1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Rodney Pete, NFL Veterans Up sixteen years, 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: co host of Rogan and Rodney on a five to 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: seventy LA Sports and iHeartMedia. 4 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:10,120 Speaker 2: This is the. 5 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: NFL Player Second Ax Podcast. 6 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:28,159 Speaker 3: Come on now, thanks for tuning in, Peanut Tuman and 7 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 3: this is the NFL Player Second Acts Podcast with me 8 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 3: as always as my guy Roman Harper. 9 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 4: He's got his he's got his little shirt popped open. 10 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. He's trying to show show 11 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 4: like he in LA. He got the La vibes right now. 12 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 4: I don't know what is this pink leopard or something 13 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 4: with the olive green? 14 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,279 Speaker 5: Yes, where are these? I don't even know what they are. 15 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 6: They're like pedals, so yeah, pedals, pedals. Yeah, they like 16 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 6: fall off roses and things of that nature. 17 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 2: Edles. 18 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very frosty. 19 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's all good. I appreciate that. 20 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 6: Anyways, let me get out here and give us shout 21 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 6: out to all of our viewers, all of our listeners 22 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 6: wherever you take in your podcast, where it's Apple Podcast, 23 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 6: iHeart Radio app thank you for always tune in. Give 24 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 6: us a rating of review five stars. Please give us 25 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 6: a couple comments, Share like and always give us a follow. 26 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 6: Man and Peanut, what do we do? We tell him 27 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 6: to tell a friend, to tell a friend to do 28 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 6: what tell a friend? 29 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 2: There we go. 30 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 6: Just in case you didn't remember, Peanut, who is our 31 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 6: special guest this even this morning. I'm really excited about 32 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 6: this one. Grew up watching this man for do a 33 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 6: lot of great things. 34 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 5: I think we all did. 35 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 4: Can I just say he is the greatest multi sport 36 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 4: athlete to come out of the state of Arizona. He 37 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 4: was an All American ads. Come on see sixteen year 38 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 4: NFL VET, author of sports radio. 39 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 5: He runs a foundation. Ladies and gentlemen, Rodney p walcome to. 40 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 4: The show, Come on see, yeah, you gotta bring it man, 41 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 4: You just you've earned that. 42 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: Sixteen years, sixteen man, sixteen Yeah, I'm still walking up 43 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: right too. 44 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 2: Oh it's all good. Yeah, no, I'm uh. 45 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: I think back at it, and you guys know, it 46 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 1: could be a grind over the years and going and 47 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: go training camp after training camp after training camp. But 48 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: after a while they start to run together and you 49 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: look back and go, man Dahn, sixteen years. It really did. 50 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:20,839 Speaker 1: And I know it sounds cliches, but it really did 51 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: fly by it really did. But you know I enjoyed 52 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:25,399 Speaker 1: every minute of it. 53 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 6: So I hate to do this to you, do it, 54 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 6: but we want you to explain something. All Right, you 55 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 6: look a little bit different. You look great this morning. 56 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 6: I don't think all right, Thomas putting me back here, 57 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 6: you got me all right? A little bit of TV 58 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 6: magic here, Yeah, yeah, I want you to explain this 59 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 6: to me. Okay, you look beautiful. 60 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 4: But right here, So for fort is Roy Pete in 61 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 4: high school and he's got he's got a Jerry curR. 62 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 5: He got this glow. 63 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 2: Uh huh. 64 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: He was at the end of that term. Get a 65 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 1: redone right there. Wow, look at y'all, Doug to get 66 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 1: that bad boy right there. 67 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 5: That's your sophomore year. 68 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 2: That was my sophomore year in high school. 69 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,399 Speaker 1: In fact, I think that is right after we won 70 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: the state title in basketball in Arizona. 71 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and basketball. You know you had to hear have 72 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 2: the hair bouncing up and down. 73 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,839 Speaker 6: Got to yeah, yeah, it ain't helmet, no help. 74 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: You had to let it go, man, you had to 75 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: let it go. So yeah, I rocked it for a while. 76 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 4: That you could have been a member of like boys 77 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 4: in the hood right there, Like that's that's ice Q, 78 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 4: that's w. 79 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, you had full length. Oh my god, how long 80 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 5: did you grow that to get that? 81 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 2: Oh man? 82 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, speaking of that sophomore year, I think 83 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: I started in junior high man middle school and telling 84 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: my you're not cutting my hair, You're not cutting. 85 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 2: It at all. I got to let it go. You know. 86 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 5: That is a larrium. Oh all right, so let's let's 87 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 5: stay back on the starting. That's how we saw that 88 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 5: took you way back. 89 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 4: He looked like y'all could have saw his face. 90 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 5: He was just like, oh my god, damn, I'm glad 91 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 5: you knew you remember exactly what it is. 92 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 2: Though. 93 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 6: I want to go to this though, we'll stay back 94 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 6: a little bit, and that is in nineteen eighty eight 95 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 6: eighty nine, you were running up for the Heisman Trophy 96 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 6: and you lost it to a young man by. 97 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 5: The name of Barry Sanders. 98 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 6: And we all saw, well, Barry like didn't even react 99 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 6: when he won the Heisman. No, he did not. He 100 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 6: didn't react at all. Yeah, yeah, no emotion. And you 101 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 6: leave me right to my next question. What was it 102 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 6: like to go from that point where you saw him 103 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 6: in college do what he did. You had all the 104 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 6: accolades and were coming off your great year to where 105 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 6: now you guys are in Detroit together just the following year. 106 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 2: It was a first of all, he is a he's 107 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 2: an amazing guy. 108 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: And and you know, it's funny that you say that 109 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: he didn't react to winning the Heisman, because that's that's 110 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: actually genuinely who he is. And when you get to 111 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: know him, you understand that's who he is because sometimes 112 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,359 Speaker 1: you see him from afar and I do remember in college, 113 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: first of all, nobody knew who he was started our 114 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: senior year. Going back, I'm dating myself because I'm going 115 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 1: back to nineteen eighty eight and we're leading up to it. 116 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 2: It was a really good class. 117 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: I mean, there was some great team Dion Sanders in 118 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 1: Florida State rolling at that time, you know, and Nebraska 119 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: and Broderick Thomas and Steve Taylor were rolling at that time. 120 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: Oklahoma had it going at that time when Jamel Holloway 121 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: so and then across town UCLA and Troy Aikman they 122 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: had it going. So it was there was a lot 123 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: of those names out there in eighty eight that were 124 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: people saying, Wholla, this, this could be a nice Heisman race. 125 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 1: And so halfway through the season, we started off undefeated. 126 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: Ucla started off undefeated. So it was a lot of 127 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: Troy Aikman, Rodney Pete in California and we're doing our thing. 128 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: And then about week six we started seeing highlights of 129 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: this cat from Oklahoma State. It was just running for 130 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: two hundred yards, running for three fifth and not against 131 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 1: you know, the little sisters of the poor. He was 132 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: doing it against you know, Nebraska, he was doing it 133 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: against you know, Oklahoma, he was doing against Texas, and 134 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 1: he was running, he was doing all the It was 135 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: a highlight every weekend, and you were like this, this 136 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: dude is amazing, amazing. And then by the time it 137 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: came for the ceremony at the Heisman thing, we all 138 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: knew it was it was Barry's trophy because he had 139 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: just done and had a phenomenal season that year. So 140 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: I got to know him a little bit there. But 141 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: then when we went to Detroit, you know, and I 142 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: was fortunate, like you said, you guys said, I played 143 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: sixteen years, I played for six different teams, I played 144 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: with other unbelievable running backs over that time, had a 145 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: chance to spend a year in Dallas with emmittt. 146 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 2: Smith. Ricky Waters was in Philly. 147 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 1: With me for a few years, but nobody, nobody, I'm 148 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:05,239 Speaker 1: telling you, nobody was like Barry Sanders. 149 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 5: Yeah. 150 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: And I used to pride myself on being able to, 151 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:15,119 Speaker 1: you know, do play action well and carry out my face. 152 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: But he made me the worst faking quarterback in the 153 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: whole league because every time I handed the ball off, 154 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: I just wanted to watch him. 155 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 2: You know, I didn't carry it out. 156 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: I just turned around to watch him because he was 157 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: going to do something amazing and it could have been 158 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: a five yard run, but that five yard run was 159 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: one of the most amazing five yard runs you've ever seen. 160 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: But just just amazing, amazing teammate. To have an amazing 161 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: person too, to this. 162 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 5: Day, definitely my favorite. 163 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 6: I got one more A little quick follow up, my bad 164 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 6: and that's like, so you went from Heisman Like I 165 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 6: want to know your mentality though, because you were projected 166 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 6: and you were you were great in college and then 167 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 6: your NFL career get started off a little. I would say, Rocky, 168 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 6: I mean you were six round pick. Yeah, you want 169 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 6: to Rocky, Yeah, I was like, you're one hundred and 170 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 6: forty first overall from when you went from a Heisman 171 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 6: Trophy candidate and we're the man at USC to all 172 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 6: of a sudden, ah, he's too small. 173 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 5: Oh his arm strength is in question. 174 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 6: And you look at that, and that was really a 175 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 6: true narrative that a lot of quarterbacks had to fight, 176 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 6: especially quarterbacks of color at that time. Maybe kind of 177 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 6: walk me through that part of it as well, and 178 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 6: then you still got sixteen years. 179 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. 180 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: Look, I'm not even going to sugarcoat it was. It 181 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: was a very difficult time, right, because that's what you do. 182 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: You know, there's a certain point for all of us 183 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: that we figure out, I got a shot to make 184 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: it in the NFL. I got to go pro. You know, 185 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: maybe not happened at eighth grade. Some some folks that 186 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: does ninth grade early on. You know, you go into 187 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: the league. But there comes a time where you figure out, 188 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: I can do this, I can do this long term, 189 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: and I can go to the next level doing this. 190 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: And it happened for me in college. And I started 191 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: at USC middle of my freshman year, so I was playing. 192 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: I played a full three and a half year that 193 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 1: you see, and was kind of growing each year, and 194 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 1: then got to my senior year and was in the 195 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: national conversation. We had went to the Rose Bowl the 196 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: year before and we were rejected in the top five. 197 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: I think we were ranked to start the season ranked 198 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 1: number two or three in the country, and so there 199 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: was a lot of attention as to mention the Heisman race. 200 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: They're talking about Troy Aikman, Amy and and so you 201 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: build up that whole season and we go on and 202 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 1: we we win ten straight games. We're number one against 203 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: Notre Dame or number two against Notre Dame. Number one, 204 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 1: they beat us, they go on and win a national title. 205 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 1: But after that, you're like, Okay, now what's next. It's 206 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: the next Lebble, it's the league. And heard it all, 207 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: heard it all, yeah, heard okay. We're not sure because 208 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: I played baseball in college too, We're not sure he's 209 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: gonna play baseball. Do we want to waste a pick 210 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: on him high if he's going to play baseball? So 211 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: I took that out of the equation. I didn't play 212 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: baseball my senior year. So in the spring of my 213 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: senior year, I decided not to play because I really 214 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:06,439 Speaker 1: wanted to play football, so I didn't want to give 215 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: them an excuse to not draft me. So I didn't 216 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: play and just worked out for the Combine and then 217 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: worked out and had a pro day at SC and 218 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: all things were going well. So you start to get 219 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: and back then it wasn't like it is now where 220 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: there's so much attention. There's so much detail on you know, draft, 221 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: you know, prospects and where you're going to go and 222 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: talking to this and interview For this, it was you 223 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: get calls from different teams and say, hey, you know, 224 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: we're thinking about you. We just wanted to talk to 225 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: you about it. And so there were about half a 226 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: dozen teams that said, yeah, we like you and we 227 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: think And then then the projections came in here like 228 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: late first round, second round, you know, we can we 229 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 1: can work with you. And draft Day comes and it 230 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: was first round goals, second round goals, third round goals. 231 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: Then I started seeing other quarterbacks go and because everybody 232 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 1: knew Troy was going to be number one, I mean, 233 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 1: it was just it was from all season long, the 234 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: year before he was going to be number one pick 235 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. 236 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 2: Cowboys came out and said it. 237 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: So it was like Troy and everybody else basically, And 238 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: so I started to see these quarterbacks go in the 239 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 1: second round and the third round, and then the fourth 240 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 1: round and the fifth round, and the fifth round ended 241 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: the first day, So I didn't get drafted on the 242 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: first day of the draft. So I'm sitting there, five 243 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: rounds go by, I'm not drafted, and I'm wondering at 244 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: that point, am I ever going to get drafted? 245 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 2: And it was the. 246 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 1: Longest night that I have ever had, I think to 247 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 1: this day, just thinking about not being able to sleep, 248 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 1: because this is what you dream about, this is what 249 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: you want. You think you worked and you proved yourself 250 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: enough to get noticed and to have an opportunity to play. 251 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: Because after the fifth round went by, you started thinking, 252 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: am I not even going to opportunity play? 253 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 5: Yeah? 254 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 2: Anybody gonna ever draft me? Right? 255 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: And so the next day rolls around and I think 256 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: Detroit had like one of the early picks in the 257 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: morning of that sixth round, and Wayne Fons called me 258 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 1: and they called me and said, we drafted you. 259 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 2: You know, come on in. 260 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: But it was it was a difficult thing because nine 261 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: quarterbacks went before me. 262 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 5: Do you remember them? 263 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: I remember some of them, Yeah, some of them. The 264 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,959 Speaker 1: guy I think Anthony Dilwick was one of them from 265 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: Duke who went to UH I went to Green Bay 266 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:34,839 Speaker 1: at that time. And then I think it was a 267 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: guy named Jeff Carlson that would played at Weaver State. 268 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 2: And then they shout out to Jeff heard there's another. 269 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: Guy at Oregon State that played in the pack with us, 270 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 1: and so again nine of them went yeah, and I 271 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: had to yeah, absolutely absolutely. I mean there was a 272 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: part of me that that was, you know, what the 273 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 1: hell with this, I'm going to play I'm going to 274 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: play baseball. Yeah, you know, I'm just gonna go play baseball. 275 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: And interesting enough, a month later was the baseball Draft 276 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: and the Oakland A's drafted me. They drafted me the 277 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: year before and I didn't go, but then they draft 278 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: me again. When they saw that, I flipped in and 279 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,719 Speaker 1: dropped to the sixth round and said, okay, maybe there's 280 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: a shot, and I went up and worked out for them. 281 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: They were, you know, they drafted me, I think in 282 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: thirteen to fourteen round, but they were offering me like 283 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: first round money to come and play for them, and 284 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: I for the first time I seriously considered doing it. Right, 285 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: But then in talking to you know, my parents, my family, 286 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: my brother and some other people that were close to 287 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: me and other coaches and other guys that I played with. 288 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: It was you gotta go show them, you gotta go 289 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: show them, you gotta go let them know that they 290 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,719 Speaker 1: made a mistake and that you can play in this league. 291 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: And so when I heard all that, I was like, 292 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: I gotta go do it. I gotta go to Detroit. 293 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: I gotta go play. And my mind was made up. 294 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: And then again sixteen years later, you know, I lasted out. 295 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: That lasted all Yeah, I think you yeah, yeah, it's crazy, right, Joy. 296 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 4: We're going to take a short break and we'll be 297 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 4: right back. I cannot hit a baseball. I cannot hit 298 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 4: a fastball. I can only stole basis. I'm like Willie 299 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 4: Beaman from from Major League. That's the only thing I 300 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 4: can do. You've been drafted four times. You got drafted 301 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 4: in eighty four, eighty eight, eighty nine, and ninety Yeah, 302 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 4: what kind of baseball player? Tell me what kind of 303 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 4: baseball player you were? Ooh like that, because I know 304 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 4: what I this way. 305 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: Many people thought I made the wrong decision, including coaches, 306 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: especially my baseball coaches. And to this day I would 307 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: run into different people said you should I mean I 308 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: run into Barry Bonds all the time, and he was like, man, 309 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: you should have played baseball. I told you should play baseball. 310 00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: I was like, man, my heart was in football, though, 311 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: you I don't know if I if I had played baseball, 312 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: I would have always wondered what it would have been 313 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: like to play football. 314 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 2: I don't. 315 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: I don't feel that way playing baseball. I mean playing football, 316 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: going God, I should have played. I wondered what it 317 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: was he liked playing baseball. I admire it, you know, 318 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: and I appreciate it, but I don't. I don't think 319 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: I would feel the same way if it was flipped around. 320 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, no, we were good and in fact, uh 321 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: you know during that time, you know, playing baseball in 322 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: the Pac ten as it was, it was like playing 323 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: minor league baseball because the talent level was so good. 324 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: Like I mentioned, Barry Bonds went to Arizona State. He 325 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: was playing there. I was on the team with the 326 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: big unit. Randy Johnson was the team. Yeah, Brett Boone 327 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: was my team. Hard back, harder, harder. Yeah, he didn't 328 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: care back then. That's all he threw was a fastball, 329 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: and he was he would knock you out. It was 330 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: all a bit of six ' ten coming off that hill. 331 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: It was it was scary. You know, he'd before he 332 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: started again, he would have you know, like a c 333 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: D C rocking hard going out there, and I think 334 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: I think he might have spoke two or three joints 335 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: before he got on the hill and was just coming out, 336 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: and he intimidated so many people. Man, it was it 337 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: was incredible to see that size a guy throwing that hard. 338 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, so I was pretty good. 339 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, so Bo said, excuse me, Bo Jackson is my 340 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 4: all time greatest athlete. The amount of amazingness he had 341 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 4: on the field, on the on on baseball and football. 342 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 4: He was just like, blew me away, breaking the bast 343 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 4: with his leg. 344 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 5: Did you ever think that you could do baseball and football? 345 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 5: Did that that ever? Was that ever a fault? 346 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 2: It barely? 347 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: But at the pro level, Yeah, to play quarterback and 348 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: play baseball, you can't great and do it. Like if 349 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: I was a receiver, running back like bow was, or 350 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: defense back like the probably could probably could do it. 351 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, probab we could do it. 352 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: But the demand on the quarterback position, the demand in 353 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 1: the offseason, demand of studying, trying to you know, trying 354 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 1: to come in to a season, say in September, and 355 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: then okay, I'm gonna transition back to football after you 356 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 1: played baseball spring and summer as a quarterback. That'd be 357 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: very difficult to do. And and so it was. It 358 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: wouldn't have happened. But I'm with you with bo Bow. 359 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 1: You know, we see his football highlights all the time, 360 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 1: but if you just go and just watch his baseball highlights, 361 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 1: that man, I mean, incredible, incredible athlete, incredible. 362 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 5: Well, it was funny because at that time it was 363 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 5: three guys. 364 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 6: It was Bo, it was Dion and then Brian Jordan, 365 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 6: and Jordan was also the other guy a lot of 366 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 6: people don't talk about, but also in Atlanta playing football 367 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 6: and then would switch over in place in baseball too. 368 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,719 Speaker 5: And but you bringing up the quarterback. I didn't think 369 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 5: about it. I didn't either. 370 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 6: I was like, actually, that makes all the sense in 371 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 6: the world not to be because you still gotta be. 372 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 4: Doing my My one question is how hard is to 373 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 4: hit a fastball? 374 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: The fastball is the easy part. It's everything else because 375 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: you can time if you like, like Randy Johnson, like 376 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 1: in college there were games where he would get shelled. 377 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: I mean, they hit him for like eight nine runs 378 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 1: because he thought he could throw throw it by everybody, 379 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 1: and he did that for the first inning. Then that 380 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 1: second time around people would time him up. So a 381 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 1: fastball is usually the easiest pitch to hit because you 382 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 1: can time it up. If you time it up right, 383 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: then you can hit it. It's the off speed pitches, 384 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: it's the breaking ball. It's the pitch that you think 385 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,239 Speaker 1: is coming at you, you're getting out of the way 386 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: and it turns out to be a strike. That's the 387 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: pitch that is difficult to hit because you got to 388 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: get so ready for that fastball that's coming at ninety 389 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 1: five ninety eight miles an hour that you're so far 390 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: ready for that, and then they throw something soft and 391 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: you're way out in front of it, you know. So 392 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: that's the difficult thing is to be able to adjust 393 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: to the different you know, speed and velocity of the pitches. 394 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 5: Told you, we can hit a fastball, dude, there's no 395 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 5: way we can hit it. Fact, we had this conversation yesterday. 396 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 5: That's what he's all in his head. 397 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 4: Thomas, and there shaking his head, Thomas, we can. 398 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 5: Hit a fastball. This is a whole big unit I 399 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 5: can hit your fastball. 400 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: Put it right here every time. Sooner or later I'm 401 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 1: gonna hit it exactly. That's not gonna happen. 402 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,199 Speaker 6: So this is a I know we want to try 403 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 6: and move this thing along, but I really really am 404 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 6: intrigued by this. And so you played sixteen years. I 405 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 6: know you're probably happy, excited. Tell me about how you 406 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 6: felt when you accomplished that. But then also I want 407 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 6: to know because I've also heard in some other interviews 408 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 6: how you said, well, you did the best Am Best 409 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 6: AM's TV show, but overall you just you weren't always 410 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 6: happy with your second act immediately. And so how eventually 411 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 6: did you work through that or to maybe talk about 412 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 6: some of those emotions of what you were feeling, what 413 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 6: you're feeling like you're missing out on, because this is 414 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 6: why we do this show and this podcast is to 415 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,360 Speaker 6: really dive into that too, because we all have our 416 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 6: inner struggles or our own internal. 417 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 1: About Yeah, and I appreciate you guys for doing this 418 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: because this is this is something that first of all, 419 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 1: you can't talk about it enough, yes, right, but it's 420 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: something I'm sure you guys deal with it when you 421 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: run into other fellow players or whatever. It's like, Man, 422 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: how was it for you when you retired? You know, 423 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: how did you transition? And it's different for everyone, But 424 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 1: at the same time, it is a struggle, I think, 425 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: and now how big that struggle is is it's all 426 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 1: individualized and you figure out for each person. But for me, 427 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 1: you never really know when it's and it's going to end, 428 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: but you know it's going to end at some point, 429 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: and you try to prepare yourself, at least you should, 430 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: and you try to prepare yourself for that time. And 431 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: I always wanted to be in entertainment. I wanted to 432 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: be in media. I wanted to do something like that, 433 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 1: and so I kind of started preparing myself prior to 434 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: my time that I was leaving. The last three or 435 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,479 Speaker 1: four years when I was in Carolina, I would come 436 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: back to LA and I would work in different studios 437 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,120 Speaker 1: and I would try to understand the business as much 438 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: as I could. And then when I was contemplating retirement, 439 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: I think it was like two thousand and five, Best 440 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: Damn Sports Show called said we're revamping the show. We 441 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 1: want to bring you in and would you like to 442 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: be a part of it? And I was like, Okay, 443 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: this is a sign. This is it, right, I don't 444 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: have to search for that next gig. Sorry, he go 445 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: write the Fox and do best damn sports shows right here. 446 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: I don't have to wait a year or two to 447 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: figure out what I'm going to do. And I transitioned 448 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: right into it. But it was still difficult because as 449 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: much as people tell you what it's going to be 450 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: like when you're tired, you don't know until you do 451 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: it yourself. Because that feeling you get when you put 452 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: on that uniform and you run out in the stadium, 453 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: you warm it up, and then all of a sudden 454 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 1: you get that first hit right in the game start 455 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: and they kick it off, and you're like, man, it's 456 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: this nothing like this, that tingle you get, that butterfly 457 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: feeling you get. And so when you retire, I think 458 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,199 Speaker 1: we often try to duplicate that somewhere. We try to 459 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: find that void. We're trying to find that same feeling, 460 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: when in essence, there's never gonna be that feeling again. 461 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 1: You got to change that direction. So if you keep 462 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: trying to search for that same feeling, you're never gonna 463 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: get there, right, And so you got to, for lack 464 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 1: of a better phrase, you got to find a different high. 465 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:32,199 Speaker 1: And once you come to grips with that, I'm not 466 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 1: gonna have that feeling anymore. I think you start to 467 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 1: be okay with retirement and what's gonna happen secondarily for you, 468 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: because there were a period of time, you know, for 469 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: a good three to four years time I was on 470 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: best day on that as great a gig as it was, 471 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: I just didn't fill me up, you know, it didn't 472 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: fill me up. It didn't I didn't feel like, Okay, 473 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: where's that feeling I had? Where's those butterflies that I 474 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 1: had when I was playing? Where can I get that? 475 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: You start searching. That's why guys do different things. Right now, 476 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a restaurant. I'm gonna get a nightclub. 477 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get this, I'm gonna go do the real estate. Yeah, 478 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do whatever, trying to search for it instead 479 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 1: of saying, okay, that was that, I'm gonna put that away. 480 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: I have all those memories, but now my energy's focused 481 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: somewhere else. Yeah, And that's not easy to do. I 482 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 1: mean I'm saying, but it's not easy to do. 483 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 5: Right. 484 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,959 Speaker 4: So, since being retired and you've I'm assuming you've found 485 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 4: more things to do. What have you been up to, 486 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 4: and then what's been the most fun that you've been doing? 487 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 2: Man, Raising four kids has been great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 488 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 1: My oldest are twins that are twenty six years old. 489 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: And you know, speaking of the whole retirement thing, which 490 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: another part of it was difficult, is that my oldest 491 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: son was diagnosed with autism at three years old. And 492 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: that was a that took a toll on me as well, 493 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: because that happened later in my career towards the end 494 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: and then into retirement. There was a level of me 495 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: being in done nile about that because at that time, say, 496 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: twenty to twenty three years ago, not a lot of 497 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,959 Speaker 1: people were talking about autism, right, lumping it into ADHD 498 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: or just any kind of this, you know, development of 499 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: disorder that we didn't have a whole lot of studies 500 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: and people weren't talking about it. 501 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 2: So I did what my dad would do. Right, I'm 502 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 2: gonna try to coach it out of you. 503 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to coach the autism y, Yeah, see 504 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: it right, I would go, We're gonna go in the backyard, 505 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: We're gonna play catch, we gonna we're gonna work this 506 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 1: through and you're gonna make eye contact with me, and 507 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 1: you're gonna you're gonna have your speech, and we're gonna 508 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: talk through it and don't fix somewhere. 509 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 2: We're gonna fix it. We're gonna fix it. 510 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: In the meantime, my wife was like rolling up her sleeves, going, Okay, 511 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: we gotta read this article, we gotta read this book. 512 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk to this doctor. We got to talk 513 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: to this therapist. We got to find out everything we do. 514 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: She would send me, she would send me articles and 515 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: magazines and books on a regular basis, and I never 516 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 1: opened them, never wanted to read them. And she would 517 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: come and this is what I was playing in Carolina. 518 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: She would come and that box would not even be open, 519 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: and we'd have our knockdown, drag out fights about it 520 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: because she knew there was a period of time that 521 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: you had to attack it. You had to really get 522 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: in with both feet and get to the therapies and understand, 523 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: you know, what this was all about. And I was 524 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,719 Speaker 1: not willing to do that. It was my first son, right, 525 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 1: he was my firstborn son, had my name. Yeah, it 526 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 1: was like, you know, he's gonna be a star. He's right, Hey, 527 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: we're gonna go play littlely, ye do all these things 528 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 1: to usc Yeah, all of that. And when that, when 529 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 1: that hits you, that that may not happen, that's it's 530 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: a tough thing. That's a tough thing on a on 531 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 1: a dad and a lot of fathers that I talk 532 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 1: to now, they go through that because they have this 533 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 1: vision of what they want for their son, and when 534 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 1: that doesn't happen or that is derailed a little bit, 535 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: then it's a difficult thing to adjust to from from 536 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: a marriage standpoint, individually standpoint, a lot of people start 537 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: drinking too much, like I did, you know, started drinking 538 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 1: way too much, and just like I don't want to 539 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: even think about it. I didn't want to think about it. 540 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 1: And until I came to grips, was I gotta I 541 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: gotta look at this from from his eyes, from my 542 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: son's eyes, right from his world instead of my world. 543 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: Is when I started to come around. And really, basically, 544 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: my wife gave me an ultimatum. She was like, you 545 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,160 Speaker 1: better get on board or you're gonna have to get 546 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 1: on out. And because I'm at the end of the day, 547 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna choose him because I gotta I gotta be there, 548 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,719 Speaker 1: all in for him. And if you're not all in 549 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: for him too, what are we doing? 550 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 5: Yeah? 551 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 2: So that that hit me hard and I was like, okay, 552 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 2: let's do it. 553 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 5: You know. 554 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 6: That was Look, man, we all get hit sometimes smacked 555 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 6: dead in the face with some kind of ultimatum. Wife 556 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 6: told me one time, Hey, you know, would you want 557 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 6: your daughter to date you? Like, like, you hit that 558 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 6: dose reality and it does kind of shake you. 559 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 5: I appreciate you sharing that. Yeah, I really do. Yeah. 560 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, man, talk about the some of the work that 561 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 4: you and your wife do. What do your foundation? And 562 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,719 Speaker 4: I know you, but you do some stuff with autism? 563 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, we do. We have our own foundation. 564 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's called a Holly Rod Foundations Hollyrod dot org. 565 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 1: You can find it. But we do everything from early 566 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: intervention and helping families deal with it early education. One 567 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: of our big things now is we work with a 568 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: number of corporations to hire kids that are on the 569 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: spectrum because one of the things that these kids kind 570 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: of matriculate through middle school and high school, say, okay, 571 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: most of them will not go to college, right, It's okay. 572 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: What happens now you know, they're becoming young adults and 573 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 1: what okay, so how do they interact in society? And 574 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: a lot of times people are afraid of what they 575 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: don't know. They're not going to hire a kid it's 576 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: got special needs or maybe a little different, right, So 577 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: we really are trying to be out there as much 578 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 1: as we can talking to corporate and say, hey, it's okay, 579 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: hire this kid. He will be your best worker, he 580 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: will be your most loyal worker, just give him a chance. 581 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 1: And that's been rewarding for us because we've been able 582 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 1: to place kids in different jobs with restaurants and then 583 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: businesses and things like that that have really benefited them 584 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:34,199 Speaker 1: and their families. And it really came about because what 585 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: happened to us. We were going through that situation. We 586 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: were fortunate enough again to have him diagnosed as early 587 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: as possible, and he grew over those years, not to 588 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: the point where he was going to go to a 589 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: typical four year college. So he got to be eighteen, 590 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: We're like, okay, what are we going to do now 591 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: with him? How are we going to help him become 592 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: a young adult? And so we started looking for a 593 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: job for him, and it was so difficult, so difficult 594 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: for someone even with the people in the connections that 595 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: we had of someone really just taking a chance on it, right. 596 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: And then finally the Dodgers called really, yeah, we had 597 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: friends over there. Magic Johnson had just bought the team 598 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: with the Guggenheim guys, and so we knew a lot 599 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: of people that were coming on to the Dodgers as 600 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,719 Speaker 1: new people. And one of them was Lon Rosen, who 601 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: was in the marketing department, and he got along with 602 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: Magic say bring him over. Let's just you know, maybe 603 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,479 Speaker 1: we have a position for him. And we brought him 604 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: over and he was so excited because he he's one 605 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: of those kids that's got that brain. Right. 606 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, he can. 607 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: You can tell him one time everybody in this room's 608 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: birthday and I'll never forget it. Or you can say 609 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: what day does March twenty fifth, two thousand and thirty 610 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: fall on, and he can tell you it falls on 611 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: a Wednesday that quick. So he's got one of those brains, 612 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 1: and so he just kind of blew them away and 613 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: they hired him on the spot. And so now he's 614 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: been working in the clubhouse for the Dodgers in the 615 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: equipment room and doing those things, and it's best for 616 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: him because he interacts with the players. You know, he's 617 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: there in the locker room before the games, after the games, 618 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 1: during spring training, and he's been doing for nine years now. 619 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 5: Yeah. 620 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, change his life, change his life. So when we 621 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: saw that, it was like, Okay, this is our focus 622 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: now for our foundations. We're really gonna hemm hard at 623 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: these corporations to get other kids to feel what we 624 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: feel and for for other families to feel what we feel, 625 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: because there's a sense of hopelessness out there when a 626 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: child starts to grow and gets older, because you you know, 627 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: you want your your children to do better than you, 628 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: always right, and then you want them, okay, what are 629 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: they gonna What are they gonna do when they're adults, 630 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: How are they gonna survive in this world? And you 631 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: want somebody to look after him. And so the fact 632 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: that he got a job and probably gonna have it 633 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: for for a long time, it did so so many 634 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: things for him but also for us. 635 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 4: But I could I could tell because your face let up. 636 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 4: So as you're telling the series, your face everything about 637 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 4: you changed. It's like, oh, he got a job, and 638 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 4: he's like, you know, because when you started out telling 639 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 4: the story, you know, it's like, oh, well, and I'm 640 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 4: a coach out of him. But now to see where 641 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 4: he is now, you're just like, he's he works in 642 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 4: the clubhouse, and you're just like it's like he made it, 643 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 4: like he won the Heisman, like he went to sc 644 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,479 Speaker 4: and did all the things you wanted him to do. 645 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 4: You know what, I'm like, like, I can you can 646 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 4: feel it with your smile and your your your body language. 647 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 4: So thank you for sharing that. That's awesome, man, Yeah, 648 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 4: that's awesome. Blessing, and we'll be right back. 649 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 6: I want to kind of keep this next one in 650 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 6: the same vein because you're talking about like the inside 651 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 6: joy that you get it's from your family. And I 652 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 6: know this one's kind of random, but your wife, she 653 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 6: comes up on my Instagram all the time, especially lately 654 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 6: because of South Carolina and coach Don State. Is anybody 655 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 6: more happier than your wife right now than what Don 656 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 6: today is doing? Because like every time I turn around 657 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 6: is Don Stately is hometown this and they're both from Philly, 658 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 6: So how how much are you hearing about this? 659 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: I didn't know. I didn't know how tight that Philly 660 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: connection until I met her, right, And there's there's a thing. 661 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: It really is the thing about folks from Philly, Okay, right, 662 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: And so the fact that you know, Donna is from Philly, 663 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: She's from Philly. They knew each other, you know, way 664 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: before she even got to South Carolina, so. 665 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 2: They were friends. 666 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: And then this run that she's been on, Holly's been 667 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: her biggest cheerleader. Man, So it's been it's been great 668 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,719 Speaker 1: to watch. But it's Yeah, she often throws that Philly 669 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: thing in the face, but she is so happy on class, Like, 670 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: you're right, I think she's happier than Donna. 671 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 2: For the whole thing. 672 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: She's up in the middle of the night. Well, I 673 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: gotta put something together for don on the ground. 674 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 6: It keeps popping up random of mind all the time, like, dude, 675 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 6: what is going on? 676 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 2: I guess she's happy. 677 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: Man. Yeah, she's got that that Philly girl thing, girlfriend 678 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: thing that that's going on with her. But incredible though, 679 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: for women's sports, women's basketball in general. You know what 680 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: has happened over the last you know, the last year, man, 681 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: it's been incredible. 682 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 2: It's great to see. 683 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, you've had amazing high school run, amazing college run, 684 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 4: amazing NFL run on the field, off the field, sports, TV, radio, 685 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 4: broadcasting author, all these all these things, what's been your 686 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 4: personal Mount Rushmore? Like if you could name four people 687 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 4: on your personal Mount Rushmore, who would those people be? 688 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 2: Wow? 689 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 5: M hm, you get four? 690 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 2: I get four? 691 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 5: Yes, sir, and now this is yours, so you can 692 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 5: kind of do it how you right? Right? 693 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: We give you some leadway, Well it's it's well. The 694 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: first's gotta be my mom and dad. Yeah, yeah, they're 695 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: up there. Why Mom, Dad, God rust your soul. She 696 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: passed away a year and a half ago. Yeah, I 697 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: appreciate because my mom was. My mom was the one 698 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: that was there taking me to practice every day. 699 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 2: You know. 700 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,239 Speaker 1: She was a school teacher, so she made sure I 701 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: didn't go to practice unless I had my work done. 702 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: She was the one that was like, don't you ever 703 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 1: give up. Don't you ever let them see you sweat, 704 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 1: don't let you don't ever don't ever show any kind 705 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 1: of weakness, because you can do anything. She was that 706 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 1: motivator in our family. So she definitely definitely definitely the 707 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: one up there. And then my dad was the you know, 708 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: he was a coach for so many years. He started 709 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 1: out in high school obviously, and then the college he 710 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: coached at the University of Arizona, then went to coach 711 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: in the NFL for twenty years. He was that coach 712 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: that never I don't know, but he's never. He never 713 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 1: coached me. He just loved me, right. So yeah, and 714 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: it's got to be hard because I coached my son's 715 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: a little league and I tell you, I'm I couldn't 716 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: do more than a little jokers. Wasn't doing what I 717 00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: was saying. Man, I was like, come on, man, you 718 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 1: know I want him to do it like I was 719 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:01,399 Speaker 1: going through. 720 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:01,799 Speaker 2: Yeah. 721 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:02,319 Speaker 5: Yeah, no. 722 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 2: He had so much patience, but man. 723 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: He he never dragged me, never forced me to go 724 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,760 Speaker 1: play anything or play any sport. 725 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 2: But he was always there. 726 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: He was always there if I needed to go, you know, 727 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: play catch and work on something. 728 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:16,399 Speaker 2: He was always there. 729 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: If I needed to, you know, talk through some things 730 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: psychologically about the sport and the game. 731 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 2: He was always there. 732 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 1: And he's one of those guys that always always had 733 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,839 Speaker 1: a good day, right. He was always like this, no 734 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: matter how high and how low however it got. He 735 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: was always that calming force in our family and with everybody. 736 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: And to this day I run into people that you 737 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,879 Speaker 1: know either played for him or knew him from back 738 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 1: in the day, and he was he's this same guy. 739 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 1: So you know, both those guys are definitely definitely up there. 740 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 1: Then I'd probably have to I'd have to put my 741 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: high school baseball coach up. The name is Hal Eustace 742 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 1: and uh, he passed away a little a little while 743 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 1: ago as well. But he's he's the he's the one 744 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: that that took what you had inside and pushed you 745 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 1: to be better. He's the one to put. 746 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 2: The dog in you. 747 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 1: I mean, you got to have it in you, the 748 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,839 Speaker 1: number one. You gotta have it in you. But he's 749 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: the one to help bring it out. And he was 750 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,359 Speaker 1: a fierce, fierce competitor as a coach and even when 751 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,799 Speaker 1: he played, but as a coach he was and he 752 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: was the one that just taught me taking those same 753 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,839 Speaker 1: principles not that I had, and he would talk about 754 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: on the field but in life as well, and that's 755 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 1: how you attack it. His name is Hal Eustace Man, 756 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:53,319 Speaker 1: so he yeah, he's definitely up there. Okay, coach, how's 757 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 1: up there? And then my better half, man, Yeah, she's 758 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,759 Speaker 1: she's up there because we've been married twenty eight years now, 759 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, she's been she's been with me, 760 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 1: with me through some some good times and bad times. 761 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 1: You mean the times that we just talked about my 762 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 1: son was diagnosed and you know, and I was just 763 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 1: wilding out and just you know, drinking way too much, 764 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,959 Speaker 1: as I said, and then you know, not being able 765 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 1: to deal with the reality of what's going on. She 766 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 1: gave me that tough love, you know. And and she's 767 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 1: been the one that, no matter what, has fought for 768 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 1: us in this family. 769 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 2: Right. 770 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: So I wouldn't I wouldn't be here in the shape 771 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 1: and the way I am right now that had it 772 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: not been for her. 773 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 2: So she's definitely up there. 774 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:46,719 Speaker 5: Great compliment, great compliment. I think that's that's a rap. 775 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 4: I mean, great job, Rodney p appreciates for coming on, 776 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:51,880 Speaker 4: thanks for sharing all that. 777 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 1: And I gotta say thank you for for what you 778 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,080 Speaker 1: guys have eve been doing, man, because it's it's so important, 779 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,800 Speaker 1: it's so important. I mean, I watch the show with 780 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 1: John Abraham. 781 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, it was a really deep, real. 782 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:04,840 Speaker 2: Deep one, right. 783 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 1: Yes, he got sober, right, Yes, I thought, which is 784 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 1: really cool. Christian Pondan was a good one too. Yes, 785 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 1: I appreciate with you guys, because sometimes we get lost 786 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,279 Speaker 1: when those playing days are over, and we got to 787 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 1: look out for each other. So what you guys are 788 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:21,280 Speaker 1: doing is really important. 789 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, man, I appreciate that compiment. Man. 790 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 6: You know, Peanut has really gotten I think since doing 791 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 6: this podcast, I've seen growth in him and being able 792 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 6: to accept compliments and understanding that we all got a purpose, man, 793 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 6: But right now to kind of live through this and 794 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,719 Speaker 6: getting to actually meet a lot of our own heroes 795 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,799 Speaker 6: and legends that we saw and watch grow up. And 796 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 6: it's been really cool to have you on and so 797 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 6: many other great guests. 798 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 5: But then you know, you never know how. 799 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:48,759 Speaker 6: This thing is going to go when we get up 800 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,359 Speaker 6: here on the right And then for you to sit 801 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,320 Speaker 6: up here and be so candid and so open about 802 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 6: your walk through life with your son dealing with autism, 803 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 6: going from trying to coach it out of him to 804 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,879 Speaker 6: really having your wife loving on you and making sure 805 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 6: she's fighting for this family to keep it strong and 806 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 6: get you on that straight and narrow path. For such 807 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,760 Speaker 6: a strong man that accomplished so much in the areas 808 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 6: that we think is all the credit in the world, 809 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 6: but to be able to sit up here humbly and 810 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,279 Speaker 6: tell us us like, Man, I was down, yeah, but 811 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,439 Speaker 6: I'm here now. Really kind of shows us like, man, 812 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 6: it's light. And this is why we do this podcast. 813 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 6: It's to be able to shine a light on all 814 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 6: of us that are really going out here and walking 815 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 6: that straight and narrow path, trying to do it the best. 816 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:27,320 Speaker 5: Way we know possible. 817 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,880 Speaker 6: After we hang up the cleats, when all the lights 818 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,759 Speaker 6: are off and nobody's really paying attention to our struggles. 819 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 5: We appreciate that. 820 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, well said man, Thanks man, Thank you appreciate it. Man. 821 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,279 Speaker 6: Well, well, Peter, you want to get us up out 822 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 6: of here, dog, Yeah, thank you all for listen, doing 823 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 6: a great job. 824 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:47,799 Speaker 4: Thanks for tuning in, Like, Share, subscribe, follow, give us 825 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,880 Speaker 4: a five star rating. iHeartRadio app Apple Podcast. You can 826 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,840 Speaker 4: check us out on Peanut that's. 827 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,440 Speaker 5: Wrong, that's Rodney Pete. 828 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:56,919 Speaker 2: Hey. 829 00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 4: We appreciate y'all. Thank you all for listening, tuning in. 830 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:04,720 Speaker 4: Chill next time we're out