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Speaker 1: This is Strange with JOSHUAE Warren. I am Joshua P. Warren.
Speaker 1: At each week on this show, I'll be bringing you
Speaker 1: brand new my blowment content, news exercises, and weird experiments
Speaker 1: you can do at home, and a lot more on
Speaker 1: this edition of the show. Weirdo, Monsters, Fresno Nightcrawler, Veggie Man,
Speaker 1: et cetera. You know it's going to be a good
Speaker 1: show when I have et cetera in the title. Years ago,
Speaker 1: I had the privilege of visiting Point Pleasant, West Virginia,
Speaker 1: which of course is most famous for being the the
Speaker 1: number one hotspot for the Mothman activity that took place
Speaker 1: in the nineteen sixties. Of course, Mothman is one of
Speaker 1: the most mistake serious paranormal entities. Nobody is sure whether
Speaker 1: or not to call him a cryptid or an alien
Speaker 1: or an interdimensional being. We just don't know. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to dig into Mothman in particular, though, because I've
Speaker 1: talked about him a lot on this show. I think
Speaker 1: I talked about him in episode fourteen. I'm certain I
Speaker 1: did in episode one sixty four. But one thing that
Speaker 1: I have not gotten to do is go to the
Speaker 1: annual Mothman Festival that they hold there. I was just
Speaker 1: passing through and got to spend a little time investigating there.
Speaker 1: And again, this was a long time ago, but they
Speaker 1: have this big festival every September, and it just looks
Speaker 1: like the most fun place in the world to me,
Speaker 1: and I just, you know, it seems like that every year.
Speaker 1: I just get so busy in the fall. I just
Speaker 1: haven't made a point of going to this festival. I
Speaker 1: have to do it. But if you don't know anything
Speaker 1: about it, look it up. And of course I'm recording
Speaker 1: this show in October, and so they just recently had one,
Speaker 1: and I've been watching video footage that attendees of the
Speaker 1: Mothman Festival were shooting as they were walking around, and
Speaker 1: I kept noticing a lot of these souvenirs that were
Speaker 1: being sold and promoted that had some cryptids and monsters
Speaker 1: that I actually am not that familiar with. You know,
Speaker 1: I may have heard the name, but I don't really
Speaker 1: know the story. And so I started taking notes, like,
Speaker 1: I wonder what exactly that thing is, And so I
Speaker 1: decided that I would I would educate myself on not
Speaker 1: only like the Fresno Nightcrawler and Veggieman, but the Grafton Monster.
Speaker 1: The Pascagoula Alien was promoted there. We'll see how many
Speaker 1: of these things we can tap into. Obviously the Flatwoods
Speaker 1: Monster I know more about that one, but anyhow, so
Speaker 1: I decided to sit down and learn more about these monsters.
Speaker 1: And I figured that you also would find this interesting
Speaker 1: if I share with you what I've learned. So there's
Speaker 1: a lot to talk about. Let's get right into it.
Speaker 1: Let's start with this thing called the Fresno night Crawler. Now, Fresno, California,
Speaker 1: is a city that is from what I can tell
Speaker 1: it looks like it's more or less right in the
Speaker 1: middle of California. And let me try to describe for
Speaker 1: you what a Fresno nightcrawler looks like. Imagine one night,
Speaker 1: you hear some I don't know, your dogs are barking
Speaker 1: or whatever. You look outside and in your yard you
Speaker 1: see what appears to be nothing but a pair of
Speaker 1: white pants, maybe I don't know, four feet tall, just
Speaker 1: white pants, walking across your yard. And then maybe another
Speaker 1: one follows it. Now, what the heck is that? That's
Speaker 1: more or less what these nightcrawlers look like. And it
Speaker 1: all started with an incident very much like that. The
Speaker 1: first time, apparently this we know about one of these
Speaker 1: sightings was this is one of those fairly recent things.
Speaker 1: It was two thousand and seven. A man in Fresno
Speaker 1: who only identified himself as Jose, said, a little after
Speaker 1: midnight on November fifth, my sister's birthday, by the way,
Speaker 1: the man was awakened by his barking dog and decided
Speaker 1: to check his surveillance camera footage to see why. And
Speaker 1: there on the screen he saw two unusual creatures strutting
Speaker 1: across the front lawn. That's right, folks, this is on video.
Speaker 1: You can get on the internet and you can watch
Speaker 1: video of this. So he saw these things, and apparently
Speaker 1: at some point he took this to a television station.
Speaker 1: Let's see here. I believe it says Univision. And then
Speaker 1: later on somebody who was speaking at a UFO conference
Speaker 1: about a year later got a hold of this footage
Speaker 1: and played it and everybody started wondering what the heck
Speaker 1: could this possibly be. And then other appearances of these
Speaker 1: things called nightcrawlers, and I don't know who gave it
Speaker 1: that name. I would imagine it was probably some reporter
Speaker 1: or anchor who is trying to be sensational. That's how
Speaker 1: Mothman got his name. That's often what happens. Then the
Speaker 1: Fresno alien started popping up in other places. He was
Speaker 1: spotted a few years later. The Fresno nightcrawler was spotted
Speaker 1: in Yosemite National Park in twenty eleven. And then there
Speaker 1: was a footage of like a couple of these things
Speaker 1: in Poland in twenty seventeen, and then Montana and twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: And sometimes you just see one night crawler walking by itself,
Speaker 1: but often you'll see two or three, and some maybe
Speaker 1: taller than others. You know, they're different sizes. Now, obviously
Speaker 1: there are people who look at this and say, this
Speaker 1: has got to be a hoax. Well let me just
Speaker 1: tell you all right now, listening to this show, if
Speaker 1: I mention that this could be a hoax, well that
Speaker 1: could get very redundant on this particular show, because just
Speaker 1: about every single one of these creatures that I'm going
Speaker 1: to tell you about has been accused of being part
Speaker 1: of a hoax. So you just I'm not even going
Speaker 1: to spend time on that, okay, So I'm just telling
Speaker 1: what they supposedly are. Whether you believe it or not,
Speaker 1: that's up to you. But there is very good, clear
Speaker 1: footage of these Fresno nightcrawlers out there, and I honestly
Speaker 1: I have no idea what they are. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you try to pigeonhole me into some kind of like
Speaker 1: I guess, if you back me into a corner, is
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, then maybe I would just have to
Speaker 1: say just one of these interdimensional weirdies or some kind
Speaker 1: of alien. I don't know, I mean, if it's real.
Speaker 1: But here's something that I find very intriguing. You know,
Speaker 1: I live here in Las Vegas and Las Vegas is
Speaker 1: part of what is known as the Nevada Triangle, which
Speaker 1: is actually more paranormal in many ways than even the
Speaker 1: Bermuda Triangle where I used to live. And the Nevada
Speaker 1: Triangle goes from Las Vegas north up to Reno, Nevada,
Speaker 1: and then it goes west over to yes, Fresno, California.
Speaker 1: So there's apparently a lot of bizarre stuff that happens
Speaker 1: in Fresno, California. I have never been there, so it's
Speaker 1: definitely on my list of places to go. I'm going
Speaker 1: to make a up to Fresno at some point. And
Speaker 1: I understand that in Fresno the night Crawler is kind
Speaker 1: of considered a bit of a cultural hero. You know.
Speaker 1: They they celebrate the night Crawler there. They're they're happy
Speaker 1: to have him as a bizarro mascot of some kind
Speaker 1: for the town. So that's what that is, all right.
Speaker 1: Next on to the Veggie Man. Okay, now, the Veggie Man.
Speaker 1: This is one of the West Virginia weardies, and it
Speaker 1: would it would make sense that a lot of these
Speaker 1: creatures have West Virginia connections. And Okay, apparently this began
Speaker 1: with a there was a writer who was collecting stories
Speaker 1: of unusual things, and he talked about this man named
Speaker 1: Jennings Frederick, who was already a guy who was sort
Speaker 1: of studying I think weird phenomena himself. But anyhow, here's
Speaker 1: supposedly what happened. On a mid July day in nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty eight. Jennings Frederick was walking through the woods during
Speaker 1: an unsuccessful hunt for woodchuck when he heard a jabbering
Speaker 1: voice that he said sounded like a sped up recording,
Speaker 1: and apparently this is what it said, quote, you need
Speaker 1: not fear me. I wish to communicate. I come as friends.
Speaker 1: We know of you all. I come in peace. I
Speaker 1: wish medical assistance. I need your help. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to try to do that. You need not fear me,
Speaker 1: I wish to communicate. Okay. So surprised, Frederick felt his
Speaker 1: arm ketch on a patch of brambles, so when he
Speaker 1: looked down, he realized that what he thought were brabbles
Speaker 1: were actually a three fingered hand that was green like
Speaker 1: a plant. He said the fingers were seven inches long,
Speaker 1: with needle like tips and suction cups which had attached
Speaker 1: themselves to his arm. He heard a suction sound and
Speaker 1: he knew blood was being drawn. He said the creature
Speaker 1: reminded him of the stalk of some huge, ungainly plant,
Speaker 1: but the creature was surprisingly strong. Its eyes turned from
Speaker 1: yellow to red as they began to spin, hypnotizing him.
Speaker 1: He said that it eventually leaped away, reminding him of
Speaker 1: spring Hill Jack. Okay, when we come back, I'm going
Speaker 1: to tell you a little bit more about this veggie man,
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna get into yeah, the Grafton Monster,
Speaker 1: the flat Woods Monster, the maybe the ho Dag, the
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Speaker 1: back to Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to
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Speaker 1: Wizard of Weird, Joshua P. Warren, beaming into your wormhole
Speaker 1: brain from my studio in Sin City, Las Vegas, Nevada,
Speaker 1: where every day is golden and every night is silver.
Speaker 1: I gietato zoom. And here's something funny that I realized.
Speaker 1: When you look at Veggie Man showing up, the first
Speaker 1: thing he says is you need not fear me. Have
Speaker 1: you ever noticed how often when people have these encounters
Speaker 1: with these weird beings, it starts with the being saying
Speaker 1: do not be afraid. It reminds me, you know, speaking
Speaker 1: of Mothman in the movie The Mothman prophecies. There's this
Speaker 1: character I think his name is Gordon, and he starts
Speaker 1: hearing voices of this like creepy, shadowy figure named Indrid Cold.
Speaker 1: And he says, then the voice that I heard two
Speaker 1: nights ago, he said, do not be afraid. My name
Speaker 1: is Indrid Cold. And when I was in Puerto Rico
Speaker 1: interviewing people, a lot of times people would say they
Speaker 1: would wake up in the middle of the night and
Speaker 1: they would see a ball of light in their bedroom,
Speaker 1: and just like Veggie Man, they would hear some kind
Speaker 1: of a high pitched sound coming from and one person
Speaker 1: would hear that sound, and then another person would hear
Speaker 1: instead a voice, and the voice would say, do not
Speaker 1: be afraid. Why is this the most common opening line?
Speaker 1: You know? In fact, if you go back and you
Speaker 1: look at the Bible, there are many occasions in the
Speaker 1: Bible on which an angel will appear, and that's the
Speaker 1: first thing the angel says. Let's see. It appears in
Speaker 1: multiple cases. In Luke chapter one, verse twenty six, the
Speaker 1: angel Gabriel says to Mary, do not be afraid, Mary,
Speaker 1: for you have found favor with the God. And then
Speaker 1: let's see. Luke two ten angel says, do not be afraid.
Speaker 1: I bring you good news that will cause great joy
Speaker 1: for all the people. And then in Matthew chapter one,
Speaker 1: verse twenty, an angel says to Joseph, do not be
Speaker 1: afraid to take Mary as your wife. I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know. All I know is I'm thinking I don't
Speaker 1: want to meet an angel if he has to be like,
Speaker 1: do not be afraid of me. I think I'll pass
Speaker 1: on meeting the angel. But who knows. It seems like
Speaker 1: in the Bible that is maybe a sign. Angels often
Speaker 1: say do not fear as a sign there from God,
Speaker 1: but obviously there are other creatures that say that as well.
Speaker 1: It's just one of those oddball things. I could probably
Speaker 1: talk about that for an hour, but let's move on.
Speaker 1: Let's get back to Veggieman here, because this guy says
Speaker 1: that when Veggie Man grabbed a hold of him, Veggie
Speaker 1: Man's eyes turned yellow to red, began to spin, and
Speaker 1: he believed that there was some kind of a transfusion
Speaker 1: taking place. Veggie Man was sucking something out of him,
Speaker 1: and then when Veggie Man was satisfied, he leapt, like
Speaker 1: I say, off into the distance like spring Hill Jack.
Speaker 1: And if you look at a sketch of what he
Speaker 1: supposedly appeared like. He looks so ridiculous. Imagine a carrot
Speaker 1: as as as a tall figure with you know how
Speaker 1: carrots have that carrot top with the green leafy stuff. Well,
Speaker 1: that's his hair sticking up. So imagine a big, tall
Speaker 1: carrot with that. That's his hair. He's got black eyes,
Speaker 1: he has a long nose, point to ears, incredible long
Speaker 1: spinlely fingers excuse me, arms each with three fingers, and
Speaker 1: he's kind of like big long duck like looking feet.
Speaker 1: He looks insane. You have to get online and just
Speaker 1: look at some of the pictures of these things. I
Speaker 1: don't know that there have been too many sightings of
Speaker 1: Veggie Man since then, but that anyway, that's what Veggie
Speaker 1: Man is. Okay, So now let's go on to the
Speaker 1: Grafton Monster. The Grafton Monster is well, this is another
Speaker 1: one of those West Virginia weirdies. And again it's not
Speaker 1: surprising because the Mothman Festival is in West Virginia, and
Speaker 1: apparently in nineteen sixty four there was a reporter there
Speaker 1: in West Virginia named Robert Cockrell. June sixteenth, nineteen sixty four,
Speaker 1: he was driving home from work on Riverside Drive, which
Speaker 1: goes past Grafton High School, and then he saw a
Speaker 1: quote large white obstruction end quote in a small clearing
Speaker 1: beside the road. He described it as being a creature
Speaker 1: as having white, seal like skin and no visible head. Now, yes,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about skin like a seal, you know, an animal,
Speaker 1: a seal, large seal like skin, and no visible head.
Speaker 1: He recalled it being very large, between seven and nine
Speaker 1: feet tall. Let's see. The creature did not move as
Speaker 1: he drove past, but he was terrified. Cockroll was terrified.
Speaker 1: After the encounter, he and his friends went right back
Speaker 1: to where he saw the creature. It was gone, but
Speaker 1: it did leave a large impression in the grass where
Speaker 1: it had been standing. They also said that they had
Speaker 1: heard an odd, low whistling sound coming from the direction
Speaker 1: of the river, but they were not sure if that
Speaker 1: was from the creature or not. If you look at
Speaker 1: a picture of what this may have been, I mean,
Speaker 1: it just kind of looks like a big, kind of
Speaker 1: pale white blob. Almost reminds me of a boulder with
Speaker 1: a couple of big, clunky arms. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you've ever played one of these video games like Zelda,
Speaker 1: where they have these boulders that wake up and kind
Speaker 1: of grow arms and come to life. It reminds me
Speaker 1: of that. Well, that's the Grafton Monster, now, you know. Now,
Speaker 1: of course, I have known for years about the flat
Speaker 1: Woods Monster. This is also, of course from West Virginia,
Speaker 1: and this is a particularly it kind of visually outstanding monster.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if this is an alien or
Speaker 1: what you could say that about any of these. On
Speaker 1: the evening of September twelfth of nineteen fifty two, they're
Speaker 1: in flat Woods, West Virginia. So there was an elementary
Speaker 1: school called flat Woods Elementary School, and so near the
Speaker 1: elementary school there were these little boys, there's like I
Speaker 1: think four of them, all residents, just playing on the
Speaker 1: lawn of the elementary school. Suddenly a bright light just
Speaker 1: streaked across the sky overhead and seemed like it crashed
Speaker 1: into a hillside beside a farm nearby, and so the
Speaker 1: boys were running to see what it was. And on
Speaker 1: the way they stopped by the home of one of
Speaker 1: the boy's mothers. A boy's mother, her name was Kathleen May.
Speaker 1: And so Kathleen May and these kids and the family
Speaker 1: dog Ritchie. They all go up to see what's on
Speaker 1: this hill. And once they get up there, they start seeing.
Speaker 1: As they get closer to the spot where the crash occurred,
Speaker 1: a pulsing red light. And then they shined a flashlight
Speaker 1: up the hill and they saw a terrifying sight. Let's see,
Speaker 1: described as by one writer Gray Barker at Fate Magazine,
Speaker 1: a creature approximately ten feet that is three meters tall,
Speaker 1: and by creature, it looks like an alien. This does
Speaker 1: not look like an animal. It's a creature though, with
Speaker 1: a round blood red face, a large pointed hoodlike shape
Speaker 1: around the face, eyes that emitted greenish orange light, a
Speaker 1: dark black or green body, small claw like hands, clothing
Speaker 1: like folds, and a head that all together resembled the
Speaker 1: Ace of spades. All right, so can you imagine this?
Speaker 1: This is a creature that it actually, you know, here's
Speaker 1: what it reminds me of. I'm a chess player. It
Speaker 1: reminds me of the bishop piece in a game of chess.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what it reminds me of. But this is
Speaker 1: some kind of I don't like it, a robot, alien monster
Speaker 1: looking thing. And so but here's the thing. They see this,
Speaker 1: and then it says it made a hissing sound and
Speaker 1: then started gliding toward them. And at that point, what
Speaker 1: do you think they did? What would you do? They screamed,
Speaker 1: dropped the flashlight, and they ran away, absolutely terrified. They
Speaker 1: said they smelled a pungent mist. Some later said they
Speaker 1: were nauseated. They went to the local sheriff and he
Speaker 1: and a deputy had been investigating some other reports of
Speaker 1: crashed aircraft in the area and they didn't find anything there,
Speaker 1: but this story it got picked up by newspapers that
Speaker 1: went all over the place, and one thing that really
Speaker 1: impressed everybody was that Kathleen May, the mother of one
Speaker 1: of the boys who had been there. She was a
Speaker 1: beautician there in town. She was an active member of
Speaker 1: this civic group called the Rebeccas, and everybody just seemed
Speaker 1: to love her. She was just very well known, and
Speaker 1: she passed away several years ago. But the people who
Speaker 1: own like there's a museum, I guess, like a Flatwood's
Speaker 1: Monster museum. They say that people who used to know
Speaker 1: her to this day, they'll come in and they'll talk
Speaker 1: about what a nice lady she was, and how trustworthy
Speaker 1: and down to earth she was, and that was one
Speaker 1: of the things that seemed to give that story some credibility.
Speaker 1: So look up the flat Woods Monster. We're about to
Speaker 1: come up on a break here. When we come back, well,
Speaker 1: I'm going to try to squeeze in at least a
Speaker 1: few more the Pasca Goula alien, the hodagg the pumpkin Man,
Speaker 1: the hoop snake. Yeah, and then a little later in
Speaker 1: the show, I want to talk some about this extraordinary
Speaker 1: weather that we've been having. And I get contacted all
Speaker 1: the time with people who have suspicions about something nefarious
Speaker 1: happening behind the scenes, some kind of conspiracy at hand. Well, fine,
Speaker 1: let's talk about that. Let's get into that a little
Speaker 1: bit that's coming up later in the show. I'm Joshua
Speaker 1: Pee Warren, and you're listening to Strange Things on the
Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM paranormal podcast network, and
Speaker 1: I will be back after these important messages. Welcome back
Speaker 1: to Strange Things on the iHeart Radio and Coast to
Speaker 1: Coast AM, a normal podcast network. I'm your host, Joshua
Speaker 1: Pee Warren, and this is the show where the unusual
Speaker 1: becomes usual. Now I know I told you this show
Speaker 1: is going to be about weirdo monsters. But I'm using
Speaker 1: that term monster quite generally because I mean, aren't all
Speaker 1: of these creepy things kind of monsters in a way?
Speaker 1: What is a monster? And of course I am. I
Speaker 1: was inspired to do this show because a lot of
Speaker 1: these things, these creatures that are sort of featured and
Speaker 1: promoted at monster festivals like the Mothman Festival. And I
Speaker 1: say that because this next creature is actually called the
Speaker 1: Pascagoula Alien. And yet it's just I don't know, is
Speaker 1: this an alien? Probably we don't know. But here's the story.
Speaker 1: The Passcagoula Alien is from what's called the Pascagoula Abduction.
Speaker 1: And this happened. INT's see Mississippi of course, an alleged
Speaker 1: UFO sighting an abduction in nineteen seventy three in which
Speaker 1: Charles Hickson and Calvin Parker claimed they were abducted and
Speaker 1: examined before being released by aliens while they were fishing
Speaker 1: near Pascagoula on the evening of October eleventh of nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy three, forty two year old Charles Hickson and nineteen
Speaker 1: year old Calvin Parker told the Jackson County, Mississippi Sheriff's Office.
Speaker 1: They were fishing off a pier on the west bank
Speaker 1: of the Pascagoula River when they heard a whirring or
Speaker 1: whizzing sound. They saw two flashing blue lights and observed
Speaker 1: an oval shaped object thirty to forty feet that's nine
Speaker 1: to twelve meters across and eight to ten feet high,
Speaker 1: which is two to three meters. They claimed they were
Speaker 1: conscious but paralyzed while three creatures with quote robotic slit
Speaker 1: mouths end quote let me repeat that robotic slit mouths
Speaker 1: and quote crab like pinchers, let me repeat that crab
Speaker 1: like painters in quote took them aboard the object and
Speaker 1: subjected them to an examination. Uh. Then of course they
Speaker 1: got that got out and uh, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know the details of the examination. But when you
Speaker 1: look at what the Pasca, the Pasca Goula aliens supposedly
Speaker 1: looked like, it is depicted as a tall, upright, kind
Speaker 1: of homogeneous looking being with a slightly domed head, and
Speaker 1: it has some kind of a big slit across the
Speaker 1: front of its face, and then it has these long
Speaker 1: arms that have the almost crab like pinchers, and I
Speaker 1: guess because of the slit and all that, it kind
Speaker 1: of reminds me a bit of Platau from the movie
Speaker 1: The Earth The Day the Earth Stood Still? So I
Speaker 1: don't know, what do you think. It's a weird looking thing.
Speaker 1: And apparently they it looks like they always show it
Speaker 1: having a couple of little like pointy ears sticking out
Speaker 1: of the side of its head or something like that
Speaker 1: as well. The Pasca goula monster, all right. Next we
Speaker 1: have the hoedag, and I see an American folklore of
Speaker 1: the hoe dag is a fearsome critter resembling a large
Speaker 1: carniv carnivore with bullhorns with a row of thick, curved
Speaker 1: spines down its back. The ho dag was said to
Speaker 1: be borne from the ashes of cremated oxen as the
Speaker 1: incarnation of the accumulation of abuse these animals had suffered
Speaker 1: at the hands of their masters. I say the history
Speaker 1: of this ho dag is strongly tied to Wisconsin. It
Speaker 1: features prominently in Paul Bunyan stories. They say this is
Speaker 1: the actual origin. In eighteen ninety three, newspapers reported the
Speaker 1: discovery of a hoag in Wisconsin. The articles claimed the
Speaker 1: hodag had the head of a frog, the grinning face
Speaker 1: of a giant elephant, thick short legs set off by
Speaker 1: huge claws, the back of a dinosaur, and a long
Speaker 1: tail with spears at the end. The reports were instigated
Speaker 1: by a well known Wisconsin land surveyor who was also
Speaker 1: a well known prankster named Eugene Shephard, and who rounded
Speaker 1: up a group of local people to capture the animal,
Speaker 1: and they said that they needed to use dynamite to
Speaker 1: kill the beast. A photograph of the remains of the
Speaker 1: charred beast was released to the media and it said, quote,
Speaker 1: it was the fiercest, strangest, most frightening monster ever to
Speaker 1: set razors sharp claws on the earth. It became extinct
Speaker 1: after its main food source, all white bulldogs, became scarce
Speaker 1: in the area. End quote. And you know what's funny
Speaker 1: about the hodag? And I'm not going to try to
Speaker 1: describe it any more than it was described originally. The
Speaker 1: ho dag has been featured all over North Carolina and
Speaker 1: all over this country, so it's even though it may
Speaker 1: have originated there in Wisconsin. I mean, I heard about
Speaker 1: the ho dag growing up next this is something that
Speaker 1: is much more obscure. This is possibly the most obscure
Speaker 1: of all the cryptids that I'm talking about. And again
Speaker 1: I'm not necessary talking about cryptids. I should say monsters
Speaker 1: if I just want to be particularly accurate. The Pumpkin Man. Now,
Speaker 1: when I started investigating Brown Mountain in North Carolina where
Speaker 1: people see the Brown Mountain lights, when I was a teenager,
Speaker 1: that's way back then, I started hearing occasionally that there
Speaker 1: was this creature that would be seen around Brown Mountain
Speaker 1: called the Pumpkin Man. And this is not to be
Speaker 1: confused with the character from the pumpkin Head movie. But look,
Speaker 1: basically here is how he was described, and I would
Speaker 1: just people would tell me about it. Sometimes i'd find
Speaker 1: an Internet post. I was actually going back to see
Speaker 1: if there was anything new, and I realized that I
Speaker 1: had talked about this on Coast to Coast AM apparently
Speaker 1: on July seventeenth of two thousand and nine, that people
Speaker 1: who had told me they recently saw him right there
Speaker 1: running around Brown Mountain described him as between four and
Speaker 1: six feet tall, with a skinny body, branch like arms
Speaker 1: and legs, a big head with a shriveled face, and
Speaker 1: piercing glowing red eyes. The monster is said to just
Speaker 1: appear and disappear in some mysterious way, and is also
Speaker 1: said to have been seen at times floating in the
Speaker 1: air in a little bubble. So pumpkin Man, he kind
Speaker 1: of imagine. Here's what I imagine from what people are
Speaker 1: telling me. Imagine something like a gray like a gray alien,
Speaker 1: except extremely thin and withered and wrinkled, almost like it's
Speaker 1: just super de high rated, but also much more wispy
Speaker 1: and even scarier looking. That's basically what I'm what I've
Speaker 1: gathered and look. I camped up there. I can't tell
Speaker 1: you how many times I camped up on Brown Mountain,
Speaker 1: and I never saw the Pumpkin Man. I never saw
Speaker 1: any evidence of a punkin man. Now. I saw plenty
Speaker 1: of weird things up there, as you know. I saw
Speaker 1: the lights, videotape the lights numerous times. I had ghost
Speaker 1: encounters up there, plenty of bizarro things. I think I
Speaker 1: went through it time, slip up there, kind of like
Speaker 1: a I walked through, perhaps a portal to another another
Speaker 1: essence of the dimension. I've talked about all this before,
Speaker 1: But I never saw a Pumpkin Man. But I haven't
Speaker 1: heard a pumpkin Man story in a while, so I
Speaker 1: wanted to bring that up to see if anybody out
Speaker 1: there has a new pumpkin Man story. And let me
Speaker 1: leave you with this, The hoop snake. Hop the hoop snake. Now,
Speaker 1: according to folklore, the distinguishing feature of a hoop snake
Speaker 1: is that it can grasp its tail in its jaws,
Speaker 1: like the oroboros of Greek mythology, and then it can
Speaker 1: roll after its prey like a wheel. So you get that.
Speaker 1: Imagine a snake puts its tail in its mouth and
Speaker 1: then it flips up like a tire and can roll,
Speaker 1: especially downhills, roll very very quickly, much faster than it
Speaker 1: could even slither to attack its prey. In one version
Speaker 1: of the myth, the snake straightens out at the last second,
Speaker 1: skewing its victim with its venomous tail. The only escape
Speaker 1: is to hide behind a tree, which receives the deadly
Speaker 1: blow instead and promptly dies from the poison. This is
Speaker 1: actually he described all over the place, not just here
Speaker 1: in the United States, but also Canada, Australia. I didn't
Speaker 1: even know this, it said it was in the pecos
Speaker 1: Bill stories. And here is one thing that stands out
Speaker 1: for me about this. When I was growing up, there
Speaker 1: was this old man who lived right down the road
Speaker 1: from us, and he swore that when he was in
Speaker 1: his twenties, he was out in the woods one day
Speaker 1: and he saw one of these hoop snakes. He said
Speaker 1: he saw the snake literally take its tail in its mouth,
Speaker 1: flip up, and roll down a hill. And I don't
Speaker 1: know if it came after him or not. I don't
Speaker 1: recall him saying that, but he would put his hand
Speaker 1: on a stack of Bibles and say he'd seen this. Now,
Speaker 1: scientists say that this is a legendary creature, this is
Speaker 1: a myth. There's no evidence, so I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: may it sounds like a bunch of bs, obviously, But
Speaker 1: that's a challenge for some of you who want to
Speaker 1: go out there and make a great discovery. If you're
Speaker 1: the first person to go out and actually document a
Speaker 1: snake doing this, it's going to be a big deal
Speaker 1: when we come back. Let's talk about this concept that
Speaker 1: there might be some kind of weather manipulation going on.
Speaker 1: A lot of people are very suspicious right now, and
Speaker 1: there's a lot of bad stuff happening. I'm Joshua wa
Speaker 1: Pe Warren. You're listening to Strange Things on the iHeartRadio
Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast AM paramorbal podcast Network, and I
Speaker 1: will be right back. Welcome back to the final segment
Speaker 1: of this edition of Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and
Speaker 1: Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. I am your host,
Speaker 1: Joshua P. Warren, And let me point out right up
Speaker 1: front that this show is often recorded up to two
Speaker 1: weeks in advance, so I can't really talk about things
Speaker 1: in real time as they are happening, like you might
Speaker 1: get from a live stream or a live radio So
Speaker 1: who knows how much has changed in the world by
Speaker 1: the time you hear this. Things are moving at a
Speaker 1: pretty fast pace, and a lot changes in two weeks.
Speaker 1: But here's the situation right now. I was born in Asheville,
Speaker 1: North Carolina. I lived in western North Carolina most of
Speaker 1: my life basically up until in my forties, up into
Speaker 1: the age of forty. You know, I started in my
Speaker 1: late thirties traveling to back and forth to Puerto Rico.
Speaker 1: But anyway, that's that's my homeland. And over a week ago,
Speaker 1: as you probably know, the Hurricane Helene came through and
Speaker 1: just caused devastating historic flooding in western North Carolina and
Speaker 1: all throughout the southeastern United States, and it just really
Speaker 1: took everybody off guard. I mean, there are portions of
Speaker 1: western North Carolina that were so destroyed that it's going
Speaker 1: to be years for them to rebuild. And then there
Speaker 1: were other parts that are basically pristine, like downtown Asheville,
Speaker 1: where we do the Haunted Asheville Ghost Tours, perfectly fine,
Speaker 1: nothing wrong there. It's just certain areas that were you know,
Speaker 1: they got hit bad, and it threw everybody off guard.
Speaker 1: Very few people were prepared for something like this. And
Speaker 1: even as I record this show, I mean my mom
Speaker 1: and dad and sister still and this is a week
Speaker 1: after the storm. Over a week after the storm, they
Speaker 1: still don't have electricity or water or internet, barely have
Speaker 1: any cell service. Very very sketchy. And so that's why
Speaker 1: I've always stressed the importance of having as much prep
Speaker 1: as possible. I did episode seventy five of this show.
Speaker 1: It's called Watt's in my bug out Bag, and I
Speaker 1: actually tell you what I Josh Whoopee Warren have in
Speaker 1: my bug out bag. And to give you some ideas
Speaker 1: if you go back and listen to episode seventy five.
Speaker 1: And of course, as you can imagine, some of the
Speaker 1: people who fared very well through this have a sunshine
Speaker 1: simple solar generator so they don't have to depend on gas.
Speaker 1: But let me get back to the point here. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to tell you all about what happened because
Speaker 1: you can. I'm sure you've seen that on the news,
Speaker 1: and by the time you hear this show, who knows
Speaker 1: what other bad weather events have happened in this country.
Speaker 1: But my point is, shortly after people could start communicating again,
Speaker 1: I started having I was getting bombarded with all these
Speaker 1: messages from people who were very suspicious, who had a
Speaker 1: lot of conspiracies they wanted to tell me about regarding
Speaker 1: weather manipulation, believing that this was not an act of nature,
Speaker 1: that this was contrived, that this was this is something
Speaker 1: that was done to somehow weather was weaponized. I mean,
Speaker 1: they say, look here we are, we're right up here
Speaker 1: on an election. That's fishy. And then people are claiming
Speaker 1: that once a lot of these communities were wiped out,
Speaker 1: it just so happens that these are places where there
Speaker 1: are these rich deposits of lithium and other precious resources,
Speaker 1: and that the government wants to give out these contracts
Speaker 1: these lithium companies so they can take that to make
Speaker 1: batteries for electric cars and push forward that electric agenda. Oh,
Speaker 1: I've heard all this stuff, and let me just tell
Speaker 1: you right off the bat, I believe one hundred percent
Speaker 1: that there does exist weather manipulation technology. I have talked
Speaker 1: for years and years and years, probably twenty years about
Speaker 1: the HAARP project, for example, HAARP, And if you don't
Speaker 1: know what that is, go look it up. HAARP. So
Speaker 1: I am no stranger to the fact that weather can
Speaker 1: be manipulated. But here are some things to keep in mind.
Speaker 1: Even if there were, or let me put it in,
Speaker 1: even if there is some supervillain politician with a machine
Speaker 1: that controls the weather, I still think that Mother Nature
Speaker 1: is so much more powerful that toying with it this
Speaker 1: close to an election could easily backfire. And then it's
Speaker 1: just not as reliable as you might think. And you
Speaker 1: also have to understand that the area of Asheville, right
Speaker 1: there near Asheville that was hit the hardest, was built
Speaker 1: more village and all growing up we always heard about
Speaker 1: the Great flood of nineteen sixteen, this historic, unbelievable flood
Speaker 1: that occurred where you'd see pictures where like everything was gone,
Speaker 1: just swallowed up by water. There's a giant church there.
Speaker 1: The water was all the way up to the steeple.
Speaker 1: I mean, I always knew that this happened in nineteen sixteen,
Speaker 1: and I wondered why people didn't realize that this is
Speaker 1: probably going to happen again someday. Now, granted, this flood
Speaker 1: was even bigger than the one in nineteen sixteen, but
Speaker 1: you also have to realize that nature goes through these
Speaker 1: very weird, unpredictable, sort of sporadic situations, well cycles, that's
Speaker 1: the word I'm looking for. Like, for example, everybody talks you,
Speaker 1: we hear a lot of people saying like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: there's global warming. You know, the Earth is warming up.
Speaker 1: And yet oddly enough, the hottest day on record was
Speaker 1: in Death Valley National Park in nineteen thirteen. That's weird.
Speaker 1: So it's hard to predict what Mother Nature is going
Speaker 1: to do. And I'm not prepared to jump straight to
Speaker 1: the conclusion that this is an intentional act of some
Speaker 1: kind of weaponizing of weather. I'm not saying it's not
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that if you use Akham's razor, which
Speaker 1: is that the likeliest explanation is the simplest one, then
Speaker 1: we know that that is an area that has gotten
Speaker 1: historically flooded, and it's gotten historically flooded again. But it
Speaker 1: affects us even more now because we're even more populated,
Speaker 1: and we also have more infrastructure that directs water and
Speaker 1: focuses water and channels water. So I'm just I know
Speaker 1: some of you are going to be ticked that I'm
Speaker 1: not saying, yes, it's true, the government has shot their
Speaker 1: heartbeam and fired up this hurricane and directed it with
Speaker 1: their joystick right there. I know some of you are
Speaker 1: going to be disappointed that I'm not saying that, but
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you the truth. I don't think we
Speaker 1: can jump to that conclusion. I think that there is
Speaker 1: a good possibility that this is something that could be
Speaker 1: could be natural. But and you know, I was thinking
Speaker 1: about how that in the Bible and Genesis, it says
Speaker 1: that God regretted creating man. I'm looking at here. Genesis
Speaker 1: chapter six, verse six says the Lord regretted making human
Speaker 1: beings on the earth. His heart was aggrieved, and so
Speaker 1: the Lord said, I will wipe out from the earth
Speaker 1: the human beings I have created, and not only the
Speaker 1: human beings, but also the animals and the crawling things
Speaker 1: and the birds of the aar, for I regret that
Speaker 1: I made them, and then he created the great flood.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's maybe it's something closer to that. Maybe God
Speaker 1: or Mother Nature is doing this because of how we
Speaker 1: have allowed our society to behave. And you might think,
Speaker 1: but why me, I'm one of the good ones. Well,
Speaker 1: it reminds me of that scene in the Clint Eastwood
Speaker 1: movie Unforgiven, when the kid kills a man and feels
Speaker 1: bad about it, and then he says to Clint Eastwood, well,
Speaker 1: I guess they had it coming. And Clint Eastwood, he
Speaker 1: squints as he stares into the distance, he says, we
Speaker 1: all got it coming. So I hope you have a
Speaker 1: nice day. But you know, just try to do the
Speaker 1: best you can do. You can't control the whole world,
Speaker 1: but you can make an impact on those around you.
Speaker 1: So I hope you stay focused on that and try
Speaker 1: to be a good example and have some sympathy for others.
Speaker 1: And I thank you all so much, every single one
Speaker 1: of you. I thank you so much who have donated
Speaker 1: money and resources and time and have continued to do
Speaker 1: everything that you can to help others, because that's all
Speaker 1: you can do. You know, it doesn't matter where you live.
Speaker 1: I'm just speaking for my own country. It doesn't matter
Speaker 1: where you live. There's always the potential for something, whether
Speaker 1: it's an earthquake or a forest fire, or a tornado
Speaker 1: or a blizzard, all right, or a drought. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's just always potential for something. And you know, we
Speaker 1: are we're kind of like fleas living on the earth here,
Speaker 1: and we can't always believe that everything that happens is
Speaker 1: a conspiracy. We also have to just be aware that
Speaker 1: you need to do your best to prepare because tomorrow
Speaker 1: everything can just turn upside down. So let's pray for
Speaker 1: everybody out there who is still struggling and still suffering,
Speaker 1: and we'll just keep working to make it better. And
Speaker 1: now let us all focus. Take a deep breath, close
Speaker 1: your eyes if you can. Here's the good Fortune tone.
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