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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast, Never Lost to Dallas. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast, presented

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Speaker 1: by New Era. My name is Dan hansis joined in

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Speaker 1: the room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, and

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Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal. What is up, boys? Hey Dan? Happy hump Day?

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Speaker 1: That's what it is. You're all over the days of

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Speaker 1: the week. Monday's heavily on your radar, but hump Day,

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Speaker 1: I think is catching catching up some. There are some

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Speaker 1: people and I I don't necessarily agree that view Wednesday

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Speaker 1: as the worst day than Monday, which is a hot take.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say it's a hot take. In the preseason, also,

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Speaker 1: the days of the week get a little blurry. I

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Speaker 1: know you guys are people are working on the weekends

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Speaker 1: that the preseason games are on the weekends, and it

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Speaker 1: really very mercies your whole bit. That's what really needed,

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Speaker 1: like more people's opinions on days. UM. Today is another

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Speaker 1: busy day for the show. We have UM news What's

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Speaker 1: going on around the NFL. That's how it got the

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Speaker 1: name actually was the name that was given to us. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it actually got the name because it was the

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Speaker 1: name of a television show that's no lot, and we

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Speaker 1: had to change our name just for corporate synchronicity, and

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Speaker 1: then they canceled or changed that show like a year later.

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Speaker 1: These are all absolutely true facts from Greg. I never

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Speaker 1: liked the name, but now it's one of those things

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Speaker 1: thinks anything of it. Well, and we cannot change it again.

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Speaker 1: I mean we could. We continually take our brand and

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Speaker 1: implode it from the inside out. It is. It is

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Speaker 1: quite generic, though, there's something about it that's just like

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Speaker 1: it's forgetable, forgettable name. It's a brutal name. And it's

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Speaker 1: amazing show. By the way Succession that Dan and I

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Speaker 1: are digging into the it's a it's about a family

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Speaker 1: that owns a string of media companies, but one of

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, I can't quite separate from what's happening

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Speaker 1: here and what's happening on an HBO fictional narrative. If

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Speaker 1: we ever grow in stature to be like a villainous

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Speaker 1: and I think that's the most important thing. Money is

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Speaker 1: what's important, guys, That's what the money's for. What are

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Speaker 1: all right? Coming up today? Yes? News. Also, it was

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Speaker 1: the premier of season I believe thirteen of Hard Knocks

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Speaker 1: training camp with the Cleveland Browns Mark on edge. Mark

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Speaker 1: was at handsas manor because he doesn't have cable. Uh,

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Speaker 1: very nervous Mark Sessler, uh showed up at my house

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Speaker 1: I there are palpable nerves on your side, Yeah, which

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Speaker 1: I get because I know you. Not many other people

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Speaker 1: you are. But Browns fans might. Yeah, not a little

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Speaker 1: exe rams, Hey look at us around up swing. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to know you're nervous. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: other fans would be nervous though about the heart. It's

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Speaker 1: more because I don't go suddenly the next day, work

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Speaker 1: in an accounting firm where everyone's just studying math all day.

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Speaker 1: many moments where I cringed and I thought, I'm glad

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Speaker 1: I'm not next to Mark right now. Alright, so we're

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Speaker 1: getting We're gonna get to all of that, and Mark,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm here for your buddy. Uh. And also a

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Speaker 1: little later on the show, are good buddy, um Neil Reynolds,

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Speaker 1: So that's today's show. Uh, we welcome back now behind

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Speaker 1: the glass. There she is Lindsey Fulton, who was not

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Speaker 1: devoured by a brown bear, so that's good. Their black

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Speaker 1: Can you believe that in the past three years, last,

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Speaker 1: though some news and since yes this is a hard

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Speaker 1: Browns who drafted wide receiver Antonio Callaway. They got him

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Speaker 1: I think it's a great idea for a statue. One thing,

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Speaker 1: All right, it's time for our favorite NFL documentary series

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Speaker 1: of all time, Hard Knocks. I wish I could talk

455
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 1: like um any of the narrators. The narrative, well, it's

456
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Speaker 1: only one. Well, Paul Rudd did it one season, the

457
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Speaker 1: chief seasons leave Shriver has done it every other season.

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Speaker 1: What gravitas? Nice gig? Right, Yeah, Saul leaves Shriver in

459
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Speaker 1: a bookstore in New York City once perusing the magazine

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Speaker 1: section good actor, you know, very good at scream um.

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Speaker 1: All right, Yes, the Cleveland Browns are the focus this

462
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Speaker 1: season of hard knocks and uh and so much to

463
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Speaker 1: unpack because yes, the hard knocks even when the team

464
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 1: isn't that compelling. A pick NFL Films, though, such a

465
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: nice job picking um different things to dig into, and

466
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Speaker 1: they make it good with the Browns, Greg there's no

467
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 1: shortage of topics to dig into, and we saw that

468
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Speaker 1: right off the bat in the premiere. It's crazy that

469
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Speaker 1: they're the Browns are a national team right now in

470
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Speaker 1: a way that they weren't, you know, five or six

471
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Speaker 1: years ago, when they were almost as bad but somehow

472
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Speaker 1: just more forgettable. I guess it's the one and thirty

473
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Speaker 1: one thing and that people want to see turn around,

474
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 1: but it's also the personalities and just like the Sashi

475
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Speaker 1: and the approach that they really it's like they feel

476
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Speaker 1: like they're one of the most popular teams in terms

477
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Speaker 1: of just conversation, which really makes no sense since they're

478
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Speaker 1: so terrible. I feel like Manzel probably got them there

479
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Speaker 1: to some degree because it wasn't just the name, but

480
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Speaker 1: it was all the chaos and the constant drama, and

481
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Speaker 1: then on top of it you get this record setting

482
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Speaker 1: law it number one with Hard Knocks. For me, I

483
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Speaker 1: I it's I don't think they're all equal, they're all

484
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 1: they all have their special moments. But the set up

485
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Speaker 1: for this one, and I'm not saying this is someone

486
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Speaker 1: that follows the Browns, is unique for Hard Knocks because

487
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: we've never seen a team come out of a season

488
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,959
Speaker 1: like this and the season before and the two decades before.

489
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Speaker 1: You want to see transformation. And they're trying to say,

490
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Speaker 1: we're this team that's changed our character and we're changing

491
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Speaker 1: our culture, and now we're gonna find out it that's true.

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Speaker 1: And I think there's evidence to suggest that a little

493
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Speaker 1: bit of it's true. But there's people inside the building

494
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Speaker 1: that don't believe it's true too, which makes for compelling TV.

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Speaker 1: Let me start just like laying a little groundwork of

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Speaker 1: the scene, and um so I I. For the last

497
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Speaker 1: seven years now, I've been writing the recaps on NFL

498
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Speaker 1: dot com. So I have a whole process when I

499
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Speaker 1: sit in front of my couch and and you know,

500
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Speaker 1: take notes on the show. I'm shazamming songs that are playing.

501
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: I got a whole thing going on. But Mark asked

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Speaker 1: me to come over. Of course Mark was welcome. He

503
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 1: wanted to watch Hard Knocks is hbos streaming decisions are questionable,

504
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: like you wouldn't be able to watch the show until

505
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 1: the next day. Mark needed to see it in real time.

506
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Speaker 1: He had to tweet to his followers and of those things.

507
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Speaker 1: And when Mark came, when Mark just like, I can't

508
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 1: go to sleep yet. Mark. Yeah, I don't know if

509
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: that is out there, but yeah, when Mark, when I

510
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,479
Speaker 1: opened the door and saw Mark like walking towards me,

511
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: I could see that you how nervous you were for this.

512
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Speaker 1: So I want the first question I want to ask,

513
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Speaker 1: And anybody that listens to the spot knows why Mark

514
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Speaker 1: was nervous. Because Mark is a little sensitive about how

515
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,719
Speaker 1: the Browns are portrayed and is afraid of people getting

516
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: new and the media and fans getting new ammunition watching

517
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Speaker 1: the first episode, I want to know you coming out

518
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Speaker 1: of it, Mark, how did you feel where you were

519
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Speaker 1: your nerves justified? I think so because I mean, look,

520
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Speaker 1: I think there were things about it where there I

521
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Speaker 1: think the overall could in the in the one to

522
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Speaker 1: ten category, it was a solid seven. Where for me

523
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: something's uh made me feel like the Browns were the

524
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 1: right team for this, and there's things about the Browns

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00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: to like. And there were things that I left very

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Speaker 1: concerned about two which we can dig into. Let's get

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Speaker 1: do it. I mean, for me, the turning point in

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Speaker 1: the episode. The backdrop is that Hugh Jackson has lost

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Speaker 1: in the course of a couple of weeks, his brother

530
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Speaker 1: and his mom and and anyone else in any most

531
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 1: professions would vanish from work for multiple weeks and go

532
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Speaker 1: deal with that family situation. And I think what we

533
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: what Hard Knocks does a good job of as you

534
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Speaker 1: look behind the scenes, is head coaches and coaches in

535
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: general are not afforded that opportunity in the middle of

536
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Speaker 1: a training camp, and so Hugh Jackson, I mean before

537
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Speaker 1: about three quarters of the way through the episode, when

538
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 1: he finally addresses this grief, when a couple of people

539
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Speaker 1: from the team, John Dorsey, the PR guy, come in

540
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Speaker 1: and say come on, man, you got it. Let's let's

541
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Speaker 1: have a hug and let's deal with this human side

542
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: of things. He breaks down before that, he's trying to

543
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Speaker 1: navigate these meetings and navigate practice. And I don't know

544
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Speaker 1: if we're getting the full Hugh Jackson, but I think

545
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: he got ensnared in a couple of meetings and one

546
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Speaker 1: it's Hugh Jackson is the contrast. And I'll I'm sorry

547
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Speaker 1: to be so long within long winded. The contrast in

548
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Speaker 1: the meeting between Hugh Jackson's plan for resting players and

549
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: then you have this is this whole culture. We're gonna

550
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: be a hard you know, we're gonna be a hard team.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be a different team. And I always talked

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00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: about it last year, the sit you know, enough with

553
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Speaker 1: the nice, calm brown stand up and be braggy, right,

554
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: Remember I talked about that as a joke. It's like,

555
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: enough with all the charity work, and I charity work

556
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: is nice, but stand up and start punching some teams around.

557
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: Now you have guys like Todd Haley that with the

558
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: Steelers blew the Browns up for half a decade, comes

559
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Speaker 1: in and basically calls out Hugh Jackson and the Browns

560
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Speaker 1: are saying, we are resting players. We have so far

561
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Speaker 1: to go right. We have to show these guys the

562
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Speaker 1: rigors of the league. Put them in there now and

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Speaker 1: make this happen. And right away you saw this philosophical

564
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Speaker 1: budding of heads. That is what left me the most concerned,

565
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Speaker 1: and I think many others too. Let's go right before

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Speaker 1: that scene, uh and West, I want to know your

567
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Speaker 1: thoughts on this. Right before that scene, you get what

568
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Speaker 1: is probably the biggest scene for a lot of people,

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Speaker 1: was Jarvis Landry who came over in the trade from

570
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Speaker 1: Miami and he's picking up on the same thing that

571
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Speaker 1: running backs coach was. I love the running backs coach's

572
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Speaker 1: name is Freddie Kitchen. Freddie Kitchens and Haley both broach

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Speaker 1: something that Jarvis Landry brings up in a wide receiver's meeting.

574
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Speaker 1: He sees guys not practicing and he thinks it's an

575
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Speaker 1: epidemic that has helped hurt the Browns for has hurt

576
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Speaker 1: the Browns for years. Let's hear what Jervis Landry had

577
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Speaker 1: to say. You're gone. You're a mag game bro. Gone,

578
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Speaker 1: You're a mag game bro. I don't know like you

579
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Speaker 1: should practice straight up like that this weakness and that

580
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Speaker 1: it's contagious. And in this room, bro, that be in

581
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Speaker 1: the passing. That's why the pass is over. We're here, bro.

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Speaker 1: If you practice practice, you can't get no better. Ain't

583
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Speaker 1: nobody gonna get better. But on SI if you west,

584
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Speaker 1: when uh Landry brings us up with teammates, when the

585
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Speaker 1: running backs coach and Haley broach it with Hugh Jackson,

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Speaker 1: what were your thoughts on how Jackson handled it? He

587
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Speaker 1: immediately went Game of Thrones in in the meeting with

588
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Speaker 1: the coaches. When you sit in this chair, that's what matters.

589
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: And he made he said that statement three or four

590
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Speaker 1: times from this chair, and this is the chair that matters.

591
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Speaker 1: And to me, it seems like awfully early in the

592
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: season to be going power play on your coaches. And

593
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: to me, so the Browns aren't just your normal team

594
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: trying for a turnaround. There are ghosts in that building

595
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: and you have to eradicate the ghost before you can

596
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Speaker 1: turn it around. And this episode is teaming with ghosts.

597
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Speaker 1: Jarvis Landry should not be the guy standing up in

598
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Speaker 1: the wide receiver's room if this was, but he's the veteran,

599
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: so it sort of has to. Okay, let's let me finish.

600
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Speaker 1: If this is a contending team, you've got somebody with

601
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: a much greater resume than Jarvis Landry who is coming

602
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Speaker 1: from another team. And let me check my notes here.

603
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: The Miami Dolphins are not a playoff contender. They are

604
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: not a model organization. Jarvis Landry took the money and

605
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: came to Cleveland. To me, he lacks gravitas. And I

606
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: know a lot of people love that speech. I've learned

607
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: on playing on teams to tune out the swearers and

608
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Speaker 1: the shouters and the screamers. I didn't buy into that speech,

609
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Speaker 1: and I didn't buy into much of what the Cleveland

610
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Speaker 1: Browns are doing in this episode. I do buy into

611
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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, though. The fact that he was making this

612
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: speech to me just kind of speaks to their roster

613
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: because they literally don't have another receiver on the roster

614
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: who's ever done anything at the NFL level. Josh Gordon's

615
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: not there, He's I don't So it's a bunch of

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Speaker 1: young guys. If Jarvis Landry knows how to work, he

617
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Speaker 1: knows how to compete, he knows how to be a professional,

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Speaker 1: and so and those guys don't even know him because

619
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Speaker 1: he's a free agent. But so like, if a guy

620
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Speaker 1: came onto my team and I'm in that room, that

621
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Speaker 1: speech is not going overwhelm. Who are you to come

622
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: in here and you want guys like that? The my takeaway,

623
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Speaker 1: and this is before and Hugh Jackson losing his mind.

624
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Speaker 1: It was. It was so sad and I did wonder,

625
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Speaker 1: like I do think some coaches would would have left

626
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: in fact, and some have in the past. So that

627
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: was a decision. He also has hard knocks cameras. It's

628
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: a decision he made. It was also, but that was

629
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Speaker 1: before camp. That was that was I believe during the

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Speaker 1: O t S. But even before that happened, because that

631
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Speaker 1: to me was different his emotions. I was thinking, like,

632
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Speaker 1: Hugh Jackson's a good guy. He's obviously a good guy.

633
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Speaker 1: Maybe that's why he's in the job still because the

634
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Speaker 1: hasms believe he's a good guy and they don't want

635
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Speaker 1: to send him on his way losing, you know, after

636
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Speaker 1: Owen sixteen. But I was watching and I'm thinking, why

637
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Speaker 1: why is he still the coach? Because he seems beaten down.

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Speaker 1: He just seems a little beaten down that he's almost

639
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Speaker 1: trying to, you know, convince, convince everyone that it's okay.

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Speaker 1: He's almost trying to convince how can he not be

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Speaker 1: beaten down after the last couple of years. It's how

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Speaker 1: do you work out that right? And and when there's

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Speaker 1: especially when there's a new general manager there that that

644
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Speaker 1: it just sticks out to me more that like it

645
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Speaker 1: to strange. It's a strange fit that you have this

646
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Speaker 1: new GM and sort of a new regime, but then

647
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Speaker 1: you still have Hugh there that that has the effects

648
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Speaker 1: of last thing and Todd Haley. I couldn't as that

649
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Speaker 1: was going on. At first of all, I thought it

650
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Speaker 1: was calculated and kind of fascinating that how Haley challenged

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Speaker 1: Hugh Jackson knowing the cameras on the MIC's run and

652
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Speaker 1: then watching Haley's face while Jackson was doing that this

653
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: is my bus routine and thinking to myself, like, what

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Speaker 1: is Todd Haley thinking. I know, Todd Haley was a

655
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Speaker 1: head coach and it didn't really work out, but he's

656
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Speaker 1: had a lot of success in his career at different stops,

657
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Speaker 1: and he's like, and I'm wondering if this is something

658
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Speaker 1: a lot of these coaches are thinking and maybe not saying,

659
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Speaker 1: is I'm gonna I'm supposed to follow you. You're the

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Speaker 1: one and thirty one guy, You're the you're the own

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Speaker 1: sixteen guy, You're the jumping in the lake guy, like

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Speaker 1: you're supposed to be the guy that I I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: take you at your word. And I thought that was

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Speaker 1: kind of like the big overarching like aspect of that premiere,

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Speaker 1: which is here's the Browns, Here's the hard Land, here

666
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Speaker 1: is the we are starting over. We spent a ton

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Speaker 1: of money, we brought in the new quarterback, we got

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Speaker 1: the new GM. We are turning things around here. But

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Speaker 1: do you have the wrong guy in driving the bus?

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Speaker 1: And and does he do the players believe in him?

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00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: Do the coaches respect him? And I think that's a

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Speaker 1: major subplot. Todd Hailey said, if we live in our

673
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: fears that which is a Mike Tomlin line, which but

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Speaker 1: it was, but it's a good line. It was a

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Speaker 1: good line just because maybe I'm so psychoanalyzing too much.

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Speaker 1: But you see Hugh Jackson as a guy that you

677
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Speaker 1: know might be living, you know, living in his fear,

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Speaker 1: he's living in last. He still has the effective last.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's the mentality of of the fan

680
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Speaker 1: base two and and the beat reporters some degree, and

681
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Speaker 1: the coaching staff and the players. Is what's gonna go

682
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Speaker 1: wrong next? And it's Haley that came out on that

683
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Speaker 1: practice field and he sees Corey Coleman, who has been

684
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Speaker 1: coddled over two seasons, not performing well. And he's not

685
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 1: used to that. He's used to seeing Antonio Brown, Juju Smith,

686
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: Schuster and the rest of the Pittsburgh Steelers roster go

687
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Speaker 1: out and do their jobs. And he called Coleman out.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was a great moment. It's this one

689
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: guy that from somewhere else that is his culture of winning,

690
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: looking at what's happening around him, saying, listen, it's not

691
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Speaker 1: that it can't be done, but we have to do it,

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00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:12,919
Speaker 1: he said drastically differently. Can we also, my I name

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Speaker 1: a Hard Knocks m VP every season? What episode in?

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Speaker 1: It's our friend Carl Nasson, who who is a character

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Speaker 1: I'll put it that way, defensive end who we meet

696
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Speaker 1: him giving a probably unsolicited uh financial tutorial to his

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Speaker 1: fellow defensive lineman that's met with muted response. Let's get

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Speaker 1: a a quick glimpse into uh nassive as a financial

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Speaker 1: guy who here knows what compound interest is. This is

700
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Speaker 1: really financial advisors are everywhere. Okay, don't take your money

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Speaker 1: and they'll take one percent of everything you've got. It's

702
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: one percent of matter because if you learn it yourself,

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Speaker 1: you can make billion hours. We got a lot of

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Speaker 1: money right now, right, this is the easiest equation to

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Speaker 1: nicky rich. You have a million dollars and after seven

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Speaker 1: years of getting ten percent all that money every single year, okay,

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Speaker 1: you're making money off of it, You're gonna double it

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Speaker 1: after seven years. So you double your money every seven

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Speaker 1: years for forty two years, you get sixty four times

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Speaker 1: your original money. So you've got a million dollars. You

711
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Speaker 1: can end up with sixty four million dollars by the

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Speaker 1: time you retire if you don't turn listen, Miles has

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Speaker 1: got thirty billion dollars. Okay, so let's say let's say

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Speaker 1: a billionaire by the time he was actually is the game?

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Speaker 1: So you telling me, bro, it's crazy, I swear to

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Speaker 1: God noon Garrett Stracks fans. Yeah, I learned before the concert,

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Speaker 1: was like, how do you buy a rolling? So she

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Speaker 1: knows that God and that Karl Nas said, oh, that's

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Speaker 1: that's enough. Carl. By the way, our title card knocked

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Speaker 1: this out. If you're watching the video show, but they

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Speaker 1: pan back at one point and I think it's Chris

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Speaker 1: Smith the defensive end is just sitting there quietly a

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Speaker 1: giant plate of muscles. I've never seen anyone do anything

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Speaker 1: close to that before. Uh So Karl Nassa giving advice

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Speaker 1: and said that he when he went to meet Taylor

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Speaker 1: Swift at a concert, I was gonna wear a role

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Speaker 1: by a Rolex to impressor, but said that doesn't fit

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Speaker 1: into my compound interest model. Before I got married, we

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Speaker 1: took a guaranteed. By the way that that Carl doesn't

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Speaker 1: really spell that out, just like, yeah, that's a sound.

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Speaker 1: Look they get they they have the money off the

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Speaker 1: bat number one, but it's like number here's before I

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Speaker 1: got married, we took a financial class where like someone

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Speaker 1: sat you down for like over the course of three weekends.

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Speaker 1: Well it's we obviously not listened very well. Let's put

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Speaker 1: starright there. But they had the exact same lesson. So

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Speaker 1: to Greg's point, these this, Carl Nassa did not cook

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Speaker 1: this up out of thin air. But he's passing her on.

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Speaker 1: Get you in freshman year of high school. I don't

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Speaker 1: remember that in freshman year of high school at all.

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Speaker 1: I mean I was awful with money. Um okay, So

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Speaker 1: there's the first episode recap. We'll be tracking the show,

743
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Speaker 1: of course, as it goes on every Tuesday through September four.

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00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 1: Uh and yes, you could read my Hard Knocks recaps

745
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: at NFL dot com slash handsas Okay. Before we end

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Speaker 1: our Browns conversation, though, it's time for the preseason Spotlight

747
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Speaker 1: presented by New Era. The Browns and Giants kick off

748
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Speaker 1: their respective preseason schedules with the matchup this week. Greg rosenhought,

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Speaker 1: what are you looking forward to out of that game?

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Speaker 1: Two quarters of Baker Mayfield? I mean, Baker Mayfield made

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Speaker 1: a great impression on the show. You certainly saw some

752
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: of great throws. It also reminded me of why Tyrod

753
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: Taylor's there that I do think it was like worth

754
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Speaker 1: sending that draft pick just to have another professional in

755
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Speaker 1: the building, like almost as an example, like that's incalculable

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Speaker 1: for Baker Mayfield. But getting to see how he plays,

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Speaker 1: I mean, like I'm I'm that's the only thing I

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Speaker 1: care about in the pre season. His rookie quarterbacks. I

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Speaker 1: think it's the that's really that, it's that position, but

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Speaker 1: it's also I think you can gauge running backs in

761
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Speaker 1: the preseason too. We've seen that with veterans I think

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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. West mark Ingram got on

763
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Speaker 1: your spotlight early on. It's it's always one or two guys.

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Speaker 1: But how about Sequon Barkley. I just wonder what how

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Speaker 1: much we'll see of him? And he's been talked about,

766
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Speaker 1: is this evolutionary guy that's going to change the position.

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Speaker 1: And that's a lot of pressure, don't I don't really

768
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: care about what happens in in in this game, necessarily

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Speaker 1: for him alone. But you want to see something. You

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00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: want to see some flash of that, some highlight that

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00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 1: comes out that makes us say, yes, the Giants are interesting. Finally,

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Speaker 1: first two picks in the draft, a chance to see

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Speaker 1: both of There you go. Uh. That was preseason Spotlight

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Speaker 1: presented by New Era. All right, let's move on. It's

775
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Speaker 1: time to welcome a guest to the show. Uh. He

776
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: is a NFL reporter based in the UK, host for

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Speaker 1: sky Sports TV, Inside the Huddle podcast, NFL Live UK events.

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Speaker 1: This man is everywhere. He is the NFL and the UK.

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Speaker 1: Neil Reynolds, friend of the show, Welcome to the Around

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Speaker 1: the NFL podcast. Thank you for having me. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm just enjoying my last few weeks of you know,

782
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Speaker 1: kind of being the guy here in the UK, because

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Speaker 1: I hear you guys are on on your way over

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Speaker 1: and that's it'll be all over by then. This has

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Speaker 1: been it's been a concerted effort that's really gone on

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Speaker 1: for several years. How do we take over? And yeah,

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Speaker 1: now we're about to hit like the ground troops are

788
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Speaker 1: hitting the mainland in England. I know, I thought you

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Speaker 1: guys were you know, I had you kind of a

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Speaker 1: safe distance, sort of six thousand miles away from London

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Speaker 1: and I felt comfortable. I thought, I felt okay, you know,

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Speaker 1: every now and then I come to the US and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, we invite you onto the stuff we do

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Speaker 1: a Super Bowls but wow, you're coming to my neck

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Speaker 1: of the wod it's going to be There'll be a

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Speaker 1: lot of fun. I feel like it's it's hard to

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Speaker 1: get much more intimate than right now people listening to

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Speaker 1: this on the audio podcast, but we have you up

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Speaker 1: on video and we're in your kitchen. You have a

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Speaker 1: very nice sink, good mug collection. We've we've seen like

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Speaker 1: I feel like I know a ceramic apparently made by

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Speaker 1: Henry Hodgson according their reports for you, this was this

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Speaker 1: was made by my son, but I think it was.

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Speaker 1: It's a good it's a good sort of seven or

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Speaker 1: eight years old. I have my morning coffee and that

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize you could see all of the think

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Speaker 1: I should have tied it up beforehand. Mrs Renalds an

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Speaker 1: notopy piece. Um so yeah, as as many of your listeners. No,

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Speaker 1: we will be in London for the lead up to

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Speaker 1: week one and uh and through week one, so we're

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Speaker 1: really excited. We're gonna be joining Neil doing stuff with

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Speaker 1: Sky Sports TV while we're there, including a live show

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Speaker 1: and all sorts of fun stuff. Is this is this?

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Speaker 1: Are you comfortable with this? Neil? I'll sign off on it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean it's gonna be great with you. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: we want to make a big deal about the whole

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Speaker 1: week of kick off and big event in London, and

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Speaker 1: to have you guys be a part of it is

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Speaker 1: going to be really really special and for us on

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Speaker 1: on Sky to have you kind of involved all through

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Speaker 1: that that Sunday show will have Rob Brian and Solomon

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Speaker 1: Wilcox in the studio, to have you guys in the

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Speaker 1: studio as well. It's going to be is going to

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Speaker 1: be so much fun. The only problem will be for

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Speaker 1: the following twenty weeks after that, when I've got you

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Speaker 1: just on Skype, it's gonna would have been a bit

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Speaker 1: spoiled a bit early. Well, you would say that now

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Speaker 1: when you guys do your production meetings, you're getting this

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Speaker 1: whole thing together and you're kind of here's the four

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Speaker 1: people coming over, which one of us is talked about,

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Speaker 1: um as you know, someone that might create a bit

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Speaker 1: of a disturbance in the streets, someone that might not

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Speaker 1: fit well into British society. I've I mean, just looking

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Speaker 1: at you guys, I think I think Greg goes in

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Speaker 1: kind of low and hard in his street fights. That's

836
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Speaker 1: the right answer. I think that's the right an. That's fair.

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Speaker 1: So Neil, Yeah, so that's all coming up. We're so excited.

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Speaker 1: But you are also somebody that because you're one of

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Speaker 1: the key guys over at sky when it comes to

840
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Speaker 1: NFL coverage, arguably v Man, Rich Rich Eyes and like

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00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: in your presence over there. You have been. You were

842
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: dispatched to America to cover multiple camps. Uh, and we've

843
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: talked about it before that you visited the Tennessee camp,

844
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Speaker 1: the Chargers camp, the Raiders, and the Seahawks. Do you

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Speaker 1: want to share anything from any of those trips that

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Speaker 1: kind of jumped out to you. I know, you got

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Speaker 1: to talk to quarterbacks, head coaches, they set you up noice. Yeah,

848
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Speaker 1: I mean there's a few things in each of those, so,

849
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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I started off on the in New York.

850
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Speaker 1: I did some interviews at the XFL offices with Oliver Luck,

851
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Speaker 1: and then I flew that night to Nashville. I did

852
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: the Titans on the Friday, the Charges on the Saturday,

853
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: Raiders on the Sunday, and the Seahawks on the Monday.

854
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Speaker 1: So it was from New York to Seattle in in

855
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Speaker 1: five days. But you know, it's just going order. In Nashville,

856
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Speaker 1: I was very impressed with Mike Vrabel, really hands on.

857
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: He kind of puts on the blocking pads and plays

858
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Speaker 1: the part of the blitzing linebacker. I was very impressed

859
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: with him. Great to sit with Philip Rivers in Los Angeles,

860
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: and you know, he talked about how he still plays

861
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: the game and loves the game like he's a ten

862
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: year old. When I sat with Gruden, I thought Gruden

863
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: was just box office. There's certain levels of interviews you

864
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Speaker 1: do in the NFL. I've sat an interview Tom Brady,

865
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: um that felt like that. When I sat down with

866
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Speaker 1: John Gruden, and you know, he was very, very honest,

867
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Speaker 1: I said, why have you got I looked down the

868
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: roster while I'm watching practice. I said, You've got ten

869
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: guys on your roster with ten years or more experience.

870
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: And I said, why is that? Is there a reason

871
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: outside of the fact that they're just good football players?

872
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: And he said, we don't have any players. He said,

873
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: we missed on too many drafts. We don't have any players,

874
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: and we kind of can't wait for rookies, which was

875
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: I thought, quite refreshing and quite honest. And then I

876
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: went to Seattle and obviously they're talking all about the

877
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: fresh start, what's new, and Pete Carroll said, it kind

878
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: of goes in cycles, and it feels fresh. It feels

879
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: like it was four or five years ago. And I

880
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: talked about leaders. I asked about leaders, and he said,

881
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: when you've got Russell Wilson and Doug Baldwin on offense?

882
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 1: What more do you need? And he said on defense?

883
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: When you've got Bobby Wagner and kJ Right on defense,

884
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: what or do you need? And I was dying to

885
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: sgo maybe Earl Thomas, but it was it was an indication.

886
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: It was almost like a sort of very subtle shot

887
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,919
Speaker 1: fired at L Thomas. Do you get the sense though,

888
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: in Seattle, especially because yes it's a new wave and

889
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: a new start, that Pete Carroll is in it for

890
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: the long haul? Because there were whispers over the last

891
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 1: couple of the years that Pete Carroll might be deciding

892
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: to walk away at some point. Is he there for

893
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: another five six years to see this thing through? To me,

894
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: it felt like when you when you look at what

895
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 1: they talk about Pete Carroll's message and if his message

896
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: gets old and we heard the stories of Michael Bennett

897
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: reading books and team meetings and Sherman said they kind

898
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: of lost their way, it felt It felt felt to

899
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: me like you know, they're bringing in all these young

900
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: guys that I mean, Russell Wilson was throwing two players

901
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: on practice field and I'm looking at the roster trying

902
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: to work out who they are, you know it was

903
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: it was a bunch of no names. But Pete was

904
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: very excited to deliver that same message. So either way

905
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: I see that is they're very much committed to Pete

906
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: Carroll and Russell Wilson and they're going to deliver the

907
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: same message to a new bunch of players. You. By

908
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: the way, you mentioned John Gruden, you called him box office.

909
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: Now we're again, we're going to England. I want to

910
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: be up in the know about all like the British

911
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: terms that are popping right now. Is box office me

912
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 1: and kind of like star power. Yeah, okay, if you okay, listen,

913
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: if you want to get all the hip and trendy terms.

914
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: I am not the man to come. We could he

915
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: will tell you, we could. Go ahead. Let me tell

916
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: you John Gruden's story. So my producer Alex Mason, who

917
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: you know from Sky Sport that yeah, he won't appreciate

918
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: me telling you this, but we were, we were chatting,

919
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: chatting with John Gruden. We finished the interview and John

920
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: Gruden asks for some phrases that he can use when

921
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: he's over in England. So I say, let's all go

922
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: for a cup of tea and Alex Mason says, no,

923
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: you need to say, let's go down the pub for

924
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: a point. So Gruden loved that. At the end he

925
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: goes to fist so he fist bumps me and then

926
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: he goes to fist bump Alex Mason as well. He

927
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: got completely flustered, so he shook the hand. Honestly, couldn't

928
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: have been more englishmen aboard. That's brutal. That's you're never

929
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: going to get that moment back, like that was it?

930
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: You know, he and he kind of, you know, we

931
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: sort of practiced afterwards, but it was ever is that

932
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: you practice. It's not that he messed it up. It's

933
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 1: that you practiced it after the factors among the I

934
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: found and it's not the same. But like if you

935
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 1: are it worked for the NFL if you're hanging out

936
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: with maybe you're with a couple of different people on

937
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: the NFL network side and a player, and then the

938
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: player gives maybe a colleague colleague who's a former player,

939
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: like the three step bro handshake hug, and then you

940
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: roll in like the nerdy white journalist guy and you

941
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: you you're caught in between. And I just going hard

942
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: and stiff with that because I don't want to get

943
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: it get into the waters of the triple step shake

944
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: because I know I won't be able to pull it off. Yeah, no,

945
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: it is. And I know there's the first bit of

946
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: the handshake and then you kind of go to that

947
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: bit and then I never know the third bit, so

948
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 1: I just do that bit and then kind of meander

949
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 1: off to the side. But you know, the fifth bump

950
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: was a new one for box Office. Wow, Like Neil

951
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: is box Office by the way, no doubt, that's the

952
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: way we look at it. There was a lot of

953
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,439
Speaker 1: football talk as well, but you know, we just will

954
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: focus in on the handshakes. And I have a question

955
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: about London. You know we've heard over the last few

956
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 1: years that this Saturday fan fest before the game's over,

957
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 1: there get like five hundred thousand people. Is that true.

958
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: It's like you get nervous. I'm impressed, like five thousand

959
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: people in one space. Well for our listeners, but before

960
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: we're asking you, like just to give some background. You've

961
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: been working at growing the sport of American football in

962
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: in the UK for how long, Like you've been helping

963
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 1: to run the NFL UK. You also, you know, used

964
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 1: to work for Henry Hudson way back in the day

965
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: you you also published a magazine Like, however, how long

966
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: has that process been, like, how has it changed in

967
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 1: that entire span? Yes, so, I mean I started covering

968
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: the the NFL full time in and I worked for

969
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: NFL Europe from two thousand to two thousand and six.

970
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: That there were some dark days around the time when

971
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: NFL Europe was being played in London in the late nineties.

972
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: We would be five minutes from kickoff a game in

973
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: Crystal Palace and they'll be like a thousand people in

974
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: there and you've got Kurt Warner on the field warming up.

975
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 1: So as it's grown ridiculously, I mean back then, I

976
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: would never have believed we could have what we've got

977
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: now three games a year this year, four games per

978
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: year in previous seasons. There are a generation of fans

979
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: over the last decade who only know regular season games

980
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: being played in London. I saw the other side of it,

981
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: the darker side of it. Um So every time i'm

982
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: I'm always so appreciative of that opportunity to be in

983
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: front of all of those fans when they take over

984
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 1: Regent Street or Piccadilli. This time when they're out of

985
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: the tailgate parties. We have come a long way and

986
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:26,280
Speaker 1: you know, no shameless plug. I'm glad you mentioned the magazine. Alright,

987
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: great Gridiron magazine, Neil. Back in the day, during these

988
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: dark days when Kurt Warner was playing in front of

989
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: eight n people. Were you living in this posh house

990
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: in this next are you? Were you more like living

991
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: like youth hostel? Youth? It looks beautiful? I mean, were

992
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: you just were you? Were you camped out in like

993
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,879
Speaker 1: youth hostels and low rent sort of motel rooms, trying

994
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: to just get by as a British football journalist, kind

995
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: of a rugged lifestart, like to read a novello about

996
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 1: that phone novel like maybe, yeah, we're already got silly

997
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: with it. I actually lived just around the corner, but

998
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: about fifty yards around the corner, but I kind of

999
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 1: I can reveal it was a much smaller house. You

1000
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: should be aware that it's Mark's ultimate dream to live

1001
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 1: in a youth hostile full time, so that that informs

1002
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:17,359
Speaker 1: that question a little bit. All right, Neil, Neil, thank

1003
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: you for joining us. We're so excited, uh to bring

1004
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: our show to your shore as it's really something We've

1005
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,399
Speaker 1: been trying to do for years and I know you

1006
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 1: and everybody over there who has helped us. We're really excited,

1007
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: so thank you so much. And you could follow Neil

1008
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: on Twitter at Neil Reynolds NFL and UM and of

1009
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 1: course sky Sports TV is gonna have if you're on

1010
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 1: that side of the pond, you know that's where you

1011
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: go for NFL coverage. So thank you, Neil, Thanks Neal,

1012
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: you guys, I'll see you in build up to Week one.

1013
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: There he goes Neil Reynolds of Sky Sports and all

1014
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: other endeavors football related in the UK. We will be

1015
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: back on Friday with another episode of the Around the

1016
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 1: NFL podcast. So much more to get to Mark, because

1017
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: we are grinding now. It is what I do. One

1018
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: little shout out, one little shout out. I believe I

1019
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: found a family member that I not did not know

1020
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: about out in the middle of Illinois. Founder on Twitter

1021
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: Kalas Sessler, and she is a star on Teen Mom

1022
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: Too on MTV. I'm a very young teen woman that

1023
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,720
Speaker 1: has a child named Isaiah, So a young teen woman.

1024
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 1: She's on MTV Teen Mom Too. So this isn't the

1025
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: daughter that you occasionally see at a random bar in

1026
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: Los Angele. No, it's not, that's not it's not my

1027
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: lost daughter. It's actually it's a separate individual. No, this

1028
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,720
Speaker 1: is I actually cross checked this with Rika tam Posey,

1029
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: who has seen the show and uh is unsure, but

1030
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: potentially has seen this individual as well. Maybe we could

1031
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: effort Lindsay, We could effort to get Lindsay Cessler on

1032
00:53:55,600 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: the show. Uh Kaylessesler. I'm sorry to disrespect it, Emily,

1033
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: remember just saying it's out there and it's you know,

1034
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 1: maybe she could use help teen moms they can, That's

1035
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,919
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. There might be unnecessary financial help. Maybe

1036
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: you give up that back shed. If she's on TV,

1037
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 1: then it's gonna be the other way around. Okay, maybe

1038
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: maybe not talking to Bitcoin princess over here, so you

1039
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 1: might be right, you do. That's as a good producer should.

1040
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 1: All right, let's go. This is Dan hands As signing

1041
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: off for the Quiet Storm, the Mailman, the Old Boss,

1042
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: and the Bitcoin Princess. Maybe behind the glass. Not bad

1043
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: at all. Until Friday t