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Speaker 1: I guess I grew up on an all day row.

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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, it's episode one thirty one. Phil is mouthing

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Speaker 1: the number of the episode because I always forget. But

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Speaker 1: here we are. It's a wonderful Monday. You'll be listening

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Speaker 1: to this on Tuesday. But it's Monday. It's the day

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Speaker 1: after Father's Day. Phil, How was your Father's Day? Buddy? Oh?

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Speaker 1: It was? It was nice. It was nice. Um, I

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Speaker 1: heard Bozeman got rain? Did Boseman get rain? Yesterday? A

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Speaker 1: little bit? I mean the sprits. Where were you. I'm

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Speaker 1: a little bit outside of town. We didn't get any rain.

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Speaker 1: Oh neither did die? Okay, okay, you live in the hills. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what's your kids get you? Uh uh? They got me

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Speaker 1: like a like a backyard patio bar. That's really that's

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Speaker 1: telling Phil. It's it's supposed to be like like a

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Speaker 1: tiki bar made out of bamboo and have it doesn't

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Speaker 1: have like thatch wood or anything, but it has kind

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Speaker 1: of like you know, it's like this slated wood. It's nice.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna be fun. You're an alcoholic, do it outside,

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Speaker 1: do it outside, Keep this outside. I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 1: That thought went through my head, um, but you know

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Well, that's good. Uh. I just got

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Speaker 1: a card in a cool picture frame which I'll put

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Speaker 1: him put on my desk. Uh. And then I just

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Speaker 1: kind of drank all day, did some yardwork. It was

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Speaker 1: It's very suburban of me, and I liked it. I

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Speaker 1: liked it, so don't judge. Um, Phil got a nice haircut. Hey,

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Speaker 1: thanks man. Shout out to where'd you go? Har a

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Speaker 1: salon in Boze in Montana? Alright, not a sponsor, but

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Speaker 1: they did a great job in your hair. Yeah. Um,

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Speaker 1: Joe's getting married, getting married Saturday on Saturday. It's happening, happening. Wow,

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Speaker 1: he's a little dry mouth right now because he had

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Speaker 1: a little impromptu bachelor party this weekend. Drink a lot.

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Speaker 1: I spent my Father's Day throwing up while driving. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's that's hounds safe. That's the most well. I was

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Speaker 1: the passenger in the Okay and I kept having my

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Speaker 1: buddy tie pull over. It was like, tie, it's coming

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Speaker 1: up again, pull over, buddy. One of these weeks we'll

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Speaker 1: have a full recap of Joe's wedding. But Joe, are

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Speaker 1: you nervous? No, I'm not nervous, You're not nervous. Excited,

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Speaker 1: you're excited. Yeah, you're gonna have some fun. I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna drink as much as I did this with the

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Speaker 1: social distance at this wedding. If you want to, it's available.

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Speaker 1: It's available, it's available, just walk. It's all outside. There's

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Speaker 1: proper precautions well for those who feel like it is

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Speaker 1: necessary from here at THHD. Congratulations on your pending nuptials.

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Speaker 1: You can count them. It's gonna be the ground of applause.

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Speaker 1: Philip put a sound effect in there or something that

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Speaker 1: was good enough. He's getting, but you liked. As a

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Speaker 1: wedding gift, We're gonna give you five percent off th

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Speaker 1: HC merch in the Mediator store. Hold on, I just

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Speaker 1: got an email. Um, we can only offer three three

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Speaker 1: you can get take it. You can wear a shirt,

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Speaker 1: probably won't a cup hot, A lot of ship, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we got a lot of ship. Um, all right, well

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Speaker 1: we gotta get a lot of things we have, Uh,

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Speaker 1: Carter Mark Carter that guy, what a wonderful guy. Um,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk a little bit about Cancel culture before

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Speaker 1: we get to him. We're not gonna give it's a

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Speaker 1: long interview. So we're gonna try to work through some

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Speaker 1: of these emails and then get to him. But trust me,

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Speaker 1: I feel that it's one of the best interviews we've

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Speaker 1: not gonna give a whole We're not gonna preface it

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Speaker 1: with much other than like it will stand alone, and

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Speaker 1: you should. You should spend the time roughly what is it?

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Speaker 1: Two hours? Did you look at it, Phil? Two hours?

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Speaker 1: Thought it was pushing three. It was a long time.

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Speaker 1: We spent about twenty minutes, bullshit, and prior to we

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Speaker 1: we did spend a lot of time. So it's been

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Speaker 1: two hour conversation. Hopefully you enjoy it. I know you

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Speaker 1: entire thing. But we got a lot of emails to

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Speaker 1: get to. But before we do that, I guess what's back? Phil?

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Speaker 1: I know, but I'm going to pretend that I don't.

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Speaker 1: What what's back? Man? Is it like doll? Something dull

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Speaker 1: like dole? Moments not so sharp? Up, Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I'm excited. It's back. Play the jingle sharp, not so

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Speaker 1: sharp moments sharp so you don't have to, alright, work sharp,

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Speaker 1: not so Sharp Moments is back, thanks again to Work

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Speaker 1: Sharp Work Sharp has a pretty cool series of videos

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Speaker 1: on the website now teaching me how to sharpen knives.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna need that at some point, trust me. But

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Speaker 1: the fall. So if you do something stupid, write it down,

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Speaker 1: be creative and send it in to us. But you

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Speaker 1: have to tell the truth, Phil right, you should. You

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Speaker 1: can't make it up. No, we're not gonna know this one,

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Speaker 1: just anyway, I digress. I should read it to you.

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Speaker 1: This is from Ashley. I don't know if I won't

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Speaker 1: even say her last name for her sake, don't Ashley.

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Speaker 1: And it's spelled a s H L E I g H.

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Speaker 1: very upset. Now you're upset enough, you've upset pail Ashley. Actually,

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Speaker 1: But anyway, it's already fake. She her name is Ashley.

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Speaker 1: She's not a hunter, but she respects and admires hunters.

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Speaker 1: So so right now she does like to go fishing

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Speaker 1: Where are you like in the dumbest piece of timber ever?

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Speaker 1: Who water filter? Anybody? You're buy a lake lord? And

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Speaker 1: Earth I would say rancher from ten Sleep Wyoming. Um,

422
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Speaker 1: But there's another side of this story. And this is

423
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Speaker 1: a story that he's he's not told in the public

424
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Speaker 1: sphere in this way to this point, so stick in

425
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Speaker 1: for all of that. One of my favorites. We had

426
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Speaker 1: a good time hunting, so you're gonna hear about that

427
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Speaker 1: right now. Enjoy Mark Carter, Mark Carter, How are you, sir?

428
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Speaker 1: How great? Welcome to the Meat Eater studio. Hey, how's it?

429
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me? You know, I tell since this

430
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: is only an ear situation, it's only listening, uh engagement.

431
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Speaker 1: Could you describe the studio for people in your best pros,

432
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Speaker 1: like just this is your first time in here is

433
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Speaker 1: first time. It's very cure rated. There's some some nice

434
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: photography which I really enjoying. I really like the essence

435
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: of the community within this building. They all have a

436
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 1: little picture and then lots of some horns smoking something.

437
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 1: That's that's cool. You don't know where do you do

438
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 1: anything about that? Joe, I have no idea where that

439
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 1: comes from. It looks like that's smoke, but it's it's art. No,

440
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 1: it's art, not like definitely the buffler there and yeah,

441
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: it's it's it's comfortable. I feel feel comfortable. I feel

442
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: so comfortable within these walls. Thank you, I could say

443
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Speaker 1: anything that's right. Now, here's what we're gonna gonna have

444
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: to start with a disclaimer. We just spent you know,

445
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Speaker 1: a couple of days in hunting camp, and you guys, now,

446
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: hunting camp goes, Things get said, jokes are maybe we laugh,

447
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 1: it's not all appropriate for the air. And so the

448
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 1: challenge over the next however long we record, is to

449
00:24:54,040 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 1: keep keep the two worlds separate. Yes, yes, yeah, I

450
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 1: think so they can trickle a little, but I think

451
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: the humor but there's you know, just uh, we're telling stories.

452
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: We're telling stories, telling got lots of stories here. Um,

453
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 1: Joe fair natus here Joe. Wait, we just got back

454
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: from bear camp. We're still smelly all the way around.

455
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: Didn't see a bear, No bears. The story of Joe's

456
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: basic stories that he took us to his hot spot

457
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: where where he killed his bear, the hottest of spots.

458
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Speaker 1: Would you like, how would you say in Fuego fire spot, like,

459
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Speaker 1: how would you describe this spot? Like you in your

460
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 1: mind there were bears, so like hundreds of bears, herds

461
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: of them not not heard. I wouldn't say that in

462
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Speaker 1: my mind. It was like it was a prime spot,

463
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Speaker 1: good country everywhere. Everywhere we went, you were able to

464
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Speaker 1: move fairly easily throughout the country. It was a spot

465
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Speaker 1: where I was like, we'll go there. We might not,

466
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Speaker 1: you know, get a bear, but at least we'll have

467
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Speaker 1: an opportunity. That's what I was thinking. Yeah, I think

468
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Speaker 1: I think you might be lying. I think you said

469
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: to me, we're gonna get it, like we're gonna see

470
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Speaker 1: some bears. I may have said that. I was very kind.

471
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: I was under impression we're going to see bears. Smart

472
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: was very calm. Mark drove here from ten Sleep, Wyoming.

473
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Speaker 1: I did see a bear. Hey, man, it was good.

474
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Speaker 1: It was good. It was good. We're just gonna give

475
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Speaker 1: you ship throughout this whole. I just wanted to hang

476
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Speaker 1: out with you guys. Man. Yeah, we we did some hanging.

477
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: That's usually why I'm here, Ben to take the ship.

478
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 1: That's right. There's long walks and just nice naps in

479
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: the beautiful mountain wildflowers. So yeah, like we Joe's hotspot

480
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Speaker 1: didn't We didn't see any bears, but we didn't see

481
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Speaker 1: what you got salt wolves yesterday. It's a highlight of

482
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Speaker 1: the highlight those wolves. How many wolves was it five.

483
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Speaker 1: There was five of them. That's you don't see five

484
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 1: wolves together. They just like they moved like ghosts, right.

485
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: It was so cool. They just kind of passed and

486
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Speaker 1: buy some elk. Yeah, those elk, I mean they were aware.

487
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Speaker 1: But that was about the only predator we saw. Just

488
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Speaker 1: to reiterate, we didn't see any bears, see any bears

489
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Speaker 1: wolves though. When Joe's hotspot did hot spot hot spot

490
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: black predator like a black bear. That's true, that's true.

491
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: That was close. There was the big black wolf, yeah,

492
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Speaker 1: the white one, and then like three little great ones.

493
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Speaker 1: That's cool, that's cool. We saw a lot of elk.

494
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: How many think we saw firehead. I don't think we

495
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: saw five. That's that's ridiculous. That's a hundred maybe eight eight,

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Speaker 1: I think, Okay, i's a way maybe less, maybe less

497
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Speaker 1: than that, but I mean some times sometimes two right now,

498
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: so you might be close. Yeah, that's how I tend

499
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: to tell stories. We saw ten wolves, hundred and sixty elk.

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Speaker 1: It's like Hollywood saw lots of deer, lots of meal,

501
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: deers of deer. I saw a fox. The fox is legit,

502
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 1: you know, like a black tail on the black face.

503
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: The ground white spatches. We saw a lot of grouse,

504
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: a lot of grouse, great grouse spot. So good hunt.

505
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Speaker 1: We were saying around the fire last night, Mark and

506
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 1: I looked, the best hunts are the ones where you

507
00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: absolutely enjoy yourself even though you were miserably unsuccessful. That

508
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: is the key, I think, you know, just not having

509
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: expectations is you know, I kind of always go into

510
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: any situation just no expectations, like what is it, what's

511
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: it going to give me? Like what's it gonna offer?

512
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 1: And you just take what it gives you and enjoy it.

513
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: And it's like, you know, just getting to hang out

514
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: with you guys and talk, smack and laugh. I think

515
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 1: it's such an important thing to you know, It's like

516
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: everybody's kind of been locked down, so like to get

517
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: out with some with some good guys and for a

518
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: walk and laugh and just be social. This is the

519
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 1: first time I hunted with somebody that wasn't from Montana

520
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 1: for months. Yeah, I felt good. I felt good. I'm

521
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 1: not gonna lie it felt good. It felt real good.

522
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Speaker 1: Um what else I mean? Like, like I said, we

523
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: only hunted, We hunted a day and a half basically,

524
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: but the like nowadays for me especially, I know for

525
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: YouTube Mark you. We're going to get into all that

526
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: you do, because I discovered over the last day and

527
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: a half that you do more than anyone I've almost

528
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: ever known. Do lote yet do some things and some things.

529
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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about all the things a little bit

530
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: here and there, but you know, the limited time we

531
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: get out the country that we live in and some

532
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: of the most beautiful country in the world. I mean,

533
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: we were looking at we were inundated everywhere we went

534
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: with beautiful parks and meadows, grats, green grass, bright green startures,

535
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: grass and big ridges, snow covered peaks and all kinds

536
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: of stuff. It was easy on the ice, it was easy,

537
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: really easy on the good energy to you know, like

538
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: I think certain certain areas, certain mountains, you definitely like

539
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: feel the energy of the of the place you're in.

540
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: And that place was very inviting. It was never like

541
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Speaker 1: even walking it dark, you know, I was like, well,

542
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: I knew we were in sunny Bears, so bears. I

543
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: was like, got Joe with us, you know, let him

544
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: leave the charge. Yeah, he gar hold us. Anyway, the

545
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: most beautiful gar hole. That's what we're gonna calls beautiful.

546
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: That's what we're gonna call this episode the most beautiful

547
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: gar hole. But it was good for I am a

548
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: habitat for bears that didn't have bears, And that's like

549
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: the moral of the of this podcast really, especially since

550
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: I moved to Montana's. We don't always kill ship, but

551
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: we have a good time. It's called hunting. It's called hunting.

552
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: They all kill him, not ever. I think it's experienced

553
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: man like honestly for me, and anything that I do

554
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,239
Speaker 1: in my endeavors is his experience. You know. It's like

555
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: it would have been great to elevate the experience with

556
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: maybe like getting on something and hunting and obviously that's exhilarating,

557
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,719
Speaker 1: but just being out there and walking around and just

558
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: you know, really getting with the pace of of of

559
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: nature and slowing it down and no no cell phones,

560
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: just like focused on the task at hand, and um

561
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: just talking talking about real things. Uh, it's super important.

562
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: That's those are the things I remember. I mean, like,

563
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: there's been so many like amazing events in my life

564
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: and not to like, wow, I'm the man, but like

565
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: I have a lot of exhiliary things, just like from

566
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: my job in my career, but like the things I

567
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: really remember, the things that really matter, And it was

568
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: those experiences with those people that I've traveled the world

569
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: with or been in these amazing places. And it's not

570
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: even about like the biggest mountains or the most amazing

571
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: days like getting footage or whatever. It's just about like

572
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: that experience with those people. We've all got to like

573
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: share that, and yeah, it's really important. I'll tell you, Like,

574
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: over the last couple of days we're talking about life,

575
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: telling stories. You've heard a lot of my a lot

576
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: of my stories, yeah, Sheila Guffrey, everybody, I've heard about

577
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: everybody you know. You know a lot about me now

578
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: the deep dark corners of my life. And I heard

579
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: a lot of your stories. And like when you get

580
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: to we get to talking about things and lining up

581
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: on ideas. We lately we've kind of this this show

582
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: is kind of circled around some things like hunting for

583
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: the experience, regenet of agriculture, how we eat, how we

584
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: moved through the world, how we philosophically look at like

585
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: our interaction with nature, and like most most of what

586
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: you have said and how you talk and how you speak,

587
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: and the things that are important to you in the

588
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: priorities for your life and how you shape your worldview. This.

589
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: We didn't pick it out this way. I just wanted

590
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: to talk to you because I knew you were interesting dude.

591
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,719
Speaker 1: But like, listen to you talk. I think everybody that

592
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: listen to this show me personally. I'm sure Joe as well.

593
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: So the way that you approach things is to me

594
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: important for people to hear. Yeah, you know, I just tryda.

595
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: I think an open mind is really important in approaching things.

596
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: An open mind, um, and just letting things happen, you know.

597
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,959
Speaker 1: I I just think I really try to never force anything.

598
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: I think it's just like work hard, but um, be

599
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: open to like what your surroundings are. And I think

600
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,479
Speaker 1: just like I bring that from the mountains and like

601
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: what I do in the winter and navigating, and it's

602
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: like can be a pretty hazardous environment and you can

603
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: never force things and never just like have expectations and

604
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: you know, because it's such an emotional up and down

605
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: because it's all based upon mother nature. And so when

606
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: I kind of try to proach approach everything like that

607
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: with just open and like listening to what's going around

608
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,719
Speaker 1: me and then try to respond rather than react. And

609
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes keeping the emotions out of it and

610
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: just kind of like reacting or responding to situations. And man,

611
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: I think you just just be kind, be good to people. Know,

612
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: and you like you seem like you do a lot.

613
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: Like you seem like you're not afraid to jump in

614
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: both feet into whatever. I mean, we'll get into all

615
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: the things. You I can't even remember all the things

616
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: you're like, oh yeah, I'll deal with these folks. And

617
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: these folks he told me that you had a motel intensely, Yeah,

618
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: a little motel the carter in Yeah, my mom. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's so it's one of those things that I'm in

620
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: business with everyone in my family. They're like, whoa you

621
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: know you do you can test your patients when you're

622
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: in business with maybe one person. But um, I love

623
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: my family, don't get me wrong. Like it's great and

624
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: it's it's an amazing experience. I've always grown up working

625
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: next to my family. But um, yeah, my mom we

626
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: bought this motel like ten years ago, intensely, and she

627
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: she wanted to do it, and I was like, hey,

628
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: I'm down with like all vests and whatever, you know,

629
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: handyman work, I can do it. Like, let's do this more.

630
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Speaker 1: And then I in the beginning, I cleaned some rooms,

631
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: you know, like we're pretty short staffed, and she's a

632
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: go getter, like every day, all day work. And now

633
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: my sister manages the place. So it's like a family

634
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: of family affair for sure. But in the beginning cleaning rooms.

635
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: But I was so bad at it that like she

636
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't let me do it anymore. Like I was all

637
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: right cleaning, but like making bed She's like, no, you're done,

638
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: And I was like, poor me, you know, something to

639
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: be bad at, yeah, something to be bad at. But

640
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: it was like it was good because I don't I

641
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: don't really want to like make beds. Well. Like another

642
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: thing that you know, as we talk about like how

643
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: you shape how you think about things, that approach things,

644
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: because like you're a successful man, um done a lot,

645
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: doing a lot growing up. You grew up tensely wyoming.

646
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: Yes are ranch, yes, sir, roughly roughly purchased by your grandfather, yep, yep.

647
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: So it's been with my brothers kids, its four generations. Yeah,

648
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: pretty pretty amazing place there on the on the western

649
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 1: slope of the Biggers. Tell Us describe that thing because

650
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: I know you you have. I'm sure have a lot

651
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: of affinity. Yeah, I mean tensely. You know. That's my

652
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 1: comfort zone. That's where I was born and raised on

653
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: that ranch, you know, and I think, you know, I

654
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: give so much of my uh the way I was

655
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: shaped in my character from just growing up on on

656
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: a ranch. And obviously, see my dad was a pretty

657
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: hard ass and he worked as hard and he had

658
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 1: sons so he had like help, you know, and I

659
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: get it, Like I get it now. I was like,

660
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to dig that hole. Like he's like,

661
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: you dig the hole. So he taught us from a

662
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: very young age. We were always shorthanded to work hard.

663
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: But that really molded a lot of things. You know,

664
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: you're always like dad, Dad, You're such a dick. But

665
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: it really was amazing growing up that way because now

666
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: I look back and I'm like, oh no, he was

667
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: just he understood life was going to be and he

668
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: was just getting me ready. He was like take a beating, um.

669
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: But just growing up I think that close to nature.

670
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: We didn't have TV, you know, outside was like my

671
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: my my creative space. That was like everything to me,

672
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 1: you know, grabbing a little twenty two and run down

673
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: the creek. I fished every day. We had like this

674
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: beautiful tensed creek ran right through the property. And then

675
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: you know, all the ranch was connected all the way

676
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: up the slope at the Big Horn. So I grew

677
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: up just kind of running wild like a kyo. And

678
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: you know, if we if we stood, if we were

679
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: around the house, like there was always every morning you

680
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: had to get up early, like no matter what, if

681
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: there was anything going on. Like Dad was like, it

682
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: didn't even matter if you're getting up, like let's go,

683
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: you know. And and so that's still kind of green

684
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 1: in my head. I have anxiety if I sleep past seven,

685
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: that's fine. But I think just growing up within the

686
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: dirt and just being part of that, it was it

687
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: just really molded what I wanted to do. You know.

688
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: At a young age, I was like, I want to

689
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:21,919
Speaker 1: be a mountain man. I had no idea. I saw

690
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: like Davy Crockett. I was like, I want to be

691
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: a mountain man. But like it's funny because now I

692
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: like look at my life and I've like molded it

693
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: to be. I'm not like a mountain man, but I

694
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: am like kind of a mountain man in my career

695
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 1: and everything that I've chosen to like you know, put

696
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: my energy into. But you know, and I think my

697
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: my career longevity within snowboarding has been because there is

698
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: a balance because I spend my winters in Jackson Hole

699
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: and then I spend my summers intenseleep, and and that

700
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: really gives me this balance because Jackson is a wonderful place,

701
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: but it's not really like it's not tense sleep, you know,

702
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: it's not people aren't like, you know, struggling to survive

703
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: and working every day and like super blue collar. There

704
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: is within that, but it's kind of a little hidden

705
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: behind the scenes in Jackson, but intensely puts up front.

706
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: So I always made it a point to come home

707
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: every summer and help my family and like ingrain myself

708
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 1: within that community and just man, people work hard to survive,

709
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 1: like and um, when when you're working hard to survive,

710
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: you really don't have time for a lot other things

711
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: like you know, unnecessary banter or whatever. But it's like that, really,

712
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 1: I was always made it a point to be accepted

713
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: by that community every time I came back, and I'll

714
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: be like, oh, look at Carter over here, like you know,

715
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: doing this thing traveling being a pro snowboarder, you know,

716
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: And I was like I didn't even know like until

717
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: like recently, like nobody really understood like what pro snowboarding was.

718
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 1: I was kind of like, yeah, you know, I'm doing

719
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 1: my thing, Like well, well, coming from there, that wasn't

720
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: even like an option, Like nobody went out and um

721
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: like chased that like unattainable dream. It was kind of

722
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: an unattable thing. But I was like at a young age,

723
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: I was like, well, why would I put my energy

724
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: into something I don't want to do, because you know,

725
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,959
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to conform to this like mold, I'm gonna

726
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: go like put all my energy into something that I

727
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 1: want to do. And I think it just came with

728
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: like not being afraid to fail, you know. I think

729
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: that's what holds people back because like, man, I know

730
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: what it is fail, you know, snowboarding, Like you learn

731
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: that I'm not the best snowboarder in the world, like

732
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: by any means, but I can, I like know how

733
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: to wreck really good. You gotta learn how to wreck.

734
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: So when you have the confidence, you're like, okay, if

735
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: I like you have something lined up you want to

736
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: hit or ride a line, You're like, okay if I

737
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: wreck here, like I'm gonna be okay, Like I got that.

738
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: Well you have then you have the confidence to just

739
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: kind of go for it. And I think it's just

740
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: I kind of trust. Try to take that into life.

741
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: Is like, man, Like, all the failures that I've had

742
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: have really, I mean those were all blessing in some way,

743
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: shape or form, because you learn from that and I

744
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: think just moving forward. And you know something my dad

745
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: told me when I was about eighteen, and he was

746
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: hard on us. You know, there wasn't a lot of

747
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: like how are you feeling today? What do you guys

748
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: want to do? Is like, you know he was he

749
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 1: was running a big ranch and he was by himself.

750
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: You know, he had his boys, and so we were

751
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: expected to pull our weight. We worked hard. I mean,

752
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: cattle battles like these moving you know, six had of

753
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: cattle with you know, my dad on a horse that

754
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: was bucking the whole day because he was always riding

755
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: ranks stuff. And then my brother, my little brother or

756
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 1: my big brother, and I just like getting it done

757
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 1: and there and there was no other option than to

758
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: get the job done. There wasn't like well, didn't work. Well,

759
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: I guess we'll just try to know. There was like, dude,

760
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: we gotta get this done. Like when when you're responsible

761
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: for livestock and animals that and and I you know

762
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: it's so important, like there's no quitting, so you just

763
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 1: to find a solution. And I think that. Uh my

764
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: dad like back to that. When I was eighteen, He's like,

765
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: I dropped out of college because I thought I was

766
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: gonna be like yeah, I call that's what everybody told you.

767
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 1: And I got to like, well, I got a football

768
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: scholarship and I was like, sweet, maybe i'll maybe I'll

769
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: And it wasn't a big football scholars whatever. Give me

770
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 1: excuse I thought I was. I thought it was pretty cool,

771
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: you know. I was like I'm gonna do this and

772
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: I was like I don't even know who I was then,

773
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: but I dropped out. I mean I lasted like a

774
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 1: semester and I just did not I wanted to fish

775
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: and yeah, and he just told me, he's like Mark,

776
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: if you know how to work hard, you'll always be okay.

777
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: And I was like, damn, all right. Well I took

778
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: so much like comfort and security and I was like,

779
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: no matter what I do like if I fail, like

780
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: I'll just get some other job and I'll work and

781
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: I'll build it back up. And it was just like

782
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: they gave me this real security to just kind of

783
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: go for it. And I always had like the backing

784
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: of the ranch, you know, like if I failed, like

785
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: I could always come back to the ranch and and

786
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: work and like make a living or whatever life that

787
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: may be. But so it really like I, I, you know,

788
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: give the ranch and my dad and my mom a

789
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: lot of credit for that, like ingraining, that worth work

790
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: ethic and like just kind of like go, you know,

791
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: go for it. And and in the beginning they weren't

792
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: like super supportive. My mom always was that's what I

793
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: was gonna ask, but my dad was like what's your

794
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: dad say? But that's just like what's your deal? Like

795
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: you working, because I mean that's how they based like success.

796
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: You know, you work hard and you know, and it's

797
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: not necessarily bank accountant in in my opinion, I think

798
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 1: it's really like what's your quality of life? And like

799
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: you only need so much and I think when you

800
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: you like taking on all these things, I've just learned

801
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: to like just take on what I can handle, Like

802
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: don't overextend myself. I'm real careful about not like over

803
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: extending myself. And then I start getting stressed or like

804
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: too many obligations. I'll just like pull pull back and

805
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: be like yo, like this is what I can do,

806
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 1: this is the amount of energy I have, and this

807
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: is what I'm going to focus on. And man, I

808
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: can't I can't complain. Man, I love my life. When

809
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: did your dad turn? Like when did it? Like is

810
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: there a time where he was like I get it

811
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: now or like I see what you're doing? At least

812
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: like there was you know, I was about you know,

813
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: and I was a late bloomer because most people in

814
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: the whole like trajectory of pro snowboarder, especially during that

815
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 1: time was like you know, if you weren't like sponsored

816
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: by eighteen and grinding and like you know, coming up

817
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: in the ranks or whatever. It's just it was a

818
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: totally different world than you're kind of old like by

819
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 1: the time you were thirty, you're kind of like late

820
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: twenties are washed up snowboard Like it was kind of

821
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 1: done so that the template was different. And I dropped

822
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: in late because during high school I was focused. I

823
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: was intensely I was focused on high school. I was

824
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: focused on football. I didn't I wasn't even snowboarding because

825
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: our little resort that I had learned at Metal Arc

826
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: it was shut down. So I kind of like lost

827
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: my path and I needed purpose. So football was like

828
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: took that that that place, and um, you know, I

829
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: was like, I did the college and then I worked

830
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: for a year and I was like, man, I just

831
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: wanted to snowboarding, Like what am I doing? So I

832
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: didn't even started pursuing this till I was like twenty one,

833
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: and I actually moved to Bozeman. Um when I was twenty. Yeah,

834
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: I moved to Bozeman. So my dad, my dad, my grandfather,

835
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: UM had that he grew up. My dad grew up

836
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: in Bridger Canyon. That lit, Yeah, you a little shack

837
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: up there, and so him and his ten brothers and

838
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 1: sisters grew up in Bridger Canny. So he always had

839
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: these stories about Bridger Canny. And my grandpa did a

840
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: bunch of logging up there and just the hunting and

841
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: like the bears and just like it sounded like the

842
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: wild West. And so when I decided, I was like, yo,

843
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna work for a year on the

844
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: ranch hard right after college. And then I'm gonna just

845
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: dip out and go snowboard for a whole season and

846
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: just see, you know, like eat ramen and just be

847
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: poor and be a dirt bag and live on the

848
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 1: floor and make it happen. And I was like trying

849
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 1: to pick places to come and I was like, well,

850
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: bos Man Man, I can find some comfort because my

851
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: dad had been here. I was like, oh, it's kind

852
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 1: of close intensely, like I can do that. That's a

853
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 1: big move. So I came up. I started riding here

854
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 1: and I spent I ended up spending two I never

855
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: spent a summer, but I spent two winners writing Bridger,

856
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: just kind of like getting and I hadn't snowboarded and

857
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: like four or five years, so all my gear was

858
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: like outdated. And I was going to there's a shop

859
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: here in Bosman called World Boards, and I would go

860
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: in there and like when I had enough money, I'd

861
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: buy like some bindings and I got boots and I

862
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: got like upgraded my my kid. I was like, man,

863
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: the technology is kind of come long ways sick. And

864
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: then my buddy Dan and Justin they came up from Jackson,

865
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: and they were like, hey, you should come to Jackson

866
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: the spring, like after you leave Bozeman. I mean I

867
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: literally lived on an air mattress and I could move

868
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: in my grand damn. I could throw all my gear

869
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: in my grand dawn and like an hour and beyond

870
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: the road. Like that was my life. And so I

871
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: planned on going back to tent sleep, and then I

872
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: met I ended up in Jackson and I just spent

873
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: a couple of days there. I was like, dude, what

874
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: have I been doing? Like I grew up in Wyoming

875
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: in my whole life, I had heard about Jackson, but

876
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: I didn't even know this like mountain existed. These mountains

877
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: existed because I never went over there because it was like,

878
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 1: you know, we didn't travel a lot as a kid.

879
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: You know, it was like I'd go to these small

880
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 1: resorts in in in Wyoming. So we ended up in Jackson. Man,

881
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: I was I was woked. I was like, I'm coming

882
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: back next year. They gave me a job and that

883
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: was what really honed like my my big boy skills

884
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: for for snowboarding. Well, because like snowboarding the way you

885
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: were swilling. Joe knows all about snowboarding or bows more

886
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 1: than I know. I love snowboarding. I love the mountains.

887
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: Anything in the mountains is what I do. I love

888
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: it too, But like I'm not I don't know that.

889
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: I don't know the game. I don't know the culture.

890
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: Um are you you're not aiming for gold medals? You're

891
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: not aiming for are you could? Like it seems to

892
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: me that you're charting your own path like what you

893
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: do now if you you know, if you google Mark Carter, snowbody,

894
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:24,959
Speaker 1: you're defind films and like art, snowboarding arts, amazing Rex. Yeah,

895
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: just like you know, it's very it's it's like it's

896
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: it's freedom to be out there and navigate these giants

897
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: safely and like look at because every snowboarder, like I

898
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: have an amazing group of people I ride with and

899
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,280
Speaker 1: just like this this this whole community around the world

900
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: that you can go anywhere and find these amazing guys

901
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: and like being tapped into that that like special, you know,

902
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: pro Like I have a lot of contacts, which is cool.

903
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: I get to like ride with these heroes of mine.

904
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: But everybody looks at the mountains different and it's like

905
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: this very creative way, in free way to just to move,

906
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: you know, and and and it's like this like going

907
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: out in the mountains in the in the winter when

908
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: when we're filming and we have these objectives in this purpose,

909
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: Like I have such a sense of purpose in winter

910
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,240
Speaker 1: to explore and and and find new zones, to ride

911
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: new new lines, new jumps, whatever we're doing, and document that.

912
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: And I think that's what really is like the special

913
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: part about it. I don't have anybody telling me what

914
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: I need to be doing. I mean there's certain things

915
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: times I have obligations of sponsors that you know, they

916
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 1: need some assets. But I've really created this home path

917
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: of mine that I get a ride with the people

918
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: that I want to ride with him, which is one

919
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: of the most important things. Being with the people that

920
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: I trust and I no care about me and I

921
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: know we're going to put their dent into what we're

922
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: doing because it's dangerous and like they have positive attitudes

923
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: and so it's really cool to be able to like

924
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: pick my crew from the filmers to the photographers to

925
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: the riders. I mean so iportant. Everybody needs to be

926
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: moving um safely and smoothly, and like everybody needs to

927
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: be thinking as we're navigating because it's like, you know,

928
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 1: when conditions let us, we're going to really like walk

929
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: that line a little bit, you know. I mean, we

930
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: don't make any decisions like people would look at it

931
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: you're crazy. But there's a lot of calculation that goes

932
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: into like these objectives and the things we're writing, because

933
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: you know, all the content that usually comes out is

934
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: just like the best. You know. It's like, you know,

935
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: I don't know how many hours of of of filming

936
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: and working we do for like, you know, five minutes

937
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: of film. We're only putting out the best. But um, yeah,

938
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: it's it's very special. Man. What about injuries. I've definitely,

939
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: you know, had some injuries, and it's always one of

940
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: those things where a lot of the times you're just

941
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 1: riding through injuries, not I mean there's injuries and hurt

942
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 1: Like injuries are like kind of you're mobilized. It's like

943
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: I did an a c L like years ago, and

944
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: that was that was like that was an injury. You know,

945
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: I was down for six or seven months, but that

946
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: was right at the end of winter, so it was

947
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: no big deal. But yeah, you take a beating, you know,

948
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: like holding on like I get tendonitis, so I you know,

949
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: I gotta work on like you know, just sledting all winter.

950
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: My hands going numb, which super sweet, especially when trying

951
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: to sleep. That's awesome. Uh. They have these amazing like

952
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 1: like little massage guns and stuff these days. Can you

953
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: use Yeah, you can just use them on your whole body.

954
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: It's great, it's great. But uh, I think it's maintenance,

955
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: you know. I think a lot of it comes down

956
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,919
Speaker 1: to nutrition, taking care of yourself. I don't party like

957
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: you know, I like a good tequila once in a while,

958
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 1: but I want to wake up just like early, ready

959
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,439
Speaker 1: to go. And I think putting a lot of that

960
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: thought into um continuing this especially you know, I'm getting older,

961
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: and not that I feel older, but it's like I

962
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: am aware that your body definitely if you're not upkeeping,

963
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: then stuff's gonna fall off. So it's like staying strong,

964
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: eating healthy, you know, I think that's that's super important.

965
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: And moving, I mean you certainly move and and you

966
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,240
Speaker 1: would think for me, right being a doing what you do,

967
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: snowboarding all winner filming, it being part of that, the

968
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 1: production process, doing all that that and having a ranch

969
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 1: that would eat up all of your time, you wouldn't

970
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: have time for anything else. But we already mentioned the motel,

971
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: and then you also have Carter Country Meats. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

972
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 1: so yeah, the ranch. You know, we just kind of,

973
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: you know about six or seven years or seven, she's

974
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: seven years ago. Uh. You know, I've been to Jackson

975
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,879
Speaker 1: for ten plus years and people always asking you, like, hey,

976
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: like how do I get your beef? And I was like,

977
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: that's a good question, man, I don't know how do

978
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: I get my beef? A lot of jokes there. I

979
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: love those jokes. I've definitely fed a lot of the

980
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,720
Speaker 1: Jackson community my beef. Yeah, you know, always people always

981
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: come up and saying that I love your meat, and

982
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: I love like that's great, that's a very it's a

983
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: rewarding I can't wait to have your meat. You can't

984
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 1: wait to feed you. Thank you. But so, you know,

985
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: seven years ago, we we my brother and I We're like, man,

986
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: we gotta do something different, you know, because this commodity

987
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: thing is like you're at the mercy of the market

988
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: ups and downs. Can we take a step back real quick.

989
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 1: I think it's important that the things as important thing

990
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,919
Speaker 1: before we kind of because I want to talk about

991
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: the ranch more end talk about car couch means obviously,

992
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: but explain take us through what a rancher is in

993
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: your mind, and like what a rancher means to the landscape,

994
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: because we like this isn't a vital thing. Let me

995
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: just say, like we've talked about genderabout of culture, you

996
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: and I the other day when we're hiking, we're talking

997
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: about that, talking about just like relationships to the land,

998
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: relationships to the folks that control that land at some level.

999
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: And I think it's very important because we all don't

1000
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: we haven't had a rancher on this podcast and some time,

1001
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: but we're always talking about these issues that are either

1002
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: parallel to ancillerty two are directly related to ranchers, what

1003
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: they do, how it affects hunters, how it affects how

1004
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 1: we eat, how it affects our food system, blah blah blah.

1005
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: And so I think it's important just to hear you

1006
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: kind of just just go nuts on. I think, I mean,

1007
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: some of the most dedicated, committed people that I've ever

1008
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:04,919
Speaker 1: been around, you know, hard working, honest, they care more

1009
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: about the land and the animals. I mean, that's their responsibility,

1010
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: you know, in life that's their whole purpose is for

1011
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 1: those animals in that land to do well. They're the

1012
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: true stewards of the land. They have their their hands

1013
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: in the dirt, they bleed, they sweat over that land,

1014
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: you know, I means their survival. They have no other options,

1015
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: you know. And it's a real sense of community. Like ranchers.

1016
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: I've never like ranchers really help each other. And in

1017
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,919
Speaker 1: spring everybody brands you help your neighbor, not because you're

1018
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: like looking for a hand out or a check. You

1019
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 1: just that's expected. You know. You you help your neighbors.

1020
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: You you have their back because you know, like when

1021
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: you're in a pinch, they're gonna help you. And I

1022
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 1: think that sense of community within that that world is

1023
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: so it gives people in such a hard lifestyle a

1024
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: sense of security knowing that you have a little backup,

1025
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: you know. And I think they get a bad rap,

1026
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 1: you know, from time to time. I and I and

1027
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 1: I don't think it's it's it's like a malicious thing.

1028
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: I think people just don't understand it. And I think

1029
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 1: if you've ever ingrained yourself into that that culture and

1030
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: the end, just seeing how they treat the land, I

1031
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: think you would really understand. And it's just like educating

1032
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: more than anything for people. But I mean, I've watched

1033
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: these guys, you know, cry and bleed over this land

1034
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: like my family. And at the at the end of

1035
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: the day, they're feeding people. You know, it's like feeding

1036
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: people to survive. And I a tremendous respect for those people,

1037
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: you know, and the farmers, and because at the end

1038
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: of the day, you know, the commodity markets kind of

1039
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: it's kind of the shitter, you know, and it's like

1040
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: people are really trying to survive, and you know, what

1041
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: would you do to survive? You know, like you're not

1042
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: gonna you know, like I think they get a bad

1043
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 1: rap and away of people think that they're just out

1044
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 1: there to let their animals over graze. And I was like,

1045
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:01,879
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, man, like, if your

1046
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 1: animals aren't doing good and fat and happy, if your

1047
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: animals aren't happy, you're not gonna do good. Your calves

1048
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,439
Speaker 1: are gonna come and wigh in light. And so it's

1049
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 1: you've got to really have your finger on the pulse

1050
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,760
Speaker 1: of what the land is doing and what the animals

1051
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: are doing and how they reacting like happy animals. And

1052
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: I mean it never ends with a rancher. There's no like,

1053
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: oh I get the day off. No, man, Like I

1054
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: watched my brother and he's a very forward thinker r C.

1055
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: And he just has so many ideas. But what I've

1056
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: watched him, my dad, my grandpa build, and my dad

1057
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: add to and my brother just like it's say, he's

1058
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 1: like he's like the honing stone, right, he's just put

1059
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: that perfect edge on the ranch. All the fields are beautiful, like,

1060
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: no mono cropping, all natural grasses. The cows are happy,

1061
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: like everything is just in in flow. And I think

1062
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 1: when you have that flow, it's a beautiful thing, you know,

1063
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: but it's comes at a cost, you know, Like and

1064
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: that was one of those things for ranchers, you know,

1065
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: the ranch always comes for Yeah, Like it's not like

1066
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: your family. It's not your wife, it's not your kids,

1067
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: it's the ranch because you have all those mouths to

1068
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 1: feed you. It's your responsibility for all those animals to

1069
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: not suffer and do well. So if there's eneor train

1070
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: wrecks like you you have, like it could be your

1071
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: your anniversary. Man, you could be at dinner and there's

1072
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: a ship show going on the ranch. Like I know,

1073
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 1: what my brother is gonna pick like he has to.

1074
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 1: That's just responsibility. But um, it breaks my heart to

1075
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: to see the commodity market and and a lot of

1076
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: these guys starving just because you know, there's people lining

1077
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: their pockets and you know, the guys that hold the

1078
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: cow that's whole life get paid a miniscule amount of

1079
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: the guys that are you know, but you're in the

1080
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: processing plants, like it's a it's a crazy unfair imbalance,

1081
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: and yeah, it has to change, you know. It's like

1082
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 1: the food system is so broke, and it see it

1083
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: seems like that like you you spend this time. I've

1084
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: talked to other ranchers and kind of pick this up

1085
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: and so it's like my version of what I'm hearing

1086
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 1: is like you you developed this empathy and this compassion

1087
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: for the animals and the land, and it's connected. But

1088
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 1: then on the other side, there's there's another side of

1089
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: the coin where you have to make money that they

1090
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: are literally your cash cows. But you have this empathy

1091
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: for their situation and the land that they need and

1092
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 1: the land that you need, and you have this value system.

1093
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: But at the other side there's this you know, devil

1094
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: on your shoulder, saying you have to make money. This

1095
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: is the way you do have to live. You do.

1096
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, if you can incentivize people

1097
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: to uh do this regenerative ranching and practices, and it

1098
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,240
Speaker 1: would be lucrative. I mean, we're talking like changing changing

1099
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: the system essentially, and there's people doing it. But I mean,

1100
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: if if you're a rancher and you're selling commodity right now,

1101
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: your cows are worth nothing. So it's like, you know,

1102
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: kind of like sourcing regionally. Delivering locally is like the template.

1103
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: My brother has this crazy you know, he has so

1104
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: many ideas and he's really like working on this. You know,

1105
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: he he loses sleep over this at night because you know,

1106
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: our businesses, you know, we sell direct to the customer.

1107
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: We do a little wholesale and and the business is good,

1108
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: you know, but it's not all about us. It's like,

1109
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 1: you know, we'll be okay. But I want to like

1110
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: see my neighbors do well. I want to see the

1111
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: whole community, Like how do you change everything? Like you

1112
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: need to see everybody that's going out there and losing

1113
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 1: sleep and stressing over finances and losing their ass and

1114
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,800
Speaker 1: still having the work seven days a week, like you

1115
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: you have to like there there has to be a

1116
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: point where those guys are being rewarded and like being

1117
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 1: able to survive. It's not like they're asking for a lot.

1118
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 1: You know, there's a gap there. And I think you're

1119
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 1: probably your brother and you generationally are probably in a

1120
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 1: position where over the over your grandfather's life and your

1121
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: dad's life, things change so rapidly, our food systems change.

1122
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: The way we're like ranchers related to the food system

1123
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: have with their place changed rapidly. Now there is and

1124
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: we've talked about this on the show last week with

1125
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: Diana Rupp and Rob Wolf and the other other shows

1126
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: where we talk about impossible Burgers and what they want

1127
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 1: to do with the landscape. We we kind of cover

1128
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 1: all of that, but here we are like, you're an

1129
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 1: actual rancher. You're not some intellectual dude living in Boston

1130
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: or or some you know, theorists at n y U

1131
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: or you don't work at you know, in Hong Kong

1132
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 1: for impossible Burger, Like you're on the land, you see

1133
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: this ship, you know what's going on, and so there

1134
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: has to be generationally for you that I feel like

1135
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: it's a huge opportunity because things are changing, things can change,

1136
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: things will change, there's new ideas. It's a it's a

1137
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: huge opportunity. And and it's like I think our generation

1138
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: and these people informed. I mean, it's our responsibility. I

1139
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: truly think that. And um, I think the food system

1140
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: is so broken. I think everybody should be able to

1141
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: eat healthy. I don't think it should be like this

1142
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 1: thing of of class and it's expensive to eat healthy,

1143
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: you know, and there's all this dogshit at the bottom

1144
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: of the shelf that you know, if you don't make

1145
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: enough money, like that's what you're eating, and that there's

1146
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: so the underlying problems there. And I think it's like

1147
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: it has to be simple though, you know, and and

1148
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: it is simple, but you know, it's like always easier

1149
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: said than well. It's like we've this in our conversation

1150
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: about this kind of stuff. There's these large scale solutions

1151
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: that's what impossible. Burger plant based meats are like, hey,

1152
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: we're gonna wipe out out animal agriculture altogether through this

1153
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 1: through technology, through progression, through taking away basically taking a

1154
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: system that isn't working and instead of improving upon it,

1155
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 1: making it more local as you suggest in other folks

1156
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: that have backed for genderve agriculture suggests we're going to

1157
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: erase it from being, We're going to replace it with

1158
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: what essentially is a monoculture. Would have to be some

1159
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: sort of monoculture, And like what happens to the natural lands,

1160
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 1: you know, like that there's there's there's existential cost and

1161
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 1: all that, and I think, you know, we aren't God,

1162
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: and we can't just make these decisions. You know, it's

1163
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 1: like really digging in and seeing how nature provides. In nature,

1164
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: the system works, and I think that's what you really

1165
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: have to start looking at all, Like the whole book

1166
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: is there, we just got to read it. And I

1167
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: think people are, you know, are are beginning to be

1168
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 1: more open to that and like asking about where your

1169
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 1: food is coming from and and being more open to

1170
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: like cattle maybe aren't so bad on the land, you know,

1171
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: like this nutrient cycling and sequestering carbon and all these

1172
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 1: things that like everybody's been fighting over. But it's like,

1173
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's it's a divisional thing, but

1174
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: it's like we all want the same thing at the

1175
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: end of the day, Like we want earth to survive

1176
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 1: and thrive. We want our race to survive and thrive.

1177
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: And you know, don't overthink it. You know it works.

1178
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 1: You know, listen to her, you know. And that's always

1179
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 1: been something that I've I've you know, finger on the

1180
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: pulse of of the earth and whatever I've made doing,

1181
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 1: I listened to it. I listened to like what's going

1182
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 1: on around me. I'm not trying to force it or

1183
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 1: like project anything onto it. And I think that is

1184
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 1: so important. Man. Are you ever like you ever scared

1185
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 1: for the community that you came from, like fear for

1186
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: for their future all the time? Man, I see it.

1187
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: You see people like it's hard times, man. And I'm

1188
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 1: not saying it's just the ranching community. I think everybody's

1189
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: having hard times right now. And you know, if you

1190
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: see your neighbor like struggling, like help him, you know,

1191
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 1: Like it's been such a weird thing with you know,

1192
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: and the masks and not seeing people smiles and just

1193
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 1: seeing people's terrified eyes. Like that's something I really realized

1194
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: and like, man, that's not that's not normal for humans.

1195
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: Like we need that, we need that love and compassion

1196
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 1: and embracement. And I think it's just you know, it's

1197
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 1: like maybe a little hippie dibbie, but she's gotta like

1198
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: spread love, you know, like give people that because that's

1199
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 1: that's what truly needs to be done right now, you know. Yeah,

1200
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: and it's good to see that you that you guys

1201
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,919
Speaker 1: are thinking of solutions and you know, like what Carter

1202
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: Country meets. We need to explain kind of what that

1203
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 1: is and and then talking about is it is that scalable?

1204
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: Is that a part of a solution for your community,

1205
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 1: ranching community. I believe that it's you know, what we're

1206
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 1: creating Carter Country me is. You know, we have a

1207
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 1: we have an amazing you know, I'm in the big

1208
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,479
Speaker 1: Horn basin there's twenty thousand head of cattle. Not saying

1209
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 1: my cows are any better than my neighbors, Like they

1210
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: all eat the same thing, you know, and we we

1211
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: provide a great product, this beef. You know, we've we've

1212
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: we were just selling direct to consumer now, which I

1213
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: mean obviously it was a perfect time to launch our

1214
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 1: online store during this pandemic. We literally like like we've

1215
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: been going wholesale for like six years and then you know,

1216
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: we had a really good team together now and we

1217
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 1: were able to go online direct and it was a

1218
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 1: perfect time. But the whole idea behind this is creating

1219
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 1: a template that we can place in other communities, other

1220
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 1: ranching communities, and and it basically is just like giving

1221
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 1: the rancher selling direct consumer, giving the rancher a premium

1222
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 1: for his product guaranteed, like buying our neighbors cows, processing

1223
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 1: them locally and then giving them to the people. And

1224
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: I think if we could take that, you know, so

1225
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: we didn't have to worry about come out a d

1226
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: and he could just like, oh, well, I know I'm

1227
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 1: getting this next year, not like wondering if he's gonna

1228
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 1: get paid. You know. It's like really and my brothers

1229
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: like the wizard behind all of this, and he could

1230
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: go way more in depth than I can. But the

1231
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 1: overall gist is just like creating a template that's gonna work,

1232
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 1: not just intensely, it's gonna work everywhere, you know. And

1233
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's a lot of work in progress.

1234
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 1: But we have great companies we work with um Yet

1235
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 1: he's been huge for us. You know. We we did

1236
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 1: a collaboration with them, shipping in their coolers, and I

1237
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 1: can't I can't speak highly enough of how they've really

1238
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 1: stepped up and supported us and and backed us, and

1239
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 1: I mean open more doors for me in my career

1240
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 1: than I can even explain just across the board. And

1241
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 1: I think it's bridging that gap and like not you know,

1242
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 1: not telling somebody what to do, but just like showing

1243
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 1: them maybe how I do it, and like what works,

1244
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 1: because you're not gonna like yell at somebody and convince

1245
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: him to do something, you know, it's like show him. Well,

1246
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, the ranch commun it's it's it's

1247
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 1: a service community. They're servicing the food system right there,

1248
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 1: creating this food and they're they're thinking, I'm gonna get

1249
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: value for this product I'm creating. They're not marred. I've

1250
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 1: never been a rancher. Like I'm great at marketing. I

1251
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 1: don't have time. They don't have time. They don't have time. Man.

1252
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: It's it's been a perfect storm with my brother and

1253
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 1: myself because he always stayed on the ranch, created an

1254
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 1: amazing family with his wife Andrea and his three little boys,

1255
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: and he stayed there and it has been their grinding

1256
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 1: since I've been off, you know, traveler and galibant the

1257
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 1: world rich people stuff. Uh No, I'm just kidding kind of,

1258
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Speaker 1: but we'll get into some of that. I get, you know,

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Speaker 1: I've been able to really bridge the gap with um

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Speaker 1: his knowledge of an authentic rancher, my knowledge of growing

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Speaker 1: up on a ranch and understanding but then also bringing

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01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 1: like my world of of insanely good marketing in the

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01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 1: snowboarding industry and action sports and like putting these two

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Speaker 1: worlds together, and like that's why, Like I look at

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Speaker 1: my team that or our team that we've built for

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01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 1: card Crunchy Meats, and it's like Sean black Well, he

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01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 1: was my ext team manager that Arbor, who was an

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01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 1: amazing marketing like he built Arbor up like over the

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Speaker 1: past five years and super successful. Tina Goff who's behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes, she worked at Arbor. She's all of our

1271
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 1: like numbers and like crunching and like distribution. Uh Nate

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01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 1: Singer who we met through another one of my sponsors,

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01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 1: who's our our butcher who's consulted on on everything that

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01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 1: we do beef wise, like super talented from Wyoming. Met

1275
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 1: him in Denver, Asher Coles, who's like he's Sean. They

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01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 1: have a marketing agency, black Holes, and and it's like

1277
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 1: he's a photographer videographer editor, and so like bringing those

1278
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 1: worlds together has just like this perfect storm of like

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01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 1: marketing and and it looks clean and it's just like

1280
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Speaker 1: we complement each other. Well that's good. I mean, I

1281
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 1: was just pulling up your website. Your brother says on here.

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Speaker 1: Our goal is to create a new food model that

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01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 1: incorporates our regecative land and ranching practices with sustainable delivery

1284
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 1: options to deliver the highest quality beef directly to your doorstep. Yeah,

1285
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 1: and bad and and and the thing is it's expensive.

1286
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 1: You know, it's like expensive to do this, Like people

1287
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 1: need need to understand that it's expensive to create food.

1288
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 1: And like the meat is expensive. I'm not gonna lie,

1289
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 1: Like it's expensive, and that's the problem. So it's like

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01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 1: how do we lower those costs but yet still be

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01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 1: able to survive? You know? And I think that's the model.

1292
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 1: And um, that goes against what we've you know, in

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01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 1: your in your dad's lifetime, my dad's lifetime, what we

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01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 1: built with processed food, and and that the processed food

1295
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 1: economy was like economy of scale, How much how much

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01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 1: of this can we create? How quickly can we get

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01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 1: it out there? And how many people will eat it,

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01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 1: and then it's got to be if if, if they're

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Speaker 1: going to eat it at this scale, it's got to

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01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 1: be the cost has to be driven down so more

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01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 1: people will buy it. And here we are, and that

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01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 1: goes against what you're talking about, which is I have

1303
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 1: to work hard for this. I have to make I

1304
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 1: want to make this quality. And what more, what's more

1305
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 1: important to be a quality environment than our food system?

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01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:01,439
Speaker 1: The most important. I could have this chair, I could

1307
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:02,920
Speaker 1: sit and cold fall a parble. I'm sitting in it,

1308
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 1: and I would be upset, but I just get a

1309
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: new one. But if I'm eating something that is not

1310
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 1: like we have not invested into it and put everything

1311
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 1: we can into it. Listen, you only have one problem

1312
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 1: when you're hungry, and I mean that's just that, that's it.

1313
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 1: And so I think, yeah, I don't I don't know

1314
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:26,959
Speaker 1: what the solutions are. But searching, you know, and having

1315
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 1: our c On the other end, man like his his mind,

1316
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 1: it's always going it's like yeah, but it's good. It's good. Listen,

1317
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 1: to come from like you said, come from a ranching family,

1318
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 1: come from a ranch community, and kind of be able

1319
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 1: to see see more, to see more than just tensely

1320
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 1: more than just as to look and see the culture

1321
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 1: and see how the society is moving and see how

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01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 1: you know, our economy is moving and be able to

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01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 1: move within it and still make a good business. It

1324
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 1: is pretty amazing given where you are. Right, it's been good, man,

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01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 1: it's been good, you know, and it's uh, it's rewarding

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01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 1: to see, you know, and I mean feeding people quality

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01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 1: food and like it just feels really good, you know.

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01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 1: And we we do a bunch of like, you know,

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01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:12,439
Speaker 1: anytime we can help donation to foundation that we believe in. Man,

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01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 1: we'd like get on that, like help people, like everybody's hungry,

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01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 1: you know. And so it just boils down to being good,

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01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 1: being kind, respectful, you know, I don't know. I mean

1333
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 1: it runs through how many business has you involved into

1334
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 1: You'll never be able to count. I'm involved in a

1335
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 1: lot of business, see like there Like like so I'm

1336
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 1: an approach CBD water. You gave us your feeding us

1337
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 1: some sort of what was they giving you, like a

1338
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 1: gel thing out of a pack? Hanawan? They make this

1339
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 1: amazing like botanical supplement. Hanawan is amazing and they source

1340
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 1: all their and they source all their ingredients from like

1341
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 1: India and Bhutan. My friend Joel is like, he's an

1342
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 1: amazing I mean, it's really league ad product. And I've

1343
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 1: just like curated my sponsors through things I can really

1344
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 1: talk about and it's not for the paycheck. It's like

1345
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 1: what do I believe in? You know, like because I

1346
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 1: think it reflects in like my priorities and things that

1347
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:17,599
Speaker 1: that I want my life. And I'm like, heck, man,

1348
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 1: I want to bacon sponsor. How do I do that?

1349
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 1: I got one man, Tender Belly, Like I met these guys,

1350
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 1: I met these sponsors. I was like, man, they make

1351
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 1: the best. So like Tender Belly, I'm not involved, but

1352
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 1: like those guys, you know, the north Face has been

1353
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 1: with me since I've been on the north Face Global

1354
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 1: team for oh Man twelve years. Ish Um Arbor Snowboards

1355
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 1: um involved in another company, uh protect and it's this

1356
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 1: amazing um sunscreen company that's that's that's coming out. Yeah,

1357
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 1: so Mark Keeley's involved in that, and so like those

1358
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:52,639
Speaker 1: guys kind of brought me in. I'm really excited about that.

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01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 1: Good dudes, Um, I mean there's just kind of a

1360
01:08:56,120 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 1: big list. Dude, like trigger, what do you do? How

1361
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 1: do you do it? What are you doing? Do you

1362
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 1: slow down a little bit? Maybe? Know? You know what

1363
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 1: what I'm what I'm good at is saying no and

1364
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 1: I'll just check out And how did you come hang

1365
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:10,640
Speaker 1: out with us? One of the what a lot of

1366
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:12,640
Speaker 1: stuff going on, you know, one of the excuses of

1367
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,599
Speaker 1: being like a rancher. It's like the greatest thing with

1368
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 1: all like everybody trying to get ahold of me. I'm like, man,

1369
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:21,839
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm busy. Man, I'm ranching, and so like everybody,

1370
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 1: they're not pissed. They know I'm like playing Xbox or something.

1371
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:26,720
Speaker 1: And even if I'm not ranching, I'll just be like, yeah,

1372
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:28,680
Speaker 1: I'm busy, man, Like I don't trail with cows or

1373
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 1: something like. They're like, okay, yeah, we understand, Carter. You

1374
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 1: must just like get it before every morning and just

1375
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 1: work so hard. I'm like, yeah, hell yeah I do.

1376
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 1: I'm in my stretch stretchy pants. Is like had to

1377
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 1: go shoot my bow a little bit. I don't know, dude.

1378
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 1: It's like I think it's important to to make the

1379
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 1: calls and what I do, and I think I've been

1380
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 1: really good at you know, I've gotten better at it

1381
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 1: and saying no, and just understanding my capabilities and my bandwidth,

1382
01:09:55,479 --> 01:10:00,160
Speaker 1: so I'm not like just just killing my battery. Have

1383
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 1: to recharge and like for me, isolation and nature is

1384
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 1: so important in me recharging my battery. And I've always

1385
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 1: been like a kid like that. I'm like, uh, you know, introvert,

1386
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 1: but extrovert. I think it's called it amnivert or something.

1387
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 1: I just heard something that make that up right now,

1388
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:23,600
Speaker 1: let's go with it. But it's I really love you

1389
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:26,840
Speaker 1: Google that please, I really love being around people on it.

1390
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 1: But a man, I need my like solitude and and

1391
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:33,439
Speaker 1: just being out there. I'll go walk around the desert

1392
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:35,880
Speaker 1: all day by myself and grip my dirt bike out there.

1393
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 1: I might have got that from my brother too. He's

1394
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 1: pretty smart to learn lots of words and ship. I

1395
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:43,320
Speaker 1: was like crepuscular, pucular. I like to make things up.

1396
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 1: This is from time to time as well as long

1397
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 1: as you say with confidence, like people like what are

1398
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 1: you gonna? Sound great? You're gonna it's all it's all confidence.

1399
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 1: But yeah, man, but I think like called the Guthrie.

1400
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 1: Oh boy, if I can't really know, I can't. I

1401
01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:01,439
Speaker 1: wish I could have gu three on um Yeah, So

1402
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 1: I just want to say this to you, and I

1403
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 1: think like part of why I want people to get

1404
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 1: to know you before I got to actually know the

1405
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 1: last couple of days, because I knew kind of from

1406
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 1: so many people that knew you, and so many people

1407
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 1: that that spoke about your energy and like what you

1408
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 1: bring to the table. And then you start to see,

1409
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 1: you start to see and hear and feel your energy

1410
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 1: and passion for stuff, and then you take it a

1411
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 1: step further, like all the relationships you have with all

1412
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:36,800
Speaker 1: these really important, really influential people across the board, man,

1413
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:43,719
Speaker 1: and you've turned that equation into a life. All these

1414
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 1: all these absolutely incredible people are fucking sucking up your

1415
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 1: energy and doing cool stuff. You're doing it together, You're

1416
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:53,599
Speaker 1: doing it. You know, you have stories of of sailing

1417
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 1: the world with Ian Walsh, right, Travis Rice, Travis Rice,

1418
01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:59,839
Speaker 1: but Ian Yeah, Ian to Ian's a good homie. Yeah,

1419
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 1: you've got good justin timber Lakes at homie. Yeah, j T,

1420
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 1: j T. We gotta get him shooting the ball. Shout out, Um,

1421
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 1: he's probably listening, that's JD. But that's one thing I

1422
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 1: was picking up as you're telling all these stories. It's

1423
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 1: not you're not name dropping. It's just your life. You've

1424
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:19,479
Speaker 1: taken your energy the way you do things and and

1425
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:24,440
Speaker 1: and impacted you know, countless people that are are themselves

1426
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:27,800
Speaker 1: quite impactful. I mean, yeah, I don't don't. I'm not

1427
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 1: gonna take credit for any of those guys. I would

1428
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 1: expect you to play. I'm like, wow, man, I like, uh,

1429
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 1: I have nothing's happening, and I have an extraordinary, extraordinary

1430
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:41,640
Speaker 1: group of people, um names and unnamed, you know, and

1431
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:46,560
Speaker 1: I'm I'm very fortunate to surround myself. And you know,

1432
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 1: it's a choice, you know, like I don't have time

1433
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 1: for for bullshit. I don't have time for people that

1434
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 1: are going to dream me and suck my energy. Um,

1435
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 1: I really want to about be around people that care

1436
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 1: and and because I'm a loving person man, like I

1437
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 1: really like, if you're my friend, I want to give

1438
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 1: my all, like I'll do anything for you, Like I'm

1439
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 1: I'm yes, yes, sir, yes, let's do this until it's no.

1440
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 1: You know, I'm hinding intensely branching. But um, I think

1441
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 1: it's really important when you surround yourself with and if

1442
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:18,720
Speaker 1: you surround yourself with negativity, then you know, that's what

1443
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 1: you're going to project. And I think I really try

1444
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:24,640
Speaker 1: to be around positive people. And I mean not that

1445
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:26,760
Speaker 1: it's all the time, and I try to uplift people

1446
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:31,560
Speaker 1: as well, but man, negativity is just a cancer. Like

1447
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 1: that ship kills me when people are just negative. I'm like, man,

1448
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:40,680
Speaker 1: this is beautiful, like you're breathing, we're outside, Like your

1449
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:43,799
Speaker 1: priorities are all off, man, because like living the present

1450
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 1: and enjoy what we have. This is an amazing ride.

1451
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 1: And it could be just like gone so quick, man.

1452
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 1: And I've seen it, like people just gone and there's

1453
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 1: no rhyme or reason. You're just gone, dude. It's like

1454
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:57,600
Speaker 1: get busy living, you know, dude, I would tell you.

1455
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:00,400
Speaker 1: And that's it's a common thread of people don't hear

1456
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:02,760
Speaker 1: that it's successful, not only successful in the way that

1457
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:04,640
Speaker 1: like what they do, but how they live and how

1458
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:07,400
Speaker 1: they move through the world and how they constructed their life. Right.

1459
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 1: And we we had Matt best On and Omara Vila.

1460
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 1: I know you kind of know of those guys, you

1461
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:14,640
Speaker 1: know what they what they're about, right, And I like,

1462
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:17,080
Speaker 1: and I was we were talking about this in other episodes.

1463
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 1: I was I came into that kind of wanting to

1464
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 1: construct this narrative about the gun culture and social media

1465
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 1: and get these guys to talk about and it's these

1466
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 1: are issues that we need to talk about. But there's

1467
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:30,600
Speaker 1: there that they're incredibly successful people that have triumphed in

1468
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:35,960
Speaker 1: ways that you have to. And they said what you said, like, hey, positivity,

1469
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:38,519
Speaker 1: man like, take anything, any challenge, and turn it into

1470
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 1: something that will drive you forward. And culturally we're struggling

1471
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 1: with that, man Like, as a country, we're struggling with that. Yeah,

1472
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 1: I agree. I think you know, the earlier you can

1473
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 1: learn how to take a beating, the better because that's life. Like,

1474
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 1: it's the most unpredictable thing and cruel thing, but it's

1475
01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:00,680
Speaker 1: how you respond to it. Well, yeah, respond and how

1476
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:02,760
Speaker 1: you come out of a situation. It's not like you know,

1477
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 1: you can be in these like really horrible situations you're like,

1478
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:08,120
Speaker 1: oh life on this is like this is so bad,

1479
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:12,160
Speaker 1: But don't let that affect you on the outcome, you know,

1480
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 1: like that's your choice, Like you can control that, you

1481
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:19,760
Speaker 1: can control your emotions, um and and it's just being

1482
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 1: conscious of that. And like, really, self reflection is a

1483
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 1: huge thing for me, and like looking at yourself and

1484
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 1: being like, well, what am I doing? Like listening I

1485
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 1: and that just comes back to being open, like I

1486
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't think it's good to read comments

1487
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:37,519
Speaker 1: because it's so much negativity projected and I'm just like

1488
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:39,320
Speaker 1: that I don't have like I'm not going to live

1489
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:41,160
Speaker 1: let that live in my head like an off time

1490
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 1: for that, you know, And I think just kill people

1491
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:48,640
Speaker 1: with kindness, you know. It's just like it's de de escalates,

1492
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:51,519
Speaker 1: Like people don't even like it's so easy to react

1493
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 1: on anger as well, like yeah, I just get piste

1494
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:57,720
Speaker 1: and yell back. But if you're just like, hey man,

1495
01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:00,200
Speaker 1: like you need to hug or something, and first, like

1496
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:03,160
Speaker 1: some rancher, you're like all gnarly. Like my brother was like,

1497
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:04,680
Speaker 1: hey man, you need a hug, and you would not

1498
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:08,760
Speaker 1: expect that, but like you watch it just people are like, oh,

1499
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:13,240
Speaker 1: maybe that should be nicer. We're just in bear camp

1500
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 1: and you can't like it's it's it's the time that

1501
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:17,680
Speaker 1: we're in. You can't help but talk about there's a

1502
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:19,920
Speaker 1: lot of times where you know, I know you didn't

1503
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 1: post black square. I post the black Square. But the

1504
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:26,479
Speaker 1: point is kind of there's times when there's news. There's

1505
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 1: always bad news. Right, there's always things that kind of

1506
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 1: are out there that you can pick up one you

1507
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 1: can they can be part of your life's narrative, or

1508
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:35,639
Speaker 1: they can just be like out happening in the ether.

1509
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 1: But now I just feel like there's so much going on,

1510
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 1: there's so much intensity around these this negativity that we're

1511
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 1: talking about in bear Camp. We're hanging around in the

1512
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:45,679
Speaker 1: most beautiful meadow in the world talking about this stuff.

1513
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 1: Because one, it's important and relevant, but it's it's also

1514
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:51,240
Speaker 1: an interesting thing to try to solve in your own

1515
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 1: personal life. But then for people around we care. We

1516
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:56,640
Speaker 1: care about people, We care about what's going on. You

1517
01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:00,720
Speaker 1: care when you see people hurting and you know, responding

1518
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:03,800
Speaker 1: in these ways, and you know it's social media for me,

1519
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 1: isn't the platform to talk about that, you know, because

1520
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 1: you know it's just it's godless, you know, social media

1521
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:14,760
Speaker 1: is so I don't know, I've just really it just

1522
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:18,160
Speaker 1: I haven't been into it late. Honestly, it's like worse

1523
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:20,439
Speaker 1: than the news now because it's like a really a

1524
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 1: lot of negative and I think the more you feed

1525
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:26,360
Speaker 1: into that negative energy and and and it's easy for

1526
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 1: me to say living in Wyoming and being able to

1527
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 1: go walk outside and like put my feet in the

1528
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:33,599
Speaker 1: dirt and just really see the beauty in this world.

1529
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 1: But uh, I think that's the disconnection is is people

1530
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 1: aren't taking their shoes off and putting their feet in

1531
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:43,000
Speaker 1: the dirt. You know, you're standing on cement, You're ungrounded.

1532
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:45,240
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things that are going on that

1533
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 1: are feeding this and people like, I mean, people have

1534
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:50,599
Speaker 1: a right to be pissed, like funk man Like, there's

1535
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:54,360
Speaker 1: some things going on that But I always try to

1536
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:56,720
Speaker 1: put myself in somebody else's shoes and see why why

1537
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 1: are you? Why are you acting this way? And and

1538
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:01,400
Speaker 1: I never have an opinion on something that I know

1539
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 1: nothing about. So for me to even say anything that

1540
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:07,560
Speaker 1: I know nothing about, I mean, that's just disingenuous. So

1541
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:10,960
Speaker 1: I just try to talk my truth and talk about

1542
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:14,000
Speaker 1: things that I know because I'm not I'm not from

1543
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:15,320
Speaker 1: the city. I've been in the city. I know ship

1544
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 1: about the city. Man, Like, all I know is like

1545
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 1: they have pretty good food. What about all those hipsters

1546
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:24,479
Speaker 1: and bosm. I'm like, they have good foods, man, and

1547
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:28,840
Speaker 1: the best they have the best restaurants, man. And I

1548
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 1: love I love diversity, man like I love diversity. I

1549
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:35,760
Speaker 1: love seeing all every walk of life. That's why I

1550
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 1: love traveling in like airports like Amsterdam Airport. Man, Like

1551
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:42,000
Speaker 1: you should sit there and you see every everybody on

1552
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:45,320
Speaker 1: this in this planet, but there's one common factors, like

1553
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:47,439
Speaker 1: we're all walking on two legs, dude, we're all like

1554
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:51,920
Speaker 1: the same tribe here. And like the unity thing. I

1555
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 1: know it's so hard, but I I would love to

1556
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:57,400
Speaker 1: see more unity with them, just like people seeing each

1557
01:18:57,439 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 1: other for what we are and not like did these

1558
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 1: division and in your tribe and my tribe. It's like

1559
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:05,639
Speaker 1: I bet if we were all hungry together, we would

1560
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:07,519
Speaker 1: all sit down at the table and we'd all eat

1561
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:10,679
Speaker 1: and we could all find common ground to talk about something.

1562
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:13,080
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, breaking bread with someone that

1563
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 1: it taught is a totally different view of yours. But

1564
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 1: not like in a way of I want to change

1565
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 1: your mind. I want to know your mind. Like I'm

1566
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:23,800
Speaker 1: gonna give you my mind and you give me yours,

1567
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:27,879
Speaker 1: and I just help me understand. And I think that's

1568
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 1: just how you learn. Don't ever go in with expectations

1569
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:33,720
Speaker 1: and assumptions man Like, assumptions are generalizations. Assumptions are the

1570
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:37,920
Speaker 1: most dangerous thing, and I think that's like the precursor

1571
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:42,639
Speaker 1: to discrimination. Yeah, you can't, like, you can't generalize, dude,

1572
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:46,599
Speaker 1: because we're so like multi I mean, there's so many

1573
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:50,519
Speaker 1: multifacets to the human race and just everything. It's like

1574
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 1: everybody's different. Everybody has the mind and the soul, and

1575
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 1: it's just like to to call people one thing and

1576
01:19:57,320 --> 01:19:58,760
Speaker 1: that's what you aren't put them in a box. I

1577
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 1: was like ugly man day dress. Well, you and your

1578
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 1: family like you. If there's anybody in the world who

1579
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:09,120
Speaker 1: could have wanted to be a victim or or grow

1580
01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:11,599
Speaker 1: up angry and frustrated about their situation, it's a third

1581
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:16,960
Speaker 1: generation rancher, intensely wyoming running cattle acres because it's a

1582
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:20,080
Speaker 1: system that's not it's breaking down for you. Yeah, and

1583
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 1: I mean, but I mean, honestly, dude, I am. I mean,

1584
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 1: I don't want to sound like a victim at all,

1585
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:30,360
Speaker 1: but because I mean I was born into that ranch.

1586
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 1: I didn't work for that ranch. My dad and my

1587
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:35,479
Speaker 1: grandpa did. And I was like that generation risk there

1588
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:38,280
Speaker 1: was I wouldn't have given to me. We earned it.

1589
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:40,160
Speaker 1: But I don't feel like I've even come close to

1590
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:44,960
Speaker 1: earning that ranch. I mean we really nobody earned owns

1591
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 1: anything in the world, Like if you really look at it,

1592
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 1: like stand back, we're all here renting ship. Like we

1593
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:53,400
Speaker 1: don't own nothing. Like you can have a big ranch

1594
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:57,120
Speaker 1: and all this stuff, we're here renting it because you're temporary. Man.

1595
01:20:57,160 --> 01:20:59,320
Speaker 1: Every buddy, our buddy Dug Durren has a T shirt.

1596
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:02,479
Speaker 1: It's not as it's our turn that it's exactly right.

1597
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:04,400
Speaker 1: It's right, it's exactly right. And I think when people

1598
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:09,680
Speaker 1: are like mine, that's mine, I'm like for now, you know.

1599
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:13,639
Speaker 1: But I mean I feel like extremely privileged to even

1600
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 1: have grown up working as hard as I did. But

1601
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:19,280
Speaker 1: I mean I grew up with opportunity, man, Like I

1602
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 1: had that security of that ranch no matter how hard

1603
01:21:22,439 --> 01:21:24,400
Speaker 1: it was. Maybe it was a burden like given you know,

1604
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:25,840
Speaker 1: I was like, ah, sho, do I want to ranch?

1605
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:32,240
Speaker 1: But I wasn't someone there was like I got nothing else, man,

1606
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 1: I got the street and I got these shoes. So

1607
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:37,760
Speaker 1: for me to speak upon that, it's really hard for

1608
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:40,200
Speaker 1: me because I don't know what that's like because I

1609
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:42,480
Speaker 1: did have a lot of a lot of like opportunities

1610
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:46,000
Speaker 1: through that and and and still to this day. But

1611
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 1: I just recognized them, and I anytime I saw an opportunity,

1612
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 1: I recognized it and I was like, I'm going to

1613
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:56,920
Speaker 1: do everything that I can to like make this thing,

1614
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:00,920
Speaker 1: to capitalize on that. Man, Yeah, you plant those seeds.

1615
01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:02,640
Speaker 1: What do you think about your brother's kids and you

1616
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 1: don't have a good kids? I gotta slap them around

1617
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:08,920
Speaker 1: from timetimes? What's uncle? What's Uncle? Mark? Look, dude, I'm cool,

1618
01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:11,160
Speaker 1: I know it. So like I'm like the dude that

1619
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 1: rolls up and sits at the kids table, Like I'd

1620
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:15,920
Speaker 1: rather sit the kid's table and go jump on the

1621
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 1: trampoline talk some ship with the kids. Like that's that's

1622
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:21,000
Speaker 1: my jam, you know, like all the uncles. You know,

1623
01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:23,240
Speaker 1: I'm I'm still like single and I don't have a

1624
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 1: I've kind of devoted my life to snowboarding at this point,

1625
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:31,120
Speaker 1: and it's, uh, it's easier that way. And maybe I'm um, um,

1626
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 1: you know, I I'm kind of selfish too in a way.

1627
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:37,680
Speaker 1: I'm I'm honest, but I love being an uncle and

1628
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 1: I love my sister's kids, both my sister's kids, um,

1629
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 1: And it's really cool to like go out and work

1630
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:46,120
Speaker 1: with the kids because I grew up working next to

1631
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:47,880
Speaker 1: my family, you know, and that's a that's a very

1632
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 1: special thing when you can bleed, just get dipped and

1633
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:55,799
Speaker 1: ship with your family, you know, work hard and understand

1634
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:57,840
Speaker 1: what it takes you builds like this bond that you

1635
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:02,559
Speaker 1: just unbreakable. And um to do that with my nephews

1636
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 1: and stuff now is so rad. Like I take my

1637
01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:09,439
Speaker 1: uh my sister's kids, Carter and Kendrick and Elizabeth, her daughter,

1638
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 1: and I'll take them down like when my dad is

1639
01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:14,960
Speaker 1: like loading a bunch of his crazy cows and Brandon

1640
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:16,400
Speaker 1: and stuff, and they're just with me, and they're like

1641
01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 1: old enough now. Carter's Liz is like seventeen, Carter's fifteen,

1642
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 1: Kendas like thirteen, but their hands because they grew up

1643
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:26,360
Speaker 1: around cattle, they understand how livestock move and work. And

1644
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 1: and then I'm just like standing in the cradle like

1645
01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:29,680
Speaker 1: shorting all these cows and we're working. I was like,

1646
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:32,040
Speaker 1: this is awesome, man, But this is what it feels

1647
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:33,479
Speaker 1: like to have kids. I guess like kids that you

1648
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:36,599
Speaker 1: like taught something, you know, they worked on because they're

1649
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:40,240
Speaker 1: just it's really it's it's really rewarding. Yeah, and then

1650
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:42,680
Speaker 1: they think I'm pretty cool at least I think they do.

1651
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm just like I think, look at this guy,

1652
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:48,519
Speaker 1: look and then look at this selfie. But beyond that,

1653
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:52,679
Speaker 1: like I've really, I've really tried to open their minds

1654
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:54,599
Speaker 1: to like the rest of the of the world, because

1655
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:57,120
Speaker 1: Tensive is an amazing spot. Don't get me wrong, but

1656
01:23:57,200 --> 01:23:58,880
Speaker 1: it's like it's like anywhere you grow up. It's like

1657
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 1: it's one place, you know. I'm like, man, like, think

1658
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:05,479
Speaker 1: outside the box. I've traveled the world, and and I'll

1659
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:07,880
Speaker 1: bring him to like the my movie premieres or whatever,

1660
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:11,760
Speaker 1: to just see him experience this other side because it's

1661
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:14,800
Speaker 1: a hundred and eighty degrees of difference and to just

1662
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:19,560
Speaker 1: like maybe spark something in them to make them like

1663
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:22,840
Speaker 1: feel what I felt and just be like, man, really,

1664
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:24,680
Speaker 1: if you put your mind to something like you can

1665
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 1: you can kind of do anything. The mind and perseverance

1666
01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:31,680
Speaker 1: and sacrifice and just hard work. That's a powerful thing.

1667
01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:35,439
Speaker 1: And not giving up. But that's what the ranch taught me.

1668
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:38,160
Speaker 1: It's just you can't, like you can't give up. Like,

1669
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 1: where's the solution? My brother always says, He's like, I'm

1670
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:44,400
Speaker 1: not looking I'm looking for solutions here, all right, man, Like,

1671
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:47,760
Speaker 1: what's the solution. Okay, this is it. Let's let's move forward.

1672
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:51,120
Speaker 1: That didn't work, We're gonna do this. And then it

1673
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:54,040
Speaker 1: just helps you think outside of the box. And I

1674
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:57,439
Speaker 1: don't know, just I guess easier said than done, you know,

1675
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:01,479
Speaker 1: Like you know, those those kids, they're they're around, So

1676
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:04,920
Speaker 1: what's their generation going to go through? Like what, man,

1677
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:07,120
Speaker 1: what are they going to have to deal with? Oh? Man,

1678
01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine. I can't even imagine, you know,

1679
01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:12,680
Speaker 1: because we do live and I don't want to bring

1680
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:14,840
Speaker 1: all the negativity on this on this time we live

1681
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:16,920
Speaker 1: in because we live in the best time to I

1682
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:19,360
Speaker 1: mean they say we live in the best time to

1683
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 1: be alive economically. Um, like there's you're not looking over

1684
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:25,920
Speaker 1: your shoulder, like most people aren't looking over their shoulder,

1685
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:28,360
Speaker 1: like wondering if the boogeyman is gonna come get them,

1686
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:32,360
Speaker 1: you know, and you can push a button and get

1687
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:35,320
Speaker 1: anything you can order Amazon. I think it would be

1688
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 1: simpler to just be a hunter gatherer. But I see

1689
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:41,439
Speaker 1: all these outside things that I can't understand within the

1690
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:45,360
Speaker 1: younger generation of like social media and having all of

1691
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:50,320
Speaker 1: that stress of the information overload to like navigate that

1692
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:53,439
Speaker 1: like as a fourteen year old kid. Like, dude, I

1693
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:57,800
Speaker 1: remember it was hard enough to navigate when I was

1694
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 1: at that age or even you know what her age, teenagers,

1695
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:04,519
Speaker 1: young kids, But now they have all this information overload

1696
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:07,479
Speaker 1: and load, and I think of it is negative. So

1697
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:11,120
Speaker 1: how do you stay positive if you aren't just going

1698
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 1: outside and being present in nature and like turning all

1699
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:18,639
Speaker 1: that off and you're not getting a dose of that, man,

1700
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:21,439
Speaker 1: And and the majority of people are just looking at

1701
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:24,439
Speaker 1: their iPhones and computers and like that's where everything is.

1702
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:28,040
Speaker 1: Like everything is so easy, but it's not easy. Man,

1703
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:32,200
Speaker 1: there's a price all that ship. I don't know, dude,

1704
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:34,840
Speaker 1: Like I wouldn't want to be a kid, you know,

1705
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:36,920
Speaker 1: And that's why I like struggle. Like I would love

1706
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 1: to have kids. You know, I gotta have a wife first,

1707
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 1: but you know I would love I mean, it's a

1708
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:43,479
Speaker 1: beautiful thing. It's like the best thing that a person

1709
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:45,320
Speaker 1: can do. That's what my dad always says. The best

1710
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:47,439
Speaker 1: thing person could do is like you have children, you

1711
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:51,800
Speaker 1: watch them, you watch them grow and learn. But like

1712
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:54,560
Speaker 1: right now, man, I don't see how it kind of

1713
01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:59,000
Speaker 1: plays out. You know, give me give me a little

1714
01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:02,320
Speaker 1: time here, man, there is a I like you say

1715
01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:03,960
Speaker 1: that there's a price to pay, because we don't think

1716
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:05,559
Speaker 1: of it that way. We don't think of like all

1717
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:09,240
Speaker 1: the progress and technology. We think of it as only progress.

1718
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 1: We think of it is only something that's moving us forward,

1719
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:14,840
Speaker 1: that's making things easier. But there that it has a price,

1720
01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:17,519
Speaker 1: It has an exit mostly an existential price, but a

1721
01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:20,439
Speaker 1: physical price. I mean people are in blue blue glass,

1722
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:22,920
Speaker 1: blue light glasses because they're looking at screens too much.

1723
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:26,640
Speaker 1: That's the like a physical price to pay. But but

1724
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:31,240
Speaker 1: the existential mental price that you pay from like immersing

1725
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:35,519
Speaker 1: yourself in a world that isn't real is immense, man,

1726
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:37,880
Speaker 1: it's got to be. There's there's a give and take, man,

1727
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:43,840
Speaker 1: Like there there's a balance with everything, and I just

1728
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:46,840
Speaker 1: see it really not balanced right now, you know, like

1729
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:49,120
Speaker 1: in certain places there it is balanced and you see

1730
01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:51,479
Speaker 1: those people happy. You know. I think I think less

1731
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:53,840
Speaker 1: is more, you know, like I think if you if

1732
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:58,599
Speaker 1: you feed into the monster, the machine, it just wants

1733
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:01,040
Speaker 1: it just wants to consume m you. It wants you

1734
01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:04,760
Speaker 1: to consume all of everything it's spewing out and just

1735
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:07,519
Speaker 1: eating up and and buy and you need something new,

1736
01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:09,280
Speaker 1: and like, oh this thing is kind of getting a

1737
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:11,880
Speaker 1: whole throat out. It's like we're talking about our old people,

1738
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:14,639
Speaker 1: man like elderly, Like we live in a society where

1739
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:17,599
Speaker 1: we like they just like let them just like put

1740
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 1: them in a nursing home. Man, I'm like, whoa, that's

1741
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:22,600
Speaker 1: crazy to me. These are the the why is this?

1742
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:27,000
Speaker 1: This is wisdom? There's so like lived life experience, Like

1743
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:29,880
Speaker 1: those people should be living side by side these kids

1744
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:32,960
Speaker 1: and teaching them, teaching us, you know. And so like

1745
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:37,240
Speaker 1: we talked about our kids growing up, and if we're

1746
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:40,320
Speaker 1: not leading by example and we're putting our parents in

1747
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:43,800
Speaker 1: a home, like what are they seeing? They're seeing that

1748
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 1: that's okay, So why would they respect you? You know?

1749
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:49,599
Speaker 1: And I think there's a huge respect division right now,

1750
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:52,160
Speaker 1: and I think it has a lot of not like

1751
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:56,240
Speaker 1: it's actions, man like actions like what we're doing, you know.

1752
01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:58,840
Speaker 1: And um, I have a huge respect for communities that

1753
01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:01,799
Speaker 1: like there are communities that take care of their family,

1754
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:05,680
Speaker 1: lived together, like grandma lives with the the kids. Man Like,

1755
01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:08,680
Speaker 1: that's so cool. Yeah, I think that's so needed. That's

1756
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:10,719
Speaker 1: what we need. We need sense of community and purpose.

1757
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:12,439
Speaker 1: I feel strong about that too. I was telling you

1758
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:16,040
Speaker 1: breakfast today shot out the Phase Cafe and Literal that place,

1759
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:20,599
Speaker 1: blowing it and did some stuff like talk about somebody

1760
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:23,320
Speaker 1: who just just it does her. She just does her.

1761
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:25,160
Speaker 1: I never met her before. She's like, I just kind

1762
01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:27,280
Speaker 1: of like cook feel I'm just like I just throw

1763
01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:30,519
Speaker 1: some on the plate. Did I love her? It was

1764
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:33,160
Speaker 1: like Phase Choice. She's like, face Choice, what does that?

1765
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:35,400
Speaker 1: Whatever I want? And I was like, I love that.

1766
01:29:35,479 --> 01:29:37,320
Speaker 1: You're just like I want Phase Choice to give me that.

1767
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:41,799
Speaker 1: I want you to have a good I was impressed.

1768
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:47,120
Speaker 1: I was impressed. I was eating thinking about that waffle

1769
01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:51,200
Speaker 1: I was eating. Now I totally lost my track. Yeah,

1770
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:53,000
Speaker 1: well I told my dad my dad's retired, and I

1771
01:29:53,080 --> 01:29:57,120
Speaker 1: was like, man, you know, I think what I want

1772
01:29:57,680 --> 01:29:59,800
Speaker 1: and I want I want to be very clear, is

1773
01:29:59,840 --> 01:30:03,479
Speaker 1: for you spend all your money living the way you

1774
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:06,080
Speaker 1: want to live, in the way that you've earned to live.

1775
01:30:06,240 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 1: However many years you have left time being you know

1776
01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:14,880
Speaker 1: the big factor for everybody, And then come stay with me,

1777
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:18,280
Speaker 1: Just come on and then come stay with me, but

1778
01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:22,320
Speaker 1: but only when you're done doing and if you if

1779
01:30:22,360 --> 01:30:23,560
Speaker 1: you want to come live with me, and that's what

1780
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:25,200
Speaker 1: you want out of the next twenty years of your life,

1781
01:30:25,240 --> 01:30:29,680
Speaker 1: and that is also something that I want because it's

1782
01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:32,880
Speaker 1: just second. And it's also just you gotta pay it back, man,

1783
01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:36,400
Speaker 1: how much? And that's one thing I think about when

1784
01:30:36,439 --> 01:30:39,320
Speaker 1: we can talk about the culture, Like I feel enfranchised.

1785
01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:42,439
Speaker 1: I feel like I owe a debt to not only

1786
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:45,320
Speaker 1: my family, but my country and the people around me,

1787
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:47,720
Speaker 1: my community, the hunting community. I have a debt to

1788
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:50,360
Speaker 1: the hunting community for what the people in and have

1789
01:30:50,479 --> 01:30:52,720
Speaker 1: done for me. So I feel indebt. And that's why

1790
01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:54,840
Speaker 1: I gotta work for that, you know. So there's there's

1791
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:58,200
Speaker 1: part of that. I would hate to have to meet

1792
01:30:58,240 --> 01:31:01,520
Speaker 1: someone that doesn't feel that that the field that was disenfranchised,

1793
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:04,080
Speaker 1: that doesn't feel a debt, that feels like they've been

1794
01:31:04,240 --> 01:31:07,800
Speaker 1: screwed over and left behind, you know that. That's that's real,

1795
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:10,880
Speaker 1: I agree, And it happens all the time. Man. It's

1796
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:14,080
Speaker 1: you put yourself in their shoes and understand that, you know. Yeah,

1797
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:16,519
Speaker 1: it's tough, I mean, and and and part of it

1798
01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:19,680
Speaker 1: is to see for me to see I don't have

1799
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:22,439
Speaker 1: anything to pass. I'm like, I'm building something to pass

1800
01:31:22,479 --> 01:31:24,680
Speaker 1: down to my kids, you know, and I don't but

1801
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:28,519
Speaker 1: to see a ranch that will just as like kind

1802
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:31,639
Speaker 1: of like the beating heart of like your people. Man,

1803
01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:35,880
Speaker 1: that's cool, beautiful place. Man, I love it. I gotta

1804
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:43,240
Speaker 1: come down country. We don't get much company down to sixty.

1805
01:31:43,439 --> 01:31:45,479
Speaker 1: I've never been to Jackson either. I've gotta get down there.

1806
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:48,760
Speaker 1: Jackson's cool. There's a lot of people in Jackson. We'll

1807
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:52,960
Speaker 1: take your snowboarding. I've done that one like oncewice. I

1808
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:59,479
Speaker 1: think gonna be pretty, but I'll do anything like well,

1809
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:01,559
Speaker 1: it's always hate to like teach people to snowboard too.

1810
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:04,840
Speaker 1: It's like I'm not like a teacher. I'm pretty patient.

1811
01:32:05,080 --> 01:32:07,760
Speaker 1: I know, like one thing, like the best thing to do.

1812
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:11,160
Speaker 1: Like like a boyfriend wants to teach a girlfriend how

1813
01:32:11,200 --> 01:32:13,560
Speaker 1: to snowboard. I'm like, you listen, dude, get her a

1814
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:16,360
Speaker 1: lesson and do not teach her because you're just get pissed.

1815
01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:19,080
Speaker 1: Give her, get her lesson, get her like up, or

1816
01:32:19,160 --> 01:32:22,240
Speaker 1: give somebody a lesson. But I actually took Dudley John

1817
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:25,160
Speaker 1: Dudley snowboard. We had a great time. But that guy

1818
01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:28,800
Speaker 1: is crazy talent. So he's an athlete. Dude, he's like

1819
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:31,920
Speaker 1: this monster. He's like huge, he's like you know, and

1820
01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:34,920
Speaker 1: it was so funny. It was like stump and and

1821
01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:38,360
Speaker 1: Trevor and and Dudley. We went up to Brighton because

1822
01:32:38,360 --> 01:32:40,479
Speaker 1: he was this like trigger event and and I was like, man,

1823
01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:42,479
Speaker 1: I want to snowboard. I was like, all right, we'll

1824
01:32:42,479 --> 01:32:43,760
Speaker 1: set you up. So I got I got him like

1825
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:46,240
Speaker 1: this huge board from good Or. It was like a

1826
01:32:46,280 --> 01:32:48,599
Speaker 1: Gooch pro model from Arbor. I was like, what's your

1827
01:32:48,640 --> 01:32:51,400
Speaker 1: biggest board? And so I got this board. The first

1828
01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:53,280
Speaker 1: round it was so funny because the seat set up

1829
01:32:53,320 --> 01:32:56,200
Speaker 1: a stance and it was super it was super narrow,

1830
01:32:57,680 --> 01:32:59,519
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh boy. I was like, your

1831
01:32:59,560 --> 01:33:01,680
Speaker 1: stance is waiting there and he he really is like,

1832
01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:04,439
Speaker 1: oh my legs are so tired, like this is this

1833
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:05,960
Speaker 1: isn't good. And I was like, man, let's just wine

1834
01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:09,840
Speaker 1: your stands. And by like a couple runs me where

1835
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:12,439
Speaker 1: he was. I was like kind of blown away. But

1836
01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:15,840
Speaker 1: then he you know, obviously kind of gave me the archery,

1837
01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:18,080
Speaker 1: taught me the archery game, built me a bow, and

1838
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:20,599
Speaker 1: like that guy, I can't I can't thank him enough

1839
01:33:20,720 --> 01:33:23,640
Speaker 1: for for what he's done and why he just does

1840
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:26,360
Speaker 1: for people. Man, Like he's such as built a whole thing. Man,

1841
01:33:26,439 --> 01:33:29,679
Speaker 1: He's like he's such a he just builds custom bows

1842
01:33:29,720 --> 01:33:33,519
Speaker 1: for other people and sends him around. Was like yeah, yeah,

1843
01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:35,560
Speaker 1: I mean I hate to ask for anything, but I

1844
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:37,920
Speaker 1: really like to get into that. You know, like like

1845
01:33:37,960 --> 01:33:39,920
Speaker 1: we were talking about camp that he's a guy where

1846
01:33:40,120 --> 01:33:42,880
Speaker 1: there's such a void in the archery space. There's such

1847
01:33:43,160 --> 01:33:45,240
Speaker 1: you know, Joe's worked as a bow tech. There's a

1848
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:49,160
Speaker 1: there's a void of I want to get into archery

1849
01:33:49,320 --> 01:33:51,439
Speaker 1: and guys like you and me and everybody that wants

1850
01:33:51,479 --> 01:33:53,360
Speaker 1: to promote it to say like, go do it. And

1851
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:55,760
Speaker 1: then somebody goes there to local like not I'm not

1852
01:33:55,880 --> 01:33:59,519
Speaker 1: knocking local bow shops or pro shops, but the but

1853
01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:02,400
Speaker 1: it's hard. It's hard to get someone to to take

1854
01:34:02,479 --> 01:34:04,160
Speaker 1: the time with you that it. I mean, it takes

1855
01:34:04,200 --> 01:34:08,760
Speaker 1: a lot of timid dating to go in like it's

1856
01:34:08,800 --> 01:34:11,000
Speaker 1: it's like a humbling experience like learning something new. And

1857
01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:12,840
Speaker 1: that's why I really love it. But you go into

1858
01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:15,120
Speaker 1: like okay, imagine go in there. You're like, I'm the cook,

1859
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:18,000
Speaker 1: I'm the coop guy. Hit guys out in the lineup,

1860
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:22,200
Speaker 1: like trying to like what's the flushing? Is that cool?

1861
01:34:22,200 --> 01:34:23,920
Speaker 1: If I have water wings on? Man, it's just cool.

1862
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:27,680
Speaker 1: It's just when they're like, don't do that, what's the lineup. What, Oh,

1863
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:31,920
Speaker 1: it's my wave right smack uh. But yeah, man, it's like,

1864
01:34:32,520 --> 01:34:34,600
Speaker 1: did you think about surfing and golf and things like that.

1865
01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:37,280
Speaker 1: If you're bad at golf, the thing you might the

1866
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:40,479
Speaker 1: thing that you might do is, you know, hit somebody

1867
01:34:40,520 --> 01:34:41,720
Speaker 1: with the boy, you know, hit the guy in a

1868
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:43,840
Speaker 1: golf car with a ball or something, right, hit a

1869
01:34:43,880 --> 01:34:46,080
Speaker 1: ball and somebody else, Yeah, or get too drunk and

1870
01:34:46,320 --> 01:34:48,720
Speaker 1: just pass out by the bye. I feel like I

1871
01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:50,799
Speaker 1: have some ideas for golf to make it way cooler.

1872
01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:53,400
Speaker 1: We'll get into that sloating ball or something like that

1873
01:34:54,240 --> 01:34:58,040
Speaker 1: target shooting while you're going, you know, on the green. Um.

1874
01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:02,200
Speaker 1: But that those things have no like they have consequences.

1875
01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:05,559
Speaker 1: The only consequences are more of like a personal thing

1876
01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:10,000
Speaker 1: like in archery, the consequences of not being I felt

1877
01:35:10,040 --> 01:35:12,760
Speaker 1: this consequences all the time, even as somebody's hunting my

1878
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:14,320
Speaker 1: whole life. I feel them all the time, Like you

1879
01:35:14,360 --> 01:35:17,360
Speaker 1: didn't prepare for that. You fucked up. Oh man, you

1880
01:35:17,560 --> 01:35:20,479
Speaker 1: suck and now that animal is limping around. It's the

1881
01:35:20,520 --> 01:35:22,960
Speaker 1: worst feeling in the world because you do know it's

1882
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:27,160
Speaker 1: your fault, like you could have done more. And archeries

1883
01:35:27,200 --> 01:35:29,080
Speaker 1: like that, Yeah, I think you apply yourself. It's like

1884
01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:32,960
Speaker 1: the respect for the animals you're hunting and like putting,

1885
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:36,720
Speaker 1: like being proficient with that bow, you know. And I

1886
01:35:36,760 --> 01:35:40,040
Speaker 1: think that just comes with practice and you know, discipline

1887
01:35:40,120 --> 01:35:42,640
Speaker 1: and like shooting a lot, getting like and don't not

1888
01:35:42,760 --> 01:35:45,400
Speaker 1: taking something like don't do something you know you can't do,

1889
01:35:45,680 --> 01:35:48,720
Speaker 1: Like there's no guessing like maybe maybe I got here

1890
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:53,760
Speaker 1: twenty yards, which I think I got him feel yeah,

1891
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:57,280
Speaker 1: And that's that's that's that's the thing that Dudley has

1892
01:35:57,320 --> 01:35:59,360
Speaker 1: that like he has. The part of him that is

1893
01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:02,680
Speaker 1: a service to everyone is that like, hey, there is

1894
01:36:02,720 --> 01:36:05,040
Speaker 1: a process here, there is a way, there is this,

1895
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:08,000
Speaker 1: there is a craft, and you can't just you can't

1896
01:36:08,040 --> 01:36:10,040
Speaker 1: just want to do it. You have to put put

1897
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:13,080
Speaker 1: yourself into it and apply yourself. Man and his school

1898
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:15,840
Speaker 1: and knock online is so rad. Like that helped me

1899
01:36:15,920 --> 01:36:18,160
Speaker 1: ass Like I don't watch you too, but I like

1900
01:36:18,280 --> 01:36:22,720
Speaker 1: watched all the there's so many little little things with you.

1901
01:36:22,760 --> 01:36:27,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta learn energy and the like how

1902
01:36:28,240 --> 01:36:31,800
Speaker 1: energy is applied and you know how things move through air.

1903
01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:33,960
Speaker 1: You know, like all the things you kind of have

1904
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:36,439
Speaker 1: to learn to understand of it. So if it makes

1905
01:36:36,439 --> 01:36:37,680
Speaker 1: it cool and then on the other end of it,

1906
01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:40,800
Speaker 1: if you're really good, you can get some meat. But

1907
01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:45,240
Speaker 1: like an angle, be pursuit and don't have any expectations.

1908
01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:49,840
Speaker 1: Do not do not. But I think you've we've talked

1909
01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:52,799
Speaker 1: about kind of we've swept through like all the badass

1910
01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:55,880
Speaker 1: ship but we got to talk about the one. Like

1911
01:36:55,960 --> 01:36:57,760
Speaker 1: it's not prominently that the one thing in your life

1912
01:36:57,840 --> 01:37:02,720
Speaker 1: that completely sucked, but it's a thing that I think, Ah,

1913
01:37:03,479 --> 01:37:05,120
Speaker 1: I'm glad we can talk about it because not a

1914
01:37:05,200 --> 01:37:07,120
Speaker 1: lot of people can talk about it. Yeah, I mean

1915
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:09,840
Speaker 1: it was a defining moment, man, Like it was a

1916
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:13,599
Speaker 1: defining moment, you know, like, yeah, a lot of people

1917
01:37:14,400 --> 01:37:16,959
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, I have I have three felonies,

1918
01:37:17,080 --> 01:37:19,200
Speaker 1: you know, hanging out with a felon. I'm a felon. Man,

1919
01:37:19,320 --> 01:37:22,000
Speaker 1: I'm a felon. I got uh we got cross ways,

1920
01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:24,599
Speaker 1: you know, it was it was a it was a crazy,

1921
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:27,960
Speaker 1: crazy time of my life. You know, got cross ways

1922
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:30,720
Speaker 1: with the federal government and they spanked us pretty hard.

1923
01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:33,479
Speaker 1: You know. It was a Yeah, I mean a little

1924
01:37:33,479 --> 01:37:36,920
Speaker 1: backstory was you know, growing up hunting my whole life,

1925
01:37:37,200 --> 01:37:40,720
Speaker 1: you know, Um, that was that was my passion, like

1926
01:37:40,840 --> 01:37:43,360
Speaker 1: my whole family's passion, my grandpa, like everybody this was,

1927
01:37:43,840 --> 01:37:46,559
Speaker 1: you know, and really like growing up respecting the animals

1928
01:37:46,640 --> 01:37:51,559
Speaker 1: and understanding how the whole system works and being being

1929
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:54,439
Speaker 1: a poor rancher, you know. And then so when I

1930
01:37:54,520 --> 01:37:57,320
Speaker 1: was about twenty years old, and we were great elk hunters,

1931
01:37:57,320 --> 01:37:58,800
Speaker 1: you know, I shot my my first elk when I

1932
01:37:58,840 --> 01:38:00,640
Speaker 1: was twelve years old and it was old moment and

1933
01:38:01,080 --> 01:38:03,599
Speaker 1: just hunted all the way through high school. Loved hunting, guns,

1934
01:38:03,720 --> 01:38:05,840
Speaker 1: everything that was my That was my passion. Man, that

1935
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:08,800
Speaker 1: was my life. And then I started pursuing the snowburn thing,

1936
01:38:09,880 --> 01:38:12,800
Speaker 1: still ranching, doing some other things. And my brother he

1937
01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:15,920
Speaker 1: graduated college, so he came back to the ranch and

1938
01:38:16,040 --> 01:38:18,080
Speaker 1: I mean the ranch, Like, dude, you ain't make any money,

1939
01:38:18,280 --> 01:38:21,439
Speaker 1: like he was poor, and so we're an opportunities, like hey,

1940
01:38:21,479 --> 01:38:23,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna be an outfitter, Like we're good

1941
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:26,160
Speaker 1: at hunting, like let's let's do some outfitting on the ranch,

1942
01:38:26,240 --> 01:38:28,439
Speaker 1: and like the elk that we had amazing elk hunting,

1943
01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:32,240
Speaker 1: like let's do this. And so obviously I was like, man,

1944
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:33,720
Speaker 1: that sounds like a pretty good idea, Like I can

1945
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:35,960
Speaker 1: make a little cash in in the in the fall,

1946
01:38:36,840 --> 01:38:39,720
Speaker 1: and so we started out. You know, he was the

1947
01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:42,160
Speaker 1: outfitter and I got my guide license and and the

1948
01:38:42,200 --> 01:38:44,000
Speaker 1: first couple of years, you know, it's pretty tough, like

1949
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:46,720
Speaker 1: because it's a draw, you know, and so we'd have

1950
01:38:46,760 --> 01:38:49,960
Speaker 1: a couple hunters, and like it was like it just

1951
01:38:50,200 --> 01:38:53,599
Speaker 1: wasn't you know, it needed to be more. Well then,

1952
01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:57,240
Speaker 1: you know, obviously he met this these guys from Oregon

1953
01:38:57,400 --> 01:39:01,400
Speaker 1: and they were like, hey, guys, like, well, can we

1954
01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:03,680
Speaker 1: buy your landowner tags? Like we'll pay you and then

1955
01:39:03,720 --> 01:39:05,560
Speaker 1: we'll just come out and we'll do the hunt. And

1956
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:07,479
Speaker 1: like they're gonna pay him. It wasn't crazy. I don't

1957
01:39:07,479 --> 01:39:08,760
Speaker 1: even know how much money it was, but I was

1958
01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:11,760
Speaker 1: getting like I'll cut a grand fall cash to go

1959
01:39:11,880 --> 01:39:15,120
Speaker 1: work for like you know, a month guiding. And then

1960
01:39:15,160 --> 01:39:17,560
Speaker 1: they'd have a few guys come out and and so

1961
01:39:17,800 --> 01:39:20,360
Speaker 1: the deal was if they didn't draw, they could use

1962
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:22,080
Speaker 1: one of our landowner tags because since we had all

1963
01:39:22,120 --> 01:39:26,080
Speaker 1: that land and if nobody knows about landowner tax, it's

1964
01:39:26,120 --> 01:39:29,559
Speaker 1: like in Wyoming that you cannot sell your land under tax,

1965
01:39:29,640 --> 01:39:32,400
Speaker 1: and we need that, you know. But like growing up

1966
01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:34,000
Speaker 1: in a small community like we grew up, and it

1967
01:39:34,160 --> 01:39:37,000
Speaker 1: wasn't Like I'm not gonna say it wasn't done. It

1968
01:39:37,160 --> 01:39:41,040
Speaker 1: wasn't done. You know, like people subsidize their ranch and

1969
01:39:41,200 --> 01:39:45,719
Speaker 1: certain things like during those times too, maybe Southern landowner tax.

1970
01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:48,559
Speaker 1: So but we had become an outfitter and we're like, well,

1971
01:39:48,640 --> 01:39:51,560
Speaker 1: let's try to do it almost by the book. So

1972
01:39:51,720 --> 01:39:54,840
Speaker 1: we'll we'll do these hunts and website and we'll do

1973
01:39:54,920 --> 01:39:57,320
Speaker 1: a few land under tags. So that's what we did.

1974
01:39:57,479 --> 01:39:59,880
Speaker 1: We were were you know, I think you know over

1975
01:40:00,040 --> 01:40:02,519
Speaker 1: because it was your brother, it was my brother and myself.

1976
01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:04,960
Speaker 1: Well my dad wasn't even involved. My dad was like

1977
01:40:05,320 --> 01:40:06,920
Speaker 1: it was his ranch. But so my dad, you know,

1978
01:40:06,920 --> 01:40:08,640
Speaker 1: he'd come up to hunting camp the ground. He he

1979
01:40:08,640 --> 01:40:10,040
Speaker 1: didn't know what was going on. My brother was like

1980
01:40:10,120 --> 01:40:12,400
Speaker 1: the outfitter. He dealt with it. I was the guy

1981
01:40:12,439 --> 01:40:14,559
Speaker 1: and I did a lot of cooking. Arc did mostly

1982
01:40:14,560 --> 01:40:16,760
Speaker 1: guiding as well. So we had this kind of like

1983
01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:19,720
Speaker 1: this idea that like the land attacks, it was like

1984
01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:22,200
Speaker 1: kind of a misdemeanor and like, I'm not gonna say

1985
01:40:22,240 --> 01:40:24,760
Speaker 1: I never broke the law. We weren't super concerned about it.

1986
01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:26,720
Speaker 1: Just in the environment we were in. You had to

1987
01:40:26,760 --> 01:40:29,240
Speaker 1: comparison to it, like having a couple of beers on

1988
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:31,920
Speaker 1: the way home from work, because how you thought, Yeah, yeah,

1989
01:40:31,960 --> 01:40:33,840
Speaker 1: it wasn't like it wasn't like a huge deal, Like

1990
01:40:33,960 --> 01:40:35,840
Speaker 1: it wasn't something that was really on my mind. But

1991
01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:38,400
Speaker 1: I knew I was breaking the law. But like in

1992
01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:41,720
Speaker 1: that environment, like as we were, we kind of I

1993
01:40:41,720 --> 01:40:45,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't say lived in a lawless land, but I mean

1994
01:40:45,960 --> 01:40:48,120
Speaker 1: my growing up, my deputy, the deputy sheriff was our

1995
01:40:48,160 --> 01:40:50,280
Speaker 1: football coach. So we were we got had a lot

1996
01:40:50,360 --> 01:40:53,080
Speaker 1: of reins man Like, it wasn't like this super regulated

1997
01:40:53,120 --> 01:40:55,519
Speaker 1: area where they're like, you're breaking the law, You're going

1998
01:40:55,560 --> 01:40:57,519
Speaker 1: to jail. And there was like, man, I you know,

1999
01:40:57,640 --> 01:40:59,439
Speaker 1: I did my share of drinking and getting into trouble

2000
01:40:59,479 --> 01:41:01,640
Speaker 1: as a kid, but there was a lot of just

2001
01:41:01,840 --> 01:41:05,240
Speaker 1: like understanding that these ranch kids are kind of wild

2002
01:41:05,320 --> 01:41:06,840
Speaker 1: and like, well just let him go, you know, like

2003
01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:08,639
Speaker 1: kind of good old boy, let him do his thing.

2004
01:41:09,160 --> 01:41:11,360
Speaker 1: Not that that's any excuse for what we did, but

2005
01:41:11,640 --> 01:41:13,160
Speaker 1: that's how we got in there. I was gonna make

2006
01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:15,240
Speaker 1: it clear to nobody's asking for excuses, just like what's

2007
01:41:15,240 --> 01:41:17,320
Speaker 1: your mindset? Well that was it wasn't a big deal.

2008
01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:19,600
Speaker 1: So this wasn't a big deal. In my mind, but

2009
01:41:19,720 --> 01:41:23,400
Speaker 1: I didn't know it was against law. How much against

2010
01:41:23,439 --> 01:41:25,880
Speaker 1: the law. That was something I did not know. So

2011
01:41:26,160 --> 01:41:28,200
Speaker 1: we go through, you know, we were probably a guide.

2012
01:41:28,280 --> 01:41:30,400
Speaker 1: You know, we guided these dudes for like four or

2013
01:41:30,439 --> 01:41:33,080
Speaker 1: five years, and then they had some friends come out

2014
01:41:33,320 --> 01:41:35,040
Speaker 1: and you know, if they couldn't make the hunt. And

2015
01:41:35,720 --> 01:41:37,960
Speaker 1: granted some of these guys were drawing tags, it wasn't

2016
01:41:38,040 --> 01:41:40,639
Speaker 1: just all land under stuff. I think over the course

2017
01:41:40,720 --> 01:41:43,840
Speaker 1: of eight years, maybe I don't know how the numbers,

2018
01:41:43,840 --> 01:41:46,200
Speaker 1: but it was it was less than eight tags got used,

2019
01:41:46,240 --> 01:41:51,040
Speaker 1: I think. Um. And so in like two thousand and ten,

2020
01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:53,240
Speaker 1: you know, I'm at the top of my my career.

2021
01:41:53,880 --> 01:41:57,400
Speaker 1: I'm traveling the world, I'm riding. I'm like, I'm like,

2022
01:41:57,680 --> 01:41:59,360
Speaker 1: but there was this weird thing in my life. I

2023
01:41:59,479 --> 01:42:02,680
Speaker 1: was like, I wasn't I was happy, but I was

2024
01:42:02,760 --> 01:42:04,760
Speaker 1: like a little unfulfilled, and I was really burnt out

2025
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:07,479
Speaker 1: on like guiding hunters. I was really burnt out on,

2026
01:42:07,640 --> 01:42:10,360
Speaker 1: Like that wasn't mine anymore. That wasn't for me. That

2027
01:42:10,479 --> 01:42:12,519
Speaker 1: was like hunting seasons coming and now it was for

2028
01:42:12,680 --> 01:42:15,360
Speaker 1: It was like I gotta go guide these guys, like okay, whatever,

2029
01:42:16,120 --> 01:42:22,040
Speaker 1: because they can be kind of you know difficult, and

2030
01:42:22,080 --> 01:42:23,880
Speaker 1: then the client servicing I'm not, like, I'm not a

2031
01:42:23,920 --> 01:42:27,000
Speaker 1: client service guy. So in about two I'll never forget.

2032
01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:31,880
Speaker 1: It was like in in June. June. I mean, yeah,

2033
01:42:31,920 --> 01:42:33,840
Speaker 1: I woke up one morning and there's like six or

2034
01:42:34,160 --> 01:42:37,720
Speaker 1: four federal agents in my my front door, and I

2035
01:42:37,800 --> 01:42:40,719
Speaker 1: was like, whoa, what do we do? And my brother

2036
01:42:40,880 --> 01:42:43,080
Speaker 1: he was out in any inkling and all that. No,

2037
01:42:46,120 --> 01:42:47,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, but I saw a game of fish. I

2038
01:42:47,920 --> 01:42:51,200
Speaker 1: was like, oh, like, what do we do? Like we

2039
01:42:51,320 --> 01:42:53,840
Speaker 1: did something? Like something, something's really bad. I just had

2040
01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:57,400
Speaker 1: this Like it was six and six am. So my

2041
01:42:57,479 --> 01:42:59,200
Speaker 1: brother said, he's out on the tractor at six am

2042
01:42:59,240 --> 01:43:02,440
Speaker 1: out like in the few old he sees like four suburbans,

2043
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:05,519
Speaker 1: maybe four or five suburbans coming down the road bumper

2044
01:43:05,560 --> 01:43:07,960
Speaker 1: to bumper. Black come in and he has like this

2045
01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:09,800
Speaker 1: ditch in his driveway and he said, these things hit

2046
01:43:09,880 --> 01:43:12,200
Speaker 1: this thing so hard, like they're bouncing like they jumped.

2047
01:43:12,520 --> 01:43:14,400
Speaker 1: And then all these dude jump out with you know,

2048
01:43:14,680 --> 01:43:17,719
Speaker 1: like federal agents guns drawn, boom all over his property

2049
01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:19,120
Speaker 1: and he's way out in the field and he's just

2050
01:43:19,160 --> 01:43:21,320
Speaker 1: starts cruising over in his tractor. He's like, what is

2051
01:43:21,400 --> 01:43:23,760
Speaker 1: going on? Here. It was like a full on raid,

2052
01:43:23,880 --> 01:43:27,519
Speaker 1: Like they had sixty They had sixty agents across the nation.

2053
01:43:28,080 --> 01:43:30,560
Speaker 1: Like they rated every hunter we had ever hunted with.

2054
01:43:31,479 --> 01:43:33,719
Speaker 1: So it was a coordinated Yeah, I was a coordinated effort.

2055
01:43:33,760 --> 01:43:36,680
Speaker 1: They had their you know, they had it dialed. So

2056
01:43:36,760 --> 01:43:38,760
Speaker 1: they came in hot Um and they sat down with

2057
01:43:38,840 --> 01:43:40,160
Speaker 1: me and they're like, what do you know about these

2058
01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:42,120
Speaker 1: you know, start talking to me. I can't remember exactly

2059
01:43:42,160 --> 01:43:44,479
Speaker 1: what the conversation was, but the guys that came in

2060
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:46,400
Speaker 1: were nice to me. Like, these dudes were pretty nice,

2061
01:43:46,400 --> 01:43:47,880
Speaker 1: you know. And they started to ask me questions and

2062
01:43:48,479 --> 01:43:50,200
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, man, like we have this

2063
01:43:50,280 --> 01:43:53,479
Speaker 1: hunting outfitting. He's like showing me pictures. So basically had

2064
01:43:53,520 --> 01:43:56,240
Speaker 1: a website and these animals that were legal they were

2065
01:43:56,280 --> 01:44:01,519
Speaker 1: on our website. So that's how much we knew. Yeah,

2066
01:44:01,800 --> 01:44:03,559
Speaker 1: so we had the website up, we had the animal

2067
01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:05,160
Speaker 1: the legal animals some of them were on there. And

2068
01:44:05,200 --> 01:44:06,800
Speaker 1: they're like, you know, what about about those guys? And

2069
01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:09,439
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, you know, I was so

2070
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:11,280
Speaker 1: freaked out. I didn't know what to say, you know,

2071
01:44:11,520 --> 01:44:14,680
Speaker 1: like I kind of admitted to some stuff, but I

2072
01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:17,040
Speaker 1: knew that I just kind of played dumb a little

2073
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:18,760
Speaker 1: bit too. I was like, I don't know, because I didn't.

2074
01:44:19,880 --> 01:44:23,280
Speaker 1: I knew we were fucked. Like it's some capacity here.

2075
01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:26,320
Speaker 1: So they do their thing and they take my cell

2076
01:44:26,360 --> 01:44:28,160
Speaker 1: phone and they take some stuff from me. And then

2077
01:44:28,200 --> 01:44:30,000
Speaker 1: I was like, whoa, that was crazy. I called my brother,

2078
01:44:30,080 --> 01:44:33,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, what is going on? He's like, and

2079
01:44:33,720 --> 01:44:35,439
Speaker 1: he tells me his story. These guys come in. They

2080
01:44:35,960 --> 01:44:38,040
Speaker 1: dude like he just had two babies in his house,

2081
01:44:38,080 --> 01:44:39,920
Speaker 1: and they walk all over and they take all the

2082
01:44:40,160 --> 01:44:42,200
Speaker 1: and they could do anything they want, right, And they

2083
01:44:42,280 --> 01:44:45,599
Speaker 1: walked over his carpet with muddy boots and took his laptop,

2084
01:44:45,640 --> 01:44:50,040
Speaker 1: took everything, cameras, everything, And I was like, man, I

2085
01:44:50,120 --> 01:44:52,080
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on. Like they told us what's

2086
01:44:52,120 --> 01:44:54,000
Speaker 1: going on. It was illegal hunting, and but I didn't

2087
01:44:54,040 --> 01:44:55,640
Speaker 1: know how much of what the capacity was. And then

2088
01:44:55,720 --> 01:44:58,640
Speaker 1: and then they mentioned felony, and I was like, what

2089
01:44:58,760 --> 01:45:02,719
Speaker 1: do you mean felony? Man? Like, what's like a felon?

2090
01:45:03,000 --> 01:45:06,080
Speaker 1: Like you're talking about me being a felon? Okay, that's crazy.

2091
01:45:06,400 --> 01:45:09,760
Speaker 1: And uh So it went off for like a year

2092
01:45:09,800 --> 01:45:11,400
Speaker 1: and I didn't even know whether to get a lawyer

2093
01:45:11,560 --> 01:45:13,160
Speaker 1: or not. I was like, am I in trouble? Did

2094
01:45:13,200 --> 01:45:15,640
Speaker 1: they just continue to contact? You know, it was kind

2095
01:45:15,680 --> 01:45:17,960
Speaker 1: of silence, but I knew something was like going bad,

2096
01:45:18,080 --> 01:45:20,559
Speaker 1: And like r C lawyered up. I didn't lawyer up.

2097
01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:22,280
Speaker 1: I didn't really know, Like if I was in trouble,

2098
01:45:22,280 --> 01:45:25,439
Speaker 1: I didn't know, but they're building a case. And then

2099
01:45:25,760 --> 01:45:27,880
Speaker 1: and I was like I had these sponsors, dude, and

2100
01:45:27,960 --> 01:45:30,320
Speaker 1: like I didn't tell anybody because nobody knew. But I

2101
01:45:30,400 --> 01:45:31,760
Speaker 1: had this in the back of my head, you know,

2102
01:45:31,840 --> 01:45:35,120
Speaker 1: I was. I was. I knew something was coming down

2103
01:45:35,200 --> 01:45:37,759
Speaker 1: the pipe. Like I wasn't dumb, Like I'm pretty wise.

2104
01:45:38,200 --> 01:45:40,000
Speaker 1: Like do you remember the days during that where you're

2105
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:42,439
Speaker 1: like getting up in the morning. Man, I didn't sleep

2106
01:45:42,880 --> 01:45:45,000
Speaker 1: and didn't sleep. There was two years where I didn't sleep,

2107
01:45:45,040 --> 01:45:46,479
Speaker 1: you know, I was, but I I it was. It

2108
01:45:46,600 --> 01:45:48,960
Speaker 1: was an amazing experience in the way that I just, man,

2109
01:45:49,560 --> 01:45:52,679
Speaker 1: I had no control, Like I had lost all control

2110
01:45:52,720 --> 01:45:55,360
Speaker 1: of my life. But all I could control was my

2111
01:45:55,439 --> 01:45:57,280
Speaker 1: emotion how I racted, and so I just kind of

2112
01:45:57,360 --> 01:45:59,720
Speaker 1: like went on living man Like. It took me a

2113
01:45:59,760 --> 01:46:02,400
Speaker 1: long time to settle into that. So we go for

2114
01:46:02,520 --> 01:46:04,679
Speaker 1: like a year, you know, I'm killing it at life.

2115
01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:08,479
Speaker 1: I think and then what are you like, would you

2116
01:46:08,920 --> 01:46:10,519
Speaker 1: was there a guilt there? Do you think? Do you

2117
01:46:10,560 --> 01:46:13,240
Speaker 1: think like you? Because you know, like I said, you

2118
01:46:13,280 --> 01:46:16,280
Speaker 1: know you did something wrong. There's nobody out there that

2119
01:46:16,400 --> 01:46:19,799
Speaker 1: hasn't done something. There was there was never an animal

2120
01:46:19,920 --> 01:46:22,719
Speaker 1: that was shot without a tag. That's all I can say.

2121
01:46:23,400 --> 01:46:25,559
Speaker 1: Everything at a tag. And there was less animal shot

2122
01:46:27,680 --> 01:46:29,680
Speaker 1: because the way we were hunting was like, dude, if

2123
01:46:29,800 --> 01:46:32,760
Speaker 1: you had an opportunity at a mature animal, and if

2124
01:46:32,800 --> 01:46:35,040
Speaker 1: you didn't, you know, if you blew that chance. Like

2125
01:46:35,200 --> 01:46:36,880
Speaker 1: there was a lot of guys went home empty handed,

2126
01:46:37,560 --> 01:46:39,320
Speaker 1: but we did. You know, I think we did get

2127
01:46:39,400 --> 01:46:46,880
Speaker 1: some beautiful animals. Um. But so that went on and

2128
01:46:46,960 --> 01:46:49,479
Speaker 1: I just like it was trying to live my life

2129
01:46:49,680 --> 01:46:51,880
Speaker 1: and trying to be normal. I was dating a really

2130
01:46:51,920 --> 01:46:55,400
Speaker 1: amazing person, and you know it was like there was

2131
01:46:55,400 --> 01:46:57,440
Speaker 1: a lot of stress, you know, but on our relationship

2132
01:46:57,520 --> 01:47:02,040
Speaker 1: or whatever. And but well then it was like August

2133
01:47:02,240 --> 01:47:05,800
Speaker 1: the next year, Yeah, we get indicted. I get a

2134
01:47:05,920 --> 01:47:08,280
Speaker 1: letter like they're like indictment, You've got to be at

2135
01:47:08,280 --> 01:47:11,080
Speaker 1: the federal court and this is this is the deal,

2136
01:47:11,120 --> 01:47:12,840
Speaker 1: all right, And I was like, okay, so we did

2137
01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:15,960
Speaker 1: this land order. I know there's some tags. That's just

2138
01:47:15,960 --> 01:47:17,559
Speaker 1: a bad deal. Like I don't, I have no idea

2139
01:47:17,600 --> 01:47:19,479
Speaker 1: what's going to happen. We go into court and they

2140
01:47:19,560 --> 01:47:21,760
Speaker 1: and they indicted my dad too, which was really it

2141
01:47:21,880 --> 01:47:25,560
Speaker 1: was that really hurt because he he wasn't involved in

2142
01:47:25,560 --> 01:47:28,080
Speaker 1: the hunting operation, you know, but like one one day

2143
01:47:28,120 --> 01:47:30,360
Speaker 1: he had come down like we've gotten this beautiful bull,

2144
01:47:30,680 --> 01:47:32,280
Speaker 1: and he was there and he would helped his pack

2145
01:47:32,439 --> 01:47:34,840
Speaker 1: pack it out, so I guess he was involved, you know,

2146
01:47:35,200 --> 01:47:37,120
Speaker 1: and he got a photo with the animal, like you know,

2147
01:47:37,160 --> 01:47:39,320
Speaker 1: he's like take a photo of you know. So anyways,

2148
01:47:39,439 --> 01:47:42,160
Speaker 1: he's involved. He's an accessory. We go to federal court

2149
01:47:42,520 --> 01:47:45,439
Speaker 1: and they're like they just start reading, like we stand

2150
01:47:45,520 --> 01:47:48,800
Speaker 1: up and they just start reading these charges off man.

2151
01:47:50,439 --> 01:47:52,280
Speaker 1: And so what it was all said and done are

2152
01:47:52,439 --> 01:47:55,200
Speaker 1: my brother and myself were indicted on eleven felonies a piece.

2153
01:47:56,240 --> 01:48:00,679
Speaker 1: My dad was indicted on three. I was seeing fifty

2154
01:48:00,720 --> 01:48:03,240
Speaker 1: five years in prison, are seeing each we're facing fifty

2155
01:48:03,280 --> 01:48:05,880
Speaker 1: five years in prison and four point five million dollars

2156
01:48:05,920 --> 01:48:09,080
Speaker 1: and finds a piece and I was like it wasn't

2157
01:48:09,080 --> 01:48:11,200
Speaker 1: even real, man, Like I remember cutting a check that

2158
01:48:11,280 --> 01:48:12,400
Speaker 1: was one. I was like, I should probably get a

2159
01:48:12,479 --> 01:48:14,400
Speaker 1: lawyer before this indictment. So I kind of check for

2160
01:48:14,479 --> 01:48:16,840
Speaker 1: twenty just like my whole savings. To this lawyer. I

2161
01:48:16,920 --> 01:48:18,439
Speaker 1: was like, here you go, man like, I don't know

2162
01:48:18,520 --> 01:48:21,439
Speaker 1: what's going to happen. He's like, you're this is not good.

2163
01:48:21,560 --> 01:48:23,880
Speaker 1: You guys are looking you guys are gonna go to prison.

2164
01:48:24,560 --> 01:48:26,960
Speaker 1: I was like, man like, I'm going to prison for this,

2165
01:48:27,160 --> 01:48:29,880
Speaker 1: like this is crazy. Not like I had no idea

2166
01:48:30,400 --> 01:48:33,800
Speaker 1: that this was a felony. So they indict us on

2167
01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:40,200
Speaker 1: To be clear, the felony comes in Lacey Act violation. Yeah, yeah,

2168
01:48:40,240 --> 01:48:42,320
Speaker 1: so it was those guys taken these illegal and so

2169
01:48:42,479 --> 01:48:44,439
Speaker 1: a couple of the hunters, a couple of the hunters

2170
01:48:44,479 --> 01:48:47,639
Speaker 1: had taken animals back across state lines, violating the Lacy Act.

2171
01:48:47,680 --> 01:48:49,960
Speaker 1: And that's where that's where the fans became involved, because

2172
01:48:50,080 --> 01:48:52,960
Speaker 1: if they had never crossed in the state lines, it

2173
01:48:52,960 --> 01:48:55,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been a felony. So that's where it got

2174
01:48:55,439 --> 01:48:57,439
Speaker 1: really cloudy. And I was like, well like yeah, man,

2175
01:48:57,560 --> 01:49:00,880
Speaker 1: like we are in trouble. I'm facing fifty five years

2176
01:49:00,920 --> 01:49:03,599
Speaker 1: in prison, and so like that was that was the game,

2177
01:49:03,640 --> 01:49:05,240
Speaker 1: man Like. I lived at that and then but the

2178
01:49:05,360 --> 01:49:08,720
Speaker 1: thing was like, once that came out then and then

2179
01:49:08,760 --> 01:49:11,479
Speaker 1: it was public knowledge. Then the media got ahold of it,

2180
01:49:11,640 --> 01:49:14,600
Speaker 1: and then they started writing things about it. You know,

2181
01:49:14,640 --> 01:49:17,600
Speaker 1: it's a huge poaching ring like all these things. And

2182
01:49:17,680 --> 01:49:21,479
Speaker 1: I don't know how you define poaching, like maybe I did.

2183
01:49:21,760 --> 01:49:24,080
Speaker 1: Maybe that's what it was. Maybe that's the definition illegal

2184
01:49:24,120 --> 01:49:27,160
Speaker 1: animal taken. Um I I didn't feel like it was,

2185
01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:32,800
Speaker 1: but yeah I did that, and the media butchered us, man,

2186
01:49:33,040 --> 01:49:35,640
Speaker 1: Like it was like this Casper Star Tribune. They were

2187
01:49:35,760 --> 01:49:39,840
Speaker 1: relentless up Joe. I mean it was. It was relentless.

2188
01:49:39,840 --> 01:49:41,240
Speaker 1: And I had a bit of a name in snowboarding,

2189
01:49:41,320 --> 01:49:43,280
Speaker 1: so I mean they were like, look at this guy

2190
01:49:43,640 --> 01:49:47,240
Speaker 1: and then some asshole in snowboarding, like least in the

2191
01:49:47,280 --> 01:49:50,439
Speaker 1: snowboarding media, and then it just blew up. And so

2192
01:49:50,520 --> 01:49:52,679
Speaker 1: I get a call from like one of my huge sponsors.

2193
01:49:52,720 --> 01:49:57,680
Speaker 1: They're like, yo, dude, what is going on? Like I

2194
01:49:57,720 --> 01:50:00,920
Speaker 1: don't know, man, Like, you know, I did some things

2195
01:50:01,000 --> 01:50:02,800
Speaker 1: and I'm in a lot of trouble. Like that's all

2196
01:50:02,840 --> 01:50:04,559
Speaker 1: I can tell you. Like I'm I'm going to continue

2197
01:50:04,600 --> 01:50:06,719
Speaker 1: to do the snowbaring thing, like with or without you guys,

2198
01:50:06,800 --> 01:50:10,040
Speaker 1: Like I understand that, um, this does not look good

2199
01:50:10,160 --> 01:50:16,240
Speaker 1: in on paper, it is horrible, horrible, um. And so

2200
01:50:16,439 --> 01:50:18,400
Speaker 1: that was something I had to navigate and that was

2201
01:50:18,479 --> 01:50:21,280
Speaker 1: a very humbling. I mean I was so vulnerable. I

2202
01:50:21,320 --> 01:50:22,640
Speaker 1: mean I just had my hands out. And then so

2203
01:50:23,080 --> 01:50:27,559
Speaker 1: throughout the next year, you know, I did everything I could,

2204
01:50:27,680 --> 01:50:29,800
Speaker 1: man like if if they asked me for something like

2205
01:50:29,960 --> 01:50:32,280
Speaker 1: the prosecutors that, I was like, man, what do you

2206
01:50:32,320 --> 01:50:34,679
Speaker 1: guys need for me? Like, I will tell you everything,

2207
01:50:34,760 --> 01:50:37,120
Speaker 1: like there's I have nothing to hide, an open book here.

2208
01:50:37,160 --> 01:50:39,280
Speaker 1: And my whole family was that way. So we sat

2209
01:50:39,320 --> 01:50:41,960
Speaker 1: down and we went through this whole process for a

2210
01:50:42,040 --> 01:50:44,320
Speaker 1: year of what they were gonna do with us. And

2211
01:50:44,360 --> 01:50:46,800
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to like juggle my my professional career

2212
01:50:46,920 --> 01:50:48,920
Speaker 1: where it's like I can see it falling apart. My

2213
01:50:49,000 --> 01:50:52,000
Speaker 1: relationship at home is falling apart. Everything is falling apart

2214
01:50:52,080 --> 01:50:55,439
Speaker 1: around me, and I'm and I just kept thinking to myself.

2215
01:50:55,439 --> 01:50:58,439
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I like it may be really

2216
01:50:58,560 --> 01:51:00,640
Speaker 1: prioritize and live in the press because I didn't know

2217
01:51:00,640 --> 01:51:02,840
Speaker 1: if I had a future, because I really thought like

2218
01:51:02,920 --> 01:51:04,920
Speaker 1: I was going to do some prisons. You think, yeah,

2219
01:51:05,240 --> 01:51:08,920
Speaker 1: did you talk lawyer And he was basically like, You're like,

2220
01:51:10,120 --> 01:51:12,280
Speaker 1: I would be really surprised if you don't do time,

2221
01:51:13,120 --> 01:51:14,720
Speaker 1: and I just like it was really hard for me

2222
01:51:14,800 --> 01:51:16,960
Speaker 1: to get comprehend that because I had never I had

2223
01:51:17,160 --> 01:51:19,479
Speaker 1: I didn't have a record, like I've never done anything

2224
01:51:19,560 --> 01:51:21,320
Speaker 1: to be in jail. I've never gotten thrown in jail.

2225
01:51:21,400 --> 01:51:24,360
Speaker 1: I had some minor and fractions as a kid is drinking,

2226
01:51:25,360 --> 01:51:28,160
Speaker 1: but um, it's like, so to go from nothing to

2227
01:51:28,280 --> 01:51:31,360
Speaker 1: like the worst I was, I was it was like

2228
01:51:31,640 --> 01:51:34,720
Speaker 1: my mind did not compute what was happening. Like I

2229
01:51:34,880 --> 01:51:36,519
Speaker 1: was kind of not in denial, but I was like

2230
01:51:37,200 --> 01:51:38,880
Speaker 1: I was just really optimistic. Man, I'm like, I'm not

2231
01:51:38,880 --> 01:51:40,680
Speaker 1: gonna get felonies, dude, I'm just gonna like keep doing

2232
01:51:40,720 --> 01:51:43,480
Speaker 1: this like life's good. But it made me really prioritize

2233
01:51:43,479 --> 01:51:46,040
Speaker 1: my family because during this whole process, they were really

2234
01:51:46,120 --> 01:51:47,920
Speaker 1: trying to turn us against each other, like they're like

2235
01:51:48,080 --> 01:51:51,880
Speaker 1: your brother said. I was like, no, he didn't like that,

2236
01:51:52,120 --> 01:51:54,120
Speaker 1: you know, But I get it. I get why they

2237
01:51:54,200 --> 01:51:57,479
Speaker 1: do that in too, like some bad guys they turn

2238
01:51:57,600 --> 01:52:00,479
Speaker 1: them against each other. But I mean, maybe it's just

2239
01:52:00,560 --> 01:52:03,200
Speaker 1: me and it's my introspect. But like I didn't feel

2240
01:52:03,200 --> 01:52:04,240
Speaker 1: like I was a bad guy. I didn't feel like

2241
01:52:04,280 --> 01:52:05,640
Speaker 1: we were bad guys. You know, I didn't like we

2242
01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:08,560
Speaker 1: you know, it was what it was. Um, that was

2243
01:52:08,600 --> 01:52:10,160
Speaker 1: the most interesting point you said to me. You're like

2244
01:52:10,439 --> 01:52:12,839
Speaker 1: I felt they were doing they were using the tactics

2245
01:52:12,920 --> 01:52:15,680
Speaker 1: that you would want them to use, you want them

2246
01:52:15,720 --> 01:52:17,880
Speaker 1: to you, And you felt like, I'm a good guy,

2247
01:52:18,320 --> 01:52:20,760
Speaker 1: but maybe the bad guys feel that the problem, you know.

2248
01:52:20,880 --> 01:52:22,519
Speaker 1: I mean it's just I mean, poor Mia, It's just

2249
01:52:22,640 --> 01:52:25,840
Speaker 1: just a selfish outlook on it. But um, it was.

2250
01:52:26,240 --> 01:52:28,479
Speaker 1: It was crazy, dude. Like I didn't sleep, but it

2251
01:52:28,520 --> 01:52:31,920
Speaker 1: really got me to this place of of of of

2252
01:52:32,080 --> 01:52:36,120
Speaker 1: calm and patience and just like letting things go and

2253
01:52:36,320 --> 01:52:39,800
Speaker 1: things are gonna happen and there's nothing I can do

2254
01:52:39,920 --> 01:52:42,400
Speaker 1: to control this, and I just let it go. Man.

2255
01:52:42,479 --> 01:52:44,400
Speaker 1: I was like, here we go, Like I'm along for

2256
01:52:44,439 --> 01:52:45,759
Speaker 1: the ride on this one. Man. I was like getting

2257
01:52:45,760 --> 01:52:47,960
Speaker 1: on a plane in turbulent weather flying to South America

2258
01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:50,920
Speaker 1: is like, dude, you have no control, just like sit

2259
01:52:51,040 --> 01:52:53,680
Speaker 1: back and just like take it. And so that's what

2260
01:52:53,800 --> 01:52:55,320
Speaker 1: I did, and I took it, took it. And I

2261
01:52:55,400 --> 01:52:59,000
Speaker 1: think the hardest part was watching the local the local media,

2262
01:52:59,360 --> 01:53:02,760
Speaker 1: the Whirland News, like these guys that that I had

2263
01:53:02,800 --> 01:53:05,320
Speaker 1: all these accomplishments in my career that was like pretty

2264
01:53:05,840 --> 01:53:10,320
Speaker 1: um exceptable, exceptional for that area, like a snowboard coming out,

2265
01:53:10,720 --> 01:53:12,640
Speaker 1: and they would never do anything in the in the

2266
01:53:12,680 --> 01:53:15,200
Speaker 1: paper about me, like I'd reached out and like kind man,

2267
01:53:15,200 --> 01:53:17,479
Speaker 1: it would be cool to do local things. Never reached out.

2268
01:53:17,680 --> 01:53:20,200
Speaker 1: But the minute I am in trouble and this negative

2269
01:53:20,280 --> 01:53:23,320
Speaker 1: news man, they were all up on that and they

2270
01:53:23,439 --> 01:53:26,760
Speaker 1: just just hammered it weakly about my dad and my

2271
01:53:26,920 --> 01:53:28,280
Speaker 1: That was hard to seeing my dad, like I had

2272
01:53:28,280 --> 01:53:30,920
Speaker 1: a thick skin, but like he's like sixty three years

2273
01:53:30,960 --> 01:53:32,800
Speaker 1: old and like grewing up in this community. And they're like,

2274
01:53:33,080 --> 01:53:34,960
Speaker 1: you're a felon, you're a poacher, you're like doing all

2275
01:53:34,960 --> 01:53:37,080
Speaker 1: this stuff, and like yeah, we're charged with that, and

2276
01:53:37,160 --> 01:53:40,479
Speaker 1: I understand, like that's what it looks like. But that

2277
01:53:40,640 --> 01:53:43,680
Speaker 1: was really hard to watch. And then you know, just

2278
01:53:44,240 --> 01:53:46,880
Speaker 1: navigating that, watching him, watching it hurt him, watching it

2279
01:53:46,960 --> 01:53:49,479
Speaker 1: hurt my mother. And that's just the people around me.

2280
01:53:49,560 --> 01:53:51,519
Speaker 1: But like there's one thing, man, like I learned who

2281
01:53:51,560 --> 01:53:55,080
Speaker 1: my friends were. Like people distanced themselves. Man, Like I

2282
01:53:55,120 --> 01:53:56,960
Speaker 1: had contracts coming down the pipe, like I was about

2283
01:53:56,960 --> 01:53:59,360
Speaker 1: to sign with the snowboard company and they were like, yeah,

2284
01:53:59,479 --> 01:54:04,160
Speaker 1: that budget tapped. I understand, I understand, but there were

2285
01:54:04,200 --> 01:54:06,280
Speaker 1: the companies that stook by, like stood behind me. They

2286
01:54:06,360 --> 01:54:10,640
Speaker 1: knew my integrity. People are gonna make mistakes, man Like,

2287
01:54:10,720 --> 01:54:13,479
Speaker 1: people are gonna make mistakes, and as long as you

2288
01:54:14,600 --> 01:54:19,320
Speaker 1: are are accountable for yourself and you admit and you'd

2289
01:54:19,360 --> 01:54:22,920
Speaker 1: move on like everybody else should too. It's like forgiveness

2290
01:54:23,000 --> 01:54:25,360
Speaker 1: is a beautiful thing in the human nature, and I

2291
01:54:25,400 --> 01:54:29,000
Speaker 1: think we're losing that. But so we went through this

2292
01:54:29,160 --> 01:54:31,679
Speaker 1: year of just hell. Man, Like I'm traveling the world

2293
01:54:31,800 --> 01:54:34,440
Speaker 1: and like trying to produce video parts. I have this

2294
01:54:34,560 --> 01:54:36,560
Speaker 1: dangerous job where my mind is not in it. My

2295
01:54:36,640 --> 01:54:39,560
Speaker 1: girlfriend's leaving me, Like I have these opportunities that I

2296
01:54:39,640 --> 01:54:43,640
Speaker 1: can't even like I can't even go after because I'm

2297
01:54:43,720 --> 01:54:47,520
Speaker 1: like so mentally like scrambled and and and then I'm

2298
01:54:47,560 --> 01:54:50,120
Speaker 1: in Japan. I'm like on this amazing trip in Japan

2299
01:54:50,280 --> 01:54:52,560
Speaker 1: with like my best friend and one of my best

2300
01:54:52,600 --> 01:54:55,440
Speaker 1: friends from Norway, where we're snowboarding and doing this project

2301
01:54:55,480 --> 01:54:58,880
Speaker 1: that winner. Everybody's backing me. I know this thing is

2302
01:54:58,920 --> 01:55:01,000
Speaker 1: coming down the pipe, and so we're like going back

2303
01:55:01,040 --> 01:55:02,880
Speaker 1: and forth with the with the FEDS, and like I

2304
01:55:02,920 --> 01:55:04,600
Speaker 1: would sit down with these guys. Like I was driving

2305
01:55:04,640 --> 01:55:07,960
Speaker 1: from tents or from Jackson to Casper to go meet

2306
01:55:08,000 --> 01:55:09,640
Speaker 1: with these guys because trials were coming up for all

2307
01:55:09,640 --> 01:55:12,840
Speaker 1: the other uh the other hunters and all this crazy

2308
01:55:12,840 --> 01:55:14,560
Speaker 1: ship was going on. It wasn't just my life, man,

2309
01:55:14,640 --> 01:55:17,040
Speaker 1: They turned like a lot of people's lives upside down.

2310
01:55:18,360 --> 01:55:22,280
Speaker 1: And and I mean maybe, I mean we deserved it,

2311
01:55:22,360 --> 01:55:24,280
Speaker 1: like we I broke the law man, like it was

2312
01:55:24,400 --> 01:55:28,400
Speaker 1: what it was. And I'm in Japan and I still

2313
01:55:28,520 --> 01:55:30,160
Speaker 1: think that there's a chance and I'm not getting any

2314
01:55:30,200 --> 01:55:32,640
Speaker 1: felonies because felonies to me are like, man, I I'm

2315
01:55:32,680 --> 01:55:35,600
Speaker 1: like thinking all these like things in my head. I'm like,

2316
01:55:35,640 --> 01:55:37,600
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna ever be able to have a gun again,

2317
01:55:38,080 --> 01:55:40,080
Speaker 1: something that I loved so dearly. It's something I grew

2318
01:55:40,160 --> 01:55:42,960
Speaker 1: up with. It's a tool for a rancher. And I'm

2319
01:55:43,000 --> 01:55:45,600
Speaker 1: in Japan doing this project and I just never forget.

2320
01:55:45,640 --> 01:55:47,040
Speaker 1: I was right in the elevator one morning and I

2321
01:55:47,080 --> 01:55:48,680
Speaker 1: get the email from my lawyer and he's like, here's

2322
01:55:48,720 --> 01:55:53,520
Speaker 1: the police bargain, dude, And it was like three felonies,

2323
01:55:53,960 --> 01:55:56,320
Speaker 1: Like all the I got, I was getting three felonies.

2324
01:55:57,080 --> 01:56:00,560
Speaker 1: Um uh, seventy five thousand dollar donations, the Whinman game

2325
01:56:00,560 --> 01:56:04,240
Speaker 1: and fish and um yeah. Then I had to go

2326
01:56:04,320 --> 01:56:07,120
Speaker 1: to court. Then I had to go get sentenced, and

2327
01:56:07,200 --> 01:56:09,360
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, I guess this is this is

2328
01:56:09,480 --> 01:56:11,480
Speaker 1: this is what's happening. Man, there's no like you don't

2329
01:56:12,080 --> 01:56:13,800
Speaker 1: once a plea bargam there, like here you go. What

2330
01:56:13,960 --> 01:56:18,600
Speaker 1: was the felonies? Uh, conspiracy to traffic in illegal wildlife,

2331
01:56:18,840 --> 01:56:22,880
Speaker 1: trafficking in illegal wildlife, and falsifying government documents because I

2332
01:56:23,000 --> 01:56:26,120
Speaker 1: signed my name to a landowner tag one time, and

2333
01:56:26,520 --> 01:56:29,080
Speaker 1: so I didn't understand the falsifying, but I get it,

2334
01:56:29,240 --> 01:56:31,400
Speaker 1: like it's on the tag and it says if you

2335
01:56:31,760 --> 01:56:35,360
Speaker 1: sign this illegally, that's a felony. I committed that felony. Dude,

2336
01:56:35,400 --> 01:56:37,760
Speaker 1: I signed that ship. You know I didn't. Who reads

2337
01:56:37,760 --> 01:56:39,800
Speaker 1: a fine print? I tell you what I read fine print? Now,

2338
01:56:40,920 --> 01:56:43,760
Speaker 1: so then you know my brother is sentence. He plead

2339
01:56:43,840 --> 01:56:45,760
Speaker 1: the same thing. My dad got like a plea with

2340
01:56:45,880 --> 01:56:48,600
Speaker 1: one felony and like I don't remember exactly his his

2341
01:56:48,840 --> 01:56:52,120
Speaker 1: donation finds. So then and I'm like, okay, well at

2342
01:56:52,200 --> 01:56:54,840
Speaker 1: least we got that over. Okay, We're gonna move on.

2343
01:56:55,000 --> 01:56:57,000
Speaker 1: Like now we go to court. Our next step. And

2344
01:56:57,080 --> 01:56:59,200
Speaker 1: that was the thing. It is like I found out

2345
01:56:59,240 --> 01:57:02,160
Speaker 1: I got felonies and my girlfriend left me like within

2346
01:57:02,320 --> 01:57:05,080
Speaker 1: like two weeks. And I don't blame her for leaving me. Dude,

2347
01:57:05,080 --> 01:57:06,560
Speaker 1: I was a dick. I was so stressed out, like

2348
01:57:06,600 --> 01:57:08,680
Speaker 1: I was trying to like juggle all these things. Sponsors

2349
01:57:08,720 --> 01:57:11,360
Speaker 1: were leaving like it was what it was. I was

2350
01:57:11,400 --> 01:57:13,040
Speaker 1: just I was just like way in the storm. I

2351
01:57:13,080 --> 01:57:16,120
Speaker 1: came back from Japan, I had like some crazy sickness

2352
01:57:16,200 --> 01:57:18,280
Speaker 1: that I was just an apartment with no TV. Like

2353
01:57:18,400 --> 01:57:21,080
Speaker 1: every shot I showed up, she was gone. Everything was

2354
01:57:21,160 --> 01:57:22,680
Speaker 1: turned off and I got sick and laid in my

2355
01:57:22,720 --> 01:57:24,680
Speaker 1: bed for three days with like almost died. Well there

2356
01:57:24,760 --> 01:57:26,000
Speaker 1: was a quote that Joe was just showing me that.

2357
01:57:26,120 --> 01:57:28,000
Speaker 1: So it was like this ruin of my life up

2358
01:57:28,000 --> 01:57:30,760
Speaker 1: to this point because I had obviously felt that way

2359
01:57:30,960 --> 01:57:33,440
Speaker 1: at that point. I did at that point, man, And

2360
01:57:33,520 --> 01:57:36,960
Speaker 1: that was when I went to the dude I and

2361
01:57:37,040 --> 01:57:39,000
Speaker 1: when when they rated us, I just earned thirty. That

2362
01:57:39,080 --> 01:57:41,000
Speaker 1: was my thirtieth birthday. It was right before my thirty

2363
01:57:41,320 --> 01:57:44,760
Speaker 1: Like hey man, like dude, it's something like they say thirty,

2364
01:57:44,920 --> 01:57:47,280
Speaker 1: like something changes in your life. Like either way, I

2365
01:57:47,400 --> 01:57:51,640
Speaker 1: was like thirty suck. But it changed, man, Like it

2366
01:57:51,800 --> 01:57:56,200
Speaker 1: changed me and I wouldn't take it back, you know,

2367
01:57:56,400 --> 01:57:59,720
Speaker 1: like I wouldn't like that experience and that those hardships

2368
01:57:59,760 --> 01:58:04,240
Speaker 1: like molded everything that I am right now. And so

2369
01:58:04,400 --> 01:58:06,560
Speaker 1: we go to court and that's the scariest thing, Like

2370
01:58:06,600 --> 01:58:09,000
Speaker 1: we got a chyenne man. Like, here we are in

2371
01:58:09,120 --> 01:58:12,880
Speaker 1: court getting sentenced. I'm still facing fifteen years maximum fifteen

2372
01:58:12,960 --> 01:58:17,400
Speaker 1: years and seven fifty thou dollars in fines. I'm like, dude, like,

2373
01:58:17,520 --> 01:58:20,440
Speaker 1: I hope the judge is cool. And so I go

2374
01:58:20,560 --> 01:58:21,880
Speaker 1: up there and you're going into that and you don't

2375
01:58:21,960 --> 01:58:24,720
Speaker 1: you have now I'm still like they got me by

2376
01:58:24,760 --> 01:58:27,240
Speaker 1: the balls. I got nothing, dude, I have no control

2377
01:58:27,280 --> 01:58:30,800
Speaker 1: of the lawyers. Like, dude, like you, I hope we

2378
01:58:30,840 --> 01:58:34,200
Speaker 1: can get you out. And I've just given it all up,

2379
01:58:34,640 --> 01:58:37,080
Speaker 1: you know. I'm like, man, like my life, I've lived

2380
01:58:37,080 --> 01:58:39,840
Speaker 1: an amazing life. If this is what's happening, Like this

2381
01:58:40,040 --> 01:58:41,920
Speaker 1: is what it is, dude. But I can't, like I

2382
01:58:42,080 --> 01:58:44,440
Speaker 1: understand when people get backed into a corner, you know,

2383
01:58:44,560 --> 01:58:50,560
Speaker 1: I understand like that feeling of helplessness and you maybe

2384
01:58:50,640 --> 01:58:53,080
Speaker 1: want to just like act out a little bit towards

2385
01:58:53,240 --> 01:58:55,520
Speaker 1: like whatever is pushing. You want to push back, dude,

2386
01:58:55,840 --> 01:58:58,960
Speaker 1: you want to push back. But I didn't push back.

2387
01:58:59,120 --> 01:59:00,840
Speaker 1: You know. I went and I stood in front of

2388
01:59:00,840 --> 01:59:06,920
Speaker 1: the judge and and uh, you know I I think

2389
01:59:06,960 --> 01:59:08,520
Speaker 1: one of the quotes was, you know, it's ruined all

2390
01:59:08,560 --> 01:59:10,360
Speaker 1: my life and that was like a quote from the court.

2391
01:59:10,400 --> 01:59:13,920
Speaker 1: And my whole family's already like my whole family and

2392
01:59:14,040 --> 01:59:16,880
Speaker 1: my friends that showed up, Louie and Justin and Dowell

2393
01:59:16,960 --> 01:59:19,040
Speaker 1: and Johnny. They showed up like you do. They didn't

2394
01:59:19,040 --> 01:59:20,640
Speaker 1: have to show up. They showed up in my behalf

2395
01:59:20,720 --> 01:59:23,640
Speaker 1: and my family's behalf. And you know, she she looked

2396
01:59:23,680 --> 01:59:25,600
Speaker 1: at this and I was like, you know, she told me,

2397
01:59:25,680 --> 01:59:30,640
Speaker 1: she's like, I've never I've never seeing anyone facing what

2398
01:59:30,720 --> 01:59:32,640
Speaker 1: you're facing with the record you have in the life

2399
01:59:32,680 --> 01:59:35,880
Speaker 1: you've lived. But at that point you have a plea bargain,

2400
01:59:35,920 --> 01:59:38,240
Speaker 1: you know, like it's done. But she's just like, this

2401
01:59:38,320 --> 01:59:40,640
Speaker 1: is what your sentences and she just like, dude, she

2402
01:59:40,680 --> 01:59:42,840
Speaker 1: didn't give me ship. You know, she was like she

2403
01:59:43,000 --> 01:59:45,400
Speaker 1: understood a little bit, I think, and she had empathy

2404
01:59:45,480 --> 01:59:48,400
Speaker 1: for the situation, not that she was like, you didn't

2405
01:59:48,400 --> 01:59:50,160
Speaker 1: break the law, and she's like, you broke you broke

2406
01:59:50,200 --> 01:59:52,560
Speaker 1: the law. Mr Carter like this is this is the consequences.

2407
01:59:52,880 --> 01:59:54,880
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, I accepted anything you give me.

2408
01:59:55,000 --> 01:59:58,680
Speaker 1: This is it. And I got three years unsupervised probation

2409
01:59:58,720 --> 02:00:01,520
Speaker 1: because she was empathetic towards my my job and traveling

2410
02:00:01,560 --> 02:00:05,960
Speaker 1: in all this career, and so that was like a

2411
02:00:06,120 --> 02:00:07,880
Speaker 1: huge relief. I was like, oh my god, I'm not

2412
02:00:07,960 --> 02:00:11,560
Speaker 1: going to prison, dude, but I'm like it wasn't. And

2413
02:00:11,640 --> 02:00:14,560
Speaker 1: then I realized, like, my my anxiety wasn't about me

2414
02:00:14,680 --> 02:00:16,760
Speaker 1: going to prison. It was about my brother, Like what

2415
02:00:16,840 --> 02:00:20,080
Speaker 1: are they going to do to him? And dude, he

2416
02:00:20,240 --> 02:00:23,520
Speaker 1: they got up there and uh do they sentenced him

2417
02:00:23,520 --> 02:00:26,000
Speaker 1: to like a year and a half in prison, and

2418
02:00:26,160 --> 02:00:28,640
Speaker 1: like his wife's there and like crying. I was like

2419
02:00:28,840 --> 02:00:32,360
Speaker 1: this this heavy moment, and I was like all right,

2420
02:00:32,520 --> 02:00:35,080
Speaker 1: like okay, a year and a half, Like what's my

2421
02:00:35,160 --> 02:00:39,200
Speaker 1: solution here? Like hopefully that doesn't happen. And walking out

2422
02:00:39,240 --> 02:00:40,800
Speaker 1: of that court room was very sobering. It was in

2423
02:00:40,880 --> 02:00:43,680
Speaker 1: this way of like, Okay, I think you're going to jail.

2424
02:00:43,680 --> 02:00:45,280
Speaker 1: I'm not going to jail, which I'd rather be going

2425
02:00:45,320 --> 02:00:47,720
Speaker 1: to jail. You have the family, but we're done now,

2426
02:00:47,760 --> 02:00:50,680
Speaker 1: we're moving forward. We're like we know what's going to happen.

2427
02:00:51,440 --> 02:00:53,160
Speaker 1: I have to some control. I'm like okay, man, like

2428
02:00:53,280 --> 02:00:55,280
Speaker 1: let's like we'll figure this out. Like you know, I

2429
02:00:55,400 --> 02:00:57,320
Speaker 1: was evening I quit the snowboarding, like I'll come back

2430
02:00:57,360 --> 02:00:58,760
Speaker 1: to the ranch, like whatever I gotta do to like

2431
02:00:58,840 --> 02:01:01,600
Speaker 1: hell my family and like make us work. Thank god

2432
02:01:01,720 --> 02:01:03,040
Speaker 1: he didn't have to do a year and a half.

2433
02:01:03,080 --> 02:01:06,200
Speaker 1: They want to do some ship and he did end

2434
02:01:06,280 --> 02:01:08,920
Speaker 1: up having to do like two months in federal, which

2435
02:01:09,040 --> 02:01:12,160
Speaker 1: was crazy, but he was like, man, that was a

2436
02:01:12,200 --> 02:01:15,000
Speaker 1: great that was that was that was an experience, man

2437
02:01:15,160 --> 02:01:17,880
Speaker 1: Like that was something that I needed, you know. And

2438
02:01:18,920 --> 02:01:21,720
Speaker 1: I don't know the reasoning behind everything that went down.

2439
02:01:21,800 --> 02:01:24,960
Speaker 1: I always felt like, you know, I think when you're

2440
02:01:24,960 --> 02:01:27,160
Speaker 1: always in a situation like yeah, you feel like poor me,

2441
02:01:28,080 --> 02:01:31,360
Speaker 1: poor me, and like they're going at me so hard,

2442
02:01:31,520 --> 02:01:35,320
Speaker 1: and like I just but I just it was what

2443
02:01:35,440 --> 02:01:37,360
Speaker 1: it was, and I just like to take your licking.

2444
02:01:37,480 --> 02:01:40,160
Speaker 1: Here you go, man, first, wreck like wreck, get up,

2445
02:01:40,360 --> 02:01:42,600
Speaker 1: Like are you going to let this define you as

2446
02:01:42,640 --> 02:01:45,520
Speaker 1: a person? Are you gonna like hold resentment against the

2447
02:01:46,560 --> 02:01:49,200
Speaker 1: the people? And it was my choice. It was our choice, man,

2448
02:01:49,320 --> 02:01:51,440
Speaker 1: Like I accepted the choice that we had made to

2449
02:01:51,480 --> 02:01:54,160
Speaker 1: get us in this position. That was us, man, it

2450
02:01:54,280 --> 02:01:56,600
Speaker 1: wasn't them. They didn't have we put them in that

2451
02:01:56,720 --> 02:02:01,200
Speaker 1: position to hammer us. You know, they did go by

2452
02:02:01,240 --> 02:02:03,320
Speaker 1: the law, we did break the law. It was what

2453
02:02:03,480 --> 02:02:05,960
Speaker 1: it was. But I think you're always in that position.

2454
02:02:06,000 --> 02:02:08,240
Speaker 1: You're like, poor me. But I got over that, and

2455
02:02:08,360 --> 02:02:11,520
Speaker 1: I like, you know, Arcy did his prison time. But

2456
02:02:11,680 --> 02:02:14,720
Speaker 1: after that, I really prioritized my life in a way

2457
02:02:14,760 --> 02:02:19,040
Speaker 1: of like, am I snowboarding for money? Because I lost everything? Man?

2458
02:02:19,120 --> 02:02:21,280
Speaker 1: Like I didn't have ship, I had like one sponsor left.

2459
02:02:21,360 --> 02:02:23,080
Speaker 1: And I was like, am I doing this for money?

2460
02:02:23,200 --> 02:02:25,040
Speaker 1: Or am I doing it because I love snowboarding. I

2461
02:02:25,120 --> 02:02:27,160
Speaker 1: love being in the mountains. This is my life, this

2462
02:02:27,320 --> 02:02:30,600
Speaker 1: is this is what I do. And Goose gave me

2463
02:02:30,680 --> 02:02:32,560
Speaker 1: some amazing advice. He's like, man, don't worry about what

2464
02:02:32,640 --> 02:02:35,280
Speaker 1: everybody else is doing. He's like, just focus on your

2465
02:02:35,320 --> 02:02:38,400
Speaker 1: own program. And man, I I quit traveling the world.

2466
02:02:39,000 --> 02:02:41,560
Speaker 1: I focused on being home. I focused on being in

2467
02:02:41,680 --> 02:02:45,120
Speaker 1: Jackson and not leaving Jackson and just like making that

2468
02:02:45,280 --> 02:02:47,000
Speaker 1: my home and saving money because I didn't have the

2469
02:02:47,000 --> 02:02:49,320
Speaker 1: budget to travel anymore. Man I have like, dude, I

2470
02:02:49,320 --> 02:02:52,080
Speaker 1: go to Alaska twenty g s to like burn on helicopters,

2471
02:02:52,640 --> 02:02:57,440
Speaker 1: which is so like it's crazy, check me out. I'm rich,

2472
02:02:58,160 --> 02:03:00,640
Speaker 1: check out. But I didn't appreciate it, man, until I

2473
02:03:00,760 --> 02:03:02,320
Speaker 1: lost all that stuff. And it was the best thing

2474
02:03:02,400 --> 02:03:05,680
Speaker 1: that ever happened in my career was losing all that

2475
02:03:05,840 --> 02:03:08,560
Speaker 1: and then really appreciating everything I've curated up back to

2476
02:03:08,640 --> 02:03:11,520
Speaker 1: this point, like getting the sponsors. People that signed me

2477
02:03:12,200 --> 02:03:14,880
Speaker 1: understood my past, and I was always been transparent about

2478
02:03:14,920 --> 02:03:17,280
Speaker 1: like yo, like I gotta check her past, Like this

2479
02:03:17,400 --> 02:03:21,000
Speaker 1: is the deal. Understanding being in a position of being

2480
02:03:21,160 --> 02:03:23,680
Speaker 1: a judgment like people like they see your record, man,

2481
02:03:23,800 --> 02:03:25,800
Speaker 1: Like you see three felonings on somebody's record and you're like,

2482
02:03:25,920 --> 02:03:28,839
Speaker 1: what did this? Dude? Dude, Like you can't have guns,

2483
02:03:29,520 --> 02:03:32,480
Speaker 1: you can't vote, Like I'm not even a citizen, you know,

2484
02:03:33,480 --> 02:03:35,839
Speaker 1: but I think the gun thing hurts me more than anything.

2485
02:03:36,040 --> 02:03:38,720
Speaker 1: You know that, Like that hurts my soul, just not

2486
02:03:38,880 --> 02:03:42,400
Speaker 1: being able to like do something I love. You know, Well,

2487
02:03:42,480 --> 02:03:43,840
Speaker 1: let let me just say this, like you're the first

2488
02:03:43,880 --> 02:03:46,160
Speaker 1: person I've ever met, and I have to think about

2489
02:03:46,160 --> 02:03:51,920
Speaker 1: this and make sure I'm not being hyperbolic. I'm at

2490
02:03:51,960 --> 02:03:53,960
Speaker 1: this moment, You're the first person I've ever met that

2491
02:03:54,040 --> 02:03:58,160
Speaker 1: had their their Second Amendment rights stripped away. And I

2492
02:03:58,240 --> 02:04:00,400
Speaker 1: earned it. I earned it, you know I did that.

2493
02:04:00,480 --> 02:04:05,480
Speaker 1: That was me. But it hurts. And more than it

2494
02:04:05,600 --> 02:04:08,560
Speaker 1: hurting me, it's like watching how it affects our ranch,

2495
02:04:08,680 --> 02:04:12,080
Speaker 1: you know, like like watching like if you ever have

2496
02:04:12,200 --> 02:04:13,960
Speaker 1: been around a big ranch and a lot of livestock,

2497
02:04:14,040 --> 02:04:17,240
Speaker 1: like things need put down and and and shot. And

2498
02:04:17,880 --> 02:04:20,280
Speaker 1: to not have that tool as a ranchers like a

2499
02:04:20,360 --> 02:04:23,480
Speaker 1: doctor not having a scalpel, and the things I see

2500
02:04:23,520 --> 02:04:27,080
Speaker 1: my brother have to do. Um it, man, it kills me.

2501
02:04:27,200 --> 02:04:29,560
Speaker 1: That hurts my heart because like those he cares about

2502
02:04:29,640 --> 02:04:32,680
Speaker 1: his animals more than anybody I know and like to

2503
02:04:32,760 --> 02:04:34,800
Speaker 1: look something in the eye and cut its throat with

2504
02:04:34,840 --> 02:04:39,040
Speaker 1: a knife. Dude, that's personal. Man, Like that hurts. And

2505
02:04:39,400 --> 02:04:42,440
Speaker 1: for one instance, like he had this pig he loved, man,

2506
02:04:42,720 --> 02:04:45,320
Speaker 1: he loved this pig, Peaches. It was Peach's mom. We

2507
02:04:45,400 --> 02:04:47,640
Speaker 1: have Peaches two or three now, but Peach's mom. She

2508
02:04:47,760 --> 02:04:50,040
Speaker 1: was she was just like a family pet. Lived under

2509
02:04:50,120 --> 02:04:54,280
Speaker 1: the little shelter out there under the by the house.

2510
02:04:54,360 --> 02:04:56,680
Speaker 1: And he had a bunch of little piglets, cute little piglets,

2511
02:04:57,360 --> 02:05:00,200
Speaker 1: a bunch of strang is in the winter, and uh,

2512
02:05:01,600 --> 02:05:04,240
Speaker 1: all them little piglets were under there is cold. Well

2513
02:05:04,480 --> 02:05:07,480
Speaker 1: you get a heat lamp in there, and somehow a

2514
02:05:07,520 --> 02:05:09,400
Speaker 1: bunch of some straw got pushed up against that lamp

2515
02:05:09,480 --> 02:05:16,640
Speaker 1: started on fire, and that fire started and he's like

2516
02:05:16,800 --> 02:05:18,000
Speaker 1: he didn't you know, he had to go out there.

2517
02:05:18,040 --> 02:05:20,880
Speaker 1: He saved a couple of the piglets, but he had

2518
02:05:20,920 --> 02:05:23,240
Speaker 1: to like sit there and watch that pig burn and

2519
02:05:23,400 --> 02:05:26,840
Speaker 1: hear it burned. Something that he loved burned because he

2520
02:05:26,920 --> 02:05:31,840
Speaker 1: couldn't put a bullet in, you know, and like, man,

2521
02:05:33,040 --> 02:05:36,760
Speaker 1: that was tough. Yeah, I mean I don't have all

2522
02:05:36,800 --> 02:05:39,320
Speaker 1: that to say, Yeah, but I mean it's just like

2523
02:05:40,000 --> 02:05:42,840
Speaker 1: I just I one. Here's one thing I will say

2524
02:05:42,880 --> 02:05:45,280
Speaker 1: is that that this story, you can't find a lot

2525
02:05:45,320 --> 02:05:47,040
Speaker 1: of people that are willing to talk like you're talking

2526
02:05:47,120 --> 02:05:49,240
Speaker 1: right now, man, Like so you got a lot of courage,

2527
02:05:49,280 --> 02:05:51,920
Speaker 1: even in this moment in front of a microphone with

2528
02:05:51,960 --> 02:05:55,080
Speaker 1: headphones on, to talk about it. So like it's it's

2529
02:05:55,320 --> 02:05:57,240
Speaker 1: so folks that are listening to this, you take what

2530
02:05:57,400 --> 02:06:00,600
Speaker 1: you want from Marx lived it, so it doesn't matter.

2531
02:06:01,360 --> 02:06:05,280
Speaker 1: But like, at some level there's I don't think I

2532
02:06:05,280 --> 02:06:07,560
Speaker 1: could find another person that's willing to sit here say

2533
02:06:07,640 --> 02:06:09,560
Speaker 1: I got a felony and this is what the story was,

2534
02:06:09,640 --> 02:06:11,120
Speaker 1: and this is how I feel, and this is how

2535
02:06:11,480 --> 02:06:15,520
Speaker 1: I got up off the mat. Yeah, well it's it's

2536
02:06:15,560 --> 02:06:18,320
Speaker 1: been something that I've been ashamed of. You know. It's

2537
02:06:18,360 --> 02:06:20,160
Speaker 1: like it's like the elephant in the room right, Like

2538
02:06:20,880 --> 02:06:25,520
Speaker 1: people are like, what about Carter? Like, but it is

2539
02:06:25,600 --> 02:06:29,760
Speaker 1: what it is, man Like, that's look at where your

2540
02:06:29,800 --> 02:06:32,520
Speaker 1: life is, man, I mean, look at where you are.

2541
02:06:32,960 --> 02:06:36,280
Speaker 1: And that's the thing about this experiences. I wouldn't take

2542
02:06:36,320 --> 02:06:39,160
Speaker 1: it back. It is as hard as messed up as

2543
02:06:39,200 --> 02:06:41,680
Speaker 1: it was, Like I would not take that back because

2544
02:06:41,720 --> 02:06:43,160
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be where I am. I don't even think

2545
02:06:43,160 --> 02:06:46,040
Speaker 1: i'd be at pro snowboarder. Dude. This experience lit a

2546
02:06:46,120 --> 02:06:49,400
Speaker 1: fire in me like I've never I never felt. I

2547
02:06:49,520 --> 02:06:54,080
Speaker 1: was like, oh, priorities my life and got my ship

2548
02:06:54,160 --> 02:06:56,480
Speaker 1: together and like went after it because I was like, dude,

2549
02:06:56,480 --> 02:06:59,080
Speaker 1: it can be over. Like boom, I have my freedom.

2550
02:06:59,720 --> 02:07:01,960
Speaker 1: Like I had all these problems before this, and then

2551
02:07:02,080 --> 02:07:03,960
Speaker 1: there was one problem I was worried about, and that

2552
02:07:04,080 --> 02:07:06,440
Speaker 1: was my freedom. Man Like, when you have your freedom stripped,

2553
02:07:06,760 --> 02:07:10,920
Speaker 1: when you're like I don't I'm not free to roam anymore. Like, man,

2554
02:07:11,200 --> 02:07:13,280
Speaker 1: I was like, this is crazy, and I was like,

2555
02:07:13,320 --> 02:07:15,840
Speaker 1: get busy living, and dude, I chased it, but I

2556
02:07:15,880 --> 02:07:18,000
Speaker 1: did it on my terms. I was like, I'm not

2557
02:07:18,120 --> 02:07:22,160
Speaker 1: listening to anybody. I have thicker skin now from digging

2558
02:07:22,200 --> 02:07:26,040
Speaker 1: a beating from those newspapers constantly, constantly, constantly seeing that

2559
02:07:26,240 --> 02:07:27,760
Speaker 1: back and forth, and I just look at those I

2560
02:07:27,760 --> 02:07:29,720
Speaker 1: mean they painted you in like a bad light, and

2561
02:07:29,720 --> 02:07:32,400
Speaker 1: a lot of them man like, well this is the media.

2562
02:07:32,520 --> 02:07:34,920
Speaker 1: But we talked about the media. And then the largest

2563
02:07:35,000 --> 02:07:37,720
Speaker 1: poaching case and like they even used a quote in

2564
02:07:37,800 --> 02:07:40,600
Speaker 1: this one. Um you get down here from one of

2565
02:07:40,760 --> 02:07:44,560
Speaker 1: the uh investigators and he's like he says, I don't worry,

2566
02:07:44,640 --> 02:07:47,760
Speaker 1: but statistically it's a pretty dangerous job. Everybody we deal

2567
02:07:47,840 --> 02:07:51,200
Speaker 1: with has a gun. And it's like it's just they're

2568
02:07:51,200 --> 02:07:53,560
Speaker 1: trying to paint you in a way. That's this man

2569
02:07:53,640 --> 02:07:57,640
Speaker 1: they painted us. And uh, yeah, I appreciate you know,

2570
02:07:57,800 --> 02:08:00,040
Speaker 1: being on this, on this this platform, be able to

2571
02:08:00,120 --> 02:08:02,000
Speaker 1: talk about because I honestly I've never talked about it.

2572
02:08:02,240 --> 02:08:04,480
Speaker 1: Yeah you know, well listen, like I said, I think

2573
02:08:05,120 --> 02:08:09,000
Speaker 1: when when there's there's a symptom, which a lot of

2574
02:08:09,040 --> 02:08:10,960
Speaker 1: times is very justified. Like the way you're apportioning it

2575
02:08:11,000 --> 02:08:15,400
Speaker 1: to me is is understandable anything. You know your family,

2576
02:08:15,480 --> 02:08:17,600
Speaker 1: you know the people that you are, and when you're

2577
02:08:17,600 --> 02:08:19,880
Speaker 1: telling me this story, I know that you know in

2578
02:08:19,960 --> 02:08:22,840
Speaker 1: your heart, like, these are good people and they did

2579
02:08:22,880 --> 02:08:25,040
Speaker 1: a thing they shouldn't have done. And to to to

2580
02:08:25,200 --> 02:08:30,040
Speaker 1: be constantly forced to rationalize good people being punished in

2581
02:08:30,120 --> 02:08:32,040
Speaker 1: the way that they were is I know that's a

2582
02:08:32,120 --> 02:08:34,000
Speaker 1: tough thing. And I know you have you want to,

2583
02:08:34,360 --> 02:08:37,040
Speaker 1: you have to say we deserved it because you broke

2584
02:08:37,080 --> 02:08:40,760
Speaker 1: the law I did. But it's not that simple. There's layers.

2585
02:08:40,880 --> 02:08:42,760
Speaker 1: There's layers to it, and I think that's something that

2586
02:08:42,880 --> 02:08:45,600
Speaker 1: I've seen through other folks I've known that have had

2587
02:08:45,680 --> 02:08:49,760
Speaker 1: issues UM and the public's fear. People want to they

2588
02:08:49,760 --> 02:08:51,800
Speaker 1: want to knock you down, they want to take you down,

2589
02:08:51,880 --> 02:08:54,200
Speaker 1: and and and again, I would say, look, if I

2590
02:08:54,240 --> 02:08:56,840
Speaker 1: do something wrong, I'll I hope I approach it the

2591
02:08:56,880 --> 02:08:59,840
Speaker 1: way you did and say, hey, I knew with this

2592
02:09:00,080 --> 02:09:02,080
Speaker 1: is wrong, and I did it anyway, and now I

2593
02:09:02,160 --> 02:09:04,480
Speaker 1: have to face the consequences and learn from it. You know,

2594
02:09:04,760 --> 02:09:09,040
Speaker 1: hopefully the consequences are leveled. We need to be held accountable,

2595
02:09:09,880 --> 02:09:12,680
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's important. But I think we

2596
02:09:12,800 --> 02:09:15,600
Speaker 1: need to hold our peers accountable, like our friends accountable,

2597
02:09:16,120 --> 02:09:19,760
Speaker 1: and I think nothing ever changes when somebody you don't

2598
02:09:19,800 --> 02:09:23,320
Speaker 1: respect or care about is like attacking you, but when

2599
02:09:23,360 --> 02:09:26,080
Speaker 1: your friends are like speaking to you with honestly, like yo, dude,

2600
02:09:26,120 --> 02:09:27,840
Speaker 1: that was kind of messed up, Like you shouldn't do that,

2601
02:09:27,840 --> 02:09:30,760
Speaker 1: ship like calling you out, like whether it be in

2602
02:09:30,840 --> 02:09:33,920
Speaker 1: your work environment or your personal environment. Like I really

2603
02:09:34,000 --> 02:09:35,840
Speaker 1: respect somebody that comes up to me. It's like, dude,

2604
02:09:35,880 --> 02:09:38,520
Speaker 1: you like that's how to that's out of line? Man, Like,

2605
02:09:38,600 --> 02:09:39,880
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna call you out on that, and then

2606
02:09:40,040 --> 02:09:41,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna be like think about that because you respect

2607
02:09:42,000 --> 02:09:44,200
Speaker 1: that person. I think there needs to be more of

2608
02:09:44,320 --> 02:09:48,160
Speaker 1: that and not afraid to like a cross that line,

2609
02:09:48,160 --> 02:09:49,960
Speaker 1: because I think that's a line that needs to be crossed.

2610
02:09:50,040 --> 02:09:52,640
Speaker 1: If somebody's out of line, man, like, they need to

2611
02:09:52,800 --> 02:09:56,200
Speaker 1: put the core ten of my lifestyle, like respecting wildlife,

2612
02:09:56,240 --> 02:10:00,160
Speaker 1: respecting the land, and anybody crosses that line and they're

2613
02:10:00,200 --> 02:10:03,720
Speaker 1: gonna hear it, right and they need to. But as

2614
02:10:03,800 --> 02:10:07,560
Speaker 1: long as they like acknowledge and are accountable, I mean, man,

2615
02:10:07,640 --> 02:10:10,520
Speaker 1: there's room for forgiveness too. That's the beautiful thing about humans.

2616
02:10:10,680 --> 02:10:12,840
Speaker 1: Well you've earned it, Like you're sponsored by the north Face,

2617
02:10:13,240 --> 02:10:15,600
Speaker 1: sponsored by Yettie, You're sponsored by these companies that have

2618
02:10:15,720 --> 02:10:18,360
Speaker 1: everything to lose by bringing a felon onto their team.

2619
02:10:19,080 --> 02:10:22,320
Speaker 1: And listen, I was there, I worked there. I understand

2620
02:10:23,640 --> 02:10:27,000
Speaker 1: those relationships. Those relationships. It's it's either it's a zero

2621
02:10:27,080 --> 02:10:29,160
Speaker 1: some game. It's very much either it's all good for

2622
02:10:29,240 --> 02:10:33,240
Speaker 1: the company, or it's not going to happen, it doesn't continue.

2623
02:10:33,400 --> 02:10:36,080
Speaker 1: I mean, man, it was like it was crazy, the hate,

2624
02:10:36,240 --> 02:10:39,240
Speaker 1: Like you couldn't read the comments, like people just like, oh,

2625
02:10:39,360 --> 02:10:42,000
Speaker 1: they should all be killed, Like I mean crazy, Like

2626
02:10:42,080 --> 02:10:46,480
Speaker 1: don't read the comments because it's just this this no

2627
02:10:46,680 --> 02:10:50,520
Speaker 1: consequence for your actions, like if you say that online,

2628
02:10:50,880 --> 02:10:54,760
Speaker 1: this cowardly platform where there's no consequences. And I think

2629
02:10:54,800 --> 02:10:57,000
Speaker 1: that's the problem today is people can just say things

2630
02:10:57,120 --> 02:10:59,320
Speaker 1: Like where I grew up, man, like if you said

2631
02:10:59,360 --> 02:11:01,560
Speaker 1: something to somebody like there was consequences, there was no

2632
02:11:01,680 --> 02:11:03,360
Speaker 1: running from it, like you had to stand toe to

2633
02:11:03,440 --> 02:11:06,320
Speaker 1: toe and you're like did you say that? And that

2634
02:11:06,440 --> 02:11:09,240
Speaker 1: just doesn't happen anymore. Like, man, I had, you know,

2635
02:11:09,280 --> 02:11:11,000
Speaker 1: a couple of projects come out, and I had people

2636
02:11:11,080 --> 02:11:16,440
Speaker 1: calling my sponsors, government agencies calling my sponsors telling them

2637
02:11:17,280 --> 02:11:20,240
Speaker 1: after I had paid my dues done everything that they

2638
02:11:20,280 --> 02:11:23,720
Speaker 1: wanted me to do. I got these guys calling my

2639
02:11:23,840 --> 02:11:26,600
Speaker 1: sponsors and telling them how bad of a guy I

2640
02:11:26,720 --> 02:11:31,520
Speaker 1: am and getting cut from sponsors because these guys that

2641
02:11:31,640 --> 02:11:34,520
Speaker 1: I just bowed down to and did any everything they

2642
02:11:34,600 --> 02:11:37,520
Speaker 1: wanted me to do, I still had the power and

2643
02:11:37,600 --> 02:11:40,760
Speaker 1: control over my career and that that pissed me off.

2644
02:11:41,000 --> 02:11:43,960
Speaker 1: I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, We're not done here,

2645
02:11:44,160 --> 02:11:45,840
Speaker 1: Like we're still We're gonna still gonna do this, like

2646
02:11:46,440 --> 02:11:48,400
Speaker 1: I have no leverage and there was nothing I could do,

2647
02:11:49,040 --> 02:11:50,960
Speaker 1: but I just took it. Man. I just watched these

2648
02:11:50,960 --> 02:11:53,640
Speaker 1: sponsors fall off. There's like there, oh, there go some

2649
02:11:53,680 --> 02:11:56,560
Speaker 1: more revenue. Awesome, thank you, thank you? What more do

2650
02:11:56,600 --> 02:11:58,320
Speaker 1: you want for me? You know? Did you feel at

2651
02:11:58,320 --> 02:12:00,760
Speaker 1: any moment that that maybe this was it redeemable, like

2652
02:12:00,840 --> 02:12:03,560
Speaker 1: maybe you couldn't get it back? Was there everybody like

2653
02:12:03,600 --> 02:12:05,880
Speaker 1: a low moment where you're like, dude, that I may

2654
02:12:05,960 --> 02:12:09,360
Speaker 1: never I got I guess if I didn't. It got

2655
02:12:09,400 --> 02:12:11,560
Speaker 1: to where I didn't care if I got all that back.

2656
02:12:12,080 --> 02:12:13,880
Speaker 1: I just wanted to continue to live the life that

2657
02:12:13,920 --> 02:12:17,480
Speaker 1: I believed in and that was where I found freedom.

2658
02:12:18,120 --> 02:12:20,000
Speaker 1: And then it all came kind of back around. You know,

2659
02:12:20,120 --> 02:12:22,680
Speaker 1: I just I gave up the paychecks. I gave up

2660
02:12:22,800 --> 02:12:27,280
Speaker 1: like carrying, chasing whatever the industry told me I needed

2661
02:12:27,320 --> 02:12:29,760
Speaker 1: to do. Because I was a controversial subject within the

2662
02:12:29,760 --> 02:12:33,320
Speaker 1: snowboard industry. Everybody's kind of like Carter over, Carter over here.

2663
02:12:33,360 --> 02:12:36,760
Speaker 1: You was some poaching redneck from from Wyoming, And of

2664
02:12:36,840 --> 02:12:39,360
Speaker 1: course they would like generalize me into that, into that box.

2665
02:12:39,440 --> 02:12:42,760
Speaker 1: They didn't know that, you know, my past, you know,

2666
02:12:42,840 --> 02:12:45,280
Speaker 1: and I think that's a dangerous thing. So when all

2667
02:12:45,360 --> 02:12:47,520
Speaker 1: these things are going down in our society and all

2668
02:12:47,560 --> 02:12:50,160
Speaker 1: these things, like I can really like I can kind

2669
02:12:50,200 --> 02:12:52,080
Speaker 1: of relate to some things. You know. I know what

2670
02:12:52,200 --> 02:12:54,640
Speaker 1: it's like to be stripped of your freedoms. I know

2671
02:12:54,720 --> 02:12:59,920
Speaker 1: what it's like to be just no control, just zero control.

2672
02:13:00,000 --> 02:13:02,720
Speaker 1: But it's like how you respond to this, Like are

2673
02:13:02,800 --> 02:13:05,280
Speaker 1: you are am I gonna make this my identity gonna

2674
02:13:05,320 --> 02:13:07,520
Speaker 1: Am I gonna be a victim here? Or am I

2675
02:13:07,680 --> 02:13:10,120
Speaker 1: just be like I'm gonna use that ship as fuel. Man,

2676
02:13:10,200 --> 02:13:12,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna like stand up, I'm gonna work my ass off,

2677
02:13:12,760 --> 02:13:16,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna like my My mentality was like I want

2678
02:13:16,720 --> 02:13:20,280
Speaker 1: to anybody that hated and like called me and tried

2679
02:13:20,360 --> 02:13:22,320
Speaker 1: to like hold me down, I'm gonna show them in

2680
02:13:22,360 --> 02:13:25,160
Speaker 1: like five years that like they were all wrong here.

2681
02:13:25,200 --> 02:13:28,400
Speaker 1: I am like everybody's like card Cardridge, temporary man, like

2682
02:13:28,520 --> 02:13:31,600
Speaker 1: snowboard industry. I was already like an underdog with like

2683
02:13:31,760 --> 02:13:34,120
Speaker 1: my background. Nobody has a rancher in snowboarding. Like it

2684
02:13:34,240 --> 02:13:37,720
Speaker 1: wasn't cool, dude, Like it was not cool. They're like this, dude,

2685
02:13:38,000 --> 02:13:40,240
Speaker 1: let's this cook over here. And I was like, listen,

2686
02:13:40,560 --> 02:13:41,880
Speaker 1: I grew up in the mountains. I grew up in

2687
02:13:42,120 --> 02:13:45,000
Speaker 1: the nature, Like this is this is my this is

2688
02:13:45,120 --> 02:13:47,440
Speaker 1: my ship, and I'm gonna show you guys, this is

2689
02:13:47,480 --> 02:13:50,040
Speaker 1: my ship and I live it every day. I live

2690
02:13:50,080 --> 02:13:51,480
Speaker 1: in the dirt, I live in the mounds, I live

2691
02:13:51,520 --> 02:13:54,640
Speaker 1: in the winter, and um yeah, man, I just trying

2692
02:13:54,680 --> 02:13:58,360
Speaker 1: to like keep that, keep that going. Look Like, in

2693
02:13:58,440 --> 02:14:02,080
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, our society functions on stories, right,

2694
02:14:02,360 --> 02:14:05,240
Speaker 1: and and as somebody who writes stories and thinks about

2695
02:14:05,320 --> 02:14:07,320
Speaker 1: stories and how to tell stories, you don't tell a

2696
02:14:07,360 --> 02:14:10,520
Speaker 1: story that doesn't have it doesn't have a triumph, and

2697
02:14:10,720 --> 02:14:14,040
Speaker 1: it doesn't have an ultimate challenge, doesn't have a protagonist

2698
02:14:14,080 --> 02:14:16,320
Speaker 1: and an antagonist. You don't tell a good story. You

2699
02:14:16,360 --> 02:14:19,640
Speaker 1: don't tell a flat, happy story to people to compel them.

2700
02:14:19,680 --> 02:14:22,720
Speaker 1: You don't turn on Netflix and watch somebody's happy life.

2701
02:14:23,280 --> 02:14:25,760
Speaker 1: You watch people go through ship and be imperfect and

2702
02:14:26,240 --> 02:14:30,360
Speaker 1: come out of it. And that's what makes life compelling, right,

2703
02:14:30,640 --> 02:14:36,120
Speaker 1: I mean, man, like that that uh, that's suffering and

2704
02:14:36,280 --> 02:14:39,480
Speaker 1: just that hurt and like that's so it sucks at

2705
02:14:39,520 --> 02:14:41,120
Speaker 1: the time, but man, that's the best thing for you.

2706
02:14:41,320 --> 02:14:44,400
Speaker 1: That builds character. I got a lot of character. I

2707
02:14:44,480 --> 02:14:49,640
Speaker 1: was gonna say, yeah, you're not You're not gonna meeting like,

2708
02:14:50,280 --> 02:14:52,120
Speaker 1: but my dad, like, you know, I think it comes

2709
02:14:52,160 --> 02:14:55,120
Speaker 1: back to the ranch. Man. Like, it wasn't my first beating.

2710
02:14:55,760 --> 02:14:57,920
Speaker 1: Maybe it was like that and it was like traumatic,

2711
02:14:58,040 --> 02:14:59,960
Speaker 1: but it was not my first beating. I was like, okay,

2712
02:15:00,560 --> 02:15:02,920
Speaker 1: so what we do. But I mean it prioritized my

2713
02:15:03,000 --> 02:15:05,480
Speaker 1: family and made me appreciate everything I have. I was like, listen,

2714
02:15:05,480 --> 02:15:07,400
Speaker 1: I could lose all this ship tomorrow. As long as

2715
02:15:07,440 --> 02:15:09,280
Speaker 1: I do lose my freedom and as long as I

2716
02:15:09,360 --> 02:15:12,160
Speaker 1: have my family, it's gonna be all good. You know.

2717
02:15:12,720 --> 02:15:14,720
Speaker 1: So everything passed that's been a bonus. So it's like

2718
02:15:14,920 --> 02:15:18,000
Speaker 1: it's a good dude. Well, it's like after taking all

2719
02:15:18,080 --> 02:15:20,600
Speaker 1: that time trying to battle just to understand, like I

2720
02:15:20,680 --> 02:15:23,240
Speaker 1: am I going to have freedom and then like maybe

2721
02:15:23,280 --> 02:15:26,200
Speaker 1: achieving the ultimate freedom afterwards, knowing that, like here's the

2722
02:15:26,280 --> 02:15:28,560
Speaker 1: real priority, Like I had to I had to face

2723
02:15:29,560 --> 02:15:34,160
Speaker 1: certain prison. That's a weird thought, dude. I was just saying, like,

2724
02:15:34,200 --> 02:15:36,360
Speaker 1: I know, I've been hanging out with you, dude, You're normal, dude,

2725
02:15:36,400 --> 02:15:40,160
Speaker 1: you're good dude, Like, and you were facing prison time

2726
02:15:40,200 --> 02:15:42,840
Speaker 1: from the federal government. Man, you know, and they're passed, man,

2727
02:15:42,880 --> 02:15:46,120
Speaker 1: they're pissed. And look again, I know how it is

2728
02:15:46,160 --> 02:15:48,960
Speaker 1: in our commutey and the hunting community. People people are

2729
02:15:49,160 --> 02:15:52,480
Speaker 1: rightly stripped of things when they do things wrong. They're

2730
02:15:52,560 --> 02:15:54,360
Speaker 1: right at least. So if I, you know, if I

2731
02:15:54,440 --> 02:15:56,800
Speaker 1: did if I did what you did, I'd be stripped

2732
02:15:56,840 --> 02:15:58,840
Speaker 1: of a lot of things right and rightly rightfully so

2733
02:15:58,960 --> 02:16:03,160
Speaker 1: and as as you were. Um, but there's there's there's

2734
02:16:03,200 --> 02:16:05,280
Speaker 1: always a butt to People don't deserve to get a

2735
02:16:05,400 --> 02:16:08,040
Speaker 1: race from the plan. No, we can move on. Like

2736
02:16:08,360 --> 02:16:11,120
Speaker 1: if people are like I say, accountable and and understand,

2737
02:16:11,280 --> 02:16:15,560
Speaker 1: like they admit their guilt, they stand up and they

2738
02:16:15,600 --> 02:16:18,520
Speaker 1: stand there like that's what I did, man like, well,

2739
02:16:18,600 --> 02:16:20,880
Speaker 1: why not forgive like I want to? Here you are

2740
02:16:20,960 --> 02:16:22,440
Speaker 1: right now sitting here in this one how many years?

2741
02:16:22,560 --> 02:16:24,560
Speaker 1: How many years of going by? Not that? Man? It's

2742
02:16:24,640 --> 02:16:26,960
Speaker 1: like I think I had sentenced in two thousand and twelve,

2743
02:16:27,840 --> 02:16:33,320
Speaker 1: eight years, eight years. Man sucks not having guns bullshit,

2744
02:16:33,720 --> 02:16:36,480
Speaker 1: And that's you have to get a presidential pardon, correct too?

2745
02:16:37,720 --> 02:16:41,480
Speaker 1: I think so? I mean, I just you know, I

2746
02:16:41,560 --> 02:16:45,040
Speaker 1: don't know, man, Like I can't even vote, dude, I

2747
02:16:45,080 --> 02:16:49,920
Speaker 1: can't talk to the president. You just feel like that's it. Man,

2748
02:16:50,000 --> 02:16:53,640
Speaker 1: that's well. I I've accepted it, you know, and if

2749
02:16:53,680 --> 02:16:55,600
Speaker 1: like something changed, that would be amazing. I would love

2750
02:16:55,680 --> 02:16:57,680
Speaker 1: to see my my my old man is my brother

2751
02:16:57,760 --> 02:17:02,000
Speaker 1: get our guns back? But dude, like honestly archery, like

2752
02:17:02,160 --> 02:17:04,480
Speaker 1: being able to hunt like that was the first time

2753
02:17:04,520 --> 02:17:07,680
Speaker 1: when Dudley took me out last spring with that new

2754
02:17:07,720 --> 02:17:09,600
Speaker 1: bow he built me and took me to Oklahoma and

2755
02:17:10,040 --> 02:17:12,440
Speaker 1: I hunted hogs with him, and I shot a bore

2756
02:17:13,160 --> 02:17:14,960
Speaker 1: like I didn't realize how much I missed that and

2757
02:17:15,040 --> 02:17:17,000
Speaker 1: how much that meant to me. And and he never

2758
02:17:17,160 --> 02:17:19,040
Speaker 1: judged me, he didn't look at me like I was

2759
02:17:19,160 --> 02:17:23,960
Speaker 1: just like this, like tarnished human being. He's just like,

2760
02:17:24,080 --> 02:17:27,440
Speaker 1: oh yeah, man, you're cool. Like it's just you know,

2761
02:17:27,800 --> 02:17:30,440
Speaker 1: it was like to go and get back into hunting

2762
02:17:30,480 --> 02:17:32,240
Speaker 1: and be out there. It was like such kind of

2763
02:17:32,320 --> 02:17:35,600
Speaker 1: like a rejuvenating thing for me. Was that something you

2764
02:17:35,640 --> 02:17:38,080
Speaker 1: were kind of worried about, dude, I was so worried

2765
02:17:38,120 --> 02:17:40,600
Speaker 1: about that, Like even after your your rights came back

2766
02:17:40,680 --> 02:17:42,600
Speaker 1: and you could go hunting again. Where was it something

2767
02:17:42,640 --> 02:17:45,480
Speaker 1: you just avoided because judgment? Man, Like, who wants to

2768
02:17:45,520 --> 02:17:48,440
Speaker 1: be judged, let ed? Especially in the hunting community. I mean,

2769
02:17:48,480 --> 02:17:52,600
Speaker 1: this is like a controversial topic, and I'm sure there's

2770
02:17:52,600 --> 02:17:55,120
Speaker 1: a lot of people are like that guy sucks. There's

2771
02:17:55,120 --> 02:17:56,640
Speaker 1: a lot of people can get mad at me. But

2772
02:17:57,320 --> 02:17:59,680
Speaker 1: I get and I get that. I like, I've had

2773
02:18:00,000 --> 02:18:01,840
Speaker 1: I've had experiences and when we were talking about this,

2774
02:18:01,920 --> 02:18:06,360
Speaker 1: we were hunting. Man, It's just like people, I hate

2775
02:18:06,360 --> 02:18:08,840
Speaker 1: to generalize like this, but like there is this there

2776
02:18:08,920 --> 02:18:11,320
Speaker 1: is a portion of people that want to knock folks

2777
02:18:11,400 --> 02:18:15,920
Speaker 1: down and keep them down and and listen, I get

2778
02:18:15,959 --> 02:18:17,880
Speaker 1: the anger. I get that I'm doing it the right

2779
02:18:17,920 --> 02:18:20,640
Speaker 1: way and this guy didn't. How we just should never

2780
02:18:20,680 --> 02:18:24,280
Speaker 1: celebrate him again. I get that feeling. But I met

2781
02:18:24,360 --> 02:18:25,720
Speaker 1: you and I know you what I'm talking to you,

2782
02:18:25,800 --> 02:18:28,400
Speaker 1: and I'm seeing you sit across from me, like bearing

2783
02:18:28,480 --> 02:18:31,000
Speaker 1: everything for for what you know want. There's nothing for

2784
02:18:31,040 --> 02:18:34,520
Speaker 1: you to game from sitting here talking to me. There's

2785
02:18:34,600 --> 02:18:37,800
Speaker 1: nothing and so but yet you're doing it right, and

2786
02:18:37,879 --> 02:18:41,520
Speaker 1: so that show's character. Yeah, I mean I got lots

2787
02:18:41,560 --> 02:18:44,440
Speaker 1: of it. I can look at it like no matter

2788
02:18:44,520 --> 02:18:46,520
Speaker 1: what you've done, or what I've done, or definitely what

2789
02:18:46,640 --> 02:18:48,400
Speaker 1: Joe has done for gar holding us this week, like

2790
02:18:48,440 --> 02:18:52,560
Speaker 1: we're not going to judge him for kicking rocks kicking rocks.

2791
02:18:52,680 --> 02:18:55,000
Speaker 1: But but I think like when you can look at

2792
02:18:55,040 --> 02:18:57,520
Speaker 1: somebody and they can say to you, listen, man, this

2793
02:18:57,720 --> 02:18:59,400
Speaker 1: is my story, this is my life, this is what

2794
02:18:59,520 --> 02:19:03,080
Speaker 1: I did. I fucked up. It's it's awful. But then

2795
02:19:03,120 --> 02:19:05,119
Speaker 1: you can laugh with them and learn about their life

2796
02:19:05,160 --> 02:19:07,600
Speaker 1: and their successes and the other things in their life

2797
02:19:07,640 --> 02:19:11,760
Speaker 1: that balance out the ship. What's more, what's more like human?

2798
02:19:12,120 --> 02:19:16,240
Speaker 1: What's more man, It's it's relatable And I agree, I agree.

2799
02:19:16,360 --> 02:19:19,720
Speaker 1: I mean everybody's faced their hardships, whatever degree that maybe,

2800
02:19:20,400 --> 02:19:23,080
Speaker 1: but it's like stand up man, like, don't let them

2801
02:19:23,160 --> 02:19:25,240
Speaker 1: keep you down. They want to keep you down. It's

2802
02:19:25,280 --> 02:19:27,960
Speaker 1: the easiest thing to do. Like, but people I understand, man,

2803
02:19:28,080 --> 02:19:31,280
Speaker 1: Like people are pissed. People are pissed, Like what's going on?

2804
02:19:31,480 --> 02:19:33,800
Speaker 1: People want to like they want to they don't know

2805
02:19:33,879 --> 02:19:38,200
Speaker 1: what to do. They're like lost, man, It's like, you

2806
02:19:38,240 --> 02:19:39,840
Speaker 1: know what you could do is just like be kind,

2807
02:19:39,920 --> 02:19:43,720
Speaker 1: put yourself in other people's shoes, think about what they're thinking,

2808
02:19:43,800 --> 02:19:47,720
Speaker 1: why they think that way, Respect one another, you know,

2809
02:19:47,959 --> 02:19:51,080
Speaker 1: like help your neighbor. Like if somebody doesn't you know,

2810
02:19:51,160 --> 02:19:54,240
Speaker 1: if there's a complete opposite so diverse in this world,

2811
02:19:54,320 --> 02:19:56,920
Speaker 1: like help them if you don't think they'd like you,

2812
02:19:57,040 --> 02:19:58,720
Speaker 1: that's more of the reason to go up and be like,

2813
02:19:58,800 --> 02:20:00,440
Speaker 1: hey man, how do you don smile? How are you doing?

2814
02:20:00,520 --> 02:20:03,400
Speaker 1: Dade Man? Like, yeah, it doesn't cost a penny to

2815
02:20:03,480 --> 02:20:06,560
Speaker 1: be nice, dude, I don't know. Well for you to

2816
02:20:06,600 --> 02:20:08,680
Speaker 1: go through all that, you know, and again it's like

2817
02:20:08,760 --> 02:20:10,640
Speaker 1: going through it as a turn. You went through it, happen,

2818
02:20:10,920 --> 02:20:13,360
Speaker 1: you did something wrong, you got pinched, took it, you

2819
02:20:13,480 --> 02:20:15,280
Speaker 1: took it. Here you go and then come out on

2820
02:20:15,360 --> 02:20:17,920
Speaker 1: the other edge of page. Duds come out on the

2821
02:20:18,000 --> 02:20:20,040
Speaker 1: other end like hey, positivity is the way and not

2822
02:20:20,200 --> 02:20:22,480
Speaker 1: like funk the government, you know, like, hey, man, I

2823
02:20:22,480 --> 02:20:25,160
Speaker 1: don't hear you're saying that, what are you gonna do? Man?

2824
02:20:25,240 --> 02:20:28,880
Speaker 1: It's positivity, you know, And like I generalizing things like

2825
02:20:29,600 --> 02:20:35,520
Speaker 1: is dangerous, Like there's bad there's bad eggs and every carton.

2826
02:20:36,320 --> 02:20:40,040
Speaker 1: But to say one carton is bad just because of

2827
02:20:40,120 --> 02:20:43,440
Speaker 1: what they are, like, that's that's not right. And I

2828
02:20:43,520 --> 02:20:45,680
Speaker 1: think there's great people in the government. You know, there's

2829
02:20:45,680 --> 02:20:47,680
Speaker 1: people that care in the government. Are there people that

2830
02:20:47,760 --> 02:20:51,440
Speaker 1: don't care? And are all there some duds? Yeah, lots

2831
02:20:51,480 --> 02:20:56,360
Speaker 1: of them. But like, man, we're all human, dude, Like

2832
02:20:56,440 --> 02:20:58,760
Speaker 1: whatever pistons you are. It's just like seeing each other

2833
02:20:58,800 --> 02:21:01,400
Speaker 1: as humans. You know. I'm just like acknowledging that we're

2834
02:21:01,440 --> 02:21:04,440
Speaker 1: all on the same team. Dude. Yeah, I mean, listen,

2835
02:21:06,000 --> 02:21:09,320
Speaker 1: no matter what it's it, no matter what else it is,

2836
02:21:09,480 --> 02:21:11,400
Speaker 1: no wonder what else is your like life and story

2837
02:21:11,520 --> 02:21:14,440
Speaker 1: is what you just told is powerful, like it no

2838
02:21:14,560 --> 02:21:17,160
Speaker 1: matter what it is other than that, it's powerful people

2839
02:21:17,400 --> 02:21:18,880
Speaker 1: if you really listen to it and take it in.

2840
02:21:20,480 --> 02:21:23,039
Speaker 1: Mark sitting here just bearing all this and laying all

2841
02:21:23,080 --> 02:21:28,200
Speaker 1: this out there, man, But which Peaches had a better end? Yeah? Yeah,

2842
02:21:28,320 --> 02:21:30,840
Speaker 1: she has a bad deal. A bad deal. But I

2843
02:21:30,920 --> 02:21:33,080
Speaker 1: mean that's one thing to back about to the ranch.

2844
02:21:33,160 --> 02:21:38,240
Speaker 1: It's like, man, like nothing new about death. My death

2845
02:21:38,360 --> 02:21:42,200
Speaker 1: is that's the only guarantee. Like we're all gonna die,

2846
02:21:42,440 --> 02:21:45,880
Speaker 1: like animals die, like being on the ranch, like understanding that,

2847
02:21:46,640 --> 02:21:49,320
Speaker 1: and that's really like what made me. I don't want

2848
02:21:49,360 --> 02:21:51,720
Speaker 1: to die, man, but I ain't afraid of it. I

2849
02:21:51,800 --> 02:21:54,720
Speaker 1: do not fear that, you know, I will like do things.

2850
02:21:54,800 --> 02:21:58,920
Speaker 1: I don't ever make any decisions based upon is it dangerous.

2851
02:21:59,320 --> 02:22:01,000
Speaker 1: It was like, yeah, it's dangerous. It kind of makes

2852
02:22:01,040 --> 02:22:04,040
Speaker 1: it fun. But I don't have a death wish and

2853
02:22:04,080 --> 02:22:05,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to die. But I mean I'm not

2854
02:22:05,760 --> 02:22:09,760
Speaker 1: gonna like go around scared of dying because dude, hopefully

2855
02:22:09,840 --> 02:22:13,720
Speaker 1: happens quick like lights out, and I mean it is

2856
02:22:13,800 --> 02:22:16,120
Speaker 1: what it is, you know. Yeah, man, I don't know.

2857
02:22:17,360 --> 02:22:19,040
Speaker 1: Like I said this, this is one of those times

2858
02:22:19,120 --> 02:22:23,680
Speaker 1: where you know, it's not that I can say other

2859
02:22:23,760 --> 02:22:27,280
Speaker 1: than thanks for sharing that stuff, hey, man, pleasure, thanks

2860
02:22:27,320 --> 02:22:30,560
Speaker 1: for choosing this, thanks for choosing this place, and thanks

2861
02:22:30,560 --> 02:22:34,720
Speaker 1: for taking me bear hunting any time, dude, you come about.

2862
02:22:34,720 --> 02:22:36,000
Speaker 1: You still have a bear tag for this one too.

2863
02:22:36,360 --> 02:22:38,160
Speaker 1: We know that I'd love to come back, man, get

2864
02:22:38,240 --> 02:22:41,160
Speaker 1: some meat. You're welcome any time, man, because it is Uh,

2865
02:22:41,440 --> 02:22:43,880
Speaker 1: don't have to be bears either, could be anything, do something,

2866
02:22:43,959 --> 02:22:46,520
Speaker 1: something will happen, Something will happened. But yeah, we had

2867
02:22:46,640 --> 02:22:50,040
Speaker 1: fucking blast. That was blast. That's good. That's fun, like

2868
02:22:50,800 --> 02:22:53,880
Speaker 1: when you can. We just hiked and sat around. We

2869
02:22:54,000 --> 02:22:58,280
Speaker 1: met a little older couple that were so nice to us.

2870
02:22:58,320 --> 02:23:00,240
Speaker 1: They were asked us all kinds of crazy questions. Hey,

2871
02:23:00,959 --> 02:23:03,480
Speaker 1: there was an older guy who was a hunter, like

2872
02:23:03,720 --> 02:23:06,160
Speaker 1: quote unquote hunter had hunted before with guys and things,

2873
02:23:06,200 --> 02:23:09,199
Speaker 1: and then his wife it was completely and utterly clueless

2874
02:23:09,280 --> 02:23:12,120
Speaker 1: to what was going on, and she's like, how do

2875
02:23:12,160 --> 02:23:15,160
Speaker 1: you get a bear out? If you how do you

2876
02:23:15,959 --> 02:23:18,000
Speaker 1: shoot it with a bow more than one. I love

2877
02:23:18,040 --> 02:23:20,400
Speaker 1: when people are interested in something they know nothing about,

2878
02:23:20,560 --> 02:23:23,280
Speaker 1: and I think that's how that's how we should be. Man.

2879
02:23:23,360 --> 02:23:25,640
Speaker 1: We just like, you know, answer them with a smile.

2880
02:23:25,959 --> 02:23:30,200
Speaker 1: Don't look at him like this pretentious look like you're dumb, Like, hey,

2881
02:23:30,320 --> 02:23:33,080
Speaker 1: oh yeah you're interested. Here you go. That's the first step,

2882
02:23:33,600 --> 02:23:36,200
Speaker 1: like understanding. She wants to understand man and appreciate it.

2883
02:23:36,720 --> 02:23:39,360
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what, man, flat out totally honest,

2884
02:23:40,160 --> 02:23:44,320
Speaker 1: looking the eye you appreciate for lices is in infections.

2885
02:23:44,959 --> 02:23:49,640
Speaker 1: Joe would agree when you look at when you've seen

2886
02:23:49,720 --> 02:23:54,280
Speaker 1: death a lot like you appreciate that life and especially

2887
02:23:54,360 --> 02:23:56,640
Speaker 1: like the existential, like your social life and the way

2888
02:23:56,680 --> 02:23:58,520
Speaker 1: you're seeing in your industry and how hard you work

2889
02:23:58,560 --> 02:24:01,480
Speaker 1: to gain a stand and having that you know just

2890
02:24:01,600 --> 02:24:04,600
Speaker 1: wrecked for for you know, for reasons that you caused.

2891
02:24:05,400 --> 02:24:13,480
Speaker 1: It's it's a good anyway. Like I'm glad you told

2892
02:24:13,520 --> 02:24:15,440
Speaker 1: that story. I'm glad you came here. We had a

2893
02:24:15,480 --> 02:24:18,080
Speaker 1: good time. Man, I appreciate I know you're busy, dude,

2894
02:24:18,080 --> 02:24:20,720
Speaker 1: you got a lot going on. All I wanted from

2895
02:24:20,720 --> 02:24:22,720
Speaker 1: you is to get some meat. Now I get some

2896
02:24:22,800 --> 02:24:25,480
Speaker 1: of that Carter Country beef, will make it happen. Man,

2897
02:24:25,680 --> 02:24:29,040
Speaker 1: that's all happened. Carter Country meats all right, Thanks bro, hell, Yes,

2898
02:24:37,800 --> 02:24:40,560
Speaker 1: that's it. That's all another episode in the books. Thanks

2899
02:24:40,600 --> 02:24:43,440
Speaker 1: for hanging with us a little longer than normal. But um,

2900
02:24:43,720 --> 02:24:48,039
Speaker 1: like an incredibly powerful story all the way around from

2901
02:24:48,040 --> 02:24:51,720
Speaker 1: our Carter Um. It was emotional, man. After I wanted

2902
02:24:51,760 --> 02:24:54,360
Speaker 1: to give that dude to hug after we recorded, because

2903
02:24:54,600 --> 02:24:57,040
Speaker 1: it took some courage for him to sit down and

2904
02:24:58,400 --> 02:25:04,280
Speaker 1: go into that detail that story. Um, it's not man,

2905
02:25:04,800 --> 02:25:07,200
Speaker 1: I'll let me just say it this way. I'm glad

2906
02:25:07,280 --> 02:25:09,120
Speaker 1: that he came here. I'm glad that he opened up.

2907
02:25:09,120 --> 02:25:11,160
Speaker 1: I'm glad that he told his side of the story,

2908
02:25:11,240 --> 02:25:13,400
Speaker 1: and I'm glad that we're all able to take that

2909
02:25:13,480 --> 02:25:15,360
Speaker 1: in and learn from it. I think of all the

2910
02:25:15,400 --> 02:25:17,520
Speaker 1: things we've done a hundred thirty one episodes, I think

2911
02:25:17,680 --> 02:25:21,640
Speaker 1: his story is the most unique and the most impactful

2912
02:25:21,720 --> 02:25:24,560
Speaker 1: that I have heard. And really, when I started this podcast,

2913
02:25:24,640 --> 02:25:27,440
Speaker 1: I just wanted to share people stories and perspective so

2914
02:25:27,520 --> 02:25:30,480
Speaker 1: we could all get the idea of what this collective

2915
02:25:30,520 --> 02:25:32,760
Speaker 1: hunting community is all about. And I think what Mark

2916
02:25:32,920 --> 02:25:35,560
Speaker 1: is able to do is so unique because you're not

2917
02:25:35,600 --> 02:25:38,119
Speaker 1: gonna find Phil and Joe. You're not gonna find someone

2918
02:25:38,240 --> 02:25:40,120
Speaker 1: just to tell you their story about how they their

2919
02:25:40,160 --> 02:25:43,080
Speaker 1: convicted felon and the convicted poacher. Most people that have

2920
02:25:43,240 --> 02:25:46,720
Speaker 1: that happened to them, they either get punished or they

2921
02:25:46,800 --> 02:25:48,920
Speaker 1: get off and then they never talk about it again

2922
02:25:48,959 --> 02:25:51,720
Speaker 1: because it ain't great pr especially for somebody like Mark,

2923
02:25:51,760 --> 02:25:54,600
Speaker 1: who's who's out in the public sphere. So it's a

2924
02:25:54,720 --> 02:25:57,280
Speaker 1: it's a rare occurrence to get somebody like that that's

2925
02:25:57,320 --> 02:25:59,360
Speaker 1: brave enough to sit down and just rip out a

2926
02:25:59,400 --> 02:26:02,200
Speaker 1: story like that. I just I want to repeat this

2927
02:26:02,240 --> 02:26:05,040
Speaker 1: because I think it's important. It's something that it's like

2928
02:26:05,200 --> 02:26:08,320
Speaker 1: looking into a mirror, like what people around you. I've

2929
02:26:08,400 --> 02:26:11,680
Speaker 1: had friends, I've had friends, very close friends. In fact,

2930
02:26:11,720 --> 02:26:14,360
Speaker 1: it was one of my very best friend's birthday yesterday.

2931
02:26:15,320 --> 02:26:18,080
Speaker 1: He's dead. He's been dead for I think six or

2932
02:26:18,120 --> 02:26:21,879
Speaker 1: seven years now. Uh he died of an overdose heroin.

2933
02:26:22,560 --> 02:26:24,640
Speaker 1: And but he was like my brother growing up. And

2934
02:26:24,720 --> 02:26:28,279
Speaker 1: he's not around anymore. And he did some terribly irredeemable

2935
02:26:28,320 --> 02:26:33,440
Speaker 1: ship on his way out the door, stealing, fighting, all

2936
02:26:33,520 --> 02:26:37,760
Speaker 1: kinds of things during his addiction, and uh boy, some

2937
02:26:38,040 --> 02:26:40,520
Speaker 1: some stuff that society probably wouldn't give him a break for.

2938
02:26:41,280 --> 02:26:43,080
Speaker 1: And so now I'm left like he's not here anymore,

2939
02:26:43,080 --> 02:26:45,520
Speaker 1: and I'm left to kind of decide whether I'm going

2940
02:26:45,560 --> 02:26:47,520
Speaker 1: to forgive him or what it means that he's gone.

2941
02:26:47,600 --> 02:26:49,520
Speaker 1: And and those are the things he did in his

2942
02:26:49,680 --> 02:26:53,199
Speaker 1: last days, months, years on the earth. And so there's

2943
02:26:53,240 --> 02:26:56,080
Speaker 1: just just take a look in the mirror, think about it,

2944
02:26:56,760 --> 02:26:58,600
Speaker 1: and then when you're moving around the world, whether you're

2945
02:26:58,600 --> 02:27:01,600
Speaker 1: on the internet or you're not, think about it. Think

2946
02:27:01,640 --> 02:27:05,160
Speaker 1: about what people deserve, think about your own imperfections, think

2947
02:27:05,160 --> 02:27:09,000
Speaker 1: about the imperfections of the people around you, and hopefully

2948
02:27:09,040 --> 02:27:11,840
Speaker 1: that will allow you to have compassion for just about

2949
02:27:11,879 --> 02:27:16,320
Speaker 1: anyone in the right situation. Again, there are certain people

2950
02:27:16,400 --> 02:27:18,880
Speaker 1: that just do things that are flat out evil and

2951
02:27:18,920 --> 02:27:22,440
Speaker 1: they don't deserve it, but there are plenty more people

2952
02:27:22,480 --> 02:27:24,800
Speaker 1: that do. So that's it. You see you next week.

2953
02:27:26,400 --> 02:27:30,600
Speaker 1: Say bye, philm goodbye because I can't go a week

2954
02:27:30,680 --> 02:27:44,880
Speaker 1: without doing rong drank