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Speaker 1: mustand Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL
Speaker 1: Podcast presented by Sirius x M. My name is Dan
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Speaker 1: that's all I ever hear about on Twitter. The history
Speaker 1: has been very rich there. Huh. You just Colleen, you
Speaker 1: just got back from a world wind tour across the
Speaker 1: NFL landscape, and I saw I was following your Twitter
Speaker 1: and your social media. Just great work as always moving
Speaker 1: the needle of your brand. But you you you pointed
Speaker 1: out that a lot of a t N listeners will
Speaker 1: give you little shout outs that are in the code
Speaker 1: of our show. Yes, it's one of my favorite things. Ever.
Speaker 1: Whenever I'm out in the field, whether it's for Thursday
Speaker 1: Night or it happened a bunch at the Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame at training camps, I'll here Katty Fox, or who's
Speaker 1: John Gonzalez? Or like any any numbers like our version
Speaker 1: of like bob Ba Booie. It's like our code. What
Speaker 1: would you say? The demographic of these shoutouts are? What
Speaker 1: are they? What's type of person they're coming from? Demographic
Speaker 1: range wise, it's usually, um, it's usually white males. But
Speaker 1: I love them. It's like I text, it's like our
Speaker 1: secret hand. You ever get strange looks from people you're
Speaker 1: with when they yell like a tiny box? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: get tiny box a lot too. You need to get
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Speaker 1: me laugh the most though, And that wouldn't be the
Speaker 1: weirdest thing that's happened to you on Inside Training Camp tone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is very true. Um, And let it be known
Speaker 1: that even though it is, it seems to be an
Speaker 1: eighteen to thirty four white male demographic. One of the
Speaker 1: things we're proud of. We're all over the spectrum. Well
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Speaker 1: proud of it. I know you are. How do you
Speaker 1: mean we? What do you mean? I mean we? The show?
Speaker 1: I think our show collectively, all of us, all across
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Speaker 1: Unless you have individually, you have issues. No, I thought
Speaker 1: you meant like the four real weird, real quick. I
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Speaker 1: then I know anyone had been to and me lately,
Speaker 1: I love all the listeners. Oh now we're fully covering.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Colleen. Well, welcome back, Connie. It's been it's
Speaker 1: been a minute, and you picked a great show to
Speaker 1: come back, because a full house and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: big news and we're gonna get to it in a
Speaker 1: little bit around jadeveon Clowney and uh John McClain over
Speaker 1: at the Houston Chronicle reporting that he wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 1: of it. A trade goes down involving Clowney imminently. Perhaps, Well,
Speaker 1: let's throw out some juicy trade scenarios ahead of the
Speaker 1: regular season, and let it be known that this isn't
Speaker 1: July anymore. This isn't you know, this isn't our June
Speaker 1: fourteenth show. There's none of this fancy boy stuff where
Speaker 1: we're whimsical and just thrown out. Oh yeah, Bret fab
Speaker 1: returns to football and then bart Stars is best friend,
Speaker 1: but they both go to the jots and all this stuff. No, no,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be real trade. That's fired real, I think. So. No,
Speaker 1: don't read into it. There's too much reading into things.
Speaker 1: Right now, It's going to be real trades that could
Speaker 1: affect teams in a positive way. In twenty nineteen, this
Speaker 1: exercise ruined my entire morning. I sat, and I sat
Speaker 1: and stressed out about this and talked myself in and
Speaker 1: out of every trade. So I think I'm gonna accomplish
Speaker 1: I mean, just as like it's hard to be right
Speaker 1: as a basis of comparison, something as simple as this,
Speaker 1: like as as a way to compare, like what was
Speaker 1: your morning yesterday? Like like to walk us through nine
Speaker 1: to thirty yesterday yesterday. You can share with us. I
Speaker 1: worked out yesterday, I made coffee. I just chilled. It's
Speaker 1: a very nice morning. Colleen used to be Ken Griffy Jr.
Speaker 1: Proud of the fact that she had never worked out
Speaker 1: a day in her life, and now all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: she's working out. The grind is really I know what's happening,
Speaker 1: and it has to so I need to get back
Speaker 1: to traveling on the road because otherwise, when I'm at home,
Speaker 1: I just eat. I just eat all day long and gain.
Speaker 1: So guys can't say it, Colleen, but your arms are
Speaker 1: looking great. It's it's working, its waking. I don't don't
Speaker 1: comment on her, don't even look at her, don't even
Speaker 1: look at but Colleen, your arms are looking good. You know.
Speaker 1: We should do just he's trying to match Gonzo. We
Speaker 1: should put on like the Glinds, you know, like the
Speaker 1: horse blinders. Yeah, totally covered. Showill go on forever. All right, good,
Speaker 1: very weird show so far. All right, let's um so juicy.
Speaker 1: Trade scenarios coming up, uh, realistic ones that that would
Speaker 1: if it happened, if it came across on t A. Wow,
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Build a trade. That's what you've named it, right, sure,
Speaker 1: like build a bear except for clowning. Write that down.
Speaker 1: Build a trade and I will take credit for it,
Speaker 1: Thank you us. And then we'll hit a little hard
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Speaker 1: All right, let's get to it. More uncertainty around the
Speaker 1: Indian Aple Colts and their superstar quarterback Tuesday evening, coach
Speaker 1: general manager Chris Ballard told reporters on a conference that's
Speaker 1: your favorite type of frogs. And he didn't say that,
Speaker 1: but he did say that the medical staff and training
Speaker 1: staff believe that calf lux calf strain has become something more.
Speaker 1: Let's hear a little bit of Ballad during the conference
Speaker 1: call with reporters last night. He's been dealing with a
Speaker 1: calf injury, and you know, all in in March through
Speaker 1: camp he was dealing with a calf and in the
Speaker 1: little area below which calf, which Andrew kind of referred
Speaker 1: to as a lower leg where he was feeling some
Speaker 1: pain kind of almost in the ankle area. Um, the
Speaker 1: Andrew wasn't getting better better and he had been practicing,
Speaker 1: so in the course of dealing with this calf injury,
Speaker 1: it appears that now we've got we've got an ankle issue,
Speaker 1: all right, and on the same day, and this happens
Speaker 1: with the Colts. Not many franchises this type of stuff happens,
Speaker 1: but Jim murs say the Colts owner. He went on
Speaker 1: a separate Uh. He went on a radio show Sirius XM,
Speaker 1: and he shared his thoughts and details on Angel Luck situation.
Speaker 1: I really feel, you know, very confident that he's gonna,
Speaker 1: you know, find his way through this thing. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, as a durant thing and everything. Everyone's here
Speaker 1: on the side of caution, but quite frankly, this is
Speaker 1: not even in the Achilles tendon um. So Ursa went
Speaker 1: on to say that, uh, he couldn't be more excited
Speaker 1: about the season Luck uh, and he've used it as
Speaker 1: a tweak. But at the same time, Greg, here we
Speaker 1: are now three weeks out from the regular season. You're
Speaker 1: not going to see him during the preseason, and now
Speaker 1: it becomes a very real chance that it is indeed
Speaker 1: Jake Briskets starting week one for the cults, not good
Speaker 1: slice of Jake break. Hopefully them admitting their mistake and
Speaker 1: properly treating the injury solves it and it's just an
Speaker 1: ankle sprain that and he's back. Whether it's week one,
Speaker 1: week re whatever, it's a pretty big deal. I think
Speaker 1: for the general manager to say we completely which is
Speaker 1: how I read into what they said We completely mismanaged
Speaker 1: his situation, We misdiagnosed it, we didn't even check. You
Speaker 1: know that it could be an ankle problem too, And
Speaker 1: and here we are three and a half months later
Speaker 1: from something that they said at the time was going
Speaker 1: to be a one week injury. And maybe that all
Speaker 1: solves it. I mean, I don't know who knows. I
Speaker 1: think they'd be fine with Jacoby Brissette though for a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, if that's all it is that they
Speaker 1: that they feel like they need to be safe with
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck, like get him back before you put him
Speaker 1: on the field. I just feel like any time now
Speaker 1: I hear anything with Andrew Luck, I don't know who
Speaker 1: to believe. I don't know what to believe after everything
Speaker 1: that happened with his shoulder. And Dollard has a really
Speaker 1: good track record of being pretty forth right. And the
Speaker 1: reason I totally believe him here is because you didn't
Speaker 1: have to read between the lines to see that they
Speaker 1: were saying like, we have botched this, and you don't
Speaker 1: hear teams really admit that too often that basically it's
Speaker 1: though he did I mean that saying that they literally
Speaker 1: never even checked for this. Other injury that he's apparently
Speaker 1: had now for multiple months. I mean that's saying they
Speaker 1: miss diagnosed it. He admitted that I appreciate all the
Speaker 1: listeners who sent me uh pea scale tweets, especially the
Speaker 1: Ralph Wigham give where it's just pea slowly spreading across.
Speaker 1: So is it is it there? Now? Say West that
Speaker 1: we could soundless iron the Andrew Luck alarm lie, uh
Speaker 1: siren is off and you're concerned about the superstar quarterback.
Speaker 1: I'm taking a big old l on this one. And um,
Speaker 1: to quote a iconic movie character from the nineties, I
Speaker 1: think we understand that there's some sort of an alert
Speaker 1: in the area. New ship come to light man. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's it's yes. That is absolutely true. Also think it's striking.
Speaker 1: From the beginning, my stance on this was informed by
Speaker 1: the notion that injury he's in August are treated so
Speaker 1: much differently than injuries in October, that this guy had
Speaker 1: three and a half weeks to get ready for the
Speaker 1: regular season, and if this happened in the regular season,
Speaker 1: he'd be playing through it and might be slightly compromised.
Speaker 1: But we get so alarmist in August, as opposed to
Speaker 1: October or November. That's what they say, though, Like, I
Speaker 1: don't believe that he would have been playing through it
Speaker 1: if it's if it's body been bothering him for three
Speaker 1: and a half months. I can't think of like having
Speaker 1: been to the combine where Andrew luck was like down
Speaker 1: on the field throwing. He was one of the biggest
Speaker 1: human beings I've ever seen a quarterback. I mean, like
Speaker 1: Cam Newton plus type gigantic dude. But it does it
Speaker 1: just goes to show that what's happening inside these massive
Speaker 1: frames is totally different. I mean, he's dealt with more
Speaker 1: than you ever would have expected over the past three years.
Speaker 1: And having Jacoby pursat isn't a bad thing for them
Speaker 1: because when you think back to when we saw him last,
Speaker 1: he was playing behind that awful offensive line and running game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they've changed a lot of pieces around him, so he
Speaker 1: should be even better if he does have to play.
Speaker 1: I think this is like playing like he on. He
Speaker 1: could get the Nick Foles treatment, where you play two
Speaker 1: to three games under Frank Reich in a nice situation
Speaker 1: and you put up some nice numbers and Jacoby Brissetts
Speaker 1: a free agent next year, and this two to three
Speaker 1: game period. If if, if that happened, could get him paid.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's gonna be so influential to whatever his
Speaker 1: values next year. We are we are also working under
Speaker 1: a hazy timeline here. That the assumption that, oh, it
Speaker 1: will be fine in two to three weeks. We haven't
Speaker 1: ever thought that two to three weeks ago, and two
Speaker 1: to three weeks before that, and two to three weeks
Speaker 1: before that. It's it's a frightening injury. It's worth noting
Speaker 1: that Ballard told Perez Taylor, former chief speed writer, um
Speaker 1: that present is much improved over where he was two
Speaker 1: years ago, outside of everything surrounding him. That he has
Speaker 1: revamped his mechanics and he's played so much more confidently
Speaker 1: and he sees the field better than he did when
Speaker 1: we last saw him. All Right, who's computers on mine?
Speaker 1: I'm just taking l Let's move on. Let's move on,
Speaker 1: but stay in the a f C South and talk
Speaker 1: about Oh, this is saucy John McClain. As I said earlier,
Speaker 1: he's been there forever Baylor grad. Uh, he's been there
Speaker 1: since The Love You Blue Years. I Love Love You
Speaker 1: Blue Years. Houston Chronicle mainstag John McClain um and a
Speaker 1: very entertaining Twitter account but also got it's plugged in,
Speaker 1: been there forever. And he put out a tweet yesterday
Speaker 1: that he would be surprised if Jadavean Clowney, the star linebacker,
Speaker 1: was not traded by the Texans. This is Clowney's he's
Speaker 1: on the franchise tag and um the idea of the
Speaker 1: Texans giving him a long term deal. He's been a
Speaker 1: very good player for them, but also has had injury issues,
Speaker 1: so Houston has hesitated in that realm. And now the
Speaker 1: idea that he could be moved Colleen before the start
Speaker 1: of Now what's going on? West? It's I caught it
Speaker 1: on one ring leaving also in West's personal space here too.
Speaker 1: We have five people here today. If you just want
Speaker 1: to leave that, I'm having more fun than I've had
Speaker 1: a long time. Greg. So anyway, So Clowney, the idea
Speaker 1: that he could be traded Colleen, perhaps even before week one,
Speaker 1: that is a pretty wild thought. Do you think it's
Speaker 1: it's even possible or just chat. This would be such
Speaker 1: a hard trade to pull off, just because of the
Speaker 1: timing right now in the league year, and the timing
Speaker 1: because of his whole deal because they passed that July
Speaker 1: fifteen deadline. Any team that gets him is essentially getting
Speaker 1: him for a one year rental because they aren't able
Speaker 1: to do a long term extension until the end of
Speaker 1: the season, and a lot of teams already have their
Speaker 1: guys in place. So I don't even know what kind
Speaker 1: of compensation you could get for him right now, because
Speaker 1: he's obviously a former number one overall pick and he
Speaker 1: is so talented, but I think his his kind of
Speaker 1: his cloud and everything is diminished because of the way
Speaker 1: that the Texans have handled this and the fact that
Speaker 1: the Texans don't even have a GM right now. Well,
Speaker 1: let me push back on that a little bit, because
Speaker 1: there is there is this idea because you can't negotiate
Speaker 1: a long term deal if you trade for him. It's
Speaker 1: not like when the Niners got DeFord from the Chiefs
Speaker 1: on the franchise, tagg and Game the big contract. It
Speaker 1: is different, but you still do You still have the
Speaker 1: window before free agency with him, and Greg correct me
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. You're good at these matters. You do
Speaker 1: get draft pick compensation if he ends up leaving and
Speaker 1: going to another team, So you could still get something
Speaker 1: out of it as long as you don't give up.
Speaker 1: If your disciplined, that it applies to your compensatory pick formula,
Speaker 1: and assuming Clowney is plays like you did before, that
Speaker 1: would be a third round pick. But then you have
Speaker 1: to be a franchise that's all in on that. That's
Speaker 1: discipline and not signing another free agents, because how the
Speaker 1: formula works is if you sign another big free agent
Speaker 1: or two, that wipes out losing Connie. But you're right,
Speaker 1: a team could theoretically give up a third round pick
Speaker 1: and get a third round pick compensatory and basically you
Speaker 1: got climbing round pick though for him, let may push
Speaker 1: back on your pushback or a second round you talk
Speaker 1: about this window, I believe that you are not even
Speaker 1: allowed to negotiate with him until March. And if you're
Speaker 1: going to keep jadav and Clowney off the open market
Speaker 1: after he just took the risk of playing on the
Speaker 1: franchise tag, you're gonna have to make him the highest
Speaker 1: paid defensive player in NFL history to keep him off
Speaker 1: the market. What surprised me about the idea that the
Speaker 1: that it's surprising that he would not be shopped by
Speaker 1: the beginning of the season. Is that who and and
Speaker 1: why and like it needs there to me the Texans,
Speaker 1: it's bad team management. And they have no jam right
Speaker 1: now to let him go because they can gain back
Speaker 1: almost a million dollars in salary cap credit from his
Speaker 1: salary every week that he doesn't play, and they have
Speaker 1: a hundred and ten millions of dollars of salary cap
Speaker 1: room next offseason. And there's literally nothing to be gained
Speaker 1: by trading him to another a f C team for instance,
Speaker 1: getting probably at the lowest max trade value head right now,
Speaker 1: this is the worst time to trade. I think trading
Speaker 1: for a draft pick doesn't make sense, assuming you can't
Speaker 1: get better than a second But I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think there's a way to argue that actually I would
Speaker 1: pay a second round rush for a thing. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: if you're getting a player for player trade, why not
Speaker 1: like Trent And we'll talk about potential trades later. But
Speaker 1: guys like you know, Trent Williams is everyone's guessing as
Speaker 1: a But here's what's weird that ever happened. Then then
Speaker 1: that makes some sense. But you're right, because O'Brien took
Speaker 1: over as the gym. Everyone's saying they don't have a gym.
Speaker 1: I mean, Bill O'Brien has been the most powerful guy
Speaker 1: in that organization for years. He's running the team. Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick runs his team, Pete Carroll runs his team. Yes,
Speaker 1: they have a personnel department. But Bill O'Brien, if nothing
Speaker 1: else is should be it should be easier for him
Speaker 1: to make a trade than than if he had a GM.
Speaker 1: But also Clowney gets the last word and all of this.
Speaker 1: If he is supposed to be traded to a team
Speaker 1: that he doesn't want to go to, he doesn't have
Speaker 1: to go because he has to sign his tender first
Speaker 1: before he can be traded. Well, he wants to play.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone, including Clownees camp, has made any
Speaker 1: overture is that he'd skip any work at all the
Speaker 1: ideas that he wants to play football. He wants to
Speaker 1: make Yeah, to make sixteen million dollars. Does this feel
Speaker 1: like Bill O'Brien the coach battling with Bill O'Brien the
Speaker 1: trying to learn how to be a GM at the
Speaker 1: same time, because it to me, it feels like the
Speaker 1: coach has been Bill O'Brien has sounded a little annoyed
Speaker 1: with Clowney for a long period, and you understand why.
Speaker 1: But trying to play the hat of the front office,
Speaker 1: you've got to take the coaching steff sometimes and say
Speaker 1: it's not smart to do this, there's another way around this,
Speaker 1: and who's giving him the pushback appear? I think you're
Speaker 1: right that he probably doesn't see Clowney as a guy
Speaker 1: that they're gonna sign long term. That's been made clear.
Speaker 1: They have told jadeveon Clowney in so many words this offseason,
Speaker 1: we don't believe in you as a long term part
Speaker 1: of our team, or else they would have signed him
Speaker 1: to a contract like they haven't, given that there's been
Speaker 1: no negotiations, they already are at that point. So the
Speaker 1: thing I don't get is why is this coming up
Speaker 1: so late? Like like like Colleen said, like O'Brien took over
Speaker 1: for Gain in early June, so even that was a
Speaker 1: month and a half before this deadline. That the timing
Speaker 1: of it is very strange to me. The one thing
Speaker 1: on Trent Williams, John McClain also reported that the Texans
Speaker 1: are not interested in Trent Williams. That he would not
Speaker 1: that would be just like going back to Dwayne Brown
Speaker 1: and over thirty tackle with some injury issues, who wants
Speaker 1: a huge contract by any sources there, Although the thing
Speaker 1: where this is fun is, you know, I did ask
Speaker 1: around for the people that know better than us, the
Speaker 1: real insiders, and there seems to be something there that
Speaker 1: they think. They think this is this thing. I think
Speaker 1: the thing is going to happen that the Texans wanted
Speaker 1: to happen. There has I don't know about that, but
Speaker 1: they think that the reason this is popping up now
Speaker 1: is because it seems like the Texans and like it's
Speaker 1: people believe though I think if the Texans do it,
Speaker 1: I want to do it. I don't. It doesn't somebody
Speaker 1: will do business. I agree, you just have to find
Speaker 1: one person to do it. But it's not a wide
Speaker 1: spectrum of teams that are gonna be chasing. And it
Speaker 1: should be said before we move on, because we gotta
Speaker 1: move on that our own Ian Rapp report reported UH
Speaker 1: somewhat recently. The belief UH is that Clowny will report
Speaker 1: to the Texans after the third preseason game, even though
Speaker 1: O'Brien himself is quoted as saying he has no idea
Speaker 1: when Clowny will report to camp, So we're not hearing
Speaker 1: any you know, hardball talk about him sitting out of season,
Speaker 1: pulling a leave Bell or Zeke Elliott or Melvin Gorn
Speaker 1: at this point, all right, let's move on. The New
Speaker 1: York Giants got bad news, but bad news that it
Speaker 1: was expected. Golden Tate lost the appeal of his four
Speaker 1: four game suspension. Uh Tate, you may remember, was banned
Speaker 1: after taking a fertility substance that is not you're not
Speaker 1: allowed to take it, can't do it. And he tried
Speaker 1: to report himself as an NFL player. He tried to
Speaker 1: report himself ahead of it, try to get ahead of it,
Speaker 1: but it didn't matter. So you also have again Sterling
Speaker 1: Shepherd with a broken thumb uma. He's been back, he's
Speaker 1: been practicing weirdly with like a splint on his though.
Speaker 1: That seems weird. But Evan Ingram's the only hell the
Speaker 1: guy in that receiving chords that you could really count
Speaker 1: on right now. That week what they're playing the Cowboys
Speaker 1: in Week one, Right, the Zeke Elliott thing is getting
Speaker 1: weirder and weirder in terms of whether he'll be there
Speaker 1: for Week one. That game could have a different feel
Speaker 1: to it. If some of this stuff doesn't shake out
Speaker 1: and other nets rowing Joe by the way, we don't
Speaker 1: even have to look at the maybe they already made
Speaker 1: the accent. That's a choice. Speaking which mark I read today.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw this Week one, Tony Romo.
Speaker 1: I did see that what the other lineup is out there,
Speaker 1: but it kind of threw me that that any game
Speaker 1: involving the Titans would have gotten Week one Romo. I
Speaker 1: don't care if they're playing well CBS. I think you
Speaker 1: know CBS as the Giants Cowboys late, so they're picking
Speaker 1: their one o'clock game. That's kind of their spot to
Speaker 1: be the well I welcome it, but it just, you know,
Speaker 1: please handle your business, embrace The reason why they picked
Speaker 1: it is because the Browns are a marquee team that
Speaker 1: people want to watch. I know, but you are enjoying
Speaker 1: every bit of this. I just as an Eagles fan calling.
Speaker 1: You have to understand that, like you're just there's a
Speaker 1: little bit of your team is set fascinating. It's they're
Speaker 1: trying to make the Titans interesting. Wow. Week one, what
Speaker 1: happens if you lose at home? No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you can't let your mind go there. I don't control
Speaker 1: enjoy the road a long time. You could also never
Speaker 1: happens by into your quarterbacks. Malarchy about now everyone's rooting
Speaker 1: against us? That story that was out there, Let's show
Speaker 1: me the lie on that one. Oh come on please
Speaker 1: quote was because of the hype. The hype is real.
Speaker 1: Showing me the lie there there is it said that
Speaker 1: people now are are rooting for them to fail. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, that Patriot say nobody believes in us? You
Speaker 1: feel that market For every NFL analysts who has made
Speaker 1: that point this off season, I'd be a rich man.
Speaker 1: It's difference between being an NFL analyst and finding things.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question. If people rooting against it,
Speaker 1: if they go one in five, tell me that the
Speaker 1: brushback won't be totally. But that's how everybody's going to
Speaker 1: point to the hype fans and media of the Browns,
Speaker 1: and no team has gotten more like But I think
Speaker 1: maybe Baker I didn't read the entire two sides he's
Speaker 1: talking about. Within the league, I think that's true. I
Speaker 1: think other teams are like, give me a break on
Speaker 1: the Browns, Like, here's their problems. This is a team
Speaker 1: that's won seven games next year, and they don't like
Speaker 1: the hype by that let's jump into the fish tank.
Speaker 1: Let's you know, let's jump in. Okay, it's gotta be
Speaker 1: ready for the fish tank. This is not good. This
Speaker 1: is not good. Kenyan Drake one of the most important players,
Speaker 1: uh for the Dolphins. He's he's in a boot and
Speaker 1: uh he's got a foot injury. And Dolphins coach Brian
Speaker 1: Floor is acknowledged that Drake's injury it's gonna take a
Speaker 1: quote while to heal. They hope he'll be ready for
Speaker 1: week one, but as of today, Wednesday, he's walking around
Speaker 1: in that boot. And we again, now we're getting close
Speaker 1: three you know, three weeks away. When you're starting running
Speaker 1: back is in a Bootmark, that's a problem. I like
Speaker 1: killing Balage the backup, and I don't even know if
Speaker 1: call him back up. I mean, there's a bit of
Speaker 1: a time share. But if you look at and it's
Speaker 1: just one preseason game, Drake dominated the first team reps.
Speaker 1: I'd want to see the second, third, and fourth before
Speaker 1: we jump into that whole conversation. But you've got two
Speaker 1: good running backs. Drake, I think, is someone that's just
Speaker 1: been most people probably if you had him on fantasy like,
Speaker 1: why was he not used a lot more under Adam
Speaker 1: Gaze or was he used in confusing ways? It's this
Speaker 1: only adds to the conflict. If it wasn't for Drake,
Speaker 1: the Miami miracle would have never happened. The miracle in Miami,
Speaker 1: not even in the books. I thought he might be
Speaker 1: a trade candidate, if not this month and during the season,
Speaker 1: because he's in the last year of his contract and
Speaker 1: just feels like and I think teams would be in
Speaker 1: want you want to build her own. Well, they don't
Speaker 1: seem to like him as much as other people up
Speaker 1: a career year though, I'm like, we know what the
Speaker 1: new coaching staff thinks entirely, but Gaze used him in
Speaker 1: a very weird way. I thought that's fair. Let's stay
Speaker 1: in the tank. Cameron Wolf he's a reporter for ESPN. No,
Speaker 1: Unfortunately Wolves stick together. Wolf Pack. Yeah, wolf Pack would
Speaker 1: have been better than wolf Nation just like, hey, Wolf's
Speaker 1: made for Like that's kind of just my family, the
Speaker 1: wolf Pack. But Josh Rosen has been getting quote true
Speaker 1: starter burn this week. Uh, Greg, you've covered the league
Speaker 1: for many, many years now, Please illuminate the audience. What
Speaker 1: does it mean to get true starter burn. I think
Speaker 1: it's misleading because all he's doing is getting some reps
Speaker 1: with the first team, but less reps even than Ryan Fitzpatrick. Like,
Speaker 1: this hasn't been a situation where they've even given him
Speaker 1: a taste of it. They've treated him like a like
Speaker 1: a backup, like a true backup that doesn't even get
Speaker 1: a single snap with the first team all of camp,
Speaker 1: and now they give him like a little bit because
Speaker 1: this is the week to do it. It's the second
Speaker 1: preseason week. If there's any time he's going to get
Speaker 1: with the starters, this is it. In the second preseason game,
Speaker 1: you start Fitzpatrick for you know, a couple of series.
Speaker 1: Rosen gets his chance with the starters, and after that
Speaker 1: it's all Fitzpatrick. They've given him no run even in
Speaker 1: these practices, it's supposedly mostly Fitzpatrick. They I don't think
Speaker 1: they have any interest in starting Josh Rose in Week one.
Speaker 1: But how about this what they've shown. How don't we
Speaker 1: separate the football analysis of the Dolphins with just the
Speaker 1: parlance of the NFL. Please give us breakdown Burn is
Speaker 1: true starter? Not accepting that, you're not accepting it as
Speaker 1: a phrase or as that it's true in this game
Speaker 1: three series is true starter burn playing with the starters
Speaker 1: a starter reps and now it's it's building. I like
Speaker 1: the turn of phrase, true starter burn, but why not
Speaker 1: just getting more reps with start reps in key situations?
Speaker 1: And in this res's it's interchangeable with the word run.
Speaker 1: He's getting some run with the starters. It's trying to
Speaker 1: be the straw that stirs the offenses. Drink. Were you
Speaker 1: the one that was against it? I hate it? I
Speaker 1: hate it, but of course I just said it. Where
Speaker 1: is it? You do? Keep hearing it on our network?
Speaker 1: I hear it on every network already, are like, send
Speaker 1: it off into space. I think Erica can do that.
Speaker 1: We have the power as as a podcast that that
Speaker 1: phrase will no longer be said. By a decree from
Speaker 1: Colleen Wolf. I'm not gonna use the phrase. But as
Speaker 1: Dan knows, there's only one man who gets to use that,
Speaker 1: and it's Reggie Jackson who created the phrase in regards
Speaker 1: to the late term. And it sure did three homers.
Speaker 1: Was that all right? So back to Yankee history it
Speaker 1: goes where it must stay. One more item from the
Speaker 1: fish Tank, Minca Fitzpatrick the versatile defensive back of the Dolphins,
Speaker 1: um Oh. Mark Kelly, reporter for the South Florida Sun Sentinel,
Speaker 1: sent out a tweet. I don't want to be the
Speaker 1: bearer of bad news, but Mika Fitzpatrick isn't playing well
Speaker 1: and guess who responds? Got up in the replies Minca's mom,
Speaker 1: Manka's mom. That's not a mom joke, guys, it is
Speaker 1: actually his mother, Maca's mom. Mincan Melissa replied to Omar, No,
Speaker 1: you would never want to do that. Maybe it's because
Speaker 1: he is not a strong safety and is being used
Speaker 1: to suit other people's skill set, not his own. But
Speaker 1: you know, let's just keep ripping him because we know
Speaker 1: it breaks your heart to do that. I mean, is
Speaker 1: there anything better than mom moms for the win? And
Speaker 1: then Maka comes back off the practice field and he
Speaker 1: gets asked about it, and he kind of agrees with
Speaker 1: his mom. It is what it is, he told the
Speaker 1: Miami Harold. She's being honest and saying how she feels.
Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with it. I wish you would have
Speaker 1: addressed me first and talked to me first before it happens,
Speaker 1: but it is what it is. She feels very strongly.
Speaker 1: He added, She's not wrong. Coach has asked me to
Speaker 1: do something right now. I got to do what they
Speaker 1: asked me to do. If we have to have some
Speaker 1: discussions in the future, will have those discussions. West, What
Speaker 1: exactly is the issue with Fitzpatrick. They're not giving him
Speaker 1: the opportunity to be his true best self. There's no
Speaker 1: bad guys here. They have many injuries at strong safety
Speaker 1: and they have a guy they want to watch a
Speaker 1: free safety, Bobby McCain. So they're having Minca because I mean,
Speaker 1: Flores comes from Belichick. You've got to play multiple positions.
Speaker 1: Is important to have versatility. It's important to have emergent
Speaker 1: break case in case of emergency players. They're seeing if
Speaker 1: Menca Fitzpatrick can play in the box, and his opinion is,
Speaker 1: I'm two hundred five pounds not two hunding twenty. I'm
Speaker 1: not best suited for the box, but I'm doing this
Speaker 1: because my coach has asked me to and it's best
Speaker 1: for the team. His mom is a little bit different.
Speaker 1: Taking this is where like, you don't need to overreact
Speaker 1: to what they're doing. In the second week of training camp,
Speaker 1: they're just they're messing around. But it did get me
Speaker 1: thinking along with Jonathan Abrams the Raiders Safety, who mentioned
Speaker 1: his mom is younger than Tom Brady his daddy. Um,
Speaker 1: as parents are a little more social media savvy, you
Speaker 1: know that there are agents or whatever. It's just gonna
Speaker 1: become There's gonna be more storylines like this, like Mom's coming,
Speaker 1: Mom's coming at you. Because in the past, moms they weren't.
Speaker 1: They were the French they're on. Yeah, mom's moms are different.
Speaker 1: But this story reminds me of Marcus Vick when he
Speaker 1: used to tweet about Michael. Vick would always be like
Speaker 1: have to he would have to answer these questions and
Speaker 1: I can't imagine what the conversations are up is that
Speaker 1: the old man like can stop. It does hit me
Speaker 1: like as an age indicator when I see mom's name Melissa,
Speaker 1: because growing up, I never knew any mom's name Melissa.
Speaker 1: It was just the girl's name of someone in your
Speaker 1: class or something like a third grade classmate. Now their moms,
Speaker 1: we've gotten at moms are always dying. There is a
Speaker 1: song from the early seventies called Sweet Melissa, which would
Speaker 1: leads some people were saying the name didn't exist with us,
Speaker 1: just that there weren't in my town. There weren't flushed
Speaker 1: with mom's name Melissa. It's much more. It's probably dying off.
Speaker 1: I feel like not a lot of Melissa. Do you
Speaker 1: like the name Melissa? I like it a lot, but
Speaker 1: it reminds me of like a younger person than a mom.
Speaker 1: But I guess moms are young like mom could but
Speaker 1: you could be a mom at a very young age.
Speaker 1: So I will say, as a can we just clip that.
Speaker 1: It's just like I don't want to get you know,
Speaker 1: it's I respect them all, but the blinders on as
Speaker 1: an eighties baby, it is a little unusual now when
Speaker 1: you see like a thirty nine year old Tiffany. Right, yeah,
Speaker 1: Tiffany would be a better example in that worldly we are.
Speaker 1: Let's just down to the sixth most popular girl's name.
Speaker 1: Where's Tiffany at? Tiffany? Because Tiffany around. I mean I
Speaker 1: think a lot of that too. Later on was after
Speaker 1: saved by the Bell? Of course, where's Tiffany at? Because
Speaker 1: that was a monster in the eighties. We have our
Speaker 1: own Tiffany Blackman on the network. Tiffany the song might
Speaker 1: have had something to do with it. Oh, it's getting varied,
Speaker 1: not even in the top thousand stuff. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I trust those sites. But finally in the news. Yeah,
Speaker 1: anything else mark about the names? No, just like are
Speaker 1: they pulling those rankings from true updated sense this or
Speaker 1: is it like just their own thing? I believe it's
Speaker 1: the two thousand ten cents is uh? Finally in the news,
Speaker 1: some big behind the scenes NFL news. Uh. The NFL
Speaker 1: and its efforts to get involved war and find different
Speaker 1: ways to promote social justice, has partnered with rock Nation,
Speaker 1: the entertainment company founded by Jay Z, and they've agreed
Speaker 1: to lead the league's endeavors in music in entertainment. As
Speaker 1: part of this long term partnership, rock Nation will advise
Speaker 1: on the selection of artists for NFL events like the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, especially a Super Bowl, but other things as well,
Speaker 1: and also play key role in the production and promotion
Speaker 1: of new music. Also, it ties Rock nations Inspire Change
Speaker 1: initiative with the NFL and its massive platform, which is
Speaker 1: a good thing. Um, there's a lot to the story,
Speaker 1: and there was a meeting between Jay Z and Roger
Speaker 1: Goodell that was that coming to light right as we
Speaker 1: went upstairs to the show. But from my perspective, as
Speaker 1: someone who's worked here for a while and covered a
Speaker 1: lot of the halftime shows. Uh, this is much bigger
Speaker 1: than the super Bowl halftime show. But I will say
Speaker 1: the super Bowl halftime show needed help. It kind of
Speaker 1: hit a low watermark um in Atlanta with Maroon Five,
Speaker 1: where the NFL and Maroon Five got just savaged to
Speaker 1: the point where they canceled the super Bowl press conference
Speaker 1: because it had just become such a um a tough situation.
Speaker 1: So bringing in jay Z, first of all, it took
Speaker 1: that shirt off. He changed everything. But bringing in jay
Speaker 1: Z and his team, I'm sure that is not that's
Speaker 1: going to freshen things up. Uh. And also something that Colleen,
Speaker 1: I know you're a big fan of the hip hop.
Speaker 1: See I'm so excited about that because I feel like
Speaker 1: we're going to get a new mix of We might
Speaker 1: finally now see what the NFL and the halftime show
Speaker 1: is really held off on. Aside from um, you know,
Speaker 1: little guest stints here in a cameo as Miss Elliot
Speaker 1: comes to mind, but there have been many and maybe
Speaker 1: some actual hip pop acts which won't please everyone. What
Speaker 1: was that Ricky finally doing this thing? But I think
Speaker 1: it's for the good because what happened and it was
Speaker 1: really funny. Okay, um, yeah, I'm excited about it because
Speaker 1: I thought for sure when we were in Atlanta last
Speaker 1: year for the super Bowl, we would maybe see some
Speaker 1: good hip hop acts. And that's what I mean. When
Speaker 1: you look at the Atlanta rap scene, it's vast and
Speaker 1: we didn't get that last year. So big, that's right.
Speaker 1: Jay Z was asked about jay Z famously put the
Speaker 1: NFL on blast, like in the last single that they
Speaker 1: from the Beyonce album that they released. I liked it.
Speaker 1: I think it is underrated album, not the point, but
Speaker 1: I just love it. Yeah. What was the line basically
Speaker 1: that he didn't need he turned down the NFL. We
Speaker 1: don't need him. We're in stadiums to h He was
Speaker 1: asked like working with the NFL and in despite Colin
Speaker 1: Kaepernick not having a job and he had. He had
Speaker 1: a pretty good answer for that, just saying like this
Speaker 1: is kind of the next the next step, like Colin Kaepernick,
Speaker 1: knew was more than just himself that he wasn't about
Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick having a job. It was about trying to
Speaker 1: have a platform and make changes in jay Z with
Speaker 1: with part of this deal, is saying that their company
Speaker 1: is going to do that. But that also reminded me
Speaker 1: is this is the season where people basically have stopped
Speaker 1: considering that Colin Kaepernick could work again because it hasn't
Speaker 1: been a story at all. He's only thirty one years old.
Speaker 1: He's out there, you know, working out, according to social
Speaker 1: media and all that. But this is kind of the
Speaker 1: season where no one's even brought up the idea of
Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick joining the team anymore. Very true, Wes, you
Speaker 1: just got a beep that was not meeper. That's what's
Speaker 1: happening in the news. Alright. Hard Knocks Episode two rolled
Speaker 1: out on HBO Go. Good job, by the way, shouts
Speaker 1: to HBO go. It used to be a new episode
Speaker 1: comes out and then it shows up the next morning
Speaker 1: on the HBO Go and you're like, you know, Twitter
Speaker 1: on your thumbs. Now they put it up in real
Speaker 1: time change. It changed everything because now I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I watch it with Simone because she it's something
Speaker 1: that shows she enjoys and like it. It's very voyeuristic
Speaker 1: and what's happening inside this team. But in the old days,
Speaker 1: we used to have our podcast pretty early the next
Speaker 1: morning and I remember having to wake up at the
Speaker 1: crack of dawn to try to watch these Hard Cops
Speaker 1: hard Hard Knocks episodes Hard Cops to show you watch
Speaker 1: late at night. That that was a fire drill. I'll
Speaker 1: take this in a second. Um yeah, Hard Knocks as expected.
Speaker 1: It was Antonio Brown heavy um so that I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about on on Monday's show how
Speaker 1: it was kind of an important episode for Hard Knocks
Speaker 1: because will they give you access and we didn't really
Speaker 1: greg get access. Uh, And that we got access to
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown who talked to Hard Knocks cameras showed his feet,
Speaker 1: said that his feet were circumcised, which is, you know,
Speaker 1: meeting sushi while watching that, and I was like, this
Speaker 1: is disgusting. It was so gross saying your feet have
Speaker 1: been circumcisedes basically total weird guy behavior. But that's what
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown is. Um. But what we didn't really get
Speaker 1: was any peak behind battle lines at the Raiders facility.
Speaker 1: There was a blink and you'll miss it UM shot
Speaker 1: of Gruden in a coach's only meeting, kind of speaking,
Speaker 1: kind of talking to himself saying, has anyone seen my
Speaker 1: friend a B I wish he was here, but we
Speaker 1: don't get anything. But there are a couple of little
Speaker 1: moments like that. Another one where the coach another assistant
Speaker 1: was talking to him and Gruden was grumbling and you
Speaker 1: almost saw Gruden stopped talking as if he knows he's miked,
Speaker 1: and like there were little moments where you could see
Speaker 1: some legit frustration and I thought they split the difference.
Speaker 1: They also made news. I mean, it is Hard Knocks.
Speaker 1: You're not expecting them to make news. And no one
Speaker 1: had any of that info from Antonio Brown, so about
Speaker 1: the exact what happened the day he was treated, which
Speaker 1: was very detailed and rather gross, training his feet, all
Speaker 1: that details. Now, they punted essentially on the helmet talk
Speaker 1: for the most part, we got um essentially just an
Speaker 1: NFL news update and some live schreiber um you know,
Speaker 1: v o uh, and they kind of teased more on
Speaker 1: that's coming next week. But you know, the more I
Speaker 1: thought about it, and there was out there, people were
Speaker 1: taking it to extremes saying this was potentially leading to
Speaker 1: this episode, Hard Knocks jumped the shark moment. If we
Speaker 1: don't get inside info on this, it's an extremely sensitive
Speaker 1: situation for the Raiders. At this moment and you see
Speaker 1: it and how Gruden handled the situation, because I think
Speaker 1: he kind of did handle this well in terms of crisis.
Speaker 1: Can role backing Brown not making inflammatory comments to the media.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he does that in two thousand two,
Speaker 1: Remember he took on Keyshawn Johnson. It's a different situation,
Speaker 1: but he kind of stayed out of the way, made
Speaker 1: sure not to throw any kerosene on the flames. And
Speaker 1: now Brown's back at camp as of yesterday, and Gruden
Speaker 1: was speaking positively that he was gonna be there, and
Speaker 1: he was gonna be there Z receiver, and everything was
Speaker 1: gonna be great. Maybe that's what ends up happening and
Speaker 1: they survived this. But to West's point, because West, I
Speaker 1: thought you made a good point, uh last week, and
Speaker 1: I touched on it in my right up in NFL
Speaker 1: dot Com. You just wonder this whole culture rebuild, where
Speaker 1: does Antonio Brown actually fit in. I know he makes
Speaker 1: the team better from a skill present a skill aspect,
Speaker 1: but I'm watching this and he's getting he does always
Speaker 1: talks to this young team, trying to beat him up,
Speaker 1: build him up, and then you hear uh the narrator
Speaker 1: be like Antonio Brown has decided to leave camp. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: is that is that the guy that you want in
Speaker 1: the building when you're trying to re established the Raiders culture. Well,
Speaker 1: if you look at their allocation of resources, money, what
Speaker 1: have you since John Gruden took over, he'd be nonplussed.
Speaker 1: If you're looking for some kind of pattern or plan
Speaker 1: or cohesion, I just don't. It's all over the map.
Speaker 1: I would also say, you know, we've followed bad teams
Speaker 1: that have talked about culture change one coach, one GM
Speaker 1: after the other for decades plus and without good players.
Speaker 1: Culture change is a lot of hot air, or it
Speaker 1: certainly can be in the NFL, and I think the
Speaker 1: change with Antonio Brown always would come on the field.
Speaker 1: And I feel I think these Hard Knocks episodes, you
Speaker 1: either you're either riding with Gruden if you're or you're not.
Speaker 1: He is the rage. I thought he was the raging
Speaker 1: star of last night's show. Whether you find him likable
Speaker 1: or you don't, so to me, I I started to
Speaker 1: like him a little bit more. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if he has a whole lot more to say on
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown behind the scenes, to be honest, because I'm
Speaker 1: sure he's got stuff he's not letting us see. But
Speaker 1: his job is to prepare not just at Aneal Brown
Speaker 1: and figured that out, but nine other guys and a
Speaker 1: bunch of other coaches. And how much time and energy
Speaker 1: can you spend on a guy who's not there at
Speaker 1: the car said it, Well, when a guy's not here
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, we just got to press on. Like
Speaker 1: they don't deal with it the way that we do.
Speaker 1: They knew what they were getting into with a b
Speaker 1: as well. I mean I thought that from last night, Mark,
Speaker 1: you were so dead on with Gruden just being the start.
Speaker 1: Right from the jump, he pulls the bait and switch
Speaker 1: on everybody and he's like, welcome to week two of
Speaker 1: the preseason. Everybody say hi, and then he's like, all right, now,
Speaker 1: let's get down to business. I ain't better fun execution.
Speaker 1: I want better etiquette, but more than anything, I want
Speaker 1: better execution. Are we clear on that I want better?
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, oh my god, Okay, Jesus. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: I loved his interaction with the backup quarterbacks to where
Speaker 1: he's like, I have a little personality today. Well here's
Speaker 1: the thing, like you, It's I always wonder like it's
Speaker 1: him and being brutally art on his quarterbacks, which is
Speaker 1: what he's sort of famous, is that helping anyone, Like
Speaker 1: first of all, you can't you can't train Mike Glennon
Speaker 1: or Nathan Peterman to be natural leaders, Like it's they're
Speaker 1: not gonna suddenly become Christmas, like the guys that are
Speaker 1: like leading an entire team because Gruden says, can you guys,
Speaker 1: can you talk a little more? And and Gruden's kind
Speaker 1: of famous for this. I mean he's it's so funny
Speaker 1: because he's a coach who goes through the emotions like
Speaker 1: a fan, like when Glennon, Like at first he loves Glennon,
Speaker 1: I love glenn and then after he throws it out,
Speaker 1: what the hell are you doing? At one point he
Speaker 1: just yells out to nobody and to me, this is
Speaker 1: very this is John Gruden nutshell, And to nobody just goes,
Speaker 1: let's play some football here, Like no one's listening to him.
Speaker 1: He's just like going crazy, was running out of lifespan.
Speaker 1: He I mean, it is funny. I don't think anyone's
Speaker 1: um house house mouse, Like I don't think anyone's safer
Speaker 1: than Derek Carr. This is a backup quarterback competition. There
Speaker 1: will be no clear winner. It will just be who
Speaker 1: survives and takes that spot. Um. So that that was
Speaker 1: a takeaway for me. Connie, Oh my god, I'm so
Speaker 1: many Max Crosby, Um who liked him? Oh, I loved him.
Speaker 1: That he got hurt? But his song was that t
Speaker 1: and anything. Oh my god, that was great. Like I
Speaker 1: wasn't sure how it was going to be at first,
Speaker 1: and then he came right in and everyone's dancing, humming,
Speaker 1: singing along with him. So but the Renvere had maybe
Speaker 1: the worst Hard Knocks performance ever in twenty years. That's
Speaker 1: lean on me. That's the closest I've ever seen to
Speaker 1: anyone singing exactly like me. Two of those this season
Speaker 1: is enough. What else? Mayock needs desperately needs some block.
Speaker 1: He has to wear it. I'm worried about him. I
Speaker 1: liked I think we need to reach out to him
Speaker 1: and maybe send him some sunblock because he was very burnt,
Speaker 1: and as a buddy who was also very burnt this
Speaker 1: past weekend, it's not a good feeling. So I would
Speaker 1: like him to war, you know. And while we're on
Speaker 1: the topic of Mayok, don't pull that uncle stuff. Where
Speaker 1: it's like a parliament. Yeah, so he finds because the
Speaker 1: kid did the pay he paint sung. He has to
Speaker 1: then go you know Acrost the the what's the kid's
Speaker 1: name again? Oh? Max Cross? Yeah, Crosby a practice and
Speaker 1: be like, you know you're a rap fan. Huh do
Speaker 1: you ever hear the Parliament Funkadelic? You ever hear George Clinton?
Speaker 1: You have to hear Boots Collins. How do you call
Speaker 1: yourself a rap fan? You know, calm down, Uncle thinks
Speaker 1: he's twenty three years old. Okay, he doesn't need to
Speaker 1: know about this music from forty years ago to be
Speaker 1: a fan of hip hop. Gruden. I think Gruden naturally
Speaker 1: can work with like the younger generation. You know that's
Speaker 1: not Mayox. You know I'll meet you halfway on this one.
Speaker 1: I give extra points for anybody who are hereciates what
Speaker 1: came before you, an actual appreciation for history, get that.
Speaker 1: But I would never give someone like a hard time
Speaker 1: for not knowing, Like I don't expect Mac Max Crosby
Speaker 1: dont know who George Clinton is. I feel like Mayok
Speaker 1: has been on a special personal message mission to not
Speaker 1: show up on this show. Bestie Ken, and he's probably
Speaker 1: not thrilled that that scene came out. But I think
Speaker 1: the last couple of seasons have been a study of
Speaker 1: and I think Gruden is probably better than he was
Speaker 1: a year ago trying to work with millennials, trying to
Speaker 1: work with younger people, because that's a challenge. That's not
Speaker 1: something Mayok was doing to this degree before. And Gruden,
Speaker 1: to me, I think he's doing a pretty good job
Speaker 1: of it, depending on player to player. He still has
Speaker 1: the passion for the job. You can see it, it
Speaker 1: comes through. It's amazing. I mean, I the fact that
Speaker 1: NFL films can just bring up that McVeigh footage from
Speaker 1: when he was starting out like no other boy, there's
Speaker 1: no other sport, there's no other like exact example of that,
Speaker 1: where it's just they can call up and they happen
Speaker 1: to have been there in two thousands. You know, they
Speaker 1: were there in two and they have it. And the
Speaker 1: most only moment of the entire show is that quick
Speaker 1: moment they showed Gruden McVeigh talking and and they're just
Speaker 1: and Gruden's just like, yeah, yo, we're in the super
Speaker 1: Bowl last year. We're a long way from the super
Speaker 1: Bowl or something like that. I was like that was real.
Speaker 1: That's why he has a lot to say. I think
Speaker 1: about Antonio Brown behind the scenes and a lot of things,
Speaker 1: but like that was like a quick moment where you
Speaker 1: got a real look into like, man, I wish we
Speaker 1: were the Rams. It's here too. It's a ten year
Speaker 1: job or a ten year contract, and he's got a
Speaker 1: lot of work to do. Um. All right, that's what's
Speaker 1: going on with Hard Knocks before we get to our
Speaker 1: juicy trade scenario. As a reminder, Oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: check out the Hard Knocks podcast listed by Peter Schreger.
Speaker 1: It's an HBO Films joint. Schreig Bomb is hosting it.
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Speaker 1: Let's hope not. Let's hope not. All right, let's get
Speaker 1: to it. Juicy trade scenarios. Trade scenarios that makes sense
Speaker 1: for NFL teams entering week one. Um, I think it
Speaker 1: only uh makes sense to start with jadeveon Clowney because
Speaker 1: and maybe we have multiple jadeveon clowney trade options out there,
Speaker 1: but I have one. You guys know it. You guys
Speaker 1: know because as soon as this dropped on text or
Speaker 1: on social yesterday, we were on a text chain and
Speaker 1: I got excited about the idea of the jets going
Speaker 1: after Clowney. Um, so I want to I want to
Speaker 1: put together a trade offer because as we know, and
Speaker 1: it's one of those off repeated things West, the Jets
Speaker 1: haven't had a true pass rusher since John Abraham and
Speaker 1: two thousand five. Well, that's true. Poor Calvin Pace, it's
Speaker 1: been a lot Calvin base at ten saxslon Yere. He's
Speaker 1: a nice little player, but uh, you know, he's not
Speaker 1: a truly gifted and and I just think and everything
Speaker 1: we talked about makes sense about why you would be
Speaker 1: careful about giving up too much for Clowney. But I
Speaker 1: think the Jets are in an interesting position here because
Speaker 1: they have pieces in place to make you think they
Speaker 1: can make a run at a playoff spot this year.
Speaker 1: So how serious are you about that? Really? Because when
Speaker 1: you sign Levy on Bell and your son jameson Crowder
Speaker 1: and you go get Ryan Khalil out of retirement, uh,
Speaker 1: and you make those type of moves, that tells me
Speaker 1: you're trying to win ten or eleven games this year.
Speaker 1: But guess what, you have a major problem at secondary.
Speaker 1: We talked about it on Monday. Tremaine Johnson got hurt. Uh.
Speaker 1: Kyron Brown also suffered a hamstring injury. Both those guys
Speaker 1: are out and definitely could miss regular season time. Updated
Speaker 1: cornerback a depth chart. Dal Roberts, Brian Pool and Arthur Mollette.
Speaker 1: Good player, So what are you gonna do? It's gonna
Speaker 1: be hard to upgrade the cornerback. You need your defensive
Speaker 1: line to get after the quarterback and bail out your
Speaker 1: secondary essentially, so get Clowney plug that hole. Since Sean Abraham,
Speaker 1: how are you gonna do it? Let's keep it simple, guys.
Speaker 1: This isn't easy because I really do like this player,
Speaker 1: but he's also he's in a contract here straight up,
Speaker 1: jadeveon Clowney for Leonard Williams going back to Houston. The
Speaker 1: Jets seemed to be on the fence about whether Williams
Speaker 1: is a fit long term. But he's obviously a very
Speaker 1: talented young player. Uh that gets Houston's defensive line gets
Speaker 1: a boost and get Clowney out of the building if
Speaker 1: they don't believe in him. The money is very close.
Speaker 1: Williams makes fourteen point two million in the final year
Speaker 1: of his rookie deal. Clowney has do sixteen million this year.
Speaker 1: I think it helps both teams. It clears up a
Speaker 1: little bit of a log jam for the Jets after
Speaker 1: they're moving the with their first pick in this draft,
Speaker 1: and it gives you Clowney, a fearsome guy that can
Speaker 1: rush the passer and stop the run. And yes, it
Speaker 1: takes discipline Greg to figure out how to play this
Speaker 1: out if Clowney is successful this season, if this trade
Speaker 1: went down. But I actually think they have a GM
Speaker 1: and Joe Ugless that just might be able to handle
Speaker 1: the situation and Joe Douglas looking to make his first
Speaker 1: big splash because I don't count Ryan Khalil. Is that
Speaker 1: about that Clowney for Big Cat. I'm just not interested
Speaker 1: if I'm the Jets of giving up one of my
Speaker 1: better players, just like why i'd give up I'd rather
Speaker 1: give up a second round pick than give up Lennard Williams.
Speaker 1: You have Leonard Ruins for this season. You want to
Speaker 1: see what he looks like in Greg Williams's offense. You
Speaker 1: could use the franchise tag on him next year. I
Speaker 1: think there's an argument to be made that, especially if
Speaker 1: you do use the compensatory pick formula. That's like everyone
Speaker 1: goes crazy about second round picks this time of year.
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes second round picks are like Duke Dawson,
Speaker 1: the Patriots cornerback who's not even gonna make the team
Speaker 1: in the second season. Like, I know Jenevan Clowney is good.
Speaker 1: I know Leonard Williams is good. I don't want to
Speaker 1: give up one of them when you don't have many
Speaker 1: good players. I don't want to give that makes them
Speaker 1: a better team. I think it does make them a
Speaker 1: better team. But you're saying for positional versatility that Clowne
Speaker 1: can play outside line, will is more of an inside guy. Yeah. Sure,
Speaker 1: I think Clowney is a little better at what he does,
Speaker 1: and he's definitely had a position they could use more.
Speaker 1: But I think Leonard Williams is one of the whatever
Speaker 1: six best players on the Jets. So I don't want
Speaker 1: to give them. Yeah, I just I think you have
Speaker 1: to go into they would be I think Texans would
Speaker 1: do that. You have to go into this with a
Speaker 1: telling everyone it is very possible that no matter how
Speaker 1: good we think our front office is and how good
Speaker 1: our GM is, there is an agent and there is
Speaker 1: a player who wants to maximize their earnings after this,
Speaker 1: and it's possible the Jets and Clowney have one season together,
Speaker 1: so if I'm gonna do that, and I hear where
Speaker 1: you're going with it, like you've got to make some
Speaker 1: cuts because of your cap situation too, But I think
Speaker 1: it's a go for broke move on defense, and I
Speaker 1: wouldn't give up Leonard Williams. I give up almost anything else.
Speaker 1: I don't care about the pick as much. I'm with
Speaker 1: Greg on that it would be tasty though, that the
Speaker 1: need is there and the fit is there. But I
Speaker 1: don't know if you can make it work, because just
Speaker 1: thinking about I would I would give up somebody else
Speaker 1: if I could, because having Clowney Quinnin Williams and Leonard
Speaker 1: Williams on the line, now that's good. Now, that really
Speaker 1: significantly helps the team. Yeah, all right, Connie, you go next, Okay, geez,
Speaker 1: all right. You didn't expect it to go to second, No,
Speaker 1: I didn't. Okay, I'm trying to help your stress level.
Speaker 1: Just get out of the way instead of it building
Speaker 1: up to and then you do you know, like, no
Speaker 1: matter what the assignment is, I stress out about it.
Speaker 1: So I talked to myself in and out of multiple
Speaker 1: trades with multiple teams. But then I was thinking about
Speaker 1: the Seahawks and jadeveon Clowney, and I was thinking that
Speaker 1: their major weakness right now is pass rush. So they
Speaker 1: have to fill that spot left by Frank Clark. They
Speaker 1: have Ziggyanza there, but you don't know exactly what you're
Speaker 1: going to get from Zigianza. Can he give you a
Speaker 1: throwback performance? Is he going to be all the way healthy? Okay? Great? Um,
Speaker 1: they have the cap space, they have about twenty million
Speaker 1: in cap and then this year next or they're really
Speaker 1: good too, so here and also you have Drawn reed
Speaker 1: Um whose face suspension. I just what this is what
Speaker 1: I'm thinking if you go second round pick because it
Speaker 1: is basically a one year deal for Clowney, especially if
Speaker 1: he gets hurt, you don't know, you can't really control
Speaker 1: a whole lot, So second round pick and then what
Speaker 1: if you know, you throwing maybe some like unlimited trips
Speaker 1: to the top of the space needle or something like that.
Speaker 1: Remember realistic that will clinch. They bring back Duane Brown
Speaker 1: Dwayne Brown if they want, because okay, so if you
Speaker 1: can't get Trent Williams, who West, as you mentioned earlier,
Speaker 1: is a thirty something who has dealt with some injuries,
Speaker 1: why don't you get somebody back on your team that
Speaker 1: you shipped off to the Seattle Seahawks in the first place. God,
Speaker 1: they'd be desperate to get rid of clown I feel like,
Speaker 1: all right, what about their their new pick Ethan Post.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a guard, but you can throw in
Speaker 1: him and maybe one of the younger It's fun. It's
Speaker 1: a fun one. I just don't know why the Seahawks
Speaker 1: would have any interest in giving up, you know, left
Speaker 1: tackle that they just give a contract that well the
Speaker 1: Texans need. I don't think that the Texans are going
Speaker 1: to be interested in just drafting. They need players their
Speaker 1: window right now. They're set up to win right now.
Speaker 1: So if you're just gonna get rid of Jadeveon Clowney,
Speaker 1: you need you need somebody to help protect Deshaun Watson
Speaker 1: on that line. Especially last year after seeing sixty two
Speaker 1: sacks come on and Ryan Khalil didn't look great in
Speaker 1: his first preseason game. You don't know what you're gonna
Speaker 1: get from him. That's the most important position on the line.
Speaker 1: I think Seahawks makes a lot of sense to they
Speaker 1: have an extra pick because of the Frank Clark trade. Second,
Speaker 1: just send a pick there's no way they would they
Speaker 1: would rather have Dwyane Brown than Jadevan Clowney, especially because
Speaker 1: you got for a couple of years and you know
Speaker 1: you gotta protect Wresse Wilson. That's been a is the
Speaker 1: ust year in seventeen years that we haven't been talking
Speaker 1: about the Sehaks offensive line because now it's good. So
Speaker 1: but but I could see them. They've been very aggressive
Speaker 1: just sending picks. Remember they sent a pick for Percy
Speaker 1: Harvin when he didn't have much let then they ended
Speaker 1: up resigning him and everything they've they've made a lot
Speaker 1: of aggressive moves. They're about as likely, I think as
Speaker 1: any team in the league to do something where they're
Speaker 1: just like, fine, we'll give you a second and we'll
Speaker 1: hope that we can convince Clowney to sign here and
Speaker 1: maybe we'll just get a ton of money. I could
Speaker 1: picture Clowney thriving. Yes, I could see that. You could
Speaker 1: see that that that Davian Clowney breakout season that we've
Speaker 1: been waiting for, where he has you know, seventeen and
Speaker 1: a half sacks and is in the running for Defensive
Speaker 1: Player of the Year. I could totally see that happened.
Speaker 1: Jayane Brown has has burned that bridge, and Clowney is
Speaker 1: the one that has to agree to all this. You know,
Speaker 1: per some of these parameters, Seattle makes a lot more
Speaker 1: sense than some of these other teams. All right, Wes, Well,
Speaker 1: we're sticking with Clowney. I want to send him home.
Speaker 1: He's from the Southeast, and I want to send it
Speaker 1: to a place where they could have reason full belief
Speaker 1: that they might have an edge in signing him because
Speaker 1: he'd be home the Atlanta Falcons and they have salary
Speaker 1: cap issues. So we gotta make this work. Vick Beasley,
Speaker 1: who Greg said, you know a week or two ago,
Speaker 1: Falcon's biggest problem on defense is these guys they've drafted
Speaker 1: to be difference making pass rushers haven't gotten it done well.
Speaker 1: The Texans are gonna need a pass rusher. We're sending
Speaker 1: Vic Beasley, in his third team million back to Houston
Speaker 1: for the last year of his contract with a third
Speaker 1: round pick, and we're getting Clowney and return Vick Beasley
Speaker 1: and a third for Jadeveon Clowney. And now you've got
Speaker 1: the Falcons who think they're a Super Bowl contender with
Speaker 1: Jadeveon Clowney, who if I'm a Super Bowl contender. The
Speaker 1: thing I love most about Clowney, in addition to his versatility,
Speaker 1: he shows up in big games. He's terrorized the Patriots,
Speaker 1: he dominated the Raiders in the playoffs. He's had one
Speaker 1: of his best games ever against the Eagles. His PFF
Speaker 1: numbers are wild. If you look at him every year,
Speaker 1: he's dominated in November December in the playoffs, like he's
Speaker 1: been a fairly average play are in the first half
Speaker 1: of the last three seasons, almost like he's getting up
Speaker 1: to speed and then he just kills people. But does
Speaker 1: that's I mean, if you're gonna pick the time of
Speaker 1: year to do it, that's it. The Falcons would definitely
Speaker 1: be the winners in that trade. That's a lost. I
Speaker 1: wonder what Bill O'Brien like. But again, it's one year though,
Speaker 1: that's right. That's something that I find like a little
Speaker 1: bit out there for most. The way that most proNT
Speaker 1: officers would think is it is a Gopher broke, one
Speaker 1: year move with zero guaranteed. I wonder if the third
Speaker 1: round pick alone is enough to get Jadevan Clowney. The
Speaker 1: Texans should be happy to get a third round pick
Speaker 1: with the way they've oh, I think they know. I
Speaker 1: don't think they would trade him for a third, But
Speaker 1: you're getting a third, are going to get a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of other stuff. That's why I'm saying that sitting
Speaker 1: on him is probably what the trade is going to
Speaker 1: go down in two hours. And all of this I
Speaker 1: didn't think of that quick mark your turn. All right,
Speaker 1: all right, thank you. Here is what could turn me
Speaker 1: into a fan of a team that has sort of
Speaker 1: driven me nuts historically over the past couple of years,
Speaker 1: and that is the green Bay Packers. And the green
Speaker 1: Bay Packers have a new coach. They have a new
Speaker 1: running scheme that does not fit Jamal Williams. It does
Speaker 1: fit Aaron Jones. But Aaron Jones has not been the
Speaker 1: most consistent, reliable running back on the face of the earth.
Speaker 1: And it wouldn't be the worst thing on the planet
Speaker 1: to have to or to have someone even better than
Speaker 1: Aaron Jones brought into green Bay to flip the switch
Speaker 1: on an offense that has not had a dominant running
Speaker 1: game really at all under Aaron Rodgers. And it's so
Speaker 1: I send Melvin Gordon to the Packers for a second
Speaker 1: round pick, and you know what, charges you can have
Speaker 1: Equanimius st. Brown in return. Yes, I think a second
Speaker 1: round pick, you're getting it. You could get them for
Speaker 1: second round pick. Charges are Chargers are done with this guy.
Speaker 1: Chargers are done with him. They are already they already
Speaker 1: have had Philip Rivers saying we're good with who we have,
Speaker 1: and we got to be settled with who we have.
Speaker 1: They do have good running backs. It's loss to not
Speaker 1: have Melvin Gordon based but you in situation where it's
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? You're gonna He doesn't even
Speaker 1: finished saying his first name before to LESCo, just because oh, Quinny,
Speaker 1: this deal is done. He's a cherry on top a
Speaker 1: second round pick. I think that's it done. You're not
Speaker 1: are you? Are you trading a first round pick for
Speaker 1: for Gordon? I think a second is too rich? Well
Speaker 1: that's that. If anything, I'm throwing the charges of bone.
Speaker 1: But third rounder that you just traded Duke Johnson for
Speaker 1: a third rounder. It's jackie because you gotta pay him.
Speaker 1: You assume you have to pay him top five running
Speaker 1: back money the first place. And I went through that too,
Speaker 1: thinking about, uh, what Melvin Gordon could get? Who who
Speaker 1: would want him? And You're right. I don't think a
Speaker 1: ton of teams are going to give up a ton
Speaker 1: because you gotta give up the contract. But I did
Speaker 1: think of one team that would be desperate enough potentially,
Speaker 1: and it's a team you call up and uh, Tom
Speaker 1: talasco the Charges. One day, he calls up Jay Gruden,
Speaker 1: starts talking to him. Uh, you know about Melvin Gordon.
Speaker 1: A couple of hours later, talk to Bruce Allen. Don't
Speaker 1: even tell Jay Gruden that you talked. Uh, don't don't
Speaker 1: even tell Bruce Allen that you talked to Jay Gruden.
Speaker 1: Then maybe called dance night, you know, call the ownership,
Speaker 1: talk about just have them start playing against each other,
Speaker 1: the whole Redskins power dynamic. Those are the types of desperate.
Speaker 1: Are you just simply just trying to mean? I think
Speaker 1: it's somehow play all the Redskins front office maneuvering against
Speaker 1: each other. This is where crazy trades on the iron
Speaker 1: throne basically. And uh, and you get Trent Williams back,
Speaker 1: because Trent Williams does not want to play for the Redskins.
Speaker 1: It's just not gonna happen. This is the one guy
Speaker 1: I believe that he is making a stand and he's
Speaker 1: just not playing for this organization ever again. And I
Speaker 1: think Gruden and the people there should be realizing they're
Speaker 1: all in the hot seat. They're all needing to win
Speaker 1: this year. Who's gonna help you more this year? You're
Speaker 1: not gonna have Williams, Melvin Gordon or Trent Williams. And
Speaker 1: I know they have some running backs there, but you
Speaker 1: can't trust Darius Guys who's still not practice fully. I
Speaker 1: don't care about a Peterson put Lvin Gordon in there.
Speaker 1: I don't give him some money. Hold On, hold On
Speaker 1: seems like something The red are just glossing over the
Speaker 1: fact that they have Adrian Peterson and Darius guys and
Speaker 1: they don't need Melvin Gordon. I don't they don't they
Speaker 1: do they? Yeah, I don't care about it. What does
Speaker 1: that mean? He's a backup that you could cut if
Speaker 1: you want. He's coming off a thousand yard season. I
Speaker 1: don't care. The Redskins need players that they can build around.
Speaker 1: And they seem like a team that actually, even though
Speaker 1: I'm not super into giving up a lot for Melvin
Speaker 1: Gordon paying a lot of money, they just seem like
Speaker 1: a team that would because Melvin Gordon's young and he's
Speaker 1: good and he can handle all three downs. You don't
Speaker 1: have anyone like that, but you're gonna pay him like
Speaker 1: a let's say, top three running back when you invested
Speaker 1: a second round picking guys, I mean Adrian Peterson is
Speaker 1: making has been is not someone they got to see
Speaker 1: what they have. Yeah, guys, is a late amid second
Speaker 1: who hasn't practiced fully as a pro yet. You've said
Speaker 1: on this podcast he's a three down back guy. I
Speaker 1: haven't healthy. He still hasn't been able to play like
Speaker 1: a full contact practice and stuff. So I'm counting out.
Speaker 1: So in two weeks he can practice again and then
Speaker 1: you But that's not something you don't really need help with.
Speaker 1: I disagree. I mean that is that love too? I mean,
Speaker 1: why are we think you get the owner on the phone,
Speaker 1: like Greg saying he's thinking, what can I Who can
Speaker 1: I put on the tickets? Who can I put on
Speaker 1: the programs? Doesn't seem like something the Redskins to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah it does. It doesn't have to be a good
Speaker 1: trade for them to do. Um, you want to do
Speaker 1: a quick speed round, real quick around. One more If
Speaker 1: anybody's got one, that's all I got I gotta think.
Speaker 1: I think Clowny to the Titans would make some sense
Speaker 1: to they desperately need a pass. What they trade him
Speaker 1: in their own division? It's a fair question. Um, I
Speaker 1: got a quick one. Um, Ryan Fitzpatrick on the move again.
Speaker 1: We just talked about Philly and Jacksonville, two teams that
Speaker 1: really need help a backup quarter. But will the compensation be?
Speaker 1: When Fit signed with the Dolphins, the depth chard was
Speaker 1: Jake Ruddock and Luke Falk all right, Uh, but then
Speaker 1: they made that nice Josh Rosen trade. What do you
Speaker 1: need the veteran gun slinger around for fifth? Doesn't make
Speaker 1: any sense? He all the really messed things up with
Speaker 1: the Fits magic. Uh, this is a team that should
Speaker 1: be taking a long look at an intriguing prospect like Rosen.
Speaker 1: So take Fits and send it to one of these
Speaker 1: contenders that really need some, um a security blanket behind
Speaker 1: their starters. I think it makes sense. Oh, you want
Speaker 1: a compensation sixth round pick? Und Maybe I got one
Speaker 1: just for gets and jiggles, Okay, just because I want
Speaker 1: to see. So. When Clowney got drafted number one, the
Speaker 1: debate was whether you should take Khalil Mack or Jadeveon Clowney.
Speaker 1: Let's reunite both of them on the Bears. Send Leonard
Speaker 1: Floyd in a third round pick to the Texans, and
Speaker 1: now we're cooking with fire. I like it. I have
Speaker 1: one to offer. You probably will not follow your rules,
Speaker 1: but it's I when I came up with it. It
Speaker 1: fills two teams needs and desires to the inth degree.
Speaker 1: And that's why I want you to listening before shoot
Speaker 1: it off and we close the show. What is it
Speaker 1: that the Texans miss right now? They miss front off,
Speaker 1: leadership and guidance. They are a ship afloat, and we'll
Speaker 1: see how that's working. What is it they wanted and
Speaker 1: they couldn't get. What is it that the team they
Speaker 1: tried to get it from could very much use? The
Speaker 1: Patriots could use Jadeveon Clowney. The Patriots are a super
Speaker 1: Bowl window one year, super Bowl window team that could
Speaker 1: say after this, if we blow the whole thing up,
Speaker 1: and the Texans they are they could get. The Texans
Speaker 1: have no way to hang on the Clowney. That's the
Speaker 1: way I see it. After this year, it's gotten acrimonious,
Speaker 1: he's out. The Patriots have no way to hang on
Speaker 1: to Nikissario. He's there for one year, he's essentially been
Speaker 1: held hostage, and he's out. He's gonna go to Houston.
Speaker 1: Clownie is gonna go somewhere else. The Patriots might as
Speaker 1: well say, at least we get something in theory in return.
Speaker 1: We give you Nikissario, you give us Jadevian Clowney were good.
Speaker 1: I know you're gonna laugh at it, but it makes sense.
Speaker 1: It is two teams that get what they absolutely need
Speaker 1: to breathe, especially for the Texans. You have no idea
Speaker 1: you're gonna get Cassario after this season. We don't know why.
Speaker 1: Why do we think that Nso is this genius? We
Speaker 1: don't have to the whole organism, The whole organization much
Speaker 1: better Issio than Bill O'Brien. We have no idea. You could.
Speaker 1: You could look at everything in the world that way.
Speaker 1: But that's but the Texans, we already know, have deep
Speaker 1: interest in Nikossario and got into the into a tampering
Speaker 1: snaff food because of it, and they're gonna go after
Speaker 1: him again. There's like maybe throwing like Dietrich Wise and
Speaker 1: Cassario for clowning. I like that. I like that. Still
Speaker 1: there they just wave back. I like that. I like that.
Speaker 1: That's good. I like that. Okay, I agree, I like it.
Speaker 1: Dan does not. I just think that Cassio stuff is
Speaker 1: a little bit overblown. Well, I mean, we're not you're
Speaker 1: not operating. This room is also a little bit on
Speaker 1: fire about the Bill O'Brien knows nothing. The train has
Speaker 1: left the station and I don't know where. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Brian the one that wants Cassario more than anyone. He's
Speaker 1: they got into the Clowney thing, Kno, because of Bill O'Brien.
Speaker 1: I think that's actually not how this assumption that the
Speaker 1: Texans are a house on fire. They are a housecaus
Speaker 1: they fired Brian gained and didn't come on. Well, how
Speaker 1: about the way they handled to Devan Clowney. They're getting
Speaker 1: pennies on the dollar for him now because they didn't
Speaker 1: do things in a timely man. That because the only
Speaker 1: way to get him, because well at least three insiders
Speaker 1: have said he's on the trade block, Mike Garifolo, Mike
Speaker 1: Lombardi and Um O'Brien or not John McClaine. But if
Speaker 1: you if you trade him or shop him before July,
Speaker 1: you can get real value back for him. But once
Speaker 1: that once he can't sign any more. What are you?
Speaker 1: What are you trying to The only other thing I'll
Speaker 1: say is that that the situation got complicated by an
Speaker 1: obvious riff between the coach and GM. The GM got fired.
Speaker 1: That probably did not I know, there was still a
Speaker 1: window where they could have gotten a deal done, but
Speaker 1: that was a bit of the organization was in a
Speaker 1: transition there, and then the Patriots shot all over their
Speaker 1: ability to kind of move on, uh in a I
Speaker 1: guess what you could say functional manner. I just I'm
Speaker 1: not ready to say that Texans are completely on fire
Speaker 1: right now because of the way. Look, that's the second
Speaker 1: gim that Bill O'Brien's had major issues with. Again, I
Speaker 1: think Bill O'Brien is a good coach, and maybe he'll
Speaker 1: be fine running the show upstairs for the season two,
Speaker 1: but he already has been inside the Patriots organization for
Speaker 1: years and knows what Bill Belichick and other people much
Speaker 1: smarter than running most teams think of Nikis Sarrio. So
Speaker 1: it's like, I think there's a lot of friends, it's
Speaker 1: a lot of historical trying to hire him, give him
Speaker 1: a nice contract and giving him a nice, big contract
Speaker 1: and also giving up one of your best players. It
Speaker 1: just seems like a lot of compensation if you're we're
Speaker 1: talking seriously about a player who probably won't play for
Speaker 1: the Texans this year at all at this point, and
Speaker 1: certainly won't play after this year. Playing this year, we're
Speaker 1: not hearing. If you're hearing that they're looking to trade him,
Speaker 1: something that is not going wean will. They have to
Speaker 1: find a partner for him to play, and he's not
Speaker 1: planning for more than one year. So like the idea
Speaker 1: that they knew that months ago. If he if he
Speaker 1: moves Clowney for a fifth round pick or something, I
Speaker 1: will not be defending O'Brien. I just I guess I
Speaker 1: just want to see how this all plays out. I
Speaker 1: would I would just say that you'd be happy with
Speaker 1: for him. I think you need to get at least
Speaker 1: the third rounder back at least, but it's probably a
Speaker 1: second for a player of Clowny's ability. And I know
Speaker 1: they boxed themselves in, but you know, a second rounder,
Speaker 1: I think you'd be you could live with. This is
Speaker 1: a roster that can crumble in a hurry. There is
Speaker 1: not much to look forward to. Beyond two thousand nine,
Speaker 1: and I think you're talking about You said, what else
Speaker 1: is Bill O'Brien dunn? Well, they have guards coming around
Speaker 1: of their ears and nobody who can play tackle. They
Speaker 1: just keep drafting guards tweener tackles over and over again
Speaker 1: and and moving them inside the guard. This roster is
Speaker 1: in bad shape going forward. Um, all right, there'll be
Speaker 1: a fun team to track this year, won't they. Ladies
Speaker 1: and gentlemen be and gentlemen, well, ladies is there too? Hey,
Speaker 1: what's your thoughts on Ricky? I don't know. You guys
Speaker 1: are screaming a lot. Got me kind of worked up
Speaker 1: back here. Okay, that's not a good sign. All right, Um,
Speaker 1: we'll be back on Friday now again, I am on
Speaker 1: call for jury duty, and so far in Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: the City of Los Angeles has said, zeuser not needed.
Speaker 1: You don't need to handle any crime situations right now.
Speaker 1: We don't need. I can't believe they haven't pulled into there,
Speaker 1: into the actual downtown place. I've never heard of anything
Speaker 1: like downtown, your downtowntown downtown big house where O J
Speaker 1: O J went down. So three days in I have
Speaker 1: to call in two more times, and I might I
Speaker 1: might just get away with this, but I also might
Speaker 1: get called called in for Friday. Um, but just know
Speaker 1: that we have a special guest coming on Friday. And
Speaker 1: also if I'm here, I should say there will be
Speaker 1: the hot butt power rankings will be dropped, ranking all
Speaker 1: the head coaches from the safest. Then you can imagine
Speaker 1: who was at the top of that list. H to
Speaker 1: the one that you hear right now. I think if
Speaker 1: you listen to the voice, you can even tell maybe
Speaker 1: where did you find this drop or did you record
Speaker 1: this job? This is real, This is scary, all right.
Speaker 1: So that's what's coming up on Friday. Maybe. All right,
Speaker 1: let's get at hey, Colleen, he did it, Yeah, no
Speaker 1: problem anytime. Man, you did a great job. But you
Speaker 1: said it all and it's great to have you back.
Speaker 1: I'm finally doing this thing. I'm gonna kill Ricky, all right.
Speaker 1: Dan Hads is signing off our quiet storm, the Mailman,
Speaker 1: the tiny Box, the old Moss, and rick until Friday.