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Speaker 1: selection this week is Hell the Flu Works, and I'll

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Speaker 1: give you one reason why. This is from November fourteenth,

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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. H I hope you like it. I'm going

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Speaker 1: back to bed. Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a

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Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, There's

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Speaker 2: Charles W Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry. This is Stuff you

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Speaker 2: Should Know about the flu, which I have.

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Speaker 1: You know the flu?

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Speaker 2: Do you? I don't know, man, I can't. I can't.

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Speaker 2: I've been on the planet for forty one years. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I still can't really tell the difference between a flu

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Speaker 1: I think the difference that I can tell, and I

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Speaker 1: don't get a flu much. You know, always get the

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Speaker 1: stomach bug, which, as it turns out, is not a

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Speaker 1: flu I just learned. But I don't get the flu

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Speaker 1: flu much. But I can always tell though when I'm

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Speaker 1: super achy, like the flu just makes me feel like

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Speaker 1: dog doodoo. Right, Where's the cold? Is just a big inconvenience?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had uh no, I've definitely had like lots

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Speaker 2: of aches and I woke up like shivering one night.

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Speaker 1: I don't see you. I had a fever, for sure,

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Speaker 2: So, I guess it must have just been one night

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Speaker 2: in the middle of the night. So that's that's the flu, right, probably,

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Speaker 2: So I guess I do have the flu. No, no joke, everybody.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm erecting the clear glass in between us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that I've had it long enough now

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Speaker 2: based on the research from this article that I'm not contagious,

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Speaker 1: So did you get it in New York?

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Speaker 2: I wonder, I think so. Yeah, I'm letty New York, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Which I was like, I was just walking walking around

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Speaker 1: Well, that was your problem probably right there, Dwayne Reid.

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Speaker 2: Because I didn't take them off when I ate gross. Yeah. So, yes,

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Speaker 2: we were in New York for some Bellhouse shows, right,

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Speaker 2: those went pretty well?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought they were great.

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Speaker 2: All right, So the flu. We won't reminisce about past victories.

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Speaker 2: We'll just talk about the flu instead.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how about a stat right off the get go? Here?

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Speaker 2: Okay, the flu. And also sorry everybody for the sniffling

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Speaker 2: that we knew inevitably happen. I'm trying hard not to

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Speaker 1: You're a method podcaster, all right, which is also what

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Speaker 1: I said in my very first episode. That's right, remember that. Yep,

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Speaker 1: it's not any funnier now. So the CDC right here

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Speaker 1: in Atlanta Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, not the CDCP.

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Speaker 2: No, they just stuck with the original.

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Speaker 1: Yes, they reckon that. About five to twenty between five

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Speaker 1: percent and twenty percent of United States people's get the

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Speaker 1: five percent in dirty cold Canada.

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Speaker 2: Right, I know. And normally when you get the flu,

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Speaker 2: it's just you're laid up for a couple of days, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And the whole thing, chuck, comes down to this little

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Speaker 1: Are you talking about the influenza de fredo?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it is a respiratory illness. So, like I

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Speaker 1: And I drove no lie, probably about one hundred miles

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Speaker 2: So you made it home. You showed up with poopy

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Speaker 2: And let's let's talk first before we talk about the

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Speaker 2: actual effect of the flu. Let's talk about the virus

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Speaker 2: a little bit. I second, Okay, So back in nineteen

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Speaker 2: started classifying the flu by strains.

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Speaker 1: You got A, B, and C, right, So A is

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I couldn't find much on C influenza either orse C. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Right, Chuck, let's bread yeah a little bit, let's talk symptoms. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So the symptoms sound a lot like a cold because

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Speaker 1: Now. Was he a Sar's guard or a scars Guard?

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Speaker 1: All right, fact this all got started with Stars Guard

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Speaker 1: Severe dehydration is another secondary symptom of the flu. That's why,

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Speaker 1: Emily always gets bad sinus problems along with this stuff.

439
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 2: I know she was starting to get a little Sniffley,

440
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 2: is she sick? She did get sick, that poor lady. Yeah,

441
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 2: New York Man. Yeah, it killed everyone I love.

442
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 1: And then if you like, in Emily's case, she's slightly asthmatic,

443
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 1: But if you are asthmatic, you're like diabetes, it can

444
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 1: make that stuff worse.

445
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, she doesn't have diabetes, right, No, Well, the reason

446
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:48,719
Speaker 2: diabetes is comorbid with the flu or is problematic when

447
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 2: you have with the flu, is because type one diabetes,

448
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 2: especially is an autoimmune disease, So your immune systems already repressed,

449
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 2: I guess yeah, And then heart conditions can be exacerbated

450
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 2: by it because you're getting less oxygen from your lungs

451
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 2: into your bloodstream, which strains the heart. And if it's

452
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 2: already weak, people have heart attacks from the flu if

453
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 2: they already have a heart condition. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, again,

454
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:17,640
Speaker 2: it's a bad jam.

455
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: Well, actually, we in the episode coming up about the

456
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 1: silly one about the ten Cursed movies. Remember the little

457
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 1: girl from Poltergeis died from at twelve from a heart

458
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: attack brought on by the flu.

459
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,880
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, or she had like a stomach blockage.

460
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 2: They initially diagnosed it as the flu.

461
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 1: Oh okay, but I thought it was not never like

462
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 1: a virus like that.

463
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think they mistook it all. Well,

464
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 2: then forget all that, but people do, so your point

465
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 2: still remains correct.

466
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: Okay, So how you get the flu? Is this? Like

467
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: you said, it's generally about November through March. Jane in

468
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: February tend to be the worst of it here in

469
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: the United States, And as we mentioned, offices and schools,

470
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Speaker 1: especially because children are filthy monsters who just don't wash hands,

471
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: and they breathe on each other and touch each other,

472
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 1: and they don't cover their mouths when they call for sneeze.

473
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,360
Speaker 2: But it's pretty cute when they hug each other.

474
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: It's very cute.

475
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 2: Actually, it's worth it's worth all the sickness in the world.

476
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 1: It's pretty great. But that's the reason that kids tend

477
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 1: to spread it more because as much as you try

478
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: and teach them to cover their mouth when they call

479
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,679
Speaker 1: and sneeze and wash their hands a lot, it's just

480
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: not really on their radar like it is for adults.

481
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 2: No, you know, because they are dirty, dirty, dirty creatures.

482
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: And then you know, the kid then in turn brings

483
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: it home and the family gets infected pretty quickly because

484
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: try as you might, there's just a lot of close

485
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 1: contact with kids that you can't avoid. And even if

486
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 1: you're washing your hands, they will find a way to

487
00:25:58,400 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 1: infect you.

488
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 2: Right, And if you go even further back, there's an

489
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 2: even earlier origin before kids picking it up at daycare

490
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 2: or preschool. For the flu, usually it comes from other animals.

491
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 2: We were finding, right, Yes, frequently birds, like we were saying, right,

492
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 2: And they used to think that for a human to

493
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 2: catch a flu from a bird, especially, that flu had

494
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 2: to show up in a mixing vessel. Usually a pig

495
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 2: which was capable of taking it could be infected by

496
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 2: a bird flu and a human flu and flu viruses

497
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 2: have this amazing talent called reassortment, where a flu strain

498
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 2: and another flu strain can get together and be like, oh, hey,

499
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 2: you have eight proteins that make up your RNA. I

500
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 2: do too, Let's mix and match and see what happens.

501
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,120
Speaker 2: And they thought for a long time that this really

502
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 2: only took place in pigs and then out would come

503
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 2: a new super virus that no one had ever seen

504
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 2: before that humans could catch. But from Southeast Asia, people

505
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 2: being in close contact with infected birds, especially like in

506
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 2: the poultry industry or something, there have been cases that

507
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 2: started in the nineties of AVM flu coming directly from

508
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 2: birds to humans, so that that theory went out in

509
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 2: the window. Yeah, and that's what set off those fears

510
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 2: of a bird flu pandemic that we lived with for

511
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 2: many years.

512
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right as far as and you know that

513
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: a lot of that was just spread from bird poop.

514
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it scared people because that those bird flus

515
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 2: are no joke, Like they have like a sixty percent

516
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 2: mortality rate sixty percent. Six out of ten people who

517
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 2: come down with H five N one bird flu die right. Luckily,

518
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 2: it's really really difficult to catch it even when you

519
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 2: are around sick birds. It doesn't very frequently make the

520
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,719
Speaker 2: jump to humans, but it can, is what they what

521
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 2: they found.

522
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, as far as the regular flu, the garden variety

523
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 1: flu that we're talking about mainly here, it spreads from well,

524
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 1: like we said, from touching stuff, from coughing and sneezing.

525
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: When you cough and sneeze, even even if you think

526
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 1: you're covering your mouth pretty well, there may be little

527
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: little fluids squirting out between your fingers up to a

528
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: few feet. It's in the air around you. That stuff

529
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: can travel, you know. So if that lands on a doorknob,

530
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: or if someone covers her mouth like a like a

531
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: normal and then opens a door or borrows a stapler

532
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: or whatever, it's going to be on that door knob

533
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: and then you touch it. And that's why like hand

534
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: washing by the sick and by the non sick is

535
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: so crucial. Yeah.

536
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 2: And if you're like having an anxious day at work

537
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: and you're doing your normal thing of chewing on your

538
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 2: stapler to relieve anxiety and the guy who borrowed it

539
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 2: was sick, your toast.

540
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: You are toast. And as you mentioned earlier, bears repeating

541
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: you can be sick a day before symptoms, and you

542
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: can or you can be contagious a day before symptoms

543
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: and still remain contagious up to seven days after the

544
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: symptoms start. Right, So even if you feel better after

545
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: day four, you could still be spreading that junk around

546
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: for a few more days. Right.

547
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: And they say that even after you feel better, you

548
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 2: should stay in bed an extra day because again, your

549
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 2: immune system is compromised and you are are like, you

550
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 2: can catch other stuff, so you want to be careful.

551
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: That extra day really pays.

552
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: Off, and that's when you just lay in bed and

553
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: watch Stranger Things.

554
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 2: Too, Right, I haven't seen it you? Is it good?

555
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, we just finished it last night.

556
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 2: Cool.

557
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: Did you see the first season? Yeah?

558
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, that was great.

559
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: Season two is just as great, if not better.

560
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 2: Wow. I'm glad to say that too.

561
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: I was a little nervous, you know, because it was

562
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: something I loved and it's like, oh man, it's easy too.

563
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: A lot of pressure.

564
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's how it happens. The sophomore season is

565
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 2: very frequently like everyone's aware of the success of the

566
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: show and what people are saying about and they try

567
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 2: to adapt to the expectations rather than continuing on doing

568
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 2: what they were doing before. But good for you guys.

569
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 2: Stranger things.

570
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: Yeah so great. I want to get those Duffer brothers

571
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: on movie Crush.

572
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it'd be cool.

573
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: Those guys'd be great.

574
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 2: Should we take a break, yeah, I think so.

575
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: All right, we'll come back and talk a little bit

576
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: about pandemics, all.

577
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 2: Right, Chuck. So we were talking about how seasonal flu

578
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 2: has seasons. That's why it's called seasonal flu. Right, That's

579
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 2: that's I guess one classification of flus. There's also a

580
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 2: pandemic flu, and the same kind of flu virus can

581
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 2: be a pandemic flu or a seasonal flu. And I

582
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 2: think usually the way it happens is a new virus

583
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 2: will emerge from say like livestock or poultry or something

584
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 2: like that and infect humans. And if it's totally novel

585
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 2: where no human has ever encountered a flu of this

586
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 2: type before, it can just lay waste to people. It

587
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 2: can kill a lot of people, It can infect a

588
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 2: lot of people that can spread the world. And when

589
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: that happens, it becomes classified as a pandemic flu. After

590
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 2: a couple of rounds around the world, people will have

591
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 2: started to develop an immunity to it, but it'll still

592
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 2: be passed around. And so for the decade or so,

593
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 2: it can be the predominant strain of the flu, but

594
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 2: it'll be it'll have changed over to a seasonal type

595
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: of flu. So it's almost like that the pandemic versus

596
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: seasonal type flu describes how contagious it is and how

597
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 2: virulent it is. I think that's the big distinction.

598
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think also in a pandemic, doesn't that

599
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: mean it is left the country?

600
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that is kind of one of the

601
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 2: indicators of it too.

602
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. Nineteen eighteen, that was These numbers are staggering. This

603
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: is the worst flu pandemic and world history in nineteen

604
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: eighteen for I don't know what months exactly, but nineteen

605
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: eighteen and nineteen and it killed more than twenty million

606
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: people around the world.

607
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 2: And it killed most of those people actually in four

608
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 2: months from September to December.

609
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy? More lives were lost than all twentyth

610
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: century wars combined to the flu.

611
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you said twenty million, twenty.

612
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: Million worldwide, about half a million in the United States.

613
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: I saw in many reputable places fifty million people died

614
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 2: around the world.

615
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: It's just it's staggering.

616
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that was like right at the end of

617
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 2: World War One and just came out of nowhere. And

618
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 2: one of the other really noteworthy things about it that

619
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 2: just baffled people was it was killing like healthy people

620
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 2: under the age of like twenty two, twenty three, twenty four,

621
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 2: like just healthy young people killed by the flu. A

622
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 2: lot of them died from pneumonia. And they finally figured

623
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: out that it was because it had been about twenty

624
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 2: something years since a flu resembling that type of strain

625
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 2: had made the rounds, so people under say, like age

626
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 2: twenty five had never been exposed to it. So it

627
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 2: was a novel flu which just leveled the people it

628
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 2: was exposed to had never never encountered something like it before.

629
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I mean, it's scared to think about. I mean, truly,

630
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: that couldn't happen today, could it? Or could it?

631
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 2: Oh?

632
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sure, man, you think that we could had

633
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: something like that off these days?

634
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 2: Do you know, like a of the population of the

635
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 2: world was infected with that flu that year? Wow, isn't

636
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 2: that crazy?

637
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: I know, that's hard to believe.

638
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that can totally happen. It's a real concern, all right.

639
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: So as far as your risk of getting the flu,

640
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: if you're a kid, like there's different risk groups like

641
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: high risk, low risk, whatever, medium or average risk. But

642
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: if you're under two years old, your little immune system

643
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: isn't quite smart enough yet to know how to fight

644
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 1: things off, so you're definitely more at risk. And as always,

645
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: what affects the children also affect the elderly. So if

646
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 1: you're over sixty five seniors is elderly wrong to say,

647
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: I think elderly?

648
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 2: Technically eighty one? Oh?

649
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,760
Speaker 1: Really? Yeah, all right, so we'll go with seniors.

650
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 2: Seniors, active senior adults who have decades left ahead of them,

651
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 2: that's right.

652
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: Who else, anyone who has any kind of chronic like

653
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,720
Speaker 1: I mentioned asthma or diabetes, any kind of chronic condition,

654
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: if you're pregnant, if you work in a hospital or

655
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: a doctor's office or nursing home.

656
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 2: Nursing home is not just people who work there, but

657
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 2: the residents too are in a really vulnerable position. Because

658
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 2: they are in the elderly age range, their immune systems

659
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 2: are pretty compromised. If they're in a nursing home, they're

660
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 2: probably ill already and then they're living in close quarters

661
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 2: with other people who are ill. That's a that's a

662
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 2: recipe for a disaster.

663
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure is. It's also a recipe for tapioca pudding.

664
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: It is the best around remedy wise. And we'll talk

665
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: about vaccinations here in a minute, because I thought that

666
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: was kind of one of the most interesting parts of this.

667
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: But as far as remedies, if you get the flu,

668
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 1: it's a it's a virus. So you can't take anti biotics. No,

669
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: you can't take a pill that's going to cure you.

670
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: There are some anti viral drugs, which I've never tried

671
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: any of these of you.

672
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 2: No, no, no.

673
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: I tried zycamlast year once. I think that's for colds.

674
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that was like discredited.

675
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I had a few people say, oh,

676
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: you know, you try as I can. It helps not

677
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: cut your cold faster.

678
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 2: Uh.

679
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: It killed my sense of taste and smell. Oh no,

680
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: for several days, to the point where I was scared.

681
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,760
Speaker 2: I don't remember that. I'll bet you were scared.

682
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I looked it up and it's a thing.

683
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 2: Oh I do remember that actually.

684
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:24,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

685
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just really unnerving. The idea of maybe it's permanent.

686
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: Yeah it was. It was pretty pretty freaky, yeah, I'll bet,

687
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: and super noticeable. It wasn't like a subtle thing.

688
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 2: You'd be like chilling, I miss you.

689
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: So that was my experience. I'm not making some sweeping

690
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: statement about that medication.

691
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 2: Way to see amen.

692
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: But there are antiviral drugs called there's one called tama

693
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: flu relenza flumidine a little on the nose if you ask.

694
00:36:54,840 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 2: Me flu stop, Well, any viral they seem like a

695
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 2: good idea, But they seem like a good idea under

696
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: the premise that seasonal flu strains were used to think.

697
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 2: They used to think that they died out at the

698
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 2: end of a season. Right, Well, they started tracking them,

699
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 2: like our global monitoring system is really top notch and

700
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 2: they can track flu around the world, and they've found

701
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 2: that seasonal flu at the end of the season in

702
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 2: North America, it just goes to South America. So since

703
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 2: since that's the case, when you use anti virals and

704
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,919
Speaker 2: you're exposing these flus that go on to survive, you're

705
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 2: also training them evolutionarily speaking, to adapt so that those

706
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 2: antiviral drugs are useless against them. For people who really

707
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 2: need them. So, just like with antibiotics, using anti virals

708
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 2: just to cure a common flu or to shorten a

709
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 2: common flu is probably a bad idea when you're talking

710
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 2: about the whole population.

711
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what they do. They they what they

712
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: try to do is just keep the red cellular spread

713
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: from happening as much as it can. Right, And that's

714
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: sort of the easiest way to say it.

715
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, there's there's one keeps them well to a

716
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 2: pair of them, keep them from replicating, and then another

717
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 2: one traps them inside to sell. Once they enter, it's like,

718
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 2: oh God, I can't get out, the door is locked,

719
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 2: and then death.

720
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: And they're all prescription drugs, right, if I'm not mistaken.

721
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: So vaccines are like pretty hot. They're like the hot

722
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 2: thing to do on a Friday night is to go

723
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 2: get a flu vaccine, right.

724
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't get I didn't get flu shots for many, many,

725
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: many many years until I had a kid.

726
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. And they say like if you especially if you

727
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 2: have a baby under six months of age, they can't

728
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: be vaccinated and so everyone around them should be vaccinated,

729
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 2: is the recommended recommendation from the CDC.

730
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, like our close family, the grain and the abbas

731
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: all and the pop pops and the papas and the

732
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: poupas and the memangs and the momos. Yeah, yeah, Momo

733
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: got a flu shot.

734
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 2: That was nice of her. She's very kind.

735
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, we all got flu shots. And I just

736
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: wasn't you know, I never got the flu much. I'd

737
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 1: never I didn't have a disbelief in the flu vaccine.

738
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: I was just like, yeah, I don't really need to

739
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: bother with that.

740
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of it was fine. Do you get

741
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 2: them now though? Is it a habit of yours now?

742
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: Well? Yeah, now, just they just sort of recommend it.

743
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: When you have kids up up until they're a certain age,

744
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: you should get vaccinated as a family.

745
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 2: Right, And when you have kids, if you get them vaccinated,

746
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,479
Speaker 2: you once they're able to be vaccinated again under six months,

747
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,959
Speaker 2: they say, no, no, no, don't do that. When they're

748
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 2: young though, and you're getting them vaccinated, they need to

749
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 2: be vaccinated twice, like a month apart. Yes, And so

750
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 2: with flu vaccines in general, they recommend that you get

751
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 2: it as early in the season is possible because it

752
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 2: takes about two weeks for that to take effect. So

753
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 2: with a kid, then I guess you would want to

754
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 2: get them, so that six weeks before the flu season,

755
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,720
Speaker 2: I don't know, or there is that second one pretty

756
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 2: much like, okay, now it's taking effect. So is that

757
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 2: four weeks plus two weeks or just.

758
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: I don't remember the schedule. Yeah, I don't remember the schedule.

759
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 2: Well, ask your doctor. Okay, we're not doctors. Stop pressure.

760
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: They'll tell you, like when you go to get your

761
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: little kiddy checkups, they say, you know, come back in

762
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: this month and get your flu shot number one and

763
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: then flu shot number two.

764
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 2: And so for a while there they there were two

765
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 2: kinds of flu shots that the CDC recommended. One was

766
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 2: an actual shot, the flu vaccine that was in a

767
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 2: shot form, yes, and then there was another one that's

768
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 2: called live attenuated influenza virus, which came in the form

769
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 2: of a nasal spray, and that was usually recommended for kids.

770
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,720
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's because kids still like needles

771
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 2: or what, but the CDC is officially stopped recommending nasal

772
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 2: flu vaccines. Yeah, don't do those right.

773
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: Well, And when they were doing it, when we say kids,

774
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: you had to be over five because it was a

775
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: like you said, a live a live virus.

776
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 2: Right, it was a live, weakened virus.

777
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's different. Like if you think, all right,

778
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a flu shot, so that means I'm

779
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: going to get the flu virus shot into me, and

780
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: so I might feel like I have the flu. That's

781
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: not really the case. It's it's really kind of neat

782
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: how they do it. These these scientists and doctors, like

783
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: you said, track what's going on in the world of

784
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: flu all over the world, and they they sort of

785
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: make up normal. They don't sort of. They very definitely

786
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: make a prediction and say, here's the flu strain specific

787
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: to the United States. Let's say that I think we're

788
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: going to be faced with this year, and they make

789
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: their best side scientific guests possible, and that is, you

790
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: get a not live version of that virus injected into

791
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: your body. Your body sees, hey, foreign invaders here, let

792
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: me produce antibodies. Then if that virus or if the

793
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: real flu knocks on your door later that winter, your

794
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: body says, wait, I've met you before, I know how

795
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: to fight you.

796
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's pretty cool.

797
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: And it literally the effectiveness. I looked up this year

798
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 1: and it's a year to year thing. It's forty to

799
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: sixty percent on this year's strain, and it varies because

800
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: it really just depends on how well those scientists have

801
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: predicted how much they get it.

802
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 2: Right right, because if they get all three wrong, well

803
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 2: then you're toast when you encounter the flu that's going

804
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 2: around that season's right, it's introducing. But even when they

805
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 2: do get it right, it's kind of baffling that sometimes

806
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 2: the flu vaccine just doesn't bestow any kind of immunity. Yeah,

807
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 2: apparently Australia just came out out of a really bad

808
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 2: epidemic flu season down there, and what didn't cause a

809
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 2: lot of deaths, but everybody was sick with the flu.

810
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: It was an H three type flu that went around.

811
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 2: And even though that strain showed up in the vaccine

812
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 2: that was given out, only like fifteen percent of people

813
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 2: who got vaccinated and were exposed to the flu were

814
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 2: immune to it. Like eighty five percent of people who

815
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 2: got flu vaccines and then encountered the flu still got sick.

816
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 2: That's a pretty bad track record for a flu vaccine,

817
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 2: and they're they're just not sure why. And one of

818
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 2: the theories is so when they make flu vaccines they

819
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 2: grow them in egg protein typically like hats eggs. That's

820
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 2: the medium they use actually grow the viruses that they

821
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 2: then kill. One researcher pointed out that at least one

822
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 2: kind of flu virus mutates in the presence of egg protein,

823
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 2: so that the virus that you put in to grow

824
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,439
Speaker 2: in there is different from the one that comes out.

825
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 2: It's a mutated version, and so maybe that would would

826
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 2: prevent your body from recognizing the original one that you

827
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 2: were trying to introduce it to in the vaccine. So interesting,

828
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 2: it is pretty interesting.

829
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: Well, and they say there's a list of people who

830
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 1: should not receive the flu shot, and one of the

831
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: one of those qualifications is if you are allergic to

832
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,760
Speaker 1: chicken eggs, then you shouldn't get a flu shot.

833
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's like a couple of other ways that they

834
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 2: make flu shots flu vaccines, but that chicken egg is

835
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 2: the most predominant way to do it.

836
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're currently have a fever weight on your

837
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 1: flu shot under six months, of course, we said you

838
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: cannot if you have had flu shots in the past

839
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: and you had a bad reaction, because like I said,

840
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: it's not going to make you sick, but you might

841
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: feel a little achy or have sore muscles or something,

842
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: but you can't have a bad reaction. And if that's

843
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: the case, then maybe flu shots aren't for you, right.

844
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 2: And if you're an anti vaxxer, then you probably are

845
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 2: decided that flu shots aren't for you, correct, which we

846
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 2: will never do an episode on that.

847
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: On vaccinations, right. Oh, you don't think.

848
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 2: So, I don't know, man. So the idea that a

849
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 2: flu vaccine can, you know, check all the boxes but

850
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 2: still just be wrong, wrong, wrong, or not confer immunity

851
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 2: has some people looking for a universal vaccine or one

852
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 2: that lasts way longer than just a year. What they're

853
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 2: targeting is, so when you get a normal vaccine, that

854
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 2: vaccine is based on that HA protein, the hema gluten. Yeah,

855
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 2: and that's the most quickly evolving part of any flu virus. Right.

856
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 2: So they're saying, well, let's look at other parts of

857
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 2: the flu virus that don't evolve nearly as quickly and

858
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 2: target that. And some of those parts are even basically

859
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 2: universal among all flu viruses. So if you can find

860
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 2: if you can create a vaccine based on a stable

861
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 2: part of a flu virus that's a part of every

862
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:09,479
Speaker 2: flu virus. One vaccine could confer ideally lifelong immunity from

863
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 2: all influenza for anybody who takes the vaccine.

864
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: One vaccine to cure them all exactly. Wow.

865
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you got anything else?

866
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: No? I mean, I guess we're not going to cover

867
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: the boogie Wigi Flu.

868
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 2: I thought that was boogie woogy fever.

869
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: No, it's the rock and pneumonia the boogie wigy flu.

870
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 2: Oh that's nice. What's that from? Is that an Atlanta

871
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 2: Rhythm Section song?

872
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: No, they're better than that.

873
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 2: Okay, Uh, well, since I said Atlanta Rhythm Section everybody,

874
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 2: that means it's time for a listener mail.

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Speaker 1: Uh. Yeah. This is a Simpson's Overlooked overlook Simpsons bet

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Speaker 1: from us. And this is not one of those We

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Speaker 1: got plenty of things where people like, hell, could you

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Speaker 1: not have mentioned this quote or this episode? But the

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Speaker 1: response was good. Then people weren't necessarily poopooing it.

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Speaker 2: No. And also I want to say thank you to

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Speaker 2: everybody who wrote in to just say congratulations or to

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Speaker 2: thank us. That was all. Every single one of those

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Speaker 2: emails or tweets or posts were all well received. So

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Speaker 2: thanks for those guys.

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Speaker 1: Totally, But this is something we failed to mention, which

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Speaker 1: definitely deserves its own email. And this is from rich

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Speaker 1: our Man on Cape cod As. He says, Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: was listening to The Simpsons two parter. Enjoyed it very much.

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Speaker 1: You explained how an episode came to be, from conception

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Speaker 1: to animation, etc. And you paid respect to each portion.

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Speaker 1: But then you slide it off one of the most

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Speaker 1: important men in the franchise, you just said, and then

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Speaker 1: they slapped Danny Elfman's score on it and it's done well.

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Speaker 1: Is any true Simpsons officionado would know? Danny Elfman has

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Speaker 1: never once written a score to The Simpsons. He wrote,

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Speaker 1: as we know, just the title or the theme song.

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Speaker 1: So he says that job fell to the immensely talented

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Speaker 1: and recently terminated via email, Alf Clawson. For twenty seven years,

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Speaker 1: every score, every queue, every song was composed, orchestrated and

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Speaker 1: conducted by Clawson and his live orchestra. He's won two

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Speaker 1: Emmys and seven Annie Awards for his work. The reason

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Speaker 1: this is such a painful sight it was because this

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Speaker 1: omission has been happening for years. Clawson has worked insane

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Speaker 1: hours writing music for a live orchestra to accompany an

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Speaker 1: animated show. He's always played second fiddle. Nailed it, he

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Speaker 1: said to all those who think Elfman is any part

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Speaker 1: of the show, after he pinned the main title. In fact,

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Speaker 1: the main title theme song We All Know and Love

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Speaker 1: is actually Clawson's re orchestration of Elfman's theme that took

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Speaker 1: place mid season three with a lusher, more crisp orchestration. Wow,

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Speaker 1: I bet you anything, Rich plays the obo.

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Speaker 2: Alf Clawson. I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 1: I know, he said. I myer your podcast for being

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Speaker 1: light to information that has been stuck lurking in the shadows.

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Speaker 1: You always make sure a credit is given to those

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Speaker 1: who sometimes went their entire lives without getting the nod

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Speaker 1: they deserve.

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Speaker 2: Well, this guy's really turning the knife in our back,

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Speaker 2: saysn't he.

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Speaker 1: And I feel you, oh Clawson, that respect. So Alf

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Speaker 1: clawsan for real. And then it was a bit of

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Speaker 1: a longer email. He told the story of how he

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Speaker 1: was recently fired by email, which is not cool.

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Speaker 2: No, it's definitely not Yeah. So twenty seven years yeah,

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Speaker 2: of dedicated work.

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Speaker 1: No man, not cool, guys, So that is a rich

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Speaker 1: our Man on Cape cod.

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Speaker 2: Well, thanks a lot, Rich appreciate that that was one

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Speaker 2: of the better emails I've heard in a while.

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Speaker 1: I agreed.

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Speaker 2: If you want to try and top Rich, let's see

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Speaker 2: what you got. You send us an email, stuff podcast

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Speaker 2: at houstuffworks dot com and join us at our home

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Speaker 2: on the web. Stuff you Should Know dot Com.

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