WEBVTT - Greatest Coaches with Clark Jones 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:12.000 Welcome to the Greatest, a production of I Heart Radio. Okay, 0:00:13.240 --> 0:00:16.799 welcome to the Greatest. I'm really having trouble wrangling the 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:20.200 boys today. I am your host, Megan Gaily. I'm joined 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:24.560 by my husband C. J. Toladano and our guest, who 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:31.520 is wearing a beautiful bracelets, Clark Jones. Hello everyone, Hello, 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:34.640 my favorite Mary Couple. For those in Chicago, you'll know 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:39.559 him as Clarkness Jones. Just so you're never whatever your 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:43.000 first nickname was in comedy, it stays forever. But that 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:48.280 is specifically, we didn't have y'a didn't start on the 0:00:48.280 --> 0:00:52.440 South Side of Chicago, where a nickname was imperative to have, 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:55.200 Like you couldn't just be your government. So many communities 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:58.120 have terrible government names that I think that's where it started. 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:02.560 I come Christian names, and you call them government government? 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:06.800 Are you the first? I just say, like you're I 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:11.040 think of like birth certificate as your Christian or wait wait, wait, 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:17.120 wait wait, I want your hand because I'm not saying 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:20.520 and my eyes. I called that that's like what I 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:23.840 heard growing up, Well, that's that's their Christian name. We 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:28.000 grew up the exact same Christians. I was named, not 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:32.080 my actual name is not a Christian name, nor your 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:35.479 parents took a month of the year, took a letter 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:40.119 off the end. What I don't understand is for you, 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:43.160 c J. Do you have a problem with Clyde. No, 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:46.440 I've just I've tried it. My personality doesn't say Clyde. 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:49.680 I think now, if if a bunch of people started 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:52.280 calling you Clade, you fit into the moment. But you 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:55.400 get friends to change. Right now, no one's going to 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:58.120 start calling me. Everyone calls me Clyde. Ironically, c J. 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:01.240 People are giving up me like this is the time 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:03.680 of change, started a new year. Then I got to 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:08.560 start acting like Clyde. We're Clyde, Gaily, Gaily, it's your 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:12.320 new name official. I guess I gotta give some context 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.840 to this conversation we're having. Clark Jones, very very funny comedian. 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:18.840 Thank you. We have all known each other more than 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:22.919 a decade. We came up in Chicago comedy together, and 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:25.600 now we all Clark and I, well, gosh, I guess 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:28.679 we've all lived in Chicago, New York and l A. Yeah, 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:33.720 we've done it. We've taken the longest path. We've done 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:37.320 every major city that you can do comedy and uh 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:41.400 just we keep just following each other like you somebody said, 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:43.680 I think it was a comedian. Julia Rozzy is like, 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:45.880 how do you get a comedian Chicago? I mean to 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:48.480 talk about Chicago, just ask them where they're from and 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:51.320 it will be an hour long and the DJ and 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:56.840 I aren't even from there, but you are though you 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:58.760 know you were from Iowa till I did your show 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:03.920 two months ago. Was like, oh okay, when from northern Clifform, 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:06.560 Is that where I would have lived if you would 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:12.080 have guessed if I somewhere near the Apple Store Second 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:16.000 City checking out Second City shows? One day I'll be there. 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:17.840 I actually kind of get a fending when people are like, 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:20.160 you're from Chicago, right, and it's like I feel like 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:23.240 I rep Indie as hard as someone can, but it 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:27.400 doesn't matter because the Chicago cloud just just outweighed, like 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:29.880 on stage, it's beautiful, like, oh, that's where her life 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:32.920 was before Chicago. It's like for you to talk about 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:36.520 where you were born, but you're a Chicago comedian. Yes, yes, 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:38.840 I always say yes, I'm from Chicago when people and 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:41.800 people say that, I'll take that. Yeah, y'all got married, man, 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:44.680 you can do whatever you want. I'm not married, but 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:49.680 I respect the business of marriage. Not even I don't 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:53.160 believe in all the like fairytale ship, but like the 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:57.080 business acumen it takes to be with two uh to 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:02.200 come together and have a horizontal merger. I respected. We 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:04.320 still need a hand in the PaperWorks. Yeah, we have 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:12.000 not signed our officiate Kara, who does not like sports 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:13.800 and will probably never be on this podcast. And if 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:18.520 you hear her, something went wrong, she has not signed 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:22.480 the paperwork yet. No, no no, no, we're going to We 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:25.239 just like keep We've seen her multiple times. I shattered 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:27.000 a wine glass in my hand at her home on 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:31.680 New Year's really bad cut myself, so I it was like, 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:34.520 I'm holding my hand above my head, like I think. 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:37.280 I go to the emergency room and everyone's like, you're fine, 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:39.520 and we actually fear for you to get pregnant because 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:43.320 you're being so dramatic about that. What's your joke about it, Megan, 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:48.120 not even like but that, I like, I shattered a 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:50.960 wine glass in my hand, which is the injury someone 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:54.240 gets right before they go to rehab. For me, that's 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:59.039 like the scene in a biopic about a musician before rehab, 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:01.039 but instead I was like, they were like, do you 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:04.080 still want to drink? And I'm like, yes, I'm hurt now. 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:07.200 And in the preview, it starts with the glassdropic and 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:09.640 then it's just like music goes out and then in 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:13.280 the beginning how it started her bits, that's just just 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:18.400 her jogging, like Ali, that's like us dark Rose always 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:19.880 has an a c L injury, Like, oh, it's a 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:22.640 c L. That'd be like Megan got another wine related 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:29.839 injury that glasses, but I drink eight glasses. Sorry, I'm 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:32.479 doing business over here for the podcast. I'm just I 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:35.240 have to put the little time around. Okay. So we 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:39.800 wanted to have you on because you love sports, obviously 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:45.040 you will love to argue I love I'm I'm unshakable 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:48.680 in my opinion because I don't share them until they researched. 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:54.240 Always I don't. I don't just say it. It's and people, 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:56.640 even with my jokes is all based on some sort 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:59.279 of truth because I have a horrible memory. So I 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:01.480 just say that I already know to be true. You 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:05.279 and c J. I think Clark and I have had 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:08.680 honest conversations about this. You and c J. You know 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:13.480 you have a contentious past just based on the facts 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:17.760 of your c J is in camp Lebron. Yeah, Clark 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:22.120 is in camp Jorgan seriously, Yeah, but he didn't. You 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:26.120 didn't take anything here when I started in kind that's 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:29.160 like everything here. But I will say Lebron is one 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:30.880 of the best coaches of all time. He's not on 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:34.000 my list, but he's a really good coach. That's actually 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:36.400 a very interesting point. He's one of the he's a 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:39.320 better coach than player. Yeah, that's true. It would say that. 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:42.719 And GM he's maybe one of the worst gms. Um, 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:46.240 I would say until this year. Until this year, maybe, well, 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:47.919 but that remains to be seen. What he does with 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:51.680 the little blond blonde hair cutie, Now, who's where's he 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:55.880 going to shop him? It's blond and like c J 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:58.080 told me about, he's like Kosma's hair is blonde. And 0:06:58.120 --> 0:06:59.240 I was like who. And then when I saw it, 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:02.480 I was like, who's don't want to be there because 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:07.719 they're talking about and he retweeted that that that trainer 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:10.080 who said Lebron didn't put it in the work. I 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:14.920 thought that was spicy. Yeah, goodness, this is a little spicy. 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:18.360 But someone who's a friend with the covers, the Lakers. 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:20.040 I won't give up their name. You got the team. 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:24.440 But so they were interviewing right after best friends with 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:28.560 Wind and Horst, Oh my god. And I could remove 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:33.440 any journalists from journalism, it would be Brian always. I 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:36.080 always point to him. I hope you're not listening, sir, 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:38.560 because I do respect your work. He's always who I 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:40.400 point to to be like, see what they let men 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:44.000 look like on TV right right? And they heron Clayton 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:47.760 and him just a mediocre recurring guests. And he's followed 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:51.840 Lebron since he was a kid. He's creepy illegal do 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:57.040 you um? I did not, And I now I've liked 0:07:57.120 --> 0:07:59.600 I've I've grown to like him in the past few years. 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:02.080 And I've lost a job because of him, really because 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:03.880 I expressed that I did not like him. I was 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:07.640 interviewing for like a sports on his job. I thought 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:09.559 it was like a trick question. I thought they were like, okay. 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:13.320 So it was like two thousand and they're interviewing me. Yes, 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:15.200 he was interviewing me to be a segment producer on 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:18.560 Sports Nation. And it was Max and Marcella's and they're like, 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:21.120 what do you think of our host? Do you like Max, 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:22.800 and I thought. It was like, oh, are they gonna 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:24.640 get rid of Max? I'm gonna say how I actually 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:26.800 feel about it. I was like, yeah, I just don't. 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:30.760 I don't like his minute for the show, that minute 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:34.400 for the network, for the show for the show he 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:37.360 was hosting for the So this man with job security 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:40.480 you said you don't like and you didn't get the job? 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:44.920 Did they asked you about Marcella's or just max um 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:48.400 And they asked me separately, so they didn't. I was like, 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:52.120 I want marcellis is shirts to be like a size 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:55.640 bigger because he can't feel that his tie is never 0:08:56.120 --> 0:09:01.600 properly on something. Do they make us an? I don't know. 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:05.160 Before c J and I I think I I know 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:06.840 I've said this publicly, so I'm not sure if it 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:08.600 was on this, But before c J and I started 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:10.880 dating and film love, I was like, I bet I'll 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:13.719 wind up with Marcel. I was like, I bet I'll 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:17.880 be with like a retired athlete who had some fun. 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:22.080 Did you did you assume offensive or defensive? I think 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:25.680 she was like, you know, I love alignman, you loved 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:31.199 who's the safety for the big safety for the Colts. 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:33.719 C J went to high school with him that he 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:36.559 graduated right before I went to school. He was my 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:40.440 brother's classmate. Bob Sanders and Mike Brown to my favorite safety. Well, yeah, 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:44.200 they're amazing, insane. Yeah, we saw him. He came to 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:46.400 the freeee we went to the Dwight free knee Jersey 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:52.600 retirement where why is everyone laughing? That's the pilgrimage for me. Well, 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:57.199 it was really sad because everyone, every Hall of Famer was, 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:01.160 Peyton was all, Marvin reg everybody came back and the 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:05.000 Colts had to start Brian Hoyer because Brissette was hurt 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:10.000 and we lost the Dolphins us like some of the 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:14.200 greatest who is who's even on the Dolphins anymore? Nobody? 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:19.320 Some do named Drake Kenyan Drake Nan drank fumbled and 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:22.200 the announcer they showed him like upset about it on 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:25.080 his eyeline and he's like, well, Kenyan, Drake appears to 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:32.160 be in his feelings over there. Speaking of NFL, you 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:36.560 have been doing a bunch of the NFL Fox pregame shows. Yeah, 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:41.760 rig Yeah, how did that come to be? They just 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:45.719 needed someone with a gap? Is that what it was? 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:50.280 You are supposed to be Straighthand I'm straight. Michael Strahan's dentist, 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:54.920 who has who has no apologies about not doing anything. 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:58.040 I'm very just like, it looks great to me. Now 0:10:58.040 --> 0:10:59.880 did you did you go to an audition and you 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:03.120 saw other men with gaps there? This was literally a 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:08.680 direct casting. There was no process, which it sounds like 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:11.520 I'm humble bragging or just bragging, but no, it just 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:14.160 worked out like that. You know, uh, some people know 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:17.160 me was like, oh, he'd be great. I'm guessing Bennett 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:20.120 Webber is involved. Yeah, he's the he's the writer. Shout 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:23.240 out to Benn Webber. Great guy. Actually, the whole team 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:26.000 with that is really good. And it's it's just been 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:29.720 It's like, you know, it's perfect for you that It's 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:32.640 just one of those diskuis opened up type things. Because 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:35.839 I used to My profile picture used to be micro 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:40.400 straighthand smiling with this gap and then I actually have 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:45.679 thought about closing it before. That's what people said. That's 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:48.680 what people said, we have you have a dear friend 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:52.319 who closed the gap. I have several people don't even know, 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:54.760 but like, yeah, I was in New York and I 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:57.400 was getting booked on anything, and I was just like, 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:01.360 I gotta I gotta change this and glad I didn't 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:04.120 know the gap is so cool. Got Chris Rock got 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:09.240 it closed, right, Rock got it close. Denzel Um I 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:12.960 won't say the other comedians, but because he gave me. 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:14.960 He was like, you got skinny, and I go, you 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:18.720 close your gap. He goes, yeah, but I got fat. Yeah, 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:21.800 so you're quick with the retorts. That's good. Uh yeah, 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:23.959 A lot a lot of if somebody has perfect teeth 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:26.599 in the Hollywood, they had, so there's a whole Instagram 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:30.840 account people who had celebrities way gaps and got him closed. 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:33.640 It's a whole account. I watched Sweet Home Alabama. This 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:35.920 was like a year ago and Reese. Reese had her 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:39.160 o G teeth and they look I mean, they're obviously 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:41.960 straight and like good teeth, but I was like, these look, 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:45.880 she looks so different based on it. Yeah, it's something 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:48.240 about it. And esupposed to be in the comedian. It 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:51.280 was like I would never I wouldn't really smile much. 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:53.800 And I found out found out people like when that 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:56.080 too smile. I didn't find this out to like two 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:58.839 years ago, so like I would just be serious on 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:00.640 stage and I tried to make that work for me. 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:06.000 I tried to force that on the audience. It is 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:08.120 funny because I think in the first few years of 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:11.120 doing comedy you force a person that you think is 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:13.480 supposed to but then you just get so tired of 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:16.320 trying these things and you become yourself. You have to 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:18.480 reach a level of I don't give a funk anymore 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:21.600 and you just you just write that wave. It's so 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:24.000 it's so weird, like in the beginning your soul. I 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:26.320 know this is a comedy podcast, but this is important. 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:30.080 Like you're trying to every you gotta find your voice. 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:31.559 You gotta find your voice, and you're looking at and 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:33.000 you're trying to force it. Now you're gonna be a 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:36.760 super comedian, or you go through your phase and you 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:39.920 go through your hoodie phase and you're trying to force 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:41.880 it to figure it out. But then what will happen 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:44.760 is it finds you and people aren't ready for that, 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:47.720 because once it finds you, that might not be what's 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:51.439 in vogue at the time, but it's already chosen you 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:53.959 and you just gotta either wait that out or make 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:59.880 it work for whenever. So genuinely you that they're like fine, 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.360 it's for that. I mean, I used to remember opening 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:06.320 for a gy and opening for a guy and he 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:08.880 was like, you have to stop wearing dresses on stage? What? 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:13.920 And it really sucked and and like he was famous, 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:16.679 and so I'm like, okay, well, and I didn't really 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:19.360 even take it to heart. But it's like I don't. 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:21.680 I'm not even like my wear dresses on stage, Like 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:25.280 that's not even what it's like. Sometimes I'm sometimes I'm 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:29.120 just like wearing whatever. I almost think it was less 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:32.240 for me, Like I have to find who I am. 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:35.520 I feel like I knew too early, Like I knew 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:37.440 who I was, but I didn't have the skill set 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:41.080 to communicate it yet. Do you wear jeans at all? Yeah, 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:43.400 wear jeans. Have jeans on right now, but they're not 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:47.200 jeans jeans. There you were, you were like blue jeans, jeans, 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:51.040 blue jeans. I can't. I can't think of a time. Yeah, 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:53.280 wear blue jeans. Listen, I make sure they're high waisted. 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:55.160 And I got a little bit. But that's what that's 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:59.120 what it is. I mean this it is like the 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:02.200 Jordan's and when Jordan wore the band the black and 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:06.920 Red against uniform code and then it became his thing. 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:10.640 It's because we It's why we have everything that is 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:13.400 in fashion in the NBA. Now, every player has their 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:16.120 own calling card, like every comedian has their own calling card. 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:20.120 You yeah, I imagine if we're all like following the 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:22.840 rules of a road comedian, which was like we were 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:27.080 a consistent comedian job until maybe like fifteen years ago. 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:30.120 That's why all of you were wearing such stupid hats 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:36.640 in Chicago. I like heads. I'm talking about like those 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:41.560 like Irish hats. You had a phase, right, I didn't 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:42.800 had a phase where I made out with men in 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:48.400 those So it's like, did you go through a soup phase? 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:51.880 Like No, I hosted that fake talk show or that 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:54.080 you know, and I wear a suit during that? What 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:57.480 about Lincoln? Did you ever where they made us If 0:15:57.520 --> 0:15:59.240 you're hosting, the rule was you had to wear a 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:01.160 suit because you had to rest better than the audience. 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:04.560 I kind of like that. That was like you were 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:06.800 performing for a show that has an identity. But that's 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:09.960 also assuming that you guys, and I knew you had 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:12.680 nice suits, which you did not. I think you guys 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:17.480 shared a suit will quiz and we just got a 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:21.120 really big suit. Okay, Um, we're gonna take a quick 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:23.480 break and then we will come back and get right 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:34.120 into our rankings, and we are back and that well, yeah, 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:36.280 well we're going to get into the premise of the show. 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:42.240 And this we mentioned earlier. It is perfect that you 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:46.720 are on this show because all of our sports conversations 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:50.000 barely can be called conversations. Their debates have I think 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:54.880 currently we're you're in a troll phase towards you know what. 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:57.400 It's not even intentional, and I feel like when we 0:16:57.400 --> 0:16:59.280 were younger would have been a lot more dragged out. 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:01.880 But something, you know, I don't go hard on you 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:06.439 when we when we go, and I know, I also 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:09.320 know you show some restraint, which I which I respect 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:12.600 because I know this ship is more important than facts 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:16.280 and that true. Is it better to be right or 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:18.800 to be there? Also kind of on like the same 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:22.080 team to some extent because like you liked Jordan's you know, 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:24.960 I mean, I'm not even I know, and this is 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:28.439 a whole episode in itself, but I'm a I'm a 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:31.960 Kobe guy more so only because that was the era, 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:33.960 Like I saw the start of his career all the 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:36.520 way through the end. I didn't see the start of 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:39.679 Jordan's career right and the whole lebron thing. Let me 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:42.320 just say this. Let me say these two things real quick. 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:47.119 Two things this man Stephen A. Smith level, I just 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:54.919 put it to bed. One, you can't be the greatest 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:59.760 shooting lesson from the field from free throws too. If 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:03.719 his career, if you take away the Miami years, I 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:05.960 would be willing to say he's the greatest of all 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:10.840 time if he only if he only played with Cleveland 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:13.399 and he sought that through, he stuck with that and 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:16.840 eventually brought that side of the Cleveland without leaving, I 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:19.919 would I would label him the greatest of all because 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:26.159 that that that showed, That showed something amazing to to 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:29.159 just do that, to deliver that to your hometown. He 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:31.960 still did it. Though he still did and I think 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:36.119 a Soule cycle instructor would say he needed to go 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:39.400 on that journey. But the problem is so, but you're 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:41.760 then accounting for what he did. It Like to say, 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:43.240 he would be the greatest if you only count in 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:46.320 the Cleveland years. And this is like back to future 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:50.119 messing with the timeline things. He would not have the 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:53.280 Cleveland squad, he wouldn't have had Kevin Love on that 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:55.879 that championship team if he hadn't done the Big Three 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:59.840 because you couldn't have three max S on a team 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:02.600 in everybody is intail the greatest hand in life. You know, 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:07.040 I'm sorry you had to go to Miami, you had 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:08.399 to play with Dwayne Waite, you had to be on 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:11.400 cl Beach and then come back. But I'm just saying personally, 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:13.879 if it was just that and he brought that, and 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:16.480 if he didn't react like a diva to j R. Smith, 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:18.920 I would, I would, I would call it. I agree 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:20.600 with you there, I agree with you there. All right, 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:25.280 Well that's it. No, because today's topic, no, that was 0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:27.680 actually I felt like you guys came to some peace 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:31.400 and comment. All I needed to do to leave. Today's 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:36.720 topic is greatest coach And this was hard because they 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:39.399 sports are different. I'm just give it. When I was 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:42.840 like coming up with my list, the sports have changed 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:45.359 a lot. When you also think there's I'm obviously going 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:48.800 to have some college coaches on mine, and when you 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:51.399 think about I think in terms of the NFL and 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:54.520 the NBA, those obviously have changed. But just like the 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:59.479 recruiting and the connecting with young men and women that 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:01.920 you have to do to change some of these college 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:05.199 coaches spanned decades, and it's like that is when you 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:07.959 were talking to an eighteen year old kid in the 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:09.920 seventies and then an eight year old kid in the 0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:12.560 two thousand tents. That is a totally different It's a 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:15.760 whole different thing. The other thing what college coaches is 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:19.159 like I am so against the way the in C 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:22.600 double A handles things business wise, but the longest is 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:25.520 like picking the greatest husband, but you don't believe in marriage. 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:30.760 Yeah you know what I mean. Because of how that 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:34.359 whole thing, we'll put it. We'll put a giant asterisk 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:37.280 next true. Um c J do you want. I'm going 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:39.080 to just tell you what I have. I have a 0:20:39.160 --> 0:20:42.119 top three and then I have two honorable mentions that 0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:43.840 I will that I'll say right before I do my 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:47.359 number one. I have a top three. I think this 0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:49.199 isn't one we can all agree on. It's probably the 0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:52.600 easiest one to call. Maybe not, but I think is 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:55.320 like not on not on my not on my list, No, no, 0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:58.159 not on yours. Clark, He's not on my list, but 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:02.159 we love him. I just thing Popovich now he is 0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:08.679 the greatest coach, greatest person, Like he's your greatest I 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:10.840 did out of order, but I think I almost I 0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:13.480 wanted to talk about it because or just almost get 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:15.400 it out of way, because I thought we could agree 0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:17.359 on it. But maybe not. Maybe this is right for 0:21:17.760 --> 0:21:21.000 discussion and debate. But I mean, like every you know, 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:24.560 coaches in the NBA especially are just so shuffled around 0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:27.479 and fired. It's like long tenures are hard to come by, 0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:32.000 these things, and every single time a coaching position opens up, 0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:35.280 they go this guy. And he worked with pop. He's 0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:41.480 an assistant of pop, you know, in pop culture, pop culture, 0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:49.200 but everyone is. And I think the reason why people 0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:52.080 like Lebron right now it's you know, athletes now are 0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:56.080 are becoming platforms and sports pop are becoming platforms for 0:21:56.480 --> 0:22:00.119 social issues. And I think is almost in the top three. 0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:03.720 He's paved the way. He's the best post. He uses 0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:06.920 press conferences to speak up against Trump and just like 0:22:07.960 --> 0:22:11.760 it's just everything he is an association with with Popovich 0:22:12.000 --> 0:22:16.480 is like such a He's never not been in control 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:20.280 of his team, yes, never like where even he had 0:22:20.320 --> 0:22:25.840 Steven Jackson. Yeah, be line, like how the fun Steven Jackson. 0:22:27.400 --> 0:22:30.879 No other team could, no other person could like Stephen 0:22:31.119 --> 0:22:33.080 This is what you do is Steven Jackson. I didn't 0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:35.760 even know he could talk until he left sand Into Yeah. 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:37.760 But that's the thing. It's like, it's exactly what you said, 0:22:37.840 --> 0:22:41.080 this is what you do. He found these guys. You know, 0:22:41.160 --> 0:22:45.360 it didn't matter what draft pick the Spurs had. It was, Oh, 0:22:45.800 --> 0:22:47.280 this is what we need and this is what this 0:22:47.320 --> 0:22:49.400 guy does. He was the face of it. I don't 0:22:49.400 --> 0:22:51.280 know what the owner of the Spurs looks like or 0:22:51.320 --> 0:22:55.920 sounds like. It's Pops team. Yeah. It's also interesting too 0:22:55.960 --> 0:22:58.879