WEBVTT - James Patterson’s Authorship Operation Welcomes Viola Davis and MrBeast  

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<v Speaker 1>Along came an influencer. How America's best selling writer became

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<v Speaker 1>Mister Beast's co author after decades top the thriller game,

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<v Speaker 1>James Patterson is fending off waning sales by doubling down

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<v Speaker 1>on collaborations and dabbling in romanticy io by Waheeni Vara

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<v Speaker 1>read Aloud by Mark Leedorf. A couple of years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>James Patterson stopped by the University of Iowa Writers Workshop,

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<v Speaker 1>the graduate program Flannery O'Connor and Dennis Johnson once attended.

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<v Speaker 1>Having established himself as one of the world's best selling

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<v Speaker 1>authors while bypassing every convention of highbrow literature, Patterson had

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<v Speaker 1>quietly become the workshop's biggest patron, helping writers attend at

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<v Speaker 1>no cost. Lan Samantha Chang, the novelist who directs the workshop,

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<v Speaker 1>says that without Patterson's support, the program would have to

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<v Speaker 1>choose between drastically cutting the number of students or no

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<v Speaker 1>longer offering equal financial aid to each. Patterson's only request

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<v Speaker 1>was that he be saves his beneficiary's writing for his

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<v Speaker 1>reading pleasure. An Instagram post from the visit shows him

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<v Speaker 1>wearing rumpel jeans and a read band books, sweatshirt. He

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<v Speaker 1>mostly cracked jokes and told stories, but he also gently

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<v Speaker 1>urged the students to consider what their audience wanted. They

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<v Speaker 1>responded warmly to his delight and surprise. I was at

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<v Speaker 1>a reception where the students lined up and talked to

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<v Speaker 1>him one on one. Chang recalls people were saying things like,

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<v Speaker 1>my mom.

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<v Speaker 2>Just loves your work.

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<v Speaker 1>Patterson, who as of this spring has been publishing for

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<v Speaker 1>a half century, built his career on an apparent paradox.

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<v Speaker 1>He became one of the most commercially successful authors of

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<v Speaker 1>all time, with a body of work that even fans

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<v Speaker 1>poke fun at. It was bad, but not half as

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<v Speaker 1>bad as I'd expected. One Reddit comet reads another skips

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<v Speaker 1>the niceties. Patterson reads like a thirteen year old on Riddlin.

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<v Speaker 1>Even people who have worked closely with him will announce

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<v Speaker 1>that they don't enjoy his work, as if to avoid

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<v Speaker 1>esthetic guilt by association. It was paint by numbers, says

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah Crichton, his publisher from nineteen ninety six to two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and one at Little Brown, now a division of

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<v Speaker 1>Hashet Book Group. But if Patterson's name is sometimes a punchline,

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<v Speaker 1>He's been in on the joke. His innovation was always

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<v Speaker 1>less about careful craftsmanship than about turning out a high

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<v Speaker 1>volume of plot centric and passibly enjoyable material. Denise Roy,

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<v Speaker 1>Patterson's editor, says, some writer friends have told her she's

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<v Speaker 1>become a less patient.

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<v Speaker 2>Reader over time.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, yeah, well, Jim probably taught me that, She says,

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<v Speaker 1>if you can't get right into the story, people probably

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<v Speaker 1>aren't going to keep reading. Patterson turns seventy nine this

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<v Speaker 1>year and still publishes a book or two a month.

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<v Speaker 1>He maintains this pace famously with a lot of help.

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<v Speaker 1>For most projects, he'll compose an extensive outline, sometimes running

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<v Speaker 1>to one hundred plus pages, then turn it over to

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<v Speaker 1>a co author who expands it into a full fledged manuscript.

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<v Speaker 1>David Shelley, chief executive officer of Hashett, compares Patterson to

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<v Speaker 1>the visual artists Jeff Cohons and Andy Warhol, both also

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<v Speaker 1>known for churning out ideas and having others do much

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<v Speaker 1>of the labor. Like Coons, a former Wall Street broker,

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<v Speaker 1>Patterson has business roots. While starting out as an author,

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<v Speaker 1>he made his living in advertising, eventually becoming the youngest

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<v Speaker 1>CEO of the global agency J Walter Thompson's North American operation.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing I love about the publishing business is that

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<v Speaker 1>it's this intersection of creativity and commerce, and Jim is

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<v Speaker 1>the perfect embodiment of that, Shelley says. In a way,

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<v Speaker 1>the story of Patterson's five decade career is the story

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<v Speaker 1>of US publishing, of tensions and trends playing out as

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<v Speaker 1>profit driven multinationals and investment firms gradually took over traditional publishers. Hashette,

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<v Speaker 1>part of the French conglomerate La Gardere, has itself acquired

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<v Speaker 1>a number of smaller publishing companies in recent years. On

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<v Speaker 1>earnings calls, the corporate parents brag about their biggest sellers,

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<v Speaker 1>not their Pulletzer or Booker prize winners. Success in modern

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<v Speaker 1>publishing is defined as exactly the thing at which Patterson

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<v Speaker 1>has excelled, selling tons of copies. Patterson's nearly four hundred

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<v Speaker 1>books have accounted for more than four hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five million copies sold worldwide. Within the US, he's the

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<v Speaker 1>top selling author of at least the past two decades,

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<v Speaker 1>according to the book Scan service of market research provider Sircana.

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<v Speaker 1>In online forums, librarians and booksellers sometimes complain that his

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<v Speaker 1>output is so prolific it crowds out more literary work.

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<v Speaker 1>For Patterson, the lack of high brow appeal seems like

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<v Speaker 1>both a point of pride and a source of defensiveness.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the thing that best selling authors do, he says,

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<v Speaker 1>we actually get people coming into bookstores.

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<v Speaker 2>But here's the plot twist.

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<v Speaker 1>In recent years, Patterson's sales have dropped off, surpassed by

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<v Speaker 1>those of Rebecca Yarro's and other younger female authors. Celebrities

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<v Speaker 1>from outside the book world, Prince Harry, ru Paul have

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<v Speaker 1>also put out high profile titles that overshadowed career author's

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<v Speaker 1>work in the press and on bestseller lists. And so

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<v Speaker 1>after pioneering a publishing ecosystem that treated authors as name

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<v Speaker 1>brands and farmed out sentence level craft to lower profile collaborators,

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<v Speaker 1>Patterson is doubling down on a gambit he's dabbled in

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<v Speaker 1>for nearly a decade, teaming up with some of the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest celebrities in the world and taking on the role

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<v Speaker 1>of less recognized name himself. I visited Patterson at his

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<v Speaker 1>mansion in Palm Beach, Florida, in December to learn both

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<v Speaker 1>how he'd pulled off his decades long domination of the

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<v Speaker 1>bestseller rankings and whether he'd be able to renew it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm an author, myself, an Iowa Writer's Workshop graduate. But

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<v Speaker 1>even though my three books have gotten critical praise, one

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<v Speaker 1>was even a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize, Patterson has

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<v Speaker 1>outsold me more than ten thousandfold. Standing at his door,

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<v Speaker 1>I estimated that my house could fit comfortably on his

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<v Speaker 1>driveway alone. When the door opened, his publicist shuttled me upstairs,

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<v Speaker 1>passed a tower of Patterson titles and a stylized painting

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<v Speaker 1>of a row of Patterson's spines. He met me a

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<v Speaker 1>few minutes later in his office, overlooking the ocean. Thick

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<v Speaker 1>stacks of paper lined the lower shelves of his bookcases,

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<v Speaker 1>each topped by a blue sheet with the name of

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<v Speaker 1>a published or forthcoming project, outlines and drafts.

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<v Speaker 2>He explained.

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<v Speaker 1>A basket labeled ideas held pages and pages covered in tiny,

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<v Speaker 1>barely legible handwriting. Those were notes for future books, which

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<v Speaker 1>he flashed in my direction for a few seconds, then

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<v Speaker 1>covered up possessively. I asked if I could take a

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<v Speaker 1>picture of a page. No, because then it'll all be

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<v Speaker 1>out there and people will steal fifty of my ideas,

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<v Speaker 1>he said. It wasn't clear if he was joking. People

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<v Speaker 1>had told me about a down to earth sense of humor,

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<v Speaker 1>but they'd also mentioned a prickly self protectiveness. Maybe the

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<v Speaker 1>partnerships at him feeling especially invested in delivering original plots.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty eighteen, Patterson collaborated with Bill Clinton on the

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<v Speaker 1>thriller The President Is Missing, which became a huge hit.

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<v Speaker 1>Since then, he's done two more Clinton collaborations and one

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<v Speaker 1>with Dolly Parton. When I visited, he was finishing up

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<v Speaker 1>novels co authored with the actor Viola Davis and the

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<v Speaker 1>influencer Mister Beast, set to publish in March and September, respectively,

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<v Speaker 1>With line by line authorship back in Patterson's hands. He

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<v Speaker 1>told me, perhaps strategically, that he'd renewed his attention to

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<v Speaker 1>craft for the last couple of years. The books, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>they are what they are, but I think they're better,

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<v Speaker 1>he said. He regards his novel with Davis Judge Stone

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<v Speaker 1>out on March ninth, as his most accomplished yet. His

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<v Speaker 1>publicist described it as a literary work. Patterson also revealed

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<v Speaker 1>to me that he and his wife Sue had funneled

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<v Speaker 1>more than two hundred and twenty million dollars, about a

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<v Speaker 1>third of their wealth, into charitable giving, focusing on support

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<v Speaker 1>for authors, readers, teachers, students, booksellers, and librarians. The Iowa

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<v Speaker 1>Writers Workshop funding was part of that. It was as if,

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<v Speaker 1>having spent his career outsourcing the crafting of his books,

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<v Speaker 1>Patterson was campaigning to be recognized for his contribution to literature.

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<v Speaker 1>One person who's worked with him and asked not to

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<v Speaker 1>be identified to avoid professional repercussions, says he goes back

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<v Speaker 1>and forth between dismissing literary writers as not for a

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<v Speaker 1>popular audience and then wanting to be seen as a

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<v Speaker 1>literary writer because he feels somewhat ghettoized as a pulp writer.

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<v Speaker 1>Patterson's warring qualities can be traced partly to his childhood

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<v Speaker 1>in Newburgh, New York. His father, Charles, grew up in

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<v Speaker 1>the basement of the local poorhouse. Charles's mother worked as

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<v Speaker 1>its charwoman. Charles dreamed of being a writer, but instead,

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<v Speaker 1>after college, went off to fight in World War II.

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<v Speaker 1>When he returned, he married a devoutly Catholic school teacher

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<v Speaker 1>and took unromantic jobs driving a bread truck, selling insurance

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<v Speaker 1>while drinking too much. The couple had four kids, James,

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<v Speaker 1>Jimmy back then followed by three girls. Patterson's father was

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<v Speaker 1>harsh and competitive with his son. Once a year he

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<v Speaker 1>challenged James to a race, always winning, until finally, James

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<v Speaker 1>later recalled, I was going to kick his butt, and

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<v Speaker 1>he just kind of elbowed me off the road. Both

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<v Speaker 1>parents demanded much of him. The idea I had growing up,

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<v Speaker 1>and I held on to it into my forties, was

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<v Speaker 1>that my folks only cared about me as long as

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<v Speaker 1>I was number one in my class, he writes at

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<v Speaker 1>his memoir. James would wander the woods alone, inventing escapist

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<v Speaker 1>war and sports stories. At one point, he learned that

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<v Speaker 1>the founder of the New York Daily News shared his

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<v Speaker 1>last name, and imagined the man showing up in a

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<v Speaker 1>limousine to spirit him off to the city. Instead, he

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<v Speaker 1>got himself to New York by winning a full scholarship

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<v Speaker 1>to Manhattan College, where he studied English literature. During summers,

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<v Speaker 1>he would work as an aide at McLean Hospital, a

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<v Speaker 1>in psychiatric institution near Boston. He was captivated by the

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<v Speaker 1>personalities he met there and by the twenty five cent

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<v Speaker 1>used paperbacks he'd pick up in Cambridge and read during

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<v Speaker 1>his shifts. He gravitated to serious literature James Joyce, Henry James,

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<v Speaker 1>and began trying to write some of his own. After

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<v Speaker 1>graduating in nineteen sixty nine, he entered an English doctoral

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<v Speaker 1>program at Vanderbilt University, where his fiction impressed a professor

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<v Speaker 1>named Walter Sullivan, a novelist who'd studied with Flannery O'Connor

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<v Speaker 1>at the Iowa Writer's Workshop. I needed that kind of encouragement,

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<v Speaker 1>Patterson told me. He decided to leave Vanderbilt after a year,

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<v Speaker 1>submitting a fiction manuscript to earn his master's degree. But

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<v Speaker 1>when Patterson shared it with his father, Charles dismissed it

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<v Speaker 1>as immature. It was like a boy standing next to

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<v Speaker 1>a puddle at midnight and urinating, Charles said in a

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<v Speaker 1>New York Magazine profile of his son. The assessment was accurate,

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<v Speaker 1>Patterson says, but still a little cruel. The manuscript, one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and twenty one page collection of linked stories, sits

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<v Speaker 1>in Vanderbilt's library archives. It's never been published or written about.

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<v Speaker 1>Before my visit to Palm Beach, I had requested a

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<v Speaker 1>copy and opened it, expecting to find seeds of the pulp.

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<v Speaker 1>Writer Patterson became simple plots, familiar language characters with the

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<v Speaker 1>complexity of stick figures. Instead, I encountered a moving and original,

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<v Speaker 1>if slightly unpolished, work of literature. The main character, Jeffrey Candor,

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<v Speaker 1>is a working class kid who's on the edge of

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<v Speaker 1>adulthood and at war with himself. A former altar boy,

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<v Speaker 1>he craves a simple life close to nature and spiritual wisdom,

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<v Speaker 1>but his worldly ambition and an uncanny ability to manipulate

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<v Speaker 1>people and situations in its service, as a girlfriend puts, it,

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<v Speaker 1>keeps getting in his way. The language is as poetic

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<v Speaker 1>as it is unpretentious. The boy was chewing on a

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<v Speaker 1>tutsie roll and his father was sucking a cigarette he

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<v Speaker 1>was about to light or eat. Reads one characteristically evocative line.

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<v Speaker 1>That story has Jeffrey getting involved in a hoodlum uncle's

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<v Speaker 1>plot to steal a piano. He's trying to shed his

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<v Speaker 1>altar boy identity. In a modern Patterson tale, the piano

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<v Speaker 1>theft would either succeed or be foiled. In this one, delightfully,

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<v Speaker 1>the plot is itself a plot. The ending suggests that

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<v Speaker 1>the uncle never planned to steal a piano at all,

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<v Speaker 1>He just needed help buying one. Jeffrey realizes he's neither

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<v Speaker 1>a gangster nor an altar boy, though he remains at

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<v Speaker 1>a loss for what else to be. At Patterson's house

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<v Speaker 1>in Palm Beach, I pulled the thesis from my back pack

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<v Speaker 1>and slid it across the table to him. I'm curious,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, putting a hand on it. I'd opened it

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<v Speaker 1>to a passage I found deeply affecting about Jeffrey falling

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<v Speaker 1>short of his mother's expectations. Patterson looked at it for

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<v Speaker 1>a few long seconds, then pushed it back to me. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I won't read it right now, he said, promising he

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<v Speaker 1>would later.

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<v Speaker 2>Instead.

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<v Speaker 1>It's too much, I suggested, Yeah, he said, his voice

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<v Speaker 1>a bit too loud, he deflected with a quip. So

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<v Speaker 1>I could have been a writer. After Vanderbilt. In nineteen seventy,

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<v Speaker 1>Patterson returned to New York, moving into a cheap hotel

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<v Speaker 1>in Hell's Kitchen. He'd been trying to sell his fiction

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<v Speaker 1>to magazines, but no one bit. He'd heard that writers

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<v Speaker 1>could get work drafting copy for the advertising firm Jay

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<v Speaker 1>Walter Thompson, so he showed up the headquarters with the

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<v Speaker 1>portfolio he'd put together, then kept returning week after week

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<v Speaker 1>until the firm hired him. That year, Gabrielle Garcia Marquez's

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<v Speaker 1>One Hundred Years of Solitude was published in English. Reading it,

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<v Speaker 1>Patterson felt both thrilled and intimidated. It occurred to me

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<v Speaker 1>that I wouldn't I couldn't write anything this good. He

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<v Speaker 1>told me, so, I said so. I said, well, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to write a pretty good book, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't care about writing for snobs.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>A couple of pulpier hits had come out around then,

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<v Speaker 1>the Day of The Jackal the Exorcist, and Patterson liked

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<v Speaker 1>them enough, so I said, maybe I could write something

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<v Speaker 1>like that. It was decided then he'd try writing a thriller.

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<v Speaker 1>He drafted the attempt with pencil and paper at his

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<v Speaker 1>kitchen counter, putting in a couple of hours each morning

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<v Speaker 1>before work and a couple more afterward. When he finished it.

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<v Speaker 1>Thirty one publishers rejected the manuscript before Little.

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<v Speaker 2>Brown said yes.

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<v Speaker 1>The Thomas Berryman Number, published in nineteen seventy six, won

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<v Speaker 1>an Edgar Award, the highest American honor for mystery and

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<v Speaker 1>crime writing, but didn't sell particularly well. After that, Patterson

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<v Speaker 1>told me, I said, oh, I think I'll try to

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<v Speaker 1>go make a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 2>I asked if he meant that again.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't tell if he was kidding f Yes, he

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<v Speaker 1>said he'd wanted a ticket out of advertising. He wrote

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<v Speaker 1>three more novels in the next four years, all far

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<v Speaker 1>pulpier than the first, but those two didn't sell many copies.

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<v Speaker 1>Patterson's girl friend at the time was a generous, upbeat

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<v Speaker 1>woman named Jane Blanchard, who helped him see himself after

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<v Speaker 1>a childhood marked by his father's harshness.

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<v Speaker 2>As were worthy of love. Jane totally saved me.

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<v Speaker 1>Patterson writes in his memoir, She turned me around. One

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<v Speaker 1>day they were at the post office when Blanchard had

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<v Speaker 1>a seizure. Doctors found a malignant brain tumor. Patterson began

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<v Speaker 1>helping care for her, but her cancer couldn't be cured.

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<v Speaker 1>He was at work when he got a call from

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<v Speaker 1>Blanchard's sister telling him the end seemed near. He rushed

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<v Speaker 1>to the hospital, a scene he recalls in the most

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<v Speaker 1>affecting section of his memoir. When she heard me whispering

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<v Speaker 1>up against her cheek, she squeezed my hand twice, he writes,

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<v Speaker 1>then she was gone. Ten minutes had passed since he arrived.

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<v Speaker 1>For a year after Blanchard's death, Patterson couldn't write. He

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<v Speaker 1>threw himself into advertising instead, racing up his agency's ranks.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen eighty eight, he became the North American.

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<v Speaker 2>CEO of J.

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<v Speaker 1>Walter Thompson, having helped compose lyrics for several of the

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<v Speaker 1>most famous jingles of the nineteen eighties, including I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>Toys r us Kid and Aren't You Hungry for Burger King,

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<v Speaker 1>but novels remained his calling. He soon put out another

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<v Speaker 1>couple of pulpy thrillers with underwhelming sales, along with a

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<v Speaker 1>co written non fiction book about public opinion. Then he

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<v Speaker 1>decided to start approaching publishing the way he'd approached advertising

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<v Speaker 1>as a business. More or less, We'll be right back

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<v Speaker 1>with Along Came an Influencer. How America's best selling writer

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<v Speaker 1>became mister Beast's co author Welcome Back to Along Came

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<v Speaker 1>an influencer. How America's best selling writer became mister Beast's

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<v Speaker 1>co author. With his next novel, Along Came a Spider,

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<v Speaker 1>Patterson put pressure on Little Brown by getting his agent

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<v Speaker 1>to first drum up excitement in Hollywood. The following week,

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<v Speaker 1>he had bids from four parties. Little Brown won out

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<v Speaker 1>with a one million dollar offer for the book and

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<v Speaker 1>a sequel. Patterson took over marketing for the novel, too,

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<v Speaker 1>getting designers at Jay Walter Thompson to create ate the

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<v Speaker 1>cover a spider dangling from the title over a lonely

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<v Speaker 1>looking house, and persuading Little Brown to run a two

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<v Speaker 1>week TV ad campaign, whose copy he wrote himself. When

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<v Speaker 1>the book came out in nineteen ninety three, it landed

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<v Speaker 1>at number nine on the New York Times Hardcover Fiction

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<v Speaker 1>bestseller List. It would evolve into Patterson's perpetually best selling

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<v Speaker 1>Alex Cross Detective series. In nineteen ninety six, after a

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<v Speaker 1>few more novels, Patterson quit his day job to write

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<v Speaker 1>and promote his books full time. He would have really

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<v Speaker 1>tacky book. Jackets Crichton, his publisher at the time, recalls,

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<v Speaker 1>I was such a snob. I would say, uugh, this

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<v Speaker 1>is the worst thing I've ever seen. But if it's

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<v Speaker 1>in the airport and people are looking for a fast,

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<v Speaker 1>wild ride on their airplane ride, they would pick it up.

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<v Speaker 1>Crichton remembers Patterson as demanding, asking for a full time

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<v Speaker 1>staff for his books at Little Brown, and shouting at

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<v Speaker 1>junior publicist and marketers, mostly young women, in apparent frustration.

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<v Speaker 1>Patterson says he doesn't remember insisting on a staff, and

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<v Speaker 1>yet Crichton acknowledges Patterson's business instincts were impeccable. In the

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<v Speaker 1>late nineties, he proposed writing more than one book a

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<v Speaker 1>year to expand his audience. Crichton argued that he'd cannibalize

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<v Speaker 1>his own sales. Michael Peach, Patterson's editor at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>recalls Patterson countering, Michael, when you put down a book

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<v Speaker 1>that you just liked, you don't say, oh good, I

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<v Speaker 1>get to wait a year until I read the next book.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to read the next book right away. They

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<v Speaker 1>tried it and sales rose. Later, facing weak sales with

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<v Speaker 1>women and West Coast readers, Crichton recalls Patterson proposed Women's

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<v Speaker 1>Murder Club, a series set in San Francisco with female protagonists.

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<v Speaker 1>Patterson remembers it somewhat differently. He says he chose San

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<v Speaker 1>Francisco not in response to sales, but because he thought

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<v Speaker 1>it would be fun. Crichton says She thought the move

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<v Speaker 1>would come across as two orchestrated, but eventually relented again.

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<v Speaker 1>Sales rose I was wrong, she says, he was right.

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<v Speaker 1>In two thousand and one, Peach replaced Crichton as the

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<v Speaker 1>imprint's publisher. He and Patterson were friends by then. Peach

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<v Speaker 1>trusted Patterson's business instincts and appreciated his unyielding self reliance.

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<v Speaker 1>He's someone who built his own success completely, Peach says,

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't start with anything. Patterson's timing had also been good,

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<v Speaker 1>with his sales benefiting from the rise of Barnes and

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<v Speaker 1>Noble and Borders. Those chains filled their entryways with tables

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<v Speaker 1>stacked with best sellers, charging publishers for the privilege. Publishers,

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<v Speaker 1>not wanting to make bad bets, increasingly relied on the

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<v Speaker 1>known names in their catalogs. Under Peach, Patterson got a

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<v Speaker 1>dedicated team and began negotiating the profit sharing contracts that

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<v Speaker 1>are typical for best selling authors instead of standard royalties.

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<v Speaker 1>The size of his business was greater and greater. He

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<v Speaker 1>became a larger part of Haschet's revenue and profits. Peach says,

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<v Speaker 1>so he had a lot of leverage with his publisher's

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<v Speaker 1>Patterson sought to expand his market even more aggressively. In

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety six, he'd experimented with collaboration, publishing a novel

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<v Speaker 1>with a co author drawn from the copywriting ranks at

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<v Speaker 1>Jay Walter Thompson, and he'd launched Women's Murder Club with

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<v Speaker 1>another co author from his advertising circle, Maxine Petro. Now

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<v Speaker 1>he recruited a whole stable of writing partners to help

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<v Speaker 1>him increase his output. Patterson also diversified beyond fictional thrillers

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<v Speaker 1>for adults. In two thousand five, after Stephanie Meyer's Twilight

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<v Speaker 1>took off, he started his own young adult series, Maximum Ride.

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<v Speaker 1>In two thousand nine, when a major traveling exhibit inspired

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<v Speaker 1>a King Tut craze, he published his first non fiction thriller,

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<v Speaker 1>The Murder of King Tut. In twenty twelve, at the

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<v Speaker 1>height of the Diary of a Whimpy Kid franchise, he

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<v Speaker 1>started a middle grade series, I Funny with another former

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<v Speaker 1>j Walter Thompson Knight, Chris Gravenstein, that grew in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen into a children's imprint called Jimmy Patterson, selling mostly

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<v Speaker 1>work that he co authored. Patterson's productivity ballooned accordingly, having

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<v Speaker 1>published fewer than a dozen books in the nineties, he

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<v Speaker 1>more than quadrupled his output in the two thousands. In

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty tens, he started regularly writing or co writing

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<v Speaker 1>a dozen plus books a year. Peach, who became CEO

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<v Speaker 1>of Hashet in twenty thirteen, continued to pitch in on

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<v Speaker 1>editing him around a title a year. By the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of the decade, the Patterson operation employed sixteen people, not

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<v Speaker 1>counting all the co authors. Patterson shared credit by that

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<v Speaker 1>point on most of his books, with the Alex Cross

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<v Speaker 1>series a notable exception.

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<v Speaker 2>Patterson was in his sixties.

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<v Speaker 1>By then, he'd married in his late thirties and raised

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<v Speaker 1>a son, and people had seen his anger soften somewhat

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<v Speaker 1>since the early years. Patterson writes in his memoir that

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<v Speaker 1>he came to terms with it in therapy, seeing its

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<v Speaker 1>roots in his father's own anger and feeling his resentment

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<v Speaker 1>of his father's subside in the process. The emotional shift

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<v Speaker 1>helped his image, so did his team's efforts to remake

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<v Speaker 1>him as a kind of elder statesman. Something we worked

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<v Speaker 1>on all the way along was his reputation, says ned Rust,

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<v Speaker 1>the former publisher of the Patterson business, Patterson's contributions to

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<v Speaker 1>book related charities and activism helped. He started a children's

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<v Speaker 1>reading program, took out ads urging the Obama administration to

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<v Speaker 1>bail out the publishing industry, and donated millions of dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>To booksellers, public schools, and universities.

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<v Speaker 1>Accepting an award from the National Book Foundation in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen for public service, he told the audience, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>uncomfortable because well, I am the elephant in the room,

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<v Speaker 1>the bull in the China shop, the stranger in a

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<v Speaker 1>strange land, the big mac at Cipriani. In twenty nineteen,

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump awarded him a National Humanities Medal. Looking back,

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<v Speaker 1>rust says that was his decade. That was when he

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<v Speaker 1>was completely on top. Then, in twenty twenty two, on

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<v Speaker 1>a press tour for his newly released memoir, Patterson made

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<v Speaker 1>a rare public misas step. In an interview with London's

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<v Speaker 1>Times newspaper, he referred to a form of racism against

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<v Speaker 1>white men in publishing in media, it's even harder for

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<v Speaker 1>older writers, he added, you don't meet many fifty two

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<v Speaker 1>year old white males. The backlash was swift and intense,

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<v Speaker 1>as people pointed out that white men remained overrepresented in

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<v Speaker 1>publishing and Hollywood. Some revived the old insults James Patterson

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<v Speaker 1>of all people, The author Roxanne Gay tweeted, first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>Reich your own books, pal, My first novel had come

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<v Speaker 1>out the previous month.

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<v Speaker 2>I bristled two.

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<v Speaker 1>Patterson apologized within days. I absolutely do not believe that

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<v Speaker 1>racism is practiced against white writers. Please know that I

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<v Speaker 1>strongly support a diversity of voices being heard in literature,

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<v Speaker 1>in Hollywood everywhere. When I asked him about the comment,

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<v Speaker 1>he said he recalled race and gender coming up in

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<v Speaker 1>the context of a specific conversation about playwrights and actors. Still,

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<v Speaker 1>he said his comment shouldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Have been said.

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<v Speaker 1>He added that he hadn't been talking about himself. I

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<v Speaker 1>had some empathy for people who had careers and all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden can't find work.

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<v Speaker 2>He said.

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<v Speaker 1>That doesn't mean that change shouldn't happen. The fact was

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<v Speaker 1>change had been affecting Patterson too. His Children's imprint had

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<v Speaker 1>been struggling, prompting Little Brown to end its run as

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<v Speaker 1>a standalone operation, and his domestic print sales were dropping

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<v Speaker 1>from four point six million in twenty twenty one to

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<v Speaker 1>four point one million in twenty twenty two. According to

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<v Speaker 1>Sircana's book Scan, the fiction bestseller list was largely dominated

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<v Speaker 1>by younger female novelists, including Colleen Hoover and Sarah J.

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<v Speaker 2>Moss.

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<v Speaker 1>Patterson's print sales have kept falling since then. Last year

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<v Speaker 1>they were at two point five million in the US,

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<v Speaker 1>a forty five percent decline from twenty twenty one, compared

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<v Speaker 1>with a seven percent drop in the overall market. His

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<v Speaker 1>ebook sales have also been trending down. He's in this

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<v Speaker 1>cycle of decline even though his books still continue. You

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<v Speaker 1>need to hit the best seller list overall, says Brenna Conner,

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<v Speaker 1>book industry analyst for Sircana. Rust puts it that Jim

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't had a stretch of luck like this, which is

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<v Speaker 1>not good for a long time. Partly, it's that Patterson's

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<v Speaker 1>readership is aging along with him. You've got the baby

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<v Speaker 1>boomers whose eyesight is getting bad right now, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest demographic.

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<v Speaker 2>Rust says.

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<v Speaker 1>When I told friends I was profiling Patterson, they invariably

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned a father or father in law who adored him.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, his audience is about seventy percent female. But

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<v Speaker 1>those readers too skew older. Younger women these days seem

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<v Speaker 1>more interested in female written escapist novels from the romance, fantasy,

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<v Speaker 1>and hybrid romanticy genres. Last year's twenty best selling print

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<v Speaker 1>books in the US included two titles from Yarros's mega

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<v Speaker 1>hit Imperian series. Patterson didn't make the list. Adult book

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<v Speaker 1>sales are also getting slightly less top heavy. The one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred best selling titles make up around eight percent of sales,

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<v Speaker 1>compared with nine percent a few decades ago, according to BookScan.

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<v Speaker 1>That's partly because social media has fractured how people learn

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<v Speaker 1>about books. Traditional ad campaigns pushing preordained bestsellers aren't as

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<v Speaker 1>reliable a sales driver as they used to be these days,

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<v Speaker 1>Connor suggests conversations on TikTok, YouTube, substack and other platforms

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<v Speaker 1>seem to be nudging sales toward more diverse options. Yarros's

0:26:25.880 --> 0:26:29.159
<v Speaker 1>first imperial novel, for One, took off after going viral

0:26:29.240 --> 0:26:33.520
<v Speaker 1>on TikTok. Patterson points out that the traditional retail landscape

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<v Speaker 1>is fractured. Two more people shop online, borders no longer exists,

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<v Speaker 1>and Barnes and Noble has stopped letting publishers pay for

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<v Speaker 1>favorable placement, instead leaving decisions to local store managers. Big

0:26:46.320 --> 0:26:50.560
<v Speaker 1>box stores such as Costco have deprioritized book sales, and

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<v Speaker 1>bestsellers are widely available to read for free through libraries

0:26:54.080 --> 0:26:58.800
<v Speaker 1>ebook systems on Overdrive, the main platform for ebook checkouts.

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<v Speaker 1>Patterson was last year's second most borrowed author, after Jeff

0:27:02.560 --> 0:27:06.720
<v Speaker 1>Kenney of Diary of a Wimpy Kid. Fame celebrity, though,

0:27:06.800 --> 0:27:10.680
<v Speaker 1>remains a reliable path to attention. When Patterson's first Clinton

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<v Speaker 1>collaboration came out in twenty eighteen, it sold two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty thousand copies in its first week and spent

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<v Speaker 1>longer as a Number one New York Times bestseller than

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<v Speaker 1>any other novel published that year. It also earned maybe

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<v Speaker 1>the best review the Times had ever given Patterson. Ambitious

0:27:27.280 --> 0:27:31.720
<v Speaker 1>and wildly readable, the writer declared. Since Patterson's initial success

0:27:31.760 --> 0:27:35.280
<v Speaker 1>with the Clinton and Pardon partnerships, other celebrities have joined

0:27:35.280 --> 0:27:39.240
<v Speaker 1>in on the trend. Hillary Rodham, Clinton with Louise Penny Reese,

0:27:39.280 --> 0:27:44.359
<v Speaker 1>Witherspoon with Harlan Coben, Keanu Reeves with China Mieville. Patterson

0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:47.040
<v Speaker 1>came up with the idea for Judge Stone following the

0:27:47.080 --> 0:27:49.359
<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court's decision overturning Roe v.

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<v Speaker 2>Wade.

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<v Speaker 1>The plot centers on a trial in Alabama involving a

0:27:53.280 --> 0:27:56.520
<v Speaker 1>doctor performing an abortion on a black thirteen year old.

0:27:56.760 --> 0:28:00.679
<v Speaker 1>The judge, too, is black. Patterson's invitation to Davis to

0:28:00.720 --> 0:28:03.359
<v Speaker 1>write it with him, which involved co creating the plot

0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:07.439
<v Speaker 1>and characters, reading drafts and giving notes, was partly strategic.

0:28:07.880 --> 0:28:10.200
<v Speaker 1>He'd always wanted more of his books to be adapted

0:28:10.240 --> 0:28:13.000
<v Speaker 1>for screen, and he admitted he hoped this one could

0:28:13.040 --> 0:28:16.800
<v Speaker 1>become a movie starring Davis as the judge. Patterson had

0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:20.159
<v Speaker 1>first imagined a male judge and suggested Morgan Freeman, who

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<v Speaker 1>acted in a few adaptations of Patterson's Alex Cross novels,

0:28:23.720 --> 0:28:26.600
<v Speaker 1>as a co author who could star in an eventual adaptation,

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<v Speaker 1>but his film and television team suggested Davis instead, and

0:28:30.880 --> 0:28:33.040
<v Speaker 1>Patterson figured it would be easy enough to make the

0:28:33.119 --> 0:28:37.280
<v Speaker 1>judge a woman. Patterson was characteristically blunt about the appeal

0:28:37.320 --> 0:28:41.360
<v Speaker 1>of working with Davis. One she's black. That was very helpful,

0:28:41.440 --> 0:28:44.920
<v Speaker 1>he said. Two, she had an abortion, something she'd written

0:28:44.960 --> 0:28:48.240
<v Speaker 1>about in her memoir. Three as an actor, and a

0:28:48.280 --> 0:28:50.760
<v Speaker 1>really good actor. She really has a sense of good

0:28:50.760 --> 0:28:54.640
<v Speaker 1>dialogue versus bad. The dialogue he'd given the thirteen year

0:28:54.640 --> 0:28:57.480
<v Speaker 1>old girl had felt inauthentic to her, for example, so

0:28:57.600 --> 0:29:00.360
<v Speaker 1>she'd changed much of it, a lot of the diet dialogue,

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<v Speaker 1>and here is Viola's, he said. He later added that

0:29:03.320 --> 0:29:08.600
<v Speaker 1>Davis's honest, intense a very good writer. Davis said in

0:29:08.640 --> 0:29:11.360
<v Speaker 1>an emailed statement that working with Patterson reminded her of

0:29:11.400 --> 0:29:13.920
<v Speaker 1>why she wanted to be an artist. We had a

0:29:13.960 --> 0:29:19.040
<v Speaker 1>sacred space of collaboration where honesty, new ideas, vulnerability, our

0:29:19.160 --> 0:29:22.880
<v Speaker 1>differences were all welcomed and fed this beautiful alchemy.

0:29:23.080 --> 0:29:25.800
<v Speaker 2>She said. It made me feel alive again.

0:29:26.880 --> 0:29:29.640
<v Speaker 1>The Mister Beast partnership grew out of a call Patterson

0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:33.080
<v Speaker 1>took with Albert Lee, an agent at United Talent Agency.

0:29:33.600 --> 0:29:36.680
<v Speaker 1>They'd been in touch since Patterson collaborated a decade earlier

0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:40.400
<v Speaker 1>with Albert Einstein's State, represented by Lee, on a middle

0:29:40.400 --> 0:29:45.120
<v Speaker 1>grade series called Max Einstein. Now Lee's client, Mister Beast

0:29:45.320 --> 0:29:49.080
<v Speaker 1>real named Jimmy Donaldson, wanted to write a novel. Patterson

0:29:49.120 --> 0:29:52.680
<v Speaker 1>flew to Donaldson's studio compound in North Carolina, where they

0:29:52.720 --> 0:29:55.760
<v Speaker 1>went for a long walk and tossed around ideas. I

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<v Speaker 1>found his instincts to be stunning Patterson told me. By

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<v Speaker 1>the end the conversation, they'd begun sketching out a plot

0:30:02.680 --> 0:30:06.880
<v Speaker 1>about an intense global contest like Mister Beast's Beast Games

0:30:06.920 --> 0:30:10.960
<v Speaker 1>TV competition, but more extreme, with one hundred contestants and

0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:14.600
<v Speaker 1>a billion dollar prize. There was a real connection there,

0:30:14.640 --> 0:30:18.560
<v Speaker 1>so we said, let's do this, Patterson recalled. Donaldson said

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<v Speaker 1>in a statement sent through a representative that he loves reading,

0:30:21.760 --> 0:30:24.560
<v Speaker 1>but felt he hadn't encountered books at an earlier age

0:30:24.560 --> 0:30:28.040
<v Speaker 1>that engaged and interested him. We both are so lucky

0:30:28.080 --> 0:30:30.840
<v Speaker 1>to have devoted fan bases, and we wanted to join

0:30:30.920 --> 0:30:34.160
<v Speaker 1>forces and encourage the younger generation to read and show

0:30:34.200 --> 0:30:37.680
<v Speaker 1>them that it's fun, he said. Harper Collins won a

0:30:37.680 --> 0:30:41.000
<v Speaker 1>bidding war, which Deadline reported reached eight figures, for the.

0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:42.400
<v Speaker 2>Right to publish the project.

0:30:42.760 --> 0:30:46.080
<v Speaker 1>The novel comes out in September. In some ways, the

0:30:46.120 --> 0:30:49.959
<v Speaker 1>stakes are higher than ever for both Patterson and Hashett. Peach,

0:30:50.200 --> 0:30:53.720
<v Speaker 1>Patterson's longtime ally and friend, stepped down in twenty twenty

0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:56.560
<v Speaker 1>four from running Haschett in the US and was replaced

0:30:56.560 --> 0:30:59.880
<v Speaker 1>by Shelley, who was already CEO of Hashett UK and

0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:03.280
<v Speaker 1>stayed on in that role too. By then, the Patterson

0:31:03.360 --> 0:31:06.160
<v Speaker 1>operation had shrunk from its peak of around sixteen in

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<v Speaker 1>the mid twenty tens.

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<v Speaker 2>To about half that.

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<v Speaker 1>Shelley has further shaken up Patterson's business, moving a couple

0:31:12.600 --> 0:31:15.280
<v Speaker 1>of roles from the standalone team to the broader Little

0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:20.320
<v Speaker 1>Brown or Hashett organizations, and changing up some other personnel. Rust,

0:31:20.520 --> 0:31:23.400
<v Speaker 1>a fixture of Patterson's team since the two thousands, was

0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:27.360
<v Speaker 1>among those who left, Shelley says, Hshett continues to invest

0:31:27.480 --> 0:31:32.080
<v Speaker 1>significantly in Patterson. La Guardare reported strong earnings last year

0:31:32.120 --> 0:31:35.160
<v Speaker 1>in its publishing business and flagged Judge Stone as a

0:31:35.200 --> 0:31:39.560
<v Speaker 1>bright spot ahead. The collaborations with celebrities, Shelley notes, could

0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:43.560
<v Speaker 1>help introduce new readers to earlier Patterson titles. It's to

0:31:43.600 --> 0:31:47.040
<v Speaker 1>some extent, almost a trojan horse. I suppose, connecting with

0:31:47.120 --> 0:31:49.960
<v Speaker 1>audiences who might have decided, no, I'm not going to

0:31:49.960 --> 0:31:52.320
<v Speaker 1>read to James Patterson, but they would want to read

0:31:52.360 --> 0:31:55.600
<v Speaker 1>something written by Viola Davis or Bill Clinton or mister Beast.

0:31:55.720 --> 0:31:56.200
<v Speaker 2>He says.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they're like, actually, I love this book, and I'm

0:31:59.760 --> 0:32:03.360
<v Speaker 1>going to investigate the other stuff. Patterson still wakes up

0:32:03.400 --> 0:32:06.240
<v Speaker 1>each morning at five thirty or six am. He starts

0:32:06.280 --> 0:32:08.480
<v Speaker 1>his day writing long hand with a pencil on a

0:32:08.520 --> 0:32:09.160
<v Speaker 1>legal pad.

0:32:09.560 --> 0:32:10.800
<v Speaker 2>Computers aren't his thing.

0:32:11.320 --> 0:32:13.640
<v Speaker 1>Then turns to a half dozen or so outlines for

0:32:13.720 --> 0:32:17.160
<v Speaker 1>new projects. When he finishes, he faxes the material to

0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:20.360
<v Speaker 1>his longtime assistant to type out on the fax machine.

0:32:20.360 --> 0:32:23.120
<v Speaker 1>He might find pages waiting for him too, the latest

0:32:23.160 --> 0:32:26.080
<v Speaker 1>chapters from a co author or an Instagram post drafted

0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:28.840
<v Speaker 1>by someone at his publishing house. He'll mark up the

0:32:28.840 --> 0:32:32.840
<v Speaker 1>pages by hand and fax them back. Patterson has a smartphone,

0:32:33.080 --> 0:32:35.440
<v Speaker 1>but he barely uses it. If he needs to talk

0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:39.120
<v Speaker 1>to someone, he picks up the landline. For two decades,

0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:42.720
<v Speaker 1>he spoke almost daily with his longtime lawyer, Robert Barnett,

0:32:42.960 --> 0:32:45.960
<v Speaker 1>who negotiated book deals for him and other major figures,

0:32:46.160 --> 0:32:49.520
<v Speaker 1>including the Clintons and the Obamas. Last year, amid all

0:32:49.560 --> 0:32:54.000
<v Speaker 1>the changes at Hashet, Barnett died. The silence is deafening,

0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:57.840
<v Speaker 1>Patterson said in an emotional speech at Barnett's memorial service.

0:32:58.520 --> 0:33:01.800
<v Speaker 1>When I visited, Patterson was still shaken by Barnett's death

0:33:02.000 --> 0:33:04.600
<v Speaker 1>and hadn't yet announced what he would do about representation.

0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:08.640
<v Speaker 1>During our conversation, he seemed put off by certain decisions

0:33:08.680 --> 0:33:12.080
<v Speaker 1>his publisher had recently made. He'd just published The Last

0:33:12.120 --> 0:33:15.200
<v Speaker 1>Days of Marilyn Monroe, a book that he'd envisioned as

0:33:15.280 --> 0:33:18.440
<v Speaker 1>nonfiction but had been published as fiction because he'd taken

0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:22.000
<v Speaker 1>some factual liberties. I don't know why, he said, I

0:33:22.040 --> 0:33:24.760
<v Speaker 1>don't know who did that. When I asked him to

0:33:24.800 --> 0:33:27.640
<v Speaker 1>sign a book for my best friend's father, a reissue

0:33:27.640 --> 0:33:30.240
<v Speaker 1>of Along Came a Spider, he curled his lip at

0:33:30.280 --> 0:33:34.320
<v Speaker 1>the cover, which Little Brown had redesigned. Little Brown says

0:33:34.320 --> 0:33:37.400
<v Speaker 1>it runs all decisions by Patterson, and that while disagreements

0:33:37.400 --> 0:33:40.920
<v Speaker 1>sometimes arise, they worked together with trust and good faith.

0:33:41.960 --> 0:33:44.080
<v Speaker 1>Design might have been a sore spot because it was

0:33:44.080 --> 0:33:47.800
<v Speaker 1>one of Patterson's specialties from the start. Earlier, I'd pulled

0:33:47.880 --> 0:33:50.280
<v Speaker 1>up an image on my phone of my most recent book,

0:33:50.560 --> 0:33:54.480
<v Speaker 1>Searches Selfhood in the Digital Age. The book critiques the

0:33:54.560 --> 0:33:58.040
<v Speaker 1>rhetoric embedded in tech products, so the designers had created

0:33:58.040 --> 0:34:01.240
<v Speaker 1>a cover with hard to read and misleading text generated

0:34:01.240 --> 0:34:05.160
<v Speaker 1>by artificial intelligence. I fought for a very obscure cover,

0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:08.120
<v Speaker 1>I explained, as he peered at the phone. I wanted

0:34:08.120 --> 0:34:10.200
<v Speaker 1>a book that would be that was sort of like

0:34:10.520 --> 0:34:15.360
<v Speaker 1>that nobody would buy. He deadpanned. So cool, there's an esthetic.

0:34:15.400 --> 0:34:18.200
<v Speaker 1>There's an argument you mean with no title in all that,

0:34:18.320 --> 0:34:22.720
<v Speaker 1>he asked, now, seeming genuinely perplexed. There's a title, I said,

0:34:23.040 --> 0:34:24.919
<v Speaker 1>You just can't read it unless you put your phone

0:34:24.960 --> 0:34:28.319
<v Speaker 1>really close up to your face, I asked, suddenly, a

0:34:28.320 --> 0:34:32.560
<v Speaker 1>little insecure. If he hated it, yeah, he said, Then

0:34:32.640 --> 0:34:34.520
<v Speaker 1>self corrected, I mean.

0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:35.440
<v Speaker 2>What's your objective?

0:34:35.800 --> 0:34:38.040
<v Speaker 1>If your objective is to be read, then you need

0:34:38.080 --> 0:34:41.040
<v Speaker 1>to put stuff out there that people will like. After

0:34:41.080 --> 0:34:44.320
<v Speaker 1>my visit to Palm Beach, Patterson's publicist shared an early

0:34:44.440 --> 0:34:47.640
<v Speaker 1>copy of Judge Stone with me. By then I dipped

0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:51.360
<v Speaker 1>into much of Patterson's canon, the Thrillers, the self help book,

0:34:51.560 --> 0:34:55.480
<v Speaker 1>the series for middle graders. Contrary to the publicist's pitch,

0:34:55.600 --> 0:34:58.120
<v Speaker 1>this new novel read to me as a relatively standard

0:34:58.120 --> 0:35:02.440
<v Speaker 1>courtroom drama, not particularly literary, but its attention to the

0:35:02.480 --> 0:35:05.480
<v Speaker 1>internal states of the main characters went deeper than what

0:35:05.560 --> 0:35:09.040
<v Speaker 1>I'd encountered in much of Patterson's work. The dialogue felt

0:35:09.040 --> 0:35:11.400
<v Speaker 1>at least as realistic as what I'd seen in movies.

0:35:11.960 --> 0:35:14.600
<v Speaker 1>I found myself invested in both the characters and the

0:35:14.600 --> 0:35:18.600
<v Speaker 1>broader social and political stakes. The ending struck me as affecting,

0:35:18.760 --> 0:35:22.880
<v Speaker 1>if a little hokey. Reviewers were also impressed. The trade

0:35:22.920 --> 0:35:27.200
<v Speaker 1>publication Kirkus gave Judge Stone a rare starred review, praising

0:35:27.239 --> 0:35:31.719
<v Speaker 1>its first class courtroom drama, small town excitement, and strong characters,

0:35:31.760 --> 0:35:34.840
<v Speaker 1>all wrapped in a moral dilemma. Booklist gave it a

0:35:34.880 --> 0:35:38.799
<v Speaker 1>starred review as well, calling it wonderfully satisfying. When I

0:35:38.880 --> 0:35:41.800
<v Speaker 1>mentioned the write ups to Patterson over Zoom soon afterward,

0:35:42.120 --> 0:35:45.680
<v Speaker 1>he was circumspect. He'd gotten some truly awful reviews in

0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:48.680
<v Speaker 1>his long career. I think if you're going to ignore

0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:51.120
<v Speaker 1>the bad ones, then you can't go too crazy about

0:35:51.120 --> 0:35:55.280
<v Speaker 1>the good ones, he said. You go, yay, that's nice.

0:35:55.400 --> 0:35:58.920
<v Speaker 1>There had been another development, too, Patterson had chosen Lee

0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:02.160
<v Speaker 1>Mister beasts A on the book deal to represent him.

0:36:02.440 --> 0:36:04.920
<v Speaker 1>The goal for Lee is to capitalize on the changes

0:36:04.920 --> 0:36:07.960
<v Speaker 1>in how people discover books and introduce more of them

0:36:08.000 --> 0:36:12.120
<v Speaker 1>to Patterson. As everyone knows, you must constantly be cultivating

0:36:12.160 --> 0:36:16.919
<v Speaker 1>new audiences, Lee says. Since my visit, Patterson had also

0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:21.200
<v Speaker 1>started reading his master's thesis. He'd enjoyed it somewhat. There

0:36:21.280 --> 0:36:24.120
<v Speaker 1>is some style here which didn't shock me, he allowed,

0:36:24.680 --> 0:36:27.480
<v Speaker 1>but not enough to keep turning the pages. He'd set

0:36:27.520 --> 0:36:30.640
<v Speaker 1>it down after reading about a third, I don't even

0:36:30.640 --> 0:36:32.759
<v Speaker 1>know why I thought I could become a novelist, to

0:36:32.760 --> 0:36:35.920
<v Speaker 1>be honest with you, he said. I didn't have any courses,

0:36:36.080 --> 0:36:39.400
<v Speaker 1>I didn't have anybody encouraging me. I just started writing.

0:36:39.960 --> 0:36:43.400
<v Speaker 1>But I just loved doing it. I loved telling the stories.

0:36:43.880 --> 0:36:47.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean growing up, especially in the beginning in the woods,

0:36:47.280 --> 0:36:49.560
<v Speaker 1>when I was a little kid and there was nobody

0:36:49.600 --> 0:36:52.520
<v Speaker 1>to play with. Because there was nobody around, I would

0:36:52.560 --> 0:36:55.759
<v Speaker 1>just wander through the woods telling myself stories. And then

0:36:55.800 --> 0:36:57.319
<v Speaker 1>it took me a while to sort of get my

0:36:57.400 --> 0:37:01.120
<v Speaker 1>act together, he added, I mean, I'm still trying to

0:37:01.160 --> 0:37:02.120
<v Speaker 1>get my act together.

0:37:03.080 --> 0:37:04.120
<v Speaker 2>I ventured to ask.

0:37:03.960 --> 0:37:06.280
<v Speaker 1>About his hopes for the next phase of his career,

0:37:06.600 --> 0:37:08.600
<v Speaker 1>with five decades behind him.

0:37:08.840 --> 0:37:09.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't care.

0:37:09.520 --> 0:37:13.120
<v Speaker 1>About legacy, he told me flatly. I've said many times

0:37:13.239 --> 0:37:13.919
<v Speaker 1>I'll be dead.

0:37:14.080 --> 0:37:14.839
<v Speaker 2>What do I care?

0:37:15.600 --> 0:37:18.800
<v Speaker 1>Instead, he said, He'll keep pursuing one idea at a time,

0:37:19.239 --> 0:37:20.680
<v Speaker 1>informed by what people.

0:37:20.520 --> 0:37:22.920
<v Speaker 2>Seem interested in. Do I want to do it?

0:37:23.080 --> 0:37:25.839
<v Speaker 1>He'll ask himself, and then do I think it can

0:37:25.880 --> 0:37:29.480
<v Speaker 1>be good? I had always assumed Patterson's genius was in

0:37:29.560 --> 0:37:33.160
<v Speaker 1>attracting readers, but it occurred to me, considering his response,

0:37:33.560 --> 0:37:36.520
<v Speaker 1>that it actually lay in large part in a radical

0:37:36.560 --> 0:37:40.680
<v Speaker 1>willingness to chase readers wherever they'd gone. At one point

0:37:40.760 --> 0:37:44.120
<v Speaker 1>during my visit, I'd casually asked Patterson what he thought

0:37:44.120 --> 0:37:47.319
<v Speaker 1>of romanticies, and he'd revealed that he was working on

0:37:47.400 --> 0:37:51.120
<v Speaker 1>one himself after reading Yarrows's work and thinking he could

0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:55.160
<v Speaker 1>do something similar. Now over Zoom, I begged Patterson to

0:37:55.160 --> 0:37:57.680
<v Speaker 1>tell me more about the novel, which is expected to

0:37:57.719 --> 0:38:00.279
<v Speaker 1>publish next year. He said I'd have to wait and

0:38:00.360 --> 0:38:03.600
<v Speaker 1>find out. Presumably he had a release plan as usual

0:38:03.800 --> 0:38:07.279
<v Speaker 1>and it didn't involve sales killing spoilers, but after we

0:38:07.400 --> 0:38:10.560
<v Speaker 1>moved on to other topics, he couldn't resist adding a teaser.

0:38:11.200 --> 0:38:14.640
<v Speaker 1>I will say I have an absolutely spectacular love scene

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<v Speaker 1>with a mermaid