WEBVTT - The Cup & Ball Competition! 0:00:01.880 --> 0:00:06.160 Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:10.920 Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Jetty arm Strong and 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:16.560 Jetty enough Key, I'm strong. 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:25.040 And it doesn't look like it's even going to work 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:28.920 on paper. But imagine trying to force those huge movements 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:33.640 of population or militaries in the real world in potentially 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:38.320 a continuing battlefield zone. That's the reality of the idea 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:44.320 of territorial swaps already flat out rejected here by Ukraine. 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:48.760 A tough political ask, an impossible military ask, you might argue, 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:51.680 and that really leads people so anxious here that as 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:55.960 the bedrock of these talks, potentially it's territorial swaps, and 0:00:56.000 --> 0:01:00.520 that is impractical and unsellable here. What possibly could Trump 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:02.320 emerge from that meeting. 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:06.080 With that's CNN's reporting yesterday. I've heard a lot of 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:08.800 different reporting and a lot of different angles, of course, 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:12.039 because this came together really fast, and we have no 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:14.880 idea how it's going to go or really even what 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:16.200 the topic matter is going to be. 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:20.600 Let's discuss with Justin Logan, director of Defense and Foreign 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:25.440 Policy Studies at the Cato Institute. Justin's take might differ 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:29.319 somewhat from ours, but he has at least an idea 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:33.679 from judging from his recent piece of how a settlement 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:36.280 might look at the title of the piece is the 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:38.960 key to success at Trump puton Alaska summit on Ukraine. 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:42.920 Low expectations, Justin Logan joins us. Now, Justin, how are you, sir? 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:44.760 Just fine, good morning. 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:50.240 Low expectations, I think is absolutely an appropriate stance, as 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:57.280 we don't see much overlap at all between Putin's goals 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:02.760 for the territory of Ukraine and and Ukraine's certainly. 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:07.880 Yeah, I mean, the underlying and unhappy, unfortunate act of 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:11.040 the matter is that Russia is in a relatively stronger 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:14.160 position on the battlefield than Ukraine is, and that makes 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:19.000 Russia both more willing to continue the conflict and less 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:24.120 willing to compromise diplomatically. So Trump has a very difficult 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:26.799 task here, which is to see whether a piece can 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:31.640 be produced that isn't disastrous from Ukraine's point of view, 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:35.160 and that you know, as I said, the piece, we 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:41.000 should have low expectations. Even incremental shifts would be welcome 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:41.640 at this point. 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:43.840 Yeah, well, that seems like one of the problems I've 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:47.280 been saying for the last couple of days is a 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:52.200 Ukraine is horrified with the status quo. Putin's okay with 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:55.280 the status quo. He'd be fine with continuing prosecuting the 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:58.560 war the way he is, So a nothing burger would 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:00.520 be good from his standpoint. How do you get around that? 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:05.240 No, that's exactly right. And you know, the Ukrainians have said, 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:08.440 you know, look, our constitution commits us to pursue NATO membership, 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:11.760 which isn't going to happen, and prohibits us from seating 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:16.480 any territory, including Crimea, which has already happened. So they're 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:21.680 sort of using this sort of legalistic argumentation to dig 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:24.800 in on a position that just isn't going to happen. 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:26.400 So I don't fault them for that. It makes a 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:28.480 lot of sense to me that they should look as 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:31.520 unwilling to compromise as possible in the hopes of getting 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:37.640 a compromised that again is a total disaster. But on paper, yeah, 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:40.400 this thing isn't really going to go very far, very fast, 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:41.480 if it goes anywhere. 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:44.560 One question we've been banding back and forth is whether 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:47.600 Europe will, as I put it earlier, find at least 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:50.800 one of its testicles and assert itself as a party 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:54.320 that truly has a strong interest in stability or not. 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:57.120 How do you see NATO slash Europe's involvement in this 0:03:57.280 --> 0:03:57.960 latest chapter. 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:02.320 Yeah, I mean they are also digging in and not 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:06.560 showing much flexibility. But I think the question is, you know, 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:10.120 Europe needs to you know, to maybe I'll avoid your metaphor, 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:13.400 but it needs to sort of it needs to sort 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:17.760 of back its diplomacy with force. Right the ultimasio in 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:22.360 international relations is military power, and Europe is short still 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:25.800 to this day on military power, despite its declaration that 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:27.159 it's going to spend three and a half percent of 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:31.640 GDP on defense by twenty thirty five. It needs to 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:34.400 spend more, and it needs to spend better if it 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:37.640 wants more voice. And I think that that's the sort 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:41.800 of crucial disconnect that Trump has living pair, which is 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:44.520 that you know, if Europe wants more say, it needs 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:50.160 more power, and that is an enduring problem for both 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:53.000 particularly for the Europeans, but also in my view, for 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:56.720 the Americans. If the Americans want to hand over European 0:04:56.760 --> 0:04:58.680 security to Europe, which I think would be a good 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:02.400 thing to do, needs to attack together, and it's making 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:07.400 noiages about doing so, but not to my not enough 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:08.360 to my satisfaction. 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:10.960 So you don't do a lot of testical metaphors there, 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:17.800 Kato not nothing of radio. You know, this might end 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:20.560 up being a lesson in real politic for a lot 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:23.359 of us. This whole thing because Lindsey Graham saying on 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:28.400 the Sunday Shows that look, Ukraine isn't gonna, you know, 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:31.760 get back every bit of their land and Putin's not 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:36.560 going to Kiev. But which I think those things are true. 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:38.600 But why I don't know where this goes. 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:44.680 Yeah, I mean Lindsay Graham grappling with reality is progress 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:49.200 in international politics anyway. I mean, the bare fact of 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:52.520 the matter is we're not going back to twenty fourteen. Unfortunately, 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:56.280 it would be great if Ukraine, you know, regain all 0:05:56.400 --> 0:06:00.720 territory the international community recognizes as being part of Ukraine. 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:04.880 But in politics is a brutal business. Ladder. Putin is 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:08.560 you know, someone who reveals that every day he gets 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:10.760 out of bed in the morning. And so we have 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:14.000 to maximize what what is sort of the art of 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:16.880 the possible, if you will, you know, what can we 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:20.240 produce it? And I think look to you know, revealed. 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:22.240 You know, I thought that this was going to go 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:26.360 way worse, way quicker for Ukraine. So they have been heroic, right, 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:29.320 they have defended their territory. Right. I think no one, 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:31.880 you know, to talk about the realities that Vladimir Putin 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:34.360 has to grapple with. He's not going to take all 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:36.680 of Ukraine. He's not going to take most of Ukraine. 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:38.640 Ukraine is going to come out of this as a 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:42.080 sovereign autonomous country. And you know, so there's all these 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:44.200 things that need to be haggled over. You know, Putin 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:47.760 wants to put I think unreasonable limits on Ukraine's arm forces. 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:52.080 It's not going to join NATO. So so we're revealing 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:55.920 truths through the course of this thing. And and one hopes, 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:58.200 you know, I hope I'm wrong. I hope that you know, 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:01.560 there's more progress made today than I suspect, and we 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:05.679 get closer to a settlement of this conflict that leaves 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:10.840 a Ukraine that is a sovereign, functioning country on Russia's border. 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:14.280 We're talking to Justin Logan, director of Defense and Foreign 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:18.200 Policy Studies at the Cato Institute. Justin, if you were 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:23.840 to advise Donald Jay or any other leader about negotiating 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:28.360 with Putin, especially sitting down with Putin to negotiate, what 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:31.160 would you tell him about Putin and his methods. 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:34.800 Well, you know, if you read the newspaper, I mean, 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:37.000 it's all sort of there in black and white, right, 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:40.480 he doesn't need any sort of putent whisperer to say 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:43.520 this is a brutal guy who really means business and 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:49.000 really cares deeply about Ukraine's international orientation. Certainly, he's revealed 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:52.880 that he's willing to pay extremely high costs to influence 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:57.240 the sort of future orientation of Ukraine. And you know, 0:07:57.320 --> 0:07:59.960 one again sort of brutal reality is, you know, we're 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:02.480 we're all worried about escalation. We were all worried about 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:07.080 the potential of nuclear escalation or escalation outside Ukraine's orders. 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:09.280 And part of the reason that that hasn't come to 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:12.520 the fore is the fact that Putin has been gradually, 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:16.600 slowly brutally winning the conflict. And so we need to 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:20.880 internalize he is revealed in the breach that he's willing 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:24.520 to pay enormous costs to influence the settlement of this conflict. 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:28.040 And we've revealed under President Joe Biden and under President 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:30.720 Trump that we're not willing to go to the mattresses 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:34.680 and fight Russia in Ukraine over Ukraine. So that's going 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:37.280 to be the sort of starting point of understanding what 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:39.960 we should do. And you know, to be honest, we've 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:44.560 used a lot of economic leverage, a lot of sanctions 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:49.400 and it hasn't worked, if you define work as you know, 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:53.360 caused to change his mind and leave Ukraine. So again, 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:55.240 I hate to be the sort of dark cloud here, 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:57.680 but it's you know, playing the type. 0:08:57.720 --> 0:08:58.079 I guess. 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:01.880 You know, we need to realize that we have limited 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:06.040 leverage to produce a maximually good outcome for Ukraine from 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:08.800 this thing. So we're very much in the realm of 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:11.840 third best, fourth best, or as I might put it, 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:13.800 least worse outcomes. 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:16.040 Well, first of all, if you're dealing with Putin, you 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:20.400 don't stand next to any open windows. Secondly, I love, 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:24.359 I love dealing in reality. I mean, there's no advantage 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:28.679 to ever not dealing in reality. So if the reality 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:32.480 Putin is going to end up being rewarded for having 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:36.319 invaded a smaller country and getting to keep the land 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:39.280 because the rest of the world's not willing to, uh, 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:41.800 you know, put up the fight to stop him? What 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:44.080 how do you deal with Taiwan and China? What's how 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:47.439 do you make that not send the message to China 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:48.640 that here now it's your turn. 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:53.480 Yeah, I mean it's you don't want to be a 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:57.000 small country bordering a larger, more powerful country if you 0:09:57.000 --> 0:10:01.360 can avoid it, and unfortunately neither Ukraine nor Taiwan can 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:04.560 avoid that. So the question then becomes what do you 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:08.160 do optimally to make yourself look like? And this is 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:10.840 a Taiwan metaphor that think tanks works use all the time. 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:14.560 Like a porcupine, right, porcupines don't get attacked because they're 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:17.840 bristling with quills. They're likely to get their hooks into you, 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:21.600 and it hurts. It's not a pleasant experience. And so Taiwan, 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:25.120 I think, you know, there are more things that Taiwan 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:28.360 needs to do better for itself than there are things 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:31.000 that the US military needs to do on behalf of Taiwan, 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:33.200 which is to say, if the balloon goes up God 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:37.560 forbid in Taiwan, it will take the US military, in 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:42.040 optimal scenarios four or five six days to really meaningfully 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:45.320 get into the fight. And Taiwan has been so negligent 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:47.760 with its own defense, spending about two percent of GDP 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:51.319 art defense not spending it well that it may all 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:53.400 be over, but the crime by the time we were 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:56.040 to get there. So I think that from a Taiwan 0:10:56.160 --> 0:11:00.400 point of view, Taiwan needs to engage in asymmetric sense. 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:03.760 It needs to do another hokey before that, we think 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:07.720 tank Doork's use a small number of things at great scale, 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:11.880 So it needs to prevent China from getting a lodgment 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:16.160 that it could flow troops onto and without getting too 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:18.600 boringly into the weeds here. It hasn't been doing a 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:20.640 great job of that. So I would love to see 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:24.400 Taiwan focus its military less on big ticket items that 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:26.720 China is likely to be able to pick off early 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:29.720 in a conflict, and do things that really again turn 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:31.760 it into a porcupine that China can't swallow. 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:33.719 Be a better porcupine. 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:36.840 So a final question for Justin Logan Justin back to 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:40.280 the Russia Ukraine US thing, what are the chances that 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:43.960 Putin comes to the table with a grand bargain in 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:48.240 capitals that Ukraine is merely a part of to tempt 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:52.720 Donald J. Trump into some sort of historical Arctic minerals 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:55.479 arms control package. 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:59.560 That's a good question. I hate to make predictions. It 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:03.559 seems unlikely to me. Putin was sort of signaling yesterday 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:06.880 that he might be willing to talk about arms control, 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:12.040 which is a sort of weird non response to what 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:14.720 the commit is supposed to be about. So I think 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:17.480 it's possible that he brings things to the table that 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:21.079 don't pertain to Ukraine, because as we sort of established 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:23.040 earlier in the call, he's kind of sort of okay 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:26.520 with the best quo in Ukraine. And I think it's 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:28.600 a real question of whether Trump and the people Trump 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:31.920 brings with him are willing to bite on that, or 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:35.760 whether they bring things back around to finding some sort 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:38.000 of diplomatic resolution to the war in Ukraine. 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:42.600 Justin Logan of the Cato Institute, fabulous conversation. Justin, we 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:44.800 thank you. It's been far too long since we've talked. 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:47.520 We will verbally abuse our staff for letting that happen. 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:49.440 Thank you so much for the time. 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:50.800 There's a great pleasure. 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:52.720 Have a good week, ID guys, Thank you you too. 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:53.040 Man. 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:56.200 That was a snap back to reality. It's so easy, 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:00.200 speaking for myself, to let your wishes be your the 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:01.760 father of your thoughts with things? 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:02.040 Right? 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:05.960 Trump has that land? Is anybody willing to push him 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:06.280 off of it? 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:06.839 No? 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:07.880 Show a hands? 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:08.000 No? 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:11.560 Okay, well then let's just concede that deed gets that land. 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:16.079 It's gonna happen, right, Yeah, yeah, it's I don't know 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:17.760 when it was. It might have been about a decade 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:21.720 ago that it occurred to me. The term disillusioned ought 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:23.400 to be a positive, not a negative. 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:28.360 What good are your illusions doing you? 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The numbers are unbelievable. 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:57.440 Is it possible, I've said this before, Is it possible 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:02.000 that walking around staring at your phone becomes like smoking? 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:05.640 Is now? I mean, you know, back when my dad 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:08.320 was smoking, way back in the day, everybody did it. 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:10.040 It was recommended by doctors. 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:11.960 It calmed you. 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:14.160 Down, and it helped you lose weight. It was all 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:16.360 kinds of buzzy, and everybody did it. And now it's 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:17.960 just you see somebody smoking anything. 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:18.560 What are you doing? 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:21.840 Do you think it could go that far? Or we 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:25.520 just just too much into appealing it. It's too universally appealing. 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:29.080 Cigarettes didn't have enough upside. There's too much upside, well 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:33.880 upside using my finger quotes. Yeah, So anyway, everybody's staring 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:36.360 at their phones and miserable in one hundred different measures, 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:39.360 or at least half a dozen. And in a related story, 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:42.280 this is crazy. Adults are going to sleep away camp 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:46.160 to make friends, and it actually seems to work. Overnight 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:50.680 camps for single adults. It's not a dating thing. It's 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:54.800 generally separated by sex. But where you go to like 0:16:54.840 --> 0:17:00.440 a summer camp for adults and make friends and you 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:04.120 do you know, a tug of war, climbing, ropes, courses, 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:08.200 a hiking, you know, canoeing, blah blah blah. And this 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:12.879 focus is almost entirely on women this article. But this 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:15.520 gal says, when you're a twenties in your twenties and thirties, 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:17.240 you don't make a ton of friends unless you're doing 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:21.520 something that bonds you. And they've found the camps have 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:24.920 been great. They really hit it off with people, They 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:26.920 stay in touch and become long term friends. 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:29.520 I feel like this has got a real extrovert bias 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:33.439 to it, that it would really work for extroverts and 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:36.800 they would love it and for better and good for you, 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:39.520 that's fantastic. You're I don't know what percentage of people 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:42.840 are extroverts, but uh, that'd be great. I just man, 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:48.160 I heard that. My immediate reaction was that sounds freaking awful. Oh, 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:50.679 we need to start an introverts camp. I don't expect 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:52.720 attendance to be great, at least not at first. We're 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:54.840 all going to read alone in our tents. 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:57.399 Right exactly, and look, you want to wander out and 0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:02.520 talk about what you're reading, totally voluntary, totally. We're gonna 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:04.639 have a kayak thing tomorrow, single kayaks. 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:05.119 All right. 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:07.720 Let me assure you single, it'll be cool. All right, 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:10.760 We'll gently coach you into it. 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:12.680 Everybody's got a different time to eat, so you can 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:19.639 eat alone if you want, right, Armstrong and Getty so 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:23.639 didn mention this. Greg Guttfeld was on was first of all, 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:27.560 Greg Gutfeld is a was he originally is? Did he 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:31.119 come from a comedy background or a journalism background? Is 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:31.879 he a comedian? 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:33.120 I think comedy? 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:35.639 Is he a comedians? He might know he started as 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:38.919 a stand up or something. Anyway, He's been on Fox 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:41.239 for a long time comment on stuff, and then they 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:43.840 gave him his own show. When he runs it like 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:46.080 late night talk shows if you've never seen it, and 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:48.000 it's on Fox in it and for quite a while 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:51.000 now has been getting bigger ratings than The Tonight Show 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:59.760 or Kimmel or Colbert and Jimmy Fallon wisely had Gutfeld 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:02.080 on the other night and had the highest ratings he 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:06.360 had I think I heard in five years because surprisingly well, 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:09.480 because Guttfeld promoted it on his show, so all the 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:11.640 Fox people watch. Oh, I want to see how he does, 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:15.840 you know, on the mainstream shows. And he did well. 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:18.600 He was funny, but so huge ratings. 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:19.320 It's funny. 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:22.879 And I'm not quibbling with your your verbiage because how 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:26.160 to use the same words. But it's funny that the 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:30.200 most popular show is not the quote unquote mainstream show. 0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:33.920 He literally has the main part of the stream. 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:38.000 Good point. Anyway, my parents watch it every night and 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:40.919 they love it. I don't watch any of them, so 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:42.760 we just played the clips in the morning. But anyway, 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:44.200 here's a joke from last night. 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:47.600 The UFC will host the first ever White House Fight 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:49.000 on July fourth. 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:53.320 It's the first. 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:55.680 Violent beatdown to take place at the White House since 0:19:55.760 --> 0:20:02.920 Hillary discovered the Blue Dress. Meanwhile, the Democrats also want 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:06.800 to participate in so far, they've already suggested these bouts 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:17.160 Jasmine Crockett versus a book, Jerry Nadler versus soap, Rashida 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:25.159 Talib versus a razor, and JB. Pritzker versus a narrow hallway. 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:33.360 Yeah, all right, are they branding Rashida t lib As Harry. 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:38.840 I Ah, I'm not comfortable with that one. But that 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:43.159 was not me laughing, It was someone else in here. Yes, Katie, 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:46.160 I'm comfortable with it. She has a mustache. 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:53.159 Oh, a mustache, I see, or as they saying, some 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:59.639 of my favorite old timy literature mustaches. Right all right, now, 0:21:00.840 --> 0:21:03.840 she's also an American hating America hating Marxist. 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:08.160 Yes she has a mustache. Yes, thank you care. 0:21:08.160 --> 0:21:11.160 Perfect a perfect background for the joke. But those are 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:17.520 some biting jokes. We all know. The biggest story probably 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:19.959 in the world today is Putin and Trump meeting together. 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:23.680 It could be a history making meeting. I think there's 0:21:23.680 --> 0:21:25.920 a decent chance nothing comes out of it. 0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:27.680 For now. 0:21:28.440 --> 0:21:32.200 Anyway. First of all, this CNN, and I wasn't listening 0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:33.639 to it. I was just watching it. Just did a 0:21:33.680 --> 0:21:38.600 retrospective of various US leaders meeting with Putin over the years, 0:21:38.640 --> 0:21:40.399 and God, I forgot what he looked like when he 0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:44.359 was younger. He's always had that pimp walk man like 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:47.959 I am the biggest freaking deal in this room, and 0:21:48.000 --> 0:21:50.440 that smirk on his face like I could kill you, 0:21:50.600 --> 0:21:52.560 I could have sex with you. I could do both 0:21:52.600 --> 0:21:56.080 of those with you. I mean, that's it's just his personality. 0:21:56.320 --> 0:22:01.919 And sitting with every president Bush, Clinton, Obama, Biden and 0:22:02.080 --> 0:22:04.840 all of them, he does that whole leg spread open, 0:22:04.960 --> 0:22:07.520 leaning back in his chair. What do you got. I'm 0:22:07.600 --> 0:22:09.440 kind of paying attention, but I don't really have to. 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:12.959 I mean, he's just, he's his personality is just. I mean, 0:22:13.000 --> 0:22:15.720 he puts it on so over the top display you 0:22:15.720 --> 0:22:18.200 can almost smell his cologne through the video. 0:22:19.040 --> 0:22:21.080 Yeah. Wow, not an accident. 0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:25.840 And the embarrassing among the most embarrassing because George W. 0:22:25.920 --> 0:22:27.600 Bush saying I looked in him was eye, I saw 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:31.040 his soul. He's a good person. I mean that is embarrassing. 0:22:31.720 --> 0:22:32.760 Yes, uh. 0:22:33.040 --> 0:22:36.399 But Hillary Clinton showing up there with the reset button, 0:22:37.040 --> 0:22:39.119 Oh my god, what is it with all these the 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:42.359 Barack Obama administration where we're different people, we can handle 0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:44.479