1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: So if something is giving you more anxiety than information, 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: you don't necessarily need to be seeing that in your 3 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 1: news feeds and your push notifications all the time. 4 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 2: Hey everyone, Emily here, come in to you from the 5 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 2: AG studio. 6 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 3: You are listening to Hurdle. 7 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 2: A wellness focused podcast where I connect with everyone from 8 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 2: your favorite athletes to top experts and industry CEOs about 9 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 2: their highest highs, toughest moments, and everything in between. 10 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 3: We all go through hurdles in life. 11 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 2: And my goal through these discussions is to empower you 12 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 2: to better navigate yours and move with intentions so that 13 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 2: you can stride towards your own big potential and of 14 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 2: course have some fun along the way. Today, for Hurdle moment, 15 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 2: I am so excited to be chatting with my friend 16 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 2: and new author, Casey Geurin. She's got a new book 17 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 2: coming out called It's Probably Nothing, The Stress Blessed Guide 18 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 2: to dealing with Health, anxiety, a wellness fads and over 19 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 2: hyped headlines, and today we are chatting about the topic 20 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 2: of how to have a more compassionate relationship with your body. Listen, 21 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 2: life is stressful, right, Anxiety these days, especially in the 22 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 2: age of coronavirus. It is what seems like ambient, And 23 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 2: so Casey and I are addressing how to just take 24 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 2: a deep breath and navigate a lot of the things 25 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 2: that we're stressing about day by day. I'm talking about 26 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 2: the stuff that you're heading over to Google and you're asking, 27 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 2: and we love this phrase, is XYZ normal? Casey gives 28 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 2: examples like is my period normal? Is my right boom 29 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 2: bigger than my left boom normal? 30 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 3: Is it normal to sweat at four pm? Every day? 31 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. 32 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 2: I'm just throwing out things into the stratosphere universe right now, 33 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 2: but you get what I'm saying. We all freak out 34 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 2: so much, especially when it comes to our health, and 35 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 2: Casey and I talk about how we both have certainly 36 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 2: done this in the past, and she offers up tons 37 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 2: of tips and research backed suggestions of how to navigate 38 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 2: this anxiety on the day to day, how to be 39 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 2: just more compassionate with yourself. I really love this conversation. 40 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: Casey is a veteran editor. I have met her during 41 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 2: my journey in the journalism space here in New York City, 42 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 2: and so. 43 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 3: She has literally interviewed and spoke. 44 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 2: With so many top experts on her journey to becoming 45 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 2: an expert herself. So you can trust that there is 46 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 2: a lot of really great tidbits in this episode. Make 47 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 2: sure you're following along with Hurdle over on Socialists at 48 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 2: Hurdle Podcast. I'm over at Emily a body and exciting 49 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 2: that the membership kicks off this Friday. 50 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 3: And I've mentioned this before, but. 51 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 2: Tons of great members only exclusive perks like regular journaling prompts, 52 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 2: exclusive message boards, and an event that I've been putting 53 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 2: together with my dear friend Adrian Williams in mid month, 54 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 2: a one on one chat talking about what the first 55 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 2: value that we're going to be focusing on community means 56 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 2: to each of us. I would love for you to 57 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 2: get in on the membership. For more details and to 58 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 2: sign up, text the word membership to seven three two Hurdler. Again, 59 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 2: that is, text the word membership to seven three to 60 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 2: two Hurdler. 61 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 3: And with that, let's get to hurdling. Today. 62 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 2: I'm sitting down with Casey Gearan. She is a new author, 63 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 2: an old friend of mine in the journalism world. Her 64 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 2: new book coming out is called It's Probably Nothing. 65 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: How you doing, Casey, I'm doing good? How are you. 66 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 3: I'm so good. 67 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 2: I love connecting with old friends for the show. It 68 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 2: just like brightens my day. 69 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: I know, I'm so grateful to be talking here about 70 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: this because I feel like we have these conversations not recorded, 71 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: and they always feel like we're solving the world's problems. 72 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: So I'm excited to get into it. 73 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 3: Health journalists doing their thing. 74 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 2: Well, you have an extensive background in reporting and journalism, 75 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 2: So why don't we shed a little bit of light 76 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 2: on your expertise and how you got to the point 77 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 2: where you were writing and reporting this book. 78 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 1: Sure, So I got started in women's magazines, which was 79 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: always like the biggest dream of mine. So in like 80 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: middle school, high school, I mean, women's magazines were my escape, 81 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: my entertainment, my education in a lot of respects, because 82 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: come on, Cosmo and seventeen and Women's Health totally taught 83 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: you more than sex in did, for sure, and I 84 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 1: wanted to be the one writing those stories and interviewing 85 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:58,799 Speaker 1: those experts. So I went to college for both journalism 86 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: and psychology. Notice that a lot of articles quoted psychologists. 87 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, that'll be helpful. And then I was lucky 88 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: enough to intern in college in magazines I started at 89 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: interning at Cosmo, at Women's health at psychology today, which 90 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 1: just side note is I think such a privilege to 91 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: begin with, because there's definitely a lot of gatekeeping, as 92 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: you know, in the media industry, and the people that 93 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 1: are able to take those internships end up getting those 94 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 1: connections and getting to get into those positions. And that's 95 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: definitely what happened to me. After college. I had the 96 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: opportunity to work at Cosmo because I'd already interned there, 97 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: and I was immediately drawn to the health sections because 98 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: I was always really stressed out and worried about my 99 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: body and my health, and those were always the articles 100 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: that I read first. So I started writing for like 101 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: the Cosmo Bodies, Cosmo Gino, and I mean, this is 102 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 1: way back in the day, and I found it way 103 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: more interesting to interview those doctors, researchers, psychologists than interviewing 104 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: celebrities no offense celebrities, And yeah, it was just it 105 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: was fascinating getting to talk to these people and then 106 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: distill it into information that people could actually understand and 107 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 1: find entertaining. 108 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 2: I really appreciate the fact that you also studied psychology 109 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 2: or undergrad I haven't said this out loud anywhere yet, 110 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 2: but I'm saying it right now with you. I've been 111 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 2: thinking a lot about going back from my master's in psychology. 112 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you would be an amazing therapist. 113 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 2: Well, I just find that, I mean, to your point 114 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 2: about reading all of these articles and reporting all these 115 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 2: articles and working with all these experts, I feel as though, 116 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 2: and I'm not trying to make this about me, but 117 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 2: I like, I'm a certified trainer and I'm a front coach, 118 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 2: and I have this like Level one precision nutrition certification, 119 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 2: But the area where my interests are actually most like 120 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 2: present really has to do with like the mind and 121 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 2: the body and talking about how we feel and exercising 122 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 2: aspects of self help. 123 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 3: And so yeah, I've just been thinking about that. 124 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 2: But I really admire that that was something that you 125 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 2: paired with your experience, and I can totally identify with 126 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 2: you when you say that you found it most interesting 127 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 2: to talk to a lot of experts in these fields 128 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 2: when it came. 129 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 3: To your reporting. 130 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I mean, even like those I had to 131 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: take like stats classes for psych majors, which was reading 132 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: all those really jargony long dense studies that now I 133 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: do on a day to day basis, you know, for 134 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: my job. So I do think there's definitely value there 135 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: in getting more education around the topic that you're going 136 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: to be covering a lot. But yeah, I kept diving 137 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: deeper into health reporting and editing. I went to Women's Health, 138 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: where I was covering their health and their sex sections online, 139 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: and then I went to BuzzFeed, which was of course 140 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: a crash course in digital media. And there's nothing that 141 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: I'll tell you more about what people are interested in 142 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: consuming on the Internet than working at BuzzFeed and having 143 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: access to all of that data for that huge audience 144 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: in like twenty fourteen to twenty seventeen was when I 145 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: was there and again covering health, So it was seeing 146 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: like what people around the world and all sorts of 147 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: demographics were interested in reading about health and wellness. And 148 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: then I landed at Self Magazine, first as their health 149 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: director and then as executive editor, So then it was 150 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: more the content strategy aspect of like what are we 151 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: covering in health and why not so much doing the 152 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: writing and editing on a day to day basis as much. 153 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: So yeah, I would have been health writing and editing 154 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: for about ten years now, and I just recently pivoted 155 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: out of on staff media. I know that you did 156 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: a similar thing, so you can totally relate. But yeah, 157 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: for me, I was already kind of thinking like, maybe 158 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 1: this is a good moment to try something new. I've 159 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: been all consumed with health and wellness content for a 160 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: very long time, and as someone who was also very 161 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,719 Speaker 1: anxious about my body, very stressed about my health all 162 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: the time, it did feel like it was kind of 163 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: all consuming. Yeah, and then COVID hit and it was 164 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 1: even more all consuming. And I know at that moment 165 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: felt like I am so lucky to be surrounded by 166 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: these incredible talented journalists, amazing editors. I feel like they 167 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: got this, and I think I can kind of pivot 168 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:52,959 Speaker 1: off the ladder for a bit. Maybe I'll hop back 169 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: on later but and get back to just kind of 170 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: doing what I fell in love with at the start, 171 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: which was health recording and doing some editing. So that's 172 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: what I'm doing now. And it was at that time 173 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: that I was starting to work on this book, So 174 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: of course a lot of self reflection about health, stress 175 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: and anxiety and how both the media and the wellness 176 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: industry kind of plays into that and how to navigate 177 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: that and your own relationship with your health and your 178 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: body in a little bit healthier, more mindful way. 179 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 2: Right right, And you know it's so I love how 180 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 2: you put it, like I figured it was safe for 181 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 2: me to take a step back and that the other 182 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 2: journalist warriors in the world could like take the reins 183 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 2: during this global pandemic. 184 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: Right, I had no doubt that self and the rest 185 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: of you know, the health journalists out there, we're going 186 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: to cover this with the responsibility and accuracy you know, 187 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: and compassion that it needed. And I wanted to also be, 188 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: you know, there covering it, helping out. And I just 189 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: felt like I could be a little bit more helpful 190 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 1: from the sidelines and not necessarily up at the top 191 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,199 Speaker 1: of that masthead, right, Yeah, yeah. 192 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 3: For sure. 193 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 2: Well, I also appreciate you shedding some light on your 194 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 2: journey to get to where you are today, because I 195 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 2: do think of this as a popular question, right, like 196 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 2: how did you get to be the XYZ at this 197 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 2: XYZ title? And there is a lot of you know, 198 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 2: hard work and dedication and many years of what I 199 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 2: would say or refer to as dedicated service to get 200 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 2: to be closer and closer to the top of these 201 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 2: top editorial masth heads. So really really beautiful in a 202 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 2: testament to your work ethic to see where you ended 203 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 2: up and now I selfishly am excited to see you 204 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 2: kind of step into your own and doing your own thing, 205 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 2: because I certainly can co sign that it is a 206 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 2: very liberating and special opportunity to not only kind of 207 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 2: go in your own direction, but also learn about the 208 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 2: things that interest you and the things that excite you 209 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 2: and spread your wings in the way that feels really 210 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 2: natural to who you really are instead of, you know, 211 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 2: going by the parameters of whatever brand you happen to 212 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 2: be working with. 213 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, yeah, it's been so it's been so interesting 214 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: too to get to work with so many of them. 215 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: I'm sure you had this experience too, so many friends 216 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: colleagues that now are at different brands. It feels like 217 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: I don't want to make freelancing seem like always the 218 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: best thing. Ever, it is hard. It's hard. It is 219 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,719 Speaker 1: very hard. But it also feels sometimes like you're just 220 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: getting to work with all of your favorite people and 221 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: you won't always get to do that when you are 222 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: on staff because you are very siloed. 223 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 3: Very true very true. 224 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 2: Well, let's pivot a little bit now and talk about 225 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 2: this new chapter. Like I said, new author of a book, 226 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 2: it's probably nothing The stress Less Guide to dealing with Health, anxiety, wellness, 227 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 2: bads and overhyped headlines. Wow, I'm sure that title wasn't 228 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 2: something that just popped out one day. 229 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: It certainly wasn't. No, it's so funny because this title was. 230 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: It felt like a very lofty subject even before COVID, 231 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 1: and now it feels like the stakes are so much 232 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: higher when it comes to navigating the health information and 233 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: misinformation that's out there and not freaking out about your 234 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: body and your health every single day, which is an 235 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: ongoing challenge. Sure a lot of other people. 236 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I can totally relate that. 237 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 2: I feel like in the last eighteen or so months, 238 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 2: my definition of normal, like with many others I'm sure, 239 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 2: has certainly shifted. And I literally last week took a 240 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 2: deep breath for the first time and almost felt as 241 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 2: though it was the first time I took a deep 242 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 2: breath that I didn't feel like that air in my 243 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 2: lungs was being met with like a stone wall that 244 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 2: it couldn't get through. I could not remember the last 245 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 2: time that I had taken a breath like that and 246 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 2: didn't feel like just this overwhelming mounting anxiety, and I 247 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 2: was like, wow, I forgot what this felt like. 248 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 1: Right. I think that so many of us are in 249 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: this constant state of whether it's low level anxiety just 250 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: kind of humming along with us every day, or we're 251 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: feeling things that we already were dealing with. Maybe it's anxiety, depression, separation, isolation, 252 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: all being exacerbated by this. And so I feel like 253 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: right now is a good time for everyone to kind 254 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: of check in with themselves and pay attention to how 255 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: much time, energy, money they're spending on focusing on and 256 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: worrying about their body and their health, because it's really 257 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: hard to find that line right now of like what's overworrying, 258 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: what's successive? 259 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 3: Right? 260 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 2: And then like everyone always has an opinion on you 261 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 2: if you are doing too much or too little, or 262 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 2: if you should be worrying more, And it's like that 263 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 2: starts with you, right, Like you're the person that gets 264 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 2: to decide what the right choice is for you and 265 00:14:59,120 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 2: your body. 266 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: Right. That's something that I've heard from so many experts 267 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: that I have interviewed about this subject recently that the 268 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: line for everyone is different. You know, only you are 269 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: going to know if the amount that you are worrying 270 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: about or focusing on your body is interfering with your 271 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: ability to live a full life. There's no magic thresholds 272 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: that can say like, oh, you might need some support 273 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: with that, you might need some help with that, and 274 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: especially right now, because yeah, like you said, everyone has 275 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: an opinion on what is right and responsible, and we 276 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: are being reinforced to be careful right now and to 277 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: be checking ourselves for any symptoms to protect ourselves and 278 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: those around us. So it can be really hard if 279 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: you're already someone who has that kind of fraught relationship 280 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: with your body and you're maybe a little too attuned 281 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: to what's going on, it can be really a slippery slope. 282 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 3: So we're here today specifically to. 283 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 2: Talk about how to have a more compassionate relationship with 284 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 2: our bodies. Now, in saying that phrase having a more 285 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 2: compassionate relationship, the question is surrounding what necessarily. 286 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: Right. So I noticed working in health media for a 287 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: decade that everyone is a little bit confused and embarrassed 288 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: and stressed out about their bodies. My job as an 289 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: editor at these companies was to figure out what health 290 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: and wellness content resonated with people. And as you know 291 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: from being in this industry, one way to do that 292 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: is to look at what are people searching? You know, 293 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: what are we googling? What are we worried about? And also, 294 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: you know, the content that you are publishing, how is 295 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: it doing? Are people clicking on it? Are they sharing it? 296 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: What's really hitting home? And I noticed a trend that 297 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: so much of the content that we were doing that 298 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: really did well was all around this question of is 299 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: this normal? Like some version of that question, like is 300 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 1: my body normal? Is my period normal? Is it normal 301 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: to have one boob bigger than the other? Is this 302 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: thing that turns me on normal? Is this chest pain normal? 303 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: Like you said so so much well in this kind 304 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: of is tied to that question, and that, I think 305 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: is where that tricky relationship with your body comes into play, 306 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: because it's keeping us in that cycle of worrying about 307 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: and criticizing our body. And I think the biggest problem 308 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 1: with that question of is this normal is that it 309 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 1: implies that there is one normal, and we know that 310 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: bodies don't work like that, and it hinges on there 311 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 1: being a right and wrong way to have a body, 312 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 1: to exist in a body, which again and also bodies 313 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: don't work that way. 314 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 2: Uh. 315 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: And it's an idea that's deeply rooted in in ableism, right. 316 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: And it's something that is I think, really hard to 317 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 1: unlearn because our society is constantly reinforcing that some bodies 318 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 1: or states of health are better than others. Right. It 319 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 1: is easier to go about the world in certain bodies 320 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,719 Speaker 1: or certain states of health. It is undeniably hard to 321 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: live with a chronic illness or a disability. So it 322 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: makes sense of why we are constantly consumed by that 323 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 1: question of like is this normal? Is this healthy? Is 324 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 1: this worthy of concern? Is this harmless? Is it common? 325 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: Because we do want to avoid that to some extent 326 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: because it's hard. Noticing that so many people were googling, 327 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: you know, is this normal? Is what I'm experiencing normal? 328 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 1: Just showed me that so many people had that fraught 329 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:00,160 Speaker 1: relationship with their bodies that they didn't really necessarily trust it. 330 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: They were consumed by these messages that you're doing something wrong, 331 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: that something on your body needs fixing or optimizing, that 332 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 1: you should be working on your body and your health. 333 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: Hard and fixing something that maybe you don't even know 334 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 1: is wrong yet, but we're going to tell you why 335 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: it's wrong. 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But you can also 406 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: just have experience health anxiety the way you experience anxiety 407 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: experience depression. And when you think of when they think 408 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: about the risk factors that go into that, it's often 409 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,959 Speaker 1: this increased body awareness, this really sensitivity to what's going 410 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: on in your body, almost paying too much attention to 411 00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: what's going on in your body. And again, we get 412 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: those messages all the time, listen to your body, trust 413 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: your body, and you know your body best. But for 414 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: some of us that borders on kind of hypervigilance. And 415 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: when we're getting all of these messages that your body's 416 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: broken and needs fixing, and your body could be so 417 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 1: much better if you bought this product or did this 418 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: cleanse or tried this service, and you need more data, 419 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 1: you know, on your body to be taking care of 420 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: it the best way possible. It kind of does reinforce 421 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: that we should be spending so much time focusing in 422 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: on it, and that can you know, for some people, 423 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: just be damaging to your body image, your self esteem, 424 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: or your budget if you're spending so much time and 425 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: money on this, yes, and then for others it could 426 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: you know, really exacerbate those feelings of anxiety because you're 427 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: paying so much attention to your body. 428 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 2: Along the lines of having a more compassionate relationship with 429 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,719 Speaker 2: our bodies, where would you say is a good place 430 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 2: to start? 431 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 1: A good place to start is to take stock of 432 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: the messages that you're surrounding yourself with. So think about 433 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 1: you know, if you are following people on Instagram, maybe 434 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: they're posting of what I eat in the day video 435 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: that makes you feel like shit, you know, unfollow that person. 436 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: Unlike that brand that is always promoting articles that have 437 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 1: really fear mongering health headlines that are like eight surprising 438 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: signs It could be cancer and the sign is like 439 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: cough or something. You know, things that if something is 440 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: giving you more anxiety than information, you don't necessarily need 441 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,199 Speaker 1: to be seeing that in your news feeds and your 442 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: push notifications all the time. There are some people that 443 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: love wearables and really find them motivating and awesome, and 444 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: other people that find that anxiety inducing and realize, oh, no, 445 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 1: I'm paying way too much attention if I'm wearing this 446 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: or doing this. Just kind of check in with yourself 447 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 1: and see what's giving me information and empowerment and what 448 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 1: is making me way too anxious about my body? 449 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean that's a great tip on the 450 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 2: wearables note, I, for one, am guilty of cycling between 451 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 2: typically two or three different wearables on a regular basis. 452 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm constantly wearing a whoop and then on 453 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 2: the other wrist, I'm going back and forth between a 454 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 2: garment and an Apple watch. And for me, I ask 455 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,199 Speaker 2: myself often as I look down at what looks like, 456 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 2: you know, handcuffs on both of my risks, and I'm like, 457 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 2: why am I wearing these? And in my life they 458 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 2: serve different purposes, all of which I find to be useful. Right, So, 459 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,719 Speaker 2: rather than getting wrapped up in the WHOOP data or 460 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 2: feeling a lot of judgment if something isn't quote unquote good. 461 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 2: I look at that data and ask myself if there 462 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 2: are habits in my life that I could be implementing 463 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 2: to be a little bit healthier. Granted, these healthier habits 464 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 2: would result in perhaps better WHOP data, but the data 465 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 2: in turn is helping me by giving me cues on 466 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 2: things that I could be doing better that I know 467 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 2: I want to be doing better because I know that 468 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 2: they serve me. So again, there are certainly, you know, 469 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 2: different ways to approach things like wearables like we're talking 470 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,919 Speaker 2: about in this situation, but your point on finding the 471 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 2: ones that work for you and that add positivity to 472 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 2: your life rather than negativity is super super important now 473 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,360 Speaker 2: beyond the external validation that we might be looking for 474 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 2: when it comes to having compassionate relationship with our bodies. 475 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 2: You mentioned something before on the inner dialogue that we're having, 476 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 2: which I would infer is probably where we're going to 477 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 2: go next, about how we are talking to ourselves when 478 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 2: it comes to what we're looking at when we see 479 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 2: something in the mirror, or perhaps just how we're talking 480 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 2: to ourselves about our emotions. 481 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely so when you're thinking about the relationship that 482 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: you have with your body, you're sending yourself messages all 483 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: the time, just like the messages that you're getting on 484 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 1: social media or and subway ads and everything like that. 485 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: So having that positive internal dialogue is important, but it 486 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: can be so hard, especially when you are dealing with 487 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: certain stress, anxiety, or worry or criticism about your body. I, 488 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: for instance, have viewed my body as like this taking 489 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 1: time bomb my entire life. I've dealt with health anxiety 490 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: for as long as I can remember, and I have 491 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:26,120 Speaker 1: spent so much time worrying about a symptom or a feeling, 492 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: getting consumed by it, having panic attacks about it, and 493 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: reassurance seeking through Google, through going to doctors, things like that. 494 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: And so I definitely can empathize with people who don't 495 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: appreciate the advice that they might get that's like, oh, 496 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: just stop worrying about it, Like just tell yourself, like, 497 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: your body's fine, You're good, don't worry. It goes a 498 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: lot deeper than that. A lot of this comes down 499 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: to being more comfortable with discomfort and uncertainty, knowing that 500 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: not every little blip or noise or in your body 501 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: is something that needs to keep you up at night. 502 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: It could be uncomfortable, not necessarily pathological, and also being 503 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: comfortable with that uncertainty that it could be something. You know, 504 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: the title of my book, it's probably nothing, is my 505 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 1: own internal monologue all the time. It's what I tell 506 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: myself all the time. It's probably nothing. Don't freak out. 507 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: It's what I tell my friends and colleagues all the 508 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: time when they're like, oh, you know something about you've 509 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: reported on this, Like should I freak out about this? 510 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: It's often probably nothing, but your head is going to 511 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: tell you, but it could be something, and getting more 512 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: comfortable with that uncertainty, which might sometimes take some support, 513 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: It might take speaking to a therapist about where these 514 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: worries are stemming from. And often it is. You know 515 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: that we are constantly bombarded with the message that there's 516 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: something to worry about, there's something to fix, there's something 517 00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: we could be doing better, eating better, moving better. So 518 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: really just paying attention to how you are absorbing those 519 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: messages and how it is affecting the way that you 520 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: show up in your body. If you are paying too 521 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: much attention or spending too much time worrying about your body, 522 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: your health to the detriment of living a joyful, full life. 523 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: That's often the line for you to pay attention to 524 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: in your research. 525 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 2: I'm sure you have learned a thing or two about 526 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 2: how either mindfulness or meditation can also dramatically impact the 527 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 2: way that we speak to ourselves and what you are 528 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 2: just referencing, not getting wrapped up if something's a little 529 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 2: bit off. 530 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: Absolutely so, I am a huge fan of the Calm app. 531 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: It has been such a huge help for me. I 532 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: know everyone has their own one of those kind of 533 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: mindfulness apps that they really prefer, but that one has 534 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,479 Speaker 1: talked me off a ledge many times, and just you know, 535 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: sometimes you just have to quiet that noise in your head. 536 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: Another thing, though, is keeping in mind that pushing the 537 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: like distracting yourself kind of pushing these feelings down isn't 538 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: going to be as helpful as really getting to the 539 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: root of them. So I think finding mental health support 540 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: is so important if you do feel like you're struggling 541 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: with just meditation, just mindfulness, because it's often these feelings 542 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: of anxiety are often a deeper Sorry, these feelings of 543 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: anxiety often are coming from a deeper place that we 544 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: might not be able to just kind of get through 545 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: with meditation or mindfulness, but it's certainly a huge help 546 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: in the moment. Another tip that I started doing on 547 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: my own and then got validation from some of the 548 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: experts in my book that no, that's actually a good 549 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: idea is something I call the twenty four hour rule. 550 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: So if I am freaking out about some symptom or 551 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: some catastrophic thought in my head, whether it is like, oh, 552 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: I definitely got COVID from that one second I passed 553 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: by someone who maybe you was sick, or like, what 554 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: is this this mole looks different than it did yesterday, 555 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: you know, is to if I am not you know, 556 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: on fire, in pain, debilitated, you know, if it can 557 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: wait twenty four hours, deal with it in twenty four hours, 558 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: tell yourself, like, schedule that time to worry. The planner 559 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: in me really likes that, Like I've planned to worry 560 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: about it later. And that's a good way that you're 561 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: not necessarily like forcing yourself to distract yourself from what's 562 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: going on. You're not saying that your you know, internal 563 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: body signals don't matter. You're just saying, if this is 564 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: worthy of concern, it will still be worthy of concern 565 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: twenty four hours from now. And I often find, of 566 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: course that at that point twenty four hours later I 567 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: check in. Sometimes I won't even remember to check in 568 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: about it. It's totally off my mind and I clearly 569 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: was just worrying about something to worry. And other times 570 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: I check in and I'm like, you know, I'm still 571 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,959 Speaker 1: kind of concerned. Now I feel like I can go 572 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: see someone about that, I can see I can google 573 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: about it. I still do that too. It's okay, I. 574 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,239 Speaker 3: Will allow myself to do this. 575 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 2: Then I also think, of course, of course, this comes 576 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 2: with the caveat that if it was something that was 577 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 2: like astronomically wrong with you, then maybe don't wait the 578 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 2: twenty four hours. But I'm talking about like severe like 579 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 2: abdominal pain, not like, oh, is this all a little 580 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 2: bit different looking than yesterday? Right? 581 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: If these are symptoms that you are consumed by and 582 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: you and again, what's really hard is that panic attacks. 583 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever had one or your 584 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 1: listeners have. If you have, you know that you feel 585 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: like you are dying right then. And so that can 586 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,959 Speaker 1: be a really tricky place to be in. And I 587 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,120 Speaker 1: do suggest still getting help if you are in that 588 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: period you know, I felt, I mean talk about having 589 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: a more compassionate relationship with your body. In college, I definitely, 590 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: you know, dragged friends with me to the er multiple 591 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: times that I swear I was having an allergic reaction 592 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: or a heart attack or whatever, asthma attack, whatever, and 593 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: you know, was mortified to find out that I was fine, 594 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 1: that it was a panic attack, that it was seemingly 595 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: you know, in your head, even though these are very 596 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: real physical symptoms, and years later, I'm able to see, 597 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, my friends are amazing, and 598 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: second of all, that there is nothing embarrassing or mortifying 599 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: about getting help for a very real physical symptom that 600 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: you're having and checking that off the list. If you 601 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: need to give yourself a break for seeking out the 602 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 1: care that you need in that moment, and if it 603 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: becomes a habit, you know, then look into that and 604 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: seek out help that might help you through that. But 605 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: certainly don't don't ignore your body's alarms if they're telling 606 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: you that you need something. 607 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 2: Definitely, definitely and something that you're talking about here, This 608 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 2: theme of compassion and having grace for yourself is definitely 609 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 2: one that's overarching when we talk about, you know, the 610 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 2: need to be a little kinder with our bodies. Have 611 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 2: you in your research approach to experts that gave you 612 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,880 Speaker 2: advice on how to be better with that? In terms 613 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 2: of can a journaling practice help? Are there certain mantras 614 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 2: that I should be saying to myself out loud day 615 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 2: in day out? 616 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:41,359 Speaker 1: What did you find? Yes? So, I something that I've 617 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: heard from experts a lot is focusing on gratitude, having 618 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 1: a gratitude practice, because we can get so caught up 619 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: in our heads and spiral around all of the negative things, 620 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 1: and it's just easier at that point to just go 621 00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: to the next negative thing and the next thing, and 622 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: we're snowballing with all of the things that are wrong 623 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: with my life and my body and my health at 624 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:09,759 Speaker 1: this point. Finding ways to intentionally interrupt that line of 625 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: thinking with the good things, which is often really hard 626 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 1: in the moment, but once you do it, keep those 627 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: lists because you need those when you are spiraling and 628 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: when you are catastrophizing every little thing going on in 629 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:30,760 Speaker 1: your life. It kind of helps to have greater perspective. Also, 630 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 1: just taking a step back when you are in those 631 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: moments and sometimes calling on a friend, you know, call 632 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 1: a friend, call of family member that can help you 633 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,839 Speaker 1: talk through it, because often again we get into our 634 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:49,800 Speaker 1: heads and we'll just keep finding evidence for these beliefs 635 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,759 Speaker 1: in our head. And often you know, if you go 636 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: on Google when you are freaking out about something, you're 637 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 1: going to find the thing that you were worried about. 638 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 2: Oh man, just makes me think about the hernia I 639 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,360 Speaker 2: thought I had last week. I mean, it was very possible, 640 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 2: it was very let me just disclaim this. It was 641 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 2: very possible, based by where the pain was presenting itself, 642 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 2: that I had a hernia. 643 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,719 Speaker 3: And I had two experts tell me that it was 644 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 3: a possibility. 645 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 2: But thankfully we have we've moved on past the stage 646 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 2: of hernia and we're just at we'll just a muscle 647 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 2: strain right now, which seems much more comforting and less 648 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,760 Speaker 2: invasive over time, right. 649 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,319 Speaker 1: I mean for sure? But yes, I mean, if you 650 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,959 Speaker 1: go on Google with certain set of symptoms, you're going 651 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 1: to find something that you will confirms the belief that 652 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 1: you had in your head. And you're also just going 653 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 1: to keep looking until you do find that. And so 654 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 1: sometimes just like zooming out from that turn, your your 655 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 1: phone off, turn your Wi Fi off, kind of step away, 656 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 1: take those tools away for a second and do what 657 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 1: experts refer to as Socratic question shning, which is really 658 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,400 Speaker 1: asking like what evidence do I have for this belief 659 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: or this thought that I'm dealing with? What evidence do 660 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 1: I have to confirm it to refute it? And not 661 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 1: going to Google to add to either pile, but really 662 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,239 Speaker 1: just thinking, you know, in your experience and in what 663 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,279 Speaker 1: you're feeling, and that can kind of also help you 664 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:26,280 Speaker 1: to get greater perspective and not just snowball. But yeah, 665 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 1: it can be It can be really hard. I definitely 666 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:33,520 Speaker 1: I had like a bullseye looking, you know, bite on 667 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:38,320 Speaker 1: my arm years ago, and I'm thinking, this looks super 668 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 1: lime diseasy, you know, and I googled it that told me, 669 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 1: yes it was. I sent it to friends in the 670 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 1: medical field and they're like, yep, looks limey and I'm 671 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 1: freaking out, go to urgent care. It's it was a 672 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,960 Speaker 1: reaction to a musquito bite, like it was not. But 673 00:38:56,120 --> 00:39:00,440 Speaker 1: you are going to certain people can deal with that 674 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: kind of thing and just kind of roll with it, 675 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,360 Speaker 1: and certain people it'll really throw you for a loop 676 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,839 Speaker 1: and have you again just looking at your body through 677 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 1: this critical, worrisome lens, And I just want people to 678 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,800 Speaker 1: have a little bit more grace with themselves and realize 679 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,880 Speaker 1: that your body is normal, because all bodies are normal, 680 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:30,279 Speaker 1: and your body is not some unpredictable, stressful entity for 681 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 1: you to kind of control. 682 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 2: Is there anything that we haven't covered just yet that 683 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,279 Speaker 2: we want to make sure we get in before I 684 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,520 Speaker 2: let you go when it comes to how to be 685 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,880 Speaker 2: more compassionate with our bodies. 686 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,920 Speaker 1: So one thing I think people should also be aware 687 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 1: of that I need this reminder often, and I get 688 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,719 Speaker 1: this reminder from experts often, is that our bodies do 689 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 1: all sorts of weird fluctuating and changing all the time, 690 00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 1: and it does not always signal something to were dangerous 691 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:05,480 Speaker 1: and scary. One example of this that I find super 692 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:09,640 Speaker 1: interesting is some people experience like a little pain with 693 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,279 Speaker 1: ovulation in the middle of the month, in the middle 694 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,280 Speaker 1: of your cycle. It's kind of like a little twinge. 695 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,320 Speaker 1: It's called middle Schmertz, which is just a fun word, 696 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,720 Speaker 1: and it's nothing wrong. I mean, that's just your body 697 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,839 Speaker 1: doing a thing, but it feels super uncomfortable, and some 698 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,359 Speaker 1: people feel it much more than other people, and if 699 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,279 Speaker 1: you are someone like me who is very attuned to 700 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 1: their body and always paying attention to those things, you're 701 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,440 Speaker 1: going to freak out. Similarly, you might freak out when 702 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,960 Speaker 1: your heart is racing, and that could be attributed to 703 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,040 Speaker 1: increased stress. You're about to do a presentation, you had 704 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,680 Speaker 1: way too much coldber this morning, like I did. But 705 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 1: sometimes your mind misattributes those signals to something dangerous, and 706 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,040 Speaker 1: I think us all getting a little bit more comfortable 707 00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:01,239 Speaker 1: with paying attention to those signals and then letting them 708 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,920 Speaker 1: go by. You know, you talked about mindfulness, like, so 709 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,920 Speaker 1: much of mindfulness is allowing thoughts to come into our 710 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,440 Speaker 1: head and then kind of watching them go along on 711 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 1: this river and not focusing on them so much. And 712 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,960 Speaker 1: that's the same thing that I've learned from experts. Is 713 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,240 Speaker 1: a huge part of dealing with this anxiety and worry 714 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 1: about your body, because the more that you do pay 715 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,840 Speaker 1: attention to it, the more that it'll just seem louder 716 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 1: in your head, and if you do end up getting 717 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,880 Speaker 1: a little bit more panicked about it. We all know 718 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,320 Speaker 1: that a panic attack can trigger that fight or flight response. 719 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:41,560 Speaker 1: That's your sympathetic nervous system really just going haywire because 720 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,720 Speaker 1: it thinks that you're in danger, and that does pump 721 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,279 Speaker 1: out adrenaline. It does cause physical symptoms that are going 722 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 1: to further cause you to panic and freak out because 723 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,160 Speaker 1: you're like, well, now why am I dizzy? Why am 724 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:59,239 Speaker 1: I shaky? And trembling and sweaty? These are all very 725 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,400 Speaker 1: real things that are happening in your body. They're not 726 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:05,319 Speaker 1: necessarily a huge cause for alarm, but it's literally a 727 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,280 Speaker 1: false alarm happening. So I think us getting more comfortable 728 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,040 Speaker 1: with that also helps us to not freak out at 729 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:11,799 Speaker 1: every little. 730 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,759 Speaker 2: Thing and not freak out at every little thing. It 731 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,279 Speaker 2: sounds like an aim that I am after. I'm so 732 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,719 Speaker 2: thankful that we had the chance to sit down and 733 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,480 Speaker 2: to chat a little bit about this. I know that 734 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,000 Speaker 2: someone who deals with a lot of anxiety, a lot 735 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,040 Speaker 2: of this really really resonates with me, and I am 736 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,400 Speaker 2: sure because of the things that come into my DMS 737 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,799 Speaker 2: that this will definitely resonate with the community. Casey, any 738 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,520 Speaker 2: other words of wisdom to offer before I release you? 739 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 1: Oh, good question. I would just say that know that 740 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,200 Speaker 1: you are not alone in your worries and in your 741 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:52,680 Speaker 1: questions about your body. We often feel really embarrassed asking 742 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,480 Speaker 1: different questions about our body or even questions to our doctors. 743 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,279 Speaker 1: And it is not your fault that you do not 744 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,879 Speaker 1: know exactly how your body works or what that word 745 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,879 Speaker 1: is that they said that's like medical jargon that why 746 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,120 Speaker 1: would you know that word? Do not be embarrassed to 747 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 1: ask questions. I can tell you from looking at the 748 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,799 Speaker 1: search data around wellness topics that you are not the 749 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,520 Speaker 1: only one with your question. The amount of people that 750 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:25,920 Speaker 1: google like brown period blood or like is my period normal? 751 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:32,040 Speaker 1: Or some very very deep, dark interesting things in the 752 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,800 Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands these people that are googling the same 753 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,520 Speaker 1: weird stuff that you are. So just know that you 754 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,920 Speaker 1: are not alone and what you're freaking out about and 755 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:48,439 Speaker 1: maybe just maybe freaking out actually is normal. I think 756 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,600 Speaker 1: there's nothing more normal than freaking out about your body. 757 00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,480 Speaker 2: Now that's the SoundBite that I'm going to use here. Casey, 758 00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,239 Speaker 2: how did the hurdlers follow along with you? Remind them 759 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,080 Speaker 2: what your book is called again so they can check 760 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,759 Speaker 2: it out? Give us all the details. Yes, so you. 761 00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:08,160 Speaker 1: Can follow me at Casey Gearin on Instagram, on Twitter, 762 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:12,359 Speaker 1: and my book is it's probably nothing. The stress Less 763 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:17,880 Speaker 1: Guide to dealing with health, anxiety, wellness, fads and overhyped headlines. 764 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,839 Speaker 1: And it is out October fifth, So if you are 765 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,080 Speaker 1: listening after October fifth, you can get it wherever books 766 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,040 Speaker 1: are sold. If you're listening before then, you can pre 767 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,640 Speaker 1: order it now. And I'm so excited for everyone to 768 00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:34,560 Speaker 1: have this as we navigate through the rest of whatever 769 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,879 Speaker 1: we're dealing with with COVID, the. 770 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,440 Speaker 2: Rest of whatever we have on deck. Again, thank you 771 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,000 Speaker 2: so much for your time case. I'm over at Emily 772 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:46,640 Speaker 2: a Body and at Hurdle Podcast. Another Hurdle conquered. Catch 773 00:44:46,680 --> 00:45:00,120 Speaker 2: you guys next time, OK.