1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Hey, ba fam, here's another how to throw back. In 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: honor of Pride Month, we look back at LinkedIn career 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 1: expert Drew McCaskill's appearance from twenty twenty two. He breaks 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: down the best way to use LinkedIn for job seekers 5 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: and entrepreneurs. Plus, Drew discusses how diversity plays a role 6 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: in navigating through a post grad career. He's one of 7 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: my favorite guests in Joy. Hey, hey, hey, we're back. 8 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: We're black. We're extra black today. You just wait and see. 9 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: We're brown. 10 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 2: Oh you are that voice? We're brown? Am hey man? 11 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 3: They heard that bass, they heard that baritone. That's not 12 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 3: mandra Hey, Tiffany, how are you? There's some testosterone in 13 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 3: the show today. 14 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 2: What am I gonna do? 15 00:00:58,800 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: I know? 16 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 3: So excited y'all. Today we have a very very special guest. 17 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 3: We have been trying to have this gentleman on the 18 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 3: show for a minute now, but Covid had other plans 19 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 3: for me, for everyone else. But we are so so 20 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 3: excited to welcome Drew mccaskell. 21 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 2: To Brown Ambition. 22 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 3: So let me tell you a little about Drew before 23 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 3: we get into you know, let him and bless him 24 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 3: with bless you with his velvety voice. But Drew and 25 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 3: why everyone should know about Drew is he's a LinkedIn 26 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 3: career expert and culture analyst, an inclusion champion, a marketing 27 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 3: executive at LinkedIn. Of course, he's a career expert and 28 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 3: communications executive. But before LinkedIn, I mean Drew's career just 29 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 3: spans runs the gamut. He most recently was leading D 30 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 3: and I Diversity and Inclusion Strategy for the Global Sales, 31 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 3: Marketing and Public Affairs function at Facebook might have heard 32 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 3: of it and US consumer Marketing and Global Communications at Nielsen, 33 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 3: where he also led communications for Nielsen China. And he 34 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 3: was named one of PR Week's Top forty under forty 35 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 3: p R executives and co authored y'all co authored the 36 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 3: award winning Diverse Intelligence series on the economic and cultural 37 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 3: impact of multi cultural consumers. So, without further ado, welcome 38 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 3: to the show. 39 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 2: Drew. Yes, Hey, thank you all for having me. This 40 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: is amazing. I'm loving it. 41 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: So I have been on a shoot show many times, 42 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: and you guys might have heard of at the Karen 43 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: Hunter show. Karen is a girl, and so Ju and 44 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 1: I have been guests many times and often sometimes we'll 45 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: be on at the same damn time and. 46 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 2: The same damn time, and I love every minute of it. Look, 47 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:39,839 Speaker 2: not only were we on at the same time, but 48 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 2: my nieces both got your book. That's awesome. I was like, 49 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 2: I was like my I was like, y'all, we got 50 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 2: to all get our money right and this is this 51 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 2: is this is going to give us the jump start 52 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 2: we need. So I am I am also a fan. 53 00:02:58,919 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 2: So awesome. 54 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 3: Well, I'm really excited. First and foremost, tell people, what 55 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 3: does a professional LinkedIn at Career Expert do? Yes, what 56 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 3: are you? 57 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 2: A lot of what I do is sort of break 58 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 2: down into in the layman's terms, like some of the 59 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 2: things of how one to effectively use our platform, as 60 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: well as to talk a little bit about trends, things 61 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,519 Speaker 2: that are happening in the marketplace, like for job seekers 62 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 2: to help you understand. I mean, I lean in heavily 63 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 2: to having conversations with people who look like me and 64 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 2: kind of helping them decode some of the things that 65 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 2: are happening in the in the economy and the job market. 66 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 2: That's sort of like what I've always done, even at 67 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 2: Serious IO was Culture and Economics contributor at Serious XM. 68 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 2: My strong opinion is that women and people of color 69 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 2: need to all of us should have a LinkedIn platfor profile. 70 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 2: I don't just say that because I work at the company. 71 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 2: I thought that beforehand, but now I definitely realize that 72 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 2: every ten seconds, somebody gets a job on LinkedIn, and 73 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 2: there's a lot of opportunity for information sharing. And I 74 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 2: truly believe that the people perish for lack of information. 75 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 2: And when the information is there and free and all 76 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 2: you have to do is use the tool, I'm like, Yo, 77 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 2: that's us, let's get on it. Because I think about Twitter, right, 78 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 2: like African Americans in particular, Let's talk about black folks 79 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 2: for a second, make up fourteen percent of the US population, 80 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 2: but we make up about twenty eight percent of active 81 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 2: conversations on Twitter. Imagine if we over indexed on a 82 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 2: technology tool and platform that was literally created to connect 83 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 2: people to economic opportunity. What that could look like. What 84 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 2: if we over indexed in a place where everybody is 85 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 2: having conversations about economic opportunity, about getting the bag. That's 86 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 2: a whole different way of using your time online. And 87 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 2: part of what I do as a career expert is to, 88 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 2: you know, I feel like sometimes having a person who 89 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 2: looks like you, who comes from your community, who sounds 90 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 2: like you, who talks like you. Giving you that information, 91 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 2: it will oftentimes make people say, oh, okay, I can 92 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 2: trust this voice. I mean I had I feel like 93 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 2: I've built some credibility long before I came to LinkedIn, 94 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 2: and I think, you know, the mission is good enough 95 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 2: for me to leverage that credibility to help people understand 96 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 2: the opportunity that it's out there. 97 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, you talk about LinkedIn and listen as a career 98 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 3: coach myself. Just today I had a client and I 99 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 3: hear this all the time. I'm scared of LinkedIn, like 100 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 3: or it's not even I'm scared. They first they say 101 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 3: they hate it. I hate LinkedIn. I don't want to 102 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 3: be on LinkedIn. My profile is old and dusty. I 103 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 3: haven't updated it in years. And you know what it's 104 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 3: at the core of it is LinkedIn sometimes doesn't feel 105 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 3: like it's for us. So you mentioned like Twitter, you 106 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 3: know twenty I didn't realize that stat. That's just you know, 107 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 3: black Twitter is so strong. We all know that, but 108 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 3: I didn't know there was the stat behind it. So 109 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 3: thank you for that. But how can we make what's 110 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,559 Speaker 3: your take on that why doesn't LinkedIn feel as free, 111 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 3: you know, for us to join us on the such. 112 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 2: A fair question. It's such a fair question. And I 113 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 2: think that black folks are, particularly black women, are thriving 114 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 2: on LinkedIn, particularly black women entrepreneurs are thriving on LinkedIn. 115 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 2: But I also think that we're doing we're doing a 116 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 2: little bit better job I think now and making sure 117 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 2: that we have content that feels good and it feels like, oh, 118 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 2: this is for me. One of the reasons why I 119 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:32,239 Speaker 2: came on board was largely to help us reintroduce LinkedIn 120 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 2: to consumers who have felt like, oh, I don't think 121 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 2: it's for me. Actually it is. So I'm having conversations 122 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 2: in our community about how to use the tool, how 123 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 2: to make it less daunting, right, how to find information 124 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 2: that is that's germane to you and your experience, and 125 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 2: a lot of the things that we did, Like we 126 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 2: just spent all of February and March doing specific content 127 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 2: around entrepreneur black entrepreneurs. Right, black folks are black all 128 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 2: twelve months, not just February. Shout out to that. And 129 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 2: so in the entire month of March, we highlighted and 130 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 2: profiled black women entrepreneurs and them telling their stories and 131 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 2: how they found how they found community as well as 132 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 2: opportunity on the platform. And the more that you sort 133 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 2: of have those conversations and amplify those conversations, the more 134 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: when people come to the platform they start to see 135 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 2: content that looks familiar, right, But we also wanted to 136 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 2: be incredibly useful and that's a journey and it's a 137 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 2: journey that I'm excited to be a part of the 138 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 2: leadership on so that people do feel more, they do 139 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 2: feel more connected to the platform. But we got a 140 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 2: lot of work to do and in terms of that, 141 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 2: and you know, there's a lot of investment going into that. 142 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 2: But it's also around you know, I think sometimes career 143 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 2: conversations can feel like medicine, right, and you know, if 144 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 2: you've got you know, a sugary snack over here and 145 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 2: a little bit of medicine over here, like that sugary 146 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 2: you know Twitter snack. I was gonna say it may 147 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 2: be easier. 148 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 3: To Twitter convos Drew are not appropriate for LinkedIn. 149 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: He was like, you can't bring all that bratchet to 150 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: LinkedIn And sometimes jobs, okay. 151 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 2: We have we have we have controls for the chaos, right, 152 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 2: because it is still a professional platform and that's what 153 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 2: the conversations are about. And I think that's actually a 154 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 2: good thing. 155 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: Can I ask a question, Drew? So, So I love 156 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: that you said that black women and entrepreneurs are thriving 157 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: on LinkedIn. So if someone's listening, I would love if 158 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: can you give some best practices if you are an entrepreneur, 159 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: this is the way you should lean in. Versus if 160 00:08:55,960 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: you you know, are you know, have a career, you 161 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: know that you don't own your own business, This is 162 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: the best practices how you can lean in. Can you 163 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: like kind of differentiate the best ways to lean in 164 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: and those two sides. 165 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, So off top, there's a couple of things that 166 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 2: everyone should just think through. It's like, one, have a 167 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 2: good have a good profile picture, right, Like you don't 168 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 2: have to go out and spend a lot of money 169 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 2: on headshots, but you probably shouldn't have a beach selfie 170 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 2: on your LinkedIn profile unless you're a surf instructor, right, 171 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 2: And so I would say, have a great have a 172 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 2: great picture so people know that you're a real person. 173 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 2: Be really keen about what your superpower is and talk 174 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 2: about your skills and your experience right and why what 175 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 2: people need to know about you as a professional. That's 176 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 2: really really important. Use keywords that are that are really 177 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 2: germane to the work that you do right, and talk 178 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 2: about your skills, skills, skills, skills. That's how people find 179 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 2: you is based on skills. Skills are the key to 180 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,839 Speaker 2: the algorithm. I will say. In addition to that, if 181 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 2: you're an entrepreneur, say what you're looking for and figure 182 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 2: out who what groups there are that you can join 183 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 2: on the platform. There are lots of groups for entrepreneurs. 184 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 2: If you're an entrepreneur in finance, join the finance groups. 185 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,559 Speaker 2: If you're an entrepreneur and you have a service or 186 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 2: a business, do all of those things. If you're a 187 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:19,839 Speaker 2: professional looking for a traditional job and you're actively looking 188 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 2: for work, there are a couple of tools. One that 189 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 2: I think is absolutely amazing and it is called job Alerts. 190 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 2: Job Alerts allows you to look for a job while 191 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 2: you're eating, sleeping, working at your current job. Because you 192 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 2: set up a profile of the types of jobs that 193 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 2: you want, the geographies that you're looking at, companies that 194 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 2: you would like to work for, and as soon as 195 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 2: a job posts on our platform and there are millions 196 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 2: of jobs that post on our platform globally. Every day 197 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 2: you get an alert in your email that says, Hey, 198 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 2: a job that matches your profile that you set up 199 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 2: just opened up. Here's how you can now go and 200 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 2: apply for it. And I would say engage. Engage in 201 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 2: terms of finding the people on the platform that are 202 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 2: part of your community and even people that you want 203 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 2: to be a part of your community. Particularly if you're 204 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 2: an entrepreneur, I think LinkedIn is a great way for 205 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 2: you to engage with your network, with people who are 206 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 2: talking about and about the business that you also are about, 207 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 2: and using the platform as a networking tool is incredibly important. 208 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 2: And also if you are if you are a person 209 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 2: who's in that sort of phase of I'm I'm working, 210 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 2: but I'm also an entrepreneur at the same time as 211 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 2: many of as many folks are in sit in both 212 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 2: of those categories. Having a service page in addition to 213 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 2: your LinkedIn profile page that talks about this is my business, 214 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 2: this is my other business that I do, I'm a 215 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 2: freelance writer, or I know I'm on the speaker circuit, 216 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 2: and have that connected you to your profile page as 217 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 2: well that says that that makes it easy for people 218 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 2: to search for you if they're looking for somebody with 219 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 2: your skill or somebody who does what you do. Right, 220 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 2: Also if you're looking for if you are a person 221 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 2: who's looking for a job, LinkedIn has a feature called 222 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 2: open to Work, you can turn it on. 223 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 3: People are so scared of that one, Drew. 224 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 2: And so here's I know people are typically scared because 225 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 2: you know, if I'm working at LinkedIn, I don't want 226 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 2: LinkedIn recruiters to see it up open for work, right. Yeah, 227 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 2: But there's also there's a control for that too that 228 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 2: recruiters from the job that you have listed won't necessarily 229 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 2: see that you're open for work, but other recruiters will 230 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 2: be able to see that you can even if. 231 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 3: You I don't realize it had a way of like 232 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 3: filtering out recruiters from a way of. 233 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 2: Filtering that out. I mean, we've heard that before, we've 234 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 2: reacted to that, and we've we've created a solution for that. 235 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 2: And so that says to recruiters, immediately listen. My partner 236 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 2: is in recruiting and his entire team lives by LinkedIn, right, 237 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 2: They use it every single day. That's how they find candidates. 238 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 2: Particularly if you have one that you're open for work. 239 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 2: Go to the top of the list from when recruiters 240 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 2: are searching. 241 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: I like, I didn't know that there was like a 242 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: like a service page. So because I I'm like looking 243 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: at my LinkedIn now, I'm like, I mean, my picture 244 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: is all right, it's the it's the cover. 245 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 2: Of my book, which will be for a while. 246 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: But I didn't know I could like a link it 247 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: to like, hey, I mean people reach out, Like actually, 248 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 1: I'm looking at my LinkedIn profile and a company has 249 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 1: just reached out because they want to talk about like partnership. 250 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: So I was like, so I do check. 251 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 2: I would say weekly, give or take. 252 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: But I didn't know I could have a service page. 253 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. I'm definitely gonna like look at. 254 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 2: I mean someone that if you, hey, here's how you 255 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 2: booked me for speaking engagements, or here's the types of 256 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 2: I help and partner and do these things with with 257 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 2: you know, internal employee resource groups or things like that, 258 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 2: or I'm open to consulting all of those things. You 259 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 2: can do that on a on a profile page, and too, 260 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 2: you can go to Opportunity dot LinkedIn dot com and 261 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 2: figure out better ways to do all of those things like, 262 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 2: we know that that it can be a little daunting, 263 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 2: but opportunity at LinkedIn dot com also helps you. Look 264 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 2: at these are the top jobs that people are looking 265 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 2: for right now. This is the way that you can 266 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 2: write a really cool bio in that top part right 267 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 2: there that uses the key words to help people find you. 268 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: Hold that thought, Drew, because we're going to go to 269 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: break and will be right back and pick up with 270 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: all this awesomeness. Thanks so much. 271 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 3: All right, b a fan, we are back. Here's more 272 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 3: of our conversation with Drew McCaskill. Can we pivot just 273 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 3: a little bit and talk about the you know, we're 274 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 3: coming off of this period where it has felt like 275 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 3: a job seekers market, you know, the great resignation giving 276 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 3: way to labor shortages, companies competing more than ever. There's 277 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 3: something like two jobs for every open job seeker right now. 278 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 3: That being said, there is obviously a little bit of 279 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 3: like a cooling off in terms of the job market, 280 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 3: just a cooling off. I don't want people to get 281 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 3: like freaked out. I mean, the jobs report just came 282 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 3: out Friday. It's still really strong. It's a little bit 283 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 3: under what we what we saw in May. But still 284 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 3: really strong, and unemployment it's still so low. But you 285 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 3: must be getting the same kind of questions I get 286 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 3: from my coaching clients, which is, you know, do I 287 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 3: need to change my Do I need to try to 288 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 3: find a job quicker than I thought? Is it going 289 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 3: to be really tough to find a job in six months? 290 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 3: So for job seekers who are maybe a little bit 291 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 3: anxious about what's happening in the economy, what would you 292 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 3: say to them about their hopes for finding a better opportunity? 293 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 2: No pressure, no, no pressure on that. Listen. I don't 294 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 2: have a crystal ball, but I will say that you 295 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 2: can read the tea leaves on what's happening in the 296 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 2: economy right now, right like, let's just let's just be 297 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 2: real about it. I think that there's going to be 298 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 2: some contraction in the market, and that's you know, that's 299 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 2: my opinion, not as an economist, but as somebody who 300 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 2: reads the paper every day. I think for job seekers, 301 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 2: one of the things that you have to do is 302 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 2: get really clear about what it is that you want 303 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 2: to do and why is it Is this the right 304 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 2: time for you to make that move? What are you 305 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 2: looking for in a new opportunity. You also have to think, 306 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 2: I've got to now really investigate these companies before I 307 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 2: before I leave the job where I am today and 308 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 2: go work for somewhere new, and I've got to really 309 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 2: get a good idea of what I'm getting myself into. 310 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 2: I think what we saw a lot in the what 311 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 2: we call the Great Reshuffle, others call the Great Resignation, 312 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 2: is that there there was some resignation regret on a 313 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 2: lot of folks. A lot of people boomerang back to 314 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 2: their old jobs if they were if those jobs were 315 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 2: still available, because they looked at that number and they 316 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 2: looked at the prospect that they're looked around all of 317 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 2: their friends were changing jobs, and they thinking, Okay, well 318 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 2: the block is hot, let me go out and get 319 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 2: this additional bag without thinking about the culture. And so 320 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 2: what I would say to job seekers is you've got 321 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 2: to be really clear about what it is that you 322 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 2: want from work, why you want it, and what your 323 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 2: expectations are, so that when if you do make the 324 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 2: decide to make that move, you know the right questions 325 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 2: to ask. And you need to be asking companies just 326 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 2: as many questions as they're asking you in the interview process. 327 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 2: Are there people in leadership who look like me? You know? 328 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 2: You know who? Do I know who works there? Right? 329 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 2: Is there someone who works there who has a life 330 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 2: experience similar to mine? Let me reach out to them 331 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 2: and ask them and ask them about their experience working there, 332 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 2: Like you have to investigate the companies that you're going 333 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 2: to go work for just as much as they're thinking 334 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 2: about you and googling you and all of those things. 335 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 2: So culture matters. The other thing I would say is 336 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 2: it's still very much an employee marketplace. But I do 337 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 2: think that folks have to We'll see that contraction. And 338 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 2: so now it is making that decision. Do I am 339 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 2: I looking for more flexibility? Am I looking for more money? 340 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 2: Am I looking for a different a different role altogether 341 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 2: or in a different industry all together? How? And is 342 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 2: there an opportunity for me to make those moves internally? 343 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 2: Because a lot of what companies are saying right now 344 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 2: is my next employee may be my current employee, just 345 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 2: in a different role inside of this organization. A lot 346 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 2: of people leave great companies because they got shitty managers, right, 347 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 2: and so there may be an opportunity to think through 348 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:17,239 Speaker 2: how do I move on from this particular role and 349 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 2: still stay with this company if there's an opportunity in 350 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 2: other places that in that in that world, you have 351 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 2: not because you ask not. We have to get really, 352 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 2: really confident in the fact that there's so many more 353 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 2: things that are negotiable now than they've ever been before. 354 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 2: Employees have more voice and more choice than they've literally 355 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 2: ever had before. There are more platforms for folks to 356 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 2: be vocal about their work experience and their lived experience, 357 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 2: and companies are being a lot more mindful of that 358 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 2: now than they've ever been, and they're taking on and 359 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 2: they're taking on a lot more empathy and care than 360 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 2: they've had than they've done before, because now they live 361 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 2: really have to. 362 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: I was gonna ask That's like a good segue because 363 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: I I was going to ask if someone is an 364 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 1: employee and kind of looking for a new place to work, 365 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 1: or are some things to consider as it relates to 366 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: what's happening right now from you know roversus way to 367 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: you know, post racial reckoning. It's funny because I was 368 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 1: on a I was on a call with a financial brand, 369 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,479 Speaker 1: a huge financial brand, and we're working together, and I 370 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 1: was like, can I ask something candidly. They were like sure, 371 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: I said, why do you care about black people? All 372 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:36,959 Speaker 1: of a sudden, everybody was like scul You know, I 373 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 1: was on my kind yet because I was like, what 374 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: you're gonna do. You're gonna find another budgetista. You not, 375 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 1: We're gonna ask these real questions. And plus it was 376 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 1: like the leader on the call, she's a sister, so 377 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: she looked at me like, ooh, girl, yes ask. I 378 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: was like, so, I said, because I remember, like not 379 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 1: less than ten years ago, when I first came out 380 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: and I was trying to book things and whatever. You know, 381 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: I had to be careful to say women, you know, 382 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: because I said black women, and y'all ran off. And 383 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: I said, because you're not the only financial brand. I mean, 384 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: I'm beating financial brands off with a stick. 385 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 2: I said. 386 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: They just camped out, you know, in front of my 387 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: My My budget is to port. You know, they don't 388 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: even care that I'm working with there, and you know, 389 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: with the whomever, They're like, well, we'll go next, and 390 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, but why, And then of course it was 391 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: like the answer was something to the effect of like, oh, 392 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: because of the racial reckoning, you know, we want to 393 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: do better. I said, let's be real, what is the 394 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: financial benefit for helping black and brown people? Because you're 395 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 1: a company, You're not, I mean you you know, y'all 396 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 1: been down bad, so like like for real, and so 397 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: if you know, for folks who are like making decisions 398 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: now about what company to work for, what are some 399 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 1: things that they should be looking at as it relates 400 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: to modern challenges that that that companies have to have 401 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: to account for. 402 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:52,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that they. I think that you're You're 403 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 2: absolutely right, and I think the question that you asked 404 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 2: that organization is spot on right. But and part of 405 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 2: that is black folks contribute one point four one point 406 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 2: five you know, trillion dollars to the US economy every year. Right. 407 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 2: If black folks, just black folks were a global economy, 408 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 2: we'd be the fifteenth largest GDP in the world between 409 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 2: Spain and Mexico. Is black America, Right, And so when 410 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 2: you put that into context, that's companies are like, oh 411 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 2: wait wa whoa wait a minute, and black folks, particularly 412 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 2: led by black women, are demanding more of the people 413 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 2: that we spend our money with. That's just point blank period, right. 414 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 2: I think that that companies are reckoning with the fact 415 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 2: that there's an empathy gap out there. People are disillusioned 416 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 2: with church, they're disillusioned with government. They've been disappointed with 417 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 2: all of these organizations and entities that have had such 418 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 2: huge impacts on their lives, and they're thinking that the 419 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 2: one place where I have some modicum of influence is 420 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 2: now work. And companies are having to get really religion 421 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 2: around the fact that people are expecting them, employees and 422 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 2: consumers are expecting them to have some sort of you know, 423 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 2: moral impact, right to be moral actors. And that's so 424 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 2: new for most companies. And you're now seeing companies like 425 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 2: figuring it out right, Like you see a lot of 426 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 2: companies that are saying, okay, role has happened. What what 427 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:29,360 Speaker 2: can we do for the women at our company? Right? 428 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 2: We can't change the laws in the world, but what 429 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 2: can we do for our folks. Well, what we can 430 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 2: do is that if you need a reproductive health benefit 431 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 2: that you can't get in your state, we're gonna pay 432 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 2: for your travel so that you can get that benefit 433 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,719 Speaker 2: and still be able. And we're gonna look out for you. 434 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 2: We're gonna we're gonna look out for you. Right, You're 435 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 2: seeing companies now say wait a minute, Black folks, have 436 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 2: you know thirty plus percent sent more student loan debt 437 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 2: than their non Hispanic white counterparts. It takes them a 438 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 2: decade longer to pay it off. Okay, we can't do 439 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 2: anything about whether or not the government is going to 440 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 2: is going to write off student loan debt. But for 441 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 2: our folks, we're going to create a student loan debt 442 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,360 Speaker 2: relief program for our people when you come work here, right, 443 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 2: or we're going to bring in the budgetista to talk 444 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 2: to our employee resource groups about how to actively pay 445 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 2: off student loan debt or how to use company benefits 446 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 2: to do those things and do those things effectively. And 447 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 2: so if you're a prospective employee, the first thing you 448 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 2: got to do when I talk about researching companies is 449 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 2: in those interview processes, ask Hill, can you give me 450 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 2: an idea of what your Black employee resource group does? 451 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 2: Or can you give me an idea of what your 452 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 2: pride employee resource does. If it's just parties and potlucks, 453 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 2: then that might not be that might not be what 454 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 2: you need. Right, You might need something bigger than parties 455 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 2: and potlucks and shout out to the parties and the 456 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 2: potlucks because they breed culture. But you also have to 457 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 2: think about how does this benefit me? Right? Are there 458 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 2: people in leadership who look like me? I've always said 459 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 2: that if the senior most person in your organization of 460 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 2: color in your organization is the D and I person, 461 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 2: then you probably have a D and I problem. Right, 462 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 2: So you need to look across and see are there 463 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 2: people who are who are in management and leadership who 464 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,919 Speaker 2: look like me? Talk to somebody who else used to 465 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 2: work there or who works there currently. What is your 466 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 2: experience like We have to do peer to peer mentorship 467 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 2: and peer to peer information sharing as people of color, 468 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 2: primarily much more so than any other group, because our 469 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 2: experience is so differentiated when it comes to when it 470 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 2: comes to being at work. I say the same thing 471 00:24:55,960 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 2: with people who are part of the queer community in 472 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 2: the LGBTQ plus community, is that the questions that we 473 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 2: have to ask are different, right, and what is your 474 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 2: commitment to diversity and inclusion? You can ask that question, 475 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 2: are there any other people of color who are going 476 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 2: to be on my team? You can ask that question. 477 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 2: If those questions make the people that you're talking to 478 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 2: at work uncomfortable, it may be an uncomfortable environment for 479 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 2: you once you get there, right, like lean into the 480 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 2: discomfort in the beginning so that you won't have to 481 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 2: sit there and be uncomfortable for the next eighteen months 482 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:30,640 Speaker 2: while you're looking for a new job. 483 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 3: Thank you for saying that and what you said about confidence. 484 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 3: We have to be confident enough to ask for that. 485 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,959 Speaker 3: And also shout out to the employees who are asking 486 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 3: their leaders right now the tough questions about what are 487 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 3: you going to be doing? Are you going to be 488 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 3: rolling out any benefits you know, similar to XYZ companies 489 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 3: to offer that, like you said, the reproductive care or 490 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 3: healthcare benefits in other states, and like paying for travel 491 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 3: to get access to those benefits. 492 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 2: You can do that. 493 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 3: You can ray, you can raise a hand, you can 494 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 3: submit a question, you can email the CEO. They got 495 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 3: emails too, so. 496 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 2: And raise your hand and say, hey company leadership, or 497 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 2: hey head of equity and inclusion, or hey senior person 498 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 2: in this organization. I don't feel comfortable as a queer 499 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 2: person for us to have this, to take our company 500 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 2: and our money and to this event in this state 501 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 2: that is one of the states that has the more 502 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 2: than two hundred and forty pieces of anti gay legislation 503 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 2: in it. Can we have that conversation right? Employees, much 504 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 2: like consumers, have more voice and more choice than they've 505 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 2: ever had before. And I think that a lot of 506 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 2: it is around being able to say. I think that 507 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:55,679 Speaker 2: we've been conditioned to just stay in the pocket, don't 508 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 2: ask too and don't ask any questions, don't don't do this, 509 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 2: just be to be here and that's it. And I 510 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 2: think that that, particularly for younger professionals, that's not good 511 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 2: enough anymore. It is perfectly okay to say this is good, 512 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 2: but I think we can do better. That is okay 513 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 2: to say in this world that this is good, but 514 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 2: I think that we can do better. That's for your 515 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 2: career as well as for just how you move through 516 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 2: the companies and the spaces where you're working. 517 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I love the power of choice that you said, 518 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 3: like it's still very much as I agree, a job 519 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 3: seekers market, and for our listeners who are largely women 520 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 3: of color, but for people from the queer community too, 521 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 3: like yourself and black men. If you are not feeling 522 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,919 Speaker 3: safe where you are, I think the power of this 523 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 3: moment is that you are able to find a new 524 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 3: opportunity and you can. There are places that exist where 525 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 3: Adrew McCaskill can be, you know, an executive and a 526 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 3: budget neist to can be getting these checks for all 527 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 3: the monies, you know what I mean. Like, those places 528 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 3: do exist. Maybe they're harder to find. 529 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,439 Speaker 1: But they are out there, you know, and even if 530 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: businesses you know, like we just we'll have a press 531 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 1: release coming out soon. I was like, I'm committed to 532 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: providing health care to because my team is largely women. 533 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: If you've been denied in your state, you know, and 534 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: that comes up for you, and so we've committed. We 535 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: set aside a thousand dollars to help with travel and accommodations, 536 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 1: and so all of our employees have access to that. 537 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: If you're in a state that does not provide you 538 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: with a safe mechanism for not being pregnant anymore, if 539 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: that's what you so desire, so we're like, okay, you know, 540 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: and if you're in that state and you've decided to 541 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: determinate a pregnancy and you're not able to, well, we 542 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: will give you money to be able to safely come 543 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: to a place where you can do so. And so like, 544 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,719 Speaker 1: so don't think like you're listening you're like, oh, that's all. 545 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: It's only these big companies. It's like, no small companies 546 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: can commit, you know. I asked my CFO, I said, 547 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: how much if everybody said yes, you know, just in case, like, 548 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: how much can we commix? 549 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 2: I don't want to. 550 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: Say yes it's ten thousand dollars and everybody says me. 551 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, wait a minute. So you know, so 552 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: like she looked at our budget and was like, She's like, 553 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: if everybody say yes, we could comfortably do one thousand 554 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: dollars per person. I said, okay, let's do it, and 555 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: then next year, you know, as business does better, we 556 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: can commit to more. So just know that, you know, 557 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: the same goes through. 558 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 2: True. 559 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: The same is true for small businesses as it is 560 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: for large companies potentially. 561 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 2: And oftentimes it's small businesses. Tiffany like, things are way 562 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 2: more negotiable at small businesses sometimes than they are at 563 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 2: larger corporations. Right. So, oftentimes I say this all the time, 564 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 2: is that we have not because we ask not. We 565 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 2: have been conditioned to have this theory of lack. Where 566 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 2: as many of us are walking around in the face 567 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,959 Speaker 2: of abundance, and we are and our eye is not 568 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 2: trained to see it, right. And so what I say 569 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 2: to people all the time is do not let these 570 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 2: jobs steal your edges, your hair, if your men steal 571 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 2: your joy, right like, because there is a place out 572 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 2: there where you can go to work, be your authentic 573 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 2: self and thrive. You do not have to just stay 574 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 2: somewhere and just try and survive. And survival is not optimal. 575 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 2: We want you to thrive, right, and there are places 576 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 2: out there where you can do. You may have to 577 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 2: jump out of that You may have to jump out 578 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 2: of that boat right and try something that you've never 579 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 2: tried before, or get into a place where you saying 580 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 2: I'm going to take control of my career and I'm 581 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 2: going to use all of the tools in my tool 582 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 2: belt to do that. But work is supposed to give 583 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 2: you wings, not shackles. The reason why I go so 584 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 2: hard around talking to people about their power and their 585 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 2: choice and their voice is because work is supposed to 586 00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 2: give you wings and not shackles. Right. Money is supposed 587 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 2: to give you wings and not shackles. That is that's 588 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 2: the biggest piece of this, right. And so the reality 589 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 2: is that I don't want We've got to speak abundance 590 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 2: into the lives of other people, because I can tell 591 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 2: you that at my grown age, many of my peers 592 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 2: and I'm in my forties, many of our peers have 593 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 2: never had anybody speak abundance over their lives. Professionally. They've 594 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 2: told them about lack, They've told them about limitations, they 595 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 2: told them about well, these are the rules. You got 596 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 2: to follow this right here, and this is what you 597 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 2: got to do and keep your head down. No, you 598 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 2: deserve better than that. You're better and bigger than a job, right. 599 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 2: And so most of what freedom looks like for many 600 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 2: of us who are working, and we're all working in 601 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 2: some way, shape or form, is figuring out what your 602 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 2: mission is, right like, do you what problems do you 603 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 2: want to solve in the world, what's your superpower, how 604 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 2: do you use it? And what's in service to And 605 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 2: that sounds lofty, but it makes all of your decisions 606 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 2: so much easier about work and your jobs. And I 607 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 2: say that plural because previous generations where there was this 608 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 2: thing that people just told you, get that good job 609 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 2: and don't do anything to make them white folks mad 610 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 2: at you, right, and that is the wrong way to 611 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 2: think about any of this right is your superpowers. Can 612 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 2: you can have three or four jobs if you lean 613 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 2: into your mission and your superpower, if you lean into 614 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 2: just I got to do everything I can to keep 615 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 2: this one job. Managers will come and managers will go. 616 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 2: Jobs will come and jobs will go. Most of the 617 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 2: jobs that half of us have, especially in our twenties 618 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 2: and our thirties, are vehicles and not destinations. Most of 619 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 2: us don't need. There are plenty of folks in jobs 620 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 2: that they really don't need to just set up shop 621 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 2: and stay at that job forever. That job is probably 622 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 2: a vehicle and not a destination. And we've got to 623 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 2: do a mindset shift around it. Because there is abundance 624 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 2: around us. And that's up and down socioeconomic lines. That's 625 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 2: all that's across the board as it relates to people 626 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 2: who are first line and frontline workers, as well as 627 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 2: people who are in corporate environments. There's abundance out there. 628 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 3: Please pass the plate because I'm ready to put some 629 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 3: money in it. Like I I've just been to a 630 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 3: career servant. My heart is so warm because I agree 631 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 3: with like and that's what I preach all the time 632 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 3: as professional resilience, not job stability and job security. So oh, 633 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 3: I feel like that's so exciting. I mean, it's great 634 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 3: to hear. It's great to hear that from your perspective 635 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 3: because there's people that I think even I can't reach 636 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,239 Speaker 3: and to have like there's there's people who will hear 637 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 3: your voice and listen, and I hope that they hear 638 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 3: that true incredible. We're all FROs are like, wow, pass 639 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 3: the piece. 640 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 1: Well, I guess I mean to wrap up. I think. 641 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 2: I don't know. 642 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: I feel like you're going to set all things to 643 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 1: wrap up. Maybe if you can leave, like you know, 644 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 1: our listeners with one piece of effect, cause I feel 645 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: like someone took part. Like one of my friends, Lovely 646 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 1: she had posted on instat she said, God, if it's 647 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: the last days, just say it's the last days. 648 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:30,319 Speaker 2: You know. 649 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: Like, so sometimes it feels like that, whether it's your career, 650 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: your business, or I feel like that it always feels 651 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 1: like the guy is falling down. If you could just 652 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: give a piece of advice to our listeners, you know, 653 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: whether they own a business, whether they are in their careers, 654 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 1: like you know, as they move forward. Because to your point, 655 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 1: there's a lot of people who have not had abundance 656 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: spoken over them, like one last piece of advice that 657 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 1: you know, to give them that little boost, you know 658 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: as they as we navigate, you know what is likely 659 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 1: going to be a recession or whatever else is coming up. 660 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: You know. 661 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:09,919 Speaker 2: Yeah. The last thing I would say is what I've 662 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 2: learned as a black gay man in corporate America is 663 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 2: that nobody's coming to save you, so and and and 664 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 2: there's a freedom that comes from that. It sounds pessimistic, 665 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 2: but there's a freedom that comes from saying that nobody 666 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 2: is coming to save you. And what I why I 667 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 2: think that that's so important to know is that but 668 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,439 Speaker 2: there are things that you that you can do as 669 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 2: it relates to building building your career and building the 670 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 2: professional life that you want. And the first thing is 671 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 2: find your flock. We have this, We've been taught that, 672 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 2: like there's gonna that you can get this mentor or 673 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 2: a sponsor, and somebody in an ivory tower somewhere is 674 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 2: going to come down and anoint you with the knowledge 675 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 2: that you need to take the same career path that 676 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,359 Speaker 2: they took when they were you're age fifteen, twenty years 677 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 2: ago and the world was totally different. Find what I 678 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 2: would say is get find your people right, find a 679 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 2: community and network the hell out of it. My group 680 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 2: chat has saved my life so many times. And we 681 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 2: as people of color, I think there's a lot of 682 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,760 Speaker 2: there's a lot of ego and shame tied up around 683 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:29,799 Speaker 2: talking about money and talking about compensation. We got to 684 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 2: disavow ourselves of that notion. Find people that you can 685 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 2: have real conversations with and you can information share, and 686 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:37,879 Speaker 2: that you can talk to about and you can say, 687 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 2: did they give me all the interns from Howard because 688 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 2: I'm black? Or you can say, wait a minute, I 689 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 2: don't know how to I don't know how to negotiate 690 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 2: for equity, Like tell me the SKUs again, Like what 691 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,240 Speaker 2: should I be asking for? Is am I asking for enough? 692 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 2: All of those things matter. Peer to peer mentorship will 693 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 2: save your life as a person of color. You just 694 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 2: got to find the right people who are willing to 695 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 2: share information with and you share information back with them 696 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 2: your network. That information that comes from your network is amazing. 697 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,879 Speaker 2: Lean into it. Don't let the old rules about not 698 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 2: talking about money, or I don't want you to know 699 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 2: how much money I make, or I don't know what 700 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 2: the only want you to want what my offer was. 701 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 2: Let that go. It's not a competition. Community will save you. 702 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 2: The other thing that I would say too is always 703 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 2: be in the market. Always be in the market. You know, 704 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,719 Speaker 2: when you are comfortable, that's the best time to still 705 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 2: be looking around to see what your other options and 706 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,440 Speaker 2: your other opportunities are, Right, that's when you have the 707 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 2: most power to shift and the change, because I will 708 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:48,280 Speaker 2: tell you that God will make you so uncomfortable in 709 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,319 Speaker 2: comfortable situations that you can't help but move and get 710 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 2: out of that situation so you can go and be 711 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 2: who He called you to be. And I know that 712 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 2: to be a fact. I've lived that myself, and so 713 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 2: I would say, always be in the market, Always be 714 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 2: understanding what you're figuring out, what your value is in 715 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 2: the market. And the last thing I'll say is the 716 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 2: last thing that the ref says to the two fighters 717 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 2: in the ring before they ring that bell, is protect 718 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,440 Speaker 2: yourself at all times. And I say that to women, 719 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 2: I say that to queer people, I say that to 720 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 2: people of color. Protect yourself at all times, meaning protect 721 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 2: your peace, protect your integrity, protect the integrity of your 722 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:39,120 Speaker 2: work and your work quality, and don't let these jobs 723 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 2: break you don't let them break your spirit. Don't let 724 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 2: the markets break you, don't let the things that are 725 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 2: going on in the zeitgeist break you. I said this 726 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 2: to like about a year ago. I said, White America 727 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,439 Speaker 2: discovered that racism is real and that June tenth exists, right, 728 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 2: And what I said to you, what I said to 729 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,840 Speaker 2: my black friends and colleagues all the time, is like, 730 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,319 Speaker 2: you do know that if somebody walks up to you 731 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 2: and ask you to explain racism and the history of 732 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 2: racism and all of that to them at that particular moment, 733 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 2: you don't have to get involved in that, right, Like 734 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 2: there's all of these things that I say about protecting 735 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 2: your piece, whether it's at work or in any other place. 736 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,719 Speaker 2: And that's also like taking a break when you need it, 737 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,400 Speaker 2: asking for help when you need it. Like, don't you 738 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 2: know we did a survey around queer professionals and like 739 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,239 Speaker 2: fifty six percent of them say that all of the 740 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 2: anti gay legislation and the stuff that was happening in government, right, 741 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,279 Speaker 2: the stuff that was happening around them was giving them 742 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 2: what was causing them to have mental health issues. That's 743 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 2: over half, right, And so we don't have the luxury 744 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,360 Speaker 2: of not of being able to turn off the world 745 00:39:58,680 --> 00:39:59,800 Speaker 2: just because we got to get up and go to 746 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 2: work at nine o'clock tomorrow. Right, we don't have that luxury. 747 00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,719 Speaker 2: I still am a black man when I get up 748 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,839 Speaker 2: and go to work and do all those things, and 749 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 2: when I'm driving to work, you know, I also have 750 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,040 Speaker 2: in the back of my head that one in one 751 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 2: thousand black men will be killed by law enforcement in 752 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 2: this country. Right, I still have to go to work 753 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,480 Speaker 2: and do all the things. And so what I say 754 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,799 Speaker 2: is like, protect yourself at all times, meaning like give 755 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:30,839 Speaker 2: yourself space for peace, whatever that means, even if that 756 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 2: means looking for a new gig, even if that means 757 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 2: taking some time off, even if that means saying, you know, 758 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,400 Speaker 2: I'm excited that you want to have that conversation. I 759 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,040 Speaker 2: wish more people outside of the black community were interested 760 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,560 Speaker 2: in learning. I applaud you and doing that. I'm just 761 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,920 Speaker 2: not the right person to help you with it. You 762 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, find your flock, always be in 763 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 2: the market, and protect yourself at all times. 764 00:40:58,840 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. 765 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 2: That was awesome. 766 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,800 Speaker 3: Drew mccaskell, Thank you so much for joining Bran Ambition. 767 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,560 Speaker 3: I feel like I can listen to you talk all day. 768 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,080 Speaker 3: But if you guys want to find out more about Drew, 769 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 3: please go follow him immediately on LinkedIn. Right now, we'll 770 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,919 Speaker 3: post a link to his profile in the show notes. Drew, 771 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,359 Speaker 3: thank you so much for joining BA. 772 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. Can they find you? 773 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 1: Are you on? You on the instagrams? 774 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,600 Speaker 2: I am on the twitters. You can find me at 775 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:29,040 Speaker 2: Drew mccaskal on Twitter. I talk about career stuff as 776 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,480 Speaker 2: well as my favorite TV shows in politics, So be 777 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,680 Speaker 2: if you go follow me, just be ready because it's 778 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 2: not all about it's not all professional Drew. So just 779 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,400 Speaker 2: know that my professional install is at Drew mccaskell. You 780 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,719 Speaker 2: can follow me there, but it's all work stuff. Thank you, Drew, 781 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,400 Speaker 2: Thank y'all, thanks for having me all right. 782 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 1: Bye Bye, Hey Bavan, wasn't that an awesome throwback episode? 783 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,160 Speaker 1: It was such a fun trip down memory lane. Make 784 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:58,440 Speaker 1: sure to check us out every single week on Monday 785 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,279 Speaker 1: on Wednesday And okay, brought a bitch of this here 786 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,719 Speaker 1: for you. Okay, all right, so we will see you 787 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:10,360 Speaker 1: on Wednesday next Bye.