1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: It goes like this the game feel this is to 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: steal prayer from me. Y'all role school at two far out, 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: you don't want heavy with me? Feel almost want to 4 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 1: ask you a question real quick. Let's just keep a 5 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 1: real straight shot for no Chaser. I'm gonna get a 6 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: little bit roughly roughly, you ain't even wi us hunting not. 7 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: I'm here for those who really believed in the American process, 8 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: all of us. You feel straight Shot No Chaser with 9 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: your girls testing figure out on the Black Effect podcasting 10 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,279 Speaker 1: net work name work. Hello, everybody, shout out to all 11 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: of my straight shooters. You're listening to Teslam figure rou 12 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 1: straight Shot No Chaser. I always talk about it, and 13 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: I say this before every podcast that having allies are wonderful, 14 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: but it's always important to have some straight shooters. And 15 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: when I say that, I mean people who are willing 16 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: to speak truth to power, who are not interested in 17 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: making friends, those who are giving a certain purpose in 18 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: life in order to be truthful and honest about our discussions. 19 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: That is what this podcast is about, not just this episode, 20 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: but in its entirety on what I am trying to 21 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: bring to you my listeners at straight Shoulders Thank you 22 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: so much for joining me today. We are going to 23 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: have a very profound conversation with two people that I've 24 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: had an opportunity to work within the social justice space, 25 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: that I know personally, but more importantly, a story that 26 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: it's unheard to a lot of people. People have not 27 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: heard about this story at least, although it was a 28 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: national story, people are unaware. They do not know that 29 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: this particular incident happened in two thousand eight. We tend 30 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: to only talk about victims who have been killed by police. 31 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: We tend to only show attention to those two the 32 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: families that have had to endure a loss which is 33 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: certainly painful, certainly something that we wouldn't wish upon anyone. 34 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: But it is also important to talk about those who 35 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: have lived to tell the story this podcast today we 36 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: will be talking to Robbie Tolin, who was shot in 37 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: bell Air, Texas and December. On December two thousand eight, 38 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: I want you to go back in your mind and 39 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: you you will see that I will do this on 40 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: a lot of podcasts. I always want you as a 41 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: listener because we're not we don't have TV, so it's 42 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: really important that you you close your eyes and you 43 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: go back and you think about what was going on 44 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: in two thousand eight. Obviously, in two thousand eight, Barack 45 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 1: Obama was recently elected to office. Everyone's mindset of now 46 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: we have finally overcame, which is not true, which we'll 47 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: talk about another podcast, but the the mindset of, hey, 48 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: we have a black president. Things are feeling good. I 49 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: feel now that we have America has finally come to 50 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: a place to recognize that maybe perhaps we will be 51 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: judged by the content of our character and not the 52 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 1: color of our skin. I'm gonna welcome to the show 53 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: Robbie Tolin and his mother is also here, Mary and Tolin, 54 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: and we're going to start with Robbie telling the story 55 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: on what happened in two thousand eight. But I first 56 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 1: wanted you to get your mind wrapped around that time 57 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: so that as he tells you this story, it will 58 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: prick your conscious, it will give you some some feeling 59 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: about how you were feeling in two thousand and eight 60 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: after President Obama was elected. And let's see the contrast 61 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: on what the reality was for Robbie Tolin as he 62 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: drove home in bel Air, Texas, which is a upper 63 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: middle class area, and how he was not judged on 64 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: his content or character, but on the color of his skin. 65 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, Robbie, Thank you so much for 66 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: being here. If you will walk our listeners through that 67 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: particular night what happened in December two, and thank you 68 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: for having me. It's honor to be on with you. 69 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: Um As my mom and I both consider ourselves to 70 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: be straight shooters for sure, then you know my mom. 71 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: So I was driving home, uh December thirty first, New 72 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: Year's Eve, well it was. It was on thet going 73 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: into the thirty first. It was after midnight, and I 74 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: pulled up in front of my house that I lived 75 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 1: at for fifteen years at the time, in a car 76 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 1: that I had had for four years at the time. 77 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 1: And I pulled up and parked on my street in 78 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: front of my parents house, as I always did, and 79 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 1: I turned the car off and opened the door, and 80 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: I saw a set of headlights shining on the inside 81 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: of my door. I looked back, I saw there was 82 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: a Bellior police car. I didn't panic, I wasn't nervous. 83 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: I hadn't done anything. And in bel Air, a city 84 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: of about three thousand or so residents at least, that's 85 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: what it was at the time. I don't know what 86 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: it is now. Um, in a city of about three 87 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: thousand residents, they have their own police department, so uh. 88 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: You know, I went to Bellior High School about a 89 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: mile away from the house, and it wasn't uncommon to 90 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: see police officers driving up and down the streets at 91 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: all times of the night. So, um, I didn't think 92 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: anything of it. It was just a normal late night 93 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 1: for me and my cousin Anthony and I were getting 94 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: out of the car, getting our things together and walking 95 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 1: up to the to the door. Well, just as we 96 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: were getting out, the car drove o bias maybe you 97 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: turn at the end of the street and just sat there. 98 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: And you know, again I didn't think anything of it. 99 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: We got to the front porch of the house, my 100 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: parents house, and we heard get on the ground and 101 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 1: we turned to look and I saw that it was 102 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 1: an officer with his gun and flashlight on my cousin 103 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: and I and we said, you know why. He said, 104 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: we got to report, you know that the car stone 105 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: or some some something to that nature. And I said, no, 106 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 1: that's that's a mistake. This is my car. I had 107 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: my idea. I can show you so get on the 108 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: ground right now. You know, the more we tried to 109 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 1: explain that, hey, this is a mistake. Let me show 110 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: you my idea, let me show you my you know, 111 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: the car is in my name, the more agitated you 112 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: got even want to hear it. So my parents, having 113 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: just gotten home themselves, had come outside, had heard us. 114 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: You know, hey, what's going on? This is my car. 115 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: They had heard as from inside of the house, and 116 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: and that's when they that's when my parents came outside, 117 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: and uh, I we had a a pane glass window 118 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: in the in the front door, so I could see 119 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: my parents about to come outside. So I said, okay, 120 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: I'll get on the ground now because you know, mom 121 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: and dad are gonna come outside and cleared this whole 122 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: thing up. So I get on the ground and my 123 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: my dad walks out. First he saw that it was 124 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: an officer with his gun gun drawn. He threw his 125 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: hands up. He said, you know, what's what's going on. 126 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: The officers said something to the effect of you know 127 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: the car that they're driving and stolen. My dad said, no, 128 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: that's a mistake. That's our car, that's my son, that's 129 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: my nephew, this is our house. At that point he 130 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: the officer pointed his gun and my dad and and 131 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: took him at gunpoint, uh, and put him up against 132 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: another car that was parked in the driveway. My mom 133 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: is is, you know, pleading like, hey, this is a 134 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: big mistake. We've lived here fifteen years. Nothing like this 135 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: has ever happened to us. This is ridiculous. You know, 136 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: you guys have made a big mistake. And at that 137 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: point we didn't know that the officer had been calling 138 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: for back up repeatedly, so another officer at that point 139 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: had had run up the driveway and uh. I told 140 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: my mom to get against the wall, and she said, 141 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: you know who me this is, this is my house. 142 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: And he kind of dragged her across the driveway and 143 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: threw her into the garage door. And at that point 144 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: I not so nicely told him to get his hands 145 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: off my mother, and without saying the word, he drew 146 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 1: was gonna shot me at that time when your parents 147 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: came out of the house too, you know. And and 148 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: and I kind of I want to connect this to 149 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: the George Floyd case. That obviously a case that shook 150 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: the world because of one of the things that we 151 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: know with shootings that happened so fast and so quick, 152 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: and there's always somebody you know, to say to either 153 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: try to justify it. Either the police officers are those 154 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: who shoot. Those who support police officers always say, you know, 155 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: it was sudden. I didn't know what was going on. 156 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: There was a quick reaction and knee jerk reaction with 157 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: the George Floyd case. When the world saw George Floyd 158 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: having the life drained out of him for eight minutes 159 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:42,439 Speaker 1: and forty six seconds, it shook the world in another 160 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: in a in another way that it never had before. 161 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: It allowed people to see that every sixty second interval 162 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: this police officer had an opportunity to get off of 163 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 1: his neck. It allowed the world to hear people with 164 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 1: their plea of you're killing him, you're hurting him, he 165 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: can't breathe, he's dying. The third part that really shook 166 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: everybody to their core. What's George Floyd calling out to 167 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: his mama. To hear an adult man call out to 168 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: his mother. And of course, as we see the transcripts 169 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: that have been released, he also talked. He also talked 170 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: about his kids, you know, called out as kids. But 171 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: what really shook people to the core was him calling 172 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: out for his mother. Later we found out that his 173 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: mother was deceased and she was not even among us, 174 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 1: but something in his spirit called for Mama, your mother, 175 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: Mary and Tolin, who is a part of the Mothers 176 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: of the Movement, which was founded as a support system 177 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: from all of these collective cases. And I think people 178 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: never really understood what the Mothers of the Movement meant, 179 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:58,959 Speaker 1: like what that meant. We know that it means that 180 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: there's a mother that is grieving the loss of her 181 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: child or had to endure police brutality such as your 182 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: mother had with you. But I think now America understands 183 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: the pain of a mother and how the mother is 184 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: not just the nurturer from a physical standpoint, but a 185 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: spiritual standpoint. By the fact that George Floyd was calling 186 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: out to his mother's spirit. I want to play a 187 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: tape of your mother who was there with you, and 188 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: I want my listeners to think about because this is 189 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: what's so powerful to me, and this is what really 190 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: shook me to my core. As you listen to this clip, 191 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: I want you to think about George Floyd screaming Mama. 192 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: If George floyd mother was alive at the time, if 193 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: George Floyd's mother was on the scene at the time. 194 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: The way your mother was on the scene with you 195 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: at the time, which is this is very rare. This 196 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: is why this case is so important that we talked 197 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: about this case because it's very rare when someone's mother 198 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: has an opportunity to be at the scene when her 199 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 1: child is enduring police brutality. Most mothers run to the 200 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: scene after it has happened. Your mother was at the 201 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: scene at the time. So as we listen to this, 202 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: I want my listeners to listen to your mother call 203 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 1: out to God to save your life. This is what 204 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: George Floyd was asking his mother to do, which was 205 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: to speak directly to the angels, directly into God's ear 206 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: to save him. And I want to listen to that 207 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: clip so that people can hear what George Floyd's mother 208 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,719 Speaker 1: was possibly doing in heaven at that time, because I'm 209 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: a spiritual person and I believe in that at that 210 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: time on behalf of her son. Let's listen to the 211 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: clip us the name of Jesus. What you just heard 212 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: was the clip of Marrying Tolin screaming out to her 213 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: son while he was shot and he was on the ground. 214 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: Now let's listen to what happened after he was shot 215 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: and what happened in the back of the police car. 216 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: I need to get out of here. I ain't gonna 217 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: check on my child as soon as they get here 218 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: if I can be released. So you heard the clip 219 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: of Mary and Toland, who was my next guests, scream 220 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: out in the name of Jesus, heal him, Lord, protect him, Lord, 221 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: keep him Lord. Those were the things that came out 222 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: of her mouth, that came out of her spirit, that 223 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 1: came out of her healing hands as she laid or 224 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: she stood over Robbie Tolin, asking that the Lord spares 225 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 1: him for what she just endured with her son. This 226 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 1: particular clip, because you cannot see for those who know, 227 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 1: for those who do not are from not familiar with 228 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: the case, I encourage you to go back and watch 229 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: one of the many documentaries that outlined this uh in, 230 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: particularly one with Brian Gumble on Real Sports. They just 231 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 1: did a refresher on this case. Because I want you 232 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: to go back and look at the camera that we 233 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: cannot see Mariyan Tolin, but you can hear her words, 234 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: you can hear her plea, you can hear Robbie moaning 235 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: out in pain. And just compare that to how powerful 236 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: that is with the George Floyd case and why he 237 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: called upon his mother. Why we have the mothers, the 238 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: mothers of the movement, Why they're here to nurture us, 239 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: to protect us, to defend us. And I want you 240 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: to think about what you would have done if it 241 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: would have been your son. I believe, and Robbie believes that. 242 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: In fact, he had on a shirt Robbie in the 243 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: Real Sports documentary that said I'm here because a mother 244 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: prayed for me or black Alive because of the prayers 245 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: of black women. Yes, yes, yes, sir, that man that's 246 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: so powerful. Let's talk about the prayer of the black woman. 247 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: Who is your mother? Her name is maryon Toland. Marian 248 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: walked me through your response to your child being shot 249 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: in front of you, and how you called upon the 250 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: Lord and what you felt you needed to do in 251 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: that moment. Walk us through that from your point of view. Well, 252 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: it happened so fast. And one thing that I want 253 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: the listeners to realize it said that officer was on 254 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: the scene thirty two seconds and Robbie was shot. He 255 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: was not there. He did not assess the situation. He 256 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: lied in court. He was that he was on the 257 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: scene thirty two seconds and Robbie was shot. And it 258 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: happens so fast that I did not even realize the 259 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: fire from his gun. I saw it in front of me. 260 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: And then when Robbie, I heard Robbie say, oh God. 261 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: And when he said oh God, I knew he had 262 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: been hit. And I immediately said, Robbie, called the name 263 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: of Jesus. And and I started praying. I said, call 264 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: his name, call his name. And because I wanted Robbie 265 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: to connect and I wanted him to fight, I didn't. 266 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: I couldn't even I couldn't even wrap my mind around 267 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: what had just happened. But I knew that God had 268 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: to help us through this and um And so after 269 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: he was shot, they took my husband, put him in 270 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: the back of a police car. They took my nephew, 271 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: handcuffed him, put him in the back of the police car, 272 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: and then a female officer came to get me in. 273 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: By this time, I had just slid down. My leg 274 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: gave out and I just slid down on the ground, 275 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 1: but my hands were still up and I was just 276 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: praying because I wanted Robbie to hear me pray Jesus God. 277 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: I wanted him to connect to what I was saying. 278 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: I wanted him to know that I was there. I 279 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: wanted him to know that God was there. And I 280 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:30,360 Speaker 1: had been praying for him his whole life. I mean 281 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: even when Robbie was in high school, on the way 282 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: to school every morning, we prayed every morning. Um, I 283 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: prayed for him every morning on the way to school, 284 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: and then after the Columbine situation, we started praying for 285 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: the school. So prayer was definitely a part of our life. 286 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 1: But I wanted him to hear me. So when they 287 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:56,959 Speaker 1: came to put me in the back of the police, 288 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: CARDS said, can I please stay here and pray for 289 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:03,239 Speaker 1: my child? They just took me. They really treated me 290 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: like I had committed a crime. You know. The lady 291 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 1: handled me roughly. They put me behind in the back 292 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 1: of another police car. And so when I was back, 293 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: I was screaming because not only did I want God 294 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 1: to hear me, I wanted Robbie to hear me. I 295 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: wanted him to know I was near, and I wanted 296 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: him to connect with me, pray with me in pleading, 297 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: you know, the word says, so that two or more 298 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: who agree. I mean, you're misst and that's what I wanted. 299 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: I wanted him to fight, and that's why I was screaming. 300 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: And at one point one officer said, be quiet, and 301 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: I said, what I'm praying for my child? Are you 302 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 1: kidding me? I mean, they really treated us like we 303 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: had committed a crime and no crime had been committed. 304 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: And I said, am I criminal? I said, you can 305 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: I go to my child? They would not allow me 306 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: to go to him. So I'm in the back of 307 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: a police car and I see them roll him in 308 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 1: a stretch and take him in an ambulance and leave 309 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: and I don't even know which hospital he's going to. 310 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: I know nothing. They wouldn't answer any questions for us 311 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 1: at all. It was It was horrific. But the only 312 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 1: thing that I was able to keep my mind. What's 313 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: the focus on him connecting with me and praying? And man, 314 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 1: the trauma associated with that, it just brings me to 315 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 1: it just I mean, it's still just hearing you and 316 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: listening to that clip is shakes me to my core. 317 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: I mean it to hear you scream out. Let me 318 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: let me ask that Robbie as as she was, and 319 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: then I'm going to get into how we need to 320 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 1: move forward and some things about the case that I 321 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 1: think people needed to know. But as she was praying 322 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: over your body as you lay eat on the ground, 323 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 1: walked me through that. What what was going through your 324 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: mind at the time. I don't Again, it happened so 325 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 1: fast that I didn't know. I saw him drop the gun, 326 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: I heard the pop, I saw the fire, and then 327 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: I felt pressure, and so, I mean, just in my 328 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: imaginative cartoon mind, I was like, no, he didn't shoot 329 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,199 Speaker 1: me with a real bullet, you know what I mean. 330 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: I'm thinking maybe it was rubber bullets, Maybe it was 331 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: a bean bag. I felt pressure, and um, I the 332 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 1: force behind the bullet lifted me up to my feet 333 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 1: and knocked me against the front door. And then I 334 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: fell on the ground. And it didn't it didn't click 335 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: for me until I lifted up my shirt and put 336 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: my hand where I felt the pressure, and I pulled 337 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: it out and it was full of blood. Blood was 338 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: dripping down my forearm, and and I heard my mom 339 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 1: say something like, you know, I see, oh my god, 340 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 1: I see smoke coming from his chest, like she saw 341 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 1: the smoke and the officer said, you know, something like, well, 342 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: that's just the bullet haaring through the fibers of his shirt, 343 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: like not like you know what I mean, like it 344 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: it was. It was so cavalier the way they said it. 345 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: But but you know again, it didn't It didn't click 346 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 1: for me until then. And then and then I was 347 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: in so much pain and the bullet went through my lung, 348 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: collapsed my lung, so I couldn't breathe. But I heard 349 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: her praying, and you know, I, you know, you think 350 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: you're gonna die in this situation, you know what I mean? 351 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: And I, you know, was close to it and statistically 352 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 1: probably should have, but I kept I didn't have any 353 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: breath in me, and so with whatever breath I could muster, 354 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: I just kept trying to just to to pray audibly, 355 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: like instead of you know, trying to wrap my mind 356 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 1: around what happened, I just kept I didn't even know 357 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: what to to to pray except the Lord's prayer. I 358 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: just kept trying to say, our father, our find our fine, 359 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: and I couldn't that That's really all I could get out. 360 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: But I heard her, and so I wanted to keep 361 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: I wanted to keep fighting that's so powerful. This show 362 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 1: could easily be longer than my normal shows because there's 363 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: so many different things we can pick. You know, just 364 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: just unpack here one of a black man defending his mother. 365 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: You know, your reason for saying, you know, hey, you know, 366 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 1: get stopped roughing up my mother? You know, is your 367 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: responsibility as a man, as a son to have that 368 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: be pretty much taken away from you says a lot. 369 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: To have your mother and your dad they're witnessing, that 370 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: says a lot. The trauma that you still have to 371 00:22:49,680 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: endure what that says a lot. As we move forward 372 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 1: with this, let's get into the case and how you 373 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: guys were able to not be successful on the local 374 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 1: And I really want people to go back and watch 375 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: that documentary because it lays all of this out that 376 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 1: I can't get all in this particular show, but it 377 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: lays out the issues that you had to go with 378 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 1: on a go through on the local level. The arrogance, 379 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: the spitefulness, the disrespect. Uh. They they felt as if, 380 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 1: how dare you, you know, challenge the system. I also 381 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: want people to know about the career in baseball that 382 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: they stole from you. People also need to know that 383 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 1: you were not only on your way to do well 384 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: in baseball, but you were genetically positioned with your father 385 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: who also did well in baseball. And how again, there's 386 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: so many things we can unpack here, how your your 387 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,360 Speaker 1: destiny was set out on a different course, and how 388 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 1: the police change your destiny in in a a blink 389 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: of of an eye. Walked me through quickly the local 390 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: trial and why you guys ended up pushing all the 391 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: way to the Supreme Court. Well, the local trial was 392 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: you know, it was evident that the officer, uh, he lied. 393 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: You know, they lied so much. And that's why transparency 394 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: is so important because he just lied so so much 395 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: on the witness stand. He wasn't indicted. By the grace 396 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: of God, we got an indictment because so many families, 397 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: even with videos, there's no indictment. And we had four 398 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: eye witnesses, you know, we didn't have a video, but 399 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: we had four eye witnesses. Well, when we just knew 400 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: that the guy would be convicted, I mean, you know, 401 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 1: how why not the facts were there? This kid didn't 402 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: have a obliviash he even have a parking ticket. Um, 403 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: you know, he was unarmed. It was there's no reason 404 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: you know this this business that they say he was 405 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: reaching for something in his waistband. Now, who in their 406 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: right mind would reach for something they don't have. I can't. 407 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: I can't have them saying that over and over again. 408 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: But when that officer was found not guilty, oh my god, 409 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: Robbie collapsed. It was just like I can't. It was 410 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: like he was assaulted again. If we we relived that again, 411 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: that has got to stop. It's got to stop with 412 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: black people and brown people not getting justice in the 413 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: courtrooms of America. That has got to stop. So we 414 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: we did not have success at the in the criminal trial. 415 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: He was found that guilty, he went back to the 416 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: same job. In fact, he's gotten a promotion since then. 417 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 1: He was a sergeant when he shot Robbie. Now he's lieutenant. 418 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: It was like he got an award for you know, shooting. 419 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 1: It didn't hurt his record, it didn't hurt his reputation. 420 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: It was just like a badge of honor. And then 421 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: the judge in the federal court, the judge dismissed our case, 422 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: our civil case based on qualified immunity, which method the 423 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: officer was just doing his job. Not only did she 424 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: dismissed the case. She ordered us to pay the officer's 425 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:41,199 Speaker 1: court fees, which were almost seven thousand dollars. So this 426 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 1: man shoots my son, the bullet is still in his 427 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: liver today and we have to pay for his court fees. 428 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:56,199 Speaker 1: That was in the federal court. So we petitioned the 429 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: judge and asked, can we please can you put a 430 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: say on us paying those quarter fees because we're in 431 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: the process of founding an appeal now. For in a PILL, 432 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 1: you only have thirty days. So imagine poor black people 433 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: who's not in the position that we were in a 434 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: You know, at least we had a house to sell, 435 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: But imagine people who have thirty days of founding a 436 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 1: PILL and they have no no resources. You know, they 437 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: just get they get away with this stuff, just over 438 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 1: and over and over and over again. But we were 439 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 1: blessed to find um an attorney that took the case. 440 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: We put our house on the market and I said, 441 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: we'll sell the house. And the attorney was like, I 442 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:45,880 Speaker 1: don't want you to sell your home. I don't want 443 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,959 Speaker 1: you to be homeless. And I said, this is important 444 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: to me. I can get another house. I have to 445 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: be able to look in Robbie's face and say I 446 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: did all I could. I could not just take I 447 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:09,360 Speaker 1: couldn't just be treated like this and do nothing. And 448 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: that is what led us to found appeal, and we 449 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 1: were advised not to because the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals, 450 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: which takes care of Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi, is the 451 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: most conservative in the nation. Well that's a nice way 452 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: of saying the most racist in the nation. And we 453 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: lost that. They ruled against us, and then we asked 454 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: for the all seventeen judges in the Fifth Circuit to 455 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: review the case, and out of seventeen three old opinions 456 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: in our favor. And from there we went to the 457 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: United States Supreme Court. And what what we were focusing 458 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: on at the Supreme Court was the fact that we 459 00:28:54,840 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: had four eyewitnesses, four depositions, and the judge just did 460 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: not consider our testimony. She just took the officer's word 461 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: and dismissed the case, which is what they do all 462 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: the time. There was a lot of things that happened 463 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: with that when we got to the Supreme Court, and 464 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: I didn't even tell Robbie we were the Supreme Court 465 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: that we had filed until we had already fouled and 466 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: we had it was already they had already conference theicates 467 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: and all that, because he had so many disappointments, and 468 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: I knew he would say, why mom, why we're not 469 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: gonna We're not gonna win. You know. I just didn't 470 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: want him to have another disappointment and I didn't want 471 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: him to be discouraged. And also I didn't tell my husband. 472 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: Now the attorney didn't know this. He thought everybody was 473 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: on the same page. But I didn't tell my husband 474 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: because I knew he would have said, we can't afford it. 475 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: And I'm like, we can't afford not to. So when 476 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: I went to the Supreme Court, the court contact bel 477 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: Air and they said do you have a response? They 478 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: said no, And the Supreme United States Supreme Court said 479 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: will you have a response? And they said no. Well 480 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: that took the Supreme Court off, so they ordered them 481 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: to respond, and there was enough red flags in their 482 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: response by them ignoring and skirting the issues that the 483 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: Supreme Court for the first time in history, or in 484 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: all the records from the criminal trial, and then when 485 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: they got those records, they are in all the records 486 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: from the civil case. They've never done this before. And 487 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: then they are in all the evidence, so they saw 488 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: all the videos and they conferenced our case thirteen times 489 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: thirteen times before, and then we won. We got the 490 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: first unanimous decision in the United States Supreme Court in 491 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: thirteen years, in the first civil rights case against a 492 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:10,719 Speaker 1: police officer over twenty five years. And what that was, 493 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: what that did was it got our case to go 494 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 1: back to the same judge. It got it remanded back 495 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: into her court because she was she was like, we 496 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: didn't have a case. And what it means for other 497 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: people because it's law told versus cottonent's case law. I mean, 498 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: people can look it up. It's just like same sex 499 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: marriages law, all those that's law. And now when a 500 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: police officer is is in a in a civil rights 501 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: case and the police officer it's going against an individual, 502 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: the judge cannot only consider the police officers side. They 503 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: have to consider both side. Thank you for walking us 504 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: through that. I'm telling you, every time you speak it 505 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,239 Speaker 1: just sends something too through my body, and I know 506 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: the listeners are feeling the same way you talked about 507 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: qualified immunity, and that is something that why I feel 508 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: your case is so important to be bumped back up 509 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: because it is the perfect case to me to explain 510 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 1: to people why the ability to go after police officers 511 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: are so important. What is your mission moving forward? And 512 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna start with you, Robbie, And I know Miss 513 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: Tolman you also have a mission in this and what 514 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: the mothers of the movement is about. But Robbie, what 515 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: is your mission and going forward that you've learned from 516 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: this this life changing experience? You you you thought you would 517 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: be playing baseball, but now God has called you to 518 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 1: play in another game. And I call politics a game 519 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,239 Speaker 1: because that's exactly what it is. So what are you 520 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: doing now? And how do you see yourself in this 521 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: position the picture? Are you the catcher? Are you running 522 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: from base to base? Because we all have a position 523 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: in this game, all politics and social justice. So what 524 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: is your position now as we move forward with this movement? 525 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: Before I answered that, let me also mentioned that there 526 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: were two other black men that were shot and killed 527 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: by police on the same name and in the same 528 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: twenty four hours. And I was the guy named Adolf 529 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: Grimes in New Orleans. And for those of for those 530 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: listeners who remember the movie Frouit Bell station got by 531 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: the name of Oscar Grant, both shot and killed in 532 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: the same twenty four hours, and I was but that 533 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: I was shot. Going forward, you know, there there have 534 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: been many, many, many many because now we're going on 535 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: with almost twelve years, many days where I've just kind 536 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: of wanted to call under a rock and not be 537 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: bothered and just kind of being my own space. But 538 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: you know, you know, when this when this sort of 539 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: thing happens seemingly weakly, you know, I absolutely have a 540 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 1: responsibility to speak for those that can I speak for themselves, 541 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: and and that's that's my mission going forward. Um, that's 542 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: what I've been doing for twelve years. I've had to 543 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 1: scratch and claude just to be mentioned in the conversation, 544 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 1: but I've never stopped speaking out and speaking for those 545 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: who are no longer here. I'm I'm just so thankful 546 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: for my mother because you know, if she had left 547 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: it up to me, you know, there would be no 548 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: case law, there would be no total to be cotton, 549 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 1: there would be no you know, there there may not 550 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 1: have even been a you know, an appeal, you know 551 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 1: what I mean. It's uh, she she was just um 552 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 1: tenacious and and and she she was, you know, adamant 553 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,240 Speaker 1: about doing all she could. Um, so she's she's really 554 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: the m v P of this whole situation because you know, 555 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: she would ask me about it and I would say, 556 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 1: I don't care. You know I was I was up 557 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 1: and down and you know, depression and and and you 558 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: know I I had some really dark dark days. And um, 559 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,360 Speaker 1: she's the one that that took the ball and said, Okay, 560 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: I know you're not you're not feeling well right now, 561 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: but this this we gotta keep playing. So she's she's 562 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: really in the Superstar and I'm so grateful for her 563 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 1: and thankful for for her taking that ball. But yeah, 564 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: that that's that's my mission going forward. I mean I've 565 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 1: never stopped speaking. Uh you know, I've written a book 566 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 1: about it entitled No Justice, you know, in the countless documentaries. 567 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 1: Anytime I can speak to a to a broad audience, 568 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,839 Speaker 1: you know, on on, you know, a multitude of different platforms, 569 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: I'm I'm game. But again, you know, like I said before, 570 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 1: it's it's we've had to scratching claw. I've had to 571 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 1: scratching claw and fight and fight and cry. And just 572 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: to be mentioned in the conversation, you know, the narrative is, oh, 573 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: but he didn't die, he's he's okay, you know, and 574 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 1: I get I get looked over. And you know, while 575 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: those who are no longer here in those families, they 576 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,879 Speaker 1: need that support. But but so do we because we've 577 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 1: never stopped fighting. So going forward, that's that's um, that's 578 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: what I will continue to do. You just touched my 579 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 1: heart in such a way, and thank you Robbie for 580 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 1: eloquently expressing that and also just showing the love of 581 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: a black son for his mama. Mims Toling, tell me 582 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,840 Speaker 1: what is your position in this? Why have you We 583 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: know why you've kept the fight up for your son, 584 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 1: But you could easily just say you're you won your 585 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,399 Speaker 1: case and sit out and be done with it. Why 586 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 1: is it that you have continued on as a mother 587 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: of the movement? And what position do you see yourself 588 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:56,880 Speaker 1: plan as we move forward in this social justice fight. Well, 589 00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:01,320 Speaker 1: first of all, in that hospital that when the doctors 590 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,800 Speaker 1: told me he was gonna survive, I told God then 591 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 1: that I was gonna fight for others. And I mean 592 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 1: God a promise that I was gonna fight to help others. 593 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 1: I want to put it into this and you have 594 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:24,959 Speaker 1: to believe that you can win. You know, we can't 595 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: just go out here swinging for no reason. We have to. 596 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 1: We have to stand for something. And I was tired 597 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 1: of hearing somebody ought to do something about this. Well, 598 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: I will take that up, because I promise you I 599 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 1: was not afraid. It was like when I got this assignment, 600 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,719 Speaker 1: God just took the spirit of fear from me. I 601 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 1: was not afraid. I wasn't afraid for my life. I 602 00:37:54,520 --> 00:38:01,919 Speaker 1: wasn't afraid of losing. I wasn't afraid period. And I've 603 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:08,799 Speaker 1: met so many mothers, there's no way it's you know, 604 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,400 Speaker 1: it's hard to explain. It was like me being there 605 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:21,360 Speaker 1: present was a blessing and it was a curse because 606 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,719 Speaker 1: it was a blessing because no matter what happened, I 607 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 1: didn't have these questions that mothers have when they get 608 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,759 Speaker 1: a knock on the door. Because I witnessed it all. 609 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,399 Speaker 1: I knew that he didn't deserve that. You know how 610 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,400 Speaker 1: the system will try to, you know, make us believe 611 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 1: like they did something to deserve it. They want to 612 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: just like with George Floyd, they want to go into 613 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,840 Speaker 1: his background. Whatever he did in the past had nothing 614 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 1: to do with that nine minutes, ten minutes. It had 615 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 1: nothing to do with that. And and so it was 616 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 1: a earth because I relived it. I relived it so 617 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,440 Speaker 1: many times. I wake up and I would think I 618 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 1: heard a shot, and I would say, is this a dream? Lord, 619 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,319 Speaker 1: help me wake up? Is this a dream? But this 620 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 1: is real. So I have to fight for those parents 621 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,800 Speaker 1: who don't have a support system, because I have a 622 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,279 Speaker 1: I had a support system. I mean, I have a 623 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,279 Speaker 1: wonderful family who was with us at the hospital around 624 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 1: the clock for days and weeks. I have to I 625 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,239 Speaker 1: have to stand for those I've been blessed, and I 626 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 1: have to be a blessing to others. You know, I've 627 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 1: been blessed with him surviving, But I have to remember 628 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:52,200 Speaker 1: that bullet is still in his liver today, almost twelve 629 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:57,719 Speaker 1: years later. He can't go anywhere. He can't take a 630 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 1: vacation and go to the south of France, he can't 631 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 1: go to Dubaie, he can't go anywhere in the world 632 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,799 Speaker 1: and forget about what happened to him, because when he 633 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 1: takes his shirt off, his scars are there. And and 634 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 1: so I have to fight. I have to fight for 635 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 1: those other people I work with with U I would 636 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 1: come very close to Mike Brown's mother, and to me, 637 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: a rights is mother and I'm so proud of them. 638 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 1: I met Mike Brown's mind like three weeks after Mike 639 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:41,320 Speaker 1: was was killed, and she's grown up so much. And 640 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,120 Speaker 1: for years she wouldn't even talk. I would see her 641 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 1: at functions and I would hug her and and and 642 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 1: she she couldn't talk. But she's found her voice and 643 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,319 Speaker 1: um and I just encouraged her. She talked to her 644 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,239 Speaker 1: just last week. And and I proud of to me 645 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,480 Speaker 1: Rize his mother, because what I can tell you is 646 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,280 Speaker 1: that fighting to help somebody else helps ease your pain. 647 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 1: It does. When you focus on helping somebody pushes somebody 648 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:21,240 Speaker 1: else up, it helps you, It blesses you. That's so powerful. 649 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,520 Speaker 1: And that's why I did not want to interrupt uh 650 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,759 Speaker 1: either of you with your story. I want to thank 651 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,920 Speaker 1: my listeners for giving me their full undivided time. I 652 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,400 Speaker 1: want to thank you guys for both joining with me. 653 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,719 Speaker 1: I do want to go deeper into the conversation to 654 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,560 Speaker 1: pick apart some things that I think deserve a show 655 00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,840 Speaker 1: just on that alone, on how the impact is the 656 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:50,600 Speaker 1: mental anguish, the mental support that has needed, the emotional support, 657 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:57,960 Speaker 1: the possible suicidal tendencies that victims have to endure, the career, 658 00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,960 Speaker 1: the loss of money, the putting up house. Where we 659 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,920 Speaker 1: are now with black people still having a huge income gap, 660 00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 1: a wealth gap, and and what families, as you mentioned, 661 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,480 Speaker 1: how are they able to move forward with legal justice. 662 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,279 Speaker 1: Those are conversations I want to have deeper at a 663 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,560 Speaker 1: at another time. But I'm grateful for the time that 664 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 1: you've given me to walk my straight shooters through this. 665 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,319 Speaker 1: And I want to close with this. I listened to 666 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,360 Speaker 1: a couple of things that you said, and there are 667 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,279 Speaker 1: a couple of things that point out at how I 668 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,799 Speaker 1: want to wrap this up. Robbie talked about his mother 669 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:39,919 Speaker 1: being there for him. You also heard Ms. Toling talk 670 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 1: about how she was no longer afraid. You also heard 671 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,560 Speaker 1: Robbie talk about how I am alive because of the 672 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:55,480 Speaker 1: prayers of a black woman. And so I want to 673 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:59,520 Speaker 1: wrap this up with this. If you go to my SoundCloud, 674 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,800 Speaker 1: you will hear hear me recite psalms because it's always 675 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:10,319 Speaker 1: been something that I have lived by, that I lean on. 676 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,560 Speaker 1: That is necessary because in the social justice space. In fact, 677 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,399 Speaker 1: I posted a mean here recently where I said that 678 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,920 Speaker 1: fighting for people that you don't know are that you 679 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,760 Speaker 1: do know are because of your personal circumstance is very lonely. 680 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,160 Speaker 1: This social justice movement is more lonely than what people think. 681 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,880 Speaker 1: But my meme said that it is very lonely. It 682 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,799 Speaker 1: has very little rewards. But the one thing that I 683 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:43,359 Speaker 1: can count on is I have no regrets. Few rewards, 684 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,880 Speaker 1: but no regrets. And so as listening to this interview, 685 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:52,959 Speaker 1: what it reminds me of is Psalms Tree, which says, yeah, 686 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,440 Speaker 1: though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, 687 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,360 Speaker 1: I will fear no evil, for thou art with me, 688 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,640 Speaker 1: thy rod and thy staff shall comfort me. Understand what 689 00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,879 Speaker 1: that means when Robbie said, I knew that my mother 690 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,280 Speaker 1: was with me. She was the rod, she was the staff, 691 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:12,560 Speaker 1: she was with him, She was what they say that 692 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,040 Speaker 1: the Holy Spirit will send a comforter. This is such 693 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,279 Speaker 1: a blessed family to be able to have his mother 694 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:24,600 Speaker 1: there praying for him, guiding him, fighting for him, praying 695 00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,640 Speaker 1: on his behalf. There's an old song that they used 696 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,560 Speaker 1: to sing in the church that said, thank you Mama 697 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,040 Speaker 1: for praying for me. And so I want to thank you, 698 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:36,440 Speaker 1: Miss Tolan, not just because of what you've been to 699 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:40,960 Speaker 1: your son, but the representation of what you are to 700 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,759 Speaker 1: so many of us. My mother is no longer here. 701 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,480 Speaker 1: May she rest in peace. When I broke my ankle, 702 00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:51,080 Speaker 1: it was you that said, Tesla, let me help you, 703 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,920 Speaker 1: let me get you to the doctor. You don't have 704 00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,040 Speaker 1: to walk this journey by yourself. And so that touches 705 00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,960 Speaker 1: me in a way, because it's not the physical journey 706 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:10,040 Speaker 1: that I'm walking, but the spiritual journey to know that 707 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:14,719 Speaker 1: you are not by yourself in this fight. When you 708 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:21,000 Speaker 1: and I went to Dallas to fight together for the 709 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,560 Speaker 1: gene case, and you pick me up in the middle 710 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:29,200 Speaker 1: of the night and you said, Tesla, you turned around 711 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:30,880 Speaker 1: and you looked at me. You said, they're gonna know 712 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,480 Speaker 1: who they're playing with today, and you drove and and 713 00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,719 Speaker 1: it's very few people who are shorter than me. For 714 00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,880 Speaker 1: those who are listening, I'm really short, and it's Tolding. 715 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,640 Speaker 1: It's my height and probably a little bit shorter, which 716 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,839 Speaker 1: is five one, but that's not the point. We're very 717 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:49,359 Speaker 1: short women. And here Miss Tolding and I standing five 718 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,279 Speaker 1: ft from the ground, just the shortest can be. Our 719 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,080 Speaker 1: feet probably can't even touch the ground, and we sit 720 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,440 Speaker 1: at the seat and we think we're the tallest women 721 00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:00,200 Speaker 1: on earth jumping in her car. Literally gotta hop into 722 00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,239 Speaker 1: the car because she drives a big SUV and it 723 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,839 Speaker 1: takes an extra step because we're so short to get 724 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,879 Speaker 1: into the car. And when she turned and looked at 725 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,680 Speaker 1: me and said, they're gonna know who they're dealing with today. 726 00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:17,399 Speaker 1: This woman is amazing in her fight in pursuit, not 727 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,279 Speaker 1: just for her son, but others, and even for me, 728 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:26,720 Speaker 1: knowing that I'm not always alone on this very lonely 729 00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,759 Speaker 1: journey as a single mom. There's not always someone that 730 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,960 Speaker 1: can I can cry on, a shoulder to cry on 731 00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:38,880 Speaker 1: at night, are a mother to call upon, and miss Tooling, 732 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:43,600 Speaker 1: you have been that for me through this process, and 733 00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,000 Speaker 1: I bless you and I thank you for it, and 734 00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:48,920 Speaker 1: I want to thank you for the prayers that you 735 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,440 Speaker 1: represent for my mother, who I know is in heaven 736 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,800 Speaker 1: and wants me to be safe. You represent the prayers 737 00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:03,759 Speaker 1: of George's mother who he called out to, who welcomed 738 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:08,319 Speaker 1: him I believe into the bosom of the Lord. You 739 00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,680 Speaker 1: represent the mothers of the movement. Those who like you 740 00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,840 Speaker 1: said well, Mike Brown's mother took a little while for 741 00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,000 Speaker 1: her to get her voice. But in the meantime, the 742 00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:22,520 Speaker 1: Lord sent a confider to speak. In the meantime, the 743 00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,400 Speaker 1: Lord sent Aren. You know Moses is It's important that 744 00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:29,279 Speaker 1: Moses is there. But Aren was the communicator that said, 745 00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,640 Speaker 1: if you cannot speak, I will speak for you. And 746 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,479 Speaker 1: you have been that. You have been that for your son, 747 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,560 Speaker 1: You have been that for my grounds mother, you have 748 00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,120 Speaker 1: been that for me. You have been that for the 749 00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,680 Speaker 1: mothers that are no longer here to tell their story, 750 00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,200 Speaker 1: that are not here to tell the stories of their 751 00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:50,120 Speaker 1: sons and and and daughters that have suffered through police brutality. 752 00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:55,319 Speaker 1: Marrying you are it. You are that mother, and I 753 00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,040 Speaker 1: want to thank you and bless you, and thank you 754 00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,839 Speaker 1: so much again to both of you joining me on 755 00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,719 Speaker 1: this podcast. It was so necessary because I wanted your 756 00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,760 Speaker 1: story to touch the world. For those who are listening, 757 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,640 Speaker 1: please continue to stay tuned in. I hope you found 758 00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:16,680 Speaker 1: this conversation as powerful as I did. Stay in contact 759 00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,000 Speaker 1: with Robbie Tolan. Go to his Instagram, go to his Twitter, 760 00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,440 Speaker 1: go to all of his social spaces. Support this brother, 761 00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:28,680 Speaker 1: support his book, Support the movement. It is needed. He's 762 00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,400 Speaker 1: thrown you the ball as the picture. My only final 763 00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:36,480 Speaker 1: question is will you catch it? You've been listening to 764 00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:40,000 Speaker 1: straight Shot No Chasing with Tesla and Figuo until next time. 765 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,920 Speaker 1: If you like what you heard on Straight Shot No Chaser, 766 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,480 Speaker 1: please subscribe and drop a five star review and tell 767 00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,880 Speaker 1: a friend. 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