1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:01,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to Games of Names. 2 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 2: I'm Julian Edelman, and we got a brand new compilation, 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 2: Highlight Real, starting now. 4 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,399 Speaker 3: Now. Bill Burr and Julian Edelman share their favorite Lawrence 5 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 3: Taylor stories. 6 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:14,319 Speaker 4: Did you see that recent one? 7 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 5: Let Lawrence Taylor drove by Giants Stadium, he saw the 8 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 5: lights on him and he's like, oh fuck, I had 9 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 5: a game, yeah, and showed up in the first quarter. 10 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: He showed up late. 11 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 2: They benched him for a series and then he went 12 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 2: out and I think he had like seven sacks. 13 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 4: All right, I'm gonna tell a story. 14 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 5: Okay, I don't feel like I'm talking out out of 15 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 5: school here, because this is this is uh, this is 16 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 5: a funny story. So I'm doing inside the NFL. Phil 17 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 5: Simms is on the show and Lawrence Taylor is coming in. 18 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 5: So it's Phil, Chris Collinsworth, Lawrence Taylor, and me. Right, 19 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 5: I mean one of those classic like what in the 20 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 5: hell am I doing here? 21 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 6: Right? 22 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 5: So Lawrence hasn't showed up yet, so Phil tells me 23 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 5: a story. I can't believe Lawrence Taylor is gonna be here. 24 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 5: I mean, that guy was. He's just like he literally 25 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 5: changed game and I was just going on and on 26 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 5: about him. He goes, you know what's funny about that guy? 27 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 5: He goes, he didn't even know the names of the 28 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 5: teams in the leagues. I go, get the fuck out 29 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 5: of here. He goes, yeah, he goes. One time, he goes, 30 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 5: we were we won some game. They were on the road, 31 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 5: and they're on the team plane. They're all hyped and 32 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 5: Lawrence is psyched. And Phil goes, yeah, hey, man, you know, 33 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 5: if the Redskins lose, then we're going to be in 34 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 5: first place in our division. 35 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 4: And Lawrence goes, uh oh, yeah. 36 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: He goes. 37 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 4: He goes, who's in our division? And Phil goes, you 38 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 4: don't know who's in our division? And he goes, man, 39 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 4: I don't. 40 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 5: Give a shit, right, And I'm thinking, like, that is 41 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 5: the genius that he held him. Let's say, I don't 42 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 5: need extra information in my head. You have a different 43 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 5: uniform than me, I'm going to ruin your day. So 44 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 5: I thought it was a hilarious story. But as always, 45 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:44,639 Speaker 5: you know, you think maybe he put a little mustard 46 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 5: on it or whatever. Ten minutes later, Lawrence Taylor comes 47 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 5: walking in. Him and Phil both just start laughing, which 48 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 5: was great. They just saw each other. They start laughing, 49 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 5: they hugged and everything. You just know all the shit 50 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 5: that they did back then. Who knows, right, So Lawrence 51 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 5: sits down and he starts telling stories, right, They just 52 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 5: start telling things. And in the middle of one story 53 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 5: goes me, he goes, we were down in UH, down 54 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 5: in New Orleans. Then we would playing the UH And 55 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 5: he goes, Phil, what's the name of that team in 56 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 5: New Orleans? And he goes to the Saints. He goes, 57 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 5: you're play in the Saints. It was unbelievable. And then 58 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 5: fat sports writers would would would say that, you know, 59 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 5: they would say that he wasn't smart. He was blah blah. 60 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 5: It's like that's like some Einstein shit. I'm wearing the 61 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 5: same shit every day, so my brain doesn't I only 62 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 5: need to worry about like you know, you hear all 63 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 5: those stories how he would sleep through meetings and then 64 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 5: get up and diagram the whole play or they would 65 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 5: ask him if it was okay. 66 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 4: The guy is like a fucking genius. Genius. 67 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 5: But the fact that he didn't even know, like the 68 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 5: fact that he's almost like a housewife in the level 69 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 5: that he doesn't know the names of the teams. Yet 70 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 5: he's the most alpha dominating player that I ever saw. 71 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 5: But you know why he seems like he fell out 72 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:57,399 Speaker 5: of the sky is because his favorite player was Hollywood Henderson. Yeah, 73 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 5: and he was sort of he was like Llywood Henderson 74 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 5: was the gap as far as the linebacking position between 75 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 5: like you know, Dick Buckis in that era and him. 76 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 4: He came and it looked like he was an alien. 77 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 5: It was because unfortunately, Hollywood Henderson had like substance abuse 78 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 5: problems and it affected his career. But one of the 79 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 5: greatest play another underrated play nineteen seventy six. The Steelers 80 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,839 Speaker 5: are playing the Cowboys and the Steelers kick off. 81 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 4: Guess who receives it. Hollywood Henderson. 82 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 5: They had a linebacker receiving their kick in nineteen seventy 83 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 5: six like that that just didn't happen, And he took 84 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 5: it all the way down the field to like they're 85 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 5: forty five and Roy Jirella, their kicker, just sort of 86 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 5: dove like that and his linebacker knee hit his ribs, 87 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 5: broke them, yeah, and fucked him up for the game. 88 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 5: And it's a really hard game to watch if you're 89 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 5: a Cowboys fan, because they were they were running reverses. 90 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 4: I think that's what it was. 91 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 5: It was a reverse on the on the kickoff, and 92 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 5: they were doing all of this shit, and then they 93 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 5: got up and then they just sat on the ball 94 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 5: and the Steel kept playing and then they came back 95 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 5: and beat them. 96 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 2: Man, how does it feel to be that old to 97 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 2: remember a nineteen seventy six game that great? 98 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 4: I watched it on YouTube. The first one I watched 99 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 4: was seventy eight. 100 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: What's the first game you remember watching? 101 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 5: You know, some OJ Simpson was playing in like the 102 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 5: early seventies, and my Yeah, my dad's screaming at the 103 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,359 Speaker 5: TV or something. 104 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 4: My grandfather going, uh, you know, he's the old days. 105 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 5: He's like packing a pipe to smoke it inside? 106 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 1: Is he? Sherlock Holmes? 107 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 4: Fucking No, old men smoked pipe? And I gotta be 108 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 4: honest with you to this. 109 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 5: Both my grandfathers smoked pipes, And to this day if 110 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 5: I smell pipe smoke, it puts me in like the 111 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 5: greatest mood because both my grand grandfathers with these amazing 112 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 5: like guys guys. Yeah, So that was probably the first one. 113 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 5: But I've also like gone back and like I've watched 114 00:04:55,360 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 5: all of this history of the NFL, and I'll tell 115 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 5: you a great guy, and he just passed away unfortunately, 116 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 5: and in the NFL never gave him his due. Was 117 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 5: this guy, Marlin Briscosco. He played for the Broncos, black quarterback. 118 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 5: They drafted him. He was like second or third string 119 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 5: or something like that, and both white quarterbacks go down. 120 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 4: This is like the late sixties. 121 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 5: And he goes in and you immediately see the modern 122 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 5: modern day NFL. It wasn't just standing there throwing like that. 123 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 5: He was all over the field more Randall Cunningham, I 124 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 5: would say, than Michael Vick. And he won like six 125 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 5: of the last seven games something crazy. And then you 126 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 5: know they didn't make the playoffs because they were having 127 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 5: a bad season before he got in there. And then 128 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 5: the next season the team just drafted another high rank 129 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 5: white guy and they shipped him off the Buffalo and 130 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 5: he finished his career as a wide receiver. 131 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, sounds like the sixties. 132 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 5: Well this is what the sixties it sounded like right 133 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 5: through the nineties. I feel, yeah, yeah, I guess so 134 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 5: that's what like, this is like all of this shit 135 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 5: that I can was so fucked up as I can 136 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 5: remember all of that stuff. And I think because I 137 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 5: looked at the football cards and I remember all the names, 138 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 5: and then I also went back and I was fascinated, 139 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 5: like what happened right before I started watching football and 140 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 5: then today's game. Like if you know you age out 141 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 5: as a player, I also feel you can age out 142 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:23,119 Speaker 5: as a as a fan. 143 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 4: And like how certain. 144 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 5: Teams like they sort of aged out when during like 145 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 5: free agency, because their whole thing was the draft and 146 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 5: their scouts, and then when the game became more free agency, 147 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 5: they didn't adjust. I would say as a fan that 148 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 5: the fan version of that is I didn't get involved 149 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 5: in fantasy football. Yeah, so now I don't know the 150 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 5: player's name, I don't know what's going on. And then 151 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 5: like I also feel like they kind of sold their 152 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 5: souls all professional sports for offense because they had reached 153 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 5: maximum density with sports fans, and then offense gets the 154 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 5: actual fan. 155 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 7: Yeah. 156 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 5: And I think that they are envious of the UFC 157 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 5: to see them start so much later than them but 158 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 5: then go global. But there's something about soccer football whatever 159 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 5: and uh and fighting it just transcends all borders and 160 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 5: all that, which I find uh like really fascinating, not fighting, 161 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 5: because fighting, you know, it's like I remember Joe Rogan 162 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 5: telling this story saying, like, you know, if you're driving 163 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 5: on the street and there's two people playing you know, 164 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 5: catch or whatever, playing base, you know you're not going 165 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 5: to really watch because but if you drive down the 166 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 5: street and you see. 167 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 4: A fight, like you you got to watch it. And 168 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 4: it was sort of. 169 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 5: Like this really yeah, easy way of explaining how their 170 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 5: thing got as big as it dig And I don't 171 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 5: know what it is about soccer, but everybody seems to 172 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 5: it seems to enjoy it. 173 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: Because all you need is a ball. 174 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 4: Say that about hoop, I guess you need you need 175 00:07:58,160 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 4: a basketball. 176 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: Basketball is also very global. Yeah, okay, you know what 177 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: I mean. 178 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, So your point about like how football is kind 179 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 3: of change and involved and got sold and sold for offense 180 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 3: is a conversation we have behind the scenes on this. 181 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 2: Show a lot, because we go watch eighty five game, 182 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 2: we watch a game from the early two thousands and 183 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 2: the game is so different. 184 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, you don't even want to hear my conspiracy theory. 185 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 5: Like my conspiracy theory right now is is the NFL 186 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 5: is in a bad place because they only have one 187 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 5: great quarterback. True, as far as like there's always been 188 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 5: braiding Brady Manning. You know, uh what about Lway Marino quarterback? 189 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: So Mahomes. 190 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 5: Mahomes is the guy that sells the tickets. I'm not 191 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 5: saying this, not like great talent at that position, but 192 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 5: nobody has put up sort of like he doesn't have 193 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 5: his you know, Hatfield and McCoy guy, so it's sort 194 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 5: of their own. The only storyline they have right now 195 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 5: is Canny three pete. So that's why, like the ridiculous 196 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 5: that guy took his helmet off from the fucking end zone. 197 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 5: The rep says, put it back on. I mean it's 198 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 5: just like he's like, you realize this is televised, right, Like, 199 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 5: what are we doing here? 200 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: So you know that's a penalty supposed to be a penalty. 201 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 8: Take your helmet off. It's fifteen. 202 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 3: Next, Terry Bradshaw relives one of his craziest fights during practice. 203 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:17,199 Speaker 7: Why in practice one day I threw a pass and 204 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 7: for some reason he man at John Kober or something. 205 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 9: He came through and. 206 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 7: He decked me, knocked me back over as kettle helmet 207 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 7: flew off. 208 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 9: Practice practice and then we practiced in full pash. 209 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 7: I found the football and I got off boom through 210 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 7: it I've tried to kill him. Nobody Chuck knows. He's 211 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 7: probably he didn't mind it, but I have to shit 212 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 7: knocked out of me. 213 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 1: Boss pissed. 214 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 7: He came over and I said, let me tell you something, 215 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 7: mad Dog. You may lose with me, but you'll never 216 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 7: win without me. You got that. And I walked over 217 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 7: a steaming I took my helmet off. Y'all sit on 218 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 7: your helmets and practice, and we did. I said on 219 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 7: my helmet, I'm over there and none. I'm mad because 220 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 7: nobody got in a fight. Nobody fought for me. 221 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 9: Maybe that's it. 222 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: Nobody gave me shit. I don't know. 223 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 7: When I'm over by myself and here comes mad Dog. 224 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,199 Speaker 9: He comes over and he kind of had that high pitch. 225 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 3: What were that guy? 226 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: Give me that saying? 227 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 9: What was that saying? What are you talking about? 228 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 4: You know what that saying? 229 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 8: You threw it about? 230 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: What you said? What what was that? You said? 231 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 4: Huh? 232 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 9: And he had his tooth missing, and I said, I 233 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 9: don't know what. 234 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: You're talking you. 235 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 7: You said, tom Bob, we're gonna win, may lose, I said, 236 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,959 Speaker 7: And I got to thinking, what did I say? And 237 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,719 Speaker 7: so he sat down the next thing I know it's like, hey, 238 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 7: pull up a chair, pull up a helmet. So we 239 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 7: started going, Okay, you knocked me down. I got pissed. 240 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 7: I hit you with the football. You came at me. 241 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 7: I pointed at you. 242 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 9: And what did I say? 243 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 7: He said something about you're gonna win with me. I said, 244 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 7: oh no, no, no, you may. 245 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: Lose with me. 246 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 9: Yeah that's it. 247 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you're gonna lose with me. 248 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 9: No, I'm not gonna lose with you. 249 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 4: You may lose with me. 250 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 7: Then what we said, and it took us thirty minutes, 251 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 7: but you'll never win with but that's it. 252 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Oh I like that. I like that. I said, well, 253 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: I like it too. 254 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 4: That's an original. 255 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 7: Yeah, And to this day that was always of course 256 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 7: he passed away. God bless Joe Green will say Lombamber said, 257 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 7: you may lose with me, but you'll never win without me. 258 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 9: Now that kind of became the theme of their defense. 259 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 9: They used to use it all the time. 260 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: You know what is that not football? 261 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 8: Right there? 262 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 7: So good? 263 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: You guys get in a fight. 264 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 9: Yeah you want to fight, hold it on that no. 265 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 1: Fight or you guys, there's something that happen. 266 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 9: There's a disagreement. 267 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 2: That same thing happened to me and uh Gilmore. Remember 268 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 2: Stefan Gilmour, We just signed him, We just signed them, 269 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 2: and I was pissed. They gave him fourteen million dollars. 270 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 2: I'm over here, you know, we just want a super Bowl. 271 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 2: We're on our second you know, we got super bowls? 272 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 2: Like they paid this guy fourteen million dollars. 273 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 9: Been routing over how many years? 274 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: It was fourteen a year? What? 275 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 8: Yeah? 276 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 2: When Stefan and Gilmore came to the Pats, he was 277 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 2: the highest paid corner, which he's a He was a 278 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 2: fucking stud and made me a lot better. But I 279 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 2: was pissed the first day he came in. He was 280 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 2: a buffalo bill. 281 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: You know. 282 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 2: I wanted to show him first day of pads, this 283 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 2: is how we fucking practice here. He kind of hems 284 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 2: me up on a flag route. We get into it, 285 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 2: I take his helmet off. I started punching him. Belichick goes, 286 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 2: you too, get the fuck off the field. 287 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: Hit the showers, really, so we have to. It's first 288 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: day of pads. You gotta go shower with the guy. 289 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: So it was the first fucking period, Uncle Terry. 290 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 8: It was the first period. 291 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 7: I didn't a water hose outside. 292 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 2: But just like you and your teammate, you guys were, 293 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 2: we start walking back and we're pissed off at each other, 294 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, you know, we get into 295 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 2: the locker. 296 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: Room and yeah, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 297 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 8: Yeah. 298 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: It's one of those things. 299 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 2: Where when you go back out to practice because they 300 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 2: told us to get out, which was the best. 301 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: If I would have known that, I would have done 302 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: that so many more times. 303 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 2: Get out of practice, training, camp, practice, first day. 304 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: At Pat's, get the fucking I started doing that. I 305 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: got smartened up. 306 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 3: Next, Bill O'Brien recounts his infamous sideline argument with Tom Brady. 307 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 10: You know, that was a cool night for my family, 308 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 10: and to have the opportunity to coach, you know, obviously 309 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 10: what we believe is the greatest quarterback of all time. 310 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 10: When he when he first he was out on the 311 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 10: West Coast and he came back for OTAs that year. 312 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 8: Nine, the year, the year. 313 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 10: Yeah, I'll never forget this. He came in my office 314 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 10: he said, look, I want to be coached. He's like, look, 315 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 10: I don't don't waste my time, but I want to 316 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 10: be coached. And he was right about that, and I 317 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 10: learned a lot about, you know, how he wanted to 318 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 10: be coached, what he wanted to know. Like I can 319 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 10: remember one of my meetings. I was so prepared. I 320 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 10: had this like book of like computer reports, and I 321 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 10: gave him this. I'm like, Tom, look at this book, 322 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 10: you know, and he's like, what is this. I want 323 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 10: one sheet. I want one sheet that tells me boom 324 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 10: boom boom, first, second down, third down, boom, fronts, pressures, 325 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 10: red area, backed up to. 326 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 8: You know, the whole thing. And I was like, oh 327 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 8: my god. 328 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 10: So but from that point I did the one sheet 329 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 10: and I used that one sheet to this day for 330 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 10: quarterbacks because he wanted to be able to think quickly. 331 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 10: He didn't want a big computer report. 332 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 8: He was a. 333 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 10: Guy that if you showed him that you could work 334 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 10: with him like you you could take in his input 335 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,479 Speaker 10: and show him that you could work together to formulate 336 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 10: a really good offense, like then you were going to 337 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 10: have a great relationship. And I think that's why he 338 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 10: and I got along so well, because we had our 339 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 10: ideas and then he would come in on Tuesdays with 340 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 10: his ideas and we would put those ideas into with ours, 341 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 10: and you know, I would put it all together and 342 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 10: then each night I would have to email. 343 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 8: It to him. 344 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 10: And so I don't know if Josh. I think Josh 345 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 10: probably do the same thing. But like, you know, he 346 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 10: went to bed early. So if it was like, you know, 347 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 10: Tuesday night for Wednesday morning, here's the game plan by 348 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 10: eight pm, here's the game plan for third down by 349 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 10: eight pm on Wednesday, you know red area eight pm 350 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 10: on Thursday. 351 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 8: You know what I mean, for the next day. 352 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 10: But that forced you to work, get your work done 353 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 10: and be prepared. And then he would email back with Hey, 354 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 10: I love this play. I love this play. I don't 355 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 10: really like this play. Hey what do you think about 356 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 10: this play? And it was just that type of relationship, 357 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 10: you know, and coaching him was it was awesome. 358 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 2: That's really cool to hear, you know. And people don't 359 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 2: realize Tom loves being coached. I mean, Billy Oh was 360 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 2: probably so overwhelmed jumping into that thing, because when I 361 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 2: got there, they are like, they already had three Super Bowls, 362 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 2: they were already the Patriots, and that was like and 363 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 2: I remember seeing him throw for the first day and 364 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 2: I was like, man, this is mofuckering throw. 365 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 8: He's a beautiful site, you know what. 366 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 2: I mean when he was throwing that he threw through 367 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 2: a two hole shot to Randy or something and Randy 368 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 2: late handed like and like didn't even have his button 369 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 2: chin trap and buckled like and it just they look 370 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 2: like they look like pro A one. And to hear 371 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 2: that he'd liked to be coached is awesome. I mean 372 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 2: to the point where you coach where you guys are 373 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 2: damn near fish fighting on the sidelines, you know, Billy, Oh, 374 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 2: can we get into that? 375 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 8: What happened there? No? Hold on now, I mean you 376 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 8: were at practice. 377 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 10: You know how practices are once again going back to 378 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 10: you're really like brothers. 379 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 8: Yeah, you really are with your with your assistant coaches. 380 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: Sometimes you just want to slap the ship out of 381 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: your brother exactly. 382 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 10: So like you know, you can remember practices like I 383 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 10: when when Bill would you know, make us use the 384 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 10: headsets or whatever, or we wanted to use the headsets 385 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 10: to practice for the game, and so you know, I'd 386 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 10: be pressing the button and it wouldn't be like it 387 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 10: would be screwed up, and maybe I'd be yelling at 388 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 10: Donnie Brocher and Tom would be out on the field. 389 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 8: Like you gotta press the button. You're not pressing the button. 390 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 8: You're not pressing the button. 391 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 10: I took the whole thing and like remember that day 392 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 10: and threw it at him. I'm like, you've pressed the button. 393 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 10: I'm pressing the button and thing's broken. 394 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 8: You know. So these little fights. 395 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 10: They went to the inn. Remember then they went to 396 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 10: Milwaukee talk. But I mean, these little things would come up. 397 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 10: And so in that game, we Dion had gotten hurt, 398 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 10: and like leading up to that game late in the 399 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 10: week and we signed Taekwon Underwood, who now is like. 400 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 8: The receiver or the receivers now. 401 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,199 Speaker 10: We signed him late in the week and we were 402 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 10: driving the ball and somebody else got hurt. So Taekwon 403 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 10: had to go in and we ran Branch and he 404 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 10: had the incut. He was the X and he didn't 405 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 10: run a great incut. He kind of faded and uh, 406 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 10: Josh what's his name in the corner for the Redskins 407 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 10: undercut it. 408 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 8: Tom kind of looped it in there. 409 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 10: So we come over to the sideline and Tom's you know, 410 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,640 Speaker 10: ripping Taekwon and I can't remember Wes like all right, man, 411 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 10: like let's move on, like we you know, basically like 412 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 10: we we all just got to move on. 413 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 2: Well, we were frustrated because we weren't moving the ball 414 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 2: all that game, Like there's a lot of shit that 415 00:17:58,960 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 2: goes up and on the side of. 416 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 10: So then it just became I don't want to get 417 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 10: into all that was said, but like, hey, Tom, like 418 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 10: basically like you need to shut the f up. We 419 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 10: got to move on now because Grossman's driving the ball. 420 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 10: We're gonna possibly go to overtime. And you remember who 421 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 10: intercepted the pass to end the game was Mayo. 422 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was playing defense, so. 423 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 8: But anyway, so he said, you want me to shut 424 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 8: you shut? 425 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 10: And then it was just like to fifteen year olders, 426 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 10: like just yelling shut the f up, back and forth 427 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 10: to each other. 428 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 8: Came over. 429 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 2: I'll tell you right now, that was the brilliance of 430 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 2: Billy Oh, because he liked the fire guys up. And 431 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 2: we all knew Tom liked to be fired up, because 432 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 2: we all know Tom plays better pissed off. 433 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: Like that's the that's the truth. 434 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,640 Speaker 2: And you know there's a lot of those Jedi mind 435 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 2: tricks that I think that happened over there to piss 436 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 2: him off because he played better pissed off. 437 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, we it didn't you know, you remember 438 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: the next day. 439 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 8: One happens. 440 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 2: It happens over game day is like a battle day. 441 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 2: And I don't like making the comparison to the guys 442 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 2: that do it. But you know, ship happens next day. 443 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 8: You don't. 444 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 1: You go, you see him at the coffee line? 445 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 8: How was your how's the wife? You don't even remember? Remember? 446 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 3: Next up Vernon Davis on what it was like playing 447 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 3: with Peyton Manning. 448 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 8: You played with Peyton? Yeah? How was that? 449 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 1: You want a super Bowl with them? Peyton was awesome? 450 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 2: What was What was the biggest difference between Peyton and 451 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 2: all the other quarterbacks you played with? 452 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 11: The one thing that stood out with Peyton was that 453 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 11: when I was sitting at that meeting for the first time, 454 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 11: and I mean he just kind of just took over 455 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:43,640 Speaker 11: the took over the room. Normally you have the see 456 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 11: off offensive coordinator, you know, install the plays, go over everything. 457 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 11: But Peyton was the one who stood up like a general. 458 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 11: That was that was pretty phenomenal to me. I've never 459 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 11: seen anything like it. And I played with some awesome quarterbacks, 460 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 11: but he was just he was just different. 461 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 8: Man. 462 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: He was he was just different. 463 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 8: Was he going over like? 464 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: Was he given coaching points to the line, like. 465 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 2: All right, guys on this oki front, We're gonna slide 466 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 2: you guys this way. 467 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: Hey, receivers, if these two guys come, you know, I 468 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: need you to break a hot route. Is he breaking 469 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 1: down play for plays? He was? 470 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,239 Speaker 11: Probably There was probably a correlation between him and hit 471 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 11: him and Tom everything Tom did. You probably see the 472 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 11: same thing in Peyton. If you look at their careers 473 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 11: and who they how they their longevity, everything that they 474 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 11: stood for, and just their their records, everything that they did, 475 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 11: from all their accolades, everything, they are identical. 476 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: They're just pro quarter there. 477 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 8: They're pro quarterbacks. 478 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 11: It's just different. It's different, man, everybody's different. Man, Like 479 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 11: you will never see another Michael Jordan. Yeah, it's gonna 480 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 11: be years before we see that. Yeah, you know, well 481 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 11: it's gonna be years before we see Tom Brady and 482 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 11: Peyton Manning. They're just they that's just who they are. 483 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, the prep and the mentality and yeah, the killer instinct, 484 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 2: the people's skills of leadership. 485 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: There's a lot that goes into it. That's a tough man. 486 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:15,360 Speaker 11: They're probably the people I think people might when they 487 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 11: look at it, they look at the team, and they 488 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 11: look at the game. 489 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: They might they might say, oh, okay, well I'm going 490 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:21,360 Speaker 1: to go to the defense. 491 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 11: Maybe maybe uh you know, Patrick Willis is the toughest 492 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 11: guy in the field. Maybe it's Von Miller. They're going 493 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 11: to pick those guys. But they don't know. They don't 494 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 11: they're not out there. They don't see what's going on. 495 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 11: But those quarterbacks, guys like Tom Brady and Peyton Manning, 496 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 11: those guys, you can talk to them if you want. 497 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 11: They're tough. They're just as tough as the guy that 498 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 11: got on defense. 499 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 8: Yeah, without a doubt. 500 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 2: And it's not just the physical toughness, it's the mental tough. 501 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 1: Mental that inside of here. 502 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 11: They know exactly what they're about to do before they 503 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 11: even walk out on the field. 504 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 8: I love. 505 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 11: It's a thing called visualization, and some of the greatest players, 506 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 11: like yourself, we know exactly what that is. We see 507 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 11: everything that we're doing before it even happens. We manifest 508 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 11: that one hundred and fifty one hundred and seventy yard 509 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 11: game that we're about to go have yea manifested. 510 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 8: You know. 511 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 2: It's so repetitive, and it goes into the prep process 512 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 2: for the football player, at least for me. You do 513 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 2: the drill that translates to the team, the team that 514 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 2: translates to this, and you do it so many times 515 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 2: and you study it on film, by the time you 516 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 2: do it in the game, is deja vu exactly. 517 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 1: That's the difference between great, being great and being good. 518 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 8: Yeah. 519 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 11: The good players they don't know how to manifest it. 520 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 11: They don't know how to visualize. But the great players 521 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 11: they know, they know the essence of visualization. That's what 522 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 11: they know. They see it before. That's why the game 523 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,239 Speaker 11: is so slow. Man, you ever had a there's been 524 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 11: game you can probably attest to this. We've all been 525 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 11: the great players. 526 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 1: You know. 527 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:46,959 Speaker 11: I'm not calling them out. I don't like to talk 528 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 11: about myself, but the game is so slow. It feels 529 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 11: like you can run around the whole field and everybody's still 530 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 11: standing still. Everything, every catch, every play. I mean I 531 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 11: would have games where I well, I go to the coach, 532 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 11: I say, coach, your body cannot stop me. And I 533 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 11: really mean it from deep down inside, because the game 534 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 11: is so slow. To me, it's like everybody's moving in 535 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 11: slow motion. I'm moving so fast. I can catch, I 536 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 11: can do the biggest games that I've had one hundred 537 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 11: and eighty yards to you know, two touchdowns. You know 538 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 11: those games are the games that were really slow to me. 539 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, you were in the zone, the zone. I've felt 540 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,479 Speaker 2: that a few times. I felt periods of it throughout 541 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 2: the game. There's only been maybe two games, and one 542 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 2: was in the Super Bowl against the Rams or I 543 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 2: was in the zone where everything you did worked. 544 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 11: And you know that the biggest and every time that 545 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 11: you didn't feel it, Yeah, you just didn't. Your mind 546 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 11: didn't top to the space to let you know that 547 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 11: that's what was going on. It was there, it was there, 548 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 11: but just couldn't. It takes a certain moment or a 549 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 11: certain time for you to really like, I don't know 550 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 11: what it is, like you said to me, I've only 551 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 11: felt it three two to three times and my whole career, 552 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 11: but you've been there for a whole game. You can't 553 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 11: get there unless you're in that state. You can't have 554 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 11: those type of performances unless you're in that state. But 555 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 11: it's something is letting you know, it's opening it up 556 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 11: your mind to say, this is what's happening right now. 557 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is what's happening. It's an amazing feeling. 558 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 2: It is it is It's like it's like that scene 559 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 2: in Caddy Shack where it's raining the guys played his 560 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 2: best game, but golf ever, he. 561 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: Letting that thing go. There's light and he's gonna get struck. 562 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter you're having it's just going right. It's 563 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: just going right now. 564 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 3: Howie Long talks about the legendary Al Davis. 565 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 2: Bill used to whenever we played the Raiders, he'd give 566 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 2: a he'd always give like a history lesson on the 567 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 2: team and the foundation and you know how the owner 568 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 2: got the team and Al Davis being a coach shoe 569 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 2: the league. We give us a whole presentation on it. 570 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 2: He loved Al Davis and a lot of people. The 571 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 2: whole do your job thing was Al Davis That set 572 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 2: it to Parcels, Like after something Parcells was complaining or 573 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 2: something about what was going on, and I guess al 574 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 2: Davis just said, just do your job. And that's where 575 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,959 Speaker 2: it was pretty simple to say it to, you know, 576 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 2: the team. And then Bill took it up, and so 577 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 2: to do your job came from Al David. 578 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,360 Speaker 8: Just win, Just do your job. 579 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 6: You could put those on T shirts, you know, yeah, 580 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 6: just win babies, baby. Yeah, he'd said, oh, fuck, how 581 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 6: it Howard? He called me Howard. Oh fuck, you think 582 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,199 Speaker 6: it's tough. I'm like this kind of think he can 583 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 6: get my ass. He was really I call him mister Davis. 584 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 6: I mean part of it's my upbringing, you know. I 585 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 6: mean I never had that. I only got called up 586 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 6: there maybe once or twice. 587 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:37,479 Speaker 8: You know. 588 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 6: One was a contract and we did that over the phone, 589 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 6: but the other was a fight. I got in and 590 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 6: it got bad, and you know, he just told me 591 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 6: not to beat him by as. 592 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: Was he always around? Was he in the building every. 593 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 6: Day, on the field every day. He had a cologne 594 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 6: that you could smell him before you could see him 595 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,199 Speaker 6: when we were on the far end of the field. 596 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 6: And I knew when he was out there because you 597 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 6: could what kind of clone. It was his own personal 598 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 6: colonne it was. It was the Al Davis clone. I 599 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 6: don't know what it was, but I've never stow. 600 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, well did it smell masculine he walked out. 601 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 6: Of the building. I mean it smelled like it's Pavlov's dog. 602 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 6: I mean it's not just for me, but for the 603 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 6: coaches and everyone involved. You know, they knew, and they 604 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 6: were all puckered up when you know, Al came out 605 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 6: and he knew football. He was coach, and he coached 606 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 6: the Raiders to the single greatest turnaround early on in 607 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 6: the organization. The organization was formed the same year I 608 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 6: was born, nineteen sixty. Yeah, and he ended up being 609 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 6: the coach early on there and turned the team around 610 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 6: and ended up becoming the owner and you know, one 611 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 6: of the great historic owners. 612 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 8: Of without a doubt. 613 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 7: Yeah. 614 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard stories like Al Davis calling in the 615 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 2: sideline saying, hey, let's throw a deep ball. 616 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 8: I don't know about that. 617 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 6: But if I came out of the game, I never 618 00:26:58,720 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 6: came out of the game. 619 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't. 620 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 6: We didn't rotate in those days, and I in particular 621 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 6: didn't rotate. If I came out for one play, there 622 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 6: was a red phone by the gatorade thing, and that 623 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 6: was Al's phone. That phone rang, What the fuck is 624 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 6: he doing out of the game? You know, well, we're 625 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 6: shooting him up. We needed a play. 626 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. 627 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 7: Remember to tune in every Tuesday for a brand new 628 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 7: episode and every Sunday for another Games with Names Highlight 629 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 7: Day