1 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:12,319 Speaker 1: Welcome Inside with the Insider's alongside Judy Battista a and 2 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: Round the Book and Mike Garrafolo in blockwise order. I 3 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: am Tom Pelvicero. This is the Monday podcast and YouTube 4 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 1: edition of our show. 5 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 2: It slid seven pm Eastern. 6 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: Time every Monday as we look ahead to Monday Night 7 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: football and look back at all of the action that 8 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: we had on Sunday. There's an exercise, Judy, that we 9 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 1: do every week in terms of sending in our biggest 10 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: takeaways to the producers Macro Francis and Jeff Collette. 11 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 2: Guests coordinate and you don't. 12 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: You don't check email, but I'm just thinking a wild 13 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: guest that we've all had. We may well have all 14 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: had the same biggest takeaway late last night upon getting 15 00:00:55,440 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: that email, which was, uh, Saquon Barkley is beyond a 16 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: star again right now for the Eagles. You heard the 17 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 1: MVP chance a little bit at the end of that 18 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 1: game last night. It's unbelievable, even by the high standards 19 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: that Saekuon said when he was healthy in New York. 20 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: You look at his career numbers, Judy, this is beyond 21 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: anything he's ever done. Like, it's not close. This is 22 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: such a huge year, and the way he's fitting into 23 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: that offense, the physical style and everything. 24 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 2: I gotta lie like it's it's pretty fun to watch. 25 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 3: It's awesome to watch. I think the key here is 26 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 3: how he fits into a really good team. Like, well, 27 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 3: let's not get you know, Giants fans, as you can imagine, 28 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 3: you know, their heads are exploding when he goes off 29 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 3: like this, and you sort of have to keep reminding 30 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 3: them gently, like he would not be doing this if 31 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 3: he were at the Giants unless the Giants had also 32 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 3: signed the entire Philadelphia Eagles offensive line and also had 33 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts there and two really good receivers, like this 34 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 3: would not be happening if he were at the New 35 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 3: York Giants. He is the perfect piece in that offense, 36 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 3: in an offense that just needed probably one more piece 37 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 3: to be able to do this. He's and he's been healthy, 38 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 3: most importantly, which was always an issue in New York. 39 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 3: He's been phenomenal. I mean he has been what you know, 40 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 3: Dave Ghettoman, the former Giants general manager, imagined he could 41 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 3: be in the NFL, right, I mean, it just didn't 42 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 3: happen at the Giants. This is what everybody thought he 43 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 3: could be when they drafted him. It's super impressive and 44 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 3: to me it makes the Eagles just a bigger picture. 45 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 3: They're the only team that I think really has a 46 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 3: chance to topple the Lions in the NFC. 47 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, the the thought of like would he 48 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 4: be doing this for the Giants is obviously something that 49 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 4: you know every time every time fans watch, they sort 50 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 4: of will lose their mind, which you know, I get. 51 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,399 Speaker 3: Well fans, not just fans, also people who should know better. 52 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 3: Are people in our business who should not better. 53 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 4: Oh hold on one second, Mike talk. Uh it's not 54 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:19,679 Speaker 4: that important, but uh uh. Daniel Jones has cleared waivers, 55 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 4: which which I think everyone has everyone has assumed. But 56 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 4: now he is officially a free agent, so he can 57 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 4: sign with anyone. So that is one thing I want 58 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 4: to all right, So sorry about that. I want to 59 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 4: go back to oh Tom, that's interesting. I want to 60 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 4: go back to to s. Sorry. So several things can 61 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 4: be true, and I think it is really hard for 62 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 4: us to separate, like for us to say, like one 63 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 4: thing is true and one thing is is not. All right, 64 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 4: So if Segwon Barku was on the Giants. He would 65 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 4: not have this production right. I think the Giants did 66 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 4: the right thing and not paying for him. Now you 67 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 4: can argue the McKinney one. That's a little separate. I 68 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 4: think they did the right thing based on where they 69 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 4: are is an organization and where their offensive line is, 70 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 4: where their holes are. I think they did the right thing. 71 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 4: The Eagles did the absolute right thing for them and 72 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 4: getting an incredible generational player, paying him a lot of 73 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 4: money and putting him into their offense, and it has 74 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 4: worked out incredibly well for them. It also could work 75 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 4: out well for the Giants. They have a young running 76 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 4: back where they spent a six round pick on who 77 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 4: is on my fantasy team named Tyrone Tracy, who has 78 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 4: been really, really good. I'm not saying it's he's also good, 79 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 4: not just being on my fatas team anyway, who has 80 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 4: been good, and he I don't know that he's going 81 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 4: to turn into Sequon Barku, but he is good for 82 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 4: them at a price that works for them. Both of 83 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 4: these things are true. And I get the sort of 84 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 4: quote unquote embarrassment for the Giants. I just don't think 85 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 4: it's real. I just also don't know how to get 86 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 4: everyone to stop thinking that. 87 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 5: When you say what Judy said about you know he wouldn't. 88 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 5: Saquon would not have done the same thing with the 89 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 5: giants like your you're almost absolving them of any blame here, 90 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 5: which is not what she's trying to say or what 91 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 5: anybody's trying to say. You know, they had the chance 92 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 5: to build this stuff around him and didn't do it 93 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 5: to regimes, you know. Always thinking back to today, I 94 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 5: was thinking about that, uh, David, David Dave Gettlman when 95 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 5: he was GM and he drafted Saquon. I wasn't at 96 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 5: the game, but I remember our mutual friend of ours 97 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 5: duty by the name of Bob Globber from Newsday now 98 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 5: enjoying rights retired, but I remember he. I think he 99 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 5: put in a story or he tweeted it at the 100 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 5: time or whatever, basically saying that Gettleman was saying it 101 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 5: loud enough Saquon ripped off a run against Washington there, 102 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 5: I believe, and said it loud enough. 103 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 6: For all the media to here. 104 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 5: Boy, I'm glad I drafted that guy second. 105 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 6: Overall or something like that. 106 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 5: And I'm sure Getleman's sitting here right now and being like, yeah, 107 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 5: like this is what we were. 108 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 6: You know, this is what I saw. 109 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 3: But they couldn't put an offensive line in front of him. 110 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 4: He didn't do it. You want to that conversation, Let's 111 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 4: talk about the quarter of that they've patched over. I know, 112 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 4: I know, right, I was team Gettleman on this. I 113 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 4: thought it was a good pick. 114 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 5: Well, but it's it's you know, the faults with the 115 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 5: Giants don't lie in twenty twenty four with Saquon Barkley. 116 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 6: They lie in twenty three, twenty two. 117 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 5: You know, they just didn't do it all along the way. 118 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 5: And that's what I think is most frustrating for Giants fans. 119 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 5: Is okay, great, you can say we didn't make the 120 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 5: right or made the right decision this march and this 121 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 5: wouldn't have happened here, But what about all this time 122 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 5: we wasted with this guy? So he is and I 123 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 5: give the Eagles credit for breaking you know, I saw 124 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 5: Jake Rosenberg, who was the former salary cap guy for 125 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 5: the Eagles and did the contract negotiating and. 126 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 6: All this stuff. 127 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 5: Now is has moved on and is doing things elsewhere 128 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 5: in the college football world and has a toe in 129 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,239 Speaker 5: the NFL world. But he was part of the signing 130 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 5: of Saquon Barkley because he stepped down. A couple of 131 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 5: months after that, he posted just the clip of Saquon 132 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 5: ripping off that last run. So I think the Eagles 133 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 5: are pleased that they broke from what they use. They 134 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 5: paid a running back and it is paying off, and 135 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 5: I think that they're ay proud of that, and the 136 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 5: fact that they're doing it to a team in their 137 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 5: own division, rubbing their noses in it. 138 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 2: Here's the other piece of it. 139 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: And I've seen all like the cliched stuff, but no 140 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: one's ever gonna do hard knocks again and all that. 141 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: Like they explained the Saquon decision, Okay, like I thought, 142 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: first of all, I thought that was the best inside 143 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: football show that's ever been. 144 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 2: Produced, second best. 145 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: I don't think it's bad to have your thought process 146 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: on record. Having said that, there's no way I having 147 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: Giants could have possibly en vision Saquon having not even close. 148 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: I mean, he's already set his career high in rushing 149 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: yards in eleven games. 150 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 2: Like your your worst case. 151 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: Scenario is the guy stays healthy and he's really good, 152 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: not he might be the MVP of the league. That's 153 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: where it becomes harder to defend. But you know, does 154 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: he have that season in New York? You go back 155 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 1: to the last few years. Okay, first year, right, go 156 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: through his O career at twenty eighteen, thirteen hundred rushing 157 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: yard thirteen oh seven, twenty nineteen, one thousand and three 158 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: rushing yards, twenty twenty played in two games. 159 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 4: Oh wait, wait, the second year was the head the 160 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 4: anculator of ninety three yards? 161 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 3: Yes, he started having injuries. 162 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: Then that's right, five or ninety three yards and thirteen 163 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: games in twenty twenty one twenty twenty two, bounce back. 164 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: That was a really good Giants team that couldn't throw. 165 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: Slayers ran it constantly thirteen hud and twelve yards, ten touchdowns, 166 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, nine and sixty two yards. In other words, yeah, 167 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: what everything you're saying is right in terms of how 168 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: they didn't build around this talent, but it's also the 169 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: guy wasn't available a lot of the time. Could a 170 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: better offensive line, could a better quarterback have taken some 171 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: of that load off of him? 172 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 2: He doesn't get hurt like we don't know these. 173 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 1: Are all these are all hypothetical things, But you're talking 174 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: about paying a twenty seven year old running back who, 175 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: by the way, the Giants had tried to pay on 176 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: three separate occasions, and what he got from the Eagles 177 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: was not that far off from what he'd been offered 178 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: the previous march by the Giants. He just got to 179 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,040 Speaker 1: a certain point you decided, you know, risk verse this 180 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: reward here. We're going to minimize our risks, spend the 181 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: money elsewhere. The unfortunate thing is, your team right now 182 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: is bad, and the Giants are a bad team right now, 183 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: and they're watching a very good division rival that might 184 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: be the best team in the NFC. Have this guy 185 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: be a huge part of their success, and that's got 186 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: to be a painful thing from the inside. Probably not 187 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: as painful as the torn triceps for Brandon Graham last night, 188 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: who confirmed that news. It was about the only bad 189 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 1: news for the Eagles on that night. When you think 190 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: of the big picture, Mike and you spend probably more 191 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: time around the Eagles than. 192 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 2: Any of us here. 193 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: They've been going back to the middle of twenty twenty one, 194 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: the second half of Nick Serrani's first season, when Shane 195 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: Steggen took over the play calling, they've been a very 196 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: good team. They've been to the playoffs three straight years, 197 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: they made the Super Bowl run in twenty twenty two. 198 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: In your mind, how does this Eagles team compare to 199 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 1: those Eagles teams we've seen here over the past few years. 200 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 5: This month feels more maybe I'm gonna walk this back already, 201 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 5: and even say, more youth driven, I guess than some 202 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 5: of these other teams that were more veteran driven. You're 203 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 5: always got a mix of that, but I feel like 204 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 5: the influx of youth in the secondary has injected life 205 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 5: in the defense. And even if you count like Ni 206 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 5: Kobe Dean and Nolan Smith and these guys that are 207 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 5: starting to show up. And I say this because Brandon 208 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 5: Graham is now off the board and he'll still be 209 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 5: around the team and a. 210 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 1: Great dude by the way, And he said last year, 211 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: I know, he said last night he hadn't thought about 212 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: the future yet. 213 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, He's gonna. 214 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 4: Let people randomly reach out to me today to be like, 215 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 4: you know what, Brandon Graham is an awesome guy, which 216 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 4: like I've always heard is a good guy. But like 217 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 4: maybe because the injury, everyone was just like wanted to. 218 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 1: I always selfishly judge, like you know again this is 219 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 1: very micro, but like for us, the person who's leaving 220 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: the building and will stop and talk to you anyway, 221 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 1: that's Brandon Graham. That's he's a. 222 00:10:58,240 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 2: Pretty but normal dude. 223 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 5: He'll also seek you out when you predict that they're 224 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 5: gonna lose the game. And but he does it in 225 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 5: such a nice way. He does everybody. Derek Gunn who 226 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 5: he loves d gun I remember him going after d 227 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 5: gun one, not going after him, but finding him afterwards 228 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 5: and uh, giving him a whole bunch. But he does 229 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 5: it with a smile on his face, and he does 230 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,439 Speaker 5: it inside. That's the way he trash talks, which NFL 231 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 5: Film has done a great job of catching that over 232 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,599 Speaker 5: the years, and and and the Eagles have put it 233 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 5: out through their own channels. And the way that he 234 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 5: kind of says like smile on his face and like 235 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 5: with the respect to the opponent, but also saying like 236 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 5: I'm gonna be on your butt all game, all games. 237 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 6: So he'll still do that. 238 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 5: I don't know if it's gonna be easy for him 239 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 5: to be able to do that, knowing he can't back 240 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 5: it up by being. 241 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 6: On the field. 242 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 5: Uh, but the respect that that the that the players 243 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 5: have for him, and he'll he'll provide as much of 244 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 5: a boost as he can by being out there with 245 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 5: the team as much as possible. You know, between Jason 246 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 5: Kelcey and Fletcher Cox and these guys checking out last year. 247 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 5: I did think it was interesting that he came back, 248 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 5: given how badly landlast year it ended. 249 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 6: And I don't think it had to do with oh, I. 250 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 5: Got to run this back and erase that taste out 251 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 5: of my mouth. I think it was more he felt 252 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 5: like he had one good year left in him, at 253 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 5: least one good year. So I, Brandon, do whatever you want. 254 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,959 Speaker 5: Your career is, it's already been written in stone. Nothing's 255 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 5: gonna change. You don't have to prove anything. But if 256 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:18,599 Speaker 5: you do decide that you feel like you've got a 257 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 5: little bit of football left and you want to come. 258 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 6: Back, UD be happy to happen. 259 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, can I can. So I was thinking about 260 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 4: what you're microsoft about with with what this Egos team 261 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 4: looks like, and I was listening to our good friend 262 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,719 Speaker 4: Schrager talk about this on Good Morning Football Today and 263 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 4: he was like, Jalen Hurts has been more of a 264 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 4: game manager, and it was like kind of weird to say, right, 265 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 4: because I was like, oh, that's sort of an insult. 266 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 4: It's really not, but a lot of people think it's 267 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 4: an insult. He really has been. And I think a 268 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 4: lot of the reason why this team has been just 269 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 4: to look like a machine is because they don't make 270 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 4: a lot of mistakes. They sort of like, I mean, 271 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 4: hands the ball off forty times a game to the 272 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 4: best running back in football, which certainly helps, but it's like, 273 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 4: got a great defense, we got Saquon, don't make any mistakes, 274 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 4: don't force anything you don't need to, and it is 275 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 4: such a perfect way to play because when you're you know, 276 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 4: blocking with that offensive line that you got, like you 277 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 4: can really just wear teams down. And if that, like 278 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 4: Jalen Hurts has already gotten paid, he's already gotten accolades, 279 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 4: he's already been in several different MVP conversations. If this 280 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 4: is the way it is, I feel like this is 281 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 4: the best version of this team. And I you know, 282 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 4: obviously you look like you did last night, and you're 283 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 4: probably unstoppable, except maybe by the I don't know, maybe 284 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 4: by the Lions. I mean, they look like a little 285 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:38,839 Speaker 4: bit like this Lions teams, which just moves you out 286 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 4: of the way and doesn't make a lot of mistakes. 287 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: I mean, right now, I would think if you're just 288 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: stacking up the NFC, you have the Eagles, you have 289 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: the top three teams in the NFC North. That's probably 290 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 1: kind of where you draw the line, right I think 291 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: a lot of people would look at this and say, 292 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: there's nobody in the NFC South that you really really 293 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: fear at this point, and the NFC West is just busy, 294 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: kind of beating each other up on a weekly basis. 295 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: Let's stay in the NFC East though, because Judy, we 296 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:09,319 Speaker 1: touched on the Giants, they've obviously got many many problems. 297 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:10,559 Speaker 2: They're coming off the buy. 298 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: There's two things in the league that you can do 299 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: to try to generate some type of a sea change 300 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: in a spark. It is benure quarterback or fire head coach. 301 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: They benched the quarterback, they made the big move. They 302 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: go to Tommy DeVito. They face the Bucks team that 303 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: also looks more dangerous now, see I, and coming off 304 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: of their you know, coming off thereby getting Mike Evans back. 305 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: But that was bad, I mean that was really bad. 306 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: And now you have a nationally televised game against the 307 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: Cowboys team coming off of Bunkers win, which we can 308 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: talk about in a moment here. Judy, you were there 309 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: when John Merra said earlier this offseason he wasn't considering 310 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: major changes. He was looking to be patient. Take me 311 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: inside the brain of John Marra and inside Ben you 312 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: know what they got to be thinking right now. 313 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 3: Well, John meher was approached by reporters after the game 314 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 3: yesterday and wish them a happy Thanksgiving, which is something 315 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 3: he would do, but declined comment, which is also something 316 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 3: he would do. I keep going back to. I have 317 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 3: thought a lot about exactly what he said that night, 318 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 3: which is now about a month ago, five weeks ago, 319 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 3: when he said, you know, he was not going to 320 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,359 Speaker 3: make changes during the season, and I do not anticipate 321 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 3: changes in the off season, which leaves, you know, a 322 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 3: little bit of wiggle room there. There is no way 323 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 3: that four or five weeks ago he anticipated they would 324 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 3: have only two wins and lose to the Carolina Panthers 325 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 3: in Germany and get blown out at home by the 326 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 3: Tampa Bay Buccaneers coming off of BI. I mean, there's 327 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 3: just no way he could have imagined. You know, the 328 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 3: sequence of events I'm not saying that changes where he 329 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 3: ultimately lands at the end of the season, but it 330 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 3: is so much worse than anybody expected this season to be. 331 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 3: If you remember before the season, John Marris said like 332 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 3: he did not issue a playoff man. He said he 333 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 3: wanted to see progress. Well, I mean he's not seeing progress. 334 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 3: He's seeing regress. Right, They're much worse than they have 335 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 3: been at any point with Shane and Dabel And you know, 336 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 3: I know Joe Shane during the bye week said he 337 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 3: thought the team was close, and you know, you're just 338 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 3: sort of you saw it yesterday and you're thinking, how 339 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 3: how can you possibly look at this team and think 340 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 3: they're close. I you know, I don't know where John 341 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 3: Marra will ultimately land at the end of the season 342 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 3: when this is over, but this is certainly much worse 343 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 3: than you know. I mean, I've talked to him at 344 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 3: some event and he said, like, you know, we've got 345 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 3: to win games. I mean, I mean, this is the 346 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 3: most basic thing, and they're not winning games. So I 347 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 3: can't imagine his frustration level. 348 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 4: So I always I always go through this weird thing 349 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 4: where like when a coaches, I understand why there are 350 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 4: questions about Dabele. So I'm certainly not naive, and when 351 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 4: a season goes off the rails, there should be questions. 352 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 4: It is fine, it is par for the course. It 353 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 4: is business. I don't think da Ball forgot how to coach. Now, 354 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 4: if you lose the locker room, that is different. I 355 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 4: don't think Brian Dabele forgot how to coach, forgot how 356 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,479 Speaker 4: to coach. So for me, the main problem here is 357 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 4: to become good, to become like, to reinvent yourself, like 358 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 4: we've seen, like let's say, like the Houston Texans right 359 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 4: now are the best. They're not having the greatest season ever, 360 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 4: but they're they're a great example of like they were 361 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 4: bad for several years, they collected all the draft picks, 362 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 4: and then they got good. I think the Patriots are 363 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 4: kind of going through that now too. It's like to 364 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,199 Speaker 4: be good, sometimes you gotta go way down. So like 365 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 4: it's I understand the record is bad. I understand there's criticism. 366 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 4: The season is off the rails, you had to cut 367 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 4: your quarterback, you're watching Saquan dance all over your graves. 368 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 4: It's all bad. But if you believe in the leadership, 369 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 4: if you still think Brian Dabele is a good coach, 370 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 4: you still think I don't think Joe Shane's in trouble. 371 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 4: But if you still think Joe Shane is a good 372 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 4: general manager, then you should just wear it, do nothing, 373 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,199 Speaker 4: suck it up, take the criticism, and just be like, 374 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 4: this is the way to get good is you have 375 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 4: to be bad. And when teams talk about building the 376 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 4: right way, you can definitely do that. It's very important, 377 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 4: but it sucks so bad. And I was saying about 378 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 4: this with the Patriots stay too, like what did people 379 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 4: think was going to happen? What did they think it 380 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 4: was going to look like? When you're rebuilding, it looks 381 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 4: like this, So anyway, that's my soapbox. 382 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 5: I would I mean, most owners probably do care what 383 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 5: the fan base things. 384 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 6: I would say that there was yes, there's. 385 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 5: A minority that's just like whatever, we're gonna go about 386 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 5: business the way we do things, but most do. I 387 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 5: would also put John at the top of that list 388 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 5: of owners who actually like reading. 389 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 3: Email yes and responder response. 390 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, which Wellington did for years and he will never 391 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 5: change that. So I you know, it's like you live there. 392 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, you've you've lived this. Every couple of years. 393 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:06,479 Speaker 4: Darkness consistent though, that's amazing, Ben mcadow darkness. 394 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: In other words, where's the level of vitriol toward the 395 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: team or apathy or whatever it is. Where where is 396 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:15,239 Speaker 1: it rank among all these five different changes they've made 397 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: in the last decade. 398 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 6: It's growing. 399 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 5: And you know, I don't remember, maybe in two thousand 400 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 5: and six when things were bad for Coauflin there was booing, 401 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 5: but it's just there's so much booing now and it 402 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 5: seems to happen on days. Yesterday was not one of them, 403 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 5: but it seems to happen on days where they're honoring 404 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 5: the legacy of the team, and it's just like it 405 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 5: just creates that contrast of things used to be so. 406 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 6: Great around here. 407 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 2: Now. 408 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 5: You named all those coaches, You named all those Ben McAdoo, 409 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 5: Pat Shirmer, Joe Judge and Brian Dable at this point TBD, 410 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 5: these are all coaches that John Marra and Steve Tish 411 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 5: and John Tish together hired. Dave tom Cofflin was not 412 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 5: a that was a Wellington Mara higher. I mean, that 413 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 5: was still the previous regime. And as a matter of fact, 414 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 5: you could say that the John Marra eron don't forget 415 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 5: about Steve Tish, but John Marra, Steve Tish and John Tish. 416 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,679 Speaker 5: The best coaching head coaching decision that they've made was 417 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 5: not firing Tom Kaffin after two thousand and six, So 418 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 5: they get to have that one head coaching higher where 419 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 5: they go. 420 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:14,239 Speaker 6: Here we go. 421 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 5: We hired this guy and he won us a Super 422 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:19,479 Speaker 5: Bowl or had sustained success. So that's why a lot 423 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:20,959 Speaker 5: of folks are down on John. I mean, I've been 424 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 5: around long enough. I think he's smart. I think he 425 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 5: runs a good organization. I think for the most part 426 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 5: since I've covered the team, they've made good football decisions. 427 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 5: But just lately it just hasn't been. 428 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 1: Elsewhere in the NFC East, we had one of the 429 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: most definitely top five bizarre wild finishes that we've had. 430 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: Oh my god, this just us to color this a 431 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: little bit for you here. So I was out in 432 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 1: Los Angeles, had a wedding for a buddy up in Ohi, California. 433 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: I went to the office, did game day morning at 434 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: the crack of dawn, and then I was fine. So 435 00:20:55,080 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: I was following red Zone on my phone while like 436 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 1: standing from the sky club to standing in line to 437 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 1: get on the plane. I had run into to Hansen 438 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: right before I left, as he was about to go 439 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 1: and get on the air, and he's like, ah. 440 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 4: You know, you should have watched him to Red Zone. 441 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 4: I would have been actually really fun. 442 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 2: So I had to leave. I had to get on 443 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 2: the plane. 444 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: So he's like, oh, you're traveling, all right, Well you're 445 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: gonna be watching today, right I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm 446 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: gonna be watching Man and then his like even Scott's temperature, 447 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: which generally is like right before the mercury bursts out, 448 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: the glass was like was all the way burst on 449 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: that show. The entire sequence of events from the I mean, 450 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: the Cavane turpin one of the best returns I've ever seen, 451 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 1: like straight up a video game move the spin so 452 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 1: the Commander's going down and scoring to the botched operation, 453 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: I do feel like Judy, you know, sending some of 454 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: the All right, let's separate some of these things here, 455 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: because the Cowboys now get the Giants at all. The 456 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: Giants are clearly if they can't find some energy coming 457 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 1: off that game, it's it's potentially gonna be ugly. Even 458 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: with Cooper Rush quarterback for Dallas. Dallas when's that game 459 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: on Thursday. 460 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 5: You're kind of feeling like, hey, they're five and seven, 461 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 5: they're getting healthier. 462 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 2: Maybe they're not totally totally dead just yet. 463 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 1: With the Commanders, I feel like this is the classic 464 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 1: regression to the mean, where early in the season it 465 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: felt like every bounce that could go Washington's way, they 466 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: got it, including the literal bounce on the hail Mary. 467 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 1: Now all of a sudden, it's not quite quite serio. 468 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: Now it's not quite you know the same. And you 469 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: watched that game yesterday. They were playing and coaching above 470 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: the level of the talent. Now all of a sudden, 471 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 1: there's seven and five. They're on a bit of a slide. 472 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,679 Speaker 1: The Eagles control the division. It's two teams that are 473 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: both in really interesting spots right now. 474 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 3: First of all, shout out to Greg Olsen, who was 475 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 3: on the call for the coop is just he was 476 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 3: basically saying what everybody at home. At one point he 477 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 3: said like, I don't even know what we're watching, Like 478 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 3: that's that was what the game was like. So love 479 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 3: Greg Olson. Anyway, Yeah, the Commanders are backsliding, and at 480 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 3: first you could say, is this Jaden Daniels rib injury 481 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 3: is at the Cliff Kingsbury you know, the annual Cliff 482 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 3: Kingsbury offense stalling out in season. What is going on here? 483 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 3: But they're not running the ball the way they were 484 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 3: early in the season, and maybe that is because of 485 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 3: Jaden's rib and so they're protecting him understandably. They're not 486 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 3: throwing the ball down field, although when they did yesterday 487 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 3: late in the game like whoa big play touchdown, So 488 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 3: like they're not doing the things that they were doing before. 489 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 3: Jayden actually addressed it after the game and he said, 490 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,360 Speaker 3: you know, we need to adjust. We did adjust today, 491 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 3: we just did it too late. And that's what that 492 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 3: felt like was, you know, they were only they only 493 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 3: scored however many points in the first three quarters of 494 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 3: the game, and then you know they just exploded as 495 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 3: the entire game exploded. So they sort of adjusted too late. 496 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, they've got it. It's an understatement 497 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 3: to say like they've got to stop, they've got to rectify, 498 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 3: and they've got to get their offense closer back to 499 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 3: what it was. It may not be able to go 500 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 3: all the way back to what it was early in 501 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 3: the season, but they've got to get it closer to that, 502 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 3: because they're just not good enough in other phases of 503 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,959 Speaker 3: the game to make up for the fact that the 504 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 3: offense has now stalled out. 505 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 4: To Yeah, just to set the scene kind of like 506 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 4: Tom did. I wasn't in Los Angeles, but I was 507 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 4: in a different place in Westchestern, New York, watching on 508 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 4: my iPad. You got to get NFL Plus on the iPad. 509 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 4: It's so much better than the phone. I was watching 510 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 4: Max at a hockey game and there's like an hour 511 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 4: and we drop them off and they do a bunch 512 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 4: of stuff, so we just sit there and hang out. 513 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 4: So I'm watching on iPad with all the other parents around, 514 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 4: and it's on reds and you know, they're bouncing back 515 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 4: and forth. But there was a lot of it was 516 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 4: cowboys commanders, and I was literally just sitting there yelling, 517 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 4: and I'm sure all the other people like, what is 518 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 4: this idiot doing staring at his iPad screaming because it 519 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 4: was like the craziest stuff you could possibly ever imagine, 520 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 4: and it was so fun and I wish it would be. 521 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 4: It would have been more fun if the cowboys were 522 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 4: still like I guess had it better than the three 523 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 4: at the playoffs next Gen gives them. This is like 524 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,199 Speaker 4: those win probability charts where you're like they have no 525 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 4: percent and then they're like actually wait and you're like, Okay, 526 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 4: that didn't make sense anyway. So I wish it was 527 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 4: more like important. The one thing, like Judy was saying 528 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 4: about the Cliff Kingsbury late season struggles or whatever, that 529 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 4: should be fake. It should be not like he's very smart, 530 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 4: he is a great offensive mind. He can adjust as 531 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 4: well as anyone. That should not exist, and it seems 532 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,679 Speaker 4: stupid that it exists, except the stats are kind of 533 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 4: like what they are, and so it it's like we 534 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 4: talk about it, and I like anyone else will talk 535 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,439 Speaker 4: about it, and like, you know, if they can bust 536 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 4: out of it and have a really good second half 537 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 4: of the year, then maybe we'll stop talking about it. 538 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 4: I just don't know enough scheme wise to explain why 539 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 4: this really smart guy who can adjust, who has a 540 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 4: great command of his players, is a great play caller, 541 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 4: who is an offensive coordinator that anybody would want, turns 542 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 4: into a pumpkin the second half of the year. And 543 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 4: I just I would like to see the Commanders do well, 544 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 4: if or maybe even just score points, if only to 545 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 4: end that narrative which is so strange and dumb but 546 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 4: also maybe true. 547 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:42,239 Speaker 5: Your meaning, Mike, I'll try to explain it and explain it. 548 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 4: Go, I want to hear it. 549 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 2: What's happened? What's happening over there? Mike? 550 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 3: What is that? 551 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 4: Elephants already just put your removers. Know that there's a podcasting. 552 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 6: That's my three year old. 553 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:00,120 Speaker 4: We know. 554 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 2: Is this the explanation of about Cliff kings where he 555 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 2: Mike h office and. 556 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 6: Uh, the explanation for Cliff Kingsbury. 557 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 5: I remember covering the Ravens game we too when he 558 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 5: first became a head coach, and hearing the d Backs 559 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 5: in the locker room after the game talking about how 560 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 5: all the stuff that they were seeing they had never 561 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 5: seen before and really had their head spinning. And I remember, Uh, 562 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 5: there's another game early in the season, a Cliff coach game, 563 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 5: and it was the same kind of thing. Like, man, 564 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 5: we took us a quarter to figure out what the 565 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 5: heck was going on. Maybe it was a half or whatever. 566 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 6: It's possible, It's quite possible. 567 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 5: That he does a great job of scheming things up 568 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 5: in the off season and brings it into the season 569 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 5: and then you put enough on on film and teams 570 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,719 Speaker 5: can start to sort of adjust and and see it. 571 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 5: I mean, the defenses are really good about once it's 572 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 5: up there and they can see it, you know, and 573 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 5: stuff carryovers from year to year. But I'm sure there's 574 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 5: a lot of good self scouting that he does or 575 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 5: in the off season. The other thing is he's got 576 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 5: a rookie quarterback this time, and now you've got tape. 577 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 6: On him as well. 578 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 4: It seems to be true. 579 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 5: And you get a veteran coach like Mike Zimmer yesterday, 580 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,199 Speaker 5: a veteran defensive coach, of course, he's going to put 581 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 5: him in situations where he knows he's going to feel uncomfortable. 582 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 6: And and I haven't really just watching the broadcast, it 583 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 6: was like. 584 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 5: Ball's got Ball's got to come out, and it wasn't come. 585 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 5: And there's a reason the ball's not coming out is 586 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 5: because he doesn't like what he sees obviously. So I 587 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 5: just think that they have to do some self scouting here. 588 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 5: Their bye is still to come. It's in two weeks, 589 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 5: so latest bye I think you could possibly have, which 590 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 5: is two weeks. 591 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: Six teams have not had their buy Baltimore, which is 592 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: in New England, Denver, Indianapolis, and Washington have a Week fourteen. 593 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 6: By which is awesome. Awesome. 594 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 5: If your quarterback on your fantasy team is Jaden Daniels 595 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 5: and then he's not available that week for the first 596 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 5: week of the playoffs. 597 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 6: That's great. 598 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 2: You know. 599 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 4: Wait first, No, it shouldn't be the first week of 600 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 4: the player it's the first week of the fifteen. 601 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 2: Sixteen teams in the playoffs. 602 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 6: We do three rounds of playoffs. 603 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: You get it, Oh you do, yes, no, but that 604 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: should be weeks fifteen, sixteen seventeen. 605 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 4: People have void week. People avoid Week seventeen. 606 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 6: Then oh wait, now you know what, You might be right. 607 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 6: You might be right. I may have miscalculated, that's right. 608 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 5: You know what I forgot. We added a game to 609 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 5: the season because the NFL did thank you for eighteenth week. 610 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: Yeah so all right, Well, I don't know if we 611 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: have resolved anything in this podcast, but we did fix 612 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: Mike's problem. 613 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 2: Ok, it's pretty for the record, how you doing. We 614 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 2: do not have East Coast bias on the show. 615 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: We are aware that divisions are than the NFC East exists, 616 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: and good thing for that. 617 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 2: We got a part two of this podcast. 618 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: We will get into the pairs who have been on 619 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: their own roller coaster. 620 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 2: We will the pairs talk about the Bears. 621 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 4: Bears like pears. Yeah, that's great, Chicago pears. 622 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 2: The fruit game. 623 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 4: That's Kingsbury turned into a pumpkin and the Bears turned 624 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 4: into a pair. 625 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 2: All right, we will talk about that. 626 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: We'll talk about the Thanksgiving games, not the Cowboys Giants one, 627 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: but I'm about the good one with the Packers and 628 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: the Dolphin. 629 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 2: We got other ears to get into as well. 630 00:29:58,480 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 4: Be a stick around. 631 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 2: Part two of this shows Mike Ian and Judy. I'm 632 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:04,479 Speaker 2: Tom will see them