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Speaker 1: Welcome to Ruthie's Table for a production of iHeartRadio and

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Speaker 1: Adamized Studios. Sitting here in the River Cafe on a

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Speaker 1: Sunday Monday morning, with chefs in the kitchen making ravioli,

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Speaker 1: with hiroles and waiters laying tables in the garden, the

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Speaker 1: uncertain world we live in feels miles away. The artist

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Speaker 1: and filmmaker step mc queen does not separate the world

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Speaker 1: of beauty and the world of suffering in any of

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Speaker 1: his work political oppression, slavery, sexual inequality. Steph and I

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Speaker 1: met in nineteen ninety nine when he won the Turner

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Speaker 1: Prize for his radical video art, and we once had

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Speaker 1: dinner together with President Obama. It was clear that the

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Speaker 1: only person President Obama was interested in talking to with

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Speaker 1: Steve mc queen, and he didn't want to share him

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Speaker 1: with anyone else. Now, a few years later, I finally

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Speaker 1: have Steve McQueen all to myself, and being a generous person,

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Speaker 1: we'll share him with you. Steve and I share a

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Speaker 1: hero in Paul Robeson. We share the same concerns for

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Speaker 1: equality and justice and food, and today we're going to

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Speaker 1: talk all about that and more. Thank you, Steve.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for inviting me.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about growing up in London. You lived with

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Speaker 1: your parents in West London and what did you eat?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we grew up. I grew up in the first

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Speaker 3: leship with Bush, West London. My relationship with food really

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Speaker 3: starts with the market. I was the kid who was

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Speaker 2: Shopping back home.

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Speaker 3: Food was a way of actually getting to do London

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Speaker 3: because it's someone had said to my mother this, you know,

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Speaker 3: So people used to talk about where can they get

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Speaker 3: particularly kind of food and fresh produce.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Where was your mother born?

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Speaker 3: My mother was born in Trinidad, but she grew up

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Speaker 3: in in Grenada, and my father was born in Grenado.

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Speaker 1: How old were they when they came to London.

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Speaker 3: My mother was about fourteen fifteen. I think she's about

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Speaker 3: I think maybe it was about twenty one. I don't

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Speaker 1: And so do you think her mother had taken her

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Speaker 1: to the market. As you say, the market does introduce

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Speaker 1: us to a culture, that introduces us to a city.

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Speaker 1: It's the first place I always go when I go

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Speaker 1: tell me more about the smells of the market and

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Speaker 1: what it looked like for you and your mother's experience

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Speaker 3: Well, in fact, what happened was that a lot of

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Speaker 3: and they grew their own food, you know, and look

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Speaker 2: Food was very.

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Speaker 3: Much directly sort of to do with who they were.

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Speaker 3: So when they came to London, of course looking for

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Speaker 2: I so, I said, I met up with it.

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Speaker 3: I said, missed my football focus on the sacle because

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Speaker 2: It was something which I remember.

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Speaker 3: There was all different cultures, you know, it was didn't

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Speaker 1: When you would come home from the market. What would

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Speaker 1: Who cooked in the house.

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Speaker 2: My mother cooked, my father cooked. My father was a

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Speaker 3: He took pride in the Christmas Ham.

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Speaker 2: That was his job.

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Speaker 3: There was a particular way of cooking that came from

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Speaker 2: It was almost like sort of a ror movie. Marvelous. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Did you cook with them? Was it a family affair?

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Speaker 3: So I can't say that I'm a great cook, but

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Speaker 1: Would they entertain? Would friends come over? Did was there

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Speaker 2: When people did come over? It was? It was a

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Speaker 3: I think most of the things I used to do

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Speaker 1: Or when you left this very comforting family meals where

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Speaker 1: And after that the restaurants become part of your social life.

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Speaker 1: Did you love restaurants?

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Speaker 1: Did you go home? Would you return home for the

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Speaker 2: Yes? I used to love going home for food.

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Speaker 1: Back to River Cafe, Table four. In each episode, my

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Speaker 1: guest reads a recipe they have chosen from one of

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Speaker 1: our cookbooks. We chose spinach and peas, So would you

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Speaker 3: One kilogram fresh peas in their pods, extra virgin olive oil,

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Speaker 1: In Italy, no one ever cooks vegetables.

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Speaker 1: Gorgeous. So now Steve, here we are and we're going

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Speaker 1: television that we've all watched and been so moved by.

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Speaker 1: Small acts. You tell the story of a local restaurant

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Speaker 3: The Mangrove Restaurant was a restaurant run by Frank Critchlow

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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, I mean I had schooled this which I

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Speaker 2: So people are losing this sort of heritage of food.

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Speaker 3: People are not aware of food and nourishment and possibilities

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Speaker 1: Yeah, food is a connection, and food is a memory,

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Speaker 3: Granny please make fish cakes for me because it's a

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Speaker 3: West Indian fishcakes such as it's gorgeous and of course

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Speaker 3: you know there's never anything left for me when I

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Speaker 3: get home. But you know it's just I think, really,

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Speaker 2: I mean fast, what love is rock?

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Speaker 3: Not even love is rock. That's what the whole of

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Speaker 3: Small Acts was based on. The foundation of all of

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Speaker 3: that was based on food and memory. Because it's what's

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Speaker 3: smell is the most antaste is the most potent sources

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Speaker 3: of memory, not the photographs. Photographs is only twenty so

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Speaker 2: Going on wrapping.

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Speaker 1: I'll stop myself, no doubt it's beautiful, but it is

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Speaker 1: what it does. There are people who say, I never

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Speaker 1: remembered that until we started talking about the food, and

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Speaker 1: that brought back the memory. I had somebody whose father

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Speaker 1: I've ever told anybody that story. But now I remember

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Speaker 1: my father actually is a way of his guilt or

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Speaker 1: his love just started cooking, you know. And I think,

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Speaker 1: what you just when you choose your comfort food, you

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Speaker 1: start thinking about your father and your mother, and you

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Speaker 1: think about the memories and that it's so potent, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: I thought it would be interesting, But what it really

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Speaker 1: brings home over and over again is the connection that

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Speaker 1: food has for us for memories.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, forget about this, I'm telling you. Do You've done it, mate,

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Speaker 2: smell and til you've done it.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you, you've done it.

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Speaker 2: It's all to do with you.

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