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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Dory with you,

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Speaker 2: Jim du Genio with us. Jim, what do you think

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Speaker 2: the significant was of replacing the brain of President Kennedy?

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Speaker 3: Well, if you add up all the witnesses okay, I

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Speaker 3: think there's thirteen of them on the record, they'll tell

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Speaker 3: you that it was. It was a severely damaged specimen.

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Speaker 3: And I believe that the main reason was that they

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Speaker 3: wanted to conceal all the damage to be hit his head, Okay,

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Speaker 3: which I believe and other physicians I talked to about this, Agreen,

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Speaker 3: that'll probably show more than one bullet struck Kennedy, you know,

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Speaker 3: in the skull. That's the significance of it. I believe.

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Speaker 2: You might be right about that. In yes, let me

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Speaker 2: ask you a question about Oswald. I've got my doubts

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Speaker 2: over whether he was part of the assassination. But the

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Speaker 2: one thing I can't figure out is the JD. Tippett

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Speaker 2: police officer murder that so many people say Oswald did.

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Speaker 2: What do you think of that?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, if you take a look at the

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Speaker 3: timing factor, of when Oswald was supposed to have left

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Speaker 3: the rooming house on Beckley Street to the distance which

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Speaker 3: is almost a mile the tent and patent, okay, which

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Speaker 3: is where the shooting took place. I have a very

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Speaker 3: hard time believing that Oswald could have negotiated that distance,

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Speaker 3: you know, in the time that you know that most

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Speaker 3: of the witnesses say that the tipp At murder took place.

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Speaker 3: You know, That's that's one problem, you know. And then

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Speaker 3: there's another thing about the shells not matching the bullets, Okay.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's there's there's a difference in that there's

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Speaker 3: more shells from one company than there are bullets, you know,

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Speaker 3: from from that same company, all right, and so those

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Speaker 3: don't add up, okay. And there's a lot of witnesses

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Speaker 3: who were silenced, like a Killer Clemens, who was one

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Speaker 3: of the best witnesses, and she said that they were

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Speaker 3: two men involved in the in the murder of Tippet. Okay.

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Speaker 3: So you know, I think there's a lot of problems

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Speaker 3: with the one commission case, you know, that of Oswald,

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Speaker 3: you know, shooting JD. Tippet, you know, so you know,

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Speaker 3: we can go on and on on this because's uh,

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Speaker 3: there's there's so many problems with that case, you know.

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Speaker 3: Then you know his there were fingerprints that were developed

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Speaker 3: off the car and they weren't Oswald's, Okay, you know,

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Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: And wasn't the reporter Dorothy Kilgallen, who may have been

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Speaker 2: killed over this, wasn't she ready to go with a

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Speaker 2: big story?

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Speaker 3: Well? She, according to a lot of sources that she

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Speaker 3: did have, she was collecting a file you know, on

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Speaker 3: the case, and one of the last things she said

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Speaker 3: after going down to New Orleans is that I'm going

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Speaker 3: to break this case if it's the last thing that

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Speaker 3: I do, you know, And you know, to give her

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Speaker 3: a lot of credit there, there were very very in fact,

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Speaker 3: I can't think of anybody else, you know who in

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Speaker 3: the MSM. And she was part of the MSM, you

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Speaker 3: know who wrote as many stories as she did concerning

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Speaker 3: concerning the JFK case.

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Speaker 2: She even had a chance to interview Jack Ruby, right, she.

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Speaker 3: Was down at the trial, okay, and her and the

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Speaker 3: lawyers you know Belli, you know, uh, and there was

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Speaker 3: another guy, can't remember his name. They let her interview

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Speaker 3: Ruby for a few minutes.

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Speaker 2: Yes, there was a petty officer from the Navy. Her

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Speaker 2: name was Sandy Spencer, who developed some film. Tell me

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Speaker 2: about her importance in all.

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Speaker 3: Of this, Sandy Spencers, and this is an incredible story

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Speaker 3: which he surfaced because of the Review Board, if you

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Speaker 3: can believe it. Sandy Spencer was never mentioned in the

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Speaker 3: one Commission, and I don't think she was even talked

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Speaker 3: about by the House Select Committee. You know. Her name

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Speaker 3: only came up, you know, in the span of the

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Speaker 3: Review Board nineteen ninety four to nineteen ninety eight. She

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Speaker 3: told them that she saw pictures of jail of K's

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Speaker 3: autopsy that did not look like the official pictures. But

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Speaker 3: she was a photo processor at the Anacostia Photographic Center,

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Speaker 3: which was the Pentagon Center, okay, and that did not

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Speaker 3: the pictures that she saw of him in that condition,

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Speaker 3: there was a brain in the foreground. Okay, you know,

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Speaker 3: I mean Jeremy Gunn, who was the chief counsel of

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Speaker 3: the of the review told Hoorn, who was cooperating with

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Speaker 3: him on the medical evidence, that he thought Sandy Spencer

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Speaker 3: was the most important witness and the best witness that

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Speaker 2: Okay, is she still alive or did she pass No,

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Speaker 2: she passed away.

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Speaker 3: She passed away. Believe me, if she was still alive,

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Speaker 3: I'd recommend you get her on.

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Speaker 2: His show, and we would, and we would. This is

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Speaker 2: just truly amazing. And we're coming up on sixty years, Jim,

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Speaker 2: sixty hours since has happened.

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Speaker 3: It's only four months, four or five months, that's it,

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Speaker 3: you until it's sixty years.

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Speaker 2: Weren't there other places that they tried to kill Kennedy.

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Speaker 3: In the film? We tried to do something on this, okay,

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Speaker 3: and the fact that there were there seemed to be

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Speaker 3: strong evidence that there were previous assassinateation attempts on JFK.

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Speaker 3: All right, and one of them, okay, was in Tampa, Okay,

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Speaker 3: one of them was in Chicago, all right, and there

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Speaker 3: was probably another one in Miami, which we did. We

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Speaker 3: you measure up this evidence, and the most the most

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Speaker 3: evidence we have on those is the Chicago plot, which

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Speaker 3: I'm sure you've talked about on your show. That that

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Speaker 3: very much if you study that. What's so strange about

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Speaker 3: that so almost incredible to be that the outlines of

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Speaker 3: that plot, the design seemed to resemble what happened in Dallas.

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Speaker 3: That you have the the limousine getting off an expressway

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Speaker 3: ramp going by a tall building. You have the guy

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Speaker 3: who was probably going to be the designated patch in Chicago,

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Speaker 3: a guy named Arthur Bley, you know, who was supposed

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Speaker 3: that was very similar to Oswald's. Okay, that he was

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Speaker 3: before that, he was stationed on a base that housed

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Speaker 3: the U two. You know, to these all be just coincidences,

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Speaker 3: you know, all right, and we're supposed to be What

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Speaker 3: the landlady saw was a group of Cuban exiles to

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Speaker 3: who was who had rifles with them? Okay, and she

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Speaker 3: reported them to the FBI. And that's one of the

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Speaker 3: reasons that the plot was uncovered, all right. So but

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Speaker 3: it was covered up. This wasn't the first week in November.

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Speaker 3: I believe November the third. All right. If this wouldn't

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Speaker 3: Dallas could have happened because there were so many similarities

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Speaker 3: between the two quats. I've always said about this, this

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Speaker 3: whole confluence of these assassination attempts, that net result is

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Speaker 3: this Kennedy was not getting out of nineteen sixty three.

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Speaker 3: They were going to do it one way or the other,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they weren't going to stop.

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Speaker 3: Right, It's not going to stop until he succeed. Okay,

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Speaker 3: That's essentially what it was.

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Speaker 2: And one of the things they wanted to do was

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Speaker 2: to shut down Bobby Kennedy, and they did that by killing.

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Speaker 3: John Yes, you know that was if you if you

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Speaker 3: saw the film, we had David Chalbott talk about this,

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Speaker 3: you know, and Bobby Kennedy, I guess you could say,

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Speaker 3: was the first critic of the official story because on

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Speaker 3: the day of the assassination, he calls up John McCone,

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Speaker 3: the director of the CIA at the time, and he says,

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Speaker 3: were your guys involved in his horror? All right? Then

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Speaker 3: he calls in one of the Cuban exiles, Kerry Luise,

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Speaker 3: this thing. And then of course, yeah, yeah, I totally

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Speaker 3: believed that that he knew that the Oswald thing was

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Speaker 3: a cover story. But then Jaeger Hooper once, once Bob,

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Speaker 3: once JFK was dead, Jaggar Hoover now did not have

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Speaker 3: to listen to any Bobby Kennedy said, and he ripped

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Speaker 3: out his private line into his office like a week

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Speaker 3: he can that Bobby Kennedy would have had where the

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Speaker 3: FBI investigation was now gone. Now, one of the most

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Speaker 3: interesting things about this, and I'm sure you're familiar with

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Speaker 3: this story you're about to tell you, is that a

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Speaker 3: few days after the assassination, Bobby Kennedy left the message

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Speaker 3: for William Walton, who was going on a culture ambassadorship

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Speaker 3: So when Walton got there, Bobby Kennedy and Jackie Kennedy

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Speaker 3: were sitting at the dining room table, you know, and

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Speaker 3: they had composed letters meant to go to the Kremlin

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Speaker 3: there to this George Bolshakov guy. Bobby Kennedy knew, and

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Speaker 3: the essence to the letters was although but he's saying,

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Speaker 3: Lee Harvey Oswald was responsible for this. We know that

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Speaker 3: this was a large domestic conspiracy, all right. We also

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Speaker 3: know that, unlike with President Kennedy, you will not be

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Speaker 3: able to continue you're a taunt with Lyndon Johnson because

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Speaker 3: he is much to behold into big business for you.

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Speaker 1: To do that.

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Speaker 3: But very shortly I will resign as Attorney General. I

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Speaker 3: will then run for office. Then I will go get

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Speaker 3: it run for the presidency. And at that time we

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Speaker 3: were able to continue the work that my brother and

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's how smart Bobby Kennedy was. Can you

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Speaker 3: believe that you know, to be able to predict all

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Speaker 3: that stuff and it he knew, he knew, Yeah, yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 2: When you put together destiny betrayorried about Jim Garrison. What

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Speaker 2: led Garrison, Jim to try to find out what was

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Speaker 3: Well, because what happened is that in New Orleans, Okay.

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Speaker 3: And it's incredible to this got left out in the

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Speaker 3: one Commission, but it did. You know. The thing that

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Speaker 3: struck Garrison is, if we Harvey Oswald is supposed to

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Speaker 3: be a communist, why is he hanging out with all

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Speaker 3: of these Cuban exiles, you know, who want to see

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Speaker 3: Castro overturned all right in Cuba, handing.

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Speaker 2: Out leaflets fair play for Cuba.

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Speaker 3: Why is he hanging out with these Cuban exiles and

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Speaker 3: why is he why is he stamping this five four

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Speaker 3: Camp Street When in fact, when Garrison went down there,

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Speaker 3: you know, he discovers that, wait a minute, did the

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Speaker 3: minister had his office? They'll act as address. So why

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Speaker 3: does a supposed communists have all these conservative, right wing

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Speaker 3: kind of you know, ties to people that he shouldn't

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Speaker 3: be going near, okay. And so the more he dug

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Speaker 3: was really what you call in the trade an ogen provocateur,

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Speaker 3: you know, somebody who was faking, you know, being a communist.

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Speaker 3: But he was really some kind of a government agent.

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Speaker 3: And that's of course one of the whole keystones of

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Speaker 3: the JFK case. You know, Yeah, the CIA essentially set

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Speaker 2: Do you think Oswald knew what was happening.

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Speaker 3: I think he realized very quickly what was happening, all right.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's why he when he when he

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Speaker 3: Now I'm sitting all about the famous call to I

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Speaker 3: think his name was William Hurt. Okay, No, John Hurt.

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Speaker 3: On Saturday, John Hurt. Right, on Saturday night, Oswald tried

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Speaker 3: to make a phone call to John Hurt in North Carolina. Okay.

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Speaker 3: John Hurt was a former military for sure. Okay. Oswald

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Speaker 3: wrote down his name and his phone number and gave

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Speaker 3: is a phone call that he wanted to mink. His

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Speaker 3: secret service took a look at this, and they vetoed

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Speaker 3: the phone call but one of the secretaries took the

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Speaker 3: that on Saturday night Oswald was trying to contact this guy. Now,

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Speaker 3: how on earth, George, how on earth did he know

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Speaker 1: It is?

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Speaker 2: And on when he came out on film and said

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Speaker 2: he was a patsy, don't we have voice stress analysis

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Speaker 2: equipment available today, Jim to analyze that to see if

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Speaker 2: he was lying or not with that one word.

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Speaker 3: Somebody already, somebody already did it. There was a guy

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Speaker 3: named a Tool okay who wrote a book about that subject,

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Speaker 3: and he took the PSC all right. He went ahead

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Speaker 3: and measured that statement, and he said that Oswald was

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