Speaker 1: Welcome to the Greatest, a production of I Heart Radio. Okay,
Speaker 1: welcome to the Greatest. I'm really having trouble wrangling the
Speaker 1: boys today. I am your host, Megan Gaily. I'm joined
Speaker 1: by my husband C. J. Toladano and our guest, who
Speaker 1: is wearing a beautiful bracelets, Clark Jones. Hello everyone, Hello,
Speaker 1: my favorite Mary Couple. For those in Chicago, you'll know
Speaker 1: him as Clarkness Jones. Just so you're never whatever your
Speaker 1: first nickname was in comedy, it stays forever. But that
Speaker 1: is specifically, we didn't have y'a didn't start on the
Speaker 1: South Side of Chicago, where a nickname was imperative to have,
Speaker 1: Like you couldn't just be your government. So many communities
Speaker 1: have terrible government names that I think that's where it started.
Speaker 1: I come Christian names, and you call them government government?
Speaker 1: Are you the first? I just say, like you're I
Speaker 1: think of like birth certificate as your Christian or wait wait, wait,
Speaker 1: wait wait, I want your hand because I'm not saying
Speaker 1: and my eyes. I called that that's like what I
Speaker 1: heard growing up, Well, that's that's their Christian name. We
Speaker 1: grew up the exact same Christians. I was named, not
Speaker 1: my actual name is not a Christian name, nor your
Speaker 1: parents took a month of the year, took a letter
Speaker 1: off the end. What I don't understand is for you,
Speaker 1: c J. Do you have a problem with Clyde. No,
Speaker 1: I've just I've tried it. My personality doesn't say Clyde.
Speaker 1: I think now, if if a bunch of people started
Speaker 1: calling you Clade, you fit into the moment. But you
Speaker 1: get friends to change. Right now, no one's going to
Speaker 1: start calling me. Everyone calls me Clyde. Ironically, c J.
Speaker 1: People are giving up me like this is the time
Speaker 1: of change, started a new year. Then I got to
Speaker 1: start acting like Clyde. We're Clyde, Gaily, Gaily, it's your
Speaker 1: new name official. I guess I gotta give some context
Speaker 1: to this conversation we're having. Clark Jones, very very funny comedian.
Speaker 1: Thank you. We have all known each other more than
Speaker 1: a decade. We came up in Chicago comedy together, and
Speaker 1: now we all Clark and I, well, gosh, I guess
Speaker 1: we've all lived in Chicago, New York and l A. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've done it. We've taken the longest path. We've done
Speaker 1: every major city that you can do comedy and uh
Speaker 1: just we keep just following each other like you somebody said,
Speaker 1: I think it was a comedian. Julia Rozzy is like,
Speaker 1: how do you get a comedian Chicago? I mean to
Speaker 1: talk about Chicago, just ask them where they're from and
Speaker 1: it will be an hour long and the DJ and
Speaker 1: I aren't even from there, but you are though you
Speaker 1: know you were from Iowa till I did your show
Speaker 1: two months ago. Was like, oh okay, when from northern Clifform,
Speaker 1: Is that where I would have lived if you would
Speaker 1: have guessed if I somewhere near the Apple Store Second
Speaker 1: City checking out Second City shows? One day I'll be there.
Speaker 1: I actually kind of get a fending when people are like,
Speaker 1: you're from Chicago, right, and it's like I feel like
Speaker 1: I rep Indie as hard as someone can, but it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter because the Chicago cloud just just outweighed, like
Speaker 1: on stage, it's beautiful, like, oh, that's where her life
Speaker 1: was before Chicago. It's like for you to talk about
Speaker 1: where you were born, but you're a Chicago comedian. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I always say yes, I'm from Chicago when people and
Speaker 1: people say that, I'll take that. Yeah, y'all got married, man,
Speaker 1: you can do whatever you want. I'm not married, but
Speaker 1: I respect the business of marriage. Not even I don't
Speaker 1: believe in all the like fairytale ship, but like the
Speaker 1: business acumen it takes to be with two uh to
Speaker 1: come together and have a horizontal merger. I respected. We
Speaker 1: still need a hand in the PaperWorks. Yeah, we have
Speaker 1: not signed our officiate Kara, who does not like sports
Speaker 1: and will probably never be on this podcast. And if
Speaker 1: you hear her, something went wrong, she has not signed
Speaker 1: the paperwork yet. No, no no, no, we're going to We
Speaker 1: just like keep We've seen her multiple times. I shattered
Speaker 1: a wine glass in my hand at her home on
Speaker 1: New Year's really bad cut myself, so I it was like,
Speaker 1: I'm holding my hand above my head, like I think.
Speaker 1: I go to the emergency room and everyone's like, you're fine,
Speaker 1: and we actually fear for you to get pregnant because
Speaker 1: you're being so dramatic about that. What's your joke about it, Megan,
Speaker 1: not even like but that, I like, I shattered a
Speaker 1: wine glass in my hand, which is the injury someone
Speaker 1: gets right before they go to rehab. For me, that's
Speaker 1: like the scene in a biopic about a musician before rehab,
Speaker 1: but instead I was like, they were like, do you
Speaker 1: still want to drink? And I'm like, yes, I'm hurt now.
Speaker 1: And in the preview, it starts with the glassdropic and
Speaker 1: then it's just like music goes out and then in
Speaker 1: the beginning how it started her bits, that's just just
Speaker 1: her jogging, like Ali, that's like us dark Rose always
Speaker 1: has an a c L injury, Like, oh, it's a
Speaker 1: c L. That'd be like Megan got another wine related
Speaker 1: injury that glasses, but I drink eight glasses. Sorry, I'm
Speaker 1: doing business over here for the podcast. I'm just I
Speaker 1: have to put the little time around. Okay. So we
Speaker 1: wanted to have you on because you love sports, obviously
Speaker 1: you will love to argue I love I'm I'm unshakable
Speaker 1: in my opinion because I don't share them until they researched.
Speaker 1: Always I don't. I don't just say it. It's and people,
Speaker 1: even with my jokes is all based on some sort
Speaker 1: of truth because I have a horrible memory. So I
Speaker 1: just say that I already know to be true. You
Speaker 1: and c J. I think Clark and I have had
Speaker 1: honest conversations about this. You and c J. You know
Speaker 1: you have a contentious past just based on the facts
Speaker 1: of your c J is in camp Lebron. Yeah, Clark
Speaker 1: is in camp Jorgan seriously, Yeah, but he didn't. You
Speaker 1: didn't take anything here when I started in kind that's
Speaker 1: like everything here. But I will say Lebron is one
Speaker 1: of the best coaches of all time. He's not on
Speaker 1: my list, but he's a really good coach. That's actually
Speaker 1: a very interesting point. He's one of the he's a
Speaker 1: better coach than player. Yeah, that's true. It would say that.
Speaker 1: And GM he's maybe one of the worst gms. Um,
Speaker 1: I would say until this year. Until this year, maybe, well,
Speaker 1: but that remains to be seen. What he does with
Speaker 1: the little blond blonde hair cutie, Now, who's where's he
Speaker 1: going to shop him? It's blond and like c J
Speaker 1: told me about, he's like Kosma's hair is blonde. And
Speaker 1: I was like who. And then when I saw it,
Speaker 1: I was like, who's don't want to be there because
Speaker 1: they're talking about and he retweeted that that that trainer
Speaker 1: who said Lebron didn't put it in the work. I
Speaker 1: thought that was spicy. Yeah, goodness, this is a little spicy.
Speaker 1: But someone who's a friend with the covers, the Lakers.
Speaker 1: I won't give up their name. You got the team.
Speaker 1: But so they were interviewing right after best friends with
Speaker 1: Wind and Horst, Oh my god. And I could remove
Speaker 1: any journalists from journalism, it would be Brian always. I
Speaker 1: always point to him. I hope you're not listening, sir,
Speaker 1: because I do respect your work. He's always who I
Speaker 1: point to to be like, see what they let men
Speaker 1: look like on TV right right? And they heron Clayton
Speaker 1: and him just a mediocre recurring guests. And he's followed
Speaker 1: Lebron since he was a kid. He's creepy illegal do
Speaker 1: you um? I did not, And I now I've liked
Speaker 1: I've I've grown to like him in the past few years.
Speaker 1: And I've lost a job because of him, really because
Speaker 1: I expressed that I did not like him. I was
Speaker 1: interviewing for like a sports on his job. I thought
Speaker 1: it was like a trick question. I thought they were like, okay.
Speaker 1: So it was like two thousand and they're interviewing me. Yes,
Speaker 1: he was interviewing me to be a segment producer on
Speaker 1: Sports Nation. And it was Max and Marcella's and they're like,
Speaker 1: what do you think of our host? Do you like Max,
Speaker 1: and I thought. It was like, oh, are they gonna
Speaker 1: get rid of Max? I'm gonna say how I actually
Speaker 1: feel about it. I was like, yeah, I just don't.
Speaker 1: I don't like his minute for the show, that minute
Speaker 1: for the network, for the show for the show he
Speaker 1: was hosting for the So this man with job security
Speaker 1: you said you don't like and you didn't get the job?
Speaker 1: Did they asked you about Marcella's or just max um
Speaker 1: And they asked me separately, so they didn't. I was like,
Speaker 1: I want marcellis is shirts to be like a size
Speaker 1: bigger because he can't feel that his tie is never
Speaker 1: properly on something. Do they make us an? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Before c J and I I think I I know
Speaker 1: I've said this publicly, so I'm not sure if it
Speaker 1: was on this, But before c J and I started
Speaker 1: dating and film love, I was like, I bet I'll
Speaker 1: wind up with Marcel. I was like, I bet I'll
Speaker 1: be with like a retired athlete who had some fun.
Speaker 1: Did you did you assume offensive or defensive? I think
Speaker 1: she was like, you know, I love alignman, you loved
Speaker 1: who's the safety for the big safety for the Colts.
Speaker 1: C J went to high school with him that he
Speaker 1: graduated right before I went to school. He was my
Speaker 1: brother's classmate. Bob Sanders and Mike Brown to my favorite safety. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're amazing, insane. Yeah, we saw him. He came to
Speaker 1: the freeee we went to the Dwight free knee Jersey
Speaker 1: retirement where why is everyone laughing? That's the pilgrimage for me. Well,
Speaker 1: it was really sad because everyone, every Hall of Famer was,
Speaker 1: Peyton was all, Marvin reg everybody came back and the
Speaker 1: Colts had to start Brian Hoyer because Brissette was hurt
Speaker 1: and we lost the Dolphins us like some of the
Speaker 1: greatest who is who's even on the Dolphins anymore? Nobody?
Speaker 1: Some do named Drake Kenyan Drake Nan drank fumbled and
Speaker 1: the announcer they showed him like upset about it on
Speaker 1: his eyeline and he's like, well, Kenyan, Drake appears to
Speaker 1: be in his feelings over there. Speaking of NFL, you
Speaker 1: have been doing a bunch of the NFL Fox pregame shows. Yeah,
Speaker 1: rig Yeah, how did that come to be? They just
Speaker 1: needed someone with a gap? Is that what it was?
Speaker 1: You are supposed to be Straighthand I'm straight. Michael Strahan's dentist,
Speaker 1: who has who has no apologies about not doing anything.
Speaker 1: I'm very just like, it looks great to me. Now
Speaker 1: did you did you go to an audition and you
Speaker 1: saw other men with gaps there? This was literally a
Speaker 1: direct casting. There was no process, which it sounds like
Speaker 1: I'm humble bragging or just bragging, but no, it just
Speaker 1: worked out like that. You know, uh, some people know
Speaker 1: me was like, oh, he'd be great. I'm guessing Bennett
Speaker 1: Webber is involved. Yeah, he's the he's the writer. Shout
Speaker 1: out to Benn Webber. Great guy. Actually, the whole team
Speaker 1: with that is really good. And it's it's just been
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, it's perfect for you that It's
Speaker 1: just one of those diskuis opened up type things. Because
Speaker 1: I used to My profile picture used to be micro
Speaker 1: straighthand smiling with this gap and then I actually have
Speaker 1: thought about closing it before. That's what people said. That's
Speaker 1: what people said, we have you have a dear friend
Speaker 1: who closed the gap. I have several people don't even know,
Speaker 1: but like, yeah, I was in New York and I
Speaker 1: was getting booked on anything, and I was just like,
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta change this and glad I didn't
Speaker 1: know the gap is so cool. Got Chris Rock got
Speaker 1: it closed, right, Rock got it close. Denzel Um I
Speaker 1: won't say the other comedians, but because he gave me.
Speaker 1: He was like, you got skinny, and I go, you
Speaker 1: close your gap. He goes, yeah, but I got fat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you're quick with the retorts. That's good. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: A lot a lot of if somebody has perfect teeth
Speaker 1: in the Hollywood, they had, so there's a whole Instagram
Speaker 1: account people who had celebrities way gaps and got him closed.
Speaker 1: It's a whole account. I watched Sweet Home Alabama. This
Speaker 1: was like a year ago and Reese. Reese had her
Speaker 1: o G teeth and they look I mean, they're obviously
Speaker 1: straight and like good teeth, but I was like, these look,
Speaker 1: she looks so different based on it. Yeah, it's something
Speaker 1: about it. And esupposed to be in the comedian. It
Speaker 1: was like I would never I wouldn't really smile much.
Speaker 1: And I found out found out people like when that
Speaker 1: too smile. I didn't find this out to like two
Speaker 1: years ago, so like I would just be serious on
Speaker 1: stage and I tried to make that work for me.
Speaker 1: I tried to force that on the audience. It is
Speaker 1: funny because I think in the first few years of
Speaker 1: doing comedy you force a person that you think is
Speaker 1: supposed to but then you just get so tired of
Speaker 1: trying these things and you become yourself. You have to
Speaker 1: reach a level of I don't give a funk anymore
Speaker 1: and you just you just write that wave. It's so
Speaker 1: it's so weird, like in the beginning your soul. I
Speaker 1: know this is a comedy podcast, but this is important.
Speaker 1: Like you're trying to every you gotta find your voice.
Speaker 1: You gotta find your voice, and you're looking at and
Speaker 1: you're trying to force it. Now you're gonna be a
Speaker 1: super comedian, or you go through your phase and you
Speaker 1: go through your hoodie phase and you're trying to force
Speaker 1: it to figure it out. But then what will happen
Speaker 1: is it finds you and people aren't ready for that,
Speaker 1: because once it finds you, that might not be what's
Speaker 1: in vogue at the time, but it's already chosen you
Speaker 1: and you just gotta either wait that out or make
Speaker 1: it work for whenever. So genuinely you that they're like fine,
Speaker 1: it's for that. I mean, I used to remember opening
Speaker 1: for a gy and opening for a guy and he
Speaker 1: was like, you have to stop wearing dresses on stage? What?
Speaker 1: And it really sucked and and like he was famous,
Speaker 1: and so I'm like, okay, well, and I didn't really
Speaker 1: even take it to heart. But it's like I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not even like my wear dresses on stage, Like
Speaker 1: that's not even what it's like. Sometimes I'm sometimes I'm
Speaker 1: just like wearing whatever. I almost think it was less
Speaker 1: for me, Like I have to find who I am.
Speaker 1: I feel like I knew too early, Like I knew
Speaker 1: who I was, but I didn't have the skill set
Speaker 1: to communicate it yet. Do you wear jeans at all? Yeah,
Speaker 1: wear jeans. Have jeans on right now, but they're not
Speaker 1: jeans jeans. There you were, you were like blue jeans, jeans,
Speaker 1: blue jeans. I can't. I can't think of a time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: wear blue jeans. Listen, I make sure they're high waisted.
Speaker 1: And I got a little bit. But that's what that's
Speaker 1: what it is. I mean this it is like the
Speaker 1: Jordan's and when Jordan wore the band the black and
Speaker 1: Red against uniform code and then it became his thing.
Speaker 1: It's because we It's why we have everything that is
Speaker 1: in fashion in the NBA. Now, every player has their
Speaker 1: own calling card, like every comedian has their own calling card.
Speaker 1: You yeah, I imagine if we're all like following the
Speaker 1: rules of a road comedian, which was like we were
Speaker 1: a consistent comedian job until maybe like fifteen years ago.
Speaker 1: That's why all of you were wearing such stupid hats
Speaker 1: in Chicago. I like heads. I'm talking about like those
Speaker 1: like Irish hats. You had a phase, right, I didn't
Speaker 1: had a phase where I made out with men in
Speaker 1: those So it's like, did you go through a soup phase?
Speaker 1: Like No, I hosted that fake talk show or that
Speaker 1: you know, and I wear a suit during that? What
Speaker 1: about Lincoln? Did you ever where they made us If
Speaker 1: you're hosting, the rule was you had to wear a
Speaker 1: suit because you had to rest better than the audience.
Speaker 1: I kind of like that. That was like you were
Speaker 1: performing for a show that has an identity. But that's
Speaker 1: also assuming that you guys, and I knew you had
Speaker 1: nice suits, which you did not. I think you guys
Speaker 1: shared a suit will quiz and we just got a
Speaker 1: really big suit. Okay, Um, we're gonna take a quick
Speaker 1: break and then we will come back and get right
Speaker 1: into our rankings, and we are back and that well, yeah,
Speaker 1: well we're going to get into the premise of the show.
Speaker 1: And this we mentioned earlier. It is perfect that you
Speaker 1: are on this show because all of our sports conversations
Speaker 1: barely can be called conversations. Their debates have I think
Speaker 1: currently we're you're in a troll phase towards you know what.
Speaker 1: It's not even intentional, and I feel like when we
Speaker 1: were younger would have been a lot more dragged out.
Speaker 1: But something, you know, I don't go hard on you
Speaker 1: when we when we go, and I know, I also
Speaker 1: know you show some restraint, which I which I respect
Speaker 1: because I know this ship is more important than facts
Speaker 1: and that true. Is it better to be right or
Speaker 1: to be there? Also kind of on like the same
Speaker 1: team to some extent because like you liked Jordan's you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not even I know, and this is
Speaker 1: a whole episode in itself, but I'm a I'm a
Speaker 1: Kobe guy more so only because that was the era,
Speaker 1: Like I saw the start of his career all the
Speaker 1: way through the end. I didn't see the start of
Speaker 1: Jordan's career right and the whole lebron thing. Let me
Speaker 1: just say this. Let me say these two things real quick.
Speaker 1: Two things this man Stephen A. Smith level, I just
Speaker 1: put it to bed. One, you can't be the greatest
Speaker 1: shooting lesson from the field from free throws too. If
Speaker 1: his career, if you take away the Miami years, I
Speaker 1: would be willing to say he's the greatest of all
Speaker 1: time if he only if he only played with Cleveland
Speaker 1: and he sought that through, he stuck with that and
Speaker 1: eventually brought that side of the Cleveland without leaving, I
Speaker 1: would I would label him the greatest of all because
Speaker 1: that that that showed, That showed something amazing to to
Speaker 1: just do that, to deliver that to your hometown. He
Speaker 1: still did it. Though he still did and I think
Speaker 1: a Soule cycle instructor would say he needed to go
Speaker 1: on that journey. But the problem is so, but you're
Speaker 1: then accounting for what he did. It Like to say,
Speaker 1: he would be the greatest if you only count in
Speaker 1: the Cleveland years. And this is like back to future
Speaker 1: messing with the timeline things. He would not have the
Speaker 1: Cleveland squad, he wouldn't have had Kevin Love on that
Speaker 1: that championship team if he hadn't done the Big Three
Speaker 1: because you couldn't have three max S on a team
Speaker 1: in everybody is intail the greatest hand in life. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry you had to go to Miami, you had
Speaker 1: to play with Dwayne Waite, you had to be on
Speaker 1: cl Beach and then come back. But I'm just saying personally,
Speaker 1: if it was just that and he brought that, and
Speaker 1: if he didn't react like a diva to j R. Smith,
Speaker 1: I would, I would, I would call it. I agree
Speaker 1: with you there, I agree with you there. All right,
Speaker 1: Well that's it. No, because today's topic, no, that was
Speaker 1: actually I felt like you guys came to some peace
Speaker 1: and comment. All I needed to do to leave. Today's
Speaker 1: topic is greatest coach And this was hard because they
Speaker 1: sports are different. I'm just give it. When I was
Speaker 1: like coming up with my list, the sports have changed
Speaker 1: a lot. When you also think there's I'm obviously going
Speaker 1: to have some college coaches on mine, and when you
Speaker 1: think about I think in terms of the NFL and
Speaker 1: the NBA, those obviously have changed. But just like the
Speaker 1: recruiting and the connecting with young men and women that
Speaker 1: you have to do to change some of these college
Speaker 1: coaches spanned decades, and it's like that is when you
Speaker 1: were talking to an eighteen year old kid in the
Speaker 1: seventies and then an eight year old kid in the
Speaker 1: two thousand tents. That is a totally different It's a
Speaker 1: whole different thing. The other thing what college coaches is
Speaker 1: like I am so against the way the in C
Speaker 1: double A handles things business wise, but the longest is
Speaker 1: like picking the greatest husband, but you don't believe in marriage.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know what I mean. Because of how that
Speaker 1: whole thing, we'll put it. We'll put a giant asterisk
Speaker 1: next true. Um c J do you want. I'm going
Speaker 1: to just tell you what I have. I have a
Speaker 1: top three and then I have two honorable mentions that
Speaker 1: I will that I'll say right before I do my
Speaker 1: number one. I have a top three. I think this
Speaker 1: isn't one we can all agree on. It's probably the
Speaker 1: easiest one to call. Maybe not, but I think is
Speaker 1: like not on not on my not on my list, No, no,
Speaker 1: not on yours. Clark, He's not on my list, but
Speaker 1: we love him. I just thing Popovich now he is
Speaker 1: the greatest coach, greatest person, Like he's your greatest I
Speaker 1: did out of order, but I think I almost I
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about it because or just almost get
Speaker 1: it out of way, because I thought we could agree
Speaker 1: on it. But maybe not. Maybe this is right for
Speaker 1: discussion and debate. But I mean, like every you know,
Speaker 1: coaches in the NBA especially are just so shuffled around
Speaker 1: and fired. It's like long tenures are hard to come by,
Speaker 1: these things, and every single time a coaching position opens up,
Speaker 1: they go this guy. And he worked with pop. He's
Speaker 1: an assistant of pop, you know, in pop culture, pop culture,
Speaker 1: but everyone is. And I think the reason why people
Speaker 1: like Lebron right now it's you know, athletes now are
Speaker 1: are becoming platforms and sports pop are becoming platforms for
Speaker 1: social issues. And I think is almost in the top three.
Speaker 1: He's paved the way. He's the best post. He uses
Speaker 1: press conferences to speak up against Trump and just like
Speaker 1: it's just everything he is an association with with Popovich
Speaker 1: is like such a He's never not been in control
Speaker 1: of his team, yes, never like where even he had
Speaker 1: Steven Jackson. Yeah, be line, like how the fun Steven Jackson.
Speaker 1: No other team could, no other person could like Stephen
Speaker 1: This is what you do is Steven Jackson. I didn't
Speaker 1: even know he could talk until he left sand Into Yeah.
Speaker 1: But that's the thing. It's like, it's exactly what you said,
Speaker 1: this is what you do. He found these guys. You know,
Speaker 1: it didn't matter what draft pick the Spurs had. It was, Oh,
Speaker 1: this is what we need and this is what this
Speaker 1: guy does. He was the face of it. I don't
Speaker 1: know what the owner of the Spurs looks like or
Speaker 1: sounds like. It's Pops team. Yeah. It's also interesting too
Speaker 1: because I think sometimes Belichick and Pop get compared just
Speaker 1: because of their dominant and long tenure, and and they
Speaker 1: do kind of they mess with the media, but in
Speaker 1: in different Pops always feels like it's coming from a
Speaker 1: place of love, whereas Belichicks comes from a place of
Speaker 1: I'm above you. They both seem very tired. Was like
Speaker 1: the sarcasm is based on I'm just fucking tired of
Speaker 1: being so into this game. I love. Um, that's a
Speaker 1: great one. I'm proud of you, even though you went
Speaker 1: out of order. I want you to go no, no,
Speaker 1: you should go three and then we'll because I didn't
Speaker 1: start with the three. Yes, Oh shit, Um, I'm going
Speaker 1: to go and this is this is a very homerh pick,
Speaker 1: but whatever. My number three is Dorothy Gators, who was
Speaker 1: the coach of the Marshall uh, the Lady Marshall Commandos
Speaker 1: for like over forty years Chicago high school basketball. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she was. She was in that too. She was the
Speaker 1: girl's coach and fucking just over forty years, all the
Speaker 1: state championships and just like just stay true to to
Speaker 1: the to the West side of Chicago for so many years.
Speaker 1: And it was just like you got all these girls
Speaker 1: playing basketball since the seventies, just like year after year
Speaker 1: putting out a quality product and not just uh, you know,
Speaker 1: Chicago high school coaches are just on the court. It's
Speaker 1: like driving people home. It's being a parent to all
Speaker 1: these girls. And I'm not sure having any titles, she
Speaker 1: was one, but she's certainly the greatest girls high school
Speaker 1: coach of all time. And uh, I wish she had
Speaker 1: gone up high level, but she was very committed to
Speaker 1: uh to teaching girls in Chicago just how to be great.
Speaker 1: You gotta make a documentary about her. She has to
Speaker 1: have one. She has brought it up at Marshall. I
Speaker 1: mean they then they paint that picture perfect in Hoop Dreams.
Speaker 1: It was a school that he went to when he
Speaker 1: got kicked out of and you in those kids had
Speaker 1: to live a life and basketball was just a thing
Speaker 1: they got to do. His coach was amazing to Luther
Speaker 1: A forget Luther's last name, but he'd be greatest coach.
Speaker 1: He just saying all the place go pick and roll.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, no, that that that program is incredible. And
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know where y'all rank, like
Speaker 1: high school basketball hubs Chicago's up there in New York, Indianapolis. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, we create who we I mean, we think
Speaker 1: that we created high school basketball. Really, who's the guy Steve?
Speaker 1: Who's the legend Steve? Yes, we have mentioned him on
Speaker 1: this podcast before. Um yeah, I mean gosh, I went
Speaker 1: to the rival high school, greg Over to Mike Conley,
Speaker 1: and that was at that point that high school had
Speaker 1: already produced multiple and C double A stars. Yes, he's
Speaker 1: from it. I think he went to Warren Central. Um.
Speaker 1: I honestly thought I was even the only person who
Speaker 1: picked a woman, And so I'm so happy my number
Speaker 1: three is Pat Summit, who I like, It's not bad?
Speaker 1: How great is it? It's really how great it is.
Speaker 1: She's my number one great. So I will take the
Speaker 1: sentimental part of it. Pat was diagnosed with early on
Speaker 1: set Alzheimer's, which is I personally think one of the
Speaker 1: like saddest diseases. And to see that school and that program,
Speaker 1: and obviously Tennessee men's basketball has a very storied past,
Speaker 1: it just was like, oh my, everyone loves this woman
Speaker 1: so much, and she has been a parent, and she
Speaker 1: has had so many women go through that program, and
Speaker 1: they all seemed to love her and care for her
Speaker 1: in such a deep way. She was at Tennessee for
Speaker 1: thirty eight years, eight n C Double A titles, thirty
Speaker 1: two SEC championships, on top of also elevating and getting
Speaker 1: the most out of those women as people, and I
Speaker 1: like loved watching her. I just when she would come
Speaker 1: on screen, it it really she was someone who it
Speaker 1: wasn't like, oh, she's a female coach. It was like,
Speaker 1: this is a badass coach. She's an icon. And let
Speaker 1: me ask show, do you think it's harder to motivate
Speaker 1: knowing this is kind of the end because she was
Speaker 1: coaching before the w n B and listen, let's be honest,
Speaker 1: never really took off, it still hasn't taken all right
Speaker 1: like it should. So, like, is it easier to motivate
Speaker 1: or harder to motivate knowing that this is the apex
Speaker 1: h'all of y'all's una, you know, go coach. I bet
Speaker 1: it's both. I bet it's I bet it's easier in
Speaker 1: the way of like give it all. Now you're not
Speaker 1: one and done, You're not going anywhere, you know, like
Speaker 1: this is it, so you can probably get more. But
Speaker 1: then it's also what is the point? Well, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: an insane almost delusional not delusional, but like an insane
Speaker 1: level of fashion. It's like like you we was gonna
Speaker 1: say about the high school coaches, what is the return
Speaker 1: on the high school girls? But I think it's the
Speaker 1: realization if no one's gonna be if no one's gonna
Speaker 1: have this, you know, spot or like platform someone like
Speaker 1: I'm going to be the person I'm gonna who knows? Maybe,
Speaker 1: I mean I doubt she ever thought like what what
Speaker 1: could I do to elevate this and bring it into
Speaker 1: the next level? But you know, to not to know
Speaker 1: the return isn't much and also that no, and there's
Speaker 1: definitely not like respect for women is in spanning thirty.
Speaker 1: I mean now it's like fifty years back. Well, I
Speaker 1: feel like Pat Summit and this is what I mean
Speaker 1: by the icon she even though Tennessee is is ridiculously
Speaker 1: southern and conservative, East Tennessee is like this almost liberal hub,
Speaker 1: if you will. And I kind of feel like she
Speaker 1: might have had something to do with that where you
Speaker 1: like the most the biggest name here is a woman,
Speaker 1: and people you know, as you're being raised, you like,
Speaker 1: you know that name and you go, oh, that's what
Speaker 1: Pat something I feel like, I don't know, just her
Speaker 1: influence kind of change the politics because East Tennessee and
Speaker 1: West Tennessee in central are all just different politically. I
Speaker 1: think that's definitely. I mean for anybody, men and women
Speaker 1: to be like, oh, there is a powerful figure and
Speaker 1: it is a woman, right, it does something. It changes
Speaker 1: the culture a little bit. Who are some of the
Speaker 1: players because she's had like the alumni on her program,
Speaker 1: Shmika Holds Claw, um my girl, Tennis Parker uh and
Speaker 1: then like those are some of the biggest names. Those
Speaker 1: are the biggest name. There would have been more. Where
Speaker 1: does Cheryl go u c l A Cheryl Miller? I
Speaker 1: mean this is again another conversation we always talked about.
Speaker 1: I think Cheryl if there, if the NBA was w
Speaker 1: n b A existed, Yeah, she could have been a
Speaker 1: person that made it. And even more legitimate Lee because
Speaker 1: she was the Lebron She is the Michael Jordan but
Speaker 1: never got to play. She could do every everything on
Speaker 1: the court. I thought sherl Swoops was gonna do that.
Speaker 1: I thought I thought Lisa Leslie was gonna They kept,
Speaker 1: they popularized. It's just it's just hard when everybody can't talk.
Speaker 1: And that's just the most take it to leave with
Speaker 1: his most exciting play. But in Europe it seems to
Speaker 1: do better. It's less ship in europe a sports wise,
Speaker 1: we have so many fucking sports. He an exciting play,
Speaker 1: and I guess men's basketball in Europe is is good obviously,
Speaker 1: but I bring it here. It's yeah, that's the problem
Speaker 1: with I don't know the company I work for, House
Speaker 1: of Highlights. We are we love, we love highlights. People
Speaker 1: have don't have time in the day, and so they
Speaker 1: just go and watch. The people have time. We have
Speaker 1: won the game. I love that that Anthony Davis Derrick
Speaker 1: Rose clip from the other day. You'll put up man,
Speaker 1: which one the like fucking Derrick Rose hit this clutch
Speaker 1: three then came down and hit it. I'm like, Chicago
Speaker 1: is so fucking awesome. It's crazy. It's such a great city. Okay,
Speaker 1: so do you want to give us your number? Three? Now? No? Yeah,
Speaker 1: my number? And you know, I'll admit that this guy
Speaker 1: is nowhere near the best. But he is maybe my
Speaker 1: fair coach of all time. And it's Tom Thibodeau. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is day you're me. But I thought Tom Thibodeaux
Speaker 1: was the most insane uh, insanely dedicated coaches. You know,
Speaker 1: I have a theory about he's not married, he has
Speaker 1: no children. I mean, I think as a fan, that's
Speaker 1: an ideal coach because they're truly you know, he probably
Speaker 1: lived in his office, not just like, oh sometimes I
Speaker 1: slept there, he had nothing to do, but that because
Speaker 1: I think he's truly, truly obsessed with it. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I think that that, to me is the definition of
Speaker 1: one of the best coaches. Don't the players not like him?
Speaker 1: I think they would go back after playing, you know,
Speaker 1: I think Jimmy, I think Jimmy will admit he was
Speaker 1: one of his favorite coaches despite you know, I don't know. Yes,
Speaker 1: Tom Thibodeau one of the worst coaches to have a
Speaker 1: coach definitely one of the worst head coaches to ever
Speaker 1: be a head coach. Okay, now I don't go that far.
Speaker 1: I think he actually very worst. He is one of
Speaker 1: the world. He's a great defensive assistant coach. He's great
Speaker 1: with the Celtics as an assistant to Doc Rivers. Here's
Speaker 1: why he's a terrible head coach. He coaches like he's
Speaker 1: playing a video game and not human beings. Fucking Tom Tibodeaux.
Speaker 1: Here's the first thing he would He played joking. No,
Speaker 1: he was playing jokeingo of forty minutes in the preseason.
Speaker 1: All right, Now, that's all good until you realize, first
Speaker 1: of all, it's eighty two games, and then when you
Speaker 1: get to the playoffs, everybody's playing hard and they're more arrested.
Speaker 1: So that's why the Bulls can't get past the Eastern
Speaker 1: Conference finals, because everybody's having for loose balls, everybody's going
Speaker 1: hard on rebounds, everybody's hustling up and down the court.
Speaker 1: They have more energy because they wasn't playing fucking forty
Speaker 1: minutes in the preseason. Second, this motherfucker Tom Thibodeaux put
Speaker 1: lu all dang in the icy you from being overworked
Speaker 1: is from Kenya. How do you overwork somebody from Kenya?
Speaker 1: Tom fucking Tibodeau. You know, I always blame the medical
Speaker 1: staff in the organization that I have been hurt saying
Speaker 1: I I gave you know, and maybe you're making me
Speaker 1: think a little bit more about it. But I thought
Speaker 1: the transition from Vinny del Negro to Ny Tom Thibodeau
Speaker 1: with the almost the same team, almost the worst team,
Speaker 1: and to create the system he had during those the
Speaker 1: latest person you say, he's always in the tape room,
Speaker 1: he's always watching, But your key play cannot be given
Speaker 1: to Derrick Rose and be considered one of the greatest coaches.
Speaker 1: We also have to yeah, he couldn't call offensive play
Speaker 1: to say it was like it was a formula. It was.
Speaker 1: It was several factors that led to Derek was demise
Speaker 1: in those years. Um, But without that, I think he
Speaker 1: was one of the best coaches with that with that
Speaker 1: team he had just before the sea. We'll just move
Speaker 1: on from that. But Honey, I love you, and now
Speaker 1: I know that you wish you were an unmarried psychopath.
Speaker 1: I did. I used to love picturing Tom Tuoto coming
Speaker 1: home and be like, honey, I'm home, and then it
Speaker 1: was a ball with a wig on it. You have
Speaker 1: to say that. My old roommate in Chicago text me
Speaker 1: went since she was they were at like a fancy
Speaker 1: restaurant and she was like, Tom Thibodeaux is here and
Speaker 1: he's with a woman and like a young boy. And
Speaker 1: she was like, it doesn't seem romantic. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's like a sister and whatever recruiting, but she
Speaker 1: said that he was like laughing and having a good
Speaker 1: time and seemed like a lighthearted fund man, and that
Speaker 1: really made me happy. Okay, those playoffs series were great
Speaker 1: and they were very exciting. They went seven games for
Speaker 1: like eight straight series and it's just like they were tired,
Speaker 1: man tired. But okay, yeah, okay. Richard Williams, okay, just
Speaker 1: in Compton teaching these two black girls to play tennis
Speaker 1: and like dedicated, Like what was your job, bro? Like
Speaker 1: that was his job to make them the greatest I
Speaker 1: would play the game, and he did. He was successful.
Speaker 1: What Megan, you have a face? Well, you know, I
Speaker 1: actually so. I love Serena's documentary series and It's tricky
Speaker 1: because I can now look back on times growing up
Speaker 1: as a white girl in Indiana and say, oh, the
Speaker 1: way people spoke about certain people was racially biased, and
Speaker 1: I didn't know that as a child, and so I
Speaker 1: have to like unlearn the things that people would say
Speaker 1: about Richard Williams. And the media was part of it too,
Speaker 1: like it was like, oh, he's too over the top.
Speaker 1: The girls are like, it was very negative, and it
Speaker 1: was clearly racially motivated. It's it's it's motivated by anything
Speaker 1: that even like this is a positive black thing. You
Speaker 1: have to dog whistle. The media has a dog whistle
Speaker 1: to let white people know we're thinking about y'all too,
Speaker 1: even though we're doing this black documentary. You have said,
Speaker 1: but also here's the problem with Richard and there at
Speaker 1: times he's a bit and that's that's not for the
Speaker 1: black people watching. That's not for the brown people, right,
Speaker 1: that's for the white people watching. Were just like, why
Speaker 1: is this black men being covered shouting at tennis? Yeah,
Speaker 1: why are we why are we talking about this? It
Speaker 1: has to we have to because the majority. I would
Speaker 1: love if it was just an equal number of each race.
Speaker 1: So the media and pr people would just their fucking
Speaker 1: hands with well. And and so what I said was
Speaker 1: the first part of my my statement, I'm sorry. The
Speaker 1: second part I think I think a lot has come
Speaker 1: out that that he was not a good husband. Um
Speaker 1: and and that is also true in Tiger Woods Dad's
Speaker 1: you know, like they were I'm happy he wasn't my father. Um.
Speaker 1: And I did play junior tennis and I did see
Speaker 1: Dad's that were that crazy, even crazier because it's like
Speaker 1: you're screaming in Central Indiana, like at least this man's
Speaker 1: at Wimbledon. Um. And so I always wonder and you
Speaker 1: don't see him anymore. He's not visible, and you know,
Speaker 1: you see the mom and you see the sisters, but
Speaker 1: you do not see him. And so in the documentary, uh,
Speaker 1: they cover Serena's wedding part of it, and he was
Speaker 1: supposed to walk her down the aisle and I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: that's good. They like still have a beautiful enough relationship.
Speaker 1: And then day of the wedding he called. I was like,
Speaker 1: I just can't do it, and she understood, and so
Speaker 1: I don't know if she had she was she was like,
Speaker 1: I don't want him to do anything that doesn't make
Speaker 1: him feel like. She understood so intensely that I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: he must have some sort of social anxiety or like
Speaker 1: the characters, there's gotta be something, because day of your
Speaker 1: dad doesn't walk you down the aisle when you are
Speaker 1: a mega, mega famous person, there's a documentary crew with
Speaker 1: you that would set anybody off. And she was just like,
Speaker 1: that's my dad. I love him and he needs to
Speaker 1: do so I was like, oh, okay, I'm missing a
Speaker 1: part of the story and I gotta give their family
Speaker 1: and him and part secular a benefit of the doubt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he lost the daughter too. And again I'm not saying
Speaker 1: this is one of the greatest men of all time,
Speaker 1: right because I don't know if he had a coach.
Speaker 1: He just was like, I'll look it up and then
Speaker 1: I'll teach you all and that's it and you He's
Speaker 1: one of those people too that you see copycats of,
Speaker 1: and unfortunately the copycats are traumatic for their children. I
Speaker 1: don't know. There's a golf document called The Short Game
Speaker 1: and it follows junior golfers and there's a dad on
Speaker 1: there who's like quit his job and he's he's trying
Speaker 1: to be Mr Woods he's trying to be and it's
Speaker 1: ruining their family, and he is ruining his daughter's life.
Speaker 1: And so you're like, you're it's almost like you've inspired
Speaker 1: shitty versions of yeah, because they think he's just intensity
Speaker 1: is what made them what it is. But there's also
Speaker 1: the motivation of and this is like people see this.
Speaker 1: It's not racial, it's money. You saw this in like Tania,
Speaker 1: Like tennis is a social it's not just a physical thing.
Speaker 1: No matter how great sport. Yeah, you gotta go on
Speaker 1: the road. You gotta go to these fucking tournaments. And
Speaker 1: the people that play are usually wealthy because they have
Speaker 1: that money to just send their kids off all the
Speaker 1: time to be seen. And then you talk about sponsorships
Speaker 1: and all of that. So like this motherfucker was like
Speaker 1: trying to break the mo You're trying to change his
Speaker 1: stor and he did. He did. He got to be crazy.
Speaker 1: You gotta be crazy with it, and you gotta be studied,
Speaker 1: and you gotta be all this other ship and you
Speaker 1: gotta they see you coming because you because your skin
Speaker 1: color and you still just like all right, we just
Speaker 1: coming and motherfuckering Serena gotta compared to share a Poba,
Speaker 1: like there's no comparison, the closest comparison to your sister.
Speaker 1: That brings up a great point of just in general,
Speaker 1: we're seeing it more and more of players playing for
Speaker 1: their parents, like there there's been stories of like Austin Rivers,
Speaker 1: Like Austin Rivers playing for Doc like he traded away
Speaker 1: his own son. You come after doc in try to me,
Speaker 1: did you see him trying to get his dad? And
Speaker 1: that's a tick. And the thing is like he probably
Speaker 1: there was probably some emotion behind that too. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I will say this will be the last
Speaker 1: thing I say about Richard. You see a positive trickle
Speaker 1: down from his daughters to the rest of tennis. I've
Speaker 1: been in the US and probably four or five times.
Speaker 1: This year was the most diverse. There were equal numbers
Speaker 1: of everybody there. And and Naomi's speech to like at
Speaker 1: the end of that match with Coke, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: like those women, Serena and Venus have changed tennis for
Speaker 1: the better. And he made that happen, and so we
Speaker 1: have to give him love and respect. Okay, my number two. Gosh,
Speaker 1: so I really didn't want to have to pick Belichick,
Speaker 1: and I did it, And so when I start to
Speaker 1: because I would have I've I've picked people I don't
Speaker 1: like in the past, but I will have names in
Speaker 1: mine and then I'll go and cross reference them. This
Speaker 1: was not a name I had in mind, but every
Speaker 1: single list was like, this is the greatest NFL coach
Speaker 1: of all time? Don Hula done. But I only ever
Speaker 1: think of him as the restaurant because it was like, before,
Speaker 1: what do you think? What do you think of hotels? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Really yeah, Renaissance in Norfolk, Virginia, and I didn't get that.
Speaker 1: Yoda run. Belichick is so far behind this man in
Speaker 1: every single way. Forty seven wins, that's an NFL record
Speaker 1: by like hundreds. Only undefeated season, Super Bowls, steakhouses, that's true.
Speaker 1: I mean the steaks are pretty delicious too, and a
Speaker 1: salmon not bit. But I do think the NFL has
Speaker 1: changed so much that like, this is why I have
Speaker 1: him at number two. The only perfect season. Yeah, it's untouchable.
Speaker 1: It's untouchable, only perfect season. It was Marina on that team. No,
Speaker 1: it was seventy two, so it was before because Marina
Speaker 1: was on a Marina and everyone is super Bowl and
Speaker 1: miss the undefeated team did when how many teams did
Speaker 1: he coach for? Why are you asking me all these research?
Speaker 1: May I think again, it speaks to how good of
Speaker 1: a coach you are? The least amount of tam every year. Well,
Speaker 1: it was also different back then, though, you would stay somewhere.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the longest tenured coach right now
Speaker 1: is Mike tom or Belichick and Tomlin. You leave after
Speaker 1: there was only seven teams. Back then, people people like
Speaker 1: every single thing was like he's the He's the greatest.
Speaker 1: There isn't there's no there's no one. Even if Belichick
Speaker 1: coaches till the day he dies, he's not going to
Speaker 1: catch him and wins like he holds these records that
Speaker 1: will never be broken. And I love East Ventura, Yes,
Speaker 1: so I love it. Is funny thinking about the greatest
Speaker 1: coach because they have like a steakhouse, because yes, Belichick
Speaker 1: will never have a steakhouse now, he's like none of
Speaker 1: these guys. I'm But then seeing Nick Saban in an
Speaker 1: a flat commercial is one of the funniest things I've
Speaker 1: ever experienced, Just the fact that Debo Sweeney is a
Speaker 1: thing kind of like like you don't have a name
Speaker 1: for it, no, no, but I was saying, if your
Speaker 1: name is debowhere he has a he has a Burger
Speaker 1: chilies or some shi yeah dog a Confederate flag. Um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I just I wanted an NFL coach. I
Speaker 1: did not want it to be Belichick obviously. Um. I
Speaker 1: love Tony Dungee. Sometimes he says things that are insane
Speaker 1: post post career, a little problematic. I like coach Tony Dungee.
Speaker 1: Sometimes commentator to Tony Dungee. I'm like, why wait, wait,
Speaker 1: wait wait wait wait did I'll see the Bill versus Bill? Um, No,
Speaker 1: I really want to watch it. It's it's it's actually
Speaker 1: it kind of humanizes Belichick a little bit. I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not anti him. I actually I think he is
Speaker 1: one of the greatest coaches of all time. I really do.
Speaker 1: I just so wait, we did your one. You know,
Speaker 1: let's take we'll take a little break. We're gonna take
Speaker 1: a short break, and then we'll come back with CJ's
Speaker 1: number three. I'm sure it's going to be Fred front
Speaker 1: Stone and then am I number one? I don't know,
Speaker 1: bam bam. I think, all right, we're back. Um, we're
Speaker 1: gonna go my pick. And now I'm like insecure about it,
Speaker 1: but it's it's um, you know. And I want to
Speaker 1: preface it by saying I do not like him now.
Speaker 1: I think he's just you know, old man now, and
Speaker 1: this kind of how I feel about Jordan's But Phil Jackson,
Speaker 1: Phil Jackson, I think, you know, maybe he just got
Speaker 1: lucky for the players he coached. But he did it.
Speaker 1: He did it with a couple of these guys. He's
Speaker 1: a great, incredible coach, bigger than well, I'll let you finish. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I was just gonna, you know, read off
Speaker 1: his his accomplishments. I mean, eleven NBA titles, um, and
Speaker 1: the way yeah, six and five. And I think to
Speaker 1: do it like that, like people are questioning Steve curs
Speaker 1: ability because he's had one of the greatest teams just
Speaker 1: by players, and now he doesn't have him in losing seasons,
Speaker 1: but now he has no one. I think next year
Speaker 1: they'll be back. Oh yeah, it's the number one pick
Speaker 1: and the Twins back here. It's gonna be insane. But
Speaker 1: for me, I thought that was gonna kill it. I
Speaker 1: don't even know if I'm allowed saying, look like tomorrow,
Speaker 1: but six five, I would just like it to be
Speaker 1: knowne CD and I did not say that, Um, but
Speaker 1: I was gonna mention just the Zen approach. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've read his books. Some of it's crazy, just like again,
Speaker 1: it's part of what he's see now now. But to
Speaker 1: also to they lost when Jordan came back and they
Speaker 1: lost in that season, I thought, you know, as a kid,
Speaker 1: I was like, maybe they're gonna be done. And then
Speaker 1: they added Rodman, a guy who they couldn't figure out.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure we're going to see a lot in
Speaker 1: that ten part documentary that's gonna kill Megan, but they
Speaker 1: just had They did that. That second run Bowls team
Speaker 1: had a little bit of an they were some of
Speaker 1: them were outcasts and they needed to be figured out.
Speaker 1: And I think the Zen like approach helped that. I
Speaker 1: think the Shack and Kobe years could have with any
Speaker 1: other coach could have only gone a few years. He
Speaker 1: figured out, Kobe passed Shack leaving and put in coach
Speaker 1: some great teams. I just think he's one of the
Speaker 1: greatest coaches. Don't interview him anymore. He shouldn't be brought
Speaker 1: into an organization or what do you did with the
Speaker 1: Knicks and um, but he wasn't coaching there. I just
Speaker 1: so I hope he was ruining. He's not on my
Speaker 1: list because I do think the past few years have
Speaker 1: like churnished him a little bit. I do think long
Speaker 1: term his legacy will be intact, though, because we will
Speaker 1: look back on whatever has happened with the Knicks over
Speaker 1: the last got too long ten fifteen years and be
Speaker 1: like that is an ownership problem and anything else that
Speaker 1: happened around there. Carmelo, you're off like everybody everyone else.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're fine. I'm not mad at you. I
Speaker 1: am conflicted with Phil Jackson for for a couple of reasons.
Speaker 1: Number one, I think text Winter is one of the greatest.
Speaker 1: He created the triangle offense for two organizations, and it's
Speaker 1: like he got Jordan to buy in to something that
Speaker 1: was in Jordan's idea, which is which is crazy Jordan
Speaker 1: listening to somebody else. But Phil also got Jordan to
Speaker 1: pass is like make the right play. Also, I don't know,
Speaker 1: there's only one difficult decision where I feel like Phil
Speaker 1: like had to coach, and that was when Pipping and
Speaker 1: cou coach were like fighting to see who's gonna take
Speaker 1: the last shot and Coo coach made the shot to
Speaker 1: his credit, So yeah, you gotta give Phil a lot
Speaker 1: of I give him. The only thing is just like
Speaker 1: text one is such a crucial part to his success.
Speaker 1: But other than that, I agree with you, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's like if you put in the
Speaker 1: show business terms, it's like when a movie is Oscar nominated,
Speaker 1: who you're giving credits the director, the actor, the writer,
Speaker 1: Like you know, if it's the Oscars, the EP goes
Speaker 1: up and I'm like, yeah he again, so he And
Speaker 1: you know, in those last two years, maybe he wouldn't
Speaker 1: have been up for that Lakers team was there for
Speaker 1: him to just you know, they weren't. He was never
Speaker 1: talked to out for a bad team that needed to
Speaker 1: be pulled out of Nobody had to man He was
Speaker 1: like the original managing style. Also with that, I'm glad
Speaker 1: you brought it up. Check with the right mentor or
Speaker 1: whatever should be the greatest basketball play of all time.
Speaker 1: I don't know how he didn't work out in the offseason,
Speaker 1: didn't play. You just said if you shoot less from
Speaker 1: free throws to you, and then we wouldn't have gotten
Speaker 1: those great taco bell commercials. That's true. And then he's
Speaker 1: also uh the general current where he is the worst
Speaker 1: post party. He's definitely going to be on our greatest
Speaker 1: transition into a different career. Oh my god, so much money.
Speaker 1: Magic got to be up there. I mean Magic can
Speaker 1: be the greatest man a lot. I know he coached
Speaker 1: his way out of HfV man. He let's put them
Speaker 1: on the list honorably. Okay, so we know your number one.
Speaker 1: Do you have any honorable mentions before you get to Oh? Um,
Speaker 1: Eddie Robbins, longtime HBC Granble State. He coached Doug Williams
Speaker 1: for his black quarterback to win a Super Bowl. He's
Speaker 1: up there. Custom motto John Wooden get an honorable mention? Um?
Speaker 1: I mean Eddie Robinson's wife was on Real Housewives at Potoma.
Speaker 1: She's beautiful. No, not him. How did the custom motto story? Is?
Speaker 1: I love that you picked that? I didn't even think
Speaker 1: of these, Like these coaches have to work one on
Speaker 1: one with a guy, one on one with Mike Tyson,
Speaker 1: eight York, straight out, straight out of Brownsville. He missed
Speaker 1: one educational thing to teach him. Well yeah, well, well
Speaker 1: I blame I blame society launching a kid from Brooklyn
Speaker 1: that fast he took him in. I mean, you know
Speaker 1: the reason he wasn't all my top three is just
Speaker 1: like you see Mike Tyson, You like, Okay, this is
Speaker 1: a fucking this is money. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: It's gonna come back. We were talking about him last
Speaker 1: night and night. Come on, Mike. You have your issues
Speaker 1: with Mike almost Yeah, it's wild how he's become. I
Speaker 1: don't think he should be allowed to be a like
Speaker 1: funny guy. I think if you go to prison for rape,
Speaker 1: funny guy time over this could this could get this
Speaker 1: could get contentious. Well here's the thing with Mike, and
Speaker 1: this isn't This is just me laying out facts. This
Speaker 1: is not me saying or excusing anything. He was on
Speaker 1: a lot of cocaine, man, like a lot of it,
Speaker 1: and he was He's a he shouldn't have been. Anybody
Speaker 1: who's had to deal with Darren King, I feel like,
Speaker 1: wherever you are, you're gonna go down ten levels because
Speaker 1: that's not someone who will call a role model. I
Speaker 1: would almost prefer you to be like his brain was
Speaker 1: battered to death. I'm just I was like, I mean,
Speaker 1: but cocaine, when you got five hundred MILLI in a
Speaker 1: bank and you could just go to Thailand. But then
Speaker 1: just go to Thailand. That ain't enough. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is why we're in this blame a lot of like
Speaker 1: we didn't need a cast and like Hollywood didn't didn't
Speaker 1: need to make them the cameo for the two thousands,
Speaker 1: like you know, didn't need to be putting that bank
Speaker 1: account to worry money in that ban account. Motherfucker could
Speaker 1: make a find a way to make some money on somebody,
Speaker 1: they won't do it, regardless of their past. If if
Speaker 1: and then we the people like we didn't say yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I'm a child, a little Asian kid. I
Speaker 1: was like this guy's he's my favorite video game. It's
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a woman. So that's obviously part of it.
Speaker 1: It also occurred in Indianapolis, and it was like a
Speaker 1: very very I don't fucking know. It was at this
Speaker 1: hotel that's no longer opened, the Canterbury, and it was
Speaker 1: the first um Mitzvah I ever went to was at
Speaker 1: the Canterbury. It was a it was a miss universe
Speaker 1: for he was a judge at a at a bikini
Speaker 1: contest and I remember like I got my I got
Speaker 1: for the first time to this is so sad. I
Speaker 1: don't know why. If I'm doing that, I'll tell a
Speaker 1: different story once I gave I gave a guy my
Speaker 1: idea at a liquor store and he goes Indie and
Speaker 1: this is out here, and he goes Indiana and I go, yeah,
Speaker 1: he goes Mike Tyson and like the craziest I go
Speaker 1: rape someone there and he's like, m Again, we're not
Speaker 1: saying these are the greatest man of all time customerdel Okay,
Speaker 1: Now let's transition to oh my great well, Patty Yeah,
Speaker 1: Patty Summon is my number one coach forever. She and
Speaker 1: I feel I'm just a lad. I'm so I can
Speaker 1: freely root for her and be her be the number one.
Speaker 1: The gate is pat Summit. Richard Williams. That's a that's
Speaker 1: a beautiful list. That's a very like impressive you did research.
Speaker 1: That's a very clerks. Remember, I didn't think in the
Speaker 1: history of the Philippine watching, I was like, Clark is
Speaker 1: going to be considered more Filipino than me. In my
Speaker 1: show that I run in a Filipino restaurant, I compared
Speaker 1: Philip the Filipino Army to Lebron James at his show.
Speaker 1: That's that was that's start out with the premise, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I want to see how you sufficiently
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, yep, no arguments there. But
Speaker 1: there are people sometimes doing jokes that are just history
Speaker 1: lessons and you're like, we've all read a book. We
Speaker 1: don't we didn't pay attention. Then we're ordering other food now,
Speaker 1: like we're not. I tried to make it as funny.
Speaker 1: It was funny to me. I hope some people enjoyed
Speaker 1: it funny. Um, is it my turn? Okay, I have
Speaker 1: two honorable mentions before I get into my number one
Speaker 1: coach K And I don't even say that just from
Speaker 1: a college standpoint. I obviously think he's an incredible recruiter.
Speaker 1: I actually think that that's probably like what he does
Speaker 1: best because he clearly always hasn't readible incredible talent. Not
Speaker 1: being able to win last year Alright, you're kind of like, okay, um,
Speaker 1: but the Olympics like that man, he can. He just
Speaker 1: is good. He's an amazing coach. I think this guy
Speaker 1: gets overlooked. And I am a college basketball fan to
Speaker 1: some extent, and this would be someone I would never
Speaker 1: want to play against in March Madness. I think he
Speaker 1: is the greatest March Madness coach of all time. Tom
Speaker 1: iszo man. You could give him five me and he's
Speaker 1: like the final four. All right, we'll switch some things
Speaker 1: around here. And and the team, I mean, obviously Michigan
Speaker 1: State is really good this year, but sometimes they are
Speaker 1: going into the tournament asked backwards and he turns them around,
Speaker 1: like you do not want to face Michigan State. Of
Speaker 1: a friend who played for him says he's amazing. I
Speaker 1: used to like as a kid, I couldn't stand up
Speaker 1: because he seems like a psycho. But like the reports,
Speaker 1: I get wonderful man, a true father figure, and I
Speaker 1: think it gets props champion of any sport. And in
Speaker 1: time is he did ye fun name too? And he
Speaker 1: beat Coach Ka. I know that's like, that's why Coach
Speaker 1: K will go down in the record books. But I
Speaker 1: actually think Coach K is better at other things than coaching.
Speaker 1: Real quick, what sure? What's the best duke team that
Speaker 1: Coach K is head with? Like with like group? I
Speaker 1: mean I remember going there. I saw one of the
Speaker 1: teams in person, and like oh three and they were
Speaker 1: pretty into Eton and uh from Chicago. Corey mcgetty was
Speaker 1: on those teams. Yeah, mcgetti. Mcgetti played for Coach k Is.
Speaker 1: Also the better version. He came from Bobby Knight, and
Speaker 1: I do not I do not love Bobby Knight. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't like him. And I think Coach k Is
Speaker 1: is better. Bobby Knight. Yeah, I think it was better.
Speaker 1: Bobby Night was the best. I went to the Nike
Speaker 1: campus and they just finished the fitness facility where all
Speaker 1: the employees and Nike on the campus. They built a
Speaker 1: state of the art state It's huge. It could pass
Speaker 1: off as any service stadium in the country. It's called
Speaker 1: the Coach k Building and it's like Nike named a
Speaker 1: building off of this. This white Steve Korrell looking young.
Speaker 1: Yeah that good. Just this military expect whatever guy. And
Speaker 1: I think he loves his family a lot. It's good.
Speaker 1: No controversie. I hope there's my number one. It's going
Speaker 1: way back, and I guess it's a Homer pick because
Speaker 1: he's from Indiana. He went to Purdue pen n C
Speaker 1: Double A Titles College Basketball Hall of Fame, Basketball Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame John Wooden. I love this old cutie picture.
Speaker 1: The guy I know but I just and I keep
Speaker 1: making this speech about how it's so different recruiting, and
Speaker 1: he obviously was in a totally different time, but they
Speaker 1: just like love him. And I remember going to Wooden
Speaker 1: opens and Wooden Classics when I was growing up, and
Speaker 1: he just seems like there was always this area of
Speaker 1: positivity around him while also winning. And they say he
Speaker 1: wanted the best out of everybody and he's just so cute.
Speaker 1: I love him, and he gave and somebody in the
Speaker 1: comments on this correct me on this, but I feel
Speaker 1: like he gave Kareem a personality like Kareem abdul Jabbar,
Speaker 1: like wasn't all zen pizza. And John Wooden kind of
Speaker 1: guided him that to finesse the game more because his
Speaker 1: motherfucker's seven to banging on little white dude all the time.
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, I know you want to dunk
Speaker 1: and all of that, but you you'll have a longer
Speaker 1: career with the finesse game that's created. To know that
Speaker 1: back then, because I feel it was all xs and os,
Speaker 1: and to this day, there are still coaches like I
Speaker 1: don't care what you do off the court ball blah,
Speaker 1: I don't care what your personality is you give a
Speaker 1: player to see how Kareem has turned out, just like
Speaker 1: and then that was all his book authors talker, Yeah,
Speaker 1: doing sketches put in there. Um yeah, I just That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It was very, very hard when you
Speaker 1: go to like look at that. There's so many lists
Speaker 1: that have Bobby Knight and I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I grew up watching that man, and I just can't.
Speaker 1: I can't do it. The lambos, the lumbar, there's Madden
Speaker 1: is up there, and like Madden, you look at sort
Speaker 1: of a full life. I think, like he was obviously
Speaker 1: a great coach, but it's like, what a cool guy.
Speaker 1: There's a really good thirty for thirty podcast about kind
Speaker 1: of his life in the Rise of Adam Um, and
Speaker 1: he's awesome. But when I was researching John Wooden because
Speaker 1: I knew it was from Indiana, but I didn't know
Speaker 1: where he's from, a town called Hall, Indiana, and so
Speaker 1: I looked it up. It does not exist. That's what
Speaker 1: did it become. Just the thing is they just discontinued
Speaker 1: it like it's nothing else. The mail the postal service
Speaker 1: closed in nineteen eighty four and it just ceased to exist.
Speaker 1: It's just like a red town, just like nobody there.
Speaker 1: Because when you could see it on the map and
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's like thirty minutes from where I'm from,
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't far away, and it just doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: So that's where he's just from a town that doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: Who were your honorable mentions? But I was thinking of
Speaker 1: pat Riley when I was saying Phil. I was like, Pat,
Speaker 1: I feel like almost is just like he's still Yeah,
Speaker 1: he transcends coach. I mean there were times where I
Speaker 1: feel like Spoilster is so good because Pat is doing
Speaker 1: a little bit of coaching in the back seat. Maybe
Speaker 1: not so much now, but like especially during those big
Speaker 1: three years, he could have fired Spoilster and just coached himself.
Speaker 1: But like to handle that situation when they did lose
Speaker 1: that experiment, they thought that some people were like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't think this Heat team is for real. Actually
Speaker 1: lost the map that oh six team. I don't him
Speaker 1: to see Dwyane Wade. I didn't see Dwyane Wade being
Speaker 1: when he began that's incredible. I do have an honorable
Speaker 1: mention for worst coach of all time? Okay, Jerry Jones,
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones is easily. He's he's I mean, he continues
Speaker 1: to uh impress us with his not his awful takes
Speaker 1: on things. So I guess, good luck Mike McCarthy. We're
Speaker 1: all pulling from McCarthy yesterday or now this will Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's there, he's he is officially head coach of the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: That almost doesn't that seem like almost a wild choice
Speaker 1: to like give it to somebody who I think he'll
Speaker 1: speak up against Jerry Jones. I think Jerry is hoping
Speaker 1: that he will not speak He he maybe a little
Speaker 1: bit contentious. I think he's They're definitely gonna beat the
Speaker 1: Packers when they play, Like if he does nothing else,
Speaker 1: he's gonna beat Aaron Rodgers. Uh. But I don't I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know it'll be different to team without a
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame quarterback, Like how does that going to work?
Speaker 1: One of one of the funny, funniest coach Gruden. Gruden
Speaker 1: is hilarious. I don't know if he's a coach. He
Speaker 1: just might be a dude who's just like I don't
Speaker 1: mean no, he's a coach, Yeah, but he's just obsessed
Speaker 1: with quarterbacks a little too much and Frank Kelly and Ye,
Speaker 1: herm Lewis is a great He's a very funny one.
Speaker 1: I think her words. I think it's sherm Lewis her words,
Speaker 1: I think is Romeo Cornell. I don't know if he's funny.
Speaker 1: He makes me laugh. He's almost too cute. Larry Brown
Speaker 1: is another one that I didn't leave love him. Worst
Speaker 1: coach ever is commons acting coach. But that's why he
Speaker 1: has to play common and everything coming that's crazy, like
Speaker 1: what what do you? What do you? Every role is
Speaker 1: a slam comments, a player for the New Jersey Nets.
Speaker 1: Get the funk out of here. And he didn't love
Speaker 1: with Queen Latifa. Shut up. I don't of this. Do
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