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Speaker 1: and I'll never forget He's like, bruh, what's happening. They're

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Speaker 1: led to a double homicide. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and

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Speaker 1: this is body bags, Dave. I gotta tell you, brother,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad I don't rent anymore. They were very nice people.

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Speaker 1: But can you imagine having a landlord that is so

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Speaker 1: This fellow that I'm referring to as a fellow named

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know what, Chadlan Reed has a record

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Speaker 2: So when Chadlan Reed gets mad at the people who

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Speaker 2: Just being a possession of a gun. He's already breaking

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Speaker 2: the law. Chat on and read. He's the reason we

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Speaker 1: That's part of being an investigator from the perspective of

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Speaker 2: And this is why inspectors, investigators hold back certain pieces

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Speaker 2: can't take credit for a murder. Right in this particular case,

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Speaker 2: fifty four or fifty six. Rather they go missing and

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Speaker 2: or your brother's sister, mom and dad looking for him.

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Speaker 2: on vacation, because people would have known that. Nobody knows

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Speaker 1: The reason I wanted to tell that story in the

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Speaker 1: beginning Dave about myself and my roommate was that, let

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Speaker 1: me tell you how this situation is configured. He had

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Speaker 1: I've often stated, relative to the methodologies that are employed

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Speaker 1: perhaps just perhaps the level of violence that's involved with

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Speaker 1: This is actually a matter of cutting and bludgeoning in addition,

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Speaker 2: You know, one of the things about this Joe is

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Speaker 2: keep saying his full name, not because he's a felon,

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Speaker 1: Chat Alan Reid, Well, we're also from the South, Dave,

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Speaker 1: full names like that, you know, Chad Alan Reed.

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Speaker 2: Nicknames like bull Man. Ye right, well, yeah, all right.

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Speaker 2: So Chad alan Reid is the owner of the property.

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Speaker 2: These are the renters, and he claims that mister Soul

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Speaker 1: It was a matter of did he show up prepared,

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Speaker 1: And certainly, you know he's thrown out the date of

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Speaker 1: at this point in time because he claims that mister

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Speaker 1: He shoots him in the chest. If this is not

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Speaker 1: trust me, they are completely different. Now, she's in close

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Speaker 1: It's not like you might have a deer hunter out

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Speaker 2: And based on what happens next, she had to have

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's where it really gets kind of fascinating,

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Speaker 2: And apparently he couldn't think past it. This is as

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, And as a matter of fact, let's

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Speaker 1: You're going to bring about the process of decomposition much

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Speaker 1: more quickly. Imagine if you will, you're the perpetrator. You're

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Speaker 1: not around dead bodies at all, and you can't escape

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Speaker 1: the smell. You walk past the garage, and let me

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Speaker 1: tell you something. It doesn't matter if you're in the street.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if you're across the street. If there's

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Speaker 1: a dead body at times two now that is in

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Speaker 1: that garage, Dude, you're gonna smell it. And can you

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Speaker 1: imagine how paranoid that would make you if even if

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Speaker 1: you shut the door, even if you went out with

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Speaker 1: a can of li saw, it's not going to knock

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Speaker 1: smell down. It's not going to do it. You're still

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Speaker 1: going to smell these bodies. And this began to eat

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Speaker 1: at him, and for whatever reason, this area where they

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Speaker 1: had rented out in this home that they shared with

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Speaker 1: this fellow, the house caught on fire. And what was

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Speaker 1: really kind of tragic about this and the family members

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Speaker 1: that you had mentioned earlier, Dave had been coming around

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Speaker 1: looking for these two people. They said, if we could

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Speaker 1: just have something that smelled like our loved one to

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Speaker 1: take back with us, we'd love it. We'd love to

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Speaker 1: have it. But most of their belongings were actually destroyed,

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Speaker 1: and you begin to think about how if you've ever

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Speaker 1: had a house fire or anything like that, everything smells

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Speaker 1: like smoke, and that's what the families were faced with.

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Speaker 1: And I think that it left a big question for

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Speaker 1: the police. What was this individual trying to destroy by

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Speaker 1: setting this place on fire. And you can see at

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Speaker 1: the crime scene this house, the whole rear end of

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Speaker 1: the house is like just charred, super charred. This goes

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Speaker 1: to another point that you had made, Dave. This is

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Speaker 1: highly disorganized behavior on his part. You know, you've got

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Speaker 1: multiple weapons, You've got this thing where he doesn't take

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Speaker 1: them out in the woods and execute them and does

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Speaker 1: it in kind of a sequestered environment. Is not just

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Speaker 1: using one weapon and you're going to wrap the bodies

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Speaker 1: up then in plastic and put them in the back

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Speaker 1: of your truck. It escapes logical thought as far as

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Speaker 1: I'm concerned.

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Speaker 2: They set up a tip line the police, thankfully, because

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Speaker 2: the person who called the tip line the most with

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Speaker 2: the most credible information as to what happened, Chad Alan Reid.

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Speaker 2: He called the tip line himself and confessed to the crime.

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Speaker 1: When he literally turns himself in Dave. There are a

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Speaker 1: couple of the authorities had kind of I guess postulated

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Speaker 1: over this, thinking that this is a fellow who was

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Speaker 1: riddled with guilt over what he had done. Now, whether

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Speaker 1: or not he has remorse over it, I have no

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Speaker 1: idea that's between him and the Swede lord. But for

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Speaker 1: some reason, after these days of living with these bodies

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Speaker 1: and trying to work this problem out and never having

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Speaker 1: any success of putting distance between himself and these deeds,

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Speaker 1: he couldn't take it anymore, and of course he winds

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Speaker 1: up being taken into custody. A jury did, in fact

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Speaker 1: find Rey guilty of second agree murder related to mister

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Speaker 1: Soul's death, and then first degree murder in connection with

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Speaker 1: Lepard's death, probably having to do with the brutality of

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Speaker 1: that murder. All in all, he was sentenced to one

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Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five years to lie with a chance

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Speaker 1: of going. I'm Joseph Scott Morton and this is bodybags