WEBVTT - Special Edition: 2018 Oscar Buzz 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:02.840 This episode of Playback is brought to you by Warner Brothers. 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:05.920 A Star is Born. As we talk about important films 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:07.880 of this past year, this one is top of mind, 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:12.080 resonating with critics and audiences for its emotional authenticity, and 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:14.720 the film's director, Bradley Cooper, is being recognized for his 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:17.119 brilliant work as a filmmaker and actor, along with his 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:20.360 cast Lady Gaga and Sam Elliott for their stunning performances. 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:23.560 Varieties Film critic Peter de Bruge has said Bradley Cooper's 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:26.160 directorial debut as a dazzling reminder of why we love 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:28.680 movies in the first place. In Los Angeles, Times critic 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:31.520 Justin Chang said, from the first frame, it casts a spell, 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:33.800 the kind that lets you know immediately that you are 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:36.840 in good hands. A star is born for your consideration 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:55.520 in all categories. You're listening to Playback a Variety I 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:59.440 Heart Radio podcast. I'm your host, Variety Awards Editor Chris Tapley, 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:02.160 and we're changing things up a little bit this week. 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:06.039 We've got the lovely Janelle Riley office here today, the 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:09.679 deputy Awards and Features editor or something like this. We're 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:14.000 not really clear. It's very long and important title. Basically, 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:15.759 we've got the band back together. Jennelle and I used 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:18.479 to talk about the Oscar season every week, and we're 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:21.600 gonna talk about the Oscar season today. Uh, you're the 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:24.040 lucky ones listening, So thank you for coming on the 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:28.560 show general. Absolutely. Um. Yeah, Like you know, late December 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:32.320 probably a good time to start talking about awards, like 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:36.480 we haven't been talking about it. Yeah. Um, you know, 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:39.000 I thought I would start by just kind of this 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:41.800 is my assessment of the Best Picture category, and just 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:44.440 to kind of layout where we're at right now. We've 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:46.920 had a ton of critics give out awards, regional critics 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:52.160 across the country, which I they're not like important in 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:54.240 terms of oh that means oscars are gonna happen for 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:56.280 these movies, But I do think it's instructive when you 0:01:56.320 --> 0:02:01.240 see how such a wide variety of people period are 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:04.440 voting on these awards, and at this point, I think 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:07.480 we've got like twenty groups of have chimed in and 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:09.640 so it just gives you an interesting data point list 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:12.080 to look at. Also, of course, we've had the Screen 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:17.480 Actors Guild released the strange nominations I mean, not completely 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:20.440 off the wall. But I sort of saw the Bohemian 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:23.400 Rhapsody ensemble coming. It's a little weird, just I think 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:25.880 we'll get into that. But part of that is definitely, 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:29.880 I think the merger of AFTRA with absolutely I don't 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:32.079 know who the voters are anymore. I used to be 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:36.640 able to predict the agwards perfect jockeys, and that's no disrespected, 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:42.000 but you know, you're basically I don't know what. And 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:44.920 also we've had obviously the Golden Globe nominations, which is 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:48.040 ninety four in journalists who have their own take, and 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:50.440 a couple of other things. So let's just dive in 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:53.720 with the Best Picture race. I'm still at the number 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:56.520 one in two that I've been on since August. I 0:02:56.520 --> 0:02:59.079 think number one is Stars Born. I think number two 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:02.760 is Roma too in you're saying just your terms of nominations, no, 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:05.040 just in terms of what it's likely to get nominated. Uh, 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:06.440 you know, I think those are the two at the 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:09.400 top of the heap right now. I'm so impressed with 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:12.160 Roma because it has so much going against it, black 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:15.640 and white, foreign film, and then the Netflix factor, which 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:18.440 you know, I think is stupid, like any anybody's saying, 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:20.880 like Netflix isn't really seeing real movies or you know, 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:25.320 they don't count, or something like needs to Did he 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:28.079 really say that, he said something like that. I mean 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:30.480 he kind of said and I don't want to misquote him, 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:31.880 but it was something like he did he didn't think 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:34.840 that Netflix movie should be up for Oscars? Really And 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:38.520 did he add get off my Lawn? You might have, 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:41.600 but they didn't print it. But yeah, I mean, it's 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:44.440 it's just indicative of where were things are changing. They're 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:46.600 making great movies. They're making they're making movies no one 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:50.760 else will make by the way they and you know, 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:54.000 so I'm thrilled to see how people are embracing Roma 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:56.000 because you know, there is that that bubble. We live 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:59.520 in several bubbles actually where I was like, of course, 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:01.960 we all of it. But you know, I've been to 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:06.119 some screenings, I've done some screenings and really it's it's 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:09.680 it's speaking to everyone absolutely. Yeah. I think it's the 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:11.600 best movie of the year. Really, yeah, I mean I 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:14.040 think it's a masterpiece. I mean also speaking to everyone's 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:16.800 stars born it's like it's kind of hard to be 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:20.760 that big of entertainment and that's successful at box office 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:23.280 and also be so beloved by critics, and I don't 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:25.880 thrilled for the success of it. That's why I love 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:29.000 that movie so much. I mean that movie. People don't 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:32.360 really realize how difficult it is to pull off populist filmmakers. 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:34.680 Oh my god, right, and when when it's done, you know, 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:36.520 I know there are people that are snarky about Argo, 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:40.159 but that movie had a nice movie, had tomato. So 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:43.520 there's some revisionist history that happens instantly after the only 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:46.440 got snarky when Argo became an Oscar movie or Lalla 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:48.960 Land for that matter. It's great filmmaking. And again, it's 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:51.240 hard to pull off and and and dude did it 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:53.360 on his first movie. I mean, Bradley Cooper has been 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:56.560 on sets for a while, but like he clearly knows 0:04:57.000 --> 0:04:59.720 not just it's damning with fate, praise to say he 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:02.159 knows how to put a movie together. He knows how 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:06.960 to truly tell story with with imagery, and that that 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:09.919 is the trick. He did a great job. And I 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:12.000 don't think anybody objects to a star is born. Well, 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:14.839 maybe there are some people that, you know, I think 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:17.320 it's too popular for its own good. Guess. I think 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:20.840 it's winning Best picture probably. Um. I also think that 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:24.360 like there's the cynicism of like, oh, Star is Born. 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:26.560 You know, people always say like this movie was created 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:30.000 to win Oscars. It is the fourth iteration of a 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:34.719 story we all know starring an well an untested leading 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:38.080 woman and the lead. Like this was not you know, 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:41.840 a packaged, manufactured movie. It's like it really comes from 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:43.720 the heart. It's also the best version of that story, 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:47.640 which is far. Yeah, I think some people might disagree 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:49.440 with that. There's a lot of Judy Garland fans out there, 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:52.080 but that movie felt like it was forty hours long. 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:55.320 I just think this is this is an expert piece 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:57.320 of filmmaking, and I think and I think that I mean, 0:05:57.400 --> 0:06:00.520 and just in my conversations it hasn't lost really steam, 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:04.159 like people know that this is a good movie. And yeah, 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:06.400 I just it's the front runner to me right now, 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:08.960 the one I would look out for is Black Landsman, 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:11.719 And I was very curious, you're jumping ahead. Oh sorry, 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:14.279 you're jumping ahead. But that's interesting that you would go 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:16.400 there next. I think number three would be Green Book. 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:18.400 At the moment, I don't know, I feel like it 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:21.080 really needed to they were selling it all along as 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:23.120 even if critics don't like it, it'll do great at 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:25.760 the box office. And it hasn't hasn't done badly, Like 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:28.120 it's not a flop like people say, but it hasn't 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:30.120 become the runaway hit. I feel like it needs to 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:32.760 be to win it certainly. I don't think it would win. 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:35.919 Just in terms of nominations nomination. All of this for 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:39.440 me is like, this is the order I think it 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:42.279 would be nominated, like like on the Finalist, Let's explain this. 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:44.600 I find actually if I rank something, people are like, 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:46.560 you think that's gonna win, And it's like, so I 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:50.159 think of me think Internet, I guess I should captain 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:55.200 Cape nice that the studios page you up have each 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:58.680 other giving you. This is this list to me is 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:01.440 just in order of likelihood to be nominated for Best Picture, 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:04.600 Like you know what I mean, And you disagree with 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:06.720 Book at three, I do you think it would be lower? 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:09.080 I do? I think Black Clansman would be third? And 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:11.400 I was waiting for the SAG nominations to really have 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:15.080 Black Plansman at four to be good. People love Green Book, 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:17.400 that like that the stuff. You know. I have my 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:20.080 issues with the movie. The studio knows I have issues 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:22.240 with the movie. Uh sorry, guys, Oh do we need 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:26.840 to cut to the egg copy now? But I'll read. 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:31.480 I think that people don't that that's not registering for 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:34.280 everyone really, and uh, people are going to like what 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:36.960 they like. I'm being vague. I mean, look, there's I 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:40.080 guess there are critical points that have been made about 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:42.720 the movie that it's kind of got a rose colored 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:48.120 grasp of racism in the sixties, right, and and you 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:50.560 know people have called it like driving this daisy of 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:53.520 of this era, and blah blah blah, this isn't this 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:56.440 isn't me. And whether it is or isn't, I'm not 0:07:56.480 --> 0:08:00.760 even gonna touch this anymore because I'm upset people. But 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:03.680 I will just say that the point being that hasn't 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:08.760 really translated to the voting populace, right, So it's it's people. 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:12.000 You know, an Oscar winning Best Actor Oscar winner. I 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:14.040 just heard yesterday it's his favorite movie of the year. 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:17.960 I'm hearing that a lot people, really. I mean, herschel 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:22.400 Ali is you know, so beloved. People really like vegle 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:28.360 mar is overdue as well, and he is. Yeah, but 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:30.480 number four, I would say, as Black Clansman, you think 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:33.319 that's up there too. Here's the thing, Um, I was 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:35.600 hearing from so many people how much they love this movie, 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:38.320 and a lot of chatter about Spike Lee being overdue, 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:41.400 which you know, I guess he is um even though 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:43.880 he's not like I think everyone really respects him, but 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:47.160 he's not cuddly you know that show not that you 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:49.840 have to be. Yeah, no, I I think he's great. 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:52.400 I adore him, but you know he's not um. You 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:54.160 know someone you want to throw your arms around. We 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:56.240 can see him UM. Not that you should be doing 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:59.319 that with anyone, by the way, yes, without permission. But 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:02.240 I was really wait to see if that translated into 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:04.800 SAG nominations. And when they got the ensemble nomination, I 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:06.720 was like, Okay, the love is there. And then as 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:10.319 I haven't been predicting for weeks, if not months, and 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:12.720 everyone was telling me I was crazy. John David Washington 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:15.120 got in Yeah, and you know, we put them on 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:17.360 the cover of Actors on Actors, and I said, like, 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:19.800 I think this is like Daniel Coluga last year. It's 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:22.959 a lead actor in a breakout role of a movie 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:25.760 that is really beloved, and I think he gets an 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:29.200 OSCAR nomination. H I have that spot going to Ethan 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:31.240 Hawk at the moment, but we'll talk that is. Yeah, 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:33.880 I think this gets back to what we're talking about 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:36.240 about SAG and how there is a caveat here, like 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:39.640 it's a much different organization than it was a few 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:42.480 years ago, and so how does that shift how you 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:47.760 determine what their picks mean versus what the Oscar choices 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:49.360 will mean. I mean, for the longest time, if you're 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:51.320 not nominated for an ensemble, you're not going to win 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:53.400 Best Picture. In Shape of Water just did it last year, 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:55.480 So it's gonna happen, or maybe not this year because 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:58.199 I've forgot Stars Born is nominated for ensemble. But like 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:01.680 a lot of the top movie, we're not the favorite. 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:05.640 But we were just talking about favorite, wasn't Romo wasn't 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:11.800 So Mary Poppins wasn't, which actually surprised me. That's my 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:17.559 number fives returns is wonderful, frightful. I I kind of 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:19.760 felt like, I don't know if I still feel this way, 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:23.040 but I certainly after I saw it in an industry crowd, 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:25.559 I was like, that's the movie that feels like it 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:28.280 could be the Star is Born. Um again, I don't know. 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:30.400 If I still feel that way. The critics kind of 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:33.160 like they did not embrace it as much as I 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:37.080 expected them. I've had a huge break with the critics 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:40.599 this year. I'll just say that much. But yeah, and 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:44.400 who knows how that kind of thing will affect perception. 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:47.840 But yeah, I mean it's just I think Rob Marshall 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:50.120 and company nailed it. I think it's a It's a 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:54.959 hugely craft heavy, beautiful film. Like below the line, everything 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:58.319 they did in that movie was like just it was sumptuous. 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:00.640 It was great, like that the whole animal and sequence. 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:04.000 You know, it's no one else but Emily Blunt could 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:08.439 play that role. She is so fantastic. She's perfect for it. 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:11.800 And I just feel like, more so than any other movie, 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:13.880 it is something different. I mean not to say that 0:11:13.960 --> 0:11:16.160 these movies are all the same. They're so not, but 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:18.439 it is the one that is the feel good solved 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:21.400 for our soul. That's key. It's absolutely yourself because like 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:24.640 all these movies make you feel like shit in various ways. 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:26.760 If we're honest, at least at some point. Yeah, I 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:28.920 mean it's like this, That movie sends you out on 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:32.599 a cloud literally with a song singing. There's nowhere to 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:35.280 go but up. So I don't know. I think that 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:38.959 that connection fires in the synapsies for some brains. You know. 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:42.160 I've got for number six, The Favorite, which is not 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:45.079 a movie I liked, I adore, and you don't like. 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:46.840 I don't like it. I saw it and tell you right, 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:50.000 it's would you watch it again? I would? I love 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:51.920 the screenplay and I love the performances. I just like, 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:54.800 why do you not like the movie because of the filmmaker? 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:57.679 I mean, do you respect to Mr lathamos? I just 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:02.439 think that is it the land in too much on 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:04.120 this one? Like I know he's a guy who loves 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:06.520 to just put his fingerprint all over the movie, but 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:10.040 but it was it was too far for me to 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:12.560 enjoy this film. And yeah, the camera work I thought 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:16.360 was hugely questionable. It's so interesting because I think, like 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:19.360 my biggest testament to filmmaking is when I don't notice 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:22.199 it's And I definitely was pulled out a couple of 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:25.160 times by you know, those those shots. But overall, I you, 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:27.080 I would not have believed this was a yorgo slam 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:29.360 from his film. Well that's all about the script a 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:31.160 little bit, I think too. I mean it's he didn't 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:35.000 write it. Um, are you sure about that? Why? I 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:37.079 don't know. That's what information. I don't know, No, no, no, no, no. 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:38.840 I just I would assume if you wrote it, there 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:40.400 would have been arbitration and his name would be on it. 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:42.839 He well, yeah, but we know how that works. We do. 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:47.160 But this doesn't feel like it doesn't It doesn't mean 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:49.480 you know, the voice of it doesn't feel like him. 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:51.640 I don't know, but I don't know anything further. But 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:53.520 I should have done more diligence on this movie this year. 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:55.199 I should have talked to Robbie Ryan the DP and 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:57.199 been like, look, your lighting was beautiful. Why are you 0:12:57.240 --> 0:12:59.719 doing these whippans that are totally unmitt it motivated? Why 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:03.640 are you doing these fish eye lenses? That was you know, 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:06.000 there's all these modern touches, like of course the dance number? 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:09.720 Did you not laugh during the dance number? I don't 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:12.640 remember the dance number? Are you serious? You're trying to 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:16.360 awake I know the elevation and tell you right, I don't. 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:19.560 I don't, honestly, I don't remember it. What is that refreshman? Oh, 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:22.480 it's it's actually sort of near the beginning where Joe 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:25.520 Allen and Rachel Weiss are dancing together and it turns 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:29.559 into this weird modern sort of elements dance where like 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:31.600 he has a high kick in the air right at 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:34.360 the camera and I do not remember that. What do 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:38.960 you call this movie where you go behind yourself right now? 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:42.120 And actually no, I don't. I don't remember that. And 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:44.280 you know I saw it like five months ago, so 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:47.920 you know I will see it again. Any like of 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:52.160 the movie does not matter, obviously, thankfully, I think people 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:54.800 would say, actually, interestingly enough, it's very rare. I like 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:59.800 all the movies on the list. Yeah, which is the favorite? 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:01.719 Is more than the key thing about a movie, like 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:03.839 the favorite is below the line. I mean, it's like 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:06.400 it's a craft heavy movie. It's going to pull people 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:09.800 from the various branches into it. Uh. You know, it's 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:12.000 doing really well with critics, one of the most critically 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:14.920 claimed movies of the year. And the performances. Again, I 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:17.200 love I love Olivia Coleman. I think she's fantastic glad 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:20.680 lead I don't know, Yeah, yeah, I do, I think 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:23.800 she could. I actually think support I have a problem 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:26.960 with putting her in lead, but certainly that seems to 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:29.360 be the overwriting take is that she was supporting, but 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:33.800 I I think they're all three leads personally. I don't 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:36.360 disagree with that honestly, but for some reason I find 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:38.760 it more to be Emma Stone story. Yeah, that's that's 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:42.640 the overwriting logic. I think this is very strange. I'm 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:45.320 trying to look up a gift of the gift of 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:52.960 the favorite dance and Black Panther probably my top three 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:54.840 of the year. I think some people think it's like, 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:57.640 that's gonna win. Like, I think I don't have it 0:14:57.840 --> 0:14:59.880 on the tier that a lot of other people do 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:03.320 in terms of nominations, but I could end up wrong there. 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:04.960 I do think it's the Best Picture player, and I 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:06.680 have for a long time. I mean, you don't make 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:11.400 seven million dollars in the States, which is like, wow, 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:15.080 you don't you have that, plus the critical acceptance that 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:17.640 you had, and the embrace of course the cultural and 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:21.320 pop cultural crater that it's left. If this movie wasn't 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:23.400 nominated for Best Picture, it would be a blight. And 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:25.360 there's people that are like, oh, it's just a Marvel movie. 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:28.560 I don't understand. Watch it again, bro, Like this movie 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:30.520 has way more on its mind than other Marvel movies. 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:33.720 It simply does. It's fantastic, it's a great story. Let's 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:36.640 talk about the cultural significance all, you know. I interviewed 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:38.560 Michael B. Jordan recently and we talked about all the 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:41.520 black panthers and kill mongers we saw at Halloween and 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:45.000 how exciting that was. And he was joking about he 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:47.120 saw a kill monger with like a beard drawn on 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:51.040 with a sharpie. Yeah. Yeah, I just feel like, you know, 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:55.720 someone said on Twitter, ha ha, of course, something like 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:59.720 superhero movies are made for for for teenagers and children, 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:03.160 and I'm like, what what about movies that are about, 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:06.120 you know, centering a conversation about growing up with systemic 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:10.560 oppression versus growing up with like, as Michael B. Jordan 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:12.920 said to me in an interview, a tribe that encourages 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:15.320 you with positivity. I mean, that's an important conversation that's 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:17.120 being had in a major movie that made seven hundred 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:21.960 million dollars. Who's that movie for? Yeah, obviously everyone, it's 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:25.560 such a fantastic movie, just you know, superhero or not. 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:28.160 I mean, honestly, like the only other movie that I 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:30.520 would put up there with that in terms of it 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:33.000 is another superhero movie is spider Man into the Spider Verse. 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:34.800 Oh my, got so good, so good. I wish I 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:36.960 would love to have that on this list. Yeah, I 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:39.400 mean I think one of the critics groups speaking earlier, 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:42.760 Utah Film Critics Association, they gave it best Picture, which 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:46.080 that's the right awesome. Yeah, number eight, I have vice 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:51.000 pretty low here talk about the critics takings that is 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:52.960 the most divisive movie I think of the year. That's 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:55.080 funny because we both really liked it. I loved it. 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:57.440 I mean, but there are people that have said, with 0:16:57.560 --> 0:17:00.240 a straight face, it's the worst movie of the year. Oh, 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:03.400 come on, it's definitely understanding. Yeah, how can you say that? 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:06.280 But I love that movie. I think it's like rich 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:10.879 and just like I keep saying, I sort of stared 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:13.880 into the void afterwards, because it just talk about leaving 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:16.879 you feeling like shit. I mean like this is a 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:21.400 portrait of a soulless individual and an incredibly efficient bureaucrat 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:25.320 and uh, it's it's you know, Adam McKay saying, hey, 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:26.879 maybe this is how we got to where we are 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:29.520 well and also like what is it that they want 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:31.560 from that movie? Do we want to find out that 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:35.040 like Dick Cheney is like a secretly lovable guy, or 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:37.959 some people think that it was being sympathetic toward him. 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:40.320 And I know that the filmmakers have said that they 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:43.400 found the story emotional, but to say that it's sympathetic, 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:45.920 I think it was fair to him. Yeah, I don't 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:48.280 know if that means sympathetic. Yeah, if if that reads 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:51.399 sympathetic to you, then then you know, just check yourself 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:54.360 a bit maybe. But like, also, how can you argue 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:56.800 against the artistry of a movie that you know, has 0:17:56.920 --> 0:18:01.120 characters start speaking in Shakespearean verse, or does credits role 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:05.760 made film or just like just really creative original filmmaking. 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:09.080 It's bold, Yeah, I mean, and I think it's in. 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:12.000 But getting back to the critics, you never know how 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:15.080 that kind of a profile will affect the movie. But 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:17.920 I've seen it. I've I've been in a handful of 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:21.879 gatherings full of Academy voters at the premiere, at a 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:24.359 private event for screening for the movie as well, and 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:29.679 I was picking up Love and Passion, So we'll see. Then. 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:31.679 I've got Anna parn his other film this year, If 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:33.760 Beal Street Could Talk, which is one of my favorite 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:36.159 movies of the year. Actually, these two are back to 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:38.639 back on my top five. I love that movie. Um, 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:41.359 I love Barry Jenkins. Everyone I think that listens to 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:43.159 the show knows how much I love him. He's been 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:46.200 on twice and I hope this movie makes it through. 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:49.120 Uh you know it might not. I thought it would, 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:51.919 but now you've got me worried. Yeah, you know. By 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:54.320 the way, have you heard about this the story, um, 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:58.480 about Barry Jenkins's worst day on set. Oh, well, the 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:00.919 angriest he's ever been honest at and the biggest fit 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:04.280 he ever had happened on Beale Street and he kicked 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:09.080 the box and then immediately apologized, Like everybody was laughing 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:11.640 about how like you know, you hear about directors having 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:13.680 melt downs and apparently he kicked the box and was like, 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:17.040 I'm sorry, I'm sorry. And that's Barry Jenkins at his worst. 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:21.200 I love him. It's the photography is stunning. Let me 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:24.640 talk about below the lineup peal. The score is outrageously good. 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:27.840 And I also wanted to say if any Academy members, actors, 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:32.159 branch members are are are listening, I don't know, man. 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:36.360 I think Brian Tyree Henry deserves a supporting Actor nomination 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:39.520 for this fantastic. I wanted him for Widows. When I 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:42.359 first saw Widows, I thought he was so gripping in 0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:45.600 that movie, and the scene with Violet Davis dog terrified me. 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:47.200 And then I saw him in this and I was like, 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:49.720 nominate him for this. And he's in it for like 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:53.320 five ten minutes. He covers a range in this scene. 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:56.240 It's one scene where he's just gotten out of jail, 0:19:56.560 --> 0:20:00.280 and you know, the conversation between him and Stefan James 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:04.159 goes from like jovial to yeah, man, I'm I'm a 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:06.800 little damaged from this, and you hear more about that, 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:09.120 and it's just it's it's a stunning scene. I find 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:10.960 him so much more dessert. You know. I never like 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:12.920 to say that people are snubbed if they're not nominated, 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:15.280