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Speaker 1: Make sure y'all get that. Now, let's get to this

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Speaker 1: week's episode. This is Mandy Be. Welcome to Selective Ignorance,

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Speaker 1: a production of The Black Effect Podcast Network and Iartradio.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Selective Ignorance, the show where

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Speaker 1: nuance still matters, the great area gets center stage, and

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Speaker 1: we're not afraid to ask the questions that piss off

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Speaker 1: both sides. I'm your host, Mandy Be and New York

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Speaker 1: Times bestseller, and we're talking today about new media, the good,

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Speaker 1: the bad, and the brain numbing So here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: We live in a time where everyone has a microphone, yep,

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Speaker 1: even me, but somehow fewer people seem to be saying

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Speaker 1: anything worth listening to. Opinions are everywhere outrageous, constant facts occasional,

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Speaker 1: but the signal to noise ratio yep, it's getting harder

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Speaker 1: to hear the truth over the hot takes. And here's

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Speaker 1: a twist. People love to shout about the First Amendment

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Speaker 1: free speech. They out when it's something they agree with,

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Speaker 1: But let someone say something uncomfortable or inconvenient, or god forbid,

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Speaker 1: actually thought provoking and subtly, the same folks are calling

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Speaker 1: for bands blocks, boycotts, and removing microphones from podcasters. So

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Speaker 1: is it freedom or is it just freedom for your side? Now,

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Speaker 1: with the rise of new media YouTube, TikTok, podcasts, streaming,

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Speaker 1: Are we democketizing information or just diluting it? Sometimes I

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Speaker 1: wonder is all this constant content making us more informed

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Speaker 1: And here's my personal tug of war. Part of me

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Speaker 1: loves the chaos of new media. Y'all know that because

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Speaker 1: I am chaos. The creativity, the access, the diversity of voices.

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Speaker 1: But another part of me misses the standards, the accountability,

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Speaker 1: the actual editing of traditional journalism. I'm stuck between CNN

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Speaker 1: and honestly, I don't know which one's telling me the truth,

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Speaker 1: nor sometimes do I care. So today we're diving deep.

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Speaker 1: Is new media better or worse than the old guard?

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Speaker 1: Is entertainment taking priority over real information? And maybe the

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Speaker 1: biggest question, are we getting smarter or are we selectively

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Speaker 1: choosing to stay ignorant. Welcome, y'all. I am joined today

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Speaker 1: always with my super producers A King and Jadson, And

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Speaker 1: then I'm also joined by someone You guys were recently

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Speaker 1: introduced to my good, long standing friend Job. I'm really

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Speaker 1: excited to talk to these fellas because they have all

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Speaker 1: been a part of the media landscape for probably Jason,

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Speaker 1: you old hasn't been like thirty years, twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Man, the sound design is gonna be crazy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how long have you have you been been

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Speaker 2: Over twenty years? Since two thousand and one.

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Speaker 1: Damn since I was in pairpers old as I thought,

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Speaker 1: I met your babysitting John, what about you?

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Speaker 3: I started this in two thousand and ten. Yep, that's yes, ten.

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Speaker 1: We were in the same thing. Lay damn. Have I

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Speaker 1: had fifteen years of this shit?

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Speaker 1: Oh shit, I'm old too.

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Speaker 2: Put some put some creaky sounds there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, don't don't. It's funny because I've been potting for

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Speaker 1: eight years and that seems like a century. But I

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Speaker 1: you was full core pumps and did the owner of

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then a king You were you in this space?

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Speaker 1: I know you were music, but were you in this

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Speaker 1: And what past?

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Speaker 5: So the journey, The journey starts after college, just trying

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Speaker 5: Craigslist ad led me to internet radio stations.

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Speaker 5: I was going to say that I definitely thought it

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Speaker 5: what we would do we would do live. We would

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Speaker 1: So y'all created podcasts.

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Speaker 3: So that's what I'm saying, So you are the creator.

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Speaker 5: So it was a dude, actually, this kid named I

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Speaker 5: He used to always say, Yo, you guys are doing

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Speaker 5: this podcasting, you should put this on iTunes? Like what

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Speaker 5: the fuck are you talking about? And then that's the

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Speaker 5: part of the genesis. But yeah, but that was adjacent

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Speaker 5: we're entering the era where we get the blog era rappers.

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Speaker 4: Around the same time that we met, I was coming

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Speaker 6: He was like, oh, well, we're doing this show at

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Speaker 6: think Boston was there. I think, uh uh, what is

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Speaker 6: Butcher this man's name I want to call him?

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Speaker 6: Heem not right, no, no, no, Ramen Romen okay, Roman

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Speaker 5: The whole goal was how do we get to see

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Speaker 1: Was the part of me moving here though like New

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Speaker 3: It was like you was the media period.

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Speaker 5: And then once things was started to shift a little bit,

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Speaker 5: the Internet's like, yo, we gotta what's this ship about?

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Speaker 5: Everybody's writing and then it's just a line.

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Speaker 1: Now such a that was such a great nickname for

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Speaker 5: Internet's well that was that was That's that's Dallas that

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Speaker 5: That was his way of saying, Yo, you gotta the

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Speaker 5: you put the s on it. That's why I hate

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Speaker 5: when people say internets. That's corny, like you can't even

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Speaker 6: That that that's that's the photo that we took that well,

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Speaker 6: I think you might have took the photo Jason.

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Speaker 1: Hold on Jason's scarf game. Y'all have to see this.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, let's not get it twisted. Jason and John.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think for why I chose

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Speaker 1: I announced that I'm now on black Effect. I'm also

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Speaker 3: That goes in italics, but also.

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Speaker 1: Our super producer A King just joined the Recording Academy.

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Speaker 1: So what what okay? And and in your law caption

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Speaker 1: So then can I ask you your thoughts on them

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Speaker 1: recently announcing hold on, hold on now, can't you yourself?

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Speaker 1: I would just like to know.

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Speaker 1: If you are now part of the Academy. I would

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Speaker 1: love to know your thoughts on them. Once Beyonce you

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Speaker 2: Apparent is your largest asset you're gonna.

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Speaker 6: So it's just who are you being uh sexually harassed

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Speaker 6: Pretty people get attention. And that's not saying that other

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Speaker 3: Yeah, visual media, I mean visual.

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Speaker 5: People would like they just kind of discredited her, like

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Speaker 5: you know, like okay, she And I'm not saying this

440
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 5: is my view on I'm just saying what I've seen

441
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Speaker 5: is they invalidate her journey to get whatever she got there,

442
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Speaker 5: however she got there because of the US.

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Speaker 1: I will just say I am so glad that she

444
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Speaker 1: has her own platform right now.

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Speaker 3: Part of it right that's.

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Speaker 5: Like gonna be as And I think that's a part

447
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 5: of why they're doing those why they're downsizing, because podcasting

448
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 5: in that realm is definitely affecting.

449
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Speaker 1: Now, you know what's crazy even me. We talk about

450
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Speaker 1: like the love and hate of free speech and ability

451
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Speaker 1: to own IP and all these things. So on one

452
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Speaker 1: point of the coin, On one side of the coin,

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Speaker 1: I love that Joey Taylor has too personal and she's

454
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Speaker 1: able to monetize and create her own platform and continue

455
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Speaker 1: making money on the other side of a coin. I'm

456
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Speaker 1: upset that Shannon Sharp has his own platform, that he

457
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Speaker 1: can continue to make millions after everything that happened with him.

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Speaker 1: So clearly we saw ESPN, but they're signed, they're a

459
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Speaker 1: part of Disney. They let him go. They pretty much

460
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Speaker 1: said you could walk away. We're gonna fire you, nigga,

461
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Speaker 1: he said, I walked away. We know he didn't, but

462
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Speaker 1: a part of me is annoyed that he's still got

463
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Speaker 1: Club Shay Shay. He still has night Cap and he's

464
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Speaker 1: still I know, but I think it's it's it was,

465
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Speaker 1: It's what my point was about Diddy. I feel like

466
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Speaker 1: he's not gonna have to come out and wait for

467
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Speaker 1: a company to give him a check because we're in

468
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Speaker 1: a place where you can create your own viewership, your

469
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Speaker 1: own audience, your own bags essentially through you know what

470
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Speaker 1: I mean.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean you can't.

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Speaker 6: You can't really have one without the other, right, It's

473
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Speaker 6: either either, you know, one of us is free or

474
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Speaker 6: nobody's free.

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Speaker 3: So it's like, yeah.

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Speaker 6: You know, if you lose your platform on a corporate level,

477
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Speaker 6: you know that's gonna happen that can and for Joy

478
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Speaker 6: Taylor situation, Like, honestly, I don't think there's any reason

479
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Speaker 6: that both things can't kind of be true.

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Speaker 3: I don't know FS one's ratings.

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Speaker 6: I mean, those debate shows aren't like bringing in the

482
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Speaker 6: same ratings as like the view, Like like, yeah, first

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Speaker 6: take is clearly number one, and you're talking about what

484
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Speaker 6: seven hundred thousand people, eight hundred thousand if you like

485
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Speaker 6: that kind of thing, So we're not talking about a

486
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Speaker 6: one point one to one point two. If you're performing

487
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Speaker 6: and you have a scandal, depending on what the scandal is,

488
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Speaker 6: sometimes you can stick with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll be, you'll be, you'll be. Yeah, numbers will

490
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Speaker 2: make your scandal.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, give you a little bit of armor. But like

492
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Speaker 6: they to me, they rolled with Joy. This this news

493
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Speaker 6: broke what six months ago?

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Speaker 1: Three months ago, Yeah, maybe maybe earlier.

495
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Speaker 3: So it wasn't like Shannon Sharp had to go home

496
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Speaker 3: immediately immediately, he didn't kicked it, came back.

497
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Speaker 6: To the park, right, nothing, Everything was cool that everybody

498
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Speaker 6: said nothing. It was what it was, and you know,

499
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Speaker 6: now we're here.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to then if that's why she leaned heavily

501
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Speaker 1: into sure she knew they wasn't it was.

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Speaker 5: Read that up and you gotta assume they kind of

503
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Speaker 5: they read the tea leaves before this thing, before it

504
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Speaker 5: gets to us. She probably knew this was the eventual

505
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Speaker 5: thing that's gonna happen three four months ago.

506
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Speaker 1: Well, yes, I mean same same with Shannon Sharp. He

507
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Speaker 1: offered to pay her the ten like a million, ten million,

508
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Speaker 1: six million something to settle outside. And I ain't gonna

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Speaker 1: hold you pay me ten million. I might take you

510
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Speaker 1: got you got.

511
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Speaker 3: Like Mandy.

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Speaker 2: So let me ask you what the Shannon Sharp of

513
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Speaker 2: it all? Because that because Shannon Sharp is probably he's

514
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Speaker 2: the breakout like media star or media story of the

515
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Speaker 2: past like a year, right, you.

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Speaker 1: Know what's interesting he is? But I do wonder too

517
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Speaker 1: if he is that same breakout star. And it's it's

518
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Speaker 1: funny because we're kind of guests based over here, but

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Speaker 1: I wonder if he is that. Without Cat Williams, that

520
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: interview was by far one of the best ones, and

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Speaker 1: even recently seeing the seven pm in Brooklyn numbers with

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Speaker 1: Kat Williams, like, it's just interesting to me because and

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Speaker 1: then so go.

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Speaker 2: Ahead, so I want to ask you so I feel

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Speaker 2: you on that with it being guest based and it

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Speaker 2: kind of has like the yo yo ing element of it.

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Speaker 2: But but he's also not just club because here's nightcat right, right.

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Speaker 2: And so if we're talking about like, you know, audience

529
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Speaker 2: makes you scandal proof, right, And so he's been able

530
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Speaker 2: to get audience right where whether it's being like super

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Speaker 2: Unk at nighttime or doing these interviews during the daytime,

532
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Speaker 2: and he's become like the breakout story. Do you know,

533
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Speaker 2: I don't know if people feel comfortable calling him media.

534
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 2: Is he something else? Do people call him a YouTuber?

535
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Speaker 2: Like you know that that's some of the elements that

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Speaker 2: I guess we'll get into me like he's one, yeah,

537
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 2: but he's but he but he's like he's the bell Weather.

538
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 2: Is that not what people want? Is that not the

539
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Speaker 2: idea of what Joey Taylor hopes to spin it off to.

540
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Speaker 2: Is that not the idea of what we want like

541
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Speaker 2: selective ignorance to be where it's this independent thing, you know,

542
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Speaker 2: corporate entities partner with us, but we're free and whether

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00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 2: it's scandal or controversy or whatever, like we're still alive.

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Speaker 1: Here's here's my dilemma. And we can lean into almost

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Speaker 1: every not y'all in this room. But almost every mail

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Speaker 1: that is on a podcast Mike has had allegations against

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Speaker 1: them for one thing or another. I'm not gonna say

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Speaker 1: all I didn't say that, but there are a lot.

549
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Speaker 1: And so even if we talk about the Cuomo of it, all, right,

550
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Speaker 1: let's take it to politics, and well, both of them

551
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Speaker 1: has some shit right. To me, what's disheartening though, is

552
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Speaker 1: the audience is what's allowing these people to continue making money,

553
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: but in terms of accountability is the people they are.

554
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Speaker 1: It sucks that they're still able to be platformed. So

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Speaker 1: for me, it removes the idea that you can do

556
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Speaker 1: something bad and actually have to be there's consequences for it.

557
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: To me, Shannon Sharp leaving ESPN and still being able

558
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Speaker 1: to make his millions on his platform, to me, it

559
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Speaker 1: absolves consequence from everyone else who's seeing these rapists. And

560
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Speaker 1: I could do all the bleep bleep bleep words of

561
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Speaker 1: what people have been alleged or what they're being accused of,

562
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Speaker 1: or what they're being sued for. No one is being

563
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Speaker 1: held accountable for their actions off of these mics, And

564
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Speaker 1: because the listeners and consumers kind of ain't holding them

565
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Speaker 1: act either, they're still able to come out and make

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Speaker 1: all the money in the world.

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Speaker 6: Well, societal justice would never trump criminal justice, right, or.

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Speaker 3: If we even have criminal justice, that's it. I mean

569
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Speaker 3: that's suspect too, right.

570
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Speaker 6: But if that suspect, then asking the people to be

571
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Speaker 6: held to a standard that that's not that's never going

572
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Speaker 6: to happen. I just don't believe that will ever be

573
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Speaker 6: a thing. Somebody somewhere will still like this person. Plenty

574
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Speaker 6: of people like r Kelly, plenty of people like Tory Lanez,

575
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Speaker 6: plenty of people like like society.

576
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Speaker 2: And then the scope of media, though, isn't that the

577
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Speaker 2: most honest transaction we like a king. A king talked

578
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 2: about gatekeepers, right, so before people would get fired from

579
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Speaker 2: a company that was a gatekeeper, whereas now the audience

580
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Speaker 2: is still following them. So not even like a morality

581
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Speaker 2: player of at all, or like patriarchy, Mandy, Like just

582
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Speaker 2: in terms of like a media relationship, if your audience

583
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Speaker 2: follows you or not, it's really the most honest transaction.

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Speaker 1: People, Alex Jones, It's funny because you brought up them

585
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Speaker 1: of it, And that's where I want to kind of

586
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Speaker 1: lean into the outrage of the audience and what happens

587
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Speaker 1: in these comments and stuff, and I want to take

588
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Speaker 1: it to you job because when I first started blogging

589
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Speaker 1: right full court pumps. At first, I wanted to highlight

590
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Speaker 1: the dope things that I knew the athletes I knew

591
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Speaker 1: were doing off the court, so leaning into their their

592
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Speaker 1: nonprofit organizations, their or their AAU leagues in the summer

593
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Speaker 1: and highlighting those things. And it started that way and

594
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Speaker 1: I realized, well, okay, views are getting slow, and okay,

595
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Speaker 1: no one really cares, and then I'll never forget it.

596
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Speaker 1: My first big ass payout from AdSense. Ad Sense is

597
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Speaker 1: where you used to get paid out for the blogger,

598
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Speaker 1: and mind you don't get paid out unless you hit

599
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Speaker 1: one hundred dollars, so sometimes I would go a couple

600
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Speaker 1: months not seeing no money. But my biggest payout happened.

601
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Speaker 1: I was uh, there was two of them. The first

602
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Speaker 1: one was I was at a I was at I

603
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Speaker 1: was at a fight. It was a boxing, boxing fight,

604
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Speaker 1: I want to say, one of the Spanish boxers and Mayweather. Anyways,

605
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Speaker 1: I think he had like a side check or something

606
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Speaker 1: there and I ended up having the tea about it.

607
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Speaker 1: Found the girl's picture on the Instagram. This is who's

608
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Speaker 1: who boom blew up. The second one was, oh, I

609
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Speaker 1: got the first ring of Dirk Novinsky's black wife at

610
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Speaker 1: the sb Awards, So I was I went to the

611
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Speaker 1: SPS shout out to Robert Littel from Black Sports Online.

612
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Speaker 1: So I went to the sp Awards. I see Dirk.

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Speaker 1: This is right after they just won the championship, and

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Speaker 1: he's with his black girlfriend and she has a ring.

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Speaker 1: So I'm on the carpet and I'm snapping pictures at her,

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Speaker 1: and immediately it's picked up that she has the ring

617
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Speaker 1: on her finger. All the things that blew up. The

618
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Speaker 1: other one Deshaun Jackson spending all his money in the

619
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Speaker 1: club during the NBA lockout NFL lockout. So those are

620
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Speaker 1: my three things. But what I realized is, oh shit,

621
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Speaker 1: the people love the mess. They love the mess. They

622
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Speaker 1: want to know who's sleeping with who, who's cheating on who,

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Speaker 1: who doesne betrayed, what, who's doing something that they're not

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Speaker 1: supposed to do. And so when we go back to

625
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Speaker 1: the morality of everything, when we go back to the

626
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Speaker 1: outrage of what I see in the comments and people

627
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Speaker 1: just disagreeing, y'all love the mess. And so it goes

628
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Speaker 1: back to jah you, which I'm gonna coin you as

629
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Speaker 1: the creator of headlines. Oh yeah, that stir up, but

630
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Speaker 1: that sound a mess in terms of like leading into

631
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Speaker 1: the messiness of whatever is, so like where maybe tabloids

632
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Speaker 1: would lean into it, like with just here's the solid facts.

633
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Speaker 1: You would bring the headlines to us in a way

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Speaker 1: that we would want to discuss it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Well, the thing about it was is that during that

637
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Speaker 6: blog era of time, it was so many blogs and

638
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Speaker 6: like people are kind of talking about everybody's talking about

639
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Speaker 6: the same thing.

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Speaker 1: You had to wake up at like five thirty in

641
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Speaker 1: the morning and be ready.

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Speaker 6: She was going to be the first one on it

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Speaker 6: and had that kind of thing. So it was like

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Speaker 6: it turned into when I started working at bost, I

645
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Speaker 6: was writing there. But also there was no social media manager,

646
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Speaker 6: Like our Twitter was just an auto send of we

647
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Speaker 6: published a story on WordPress, it goes to Twitter, super generic,

648
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Speaker 6: like there was no there was no there was no

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Speaker 6: personality in it at all.

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Speaker 2: All.

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Speaker 6: The personality was on the site and in certain headlines

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Speaker 6: that are see all the time. Mar Frasier she had

653
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Speaker 6: kind of put together these things of bossabisms basically of

654
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Speaker 6: like she would take songs like it'll be hosted down

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Speaker 6: Kim Kardashian, blah blah blah blah blah, she did something

656
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Speaker 6: or I forget some of the other ones. We don't

657
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Speaker 6: even know, we don't even use them no more. But

658
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Speaker 6: she had these things that she just wanted to put

659
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Speaker 6: as the headlines, but the social media was not there.

660
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 6: So I just kind of started writing headlines and putting

661
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Speaker 6: them on Twitter myself. So I would have we published

662
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Speaker 6: a story. Then I beat the delete the auto popular,

663
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Speaker 6: the auto population and just redo it and just say

664
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Speaker 6: whatever the thing was. And three or four of us

665
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 6: on the team, we just all started doing it because

666
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Speaker 6: the headline started going crazy on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the thing though too, that stemmed us

668
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: being a headline as like I guess community sumership, like

669
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: even right now, what are the most popular things on Twitter?

670
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,879
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's literally a headline over a graphic, and it's

671
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: funny because they'll say, as long as it's in that font,

672
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: niggas will think it's real, And that's kind of what

673
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: it is, you know what I mean. Like it'll say

674
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: thirty six percent of this they just made up this

675
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: goddamn number. But if it's in a certain font and

676
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: it's on a certain it looks legit, and I think

677
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 1: though we lean into legitimacy coming from headlines, and that's

678
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Speaker 1: not the case.

679
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Speaker 6: Yeah, like with our headlines, I think with it was

680
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 6: always to you can't add facts to the headlines, but

681
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 6: you can make the words you use sound bigger and

682
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 6: more inflammatory, or you know, to pull some reaction or

683
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 6: emotion out of somebody. So it might be this is

684
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 6: the actual story, but everyone's gonna write a regular headline,

685
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 6: this is what happened, this person's involved.

686
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: Not to jump around, Yes and no. There was just

687
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: a recent headline from a black boy Max. Look at me,

688
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 1: y'all know, I'd be on the guy, damn white boy

689
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: Max as a streamer and he was talking about something

690
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: he did and he apologized for it. They took a

691
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Speaker 1: snippet of what he said, because again wasn't listening to

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Speaker 1: the whole conversation. They took a snippet of what he said,

693
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: and they were they pretty much made the headline that

694
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Speaker 1: he was coming out about being gay or doing some

695
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: gay shit in the past.

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00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 3: Oh literally, not gonna do with.

697
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 1: Anything, which is why for me, even the outrage on

698
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: social clips from podcasts, is like they could go and

699
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: listen to the whole goddamn topic because people will put

700
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Speaker 1: in the cop in the comments something that actually was

701
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: iterated maybe ten seconds after the clip was cut off, right,

702
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: And so to me, headlines now could literally be anything

703
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: that people want. And it's how we're digesting this news

704
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: that is bullshit.

705
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 2: I Thoughtso it's funny, did you say digesting? I think

706
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 2: people cook it up wrong too, because because it's aggregation,

707
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And so it's like some

708
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: people willingly are fishing for something that they think is

709
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 2: like it's close enough to like what they want to

710
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 2: post because they're thinking about the reaction, right, like I

711
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 2: want this reaction and so like I'm going to pull

712
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 2: it out just this way, and you know, like there's

713
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 2: an art to it, like we all know, like there's

714
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 2: an art to like aggregate and something that's interesting that

715
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 2: has like I don't want to say integrity because that's

716
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 2: like way that's loaded of a word. But like you know,

717
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 2: now I feel like it's a bit more wild West.

718
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 2: And I think it's a wild West because like to

719
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 2: Job's point, like there was so many blogs. Now it's

720
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 2: there's everybody has a social media account, there's you could

721
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 2: you could tell the hierarchy of the big accounts the

722
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 2: smaller ones, like you know, sometimes there's like the really

723
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 2: tiny micro influenzer ones and influence the big ones, and

724
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: they're just like they're just like chipping away at the

725
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: bone to get any Like I'll make this a story.

726
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 6: You're fighting for attention and there's a traffic jam and

727
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 6: you're trying to and you're trying to find your way

728
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 6: to cut through, and the only differential between you and

729
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 6: the other site will be how do you grab if

730
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Speaker 6: I only have if most people are only paying attention

731
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Speaker 6: for eight seconds, and all of the bigger shade rooms

732
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Speaker 6: and everybody else has six of those seconds because people

733
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Speaker 6: know that name, they see that name, they stop, then

734
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 6: I've got one second, two seconds to grab your attention

735
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Speaker 6: right now. With the first couple of words, truth or

736
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 6: not for those for those people. For me, I never

737
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 6: got down with that because I wanted to make my

738
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 6: shit funny or to make it, like I said, more

739
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 6: inflammatory as far as how you're going to react to it,

740
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 6: but change it for me anyway. I could never go

741
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 6: in there and just make some shit up because that's

742
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 6: not really going to serve that won't get the reaction

743
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 6: I need out of it if it's fake. For me,

744
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 6: it'll only work if it's the real thing. But I

745
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 6: found a creative way to say that thing or present

746
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Speaker 6: it to you.

747
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: See now y'all said a few words, virality, there's information.

748
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: How we digest it? I want to ask all of

749
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: y'all's opinions. During the Diddy trial, I thought that armand

750
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: Wiggins was doing an incredible job with keeping everybody abreast

751
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: of what was happening inside the courtroom during the trial. Right,

752
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: he is also the gentleman who went viral for doubting

753
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: himself in baby oil following your face, following the actual verdict.

754
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 2: And so this is a great example to talk about.

755
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so we have this person who's actually putting

756
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 1: out what I thought, Like my homegirl who's a lawyer,

757
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: was watching him every day because she lives in LA

758
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: couldn't attend the trial, and thought that he was just

759
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: giving a really good breakdown of information. And to me,

760
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 1: when I found out that he was the one outside

761
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: doubling himself, and I was like, were you not getting

762
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: the attention? Was this an attention seeking thing this now

763
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: brings in the bias of it all, like it was

764
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: just really poorly done. He did end up apologizing, but

765
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Speaker 1: not really for what he did. Do we have that clip?

766
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Speaker 3: I want to know your thoughts.

767
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: We could always cut it. I want to know your

768
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: thoughts on and you're shaking your head to taking.

769
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Speaker 2: But but but but before you go, there's hold on.

770
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 2: Let me let me get this clip going first, and

771
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 2: then I want to after the clip, I want to

772
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,919
Speaker 2: add some context to what Mandy was saying. Okay, because

773
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 2: I do think it's a good example for reasons good

774
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 2: And he said I got.

775
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 3: Something to say about it.

776
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you do, because we got something to say

777
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:48,760
Speaker 1: about everything.

778
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 3: Wrote a song about it like here here.

779
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: Going for his charges sex trafficking and racketeering, he was

780
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: found guilty of two counts of engaging and trans and

781
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: transportation for prostitution. You were outside with oil on you

782
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: now talk to me about.

783
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 2: This, Angela.

784
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 7: You know, I'll try to say it with a straight

785
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 7: face because we got to be serious of here. But dude,

786
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 7: but I tell you, I wish I would have never

787
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,720
Speaker 7: done that, you know what I mean, because it got

788
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 7: so long out of.

789
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Speaker 3: Proportion to be easy with you.

790
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: I was not.

791
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 8: Anybody that knows me knows I was not a baby

792
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 8: supporter in that way.

793
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 3: I wish for the facts, okay, But to make.

794
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 8: A long story short, I had always been doing kind

795
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 8: of comedy with my reporting of the case. Yeah, more oil,

796
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 8: more oil. I even have a more oil fund on

797
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 8: my platform. They would send me money for more oil,

798
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 8: which means it would keep me here covering the case.

799
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 8: And so in that moment, I was just thinking, you

800
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 8: know what, today is the last day. Let's do some

801
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 8: more oil live with the people here just on my

802
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 8: on YouTube.

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00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: And you've been working out, yeah, you know.

804
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 3: So I was like, let's just do We're having a

805
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 3: good time. We're on Verdict, watch Nigga please yeah, like st.

806
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 2: Yes, but hold on, John, it's it's it's it's it's

807
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 2: it's nuts, right. But this is my thing with it

808
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 2: all one is that he so he's not a traditional journalist.

809
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 2: He's a YouTuber. He's a YouTuber and he's a streamer.

810
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 2: And for this case, and and I just about thot

811
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 2: it was interesting and smart for Mandy to pick this

812
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 2: one because this case really reflects how media has changed.

813
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 2: So you have like NBC News. There, you have TikTokers. There,

814
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 2: there was this chick Tisa something who was covering it

815
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 2: really well on tipto. Tisa tells us there, ye ha,

816
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 2: Lauren la was radio and then you had armand right.

817
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 2: And so he's a he's a streamer and streamer. We

818
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 2: talked about it earlier. It's about developing your audience and

819
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 2: community based, right. So he's having this conversation with his

820
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 2: audience and it has humor and bad humor or not.

821
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 2: With the movie we did with the with the oil,

822
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 2: there's different standards for what he's doing versus like with

823
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 2: NBC News is doing at the end. At the end

824
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 2: of NBC News is coverage. They're not going to celebrate

825
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 2: by pouring baboy on them because they're also not having

826
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 2: a two way conversation, right, like they're just writing news

827
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 2: and distributing it. Where what he's doing is something a

828
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 2: little bit different. And again I'm not saying that it's

829
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,959
Speaker 2: right or wrong, but it's something that's wholly different than

830
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 2: what Lauren l Rosso was doing, what Tisa tells was doing,

831
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Speaker 2: and what NBC News was doing. And so and that's

832
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 2: what I think that's why you got sort of that

833
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,720
Speaker 2: apology non apology from him.

834
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Speaker 3: I mean it's one of those things. Well, first off,

835
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 3: like the idea that it.

836
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: Was and it still deserves to please and everything.

837
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Speaker 6: Un it's blown out of proportion like that, you blew

838
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 6: it out of proportion.

839
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Speaker 3: You did, you made a spectacle of yourself.

840
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 6: You did a circus outside of the courthouse that every

841
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 6: major news station picked up and talked about.

842
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 2: But they picked up on him because they thought he

843
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 2: was a fan, right, yes, And I think that's I

844
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 2: think if we not if we have to we knock

845
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 2: him forward, I think we have to knock traditional media

846
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 2: for it too, because they got played.

847
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 6: Okay, no, and that's fair, and that's fair, but it's

848
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,919
Speaker 6: the idea. It's like the it's like the Sally Jesse

849
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 6: Raphael thing, right, Like she was like a respected journalist

850
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 6: like radio. Yeah, if you didn't see the great hairs

851
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 6: in my chin, I just told you how old I

852
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 6: said the name Sally Jesse. But like she was a

853
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 6: traditional journalist and her talk show was not like necessarily

854
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 6: the same thing as her traditional journalists, like she you

855
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 6: know you have it was full of fuckeries and it

856
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 6: was like, okay, this is the thing, so this blueprint

857
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 6: isn't even necessarily a new thing. Like I feel like

858
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 6: there's journalists and writers media. You think about it, literally

859
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 6: this talk show and this talk show. He tried to

860
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,720
Speaker 6: do it straight forward.

861
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 2: You said, you said it man, Yeah, if you guys

862
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 2: had an outrage.

863
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: The outrage is what led him to doing the bullshit,

864
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: and he was surprised.

865
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Speaker 3: He was shocked.

866
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: He was shocked that this is what America he did.

867
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 2: He did he did catch a prostitution charge.

868
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Speaker 3: I mean, everyone, what are you talking about?

869
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: Everyone pays for pussy. God damn. That's why I don't

870
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 1: think did he go really get charged because niggas gonna

871
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: be like, well, we all to pay for some coaching

872
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: now we done all flew a little bit shut. So

873
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: but to me bringing back the Sally's, bringing up even

874
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:34,439
Speaker 1: the Jerry Springers now thinking you're right, this is where

875
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: we're thinking of new age media as something like in

876
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: armand Wiggins, no traditional media even in the nineties, I

877
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 1: didn't even think about that.

878
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 6: This is what like, there's been journalists and writers who

879
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 6: have been doing this, playing this role for a long

880
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 6: time of like I did this, I try to go straight,

881
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 6: and now I gotta go back to selling drugs.

882
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: I mean, to be fair, even what's her name? Is

883
00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: it Nancy Grace? The one who covers the criminal.

884
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 3: Like the children a king?

885
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: Do you remember Richard Bay Richard New York, New York

886
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 2: legend right there?

887
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 5: But like I think, I think earlier you talked about Beyonce, right,

888
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 5: and you talked about the country.

889
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. Category, we just need to put this ship in

890
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 3: a category, and it's.

891
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 2: Contemporary comp contemporary contemporary.

892
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 5: I think it's just I think it's degenerate, not degenerate,

893
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 5: because you said the people. The people are the ones

894
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 5: that have the opt out or opt in, and it

895
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 5: seems to be more times than not they opting in.

896
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 1: There.

897
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 5: Also, maybe for myself maybe and I'm I'm only speaking

898
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 5: for myself here, right.

899
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 3: But maybe we, oh, I overvalue.

900
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 5: What the culture is in terms of moral compass intelligence.

901
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 5: You mentioned comprehension skills earlier. We've seen a deficit in

902
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 5: you know that stuff, right. I know Dallas will always

903
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,720
Speaker 5: say you got two ears, one mouth. Well, now everybody

904
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 5: got two miles and no ears. So it's like maybe

905
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 5: accepting that fact about the degenerate culture of things, we

906
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 5: just need to put it in a box that's that's

907
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 5: what it is.

908
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: You know.

909
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 3: I think that's the problem.

910
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe we're looking at it wrong, Like everybody's not

911
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 5: going to be meet people where they're at. We're meeting

912
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 5: a massive, overwhelming populace people. Well, let's be clear about

913
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 5: something like and we all are degenerate. But that's what

914
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be.

915
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: Your mother, your mother, just look at your We like.

916
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,439
Speaker 3: That's but that's that's beyond. We're talking about something.

917
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 2: Now we look on.

918
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 3: Instagram, we see the that's what we don't know.

919
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: You in the group, we like, damn, this girl got

920
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: cheated on uh while she was pregnant. Her man, fuck

921
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: twenty five bitches while she was pregnant. That's the ship.

922
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 6: Thenas I watched it Chased by GSP, I watched one

923
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 6: this morning. The first video I watched this morning was

924
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 6: Georgia State Patrol chasing. Just no, just any video on

925
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:18,240
Speaker 6: the on Internet or Instagram of Georgia State Patrol chasing somebody.

926
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 3: I just want to see.

927
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: But here's the difference. Then here's the difference. Then watching

928
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: content for entertainment is different than viewing content for information.

929
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: And I think that that's the difference because, like I

930
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: was just telling a king the other day, shout out

931
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: to ste He put me on. There's a whole channel

932
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: now of like police cams and and them capturing niggas

933
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: snitching on each other doing crimes. So, like, I just

934
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 1: watched the whole thing about these niggas was going into

935
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 1: a TD bank and in West Pond Beach and Florida

936
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 1: and doing fraudulent checks for like over ten thousand dollars.

937
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 1: So they get caught. They see the mayor trying to

938
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 1: run out the car and he's like, no, man, he

939
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: was in there. It wasn't me. But you literally see

940
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: the two people snitching on each other. I was like, yo,

941
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: this this is good ship.

942
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 7: I know.

943
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 3: He's gonna tell Hen.

944
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: Florida stay embarrassing people. Oh my god. But it's it's

945
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: such good content. But like, you're right, I think that we,

946
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: outside of comprehension skills, also lack nuance, Like like not

947
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: everything is for everybody. You don't have to agree with everything,

948
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: but there has to be a way in which you

949
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: dissect Are you watching this for pure entertainment value or

950
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 1: are you trying to get something from it? Again, back

951
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 1: to the question at the top, are you viewing this

952
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 1: to become smarter or are you selectively choosing to just

953
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,720
Speaker 1: be ignorant and even how you're receiving.

954
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing.

955
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 6: A part of new media that isn't probably talked about

956
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 6: enough or at least the messaging isn't I don't think

957
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 6: influence society at large quite yet. Is we're gonna have

958
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 6: new media, Like you said, everyone's got a microphone, everybody's

959
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 6: got an opinion. So now it becomes more incumbent upon

960
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 6: the listener to have literacy to understand what's going on,

961
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 6: and like, like you said, we're all gonna watch some

962
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 6: fluctionhit for fun.

963
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 3: But I know that's fun. When I eat a whole pizza,

964
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 3: I know that's pizza. That's not vegetables. I know that

965
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 3: you have a vegetable.

966
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 5: Like I know what this is.

967
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 6: I know what a bag of funions is, and I

968
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 6: know what in the rugular salad is and I did

969
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 6: not the same thing. And so as long as you

970
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 6: understand what it is you're listening to watching intaking, I

971
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 6: think people would be better off that way. But trying to,

972
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 6: like you said, trying to run with stuff as if

973
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 6: it's facts or proven or it's a legitimate thing that's

974
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 6: a whole nother you gotta go to a whole another

975
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 6: source that you're not getting that off Instagram.

976
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 5: And I call Cap on what he said about he

977
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 5: wished he could take it back. You could go outside

978
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 5: of a federal ass place and do that. You knew

979
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 5: that that was the whole intent about. And that's what

980
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 5: I was going to say.

981
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: There's a there's a thing, there's a there's a drug

982
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: in virality and attention right now where where whether you

983
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: started something to want to do something like I did

984
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: with my blog and then ended up leaning into the

985
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: mess because that's what people wanted. We have to be

986
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: honest as content creators. Why we're putting out certain things,

987
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: why we're leading into certain clips going out instead of

988
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 1: the informational ones, Like we even sit on this podcast

989
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: and we'll deep dive into some things where we're bringing

990
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: up laws, we're bringing up things that are informational that

991
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: might not make the clip because we want to also

992
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: garner a reaction. Reaction.

993
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 3: Basically, we study it.

994
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 5: We study how our audiences are yeh, because we are

995
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 5: audience right. So it was like, all right, what are

996
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 5: the trends in the and there's no blueprint we are

997
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 5: living the blueprint, and.

998
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 3: Really we are.

999
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 6: When I was writing Boss of Headline, I knew exactly

1000
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 6: what's gonna be the reaction. As I was crafting that

1001
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 6: ship the night before when something happened, I'm like, oh,

1002
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 6: I know exactly what I'm gonna say tomorrow. I know

1003
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 6: exactly how they're gonna react. I know exactly who's going

1004
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 6: to retweet it. I know who's gonna retweet it, like

1005
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 6: it and quote tweet it.

1006
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 2: I was laying out, I was laying out his Jordan's

1007
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 2: his shirt.

1008
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it was tomorrow.

1009
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 3: I can't wait.

1010
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 6: When that ship happened with the with THEE, when they

1011
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 6: came out as like a diehard report, I knew. I

1012
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 6: was like, tomorrow morning, it's gonna be fun. I'm going

1013
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 6: to flame this nigga, and it is gonna go crazy.

1014
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 5: You know what, I judge people when they when they

1015
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 5: pick up when I pick that up, don't pick up

1016
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 5: my Iberia.

1017
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 3: You know you don't worry. You gotta get that for

1018
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 3: the people.

1019
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 2: You're gonna get that.

1020
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: Let me tell y'all how bad I am. And this

1021
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: is me being selectively ignorant because bitch, I love. They

1022
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: gotta write some peace box because write some peace take

1023
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: a long time, right, got one dat it's real good, Nigga.

1024
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: I went to three grocery stores looking for that guy.

1025
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: I was looking for the Goya on the shelves, and

1026
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:16,280
Speaker 1: I said.

1027
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 2: She said, hey, hey man, anybody, anybody, anybody got somebody

1028
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 2: free just the free giving away man, Hey many Nigga.

1029
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm in Georgia. I know there's go products.

1030
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 1: I know that they were not thrown off at the

1031
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: Trump support Nigga. I went to three stores. Then my

1032
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: ass on Amazon, like maybe I.

1033
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 3: Can order that ship went to Highway. You should have

1034
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 3: went right to beat Highway and you got that.

1035
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:42,399
Speaker 1: When I tell you, even they like, like I said,

1036
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: they little so free throwing ship, got that good ship,

1037
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 1: like they cut down the time it takes to make

1038
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: some really good show.

1039
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 3: Has frozen planting. Wow, it's the easiest ship to do.

1040
00:53:59,120 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 3: How do you do that?

1041
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 2: What time is it even saving you?

1042
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 3: Hold on? Hold on?

1043
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: You know what's crazy though, him knowing all the ship.

1044
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:12,240
Speaker 3: Because I'm they got frozen peanut butter and jelly frozen.

1045
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: Jelly Prez's cheese crustables is one of my favorite. Yes,

1046
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: I don't do that I'm an uncrustable asshole.

1047
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 3: Okay, we gotta do it class. We need an episode

1048
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 3: we can I don't like uncrustable. I can make the

1049
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 3: ship myself.

1050
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,320
Speaker 1: Oh no, I just throw it out at all and

1051
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: I wait for that thing too.

1052
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 2: On.

1053
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 3: This is what we're fighting on the time.

1054
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 2: Ye get you, get you all back on track. Can

1055
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,399
Speaker 2: I ask a question about words and word choices? Yes,

1056
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 2: come on words and word choices, because because we've been

1057
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 2: saying it, I think ar mind pouring oil on him

1058
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 2: was good content but bad media.

1059
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 5: That makes sense?

1060
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 6: Are you like, from from a subjectives? Just looking at

1061
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,439
Speaker 6: it from a does this work? Or does this not work?

1062
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 3: Hell? Yeah, that should work? Right now?

1063
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: We all have let it work to do what? Just

1064
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: garner attention?

1065
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:20,720
Speaker 2: But that's what that's supposed to attention?

1066
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would, but I would.

1067
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: Want to know again as a content creator, as a journalist,

1068
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: when you do things like that for attention, a lot

1069
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: of times we also want to do things to get subscribers,

1070
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,800
Speaker 1: to get money to get my things and work to

1071
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: do what Because if he didn't get an influx abtraction

1072
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 1: to his channel, or if he lost supporters for that,

1073
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: did it really work?

1074
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 3: But here's the thing about it when you do this.

1075
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 3: For some people doing this, they want two things out

1076
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 3: of this.

1077
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:52,399
Speaker 1: What do they want?

1078
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 6: They want to get paid and they want attention. Okay,

1079
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 6: that's not that. Those are the two currencies that you

1080
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 6: have here. So for him, he can come on there

1081
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 6: and what I don't know what happened that would make

1082
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:04,800
Speaker 6: him say, oh, I regret it now, what happened? You

1083
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,919
Speaker 6: didn't lose anything, You didn't your house didn't.

1084
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 2: I think he didn't know how to handle the unwanted

1085
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 2: attention right, Like to your point, like he wanted attention,

1086
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 2: but then when he was getting some of the other attention,

1087
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 2: which maybe was coming from people outside the community that

1088
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 2: weren't going to stick with him and follow him, and

1089
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 2: they were criticizing him. That's what I don't want him though, Like, yeah,

1090
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 2: that's why he shouldn't apologize.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, don't don't apologize.

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00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 5: To stand on that and let it be what it is,

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00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 5: because it's going to be a degenerated outlet that's going

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00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 5: to give him a platform to do that wild ship

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00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 5: and then he's not.

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00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 2: But he has his own platform, he doesn't even need.

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00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 1: He got an oil fund that he's for people to

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00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: donate money. He could have, he could have.

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Speaker 3: I just don't like the word fund, like fund sounds like.

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00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 2: Okay, that's so that's my second part of it, right,

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00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 2: Like there's uh so like I'm my people call me

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00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 2: aournalists identify as a journalist people, And I'm just I'm

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00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 2: just saying in terms of like having like a public profile. Right,

1104
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 2: people refers to me as a journalist. I viewed myself

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00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 2: as journalism. I mean, went to journalism school, but like

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00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 2: I also published a newsletter, right and and so that's

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00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 2: probably like that's creator like, but I don't think of

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00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 2: myself as a creator. But those things it's probably almost

1109
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 2: sillier for me to not think what I'm not. And

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00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 2: they just they're almost all the same thing. But there's

1111
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 2: so many similarities.

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00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: Do you identify as a journalist because you went to

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00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: journalism school? I think that that's what I'm here.

1114
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's I think it's because

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00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 2: of the activities that I learned from the school that

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00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 2: I still do. So Like I operate my newsletter, I

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00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 2: make phone calls in my newsletter. I try to break

1118
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 2: things in my newsletter. I'll get sources. Like it's not

1119
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 2: just like this is it's not just off of vibes

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00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 2: or how I feel or what I think, Like there's

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00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 2: a there's a foundational element. I don't and I don't

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00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 2: mean that because, like I said, I think I.

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00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 3: Want to go for accounting.

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00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 1: Anymore.

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Speaker 2: But I think I think the oil fund is funny,

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00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 2: and I think that's it is I would I wouldn't

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00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 2: do that, right, but that's not like that's not my DNA,

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00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 2: but I think that is good content. But also the

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00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 2: idea of what like what you just said, you want

1130
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 2: to accounting school. You went to school for accounting, but

1131
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 2: that's not what you do anymore, but you run a

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00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 2: business that requires finance, right, And I think it's just curious,

1133
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 2: like like what we call ourselves right where it's like

1134
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 2: mandya are you a podcast? So you said you're a

1135
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 2: creator job, what do you call yourself today?

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00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 3: I call myself.

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00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 6: I called myself a writer only because I didn't feel

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00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 6: comfortable with journalists a not just because I didn't go

1139
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 6: to journalism school, but like my writing hasn't really appeared

1140
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 6: in places that would be uh strict journalism media outlets,

1141
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 6: Like I don't write for the AJAC. I don't write

1142
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 6: for a newspaper. I didn't write for a magazine. But

1143
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 6: I'm a guy who knows how to write and respects

1144
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 6: the tenants of journalism because that's what makes for good writing,

1145
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 6: that gives you credibility. So I don't consider myself a journalist,

1146
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 6: but I try to operate within as many of those

1147
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 6: tenants as I can in a given situation.

1148
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 3: So who ask me what I am? I just tell

1149
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 3: them I'm a writer.

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00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 2: I would say you're like a cultural critic or a cultural.

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00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 6: Culture critic, because to me, journalism is a title that

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00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 6: you have earned through either school or your history of

1153
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 6: integrity in your work.

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00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: I think the way we are now trying to place

1155
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: labels on titles in this space is the same that

1156
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: people place titles on their sexuality. I don't give a

1157
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: fuck about you, know what I mean? Like, I think

1158
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: that we even try to tell someone what they are

1159
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: or what they're not, and a part of me is

1160
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 1: just like, eh, I don't know like that. I know

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00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: what I am right now as an author, but when

1162
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 1: it comes to like podcasting, I know I don't do interviews.

1163
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 1: I have conversations, So there's a different way in which

1164
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: I delivered things as well, but again, I didn't go

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00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 1: to journalism school, so I would never sit up and

1166
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: say I'm a journalist. Like I also don't like interviewing

1167
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 1: too much.

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00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 2: Like do you identify as a podcaster or a creator

1169
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 2: or are they the same or is there difference?

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00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: Is both? I do? I say media personality and podcaster.

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01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 1: I lean into both because I've also hosted a dating

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01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 1: show on MTV. I've also done stuff with Revolt and

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01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 1: like you know, I've done I've done a lot of

1174
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 1: different things that take me outside of just sitting in

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01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: front of a mic.

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01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 2: But this is what if I called you? What if

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01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 2: I called you a streamer? Because I I'm just like.

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01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 1: I do want to stream, but that's the thing. I

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01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 1: don't live stream. I think once I get in front

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Speaker 1: of my cameras.

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01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 2: On Instagram, on Instagram live like every morning.

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01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: Calm down, not every morning, once a week, calm down?

1183
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 2: But is that?

1184
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 3: But is that not? If you did it?

1185
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:34,439
Speaker 2: The only difference is if you did it on Twitch.

1186
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 2: But it would be the same thing. So you're could

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01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 2: I think I could honestly say you're.

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01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 1: A streaming I say no, because the the everyday person

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01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 1: that might hop on an I g live because they're

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01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 1: around their friends. That doesn't make them a streamer. So

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01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: I would never call myself that until I get to

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01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 1: the place where I am live streaming. But just someone

1193
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 1: hopping on a social no, it doesn't make everyone.

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01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 8: Like you.

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01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 1: Up to this sentence, you uploading a video to YouTube

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01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 1: does not make you a YouTuber. I just had this

1197
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 1: this argument with redacted. I'm not gonna say his name

1198
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 1: because I fucking think he sucks, but he literally tried

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Speaker 1: to t label me a YouTuber because I have a

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01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: YouTube channel, and I was like, no, my nigga, I'm

1201
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: a podcaster. This is just another avenue of marketing for me.

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01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: It's like a commercial for me. But I've never identified

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01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 1: myself as a YouTuber because I don't go into the

1204
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 1: algorithm of YouTube and fully like, damn, let me monetize this.

1205
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 1: I don't care about my numbers on YouTube. I care

1206
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: about my audio numbers on podcasting because this is where

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01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: I made my brother and product, and.

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01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 6: I think some of it also, I would say for

1209
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 6: me anyway, and I don't have I don't have a

1210
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 6: YouTube channel or do any of those things right now.

1211
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 6: But for me, it's to me, it's about what you

1212
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 6: put your effort and investment into. If your effort in

1213
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 6: investment is into podcasting, then I feel like it makes

1214
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 6: sense to refer to your story as a podcaster. But

1215
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 6: like you said, posting the content on Instagram, posting the

1216
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 6: content on YouTube or whatever other platform doesn't.

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01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 1: Make you that Oh yeah, like you pulling up on

1218
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 1: amateur Night and motherfucker don't think you know what I mean?

1219
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: Like it don't.

1220
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 2: So I mean so our DJ streamers now, like like DJ.

1221
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: Imagine, Yeah, you got a few DJ damage who gets

1222
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 1: on TikTok every day. Like that's what I'm saying. You

1223
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 1: could be more than one thing, like in this space. Yeah,

1224
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 1: I mean this conversation with somewhere that I didn't expect

1225
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 1: it to. Not me really just being like, y'all just

1226
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:36,919
Speaker 1: got to figure out how to fuck you digest shiit,

1227
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 1: how you dissect it, how you consume it, like, because yeah,

1228
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 1: it could be informational for you or it could just

1229
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: be entertainment. But I need y'all to get the fuck

1230
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 1: out of the comments when you just don't agree with somebody,

1231
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: like someone is like, oh my god, I don't want

1232
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 1: to listen to this ship. You know, you have a

1233
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 1: choice you don't have to.

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01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 3: Bruh.

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01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 1: The hate listener is a whole other thing, but the hate.

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01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 6: But we will never probably be able to quantify this

1237
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 6: for this show, or probably any other show for that matter.

1238
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 6: But I feel like for any platform that has grown

1239
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 6: to a certain size, I'm just gonna make up an

1240
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 6: arbitrary number because that's what these niggas do, right.

1241
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna say that that fine.

1242
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 2: Is that fine?

1243
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 3: Hey, yeah, you're gonna put this in that fine?

1244
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 6: I would say that like anywhere from ten to maybe

1245
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 6: even twenty percent of listeners of major programmers are hate listening,

1246
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 6: hate watching.

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01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 3: That's part of the audience, like they're coming back, Yeah,

1248
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 3: their return.

1249
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 6: People hate Joe Rogan, but I will guarantee you there's

1250
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 6: a lot of people listening to Joe Rogan who disagree

1251
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 6: with everything he's saying.

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01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 1: I listen to both I hate Joe Budden like the

1253
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 1: podcast and even a lot of their taste. I don't

1254
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 1: think that the way that I listen to them is

1255
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 1: not the way that I listen to Van Lathan and

1256
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 1: Rachel Lindsay. It's not the same way I listen to

1257
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 1: the read. There's certain people that I do think do

1258
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 1: a very well job and sharing their opinions because they

1259
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 1: looked into it, they actually have a thought process from it.

1260
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 1: Then there's another to hear people iterate things they read

1261
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 1: on Twitter and not really stand true in having an

1262
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:14,439
Speaker 1: actual opinion. And I think for a podcast with fifty

1263
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 1: eleven people, I listen to it and I'm more frustrated

1264
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 1: that there's not a deeper take into their opinions and

1265
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 1: why they have them. It's why I have this show,

1266
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 1: Like I can respect people having a difference of opinion,

1267
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 1: but when I bring on guests or when I talk

1268
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 1: to y'all, I want to make sure that you have

1269
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 1: an opinion because of your experience or because of your background,

1270
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 1: not because you've been on Twitter all morning and now

1271
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 1: your opinion has been crafted by the masses and now

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01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 1: you're just saying what you think the audience wants to hear.

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01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, that's what I get from them. And then

1274
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 1: when it gets deep, niggas make jokes because it's uncomfortable

1275
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 1: to get deep because maybe now you feel dumb, So

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01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: for me it's entertaining. But I actually listen to it

1277
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 1: kind of hate a lot of their takes. But there's

1278
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 1: other platforms that I'm able to listen to during the

1279
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 1: week where I gathered some information that I appreciate.

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Speaker 6: I mean, And that's again, that just goes back to

1281
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 6: what I was saying as far as the listener. If

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01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 6: you're the listener, you have more of a responsibility now

1283
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 6: to understand what you're listening to. Yeah, and like view

1284
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 6: it in that way and keep it keep things in

1285
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 6: their proper perspective.

1286
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 1: So, Jason, what do we want to ask the audience

1287
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 1: to sit with after this conversation. What's the question we're

1288
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 1: going to give them.

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01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 2: It's cool and I've been thinking about a lot of it.

1290
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 2: I guess I was going to ask you this question,

1291
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 2: but maybe we should ask it to the audience. Remember

1292
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:38,440
Speaker 2: when we did the R and B episode and you

1293
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 2: were like you were differentiating between soul and R and B,

1294
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 2: and you should it for R and B. I have

1295
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 2: to feel it in my heart and feel it in

1296
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 2: my pants. Mandy B says this, Yep, right. So I

1297
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 2: was going to ask you what makes media, like what

1298
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 2: makes media today?

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01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 5: Like?

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01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 2: What are what are the things that make media? And

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01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:55,280
Speaker 2: you know, Job said something interesting where it's like it's

1302
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 2: not you know the thing that you use, but it's

1303
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 2: what you do right or how you identified. But I

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Speaker 2: don't know, is it something to work to ask the audience,

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Speaker 2: like what what are the characteristics that they think for media?

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Speaker 1: For me, media media should be differentiated between informational and entertainment.

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01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 1: And I think that we kind of blurred the lines

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Speaker 1: there just a little bit. And it's like I said,

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Speaker 1: it's why I like listening to a Van Lathan or

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Speaker 1: even an antinette on around the way Curls because there's

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Speaker 1: thought out research done which may lean into more bit

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Speaker 1: of journalism. Like there's actual read and there's actual fact.

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Speaker 3: Opinions.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, there's the sharing of facts and breaking

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01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 1: down the history of it and actually delivering it away

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Speaker 1: where I'm learning. And then there's the difference having opinion

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01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 1: on some ship and now it's this is just for

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01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 1: me to get my will spinning, but someone's opinion never

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01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 1: really teaches me anything, if that makes sense. I don't

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01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 1: think people listening here like what what I hope people

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Speaker 1: get from any of the platforms that I'm on is

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Speaker 1: what I'm y'all know, what I'm gonna do is give

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Speaker 1: a motherfucking opinion. But I'm not telling you how to think.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe everything I say is right or wrong.

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01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:14,040
Speaker 1: It's my opinion, and so I just push people to

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Speaker 1: have their own. But to me, that's how I distinguish

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01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 1: between media as a whole, Like what I'm gathering from it,

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Speaker 1: soaking in and actually learning, and then what I'm just watching.

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Speaker 2: Being entertained by me to be entertained.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I mean a while ago, I had a conversation with

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Speaker 6: my homegirl in New York and she was she was

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01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 6: calling what I do news and I was like, I

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01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 6: don't really do news, Like yeah, you do, and I

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01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 6: was like, nah, I don't really do the news, and

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Speaker 6: she was like, well, you know, you post stories that

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Speaker 6: real things happening that people are reading and consuming, and

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Speaker 6: you're doing it with you know, the facts, even if

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01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 6: there's like some comedy in there or some you know,

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01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 6: like I said, crazy headlines and shit like that. But

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01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 6: you're doing stories that people are reading about, whether it's

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01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 6: something entertainment or something police brutality or whatever scandal is

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01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 6: going on in public eye at the time, you know.

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, but that's not news. And we went

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01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 3: back and forth about this for like thirty minutes.

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Speaker 6: And this is a conversation that happened maybe a decade ago,

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01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 6: and you know, now we're here in this space having

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Speaker 6: this conversation when so much of the media has changed.

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Speaker 3: But to her point, people think everything is the news.

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Speaker 5: They do.

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01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 6: But the news is supposed to be journalism, information, facts, research,

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01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 6: all this stuff you were talking about, that's the news.

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Speaker 3: But now it's just like the news just means what

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01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:36,599
Speaker 3: just happened thirty minutes ago, Yeah, to people, And that's

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01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:37,639
Speaker 3: not what I post.

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01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 6: What can I post? What is the what story just broke?

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01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:41,680
Speaker 6: I don't have all the information, but I know for

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01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:43,600
Speaker 6: a fact this thing happens, so I can talk about it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, even the fact that music reviews, which at

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01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 1: one point was a bit of journalism, Like Jason, you

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01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 1: are part of that landscape. I was a music sign,

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01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 1: you were period. It is now album dropped Friday, ten

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01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:02,559
Speaker 1: hours into listening. Now they're spewing their thoughts and critiques

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01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:04,559
Speaker 1: on an album that hasn't even been out for twenty

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01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 1: four hours.

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Speaker 5: I don't mind that you don't because I have a

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01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 5: so and this is kind of leaning into outside of

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01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 5: the content creation podcast space. On the music side, I

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01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 5: have a rule. I know, I a record is dope.

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Speaker 5: Fifteen seconds in okay easy, I'm not just saying that

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01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 5: this is a this is a thing.

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Speaker 1: Records don't grow on you because I don't know.

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01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 3: They still grow.

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01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 2: That's the thing.

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01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 3: I know. When when is when is lit?

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01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 1: But the thing is, he said, I like showers, not growers.

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01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:48,160
Speaker 1: W wild, He said, I know what fifteen seconds if

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01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:48,680
Speaker 1: I want to be.

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01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:58,639
Speaker 3: Baby, I forgot no sidebar, not a sidebar.

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01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 5: But when you said you didn't know how to identify yourself, right,

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01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 5: I went over to the new Oh, I went over

1382
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:11,840
Speaker 5: to the New Black Slaw Dictionary of Chat GPT, and

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01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:17,120
Speaker 5: they said that you are a journalist, editor, and cultural commentator.

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01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 1: Not identified.

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01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 5: Let me tell you what happened when I put his

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01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 5: name in there, right, they gave me the other Jason Lee.

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01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:29,680
Speaker 5: Of course, Oh, mister hip hop, they said, Oh, let

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01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 5: me let me. That's what I'm gonna get to, mister Reguez.

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01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:39,800
Speaker 3: Second, it says great distinction. Oh yo, this ship is crazy.

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01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 3: Jason A.

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01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 5: K A is a different figure from Jason Lee from

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01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 5: talk about period, period talk about that.

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01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:49,320
Speaker 3: So he gave that assessment.

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01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 1: Dam I should have actually introduced you as just Jason

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01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 1: Lee and people.

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01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:54,799
Speaker 3: People figure.

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01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 1: He south straight?

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01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 3: So uh where Mandy said?

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01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 2: Uh? Uh?

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01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 5: Mandy B is an immediate entrepreneur, podcaster, and sex positive

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01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 5: cultural commentator.

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01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 1: Okay, that's good.

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01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 3: I'm not mad at that's good for mister.

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01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 5: It says, oh maybe no. Jason ro Reguez is a

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01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 5: veteran hip hop journalist and media executive who's worked as

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01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 5: an editor and strategious and cultural story shape strategious.

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01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:26,799
Speaker 1: It's crazy, it's strategy.

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01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 5: We in a we're in a society of the generators

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01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:36,719
Speaker 5: about bringing back cursive writing.

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01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 1: I never got We're old. I still do cursive Okay.

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01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 3: The fact they bring it back is crazy.

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01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:45,640
Speaker 2: Uh.

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01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 5: Who's work as an editor, strategist and cultural storyteller has

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01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 5: shaped how narratives and document and document how shake back?

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01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 2: Come on chat t help me out with the other

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01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 2: ship speak GPT.

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01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 5: Jason Royrigguez is a veteran hip hop journalist and media

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01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:08,680
Speaker 5: executive who's worked as an editor, strategist, and cultural storyteller

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01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:11,759
Speaker 5: has shaped how hip hop narratives are documented and shared

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01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 5: across digital platform not documented.

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01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:14,680
Speaker 3: Choking you up?

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01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 1: What about you a king?

1424
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:20,520
Speaker 2: But if I hold this up on my content creator.

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01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 3: A little mini microphone.

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01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:29,599
Speaker 5: I've seen someone I'm not gonna say they name because

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01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:31,560
Speaker 5: I don't know if I really like their content like that.

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01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:33,640
Speaker 5: That's funny and they've been in but they had the

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01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 5: little ship and I'm like, look at this nigga. Sorry

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01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:39,680
Speaker 5: I'm doing look at this degro with the ship on

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01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 5: his chin. But anyway, it says uh A. King is

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01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 5: a pioneering podcast producer, pioneering yeah period, talent manager, and

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01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:51,560
Speaker 5: cultural curator whose work has shaped hip hop podcasting and

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01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:54,639
Speaker 5: champion authentic storytelling across music and media.

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Speaker 1: Do y'all see we coatsing this motherfucker I'm talking about?

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01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:00,640
Speaker 1: All right, well, y'all, we are about to sign on

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01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:08,680
Speaker 1: out Jason Lee the one, thank you see one period Jah,

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01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 1: thank you for joining us.

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01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 3: Always would love you.

1440
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 1: To join us whenever you are. And I'm waiting for

1441
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 1: you to get on a goddamn microphone even though niggas

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01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:22,680
Speaker 1: ail like no more microphones for the black community. There

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01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:26,760
Speaker 1: we go, period period, will y'all. This is another episode

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01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 1: of Selective Ignorance, where curiosity lives, controversy thrives, and conversations matter.

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01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 1: See you next week.

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01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:35,559
Speaker 3: I know that.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for tuning in the Selective Ignorance of Mandy B.

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Speaker 2: Selective Ignorance. It's executive produced to buy Mandy B. And

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01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 2: it's a Full Court Media studio production with lead producers

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