994 --> 01:01:42,474
Speaker 21: I ended up turning around and selling reselling the ticket

1358
01:01:42,474 --> 01:01:45,154
Speaker 21: on Ticketmaster and actually made more on one ticket than

1359
01:01:45,154 --> 01:01:46,914
Speaker 21: I paid for the two.

1360
01:01:47,034 --> 01:01:47,154
Speaker 6: Right.

1361
01:01:47,594 --> 01:01:49,194
Speaker 21: So I get to the game, you know, and and

1362
01:01:49,234 --> 01:01:51,314
Speaker 21: I and I sit down and there's this really nice

1363
01:01:51,354 --> 01:01:52,834
Speaker 21: little old lady and.

1364
01:01:52,474 --> 01:01:55,314
Speaker 6: She's like, oh, how did you get tickets and Ticketmasters? Yeah,

1365
01:01:55,354 --> 01:01:56,714
Speaker 6: I just I just bought mine.

1366
01:01:56,794 --> 01:01:59,234
Speaker 21: My husband, who is a big Patriots fan, he passed away,

1367
01:01:59,674 --> 01:02:00,674
Speaker 21: and so I felt like I.

1368
01:02:00,874 --> 01:02:03,314
Speaker 8: Needed to be here for it. And I'm just feeling

1369
01:02:03,314 --> 01:02:05,354
Speaker 8: worse and worse that I, like, it wasn't this money.

1370
01:02:05,434 --> 01:02:07,354
Speaker 8: And then it was so bad she couldn't even drive

1371
01:02:07,394 --> 01:02:09,394
Speaker 8: to the game. She had to leave early to catch

1372
01:02:09,474 --> 01:02:11,314
Speaker 8: the train to like get back, so.

1373
01:02:11,234 --> 01:02:12,034
Speaker 6: She had to leaven.

1374
01:02:13,114 --> 01:02:18,593
Speaker 7: Person I'm sitting I just bought it on Ticketmaster for

1375
01:02:18,674 --> 01:02:19,794
Speaker 7: eight million dollars.

1376
01:02:20,314 --> 01:02:24,874
Speaker 2: That's another great moment from all.

1377
01:02:24,834 --> 01:02:26,874
Speaker 4: Right back car pages on Filter at eight five to

1378
01:02:26,954 --> 01:02:31,674
Speaker 4: five Pats five hundred is the tpxline podcasts at Patriots

1379
01:02:31,674 --> 01:02:33,554
Speaker 4: dot com and the capital's just scored.

1380
01:02:33,594 --> 01:02:35,434
Speaker 6: Look at your iPad, see if they were offside.

1381
01:02:35,514 --> 01:02:40,034
Speaker 4: I can't now, I can't. Okay, all right, So we

1382
01:02:40,514 --> 01:02:44,394
Speaker 4: tons of emails coming in, which is great. As always,

1383
01:02:44,434 --> 01:02:48,034
Speaker 4: I thank people for their engagement, their participation. The most

1384
01:02:48,074 --> 01:02:51,114
Speaker 4: important email I see. It's from James in Atlanta by

1385
01:02:51,154 --> 01:02:52,674
Speaker 4: way of mate. He wants to know if Deuce is

1386
01:02:52,714 --> 01:02:56,394
Speaker 4: wearing skinny jeans. Doucy wearing skinny jeans.

1387
01:02:56,394 --> 01:02:58,834
Speaker 7: So they don't flare at the bottom. But I don't

1388
01:02:58,834 --> 01:02:59,434
Speaker 7: think they're skinny.

1389
01:02:59,434 --> 01:03:02,234
Speaker 4: They're not skinny jeans, but they're the normal genes that

1390
01:03:02,314 --> 01:03:05,514
Speaker 4: come out nor days. Back in the day, jeans were

1391
01:03:05,514 --> 01:03:09,554
Speaker 4: a little bit more comfortable fitting. Now your normal jeans

1392
01:03:09,554 --> 01:03:11,274
Speaker 4: are kind of skinny.

1393
01:03:11,394 --> 01:03:13,314
Speaker 7: He's got some stretch to them. I like the stretch.

1394
01:03:13,594 --> 01:03:15,314
Speaker 4: Yeah, the other thing, stretchy jeans.

1395
01:03:15,394 --> 01:03:17,234
Speaker 6: They like Mom jeans, the stretchy hell.

1396
01:03:17,354 --> 01:03:17,754
Speaker 7: I don't know.

1397
01:03:17,754 --> 01:03:20,674
Speaker 4: The Mom jean partner I remember makes fun of I

1398
01:03:20,674 --> 01:03:22,994
Speaker 4: remember when you bought denim jeans from Levi's. It took

1399
01:03:23,074 --> 01:03:24,994
Speaker 4: like a month before they were worked in.

1400
01:03:25,594 --> 01:03:27,354
Speaker 7: They were like card but then they were like party

1401
01:03:27,514 --> 01:03:28,554
Speaker 7: you had to hang on to them.

1402
01:03:28,754 --> 01:03:30,994
Speaker 4: Of course, but it took a while for them. Now

1403
01:03:31,114 --> 01:03:32,834
Speaker 4: they come already broken.

1404
01:03:32,554 --> 01:03:34,354
Speaker 7: In, they're already got a hole in them.

1405
01:03:34,554 --> 01:03:35,874
Speaker 4: It's it's not great.

1406
01:03:35,674 --> 01:03:38,914
Speaker 5: It's awesome. It's because we realized that jeans actually aren't comfortable,

1407
01:03:38,954 --> 01:03:41,114
Speaker 5: so we're going to make them comfortable jeans.

1408
01:03:41,114 --> 01:03:41,434
Speaker 7: That's right.

1409
01:03:41,514 --> 01:03:43,073
Speaker 5: Now they look like jeans.

1410
01:03:42,834 --> 01:03:44,314
Speaker 6: But jeans are very comfortable.

1411
01:03:44,434 --> 01:03:46,354
Speaker 4: Yeah, the jeans I wore. You can light a match

1412
01:03:46,394 --> 01:03:46,754
Speaker 4: on them.

1413
01:03:47,154 --> 01:03:48,474
Speaker 6: You know that's not comfortable.

1414
01:03:48,474 --> 01:03:48,633
Speaker 22: Though.

1415
01:03:50,154 --> 01:03:58,074
Speaker 4: Over there my my uh hand rolled cigarette.

1416
01:03:58,874 --> 01:04:00,994
Speaker 7: We missed that this year, Paul, we haven't had the

1417
01:04:01,954 --> 01:04:02,994
Speaker 7: I mean, do I agree?

1418
01:04:05,234 --> 01:04:07,554
Speaker 6: Couldn't say it better, couldn't better myself.

1419
01:04:07,874 --> 01:04:11,354
Speaker 4: Let's go to Texas, Jose on the TPX outline. What's up, Jose?

1420
01:04:13,274 --> 01:04:14,394
Speaker 23: Hey, guys, how's it going?

1421
01:04:14,474 --> 01:04:14,874
Speaker 4: All right?

1422
01:04:16,874 --> 01:04:20,114
Speaker 23: So, Fred I was always with you. The morale the

1423
01:04:20,114 --> 01:04:23,434
Speaker 23: locker room got to be up. So that's why I

1424
01:04:23,474 --> 01:04:25,994
Speaker 23: think we're going to beat the bills this week and

1425
01:04:26,354 --> 01:04:28,114
Speaker 23: we're gonna be picking in the top five.

1426
01:04:28,234 --> 01:04:31,474
Speaker 4: So why do you think the morale's up?

1427
01:04:33,434 --> 01:04:35,914
Speaker 23: Yeah, I mean you just got to have.

1428
01:04:35,834 --> 01:04:38,593
Speaker 4: Faith, okay, So you want to win.

1429
01:04:40,314 --> 01:04:41,834
Speaker 23: It's not that I want to win, it's for the

1430
01:04:41,834 --> 01:04:44,874
Speaker 23: locker room to have a good morale up. Okay, be

1431
01:04:45,194 --> 01:04:47,754
Speaker 23: a good dart to the off season, and Drake Maye

1432
01:04:47,914 --> 01:04:51,354
Speaker 23: is just gonna gonna show up from there and then

1433
01:04:51,354 --> 01:04:52,834
Speaker 23: we'll get one of those edge guys.

1434
01:04:52,634 --> 01:04:53,194
Speaker 24: In the draft.

1435
01:04:53,274 --> 01:04:56,794
Speaker 4: I mean, there's a possibility that the morales up and

1436
01:04:56,834 --> 01:05:01,674
Speaker 4: they still lose, you know, I just yeah, but okay,

1437
01:05:01,754 --> 01:05:02,314
Speaker 4: thanks Jose.

1438
01:05:02,514 --> 01:05:04,474
Speaker 7: Do you guys think that they're having the first overall

1439
01:05:04,474 --> 01:05:06,314
Speaker 7: picked though? I mean, like, is it kind of a

1440
01:05:06,314 --> 01:05:08,674
Speaker 7: scarlet letter to where like you're you're the worst team

1441
01:05:08,714 --> 01:05:10,314
Speaker 7: in the league last year like that. I mean, as

1442
01:05:10,394 --> 01:05:13,474
Speaker 7: much as you like, that's you, you can trot it out,

1443
01:05:13,554 --> 01:05:14,514
Speaker 7: especially in the year.

1444
01:05:14,474 --> 01:05:18,514
Speaker 6: Like this, there's not a sort of obvious price.

1445
01:05:18,914 --> 01:05:22,874
Speaker 4: Right you want to do this? Yeah?

1446
01:05:23,554 --> 01:05:26,394
Speaker 5: I had that that feeling after the game on Sunday

1447
01:05:26,434 --> 01:05:28,514
Speaker 5: when I was almost like they're the worst team in

1448
01:05:28,554 --> 01:05:32,034
Speaker 5: the NFL, Like they're literally the worst team in the league.

1449
01:05:32,034 --> 01:05:33,794
Speaker 5: And I was like, that is not fun.

1450
01:05:33,994 --> 01:05:35,674
Speaker 6: You want to know what, you know, like to illustrate that,

1451
01:05:35,714 --> 01:05:38,954
Speaker 6: obviously you have the number one pick, so but the

1452
01:05:38,994 --> 01:05:41,274
Speaker 6: whole Tankathon thing when you go on that website, you

1453
01:05:41,274 --> 01:05:43,634
Speaker 6: know what, like that's breaking down the tiebreakers or the

1454
01:05:43,714 --> 01:05:45,754
Speaker 6: strength of schedule, and you know why that they win

1455
01:05:45,794 --> 01:05:49,194
Speaker 6: the tiebreaker for everybody because their schedule is deemed to

1456
01:05:49,234 --> 01:05:52,714
Speaker 6: be easier than everybody else, is right, Like it's just

1457
01:05:52,954 --> 01:05:55,594
Speaker 6: like to Evan's point, like that just like sort of

1458
01:05:55,674 --> 01:05:56,713
Speaker 6: hits you right in the face.

1459
01:05:57,674 --> 01:05:59,394
Speaker 4: Even with an easy schedule, Even with an.

1460
01:05:59,274 --> 01:06:01,874
Speaker 6: Easy schedule, we're not as good as the other teams

1461
01:06:02,634 --> 01:06:05,434
Speaker 6: that have, you know, obviously the same amount of question

1462
01:06:05,514 --> 01:06:08,234
Speaker 6: marks the Giants. I just I watched a lot of

1463
01:06:08,274 --> 01:06:09,874
Speaker 6: that Giants game because we got a you know, we

1464
01:06:09,954 --> 01:06:14,073
Speaker 6: got a red zone Sunday out of it, and man like,

1465
01:06:14,514 --> 01:06:16,754
Speaker 6: they played really well in that game, and I know

1466
01:06:16,794 --> 01:06:18,514
Speaker 6: it was a fluke. It was a one off. I mean,

1467
01:06:18,554 --> 01:06:20,794
Speaker 6: I see what that would happen the rest of the year.

1468
01:06:22,314 --> 01:06:24,633
Speaker 6: But like the pages haven't really had any of those

1469
01:06:25,314 --> 01:06:28,154
Speaker 6: except for Week one. But even that was a sixteen

1470
01:06:28,194 --> 01:06:30,154
Speaker 6: to ten nail bier in a game that was like

1471
01:06:30,354 --> 01:06:33,274
Speaker 6: what a line unwatchable? This was like they couldn't they

1472
01:06:33,274 --> 01:06:36,274
Speaker 6: couldn't stop them. The Colts couldn't stop them. They scored

1473
01:06:36,314 --> 01:06:37,234
Speaker 6: forty five points.

1474
01:06:37,674 --> 01:06:39,394
Speaker 7: There might have been ways like even last year to

1475
01:06:39,994 --> 01:06:42,994
Speaker 7: you know, point out some details of like yeah, but

1476
01:06:42,994 --> 01:06:45,234
Speaker 7: but not this year. I mean, as I said the.

1477
01:06:45,194 --> 01:06:46,514
Speaker 5: Top, like all the stats back it up.

1478
01:06:47,194 --> 01:06:49,154
Speaker 4: I don't want to hear about the close games.

1479
01:06:49,234 --> 01:06:51,394
Speaker 7: Okay, so I want to score fred I told all this,

1480
01:06:52,474 --> 01:06:54,673
Speaker 7: I told Paul this. I was I had a moment

1481
01:06:54,674 --> 01:06:55,954
Speaker 7: where I think, I'm like, oh, this would be a

1482
01:06:55,954 --> 01:06:58,154
Speaker 7: good Paul thing. I was at home and I heard

1483
01:06:58,154 --> 01:07:01,394
Speaker 7: Badar yesterday on felgrim As and he mentioned, you know,

1484
01:07:01,474 --> 01:07:05,194
Speaker 7: this might be the worst Patriots season since what nineteen two,

1485
01:07:05,914 --> 01:07:08,194
Speaker 7: which I think the Patriots got two and fourteen that year,

1486
01:07:08,194 --> 01:07:10,114
Speaker 7: And so I was just curious, and I looked up

1487
01:07:10,154 --> 01:07:13,794
Speaker 7: how many one win how many one score losses that

1488
01:07:13,834 --> 01:07:14,114
Speaker 7: they had?

1489
01:07:14,194 --> 01:07:14,474
Speaker 4: Five?

1490
01:07:14,834 --> 01:07:16,274
Speaker 7: They had five that season back then.

1491
01:07:16,314 --> 01:07:18,714
Speaker 6: So I mean, I think, how many one score losses

1492
01:07:18,754 --> 01:07:19,314
Speaker 6: they have this year?

1493
01:07:20,834 --> 01:07:22,394
Speaker 4: Sick? I did eight.

1494
01:07:22,474 --> 01:07:24,314
Speaker 6: No, they've been eight one scored games.

1495
01:07:24,674 --> 01:07:26,314
Speaker 7: Eight once we're games, but I think they won two

1496
01:07:26,354 --> 01:07:26,633
Speaker 7: of them.

1497
01:07:27,514 --> 01:07:29,834
Speaker 4: Like a few weeks ago. I did the math, six

1498
01:07:30,034 --> 01:07:32,594
Speaker 4: sixty nine percent of the games this season up to

1499
01:07:32,634 --> 01:07:35,514
Speaker 4: that point, where once eight points the Wessah, that's just

1500
01:07:35,514 --> 01:07:37,314
Speaker 4: how that's how it works in the NFL.

1501
01:07:37,394 --> 01:07:39,554
Speaker 7: It's not like, oh we're close, we just are a couple.

1502
01:07:40,114 --> 01:07:41,914
Speaker 6: Say there are no homecoming games in the NFL.

1503
01:07:41,954 --> 01:07:44,073
Speaker 7: The other thing that bugs me is the inconsistency thing,

1504
01:07:44,114 --> 01:07:45,754
Speaker 7: and that's what you know, Gerak keeps hitting like, we

1505
01:07:45,834 --> 01:07:48,274
Speaker 7: just need to be consistent. I'm like, no, that's not it.

1506
01:07:48,314 --> 01:07:50,754
Speaker 7: What I've just wid is that every NFL team has

1507
01:07:50,794 --> 01:07:52,714
Speaker 7: a handful of plays during the season where they look

1508
01:07:52,754 --> 01:07:56,554
Speaker 7: competent or games or sequences or quarters. But it's the

1509
01:07:56,634 --> 01:07:59,474
Speaker 7: good teams that start to play above and beyond and

1510
01:07:59,794 --> 01:08:01,474
Speaker 7: you know it's not, well, we're close games.

1511
01:08:01,594 --> 01:08:04,794
Speaker 4: Make the follow up is why can't you be consistent? Yeah,

1512
01:08:05,234 --> 01:08:08,034
Speaker 4: and that's because we're not a good team, right, because

1513
01:08:08,074 --> 01:08:09,634
Speaker 4: good teams are consistent.

1514
01:08:09,914 --> 01:08:12,994
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's talent, yes, right, talent. You know in

1515
01:08:13,034 --> 01:08:15,314
Speaker 5: Buffalo they get out to a fourteen nothing lead, but

1516
01:08:15,554 --> 01:08:17,434
Speaker 5: they can't sustain it because they don't have the talent

1517
01:08:17,474 --> 01:08:19,674
Speaker 5: on the offense to sustain it, right, Like they can

1518
01:08:19,954 --> 01:08:22,193
Speaker 5: put a drive together here and there, but they can't.

1519
01:08:22,394 --> 01:08:24,394
Speaker 6: And that's part of my thing that I've sort of

1520
01:08:24,434 --> 01:08:27,914
Speaker 6: come around on with the consistency, the lack of consistency

1521
01:08:27,914 --> 01:08:32,394
Speaker 6: for the Patriots, it's really more about the other team.

1522
01:08:32,714 --> 01:08:35,073
Speaker 6: Like the Chargers played really well. I'm not taking anything

1523
01:08:35,114 --> 01:08:37,154
Speaker 6: away from the Chargers on Saturday.

1524
01:08:37,114 --> 01:08:37,834
Speaker 4: They play like.

1525
01:08:37,914 --> 01:08:40,954
Speaker 6: They played really well. They were intense from the start

1526
01:08:40,994 --> 01:08:44,674
Speaker 6: of the game, and they had a couple of drops

1527
01:08:44,674 --> 01:08:47,194
Speaker 6: on the first drive, and then they were basically flawless

1528
01:08:47,634 --> 01:08:52,834
Speaker 6: for a long stretch. The Bills didn't have that intensity

1529
01:08:52,874 --> 01:08:54,674
Speaker 6: at the start of the game, and as Evan said,

1530
01:08:54,714 --> 01:08:57,234
Speaker 6: they fall behind fourteen to nothing. They turn it on

1531
01:08:57,354 --> 01:09:00,474
Speaker 6: for the next two quarters, score twenty four straight points

1532
01:09:00,994 --> 01:09:04,714
Speaker 6: and they you know, they end up winning, you know,

1533
01:09:04,914 --> 01:09:08,434
Speaker 6: somewhat easily at the end. So it's to me, it's

1534
01:09:08,434 --> 01:09:11,274
Speaker 6: more about what the other team is doing consistency wise.

1535
01:09:11,514 --> 01:09:14,434
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's because they don't do anything. The Patriots don't

1536
01:09:14,434 --> 01:09:18,434
Speaker 5: do anything to threaten the other team, whether it's scheme

1537
01:09:18,554 --> 01:09:20,954
Speaker 5: or it's it's talent, Like, they don't do anything that

1538
01:09:21,154 --> 01:09:23,074
Speaker 5: is like, we got to prepare for this, but we

1539
01:09:23,154 --> 01:09:23,874
Speaker 5: got to worry about it.

1540
01:09:23,914 --> 01:09:26,114
Speaker 4: Bud Light is easy to drink, easy to enjoy. The

1541
01:09:26,154 --> 01:09:28,634
Speaker 4: Patriots are easy to offend and easy to defend.

1542
01:09:28,674 --> 01:09:30,074
Speaker 5: I was gonna say it's full sides and half.

1543
01:09:30,874 --> 01:09:32,674
Speaker 6: I mean, if you look at it, you know, the

1544
01:09:32,754 --> 01:09:35,194
Speaker 6: whole Like, they lost six to one score games, so

1545
01:09:35,274 --> 01:09:37,074
Speaker 6: they could be the record could be so much better.

1546
01:09:37,234 --> 01:09:39,394
Speaker 6: They were a yard away from being one and fifteen.

1547
01:09:40,314 --> 01:09:42,874
Speaker 6: Yeah right, I mean that guy for the Cincinnati that

1548
01:09:42,954 --> 01:09:44,874
Speaker 6: drops the ball as he's going into the end zone

1549
01:09:45,434 --> 01:09:48,834
Speaker 6: and Rimondrie Stevenson's game winning touchdown was a blade of

1550
01:09:48,834 --> 01:09:51,834
Speaker 6: the grass, you know, into the end zone. You one

1551
01:09:51,994 --> 01:09:54,994
Speaker 6: last yard and you could have one win. Yeah, then

1552
01:09:55,074 --> 01:09:57,114
Speaker 6: think about it. I mean to see that.

1553
01:09:57,114 --> 01:10:00,514
Speaker 4: That's like, no, Kendall's in North Carolina.

1554
01:10:00,594 --> 01:10:03,314
Speaker 6: Hey Kendall, that's worst all time teams. Hey as you

1555
01:10:03,354 --> 01:10:04,634
Speaker 6: guys doing good.

1556
01:10:06,034 --> 01:10:09,274
Speaker 25: I got a quick question, does Elliott Wolf Does he

1557
01:10:09,394 --> 01:10:11,714
Speaker 25: attend the games? Because I know I watched most games,

1558
01:10:11,714 --> 01:10:14,474
Speaker 25: and I thy teams they put the GMS in their

1559
01:10:14,514 --> 01:10:16,674
Speaker 25: owners like in the press ball. They actually put the

1560
01:10:16,674 --> 01:10:18,954
Speaker 25: camera on him during the game. But I haven't say

1561
01:10:19,034 --> 01:10:21,994
Speaker 25: I don't really see Wolf, Like does he speak during

1562
01:10:21,994 --> 01:10:22,874
Speaker 25: the season that more.

1563
01:10:22,794 --> 01:10:25,594
Speaker 4: Of them he's there? Yeah, Usually on the road he's

1564
01:10:25,634 --> 01:10:28,354
Speaker 4: in the press box. And at home, I don't know

1565
01:10:28,354 --> 01:10:30,874
Speaker 4: where he is, but down to the coaches booth or

1566
01:10:30,914 --> 01:10:32,034
Speaker 4: something like just to sit up.

1567
01:10:31,954 --> 01:10:33,514
Speaker 7: Top near us and some of the homes.

1568
01:10:34,194 --> 01:10:38,634
Speaker 4: Yep, that's it, okay.

1569
01:10:38,674 --> 01:10:40,914
Speaker 7: I always arrange though, when like we go down a

1570
01:10:40,914 --> 01:10:43,794
Speaker 7: halftime to grab some food and then like comes strutting

1571
01:10:43,834 --> 01:10:46,914
Speaker 7: out and I'm like, you know, walking with someone who's like, God,

1572
01:10:46,914 --> 01:10:48,434
Speaker 7: that was terrible high and it's like.

1573
01:10:49,234 --> 01:10:53,354
Speaker 6: Will walking right this way, Like, do you think you

1574
01:10:53,354 --> 01:10:55,754
Speaker 6: think it's been quiet? I think it's odd that we

1575
01:10:55,794 --> 01:10:59,114
Speaker 6: haven't heard from him Elliott. Yeah, like during the course

1576
01:10:59,154 --> 01:11:00,434
Speaker 6: of the season. I know a lot of fans are

1577
01:11:00,434 --> 01:11:02,634
Speaker 6: starting to wonder why, you know, why isn't he spoken there?

1578
01:11:02,714 --> 01:11:02,954
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1579
01:11:03,234 --> 01:11:06,194
Speaker 6: Yeah, we haven't heard from since August, right.

1580
01:11:06,194 --> 01:11:10,394
Speaker 5: I know, not press conference, which did not go well.

1581
01:11:10,634 --> 01:11:12,594
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I just well, I.

1582
01:11:12,514 --> 01:11:13,194
Speaker 6: Mean we did.

1583
01:11:13,354 --> 01:11:15,514
Speaker 4: If we did hear from him, it would be setting

1584
01:11:15,554 --> 01:11:19,474
Speaker 4: a new precedent for this team because normally we didn't

1585
01:11:19,474 --> 01:11:23,834
Speaker 4: have a GM, so it was all Bill. So you'd

1586
01:11:23,874 --> 01:11:27,514
Speaker 4: be starting a new tradition sort of if you're you know,

1587
01:11:28,234 --> 01:11:31,874
Speaker 4: GM or senior executive vice president whatever his title is,

1588
01:11:32,194 --> 01:11:33,754
Speaker 4: started talking during the season.

1589
01:11:33,794 --> 01:11:36,794
Speaker 7: You never heard from Peoli or Nick cass any of those.

1590
01:11:36,834 --> 01:11:38,874
Speaker 4: Now you didn't hear from until the off season in

1591
01:11:38,874 --> 01:11:39,354
Speaker 4: the draft.

1592
01:11:39,474 --> 01:11:44,394
Speaker 5: I do feel like we got different trade deadline. I

1593
01:11:44,474 --> 01:11:45,594
Speaker 5: want to say one year we.

1594
01:11:45,594 --> 01:11:47,914
Speaker 4: Did get macro trade deadline.

1595
01:11:47,914 --> 01:11:51,154
Speaker 5: Trade deadline okay, but very rare. And I have no

1596
01:11:51,194 --> 01:11:53,074
Speaker 5: problem with him not talking during the season, but he

1597
01:11:53,114 --> 01:11:54,034
Speaker 5: should talk next week.

1598
01:11:54,114 --> 01:11:57,794
Speaker 4: I don't think. I don't think he should talk during

1599
01:11:57,834 --> 01:12:01,154
Speaker 4: the season. I just don't because nothing he says in

1600
01:12:01,194 --> 01:12:02,994
Speaker 4: a bad season can supper and I don't.

1601
01:12:03,034 --> 01:12:05,034
Speaker 6: I don't have the answer because I don't know how

1602
01:12:05,194 --> 01:12:07,194
Speaker 6: other teams are on the league do it. Yeah, so

1603
01:12:07,274 --> 01:12:10,794
Speaker 6: I don't know if like Brett Beach talks, they do

1604
01:12:10,874 --> 01:12:13,594
Speaker 6: talk a lot on a regular basis, not.

1605
01:12:15,074 --> 01:12:17,994
Speaker 5: Like semi regular, and I I I don't necessarily have

1606
01:12:18,034 --> 01:12:19,954
Speaker 5: a problem with it, but like, yeah, you look at

1607
01:12:20,114 --> 01:12:21,914
Speaker 5: you know, just teams around town. I know it's different,

1608
01:12:22,194 --> 01:12:24,874
Speaker 5: different leagues and stuff, but like they have end of year.

1609
01:12:24,794 --> 01:12:26,674
Speaker 4: Press common Oh yeah, yeah, that's different.

1610
01:12:26,714 --> 01:12:29,754
Speaker 6: The owner, the general I would think that we'll have one.

1611
01:12:29,834 --> 01:12:32,514
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think it's a slippery slope unless it's

1612
01:12:32,514 --> 01:12:34,954
Speaker 4: a regularly scheduled thing. For all of a sudden, your

1613
01:12:34,994 --> 01:12:37,194
Speaker 4: GM pops up, I'm gonna do a press conference this week?

1614
01:12:37,594 --> 01:12:40,034
Speaker 4: Like why this week? Yeah, it's definitely not last week.

1615
01:12:41,754 --> 01:12:43,874
Speaker 6: I think you could probably do it mid season.

1616
01:12:45,274 --> 01:12:46,634
Speaker 4: Again, it's got to be scheduled.

1617
01:12:47,234 --> 01:12:49,834
Speaker 7: I'm saying on the trade deadline, that's.

1618
01:12:49,754 --> 01:12:50,154
Speaker 4: A good time.

1619
01:12:50,194 --> 01:12:53,874
Speaker 6: I just think the Patriots way is different because Bill

1620
01:12:53,954 --> 01:12:56,474
Speaker 6: was the GM, and Bill spoke every day so you

1621
01:12:56,514 --> 01:12:59,954
Speaker 6: didn't need to have Poli or talk. Bill was the.

1622
01:12:59,914 --> 01:13:05,274
Speaker 4: Guy, John writes in he says, I disagree with Fred

1623
01:13:05,314 --> 01:13:07,994
Speaker 4: that we can't know whether it's the coaching or lack

1624
01:13:08,034 --> 01:13:11,714
Speaker 4: of talent that creates repeat mistakes. Everyone called the Chargers

1625
01:13:11,754 --> 01:13:14,674
Speaker 4: a well coached team. Good coaching is putting players in

1626
01:13:14,714 --> 01:13:18,234
Speaker 4: the right spots, receivers not running into each other, defense,

1627
01:13:18,354 --> 01:13:22,034
Speaker 4: rallying to the ball in game, clock management, clear messaging,

1628
01:13:22,474 --> 01:13:26,714
Speaker 4: same with recognizing good talent evaluation. If Mayo and Wolf

1629
01:13:26,914 --> 01:13:30,754
Speaker 4: get fired, who's lining up to hire them? Also, Drake

1630
01:13:30,834 --> 01:13:33,874
Speaker 4: may wasn't mentally broken in college when his coordinator changed.

1631
01:13:34,074 --> 01:13:36,074
Speaker 4: We have the chance to hire the best GM and

1632
01:13:36,314 --> 01:13:38,554
Speaker 4: head coach, clean house, He says.

1633
01:13:39,514 --> 01:13:44,554
Speaker 5: To be fair, Drake May's junior season was way worse

1634
01:13:44,594 --> 01:13:47,554
Speaker 5: than his sophomore season when they changed coordinators. Now, they

1635
01:13:47,554 --> 01:13:49,514
Speaker 5: did lose some guys to the NFL as well, so

1636
01:13:49,594 --> 01:13:52,194
Speaker 5: that was that was part of it. But just to

1637
01:13:52,674 --> 01:13:55,834
Speaker 5: be fair, But I I've come around on the idea

1638
01:13:55,874 --> 01:13:59,794
Speaker 5: of just like with head coaches, I think it's kind

1639
01:13:59,794 --> 01:14:02,714
Speaker 5: of a catch all, but like culture is probably the

1640
01:14:02,754 --> 01:14:06,434
Speaker 5: most important part of you know, who are you going

1641
01:14:06,514 --> 01:14:09,794
Speaker 5: to hire, what's the direction of the program, what's the philosophy?

1642
01:14:10,314 --> 01:14:13,514
Speaker 5: And I just haven't heard enough of that sort of

1643
01:14:13,954 --> 01:14:18,074
Speaker 5: thing with your odd really since the beginning to be

1644
01:14:18,234 --> 01:14:22,114
Speaker 5: like all jazzed up about his future, because I just

1645
01:14:22,154 --> 01:14:24,274
Speaker 5: I don't feel like that. You know, Jim Harbaugh came

1646
01:14:24,314 --> 01:14:27,394
Speaker 5: in with the play, you know, like he set a

1647
01:14:27,434 --> 01:14:29,834
Speaker 5: course for that organization and for what they were going

1648
01:14:29,914 --> 01:14:33,674
Speaker 5: to do. He brought in coordinators that are respected and

1649
01:14:34,274 --> 01:14:37,154
Speaker 5: that are been part of the Harbaugh tree for a

1650
01:14:37,274 --> 01:14:40,874
Speaker 5: very very long time, and you know, that's that's the

1651
01:14:40,914 --> 01:14:43,234
Speaker 5: cell to me with Rabel is that I feel like

1652
01:14:43,314 --> 01:14:45,834
Speaker 5: he is going he would come in here with an

1653
01:14:45,834 --> 01:14:49,434
Speaker 5: idea of how they want to build the program and

1654
01:14:49,474 --> 01:14:52,794
Speaker 5: with coordinator hires and with sort of a structure that

1655
01:14:52,834 --> 01:14:55,674
Speaker 5: he's going to put in place immediately, Whereas I feel

1656
01:14:55,714 --> 01:14:58,834
Speaker 5: like with Dira, because of his experience, it's been more

1657
01:14:59,234 --> 01:15:02,394
Speaker 5: learned on the fly of how exactly we want to

1658
01:15:02,434 --> 01:15:04,074
Speaker 5: do those things. And I think that's kind of how

1659
01:15:04,074 --> 01:15:05,114
Speaker 5: we've gotten to this point.

1660
01:15:05,994 --> 01:15:09,314
Speaker 4: Gary and Harvard. Right sin he says that don't throw

1661
01:15:09,314 --> 01:15:12,314
Speaker 4: away the Christmas gift, and he's talking about that first overall,

1662
01:15:12,354 --> 01:15:15,834
Speaker 4: pick three facts. He says, like all rookies late in

1663
01:15:15,834 --> 01:15:18,554
Speaker 4: the year Drake May's tired, making him much more likely

1664
01:15:18,594 --> 01:15:21,994
Speaker 4: to get hurt. The Giants gave the Patriots an incredible gift.

1665
01:15:22,034 --> 01:15:25,194
Speaker 4: We absolutely cannot squander the first draft pick in this

1666
01:15:25,274 --> 01:15:28,994
Speaker 4: specific draft. It is worth vastly more than the fourth pick.

1667
01:15:29,514 --> 01:15:31,554
Speaker 6: I don't know if I agree with it, it's the opposite.

1668
01:15:31,594 --> 01:15:31,994
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1669
01:15:32,274 --> 01:15:35,314
Speaker 6: Again, it depends on I'm not suggesting they should give

1670
01:15:35,354 --> 01:15:38,234
Speaker 6: away the pick or whatever, but I don't understand the

1671
01:15:38,314 --> 01:15:39,194
Speaker 6: mentality that.

1672
01:15:40,274 --> 01:15:43,274
Speaker 4: Getting a second great cornerback would be a dumb move

1673
01:15:43,714 --> 01:15:46,834
Speaker 4: given the other more important needs. So play the rookies

1674
01:15:46,874 --> 01:15:49,354
Speaker 4: that aren't tired, get a bidding war going for pick

1675
01:15:49,434 --> 01:15:51,994
Speaker 4: number one, and trade it for several lower picks and

1676
01:15:52,154 --> 01:15:55,394
Speaker 4: use those on linemen both sides. If Wolf can't pull

1677
01:15:55,434 --> 01:15:58,394
Speaker 4: that off, he needs to go. He and the evaluation

1678
01:15:58,514 --> 01:16:00,634
Speaker 4: staff needed to go after last year's draft. It was

1679
01:16:00,674 --> 01:16:02,994
Speaker 4: obvious to me the day after the draft, and the

1680
01:16:03,034 --> 01:16:05,834
Speaker 4: record proved it. So that's Gary's take.

1681
01:16:06,034 --> 01:16:08,234
Speaker 5: Its obvious to you the day after the draft. You

1682
01:16:08,314 --> 01:16:10,274
Speaker 5: knew the day after the draft that.

1683
01:16:11,234 --> 01:16:14,314
Speaker 6: But those are the kinds of quote unquote plans that

1684
01:16:14,394 --> 01:16:17,354
Speaker 6: I think everybody would agree with. Yeah, trade the pick

1685
01:16:17,434 --> 01:16:20,954
Speaker 6: for a ransom great now get someone to give you

1686
01:16:20,954 --> 01:16:23,954
Speaker 6: a ransom. That's the hard part. I know everybody has

1687
01:16:23,994 --> 01:16:26,994
Speaker 6: the idea, which you know, trade for Dk Metcalf, you

1688
01:16:27,114 --> 01:16:30,194
Speaker 6: trade for Max Crosby, give you know, get a ransom

1689
01:16:30,274 --> 01:16:33,474
Speaker 6: in the drug. Yeah, those are all great plans, I agree,

1690
01:16:33,514 --> 01:16:36,073
Speaker 6: you know, like, is Ronnie Stanley available in free agency

1691
01:16:36,114 --> 01:16:38,034
Speaker 6: for Baltimore? They're not going to resign him. I'll take

1692
01:16:38,074 --> 01:16:41,714
Speaker 6: him too. But that's not like you don't just snap

1693
01:16:41,794 --> 01:16:44,274
Speaker 6: your fingers and all these things happen right like you

1694
01:16:44,314 --> 01:16:46,394
Speaker 6: got to you gotta execute it. What if those guys

1695
01:16:46,394 --> 01:16:47,354
Speaker 6: aren't really available?

1696
01:16:47,554 --> 01:16:49,274
Speaker 7: Is there any world team wants to trade up for

1697
01:16:49,314 --> 01:16:49,914
Speaker 7: Travis Hunter?

1698
01:16:51,594 --> 01:16:51,994
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1699
01:16:52,074 --> 01:16:53,914
Speaker 7: That's easy question because right now I just I don't

1700
01:16:53,914 --> 01:16:56,114
Speaker 7: see it. I think teams are just gonna sit and

1701
01:16:56,154 --> 01:16:58,354
Speaker 7: laugh at the Patriots being the first overall pick and saying,

1702
01:16:58,874 --> 01:17:00,714
Speaker 7: you gotta just make that pick because we're not cheating

1703
01:17:00,794 --> 01:17:02,034
Speaker 7: with you. We're gonna wait.

1704
01:17:01,954 --> 01:17:04,114
Speaker 5: For a quarterback. You're Jacksonville in twenty twenty.

1705
01:17:04,154 --> 01:17:05,914
Speaker 6: And so from my view, I do not see a

1706
01:17:05,914 --> 01:17:09,674
Speaker 6: bidding war unfolding either in this draft. If if I'm

1707
01:17:09,794 --> 01:17:13,314
Speaker 6: to take these guys at their word, they talked a

1708
01:17:13,314 --> 01:17:15,434
Speaker 6: lot differently about the draft last year than they're talking

1709
01:17:15,434 --> 01:17:16,194
Speaker 6: about it this year.

1710
01:17:16,354 --> 01:17:18,794
Speaker 5: This sounds exactly like the twenty twenty two draft, which

1711
01:17:18,834 --> 01:17:21,834
Speaker 5: is my biggest fear. The Jaguars were stuck. They had

1712
01:17:21,874 --> 01:17:24,914
Speaker 5: Trevor Lawrence, but they didn't They had the number one

1713
01:17:24,914 --> 01:17:28,674
Speaker 5: overall pick again, and there wasn't really a consensus number

1714
01:17:28,674 --> 01:17:31,114
Speaker 5: one overall guy in the draft. They end up taking

1715
01:17:31,114 --> 01:17:33,314
Speaker 5: Trayvon Walker. He's a good player, but he's not a

1716
01:17:33,394 --> 01:17:36,554
Speaker 5: number one overall pick player, and so now you know,

1717
01:17:36,634 --> 01:17:38,434
Speaker 5: you don't really get anything out of it. It's not

1718
01:17:38,594 --> 01:17:39,434
Speaker 5: the home That's why.

1719
01:17:39,554 --> 01:17:41,954
Speaker 7: That's why it's like Travis Hunter, like, let's go just

1720
01:17:42,034 --> 01:17:45,234
Speaker 7: I mean, he's a special someone. You know, you can

1721
01:17:45,234 --> 01:17:49,234
Speaker 7: get someone that decides that he is worth a ransom

1722
01:17:49,274 --> 01:17:52,194
Speaker 7: to by all means, I think Gary plan but makes

1723
01:17:52,234 --> 01:17:53,674
Speaker 7: all the sense in the world. I just don't think

1724
01:17:53,674 --> 01:17:56,114
Speaker 7: it's as easy to execute.

1725
01:17:55,194 --> 01:17:58,594
Speaker 5: The only way that Travis Hunter is a draw to

1726
01:17:58,634 --> 01:18:01,114
Speaker 5: trade up to the number one pick is if some

1727
01:18:01,394 --> 01:18:05,034
Speaker 5: ownership group needs the Jersey sales and needs the splash

1728
01:18:05,154 --> 01:18:06,314
Speaker 5: and needs the marketing.

1729
01:18:06,514 --> 01:18:10,274
Speaker 4: That's that's a franchise that's not long for this world.

1730
01:18:10,394 --> 01:18:13,554
Speaker 5: But don't be that franchise, right, Let that be somebody

1731
01:18:13,554 --> 01:18:16,634
Speaker 5: else and maybe, I mean, I think that that's crazy,

1732
01:18:16,714 --> 01:18:19,514
Speaker 5: but like maybe there is a world where somebody says,

1733
01:18:19,554 --> 01:18:21,354
Speaker 5: you know, we're going to draft him because he's going

1734
01:18:21,394 --> 01:18:23,114
Speaker 5: to be a phenom and we're going to be able

1735
01:18:23,154 --> 01:18:23,634
Speaker 5: to sell it.

1736
01:18:23,794 --> 01:18:25,234
Speaker 7: You know, it's got to be And that's part of

1737
01:18:25,274 --> 01:18:27,034
Speaker 7: the appeal to me too, Like I'm not gonna lie,

1738
01:18:27,194 --> 01:18:29,514
Speaker 7: like you need somebody who's gonna put butts and seats

1739
01:18:29,514 --> 01:18:32,754
Speaker 7: in excuse me instantly? Training camp gets more interesting with

1740
01:18:32,794 --> 01:18:33,514
Speaker 7: that guy in the mix.

1741
01:18:33,914 --> 01:18:36,274
Speaker 4: Franklin and Baltimore. I'm glad you guys are covering the

1742
01:18:36,314 --> 01:18:39,114
Speaker 4: Patriots holding the number one draft pick, because I also

1743
01:18:39,194 --> 01:18:42,754
Speaker 4: disagree with most of Patriot's nation believing some team would

1744
01:18:42,794 --> 01:18:45,754
Speaker 4: trade a haul for either Ward or Sanders. The value

1745
01:18:46,074 --> 01:18:48,474
Speaker 4: just isn't there this year, and I expect a QB

1746
01:18:48,554 --> 01:18:52,354
Speaker 4: needy team to overpay for Donald slash trade for McCarthy

1747
01:18:52,594 --> 01:18:54,754
Speaker 4: depending on what the Vikings do, or just stick with

1748
01:18:54,874 --> 01:18:58,714
Speaker 4: a bridge quarterback rather than overdraft one. The Patriots were

1749
01:18:58,834 --> 01:19:01,554
Speaker 4: just a year late holding the number one draft pick.

1750
01:19:01,554 --> 01:19:04,754
Speaker 4: If this were last year, then this conversation would make sense.

1751
01:19:05,314 --> 01:19:09,394
Speaker 7: Well, they would also they would have chosen right right.

1752
01:19:09,514 --> 01:19:12,314
Speaker 5: They got lucky I think that they had. They had

1753
01:19:12,314 --> 01:19:14,234
Speaker 5: the third overall pick and a quarterback draft.

1754
01:19:14,514 --> 01:19:16,994
Speaker 4: Three quarterback, six quarterbacks.

1755
01:19:17,594 --> 01:19:19,874
Speaker 6: It's starting to look now like at least five. They

1756
01:19:19,874 --> 01:19:22,114
Speaker 6: haven't seen McCarthy, but you know, Penix, I thought looked

1757
01:19:22,154 --> 01:19:23,274
Speaker 6: pretty good again the other night.

1758
01:19:23,354 --> 01:19:25,034
Speaker 5: I mean that class last year. We're going to look

1759
01:19:25,034 --> 01:19:26,674
Speaker 5: back on that in ten years and be like, what

1760
01:19:26,794 --> 01:19:27,314
Speaker 5: a draft.

1761
01:19:27,394 --> 01:19:30,554
Speaker 6: I didn't even get to do my time management rant.

1762
01:19:30,634 --> 01:19:32,554
Speaker 6: I'll save that for later. I'll save it for Thursday.

1763
01:19:33,394 --> 01:19:36,314
Speaker 4: John says he's got a report contrary to the Dane

1764
01:19:36,314 --> 01:19:39,354
Speaker 4: Brugler report. First to point out that the quarterbacks would

1765
01:19:39,394 --> 01:19:41,434
Speaker 4: be six or seventh and last year's draft is kind

1766
01:19:41,434 --> 01:19:44,594
Speaker 4: of silly because they're not in last year's draft. They're

1767
01:19:44,594 --> 01:19:49,674
Speaker 4: in this one. I know what he's saying, but that's

1768
01:19:49,714 --> 01:19:51,954
Speaker 4: what you do to continue with that.

1769
01:19:52,194 --> 01:19:54,914
Speaker 6: People just want so much to have something good happen.

1770
01:19:54,994 --> 01:19:57,314
Speaker 6: I get it, because Saturday was depressing.

1771
01:19:57,354 --> 01:20:00,554
Speaker 4: I get it to continue with that. Field Yates, who

1772
01:20:00,554 --> 01:20:04,634
Speaker 4: Evan also respects, and mel Kiper had their mock draft

1773
01:20:04,674 --> 01:20:07,914
Speaker 4: podcast and their feeling is because there's only two quarterbacks

1774
01:20:07,914 --> 01:20:10,274
Speaker 4: in this draft, that makes the market for the first

1775
01:20:10,274 --> 01:20:14,514
Speaker 4: pick even hotter. Yates had Shador and cam Ward around

1776
01:20:14,594 --> 01:20:17,634
Speaker 4: the teens as far as prospects go, but said that

1777
01:20:17,914 --> 01:20:21,754
Speaker 4: a QB needy team may may not giving up a

1778
01:20:21,834 --> 01:20:25,914
Speaker 4: ransom such as what the Bears got, but still be

1779
01:20:25,994 --> 01:20:29,474
Speaker 4: looking at potential future first and maybe a player now

1780
01:20:29,634 --> 01:20:32,994
Speaker 4: to each his own, if players want to draft to play.

1781
01:20:33,114 --> 01:20:37,354
Speaker 4: I don't know what he means by here anyway. Anyway,

1782
01:20:37,394 --> 01:20:40,434
Speaker 4: he's saying that because there's only two, you won't get

1783
01:20:40,434 --> 01:20:42,794
Speaker 4: the King's ransom, but you could get more than you think.

1784
01:20:42,954 --> 01:20:44,954
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean great, Like I hope it happens, Like

1785
01:20:44,994 --> 01:20:48,554
Speaker 5: I really do hope it happens. I just I just

1786
01:20:48,554 --> 01:20:51,554
Speaker 5: don't see it. I don't see these quarterbacks. It's not

1787
01:20:51,594 --> 01:20:54,394
Speaker 5: because you're not just taking the quarterback, like now, you

1788
01:20:54,394 --> 01:20:57,754
Speaker 5: have to factor in if Shador Sanders really worth the

1789
01:20:57,794 --> 01:21:01,274
Speaker 5: first overall pick plus me trading you know, a future

1790
01:21:01,634 --> 01:21:04,154
Speaker 5: first and you know multiple picks for him, like it's

1791
01:21:04,194 --> 01:21:06,914
Speaker 5: a whole package that you're thinking of trading. I just

1792
01:21:07,274 --> 01:21:10,314
Speaker 5: I don't see that in this draft with these quarterbacks.

1793
01:21:10,314 --> 01:21:12,274
Speaker 5: If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and I hope I am

1794
01:21:12,314 --> 01:21:15,394
Speaker 5: for the Patriot's sake, But I just don't see it happening.

1795
01:21:15,554 --> 01:21:17,154
Speaker 7: There's a real part of me that just wonders if

1796
01:21:17,154 --> 01:21:19,034
Speaker 7: they might be better off ending up at five, like

1797
01:21:19,154 --> 01:21:21,354
Speaker 7: if that you know, four, whatever the lowest that they

1798
01:21:21,394 --> 01:21:23,474
Speaker 7: could do. I mean, I just I think a lot

1799
01:21:23,474 --> 01:21:24,954
Speaker 7: of us would be on the same page if you said,

1800
01:21:24,954 --> 01:21:27,674
Speaker 7: all right, they're gonna make a trade. They're gonna come

1801
01:21:27,674 --> 01:21:29,754
Speaker 7: away with Kelvin Banks in the top ten, and they're

1802
01:21:29,794 --> 01:21:32,034
Speaker 7: gonna pick up an extra top one hundred pick this year,

1803
01:21:32,034 --> 01:21:34,274
Speaker 7: and you know whatever is next year. But you know,

1804
01:21:34,314 --> 01:21:36,714
Speaker 7: to go into this in this draft with after round one,

1805
01:21:36,714 --> 01:21:39,594
Speaker 7: you've got to tackle, and you've got a couple picks

1806
01:21:39,674 --> 01:21:42,594
Speaker 7: right away in that second round to work with. I

1807
01:21:42,594 --> 01:21:45,074
Speaker 7: think that, like that's probably my dream scenario right now,

1808
01:21:45,114 --> 01:21:47,354
Speaker 7: and then you can you know, look at receivers and

1809
01:21:47,434 --> 01:21:49,674
Speaker 7: look at edge players and all the other needs that

1810
01:21:49,954 --> 01:21:52,234
Speaker 7: you need. But that's if you lined it up perfectly.

1811
01:21:52,274 --> 01:21:53,074
Speaker 7: I just don't know how to get there.

1812
01:21:53,154 --> 01:21:55,314
Speaker 5: Well, that's why I would just make the trade anyway, Like,

1813
01:21:55,354 --> 01:21:57,394
Speaker 5: even if you're really trading it for less than what

1814
01:21:57,394 --> 01:21:59,874
Speaker 5: it would go for another years, Like, I still just

1815
01:21:59,874 --> 01:22:02,394
Speaker 5: think that the extra draft capital is worth it, right

1816
01:22:02,434 --> 01:22:05,394
Speaker 5: because you're you still want to get You're still gonna

1817
01:22:05,474 --> 01:22:07,954
Speaker 5: draft one of the same players, right, it's still gonna

1818
01:22:07,994 --> 01:22:11,874
Speaker 5: be Banks, Abdul Carter, Ted McMillan, Like it might not

1819
01:22:11,914 --> 01:22:15,034
Speaker 5: be Travis Hunter, but okay, Like you're still drafting out

1820
01:22:15,074 --> 01:22:17,514
Speaker 5: of the same pool at four or five as you

1821
01:22:17,514 --> 01:22:20,594
Speaker 5: would be at one in a non quarterback year. So

1822
01:22:20,634 --> 01:22:23,154
Speaker 5: then get whatever you can for it, like get the

1823
01:22:23,194 --> 01:22:24,354
Speaker 5: extra picks and then if you.

1824
01:22:24,314 --> 01:22:26,594
Speaker 7: Just have to take Banks at four, and like maybe

1825
01:22:26,594 --> 01:22:28,754
Speaker 7: it's a little bit of reach, but like it's a

1826
01:22:28,794 --> 01:22:30,834
Speaker 7: real need and he's a legit left eye.

1827
01:22:30,714 --> 01:22:32,954
Speaker 5: Right, and you're taking Banks at four with what you

1828
01:22:33,034 --> 01:22:36,034
Speaker 5: got in the trade, right, you know, so I still

1829
01:22:36,074 --> 01:22:36,394
Speaker 5: do it.

1830
01:22:36,514 --> 01:22:40,354
Speaker 4: Yeah, Speing Fresno writes in this is funny. After Saturday's calamity,

1831
01:22:40,754 --> 01:22:43,634
Speaker 4: I'm in full off season mode. In that spirit, I'd

1832
01:22:43,674 --> 01:22:46,954
Speaker 4: like to present the following catalog of the most overused

1833
01:22:46,954 --> 01:22:50,274
Speaker 4: words or phrases on the show. Here we go. Paul's

1834
01:22:50,274 --> 01:22:53,194
Speaker 4: most overused word is overly, as in I'm not overly

1835
01:22:53,234 --> 01:22:55,394
Speaker 4: concerned with who they pick in the sixth round or

1836
01:22:55,914 --> 01:22:59,074
Speaker 4: I wasn't overly impressed by you. Two close second is

1837
01:22:59,114 --> 01:23:02,754
Speaker 4: saying I'm sorry when not really sorry about anything. Fred's

1838
01:23:02,754 --> 01:23:05,834
Speaker 4: most overused phrases when I was fourteen, but a close

1839
01:23:05,874 --> 01:23:10,034
Speaker 4: second of his use of uh, as in, let's go

1840
01:23:10,074 --> 01:23:13,434
Speaker 4: to the TPX hotline. Mike's used to be I'm curious,

1841
01:23:13,474 --> 01:23:17,674
Speaker 4: but has become it's just so, followed by a dejected adjective,

1842
01:23:17,754 --> 01:23:21,354
Speaker 4: as in, it's just so disappointing or it's just so frustrating.

1843
01:23:22,034 --> 01:23:24,554
Speaker 6: He says that to me, I'm just so disappointed in you.

1844
01:23:24,594 --> 01:23:28,354
Speaker 4: Paul to Evan's most overused word is right. It's the

1845
01:23:28,394 --> 01:23:31,234
Speaker 4: go to filler word of many intellectual types.

1846
01:23:31,394 --> 01:23:31,554
Speaker 22: Right.

1847
01:23:32,034 --> 01:23:36,234
Speaker 4: Also for Evan, Toyota gets an honorable mention. Alex's is

1848
01:23:36,314 --> 01:23:41,234
Speaker 4: anything synonymous with manifest Second place goes to the Chief Chiefs.

1849
01:23:42,794 --> 01:23:47,034
Speaker 6: That Alex Alex, Alex Alex Francisco.

1850
01:23:46,594 --> 01:23:50,834
Speaker 4: Okay, Tamara is any sports cliche as in, you gotta

1851
01:23:50,914 --> 01:23:53,074
Speaker 4: leave it all on the field, or that's why they

1852
01:23:53,074 --> 01:23:58,074
Speaker 4: play the game. No socks is correct, I'm not giving

1853
01:23:58,114 --> 01:24:00,394
Speaker 4: Marine one because he still owes me a T shirt.

1854
01:24:00,914 --> 01:24:05,114
Speaker 4: Andy's was horrific, though truly his most overused expressions were

1855
01:24:05,114 --> 01:24:09,034
Speaker 4: gaseous in nature. That's true. Eric's was nothing because he

1856
01:24:09,194 --> 01:24:13,674
Speaker 4: said anything, because he never said anything. Todds is everything

1857
01:24:13,754 --> 01:24:16,954
Speaker 4: he says because he says nothing. For Patty, I can't

1858
01:24:16,954 --> 01:24:20,354
Speaker 4: tell because he's too effing wasted, and nick Baby loves

1859
01:24:20,434 --> 01:24:23,154
Speaker 4: is Cappy to poopy Cappo, because we all know it's

1860
01:24:23,194 --> 01:24:26,474
Speaker 4: okay to make fun of Italians others in consideration, we're

1861
01:24:26,474 --> 01:24:30,194
Speaker 4: Biggie's horn toots, Christians all right, sweet kids up, y'all,

1862
01:24:30,514 --> 01:24:33,674
Speaker 4: and Hardy's crusty laugh. But those aren't overused since they're

1863
01:24:33,714 --> 01:24:37,354
Speaker 4: all always awesome. It's kind of like a New Year's

1864
01:24:37,394 --> 01:24:40,834
Speaker 4: rap for it. A little bit, A little bit tps

1865
01:24:40,914 --> 01:24:43,274
Speaker 4: houtline A five to five past five hundred. Let's see

1866
01:24:43,314 --> 01:24:49,554
Speaker 4: what's going on over there. We'll start with Nelson in Louisiana.

1867
01:24:49,634 --> 01:24:52,154
Speaker 4: What's up Nelson? Or is that La La? I'm sorry,

1868
01:24:53,394 --> 01:24:58,954
Speaker 4: what's up Nelson? Nelson? He's not there? All right, We'll

1869
01:24:58,954 --> 01:25:03,274
Speaker 4: go down to Florida where Zach is waiting. What's up Zach?

1870
01:25:04,914 --> 01:25:07,994
Speaker 26: Hey, guys, hope you're all doing well. I don't usually

1871
01:25:07,994 --> 01:25:10,714
Speaker 26: get a call in or watch live, so if you've

1872
01:25:10,754 --> 01:25:13,154
Speaker 26: covered this already, my apologies. I had one quick question

1873
01:25:13,194 --> 01:25:16,874
Speaker 26: and then a mini rant i'll take offline. The first is,

1874
01:25:16,994 --> 01:25:18,874
Speaker 26: I know the draft doesn't actually work this way, but

1875
01:25:18,874 --> 01:25:21,114
Speaker 26: if we could add one of Malik neighbors or Joe

1876
01:25:21,154 --> 01:25:22,834
Speaker 26: Alt to the team, right, now, who do you think

1877
01:25:22,874 --> 01:25:25,834
Speaker 26: would have made a bigger impact this season, And then

1878
01:25:25,874 --> 01:25:27,674
Speaker 26: if you guys want to apply that to the receivers

1879
01:25:27,674 --> 01:25:30,354
Speaker 26: and the tackles in this year strapped as well. I

1880
01:25:30,394 --> 01:25:32,834
Speaker 26: know we'll add more through free agency and then through

1881
01:25:33,034 --> 01:25:35,154
Speaker 26: the rest of our draft picks. But I actually think

1882
01:25:35,154 --> 01:25:37,554
Speaker 26: the answer might be Neighbors. I just feel like the

1883
01:25:37,554 --> 01:25:40,594
Speaker 26: way he makes plays and is able to score touchdowns

1884
01:25:40,594 --> 01:25:42,594
Speaker 26: from anywhere on the field would be a huge thing

1885
01:25:42,634 --> 01:25:45,114
Speaker 26: for Drake and this team to have. And then the

1886
01:25:45,234 --> 01:25:47,674
Speaker 26: rank I have is there's two things you can always

1887
01:25:47,674 --> 01:25:49,474
Speaker 26: be regardless of the talent you have on the team,

1888
01:25:49,514 --> 01:25:50,794
Speaker 26: and that's prepared and confident.

1889
01:25:51,474 --> 01:25:52,114
Speaker 24: I don't get a.

1890
01:25:52,074 --> 01:25:54,394
Speaker 26: Call, so some of this is older news, but this

1891
01:25:54,434 --> 01:25:57,034
Speaker 26: team clearly lacks confidence, which I think is on display

1892
01:25:57,074 --> 01:26:00,114
Speaker 26: by Drawn Mayo after the Cardinals game coming out and

1893
01:26:00,194 --> 01:26:02,714
Speaker 26: just listing a bunch of stats and how the game

1894
01:26:02,794 --> 01:26:05,354
Speaker 26: was closer than it actually felt. And it feels like

1895
01:26:05,514 --> 01:26:07,514
Speaker 26: we don't have confidence that we're doing the right thing,

1896
01:26:07,634 --> 01:26:10,634
Speaker 26: so we have to over justify what we're doing to get.

1897
01:26:10,514 --> 01:26:11,154
Speaker 24: To that point.

1898
01:26:11,674 --> 01:26:14,834
Speaker 26: And two is the lack of preparation. I feel like

1899
01:26:14,874 --> 01:26:17,634
Speaker 26: that's on display most weeks, whether it's the Titans game,

1900
01:26:17,674 --> 01:26:19,914
Speaker 26: not electing to go with the win, change in overtime,

1901
01:26:20,034 --> 01:26:22,714
Speaker 26: or other things that have happened along the season. I'm

1902
01:26:22,714 --> 01:26:25,114
Speaker 26: not a fire Mayo guy one hundred percent, but I

1903
01:26:25,354 --> 01:26:27,354
Speaker 26: just don't know how you can justify two elements that

1904
01:26:27,394 --> 01:26:30,514
Speaker 26: are essential to get good teams being completely void on

1905
01:26:30,554 --> 01:26:33,194
Speaker 26: this team and feeling confident that those two elements are

1906
01:26:33,194 --> 01:26:35,554
Speaker 26: going to start to show up. And that's everything I have.

1907
01:26:35,634 --> 01:26:37,314
Speaker 26: I'll take it off the line, guys, thanks.

1908
01:26:37,114 --> 01:26:39,154
Speaker 4: Z that good call.

1909
01:26:39,474 --> 01:26:42,474
Speaker 5: You get confidence by winning and having success, So I

1910
01:26:42,474 --> 01:26:45,034
Speaker 5: think it's hard to have confidence when you're three and thirteen.

1911
01:26:45,274 --> 01:26:47,754
Speaker 4: What about the other part, preparation, and yeah, that.

1912
01:26:48,114 --> 01:26:51,274
Speaker 5: I agree with. I mean, I think preparation and just

1913
01:26:51,394 --> 01:26:54,714
Speaker 5: overall direction are big problems.

1914
01:26:55,034 --> 01:26:58,874
Speaker 6: So I would say that the preparation has been very inconsistent.

1915
01:26:59,714 --> 01:27:03,114
Speaker 6: Like I think the Buffalo game. You come out, you

1916
01:27:03,234 --> 01:27:05,034
Speaker 6: drive right down the field and score, and then you

1917
01:27:05,074 --> 01:27:06,594
Speaker 6: come up with a stop and you drive right down

1918
01:27:06,634 --> 01:27:10,274
Speaker 6: the field and score again. That's good preparation. But then

1919
01:27:10,274 --> 01:27:13,154
Speaker 6: you get the game like this past one, where you

1920
01:27:13,194 --> 01:27:15,634
Speaker 6: can't even move the ball for the first half of

1921
01:27:15,674 --> 01:27:18,274
Speaker 6: the game and the other team's going right down the field.

1922
01:27:18,274 --> 01:27:21,114
Speaker 6: So I think it's been wildly inconsistent. There have been

1923
01:27:21,154 --> 01:27:23,874
Speaker 6: games that I thought early in the game they looked

1924
01:27:24,314 --> 01:27:27,834
Speaker 6: pretty good offense, and then it got progressively worse than

1925
01:27:27,834 --> 01:27:30,314
Speaker 6: there for obvious reasons, right, Like you come up with

1926
01:27:30,354 --> 01:27:33,874
Speaker 6: a good plan. That means you tricked them a little

1927
01:27:33,874 --> 01:27:36,154
Speaker 6: bit for a while, and you overcame your lack of talent.

1928
01:27:36,674 --> 01:27:38,714
Speaker 6: They adjust, and then you don't really have any talents.

1929
01:27:38,714 --> 01:27:41,754
Speaker 4: Listen, we talked about it earlier. They're just not that good.

1930
01:27:42,034 --> 01:27:44,594
Speaker 6: Neighbors or Alt? Who would have made the bigger impact?

1931
01:27:44,954 --> 01:27:45,594
Speaker 3: Go Neighbors.

1932
01:27:45,674 --> 01:27:49,074
Speaker 5: I'd say Neighbors probably makes the biggest year one impact

1933
01:27:49,274 --> 01:27:51,634
Speaker 5: I would have. I would prefer Joe Alt in terms

1934
01:27:51,674 --> 01:27:52,594
Speaker 5: of the long term.

1935
01:27:52,474 --> 01:27:53,394
Speaker 6: He's more cerebral.

1936
01:27:53,834 --> 01:27:56,434
Speaker 5: But I agree, I agree that year one, you know,

1937
01:27:56,474 --> 01:27:58,634
Speaker 5: Neighbors probably would have been more splashy and would have

1938
01:27:58,634 --> 01:28:01,074
Speaker 5: made more plays. But how many wins did the Giants

1939
01:28:01,114 --> 01:28:02,154
Speaker 5: have with Molik Neighbors?

1940
01:28:02,234 --> 01:28:04,274
Speaker 6: No, I don't think it would have made a huge

1941
01:28:04,314 --> 01:28:06,874
Speaker 6: impact on the team. Yeah, per se.

1942
01:28:07,034 --> 01:28:09,354
Speaker 5: But having you know, you wouldn't have Drake Anne neighbors.

1943
01:28:09,354 --> 01:28:11,754
Speaker 5: But in a dream world where you had Drakenn Neighbors,

1944
01:28:11,754 --> 01:28:13,994
Speaker 5: that would be awesome to like move forward with both

1945
01:28:14,034 --> 01:28:15,714
Speaker 5: those guys. I agree with that.

1946
01:28:16,234 --> 01:28:19,594
Speaker 4: Cameron thinks that new uniforms will heal all, so we

1947
01:28:19,634 --> 01:28:21,634
Speaker 4: need new uniforms to heal.

1948
01:28:21,674 --> 01:28:23,194
Speaker 6: This Cameron aka Mike.

1949
01:28:23,714 --> 01:28:26,834
Speaker 7: I'm not willing to loud that, you know, I mean

1950
01:28:26,874 --> 01:28:28,514
Speaker 7: I got a whole take on the uniforms that like

1951
01:28:28,514 --> 01:28:31,114
Speaker 7: they're like a symptom of like why things need to

1952
01:28:31,114 --> 01:28:34,474
Speaker 7: be fixed around here, because the uniforms, you know, we

1953
01:28:34,554 --> 01:28:36,954
Speaker 7: joke about do we like them or not, but like,

1954
01:28:37,074 --> 01:28:38,914
Speaker 7: no matter how you feelbout how they look, like they've

1955
01:28:38,914 --> 01:28:41,434
Speaker 7: just been kind of Frankenstein together. Like this year we're like, hey,

1956
01:28:41,514 --> 01:28:43,034
Speaker 7: let's what if we did these pants with that one?

1957
01:28:43,074 --> 01:28:48,554
Speaker 7: Like there's no real like thought or plan uniforms. So

1958
01:28:49,074 --> 01:28:49,954
Speaker 7: it's kind of a metaphor.

1959
01:28:50,034 --> 01:28:51,674
Speaker 4: I might have hit on it for the whole team

1960
01:28:52,074 --> 01:28:53,634
Speaker 4: of like it might be the key.

1961
01:28:53,714 --> 01:28:54,274
Speaker 7: Have you guys been.

1962
01:28:54,234 --> 01:28:55,674
Speaker 5: Seriously No, I'm dead serious.

1963
01:28:55,994 --> 01:29:02,074
Speaker 6: I had to blow up everything because if.

1964
01:29:01,034 --> 01:29:03,434
Speaker 7: Just I mean even go into like sometimes the wrong

1965
01:29:03,554 --> 01:29:09,154
Speaker 7: numbers are on and people are like the font's wrong

1966
01:29:09,194 --> 01:29:11,314
Speaker 7: on the back sometimes like it's just to me, it

1967
01:29:11,514 --> 01:29:14,714
Speaker 7: speaks to like the uniforms have been Frankenstein. This whole

1968
01:29:14,794 --> 01:29:17,314
Speaker 7: kind of operation has kind of been Frankenstein with pieces

1969
01:29:17,314 --> 01:29:20,034
Speaker 7: from Bill and pieces from Gerard, and I don't know,

1970
01:29:20,034 --> 01:29:21,314
Speaker 7: it's just representative the whole thing.

1971
01:29:21,354 --> 01:29:21,954
Speaker 5: To me, it's great.

1972
01:29:22,074 --> 01:29:23,554
Speaker 4: I think you might be onto something there.

1973
01:29:23,594 --> 01:29:24,274
Speaker 7: I appreciate it.

1974
01:29:25,354 --> 01:29:28,714
Speaker 4: Matt says, I disagree with Paul beating the Bill Sunday

1975
01:29:28,794 --> 01:29:31,674
Speaker 4: is meaningless. Who cares if they beat the Bill's second

1976
01:29:31,714 --> 01:29:34,194
Speaker 4: string and a worst case Travis Hunter is the only

1977
01:29:34,234 --> 01:29:37,114
Speaker 4: can't miss prospect, and picking one assurance at least you

1978
01:29:37,194 --> 01:29:40,394
Speaker 4: get that in the best case someone gives you something

1979
01:29:40,434 --> 01:29:43,954
Speaker 4: for number one pick because they want a quarterback. Even

1980
01:29:43,994 --> 01:29:46,554
Speaker 4: a one and a two is better than picking at four.

1981
01:29:47,354 --> 01:29:48,634
Speaker 6: So how do you disagree with me?

1982
01:29:49,074 --> 01:29:49,554
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1983
01:29:49,634 --> 01:29:51,514
Speaker 6: I don't think there's any meaning in beating the Bills

1984
01:29:51,514 --> 01:29:52,034
Speaker 6: on Sunday.

1985
01:29:52,154 --> 01:29:55,954
Speaker 7: No, I just I realize though, it's you. If you

1986
01:29:56,074 --> 01:29:58,714
Speaker 7: just accept and you're okay with the Patriots selecting Travis Hunter,

1987
01:29:58,754 --> 01:30:00,994
Speaker 7: I think it'll be a peaceful spring. But it might

1988
01:30:01,034 --> 01:30:03,314
Speaker 7: be more beneficial to take the stance of like, nope,

1989
01:30:03,514 --> 01:30:05,674
Speaker 7: wrong pick, Nope, don't want them, because I think there

1990
01:30:05,674 --> 01:30:08,114
Speaker 7: are a lot of Travis Hunter stands out there that

1991
01:30:08,154 --> 01:30:10,874
Speaker 7: would really get fired up by those like, yeah, how

1992
01:30:10,914 --> 01:30:12,914
Speaker 7: can you not love him? You know, I do.

1993
01:30:12,994 --> 01:30:13,194
Speaker 22: I do.

1994
01:30:13,314 --> 01:30:14,114
Speaker 7: I'm on your team.

1995
01:30:14,154 --> 01:30:16,034
Speaker 5: But I pushed back on the camp miss thing a

1996
01:30:16,074 --> 01:30:19,394
Speaker 5: little bit Travis Hunter. Yeah, because i'd where's he playing?

1997
01:30:19,834 --> 01:30:23,554
Speaker 5: Like that's such a major factor in him as a

1998
01:30:23,594 --> 01:30:27,674
Speaker 5: player that that in itself is a complication that could lead.

1999
01:30:27,594 --> 01:30:30,994
Speaker 4: See I think to me, in what I've seen of him,

2000
01:30:30,994 --> 01:30:34,714
Speaker 4: and I haven't crushed it like you have, he's shown

2001
01:30:35,354 --> 01:30:40,114
Speaker 4: the attributes of an elite corner. Yes, so you bring

2002
01:30:40,154 --> 01:30:42,874
Speaker 4: him in and he plays prows. Yeah, so you bring

2003
01:30:42,914 --> 01:30:44,754
Speaker 4: him in and your play corner. Now you're in a

2004
01:30:44,754 --> 01:30:47,914
Speaker 4: position where you've got too maybe all pro but certainly

2005
01:30:47,914 --> 01:30:50,194
Speaker 4: Pro Bowl corners on your team. And when it comes

2006
01:30:50,234 --> 01:30:52,954
Speaker 4: time to make a decision, if you don't want to

2007
01:30:52,954 --> 01:30:57,074
Speaker 4: pay both of them, now you've got trade fodder to,

2008
01:30:57,554 --> 01:30:59,554
Speaker 4: you know, to keep building your team.

2009
01:30:59,954 --> 01:31:04,434
Speaker 5: I just worried about if it's this coaching staff and

2010
01:31:04,474 --> 01:31:07,914
Speaker 5: it's this regime, Like getting that right is a factor.

2011
01:31:08,074 --> 01:31:10,354
Speaker 5: Like I'm not saying that they won't necessarily I don't

2012
01:31:10,394 --> 01:31:11,634
Speaker 5: have a lot of faith, but I'm not saying that

2013
01:31:11,674 --> 01:31:15,434
Speaker 5: they won't. But like it's not the talent that's that's

2014
01:31:15,514 --> 01:31:19,234
Speaker 5: like holding me up. It's that's a lot like that's

2015
01:31:19,234 --> 01:31:21,514
Speaker 5: gonna be a lot to negotiate and a lot to

2016
01:31:22,114 --> 01:31:22,634
Speaker 5: sort of make.

2017
01:31:22,914 --> 01:31:24,954
Speaker 4: Then you're worried about anyone they bring in, you know,

2018
01:31:25,394 --> 01:31:26,994
Speaker 4: at at the top pick or.

2019
01:31:27,794 --> 01:31:30,274
Speaker 5: No, not really though, because if you draft Kelvin Banks,

2020
01:31:30,314 --> 01:31:32,594
Speaker 5: like you know, he's playing left tackle, if you draft

2021
01:31:32,634 --> 01:31:34,754
Speaker 5: Abdul Carter, he's coming off the edge, like you you

2022
01:31:34,874 --> 01:31:36,194
Speaker 5: know where these guys are gonna play.

2023
01:31:36,314 --> 01:31:39,194
Speaker 6: So have you had all been concerned with people talking

2024
01:31:39,194 --> 01:31:42,594
Speaker 6: about Banks like I heard other people earlier talking about

2025
01:31:42,674 --> 01:31:46,394
Speaker 6: Campbell as a guard because I hadn't heard that at all,

2026
01:31:46,514 --> 01:31:48,994
Speaker 6: and that sort of made the rounds last last.

2027
01:31:50,154 --> 01:31:52,954
Speaker 5: This is one of my biggest pet peeves is that

2028
01:31:54,154 --> 01:31:57,034
Speaker 5: we get into the draft and every tackle is a guard.

2029
01:31:57,474 --> 01:32:01,154
Speaker 5: Every tackle he's gonna move inside to guard Like okay,

2030
01:32:01,274 --> 01:32:05,514
Speaker 5: well hold on for a second, Like what is your

2031
01:32:05,554 --> 01:32:09,754
Speaker 5: reasoning for moving him inside? Because Campbell, Okay, you can

2032
01:32:09,794 --> 01:32:12,834
Speaker 5: point to the arm light. That's a legitimate reason maybe,

2033
01:32:13,194 --> 01:32:15,674
Speaker 5: But with Banks, I don't see a legitimate reason.

2034
01:32:15,794 --> 01:32:16,914
Speaker 6: He looks typical.

2035
01:32:17,954 --> 01:32:18,634
Speaker 5: I don't see it.

2036
01:32:20,914 --> 01:32:21,074
Speaker 7: Now.

2037
01:32:21,114 --> 01:32:23,274
Speaker 5: Do I think that he's going to be Joe Alt

2038
01:32:23,354 --> 01:32:26,234
Speaker 5: or the next Joe Thomas or whatever? Not necessarily, but

2039
01:32:26,274 --> 01:32:28,794
Speaker 5: I just don't see why we have to move him inside.

2040
01:32:29,114 --> 01:32:31,914
Speaker 5: And with Campbell, like, if he measures in at thirty

2041
01:32:31,914 --> 01:32:34,674
Speaker 5: two and seven eighths and the threshold is thirty three,

2042
01:32:35,394 --> 01:32:38,594
Speaker 5: you're telling me that he automatically has to play guard now, Like,

2043
01:32:38,634 --> 01:32:40,514
Speaker 5: we're not even gonna give him a chance to see

2044
01:32:40,554 --> 01:32:41,434
Speaker 5: if he can play tackle.

2045
01:32:41,434 --> 01:32:44,154
Speaker 4: But first, Like I think I remember talking to Dante

2046
01:32:44,434 --> 01:32:48,714
Speaker 4: and one of the most important things he said was footwork. Yeah,

2047
01:32:48,754 --> 01:32:52,594
Speaker 4: it's how how your feet work is, keeping in position,

2048
01:32:52,794 --> 01:32:55,954
Speaker 4: keeping your base. You can make up for, you know,

2049
01:32:56,234 --> 01:32:58,194
Speaker 4: a tenth of an inch in your arm if your

2050
01:32:58,234 --> 01:32:59,154
Speaker 4: footwork is good.

2051
01:32:59,514 --> 01:33:02,314
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I think we do this way too often,

2052
01:33:02,314 --> 01:33:04,114
Speaker 5: and I think the league does it. And then they

2053
01:33:04,234 --> 01:33:06,994
Speaker 5: look around and they're like, we have no tackles. It's like, yeah,

2054
01:33:07,034 --> 01:33:10,354
Speaker 5: because you moved all the college tackles inside to guard right,

2055
01:33:10,394 --> 01:33:11,914
Speaker 5: and so then you end up being a team like

2056
01:33:11,954 --> 01:33:15,754
Speaker 5: the Titans that draft back to back offensive lineman because

2057
01:33:15,754 --> 01:33:19,994
Speaker 5: Skearansky you move, you automatically defaulted to moving him inside.

2058
01:33:20,194 --> 01:33:22,674
Speaker 5: So now the next year you have to draft another tackle.

2059
01:33:23,074 --> 01:33:26,194
Speaker 5: You know, it's like, let's let them fail outside.

2060
01:33:25,834 --> 01:33:30,674
Speaker 4: First, you know, developing players, it's all about like does

2061
01:33:30,714 --> 01:33:35,114
Speaker 4: the NFL have enough good quality coaches to develop these people.

2062
01:33:35,354 --> 01:33:37,434
Speaker 4: Bubba says, I can't believe what I'm hearing from Fred

2063
01:33:37,434 --> 01:33:40,114
Speaker 4: and Mike. We need an NFL caliber O line and

2064
01:33:40,114 --> 01:33:43,034
Speaker 4: wide receivers. Those are priorities. The rest is nice. To

2065
01:33:43,074 --> 01:33:46,954
Speaker 4: have defensive tackle and edge rushers are nice, but without

2066
01:33:46,954 --> 01:33:49,554
Speaker 4: an O line and wide receivers, we're wasting Drake's talent.

2067
01:33:49,914 --> 01:33:52,634
Speaker 4: We have a good long term solution a quarterback. Let's

2068
01:33:52,674 --> 01:33:56,194
Speaker 4: building that. Please leave the nonsense in twenty twenty four.

2069
01:33:56,594 --> 01:33:58,954
Speaker 7: Oh all right, so we're not going to touch the

2070
01:33:59,194 --> 01:34:01,194
Speaker 7: worst defense in league. It's that's good. We'll just get

2071
01:34:01,234 --> 01:34:02,834
Speaker 7: some tackles and wide receivers.

2072
01:34:02,514 --> 01:34:04,634
Speaker 4: And we're going to crowbar guys that may not be

2073
01:34:04,714 --> 01:34:08,154
Speaker 4: as good because it's an issue of need. No, you

2074
01:34:08,234 --> 01:34:09,234
Speaker 4: take the best players.

2075
01:34:09,394 --> 01:34:12,794
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I've been watching this defense all year

2076
01:34:12,834 --> 01:34:14,714
Speaker 5: and they have needs on that side of the back.

2077
01:34:14,754 --> 01:34:19,114
Speaker 6: They need everything except quarterback.

2078
01:34:18,874 --> 01:34:19,674
Speaker 5: And corner one.

2079
01:34:20,274 --> 01:34:27,754
Speaker 4: They have one corner yep, I'll allow tpx hutline and

2080
01:34:27,834 --> 01:34:30,314
Speaker 4: they have, but they have bigger They have two players

2081
01:34:30,314 --> 01:34:32,394
Speaker 4: that people would say we have answers to the cut.

2082
01:34:32,794 --> 01:34:35,274
Speaker 6: There's fifty three spots. We have two that people feel

2083
01:34:35,314 --> 01:34:39,274
Speaker 6: good about, and we're getting bitchy, getting picky what you

2084
01:34:39,314 --> 01:34:42,034
Speaker 6: guys want and as opposed to what Evan and I want,

2085
01:34:42,154 --> 01:34:44,194
Speaker 6: Like they can pick anything.

2086
01:34:44,274 --> 01:34:46,114
Speaker 5: But I'm also on Fred's side of the street a

2087
01:34:46,154 --> 01:34:49,474
Speaker 5: little bit of Like Mike on would be a perfectly

2088
01:34:49,474 --> 01:34:52,714
Speaker 5: serviceable right now. Yeah, if they had real talent that

2089
01:34:52,714 --> 01:34:55,994
Speaker 5: that we're making the work game changer talent, yes, right,

2090
01:34:56,074 --> 01:34:58,194
Speaker 5: like if you had you know, Hunter Henry is a

2091
01:34:58,194 --> 01:35:01,114
Speaker 5: perfectly capable starting tight end in the NFL. I think

2092
01:35:01,114 --> 01:35:03,834
Speaker 5: Remandre is a decent running back. They just don't have

2093
01:35:03,874 --> 01:35:06,154
Speaker 5: the game changers. Yeah, they don't have the needle movers.

2094
01:35:06,314 --> 01:35:09,394
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, this players of this team I keep, but

2095
01:35:09,434 --> 01:35:12,234
Speaker 4: they're not. Now we need to get into contextion, like.

2096
01:35:12,234 --> 01:35:14,514
Speaker 7: I mean, like these like anphony. Jennings is an example,

2097
01:35:14,594 --> 01:35:16,554
Speaker 7: like yeah, that guy can set the edge in the

2098
01:35:16,634 --> 01:35:20,754
Speaker 7: NFL like that, you know, for whatever it's worth issue.

2099
01:35:20,514 --> 01:35:22,834
Speaker 6: I don't know. He's He's another He's another member of

2100
01:35:22,914 --> 01:35:24,634
Speaker 6: the front seven that can't stop the run. On his

2101
01:35:24,754 --> 01:35:26,034
Speaker 6: job is to stop the run.

2102
01:35:26,514 --> 01:35:27,714
Speaker 5: He does his job.

2103
01:35:27,794 --> 01:35:29,834
Speaker 6: He sometimes sometimes he.

2104
01:35:29,794 --> 01:35:32,394
Speaker 7: Does his job, Paul, you're gonna let us have this.

2105
01:35:32,554 --> 01:35:34,634
Speaker 7: He didn't do can stop the run.

2106
01:35:34,954 --> 01:35:36,074
Speaker 6: He had an awful game in.

2107
01:35:36,034 --> 01:35:38,594
Speaker 7: BA, but he's a rotational piece, right, Like he's a

2108
01:35:38,634 --> 01:35:41,674
Speaker 7: third edge guy. He's a third guy that like, all right,

2109
01:35:41,714 --> 01:35:44,754
Speaker 7: he's gonna prop a little early down, you know, and

2110
01:35:44,794 --> 01:35:47,114
Speaker 7: that's a piece. But so if you get two edge

2111
01:35:47,154 --> 01:35:48,794
Speaker 7: guys and you know you have your you know, your

2112
01:35:48,874 --> 01:35:50,874
Speaker 7: judea On and your McGinnis or whoever it is, then

2113
01:35:51,194 --> 01:35:52,834
Speaker 7: you know, then all right, if you're Jenny's a nice

2114
01:35:52,834 --> 01:35:54,234
Speaker 7: little piece and he's gonna come in and play a

2115
01:35:54,274 --> 01:35:55,954
Speaker 7: good role for you, and you know, and you're not

2116
01:35:55,994 --> 01:35:58,034
Speaker 7: asking him is to do as much you're not asking.

2117
01:35:59,434 --> 01:35:59,474
Speaker 4: That.

2118
01:35:59,714 --> 01:36:01,594
Speaker 6: This is why I agree with you, Mike. I think

2119
01:36:01,634 --> 01:36:04,194
Speaker 6: that like if you you can sell me that wide

2120
01:36:04,194 --> 01:36:07,314
Speaker 6: receivers is the biggest need, left tackles the biggest need.

2121
01:36:07,754 --> 01:36:09,874
Speaker 6: Edge rusher is the big you can sell me on

2122
01:36:09,914 --> 01:36:11,834
Speaker 6: any of these. So that's why I just say you

2123
01:36:11,914 --> 01:36:15,114
Speaker 6: need to evaluate the players and decide which guy you

2124
01:36:15,234 --> 01:36:17,114
Speaker 6: think is the most talented player who's going to have

2125
01:36:17,154 --> 01:36:20,914
Speaker 6: the best career, and pick them because they need to

2126
01:36:20,914 --> 01:36:22,274
Speaker 6: fill a hole everywhere.

2127
01:36:22,394 --> 01:36:24,714
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would also say, like to your point, he

2128
01:36:24,834 --> 01:36:27,394
Speaker 5: is about Anthony Jennings. I think with Bill he was

2129
01:36:27,434 --> 01:36:31,754
Speaker 5: so good at you know, being really hyper specific about roles, right,

2130
01:36:31,834 --> 01:36:35,474
Speaker 5: so he had instead of getting like one really good

2131
01:36:35,554 --> 01:36:38,474
Speaker 5: three down edge rusher, you know, they had Anthony Jennings

2132
01:36:38,474 --> 01:36:41,354
Speaker 5: and Josh j So Anthony Jennings would play on early

2133
01:36:41,394 --> 01:36:44,394
Speaker 5: downs and would play on third downs and they would rotate.

2134
01:36:44,634 --> 01:36:47,154
Speaker 5: Whereas with this team now, with this coaching staff, I

2135
01:36:47,154 --> 01:36:49,274
Speaker 5: feel like they just need to get dudes like I

2136
01:36:49,554 --> 01:36:50,154
Speaker 5: don't think that.

2137
01:36:50,594 --> 01:36:52,554
Speaker 6: Was on the team this year. Do you remember that.

2138
01:36:53,074 --> 01:36:54,554
Speaker 5: I just don't think that they can do it that

2139
01:36:54,594 --> 01:36:58,074
Speaker 5: way anymore. I think Bill had a really unique skill

2140
01:36:58,114 --> 01:37:00,594
Speaker 5: of being able to piece it together and knowing how

2141
01:37:00,634 --> 01:37:03,114
Speaker 5: to use everybody exactly how they need to be used.

2142
01:37:03,114 --> 01:37:05,234
Speaker 5: I think you just need to draft Abdul Carter and

2143
01:37:05,274 --> 01:37:06,634
Speaker 5: hope that he can play on all three downs.

2144
01:37:06,914 --> 01:37:10,954
Speaker 4: That's why some of draft Bill's draft picks story about him.

2145
01:37:10,994 --> 01:37:13,394
Speaker 4: Some of Bill's draft picks, so, you know, kind of

2146
01:37:13,434 --> 01:37:17,834
Speaker 4: like head scratching, because he wanted players who he could.

2147
01:37:17,634 --> 01:37:21,194
Speaker 7: Use like chess pieces, role specific, right, But then you

2148
01:37:21,394 --> 01:37:22,914
Speaker 7: end up where you're kind of at this year. We

2149
01:37:22,914 --> 01:37:25,554
Speaker 7: have a bunch of different role pieces, but you can't

2150
01:37:25,594 --> 01:37:28,674
Speaker 7: put them together to just play fundamental defense when you

2151
01:37:28,754 --> 01:37:31,194
Speaker 7: need to, Like, you know, I think that's the biggest

2152
01:37:31,194 --> 01:37:32,594
Speaker 7: thing I've seen this year. They just i mean, they

2153
01:37:32,594 --> 01:37:34,034
Speaker 7: have nothing to hang their hat on. They don't take

2154
01:37:34,034 --> 01:37:35,914
Speaker 7: the ball away, they don't stop the run, they don't

2155
01:37:35,994 --> 01:37:38,394
Speaker 7: rush the passer. They're just they're kind of out there getting.

2156
01:37:38,114 --> 01:37:40,714
Speaker 6: Pushed and then like the offensive line for all the talk,

2157
01:37:40,794 --> 01:37:43,314
Speaker 6: you know, and people are going to be laughing because

2158
01:37:43,354 --> 01:37:46,994
Speaker 6: I'm always the guy. Yeah, just figured that out. Mike

2159
01:37:47,074 --> 01:37:49,514
Speaker 6: Reese tweets out today that they're dead land and whatever.

2160
01:37:49,554 --> 01:37:54,034
Speaker 6: The ESPN rankings are dead last in both like.

2161
01:37:54,754 --> 01:37:58,434
Speaker 5: Like across the board, like whether you use win rate PFF.

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01:37:58,074 --> 01:38:03,314
Speaker 6: Grow win rating, like run block win rate in past

2163
01:38:03,314 --> 01:38:06,634
Speaker 6: block win rate dead last the worst offensive. Now there

2164
01:38:06,634 --> 01:38:09,674
Speaker 6: are teams that are you know, somehow find a way

2165
01:38:09,674 --> 01:38:15,994
Speaker 6: to do things despite that, like Cincinnatienties. Yeah, just you

2166
01:38:16,074 --> 01:38:18,193
Speaker 6: gotta get just be serviceable.

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01:38:18,234 --> 01:38:20,554
Speaker 7: Right, It's i mean, it's kind of special in a

2168
01:38:20,594 --> 01:38:23,834
Speaker 7: negative way to be this poorly ranked and everything. Like

2169
01:38:23,874 --> 01:38:25,714
Speaker 7: even you know some of the past page it seems

2170
01:38:25,714 --> 01:38:27,154
Speaker 7: like they'd be bad at a couple of things, but

2171
01:38:27,594 --> 01:38:29,034
Speaker 7: you knew they'd always have a couple of things that

2172
01:38:29,074 --> 01:38:29,554
Speaker 7: they did well.

2173
01:38:30,194 --> 01:38:33,914
Speaker 4: Jar Jared District of Columbia, what's up, Jared?

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01:38:35,434 --> 01:38:37,314
Speaker 24: Thank guys, how's it going?

2175
01:38:38,914 --> 01:38:39,114
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:38:39,114 --> 01:38:43,314
Speaker 24: I just wanted to point out the draft.

2177
01:38:42,474 --> 01:38:45,954
Speaker 22: Is like three D tests, right, you got you have the.

2178
01:38:45,834 --> 01:38:49,514
Speaker 24: Best players available for your team and the opponent's team.

2179
01:38:49,594 --> 01:38:52,314
Speaker 24: So sometimes it's on record GM saying that they'll take

2180
01:38:52,314 --> 01:38:54,073
Speaker 24: a guy just so another team doesn't.

2181
01:38:53,874 --> 01:38:54,354
Speaker 22: Take a guy.

2182
01:38:55,354 --> 01:38:59,154
Speaker 24: I proposed that. I proposed an idea of dang within

2183
01:38:59,194 --> 01:39:03,314
Speaker 24: the top four, hopefully getting Travis Hunter, and then trading

2184
01:39:03,474 --> 01:39:05,714
Speaker 24: back into the first round to take a tackle like

2185
01:39:05,754 --> 01:39:10,034
Speaker 24: Wyatt Millium. I think it's perfectly feasible if Elliott Wolf

2186
01:39:10,074 --> 01:39:11,434
Speaker 24: knows what he's doing in the draft.

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01:39:11,874 --> 01:39:13,554
Speaker 22: Secondly, to keep the.

2188
01:39:13,554 --> 01:39:16,154
Speaker 6: Rod male, they make it sound like it's easy.

2189
01:39:16,194 --> 01:39:19,314
Speaker 24: You would have to change the offensive coordinator. And if

2190
01:39:19,314 --> 01:39:21,474
Speaker 24: that doesn't work for a year or two, you're giving

2191
01:39:21,554 --> 01:39:25,234
Speaker 24: Drake made three different offensive coordinators in three different years.

2192
01:39:25,674 --> 01:39:27,113
Speaker 22: That destroys quarterback.

2193
01:39:27,154 --> 01:39:27,754
Speaker 5: Why are we training?

2194
01:39:27,914 --> 01:39:30,394
Speaker 22: I would say, you got to clear how, you got

2195
01:39:30,394 --> 01:39:31,794
Speaker 22: to get rid of Mail, you got to get rid

2196
01:39:31,794 --> 01:39:36,434
Speaker 22: of Wolf and give give Drake May a chance with

2197
01:39:36,954 --> 01:39:39,234
Speaker 22: a head coach that knows what he's doing and offensive

2198
01:39:39,234 --> 01:39:40,954
Speaker 22: coordinators that don't coach cowardly.

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01:39:41,234 --> 01:39:42,994
Speaker 16: Thanks guy, all right?

2200
01:39:43,114 --> 01:39:43,794
Speaker 4: Thanks Eric.

2201
01:39:43,914 --> 01:39:47,634
Speaker 6: Like the whole changing offensive coordinators, I totally readily admit

2202
01:39:47,754 --> 01:39:50,354
Speaker 6: is not the ideal situation, but there's a lot of

2203
01:39:50,394 --> 01:39:52,194
Speaker 6: guys that have dealt with that and been fine.

2204
01:39:52,434 --> 01:39:55,354
Speaker 7: Yeah, well I think too. I mean, maybe Evan can

2205
01:39:55,354 --> 01:39:57,674
Speaker 7: speak to this little more than I can, but we're

2206
01:39:57,714 --> 01:40:02,194
Speaker 7: generally speaking. I don't think van Pelt's parents system is

2207
01:40:02,234 --> 01:40:04,594
Speaker 7: this crazy thing where you know, there are a lot

2208
01:40:04,634 --> 01:40:06,474
Speaker 7: of other coordinators that probably would have a lot of

2209
01:40:06,474 --> 01:40:09,114
Speaker 7: crossover with alexman Pelt, whereas if you were to go

2210
01:40:09,114 --> 01:40:11,114
Speaker 7: to McDaniels, I think that is kind of a jarring

2211
01:40:11,154 --> 01:40:13,914
Speaker 7: switch where now you're asking Drake to make line calls,

2212
01:40:13,914 --> 01:40:15,034
Speaker 7: you're putting a lot more on his plate.

2213
01:40:15,114 --> 01:40:17,874
Speaker 4: Like that is Ash should be smart enough to know

2214
01:40:17,954 --> 01:40:21,234
Speaker 4: that what Tom Brady did, Drake may isn't ready to

2215
01:40:21,234 --> 01:40:22,234
Speaker 4: do yet.

2216
01:40:22,314 --> 01:40:27,154
Speaker 5: Unless I'm more worried about the language change, Like it's

2217
01:40:27,234 --> 01:40:29,794
Speaker 5: right the concepts of the concepts, Like I don't think

2218
01:40:29,914 --> 01:40:33,194
Speaker 5: NFL teams are running concepts that are totally different from

2219
01:40:33,394 --> 01:40:36,394
Speaker 5: system to system. But it's like it's a little like

2220
01:40:36,514 --> 01:40:38,514
Speaker 5: speaking Italian instead of Spanish.

2221
01:40:38,194 --> 01:40:40,234
Speaker 4: Just as Cam Newton, they changed it all came back

2222
01:40:40,234 --> 01:40:40,714
Speaker 4: from COVID.

2223
01:40:40,834 --> 01:40:43,954
Speaker 6: But Mike is right, they're gonna put a it's a

2224
01:40:43,994 --> 01:40:47,954
Speaker 6: lot different system it's not because of the play necessarily.

2225
01:40:48,314 --> 01:40:50,594
Speaker 6: The only thing I could say for Josh mcgenials on

2226
01:40:50,594 --> 01:40:52,834
Speaker 6: the plus side would be that if it works, he

2227
01:40:52,914 --> 01:40:55,114
Speaker 6: probably would be here for a while. Yeah, yeah, you could.

2228
01:40:55,114 --> 01:40:58,474
Speaker 6: You could conceivably see him hopefully being with Drake May's

2229
01:40:58,594 --> 01:41:01,234
Speaker 6: entire career, because yeah, I don't think Josh mcgenial is

2230
01:41:01,234 --> 01:41:04,434
Speaker 6: getting another head coaching job or he's even certainly not

2231
01:41:04,474 --> 01:41:07,354
Speaker 6: going to get you know, one really quickly.

2232
01:41:08,274 --> 01:41:11,914
Speaker 5: I just don't understand, Like with van Pell, I just

2233
01:41:11,954 --> 01:41:14,634
Speaker 5: really feel like you're scapegoating Van Pelt if he's the

2234
01:41:14,674 --> 01:41:17,154
Speaker 5: one that goes. And I'm not saying you can't upgrade

2235
01:41:17,194 --> 01:41:21,114
Speaker 5: Alex Vampell, because everybody can probably be upgraded on this staff,

2236
01:41:21,154 --> 01:41:23,794
Speaker 5: but like, is that really the side of the ball

2237
01:41:23,834 --> 01:41:26,354
Speaker 5: that's been the worst? Is that really the side of

2238
01:41:26,354 --> 01:41:29,114
Speaker 5: the ball that should take the heavy criticism when he's

2239
01:41:29,154 --> 01:41:32,514
Speaker 5: got like starting out of the offensive line and you know,

2240
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Speaker 5: stuff like that.

2241
01:41:33,194 --> 01:41:36,754
Speaker 4: If you're either the Crafts Drod Mayo or Elliott Wolf,

2242
01:41:36,794 --> 01:41:40,514
Speaker 4: how much of Drake May's opinion do you take in

2243
01:41:40,554 --> 01:41:43,954
Speaker 4: a candid one on one conversation about Alex van Pel,

2244
01:41:44,194 --> 01:41:47,994
Speaker 4: Like if he tells you no, he's really good I've

2245
01:41:48,074 --> 01:41:49,594
Speaker 4: learned a lot from him.

2246
01:41:49,994 --> 01:41:51,994
Speaker 6: Keep him zero points zero one person.

2247
01:41:52,034 --> 01:41:52,514
Speaker 4: You don't care?

2248
01:41:53,234 --> 01:41:55,754
Speaker 6: Do I not care? I said zero point zero one percent?

2249
01:41:55,994 --> 01:41:56,434
Speaker 4: You don't care?

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Speaker 6: I just like, what is he going to say? This

2251
01:41:58,514 --> 01:41:59,274
Speaker 6: guy's a train.

2252
01:41:59,154 --> 01:42:02,754
Speaker 4: Round after the season. This isn't public, this is just

2253
01:42:02,794 --> 01:42:03,954
Speaker 4: between the two of us.

2254
01:42:04,114 --> 01:42:06,234
Speaker 6: I would assume that he likes Alex van pell.

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Speaker 4: Okay, duly so, But does that mean anything to you?

2256
01:42:11,234 --> 01:42:13,914
Speaker 7: No, okay, I'm with Paul on that one. I mean,

2257
01:42:13,954 --> 01:42:17,114
Speaker 7: I respect Drake's opinion, but we got to do what's

2258
01:42:17,114 --> 01:42:19,834
Speaker 7: best for the organization. I just what E said for Drake.

2259
01:42:20,074 --> 01:42:20,834
Speaker 7: That's what scares me.

2260
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Speaker 6: Drake doesn't know what's best for him. That's that's why

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Speaker 6: I wouldn't hear him out. I don't know how much

2262
01:42:25,634 --> 01:42:27,994
Speaker 6: I'm not making. I didn't say it's zero, it's just

2263
01:42:28,274 --> 01:42:31,194
Speaker 6: you know, of smidgeon above zero. And I would also

2264
01:42:31,274 --> 01:42:34,314
Speaker 6: say that I agree, you know, in large part what

2265
01:42:34,354 --> 01:42:38,354
Speaker 6: Evan said. I think Alex van Pelt is out of

2266
01:42:38,394 --> 01:42:40,554
Speaker 6: those guys has done his job the best. I said

2267
01:42:40,554 --> 01:42:42,754
Speaker 6: this in the postgame show. I said it on Our

2268
01:42:42,834 --> 01:42:44,954
Speaker 6: Chin Wag on the other post game show on the

2269
01:42:44,994 --> 01:42:49,954
Speaker 6: Sports Hub, Wolf Mayo Covington van Pelt. All four of

2270
01:42:49,994 --> 01:42:52,514
Speaker 6: them have sort of been under fire. I think a

2271
01:42:52,554 --> 01:42:54,634
Speaker 6: strong argument can be made that Van Pelt has done

2272
01:42:54,634 --> 01:42:55,714
Speaker 6: his job better than the other.

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01:42:55,594 --> 01:42:58,074
Speaker 7: Three, but he seems like he's the guy that's gonna

2274
01:42:58,114 --> 01:43:00,354
Speaker 7: they make him walk the plank. I think that is

2275
01:43:00,394 --> 01:43:02,514
Speaker 7: a terrible, terrible way to go about this too.

2276
01:43:02,714 --> 01:43:03,714
Speaker 4: If he's the only one.

2277
01:43:03,794 --> 01:43:06,194
Speaker 7: Take the one guy who is the outsider, not good

2278
01:43:06,314 --> 01:43:09,354
Speaker 7: to actually had the hardest job and actually did some

2279
01:43:09,394 --> 01:43:12,194
Speaker 7: good things with your most important player, and then to

2280
01:43:12,274 --> 01:43:15,274
Speaker 7: make him the sacrificial lamb for this season, you know,

2281
01:43:15,314 --> 01:43:18,114
Speaker 7: without addressing the defense or the scouting staff or anything

2282
01:43:18,114 --> 01:43:19,354
Speaker 7: else that.

2283
01:43:20,594 --> 01:43:22,874
Speaker 4: Lucas and Maine says. I have a wrap up of

2284
01:43:22,874 --> 01:43:25,674
Speaker 4: the year by each month on how people were feeling.

2285
01:43:26,074 --> 01:43:30,954
Speaker 4: January happy season was over and looking forward to the draft. February, May, May,

2286
01:43:31,034 --> 01:43:35,114
Speaker 4: May mostly from Evan, but everyone agreed. March even more. May.

2287
01:43:35,154 --> 01:43:39,234
Speaker 4: You guys were obsessed, but so was I. April draft, Draft, Draft,

2288
01:43:39,314 --> 01:43:42,954
Speaker 4: we got May and Poke looks good. May optimism from

2289
01:43:42,994 --> 01:43:46,514
Speaker 4: everyone except for Paul, but that was to be expected. June,

2290
01:43:46,914 --> 01:43:50,314
Speaker 4: Poke looks great. In May they both look amazing in shorts.

2291
01:43:50,794 --> 01:43:54,034
Speaker 4: July we have a little bit of optimism especially from

2292
01:43:54,114 --> 01:43:58,954
Speaker 4: the defense. On the defense from Mike, Okay, I think

2293
01:43:58,994 --> 01:44:02,514
Speaker 4: he means that you were optimistic. August season is almost here.

2294
01:44:02,914 --> 01:44:06,394
Speaker 4: Who was going to start? May should start? Jacoby should not.

2295
01:44:06,634 --> 01:44:09,754
Speaker 4: September we won our first game and kept the competitive

2296
01:44:09,754 --> 01:44:12,394
Speaker 4: in the next few. Maybe it's okay that May is sitting.

2297
01:44:12,834 --> 01:44:14,794
Speaker 4: October put May in.

2298
01:44:14,754 --> 01:44:18,314
Speaker 6: Not few, but next one. They were competitive in October

2299
01:44:18,354 --> 01:44:20,434
Speaker 6: put May in. Poke looks horrible and we don't have

2300
01:44:20,474 --> 01:44:24,114
Speaker 6: a defense or offense. November. May looks great, but nothing

2301
01:44:24,154 --> 01:44:27,434
Speaker 6: else does except God. So let's go to the draft December.

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01:44:27,714 --> 01:44:30,274
Speaker 6: This is a bad, bad team. Even Mike can't say

2303
01:44:30,314 --> 01:44:33,074
Speaker 6: the defense is good. It's a dumpster fire except May

2304
01:44:33,154 --> 01:44:36,034
Speaker 6: and Gonzo. Let's go to the draft. Thank you guys

2305
01:44:36,034 --> 01:44:38,674
Speaker 6: for keeping us informed. I don't miss an episode even

2306
01:44:38,714 --> 01:44:41,554
Speaker 6: though I'm sixteen. You guys keep me entertained, and I

2307
01:44:41,594 --> 01:44:42,714
Speaker 6: truly appreciate it.

2308
01:44:43,954 --> 01:44:44,594
Speaker 4: So there you go.

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01:44:45,394 --> 01:44:46,474
Speaker 7: See, we're starting him young.

2310
01:44:46,954 --> 01:44:48,834
Speaker 6: Even the sixteen year old's a snarky with me.

2311
01:44:48,954 --> 01:44:51,834
Speaker 5: I'm very sorry that you are becoming a Patriots fan

2312
01:44:51,874 --> 01:44:54,314
Speaker 5: at this time instead of when I was sixteen.

2313
01:44:54,074 --> 01:44:57,834
Speaker 4: And you'll appreciate it every other year. You'll appreciate it

2314
01:44:57,834 --> 01:44:58,674
Speaker 4: more when they get back.

2315
01:44:58,754 --> 01:45:01,714
Speaker 6: Most guys get credited when they accurately portray something. I

2316
01:45:01,794 --> 01:45:03,074
Speaker 6: get scorned and mocked.

2317
01:45:02,794 --> 01:45:06,834
Speaker 4: And rikieled Robert, Nevada, what's up, Robert?

2318
01:45:08,394 --> 01:45:15,194
Speaker 24: Hello, I just had one quick question. What side of defense?

2319
01:45:15,514 --> 01:45:18,074
Speaker 24: Are you guys on the fire Mayo side? Or keeps

2320
01:45:18,114 --> 01:45:19,634
Speaker 24: him for next year? So I don't know if you

2321
01:45:19,634 --> 01:45:22,674
Speaker 24: guys already talked about that or not, but I'll take

2322
01:45:22,714 --> 01:45:23,434
Speaker 24: that off the air.

2323
01:45:23,554 --> 01:45:27,074
Speaker 4: Thank you, Okay, thank you. Are we on the fire

2324
01:45:27,154 --> 01:45:28,794
Speaker 4: mail or keep them?

2325
01:45:29,074 --> 01:45:32,634
Speaker 6: I'm on the keep them, but short leash. I haven't

2326
01:45:32,714 --> 01:45:34,314
Speaker 6: liked a lot of what I've seen. I just think

2327
01:45:34,554 --> 01:45:37,434
Speaker 6: you knew what you were getting into. It's a little

2328
01:45:37,474 --> 01:45:39,914
Speaker 6: bit bumpier than I expected, but this is what you

2329
01:45:40,034 --> 01:45:43,554
Speaker 6: believed in. I think to just completely change course it's

2330
01:45:43,554 --> 01:45:46,234
Speaker 6: a bad signal. So I guess right now I'm on

2331
01:45:46,314 --> 01:45:47,354
Speaker 6: the keep them for another year.

2332
01:45:47,434 --> 01:45:49,714
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I just what hits home for me

2333
01:45:49,834 --> 01:45:53,234
Speaker 7: is the short leash. And you know, there's just isn't

2334
01:45:53,274 --> 01:45:55,434
Speaker 7: really much to believe right now, Like it's hard to

2335
01:45:55,434 --> 01:45:57,114
Speaker 7: believe the message from them.

2336
01:45:57,194 --> 01:46:00,034
Speaker 4: I'm worried. I'm worried, and I was always on the

2337
01:46:00,114 --> 01:46:05,154
Speaker 4: keep mail, but I'm worried because nothing has improved. Yeah,

2338
01:46:05,314 --> 01:46:05,994
Speaker 4: you can say that.

2339
01:46:06,354 --> 01:46:07,194
Speaker 6: I can't argue with that.

2340
01:46:07,354 --> 01:46:09,794
Speaker 4: You can say that under the umbrella of first year

2341
01:46:09,834 --> 01:46:12,514
Speaker 4: head coach, you knew things were going to be rocky

2342
01:46:12,634 --> 01:46:16,634
Speaker 4: and fair enough, but you expected that like some things

2343
01:46:16,674 --> 01:46:19,474
Speaker 4: would show as the season progressed, and as he learns

2344
01:46:19,754 --> 01:46:22,314
Speaker 4: in season thinks some things would get better. And I

2345
01:46:22,354 --> 01:46:24,474
Speaker 4: don't see any sign of that. So if I'm Robert

2346
01:46:24,554 --> 01:46:29,114
Speaker 4: Kraft or Jonathan Kraft, who I assume is making the call,

2347
01:46:29,394 --> 01:46:32,594
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know. I guess I have to.

2348
01:46:33,154 --> 01:46:34,514
Speaker 4: I got to look him in the eye and say,

2349
01:46:34,514 --> 01:46:37,994
Speaker 4: what's going on, man, Like, tell me why I should

2350
01:46:38,034 --> 01:46:41,354
Speaker 4: keep you. You got to make a strong case to

2351
01:46:41,394 --> 01:46:45,754
Speaker 4: me because you haven't shown sides of growth. And I

2352
01:46:45,794 --> 01:46:48,874
Speaker 4: know it's only one season, but even the micro steps,

2353
01:46:49,634 --> 01:46:52,354
Speaker 4: I haven't seen that. Now I say that, and I

2354
01:46:52,394 --> 01:46:56,674
Speaker 4: always say that we meaning this show, and even you know,

2355
01:46:56,794 --> 01:46:59,874
Speaker 4: the scribes, we don't have the information that the Crafts

2356
01:46:59,874 --> 01:47:03,194
Speaker 4: have or Elliott Wolf has, so we're at a disadvantage.

2357
01:47:03,194 --> 01:47:06,274
Speaker 4: We only know what we see and hear, so for

2358
01:47:06,434 --> 01:47:08,954
Speaker 4: us to make a judgment, it's always tough, not just

2359
01:47:08,994 --> 01:47:11,954
Speaker 4: with Mayo but with Wolf and all these assistant coaches.

2360
01:47:11,994 --> 01:47:14,474
Speaker 4: We don't know who's really doing a good job and

2361
01:47:14,474 --> 01:47:16,874
Speaker 4: who isn't and how much of it is the players

2362
01:47:16,874 --> 01:47:19,314
Speaker 4: and how much we just don't have that info, so

2363
01:47:19,354 --> 01:47:22,314
Speaker 4: we can only go with what we see, and what

2364
01:47:22,394 --> 01:47:26,874
Speaker 4: I've seen is no improvement, what's soever. And that really

2365
01:47:26,914 --> 01:47:30,794
Speaker 4: really scares me because this is a critical off season.

2366
01:47:30,914 --> 01:47:33,074
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I just feels like everything has been on

2367
01:47:33,154 --> 01:47:37,354
Speaker 5: shaky ground since really he took over the job, where

2368
01:47:37,354 --> 01:47:40,474
Speaker 5: it just feels like everything is just kind of flying

2369
01:47:40,514 --> 01:47:42,194
Speaker 5: by the seat of your pants a little bit, without

2370
01:47:42,194 --> 01:47:45,114
Speaker 5: a real plan and without the experience to pull from

2371
01:47:45,154 --> 01:47:49,194
Speaker 5: to formulate a really good plan. And I just it's

2372
01:47:49,274 --> 01:47:53,594
Speaker 5: hard to envision it getting better in terms of, you know,

2373
01:47:53,674 --> 01:47:55,434
Speaker 5: what does he do bring to the table and what

2374
01:47:55,474 --> 01:47:58,474
Speaker 5: does he do well, and you know, whether it's schematic

2375
01:47:58,594 --> 01:48:02,194
Speaker 5: or it's just from a culture direction standpoint. Now that

2376
01:48:02,314 --> 01:48:04,994
Speaker 5: being said, I would like to know who they could

2377
01:48:05,074 --> 01:48:08,794
Speaker 5: get right and who's coming in. And that's the thing

2378
01:48:08,834 --> 01:48:11,794
Speaker 5: that that's huge. Even more so, the craft would would

2379
01:48:11,834 --> 01:48:14,794
Speaker 5: probably be able to know, you know, ten times more

2380
01:48:14,834 --> 01:48:15,474
Speaker 5: than we could.

2381
01:48:15,834 --> 01:48:16,074
Speaker 4: You know.

2382
01:48:16,234 --> 01:48:20,554
Speaker 5: So if you're telling me that today Mike Rabel or Girodmeo,

2383
01:48:21,434 --> 01:48:23,354
Speaker 5: I'm probably taking Rabel yeah, help me too.

2384
01:48:23,594 --> 01:48:27,874
Speaker 4: And yeah, now I think it was not last postgame.

2385
01:48:27,914 --> 01:48:29,634
Speaker 4: We made it the last one that we had a

2386
01:48:29,674 --> 01:48:32,434
Speaker 4: home game. I said, you know, to Patriots fans, I say,

2387
01:48:32,474 --> 01:48:36,034
Speaker 4: you know, you're praying that Mayo does get better. Rather

2388
01:48:36,074 --> 01:48:38,354
Speaker 4: than having to start over with a new coach and

2389
01:48:38,394 --> 01:48:41,314
Speaker 4: a new regime and all that, you're praying that Mayo

2390
01:48:41,514 --> 01:48:44,194
Speaker 4: can get the hang of it, and that way you

2391
01:48:44,274 --> 01:48:48,714
Speaker 4: have the continuity that said changes have to be made otherwise,

2392
01:48:48,794 --> 01:48:51,794
Speaker 4: but you're hoping that Mayo is the guy, because then

2393
01:48:52,434 --> 01:48:55,714
Speaker 4: then I think the redemption for the team is quicker

2394
01:48:56,274 --> 01:48:59,594
Speaker 4: than having to start over. But you know, I don't know,

2395
01:48:59,874 --> 01:49:02,514
Speaker 4: tell me, tell me what the plan is if Mayo's

2396
01:49:02,554 --> 01:49:03,234
Speaker 4: not going to be here.

2397
01:49:03,354 --> 01:49:05,674
Speaker 5: I just also, you know, the last thing, I just

2398
01:49:06,994 --> 01:49:10,634
Speaker 5: it hasn't been a lot of players, but Kean White

2399
01:49:11,114 --> 01:49:14,634
Speaker 5: coming out and being as disgruntled as he's sound over

2400
01:49:14,634 --> 01:49:17,514
Speaker 5: the last couple of days. And I give him some credit,

2401
01:49:17,594 --> 01:49:20,234
Speaker 5: honestly for standing on it after the game. This was

2402
01:49:20,274 --> 01:49:23,394
Speaker 5: not a Kishon Boody walk back. This was I feel

2403
01:49:23,394 --> 01:49:25,594
Speaker 5: this way, and I still feel this way to days later.

2404
01:49:25,714 --> 01:49:28,794
Speaker 6: He's also calling himself out for not playing well. Yeah,

2405
01:49:28,794 --> 01:49:30,714
Speaker 6: which I like that part. Of it now. You said

2406
01:49:30,714 --> 01:49:32,954
Speaker 6: it last week when you came in with those quotes

2407
01:49:33,234 --> 01:49:36,914
Speaker 6: before he added the stuff about the coaches.

2408
01:49:36,994 --> 01:49:38,554
Speaker 7: Yeah, that was the one on the changes.

2409
01:49:39,154 --> 01:49:41,994
Speaker 5: I just worry with that is at the tip of

2410
01:49:41,994 --> 01:49:46,114
Speaker 5: the iceberg of players starting to really get disgrunted. And

2411
01:49:46,154 --> 01:49:48,834
Speaker 5: that's one of your young talented players on this roster,

2412
01:49:48,914 --> 01:49:50,994
Speaker 5: one of your few, and now all of a sudden,

2413
01:49:51,034 --> 01:49:53,554
Speaker 5: if that trickles to Christian Goanzalez, and that trickles to

2414
01:49:53,634 --> 01:49:56,114
Speaker 5: Drake May, and that trickles to other guys in that

2415
01:49:56,194 --> 01:49:58,714
Speaker 5: locker room, then you really have a problem on your hand.

2416
01:49:58,754 --> 01:50:00,434
Speaker 7: It's a really tight rope to walk, and I mean

2417
01:50:00,514 --> 01:50:02,594
Speaker 7: with Gerard Stays like they're going to have to figure

2418
01:50:02,634 --> 01:50:04,794
Speaker 7: out a way to get the fan base excited and

2419
01:50:04,914 --> 01:50:08,274
Speaker 7: enthusiastic about you know, there has to be other changes made.

2420
01:50:08,514 --> 01:50:10,394
Speaker 7: But one point I'd like to make Fred is I'd

2421
01:50:10,434 --> 01:50:12,714
Speaker 7: like to know what's the deal with the scouting staff

2422
01:50:13,114 --> 01:50:15,594
Speaker 7: Like this this draft felt just as inept as the

2423
01:50:15,674 --> 01:50:18,914
Speaker 7: last ones did. How much are all these people involved?

2424
01:50:18,914 --> 01:50:21,834
Speaker 7: How much has Elliott Wolf been overseeing these previous couple drafts.

2425
01:50:21,874 --> 01:50:24,234
Speaker 7: How much input did he have any of these picks?

2426
01:50:24,274 --> 01:50:26,834
Speaker 7: The you know, all the other people that have. You know, essentially,

2427
01:50:26,834 --> 01:50:29,474
Speaker 7: I think the scouting staff mostly stayed the same. That

2428
01:50:29,634 --> 01:50:33,474
Speaker 7: is getting a serious look critically from me because the

2429
01:50:33,514 --> 01:50:35,194
Speaker 7: drafts have been bad and that, like we can talk

2430
01:50:35,234 --> 01:50:38,914
Speaker 7: about coaching, sure, but you gotta pick talented players, like

2431
01:50:38,954 --> 01:50:40,834
Speaker 7: they have to find ways to find these guys that

2432
01:50:41,194 --> 01:50:43,394
Speaker 7: I mean, it's gonna take forever. They're gonna be chasing

2433
01:50:43,394 --> 01:50:46,234
Speaker 7: their tails if they don't start stacking drafts where they're

2434
01:50:46,274 --> 01:50:49,754
Speaker 7: hitting on three guys three guys. I mean, you can't

2435
01:50:49,794 --> 01:50:51,474
Speaker 7: do it one a year, one a year. You're gonna

2436
01:50:51,474 --> 01:50:52,594
Speaker 7: be stuck in the same position.

2437
01:50:52,754 --> 01:50:55,354
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's also tough to say, like is it there's

2438
01:50:55,554 --> 01:50:57,114
Speaker 5: I think I you know, I agree with Paul that

2439
01:50:57,194 --> 01:51:00,514
Speaker 5: there's there's a developmental aspect of this too, Like is

2440
01:51:00,594 --> 01:51:03,914
Speaker 5: Jalen Polk just bad or is he getting bad coaching?

2441
01:51:04,234 --> 01:51:06,434
Speaker 5: You know, is he getting bad coaching? Is you know

2442
01:51:07,114 --> 01:51:09,874
Speaker 5: any of these guys you know, Baker Leyden Robinson, like

2443
01:51:10,074 --> 01:51:12,154
Speaker 5: any of these players that have come in. And I

2444
01:51:12,154 --> 01:51:15,354
Speaker 5: think the only way that you really stabilize this thing

2445
01:51:15,394 --> 01:51:17,754
Speaker 5: with Mayo is you go out and free agency and

2446
01:51:17,794 --> 01:51:21,034
Speaker 5: you spend a bunch of money on proven veteran talent

2447
01:51:21,474 --> 01:51:24,714
Speaker 5: that it's pretty they've there are no more talent complaints

2448
01:51:24,874 --> 01:51:27,834
Speaker 5: right their finished products. You know you signed T Higgins

2449
01:51:27,874 --> 01:51:29,834
Speaker 5: like you don't need to coach up T Higgins.

2450
01:51:30,074 --> 01:51:32,434
Speaker 4: For Quinn Williams and Garrett Wolfs sure.

2451
01:51:32,394 --> 01:51:34,554
Speaker 5: Like you already know those guys can play in the league.

2452
01:51:34,674 --> 01:51:37,354
Speaker 5: So you're not handing him rookies that he's trying to develop.

2453
01:51:37,394 --> 01:51:38,994
Speaker 5: You're handing him finished.

2454
01:51:38,674 --> 01:51:40,994
Speaker 4: Prom Speaking of veterans, I don't know about proven talent,

2455
01:51:41,074 --> 01:51:44,234
Speaker 4: but we should say that it's being widely reported. Incway

2456
01:51:44,354 --> 01:51:45,154
Speaker 4: has been released.

2457
01:51:45,554 --> 01:51:46,354
Speaker 6: It's been confirmed.

2458
01:51:46,594 --> 01:51:48,034
Speaker 4: It's been confirmed. Yes, okay, no.

2459
01:51:48,194 --> 01:51:52,234
Speaker 6: Schefter tweeted that this morning, and yeah, we didn't mention

2460
01:51:52,274 --> 01:51:55,034
Speaker 6: it was a waiver claim that I personally didn't see

2461
01:51:55,114 --> 01:51:56,874
Speaker 6: much sense in what at the time that they made it.

2462
01:51:56,914 --> 01:51:59,154
Speaker 6: And certainly he didn't he didn't do it. He didn't

2463
01:51:59,154 --> 01:52:02,034
Speaker 6: do anything that you changed my mind.

2464
01:52:01,674 --> 01:52:04,114
Speaker 4: Why. It's how desperate they were to just get a

2465
01:52:04,154 --> 01:52:07,474
Speaker 4: little edge rush. They didn't get it. But that's that's

2466
01:52:07,474 --> 01:52:07,914
Speaker 4: what I think.

2467
01:52:08,114 --> 01:52:09,634
Speaker 7: Is it just to give him a chance today to

2468
01:52:09,754 --> 01:52:11,794
Speaker 7: maybe catch on with another team, because he sure didn't

2469
01:52:11,834 --> 01:52:13,434
Speaker 7: show much here to make me think that there are

2470
01:52:13,474 --> 01:52:15,234
Speaker 7: teams that are going to be Oh.

2471
01:52:15,114 --> 01:52:17,754
Speaker 6: No, I think it's too late, right, if it's app

2472
01:52:17,874 --> 01:52:19,714
Speaker 6: Oh no, you can still do it this week, right,

2473
01:52:21,594 --> 01:52:24,754
Speaker 6: Like I'm thinking of the whole Kaleis Campbell thing in Miami.

2474
01:52:25,314 --> 01:52:27,074
Speaker 6: Like Dave said, if they had gotten eliminated, they were

2475
01:52:27,074 --> 01:52:29,194
Speaker 6: going to release him to give him a chance to

2476
01:52:29,234 --> 01:52:31,994
Speaker 6: catch on with the playoff team. But now they're still alive. Sorry,

2477
01:52:32,554 --> 01:52:33,914
Speaker 6: I don't know if you guys watched any of that

2478
01:52:33,954 --> 01:52:35,714
Speaker 6: game the other day. He was unbelievable.

2479
01:52:35,754 --> 01:52:38,394
Speaker 7: He's just it's like thirty eight. Yeah, he keeps going.

2480
01:52:38,834 --> 01:52:42,234
Speaker 4: Still Neil and New Brunswick. I'm getting a little tired

2481
01:52:42,274 --> 01:52:45,194
Speaker 4: of the At least we got our quarterback narrative, did

2482
01:52:45,274 --> 01:52:48,194
Speaker 4: we Maybe? But if we're going to be real, we're

2483
01:52:48,194 --> 01:52:50,954
Speaker 4: doing a pretty massive projection when we say that. I've

2484
01:52:50,994 --> 01:52:54,674
Speaker 4: heard him called a franchise quarterback by some media. He

2485
01:52:54,794 --> 01:52:59,034
Speaker 4: has more concussions than wins. He has ten interceptions, nine fumbles.

2486
01:52:59,274 --> 01:53:01,594
Speaker 4: Oh and the guy he replaced has won more games

2487
01:53:01,714 --> 01:53:04,594
Speaker 4: on an equally brutal team. Yeah, Mac Jones, and he's terrible.

2488
01:53:05,034 --> 01:53:08,034
Speaker 4: I think may is a guy, but it's in pencil,

2489
01:53:08,154 --> 01:53:10,914
Speaker 4: not penn And if we keep Mayo, Wolf and crew,

2490
01:53:11,074 --> 01:53:13,874
Speaker 4: we'll be wasting another twelve months of his potential development.

2491
01:53:14,274 --> 01:53:17,154
Speaker 4: I really think we need to get a modern offensive

2492
01:53:17,234 --> 01:53:20,554
Speaker 4: coach for May to make sure we do everything possible

2493
01:53:20,834 --> 01:53:22,754
Speaker 4: to make him into a franchise quarterback.

2494
01:53:24,194 --> 01:53:27,114
Speaker 5: I think it's fair to say that he's not a

2495
01:53:27,114 --> 01:53:29,554
Speaker 5: finished product. I pushed back a little bit on the

2496
01:53:29,594 --> 01:53:32,034
Speaker 5: mat like if he had Brian Thomas Junior and those

2497
01:53:32,074 --> 01:53:34,274
Speaker 5: receivers that they have in Jacksonville, I think he'd be

2498
01:53:34,554 --> 01:53:37,034
Speaker 5: a lot better off than he is now. But I

2499
01:53:37,114 --> 01:53:40,194
Speaker 5: understand the general point that I do think. I wouldn't

2500
01:53:40,194 --> 01:53:43,074
Speaker 5: say crowned, but like, you know, where he has the

2501
01:53:43,194 --> 01:53:46,674
Speaker 5: traits of a franchise quarterback. Now we got to mold

2502
01:53:46,274 --> 01:53:47,594
Speaker 5: the clay a little.

2503
01:53:47,714 --> 01:53:51,594
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm with Evan, and I would say that somewhere

2504
01:53:51,594 --> 01:53:54,314
Speaker 6: in between the and I think this emailer is really

2505
01:53:54,674 --> 01:53:58,234
Speaker 6: accurately portraying it. I think that he's been crowned here

2506
01:53:58,994 --> 01:54:01,314
Speaker 6: by a lot of the local media, and I would

2507
01:54:01,314 --> 01:54:04,554
Speaker 6: be somewhere in between that in that email, because I

2508
01:54:04,634 --> 01:54:06,554
Speaker 6: think Evan's right to push back a little bit on

2509
01:54:06,594 --> 01:54:12,193
Speaker 6: the email. I just if I'm going to be completely

2510
01:54:12,234 --> 01:54:14,314
Speaker 6: convinced that I don't have anything to worry about at

2511
01:54:14,314 --> 01:54:16,194
Speaker 6: that position, I'd like to see at least like a

2512
01:54:16,194 --> 01:54:19,674
Speaker 6: three hundred yard thirty plus point performance, and we didn't

2513
01:54:19,674 --> 01:54:21,714
Speaker 6: get any of those. And I don't care what happened Sunday.

2514
01:54:21,754 --> 01:54:26,034
Speaker 6: That doesn't matter against the JVS. Like I think two

2515
01:54:26,114 --> 01:54:28,394
Speaker 6: hundred and eighty yards is like his career high. They're

2516
01:54:28,434 --> 01:54:31,594
Speaker 6: not losing these games thirty eight thirty four. And I

2517
01:54:31,754 --> 01:54:34,954
Speaker 6: understand the limitations of talent around him, but I also

2518
01:54:34,994 --> 01:54:37,354
Speaker 6: see some of the issues have been him, and I

2519
01:54:37,354 --> 01:54:39,714
Speaker 6: think Evan did a great job of illustrating some of

2520
01:54:39,754 --> 01:54:42,354
Speaker 6: the stuff in this last game against the Chargers, where

2521
01:54:42,834 --> 01:54:46,034
Speaker 6: he didn't necessarily handle some of the adversity well that

2522
01:54:46,114 --> 01:54:48,314
Speaker 6: he faced. I still think he's a guy who runs

2523
01:54:48,354 --> 01:54:51,954
Speaker 6: around recklessly. I think even when he came back into

2524
01:54:51,954 --> 01:54:54,754
Speaker 6: the game on Saturday, he ran around recklessly a little bit.

2525
01:54:55,274 --> 01:54:59,434
Speaker 6: So to me, the thing that is like a no brainer,

2526
01:54:59,514 --> 01:55:02,754
Speaker 6: no doubt. He has the requisitibility to play at a

2527
01:55:02,834 --> 01:55:06,874
Speaker 6: high level in the NFL. He can run, he can throw,

2528
01:55:07,074 --> 01:55:11,474
Speaker 6: he moves throws off platform, and he certainly appears to

2529
01:55:11,514 --> 01:55:15,914
Speaker 6: have displayed an aptitude for the position. The rest is

2530
01:55:16,154 --> 01:55:19,554
Speaker 6: completely unknown. And I think that a lot of my colleagues,

2531
01:55:20,394 --> 01:55:24,514
Speaker 6: one of which I respect greatly, Phil Perry said that

2532
01:55:24,594 --> 01:55:28,354
Speaker 6: he is a top five quarterback, and I just don't

2533
01:55:28,354 --> 01:55:30,434
Speaker 6: know what you've seen to prove that. That's what he's called.

2534
01:55:30,554 --> 01:55:32,274
Speaker 4: The biggest thing we haven't had a chance to see

2535
01:55:32,314 --> 01:55:34,554
Speaker 4: yet his clutch. We don't know how he is in

2536
01:55:34,594 --> 01:55:37,914
Speaker 4: the clutch. And that's what this league is all about, quarterback.

2537
01:55:37,954 --> 01:55:41,194
Speaker 4: It's how how are you when you're two points down

2538
01:55:41,354 --> 01:55:43,434
Speaker 4: with a minute left and no timeouts.

2539
01:55:43,434 --> 01:55:45,634
Speaker 6: They went down a whole list of quarterbacks and he

2540
01:55:45,674 --> 01:55:48,114
Speaker 6: said he would he got May over this one, May

2541
01:55:48,154 --> 01:55:51,154
Speaker 6: over this one, and I was just like, I feel

2542
01:55:51,194 --> 01:55:53,994
Speaker 6: like I'm in bizarro world and I am as big

2543
01:55:54,034 --> 01:55:56,994
Speaker 6: a Drake May guy as there is. I wanted to

2544
01:55:57,074 --> 01:55:59,674
Speaker 6: draft him from the very start, and I wanted to

2545
01:55:59,754 --> 01:56:02,154
Speaker 6: play him from the very start. I was with fred

2546
01:56:02,194 --> 01:56:04,834
Speaker 6: On Thatt right from this. I know Evan was, you know,

2547
01:56:04,914 --> 01:56:08,074
Speaker 6: stronger than we all worked. As the emailer earlier said,

2548
01:56:08,394 --> 01:56:10,914
Speaker 6: we were all on the May bandwagon. And I haven't

2549
01:56:10,914 --> 01:56:14,754
Speaker 6: seen anything to say I was wrong. But I also

2550
01:56:14,834 --> 01:56:17,034
Speaker 6: haven't seen anything to say he's one of the best

2551
01:56:17,114 --> 01:56:19,874
Speaker 6: quarterbacks in the league now, Like I haven't seen that.

2552
01:56:20,394 --> 01:56:23,834
Speaker 5: Yeah, he does a really nice job of, you know,

2553
01:56:24,754 --> 01:56:29,634
Speaker 5: already coverages for a young quarterback, reading rotation, understanding you

2554
01:56:29,634 --> 01:56:32,594
Speaker 5: know where the weaknesses and the spaces in certain zones,

2555
01:56:32,714 --> 01:56:35,114
Speaker 5: Like understanding, okay, this is man to man and I

2556
01:56:35,154 --> 01:56:36,994
Speaker 5: have to throw the ball you know, here or there

2557
01:56:37,074 --> 01:56:39,994
Speaker 5: or whatever to get the receiver open, like throws guys open.

2558
01:56:40,154 --> 01:56:44,314
Speaker 5: Understand zone coverage, like he's he's got it all. But

2559
01:56:44,874 --> 01:56:47,394
Speaker 5: it hasn't been a finished product. I mean, I still

2560
01:56:47,434 --> 01:56:49,994
Speaker 5: feel like the biggest thing to me that I want

2561
01:56:50,034 --> 01:56:53,194
Speaker 5: to hone in with him, he leaves the pocket too

2562
01:56:53,234 --> 01:56:54,674
Speaker 5: much when he doesn't have to.

2563
01:56:54,954 --> 01:56:59,154
Speaker 6: Has he really even had one complete, really good game

2564
01:56:59,834 --> 01:57:01,434
Speaker 6: like sixty minutes.

2565
01:57:02,874 --> 01:57:05,554
Speaker 5: Maybe the Colts. He was really really close against the

2566
01:57:05,634 --> 01:57:08,594
Speaker 5: Rams and the Colts, Like he played really well in

2567
01:57:08,634 --> 01:57:12,034
Speaker 5: both those games. But you know, the Fred's point.

2568
01:57:12,074 --> 01:57:13,714
Speaker 6: I didn't like the end of the the Rams game.

2569
01:57:13,754 --> 01:57:15,914
Speaker 6: The Colts game, I think was pretty close.

2570
01:57:16,074 --> 01:57:17,394
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, you get you know, but that's the

2571
01:57:17,394 --> 01:57:19,114
Speaker 5: Fred's point, right, Like he had a chance at the

2572
01:57:19,154 --> 01:57:21,074
Speaker 5: end of the Rams game. It would have been a

2573
01:57:21,194 --> 01:57:23,754
Speaker 5: ninety yard touchdown drive to win the game with like

2574
01:57:23,794 --> 01:57:25,914
Speaker 5: a minute left, But he had had a chance and

2575
01:57:25,954 --> 01:57:26,634
Speaker 5: he threw a pick.

2576
01:57:26,794 --> 01:57:29,154
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, those would be my two choices. Yeah, certainly

2577
01:57:29,154 --> 01:57:33,034
Speaker 6: the Rams and Colts. I don't know, I just feel

2578
01:57:33,034 --> 01:57:35,634
Speaker 6: like people got to I think the email is premise

2579
01:57:35,714 --> 01:57:37,554
Speaker 6: is right. I think that people are getting ahead of them.

2580
01:57:37,554 --> 01:57:38,234
Speaker 4: So sure little bit.

2581
01:57:39,514 --> 01:57:44,594
Speaker 6: Ethan's proud of them. A meeting today, West Kentucky. What's up, Ethan?

2582
01:57:46,034 --> 01:57:48,354
Speaker 27: Hey, you got a long time no call? Hey Hey,

2583
01:57:49,234 --> 01:57:50,634
Speaker 27: I was just gonna get on here and ran a

2584
01:57:50,674 --> 01:57:53,634
Speaker 27: little bit. Like part of my problem with Mayo and

2585
01:57:53,674 --> 01:57:56,594
Speaker 27: the Patriots and this coaching staff is, and y'all touched

2586
01:57:56,634 --> 01:57:58,914
Speaker 27: on it earlier, we have yet to even come close

2587
01:57:58,954 --> 01:58:02,994
Speaker 27: to finding an identity. Uh, you know, like not to

2588
01:58:03,074 --> 01:58:06,154
Speaker 27: keep going back to when we were good. But on

2589
01:58:06,234 --> 01:58:08,594
Speaker 27: defense and defense, you know, back in the day, we

2590
01:58:08,634 --> 01:58:10,714
Speaker 27: would sit back and we play a really hot match

2591
01:58:10,754 --> 01:58:13,474
Speaker 27: look or you know, play man and bring pressure and sure,

2592
01:58:13,514 --> 01:58:15,354
Speaker 27: we're gonna give up underneath stuff. We're going to give

2593
01:58:15,434 --> 01:58:17,594
Speaker 27: up the hitches, we're gonna give up the seams and

2594
01:58:17,634 --> 01:58:19,634
Speaker 27: cover three. But once we get down in the red zone,

2595
01:58:19,634 --> 01:58:20,194
Speaker 27: we're going.

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01:58:19,994 --> 01:58:20,394
Speaker 24: To stop you.

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01:58:20,394 --> 01:58:21,834
Speaker 27: You're gonna kick a still gull and we're gonna get

2598
01:58:21,834 --> 01:58:24,634
Speaker 27: the ball back. I mean, on defense, it just looks

2599
01:58:24,674 --> 01:58:28,674
Speaker 27: like we run around, you know, not knowing what's going on,

2600
01:58:29,074 --> 01:58:31,554
Speaker 27: you know, not believing in the scheme we're running. We

2601
01:58:31,594 --> 01:58:34,434
Speaker 27: can't get pass rush, we can't play man coverage, and

2602
01:58:34,514 --> 01:58:36,234
Speaker 27: I mean all of that just points back to coaching.

2603
01:58:36,274 --> 01:58:37,914
Speaker 27: I mean, there's just no way around it. I know

2604
01:58:37,954 --> 01:58:40,794
Speaker 27: there's a severe lack of talent, but when you can't

2605
01:58:40,834 --> 01:58:43,314
Speaker 27: form an identity or you can't say, hey, we're not

2606
01:58:43,474 --> 01:58:45,674
Speaker 27: that great talent lies, but we're going to be really

2607
01:58:45,674 --> 01:58:48,234
Speaker 27: good at one thing. We're gonna play toss or we're

2608
01:58:48,234 --> 01:58:50,754
Speaker 27: not going to blow assignments, you know, and all that,

2609
01:58:50,834 --> 01:58:53,194
Speaker 27: and then you go to offense and like we bounced

2610
01:58:53,194 --> 01:58:56,194
Speaker 27: back and forward between the West Coast bread offense and

2611
01:58:56,674 --> 01:58:59,914
Speaker 27: under center vertical power run and you know we're not

2612
01:59:00,074 --> 01:59:02,714
Speaker 27: like you know, Drake Mayser only playmaker a booty's looks

2613
01:59:02,754 --> 01:59:05,674
Speaker 27: trying and you know, reminder is okay, but you have

2614
01:59:05,794 --> 01:59:09,834
Speaker 27: to you know, call plays and structure an offense around

2615
01:59:09,874 --> 01:59:12,354
Speaker 27: your playmaker. You know, look what Todd Munkin did in

2616
01:59:12,394 --> 01:59:14,554
Speaker 27: Baltimore as Amar, because when he came out there was

2617
01:59:14,594 --> 01:59:16,594
Speaker 27: a lot of doubts and it wasn't you know, this

2618
01:59:16,754 --> 01:59:18,674
Speaker 27: sure thing, and he's gonna end up being, you know,

2619
01:59:18,754 --> 01:59:21,594
Speaker 27: a top fifteen quarterback of all time. Where you look

2620
01:59:21,634 --> 01:59:24,794
Speaker 27: with Kingsbury's done with Daniels in Washington, and it's like,

2621
01:59:24,834 --> 01:59:27,834
Speaker 27: we just want to line up under center and we're

2622
01:59:27,834 --> 01:59:30,874
Speaker 27: going to be this hard running football team and we're

2623
01:59:30,914 --> 01:59:33,714
Speaker 27: going to run to sit up the pass player action

2624
01:59:33,874 --> 01:59:36,874
Speaker 27: and we're just not playing to anybody's strength. And I

2625
01:59:36,954 --> 01:59:38,554
Speaker 27: just don't get it. It's like, why are we going

2626
01:59:38,634 --> 01:59:42,354
Speaker 27: to stick with this Cleveland Brown you know, vertical power

2627
01:59:42,434 --> 01:59:45,714
Speaker 27: run and I just, you know, it's just so frustrating,

2628
01:59:45,754 --> 01:59:48,634
Speaker 27: and you know, this team's not tough, and you know,

2629
01:59:48,834 --> 01:59:51,154
Speaker 27: just like what Andrey Jennings said to the media about

2630
01:59:51,154 --> 01:59:51,834
Speaker 27: the fans, you.

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01:59:51,754 --> 01:59:52,474
Speaker 9: Know, we have it right.

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01:59:52,554 --> 01:59:55,714
Speaker 27: We're not schooled. We've watched five years of Arendous football

2633
01:59:55,994 --> 01:59:58,154
Speaker 27: and I'm so sick of it. And I know I'm

2634
01:59:58,154 --> 02:00:00,754
Speaker 27: from Kentucky, but I know everybody up there is sick

2635
02:00:00,794 --> 02:00:02,674
Speaker 27: of it. I mean, it's just been hard to watch.

2636
02:00:03,474 --> 02:00:05,554
Speaker 27: And you know, I care a lot about this football team,

2637
02:00:05,554 --> 02:00:07,434
Speaker 27: and I care a lot about football. I coach football,

2638
02:00:07,754 --> 02:00:09,994
Speaker 27: and I haven't missed the game, and you know, so

2639
02:00:10,114 --> 02:00:13,034
Speaker 27: many years and it's just so frustrating. And I try

2640
02:00:13,074 --> 02:00:15,634
Speaker 27: to be reasonable and try to be rational, and you know,

2641
02:00:15,754 --> 02:00:18,194
Speaker 27: firing a coach up to year one is you know,

2642
02:00:18,354 --> 02:00:20,754
Speaker 27: not necessarily reasonable in my opinion, but it's just got

2643
02:00:20,794 --> 02:00:23,314
Speaker 27: to happen. Guys, We're not closed. He hasn't showed a flash.

2644
02:00:23,474 --> 02:00:27,034
Speaker 27: When Dan Campbell was three and fourteen with Detroit, there

2645
02:00:27,074 --> 02:00:28,674
Speaker 27: was a flash. Those guys are playing hard.

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02:00:28,714 --> 02:00:29,954
Speaker 11: He had Detroit.

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02:00:29,594 --> 02:00:31,754
Speaker 27: Body in and around and the players were body in

2648
02:00:32,074 --> 02:00:34,994
Speaker 27: and we're not. We're just so far from anything competent.

2649
02:00:35,074 --> 02:00:39,834
Speaker 27: We're a college football team and it's just getting I

2650
02:00:39,834 --> 02:00:42,714
Speaker 27: don't know, star just frustrated. But hey, I appreciate you, guys.

2651
02:00:42,754 --> 02:00:43,554
Speaker 27: I listen every day.

2652
02:00:44,194 --> 02:00:46,634
Speaker 4: That's a great call, Ethan, Thank you. That's a great call,

2653
02:00:46,754 --> 02:00:53,514
Speaker 4: well thought out. Is the point that Ethan's making. Our

2654
02:00:53,554 --> 02:00:57,394
Speaker 4: head coach didn't have an identity coming in. You couldn't

2655
02:00:57,394 --> 02:00:59,594
Speaker 4: even say this is the type of defense that he

2656
02:00:59,674 --> 02:01:03,594
Speaker 4: coordinated because he never coordinated a defense, let alone an offense.

2657
02:01:03,994 --> 02:01:08,234
Speaker 4: So he had no identity. And I think all season

2658
02:01:08,314 --> 02:01:11,234
Speaker 4: he's been searching for his own identity. That's hard to do.

2659
02:01:11,274 --> 02:01:15,114
Speaker 4: When you're losing games. That becomes your identity now, So

2660
02:01:15,314 --> 02:01:18,274
Speaker 4: it's you know, but Ethan made the point better than

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02:01:18,314 --> 02:01:21,954
Speaker 4: I just did, and uh, that's it. Yeah.

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02:01:21,994 --> 02:01:24,794
Speaker 5: I don't have a problem with the power running aspect

2663
02:01:24,914 --> 02:01:25,554
Speaker 5: of the you.

2664
02:01:25,514 --> 02:01:27,354
Speaker 4: Get excited when he said the vertical power right.

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02:01:27,554 --> 02:01:29,594
Speaker 5: Hey, look it was a good call. I don't have

2666
02:01:29,594 --> 02:01:33,714
Speaker 5: a problem with that necessarily, but I if Van Pelt's staying,

2667
02:01:34,034 --> 02:01:37,394
Speaker 5: he's got to make a really good presentation of what

2668
02:01:37,554 --> 02:01:40,914
Speaker 5: is Drake May two point zero look like, you know,

2669
02:01:40,994 --> 02:01:44,274
Speaker 5: in terms of adding some of the quarterback round elements.

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02:01:44,314 --> 02:01:46,274
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't care what you used to do in Cleveland.

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02:01:46,434 --> 02:01:47,874
Speaker 4: Yeah you didn't have Drake May.

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Speaker 5: Right, Like you know, I don't care if it's zone

2673
02:01:49,754 --> 02:01:52,954
Speaker 5: or if it's you know, gap or whatever. But they

2674
02:01:53,074 --> 02:01:56,434
Speaker 5: have to add a quarterback round element to this office.

2675
02:01:56,114 --> 02:01:57,834
Speaker 6: And they have to have now. I mean, we can

2676
02:01:57,874 --> 02:01:59,714
Speaker 6: talk about all the schemes all we want. I'm not

2677
02:01:59,714 --> 02:02:01,274
Speaker 6: going to work with this with this group.

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02:02:01,474 --> 02:02:03,874
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Speaker 5: And I'm usually into the numbers.

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