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Actually, a part of that conversation 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:48.960 I'm going to have in the feed later this week, 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:54.800 so you will get a full opportunity to hear that conversation. 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:59.200 But with that, let me get started with a quick 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:03.040 little take on where we're at at the moment in 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:05.880 our current politics, and where we're at is we have 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:08.600 a president who is in the midst of a feeding frenzy, 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:12.600 and it is a feeding frenzy that he can't control, 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:18.560 and he is flailing. We've been in these positions with 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:21.320 him before and he always navigates his way out of it. 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:23.720 But this time is different. As I said in our 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:27.320 previous episode, we've got a struggling economy, something that he's 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:29.920 actually reacting to that's fascinating and I want to get 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:33.440 to that also in this episode. But at the end 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:39.280 of the day, his what he's doing and how he's 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:44.960 reacting to this Epstein situation is not exactly the way 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:49.200 somebody who's innocent would be reacting it is. There's so 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:52.440 many aspects of this that are strange when it comes 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:56.320 to the way he's treated this story. I mean, I'll 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:59.320 go back to something and I know, just set aside 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:01.480 everything you know about the story, but think about it 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:06.959 in this way. Donald Trump has the ability to b 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:10.720 as his way out of you know, he lies, you know, 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:13.320 sort of the way water flows out of a faucet, right, 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:16.440 He's very comfortable doing that, and he'll say whatever it 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:21.119 takes today to put off something that may be coming tomorrow, 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:23.160 and if he's got to say something else tomorrow, I'll 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:26.920 say something else tomorrow. The big head scratcher here on 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:30.640 this one is why he has chosen to be so 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:34.320 lenient on Gallayne Maxwell. And to me, this is the 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:36.800 part I want to focus on first. And then I'm 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:41.440 going to get to what is clearly an overreaction to 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:45.280 Marjorie Taylor Green and Thomas Massey, and I'll get to 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:47.520 that in a second, But I keep coming back to 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:50.840 this Kallaine Maxwell. And again when you get when we 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:54.520 get to my time the time Machine segment today, you'll 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:59.760 see where I'm going. But the reason there's an assumption 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:02.720 lying about something is because there's so many politicians that 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:05.160 have preceded him over the last fifty years that have 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:10.240 always lied to protect themselves first, and eventually the truth 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:12.480 would come out. It just sometimes would take years and 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:17.200 in some cases decades. What's a head scratcher about the 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:21.280 way he has treated Gallaine Maxwell is he seems to 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:24.719 fear her, And the question is why does he fear her? 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:28.680 She's in jail number one, number two. She was convicted 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:37.840 of essentially helping Epstein traffic underage women. He could easily 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:40.960 be wanting to throw the book at her, and instead 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:43.760 of putting her in a club fed, he could have 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:47.400 been putting her in solitary or making her life even 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:53.760 more miserable, rather than trying to be lenient. And for 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:59.040 whatever reason, he really wants her not to say anything 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:04.240 bad about it, even though if she did, he could 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:08.080 just simply say she's lying. She you know that he 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:12.280 had a story that was plausible enough that would likely 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:15.960 have kept everybody on his side. Right. The story was 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:19.159 Epstein was being a creep, he was recruiting, He and 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:21.360 Glane were recruiting women from mar A Lago. He had 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:24.360 had enough, he kicked him out, end of the relationship. 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:29.840 Why is he keep pulling Glaine Maxwell back into his orbit? 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:34.320 And I'll just say this, there is something else in 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:39.080 his life. There's there There is something that she knows about. 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:43.479 Perhaps there's something she assisted him with. Maybe it's a 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:48.920 relationship he has or had with somebody. But there is 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:53.120 something that he has that hasn't come out that he 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:57.200 apparently is petrified of that she knows. Because there really 0:05:57.240 --> 0:05:59.479 seems to be no other explanation, because he could be 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:02.560 behaving the exact opposite way and the fact that he 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:09.360 isn't is a head scratcher, and someday, maybe sooner, maybe 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:12.559 it'll take a while, we'll find out for sure. Maybe 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:15.960 she knows the origin story of his personal life, Maybe 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:19.840 she knows things that we don't know about the origin 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:23.160 story of his marriage. None of us know for sure. 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:30.400 His behavior is making it easier to go down conspiratorial lanes, 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:35.320 and it's almost like he is either purposely doing this 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:37.680 just to try to create more fog, which is not 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:43.480 totally out of character for him, or there's something that 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:47.080 Maxwell has that he just can't he just can't risk, 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:50.600 and so he's got to figure out. So we'll see. Look, 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:54.000 if he commutes her sentence and releases her, that will 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:56.440 be you know, not just one red flag, right, that 0:06:56.480 --> 0:07:00.159 would be a thousand red flags. But let's go to 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:04.840 the other part of this story, which is his decision 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:09.440 to punish Marjorie Taylor Green unendorse her. We already know 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:13.120 he's sicked his political machine on Thomas Massey trying to 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:19.680 primary him. There's an interesting pattern here Trump. I'm trying 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:24.120 to figure out who is Trump dumped or pulled his 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:27.200 endorsement from, or tried to defeat in his side of 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:33.520 the aisle who disagreed with him on an issue of substance. Right, 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:35.960 he went after those that voted to impeach him after 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:40.480 January sixth, right, the ten, and he is he doesn't 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:43.880 want to forget those. He's still got vendettas against anybody 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:48.520 that voted to convict him in the Senate. Hence why 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:50.920 I think there's still no endorsement for Bil Cassidy, and 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:53.560 I don't think there will ever be an endorsement for 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:59.760 Bill Cassidy in his senatecy. But none of these he 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:03.920 is he is angrier at Massy and Green for simply 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:09.480 voting for transparency on the Epstein files. Then he's as 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:12.239 angry at them as he was against the ten House 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:18.960 Republicans that voted to impeach him after January six It 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:23.600 is it is if this is this, and the irony is, 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:26.320 he's got plenty of ways that they're likely going to 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:30.840 kill this. Right, he's got the Senate. We'll see. Look, 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:33.880 I think if there's a hundred or more House Republicans 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:36.000 that vote with the Democrats on this, and I think 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:39.200 there will be that many. I do think that once 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:41.840 this vote goes on the record, there's a reason Mike 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:45.000 Johnson wanted to try to just release the files as 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:48.400 a unanimous consent because he doesn't want to recorded vote. 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:52.520 There's a whole bunch of House Republicans that don't want 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:55.280 to have to vote against the President on this, but 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:59.120 they're more petrified of not voting to release files having 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:03.080 to do with a pedophile. So that's one. The second 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:04.880 way they could kill it is maybe in the Senate, 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:07.080 but if it gets one hundred or more House votes, 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:11.319 I think there are thirteen Senate votes. Now maybe leaders 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:13.920 Senate leadership just finds different ways never to bring it 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:16.559 to the floor. But somebody's going to bring this to 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:19.040 the floor. Somebody's going to be able to introduce it, 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:23.280 and then it's possible Trump could be to it. But 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:27.680 don't underestimate what the Justice Department just did with this 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:31.800 when Donald Trump railed Rented on social media demanding that 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:35.360 Pambondi started an investigation into Democrats in their relationship with Epstein. 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:39.280 Because here's what's likely to happen. If there's an open 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:44.400 investigation that the Justice Department is conducting having to do 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:48.400 with people and their associations with Epstein, then it's likely 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:50.960 they go to a court and say, hey, we can't 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:54.040 have these files released because it's currently a part of 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:56.800 an investigation. Right there's been a lot of conversation. One 0:09:56.800 --> 0:09:59.679 of the knee jerk right wing talking points is, well, 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:02.160 the Biden folks could have released this, Well, they were 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:05.079 in the middle of an investigation, so they couldn't release 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:09.200 any files at the time. Now the investigation, in theory 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:13.840 is over. But if they're reopening an investigation, then suddenly 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:19.800 that is that likely will mean that will be used. 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:22.760 This quote open investigation will be used as saying, hey, 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:25.680 we can't release any of this material. It may matter 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:29.040 in an investigation and we don't want to have to 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:35.040 put all that out earlier. So it's there's a lot 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:38.920 of pads, I think for this to be to have 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:44.040 these files prevented from being released to the public. There's 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:46.240 a handful of ways. You can see how it could 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:49.400 be Senate leadership that does it. It could be that 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:52.640 President Trump vetos it, or it could simply be the 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:55.839 Justice Department goes to court to say they can't because 0:10:55.840 --> 0:11:02.240 there's an open investigation. Because Pambondi agreed to open investigation 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:05.240 just to investigate Democrats in their relationship with Epstein. So 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:08.679 the point is it's how much, it's how rattled he 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:12.400 is on this, and when he's rattled, this is when 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:17.040 mistakes get made, and he's rattled at a time when 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:19.960 the other parts of his job aren't going very well. Right, 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:25.160 you have, it's pretty clear that this economy is not 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:29.199 working for people that don't have money. He is realizing 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:33.160 how badly the inflation issue is impacting, particularly his voters, 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:36.640 because he's doing something he said he'd never do. He's 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:42.000 getting rid of tariffs on food and coffee. Now, what's 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:45.080 interesting is how all of his surrogates went out on 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:47.559 the Sunday shows and they won't say that they're getting 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:50.160 rid of the tariffs, like they keep not trying to 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:54.280 use the word, or they keep saying, no, we're lowering costs. Oh, 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:56.480 you're getting rid of the tariffs. So the terrorists raised costs. No, 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:58.640 the terifts didn't raise any costs. But we're going to 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:02.480 lower costs on food. There's this weird they don't you know. 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:05.520 Donald Trump can't ever admit he's wrong. And the fact 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:10.440 of the matter is these tariffs. Foreigners didn't pay these fees. 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:13.200 You and I did. We've been paying this. If you've 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:17.120 bought a banana recently, you paid tariffs. So if he's 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:20.120 going to sit here and refund this to some people, 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:22.480 and we'll see if they're even able to do that, 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:25.240 we're going to find out soon enough. He's likely to 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:28.280 lose at least some of this tariff authority in court. 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:31.520 He probably will try to find another way in the 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:35.600 law to try to try to implement some of these tariffs, 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:37.720 and I think there are a few other levers he 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:40.640 can pull that he'll be able to do this. But 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:43.440 the reality is is that you know, despite everything he 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:47.440 claimed that somehow Americans weren't going to be paying this tax, 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:51.199 Americans have paid this tax. We have been getting more 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:56.160 tax on food, particularly fruits, vegetables, stuff that comes from overseas, 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:59.360 plus coffee. So the fact that they're dropping them shows 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:02.680 you that there's a bit of an acknowledgment that number one, 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:06.400 prices haven't calmed down, they've gone up, and number two, 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:11.520 he's been the reason why prices have gone up. And 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:15.280 then finally he's got to deal with this healthcare issue 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:20.640 and the fact that premiums are everybody now that is 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:24.480 is that is on the Obamacare exchanges, is seeing that 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:26.920 the premiums are about to go up if they were 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:30.760 getting some of these subsidies, it looks to me like 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:33.640 there's going to be an extension of these subsidies. Is 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:36.800 it a year, is it is it a year with 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:40.760 a few extra strings attached. I think all of those 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:43.520 things are possible, But I do want to highlight something 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:46.560 Rick Scott said. Rick Scott made it crystal clear in 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:50.720 a Sunday Show interview earlier that they were not going 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:54.640 to repeal Obamacare and that you know, there was not 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:58.120 going they were not that they that all insurance was 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:00.280 going you know, they weren't going to repeat or the 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:03.960 pre existing condition issue. Because the only way to save 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:08.959 money on this on on these insurance exchanges in OBAMACAREA 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:15.000 is if you let insurance companies essentially cherry pick who 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:16.840 they get to cover and if you don't have a 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:19.680 pre existing condition, and they can shift people with pre 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:23.560 existing conditions and make them pay higher rates but have 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:29.000 healthy people pay super low rates. That's you know that 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:32.640 that's the system we had before, which didn't work for anybody. 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:36.080 So the fact that Rick Scott is saying we are 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:38.600 not going to do that because you cannot have insurance 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:42.920 companies be able to not accept clients because of a 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:46.600 pre existing condition. This is why the system didn't work before. 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:49.200 But the talking point that is really bizarre to me, 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:50.800 as they're saying, well, they want to they don't want 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:52.600 to give this money to the insurance companies, are going 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:54.080 to give it to the American people. Well, where do 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:56.440 they think the American people is going to spend this money? 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:02.280 Can you get health insurance coverage without paying an insurance company? 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:07.240 I mean, I guess unless we're going to be doing 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:11.280 Medicare for all, is that the plan. I don't think 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:13.120 that's going to be the plan that comes from the 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:16.080 Republican side of the aisle. But if you don't want 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:21.320 to pay insurance companies, who else do you pay? And 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:23.480 if you would like to get rid of the insurance companies, 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:26.720 if you hate insurance companies, Bernie Sanders would love to 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:30.400 talk with you. He's got a plan, Republicans. If you 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:32.840 don't like insurance companies and you don't want to pay 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:36.840 insurance companies, He's got a terrific idea just do it 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:41.600 straight with the government. So it's a strange talking point 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:44.320 that they're using. But the point is they know this 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:46.760 is not good politics for them. They know that they 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:49.400 have to deal with this, and I think they're going 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:54.520 to deal with this soon. But this Epstein thing, it's 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:57.480 when I was growing up, there was a deodorant commercial 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:01.280 for a deodorant called Sure. 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You know, I do think Thomas Massey, 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:45.040 who was a sort of America first Conservative before Donald 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:49.840 Trump ever showed up. Marjorie Taylor Green's beliefs clearly aligned 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:55.640 closer with a with a conservative that's more in line 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:59.480 with Massy than she is with Trump. Trump is always 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:02.880 as many a Trump advisor will quietly let me know, 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:06.359 he's always the least Maga person in any room you 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:10.040 walk into, wherever you go with maga, Trump's the least 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:14.520 Maga and he's become obsessed with the deal making overseas. 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:17.480 He's become obsessed with all the money he's making off 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:21.200 of his ac off of his influence in government. It's 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:25.400 pretty much the opposite of what the true believers in MAGA, 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:29.200 those that did want to go after the elites, who 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:33.840 thought the elites were using government to enrich themselves, And 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:39.040 what's Donald Trump doing using government to enrich himself. So look, 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:41.119 I wrote it in my substeck last week, and I 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:44.080 think that so far everything is playing out sort of 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:47.680 exactly how I sort of was laying it out, and 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:51.439 I think we're going to continue to see it. His 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:56.040 influence is waning more Republicans discover every day that he 0:19:56.080 --> 0:20:00.480 will never be on a ballot again, and just keep 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:02.520 an eye on. So he's already gone after Massey, and 0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:06.600 it's not really going that well. Thomas Massey's primary is 0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:10.159 going is May nineteenth, and that's fairly early in the 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:12.439 primary season. There's a lot more though, you know, we 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:14.879 have a few states in March, couple states in April, 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:18.639 but most of the primaries are in June, than a 0:20:18.680 --> 0:20:22.040 big chunk in August, and are remaining a few in September. 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:27.639 If Massy wins, and right now, I'd rather be Massy 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:29.760 than anybody else in that Republican primary. He's had a 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:34.520 hard time finding anybody. It's yet going to be another 0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:38.199 reminder that the Emperor is losing his clothes. I'm not 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:40.280 going to say the Emperor has no clothes at the moment, 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:42.879 but I think the Emperor is starting to shed some 0:20:43.080 --> 0:20:47.960 clothes at the moment. And if he is trying to 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:50.320 punish somebody and he can't do it right, he already 0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:53.520 lost one big one with Brian Kemp. And remember why 0:20:53.520 --> 0:20:56.040 he turned on Brian Kemp. He turned on Brian Kemp 0:20:56.720 --> 0:21:00.680 over January sixth. In the election. He turned on Brian 0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:05.200 Kemp because Brian Kemp wouldn't do an illegal act, right, 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:11.280 Brian Kemp wouldn't abide by his by Donald Trump's wishes. 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:14.560 So again this pattern. The only time Donald Trump wants 0:21:14.600 --> 0:21:17.800 to punish a fellow Republican is when they won't go 0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:21.200 along with something that just is bullshit. Right. They won't 0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:23.320 go along on the Epstein files, they won't go along 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:26.479 on January sixth, they won't go along on the election. 0:21:26.600 --> 0:21:29.640 And whether they're it's the only time he turns on folks. 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:33.640 He doesn't ever really turn on him over policy disagreements. 0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:37.240 He only turns on him if he thinks other people 0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:40.800 are going to embarrass them him because they won't keep 0:21:40.840 --> 0:21:47.520 his lap. And when Massey wins that primary in May, 0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:50.760 it's yet going to be another chink in the armor, 0:21:51.160 --> 0:21:53.479 and it's going to continue to open the store and 0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:58.320 everybody is. It's just getting easier and easier to separate 0:21:58.359 --> 0:22:01.640 yourself from Donald Trump. And there's going to be these 0:22:01.640 --> 0:22:05.080 different lease a little small. The Epstein vote is going 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:07.119 to be a step in that direction, and you're going 0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:09.320 to see one hundred or more House members do it. 0:22:10.400 --> 0:22:12.600 When the Supreme Court rules against his tariffs, you're going 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:15.160 to see a whole bunch of Republicans suddenly find their 0:22:16.080 --> 0:22:21.600 free trade spines again, and they'll put out releases talking 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:27.960 about following the Constitution. So these little and then you're 0:22:28.000 --> 0:22:30.600 going to see, you know, as people are upset about 0:22:30.640 --> 0:22:34.440 the costs rising costs, you're going to see more in 0:22:34.560 --> 0:22:39.439 Republicans look for ways to potentially separate themselves from the 0:22:39.440 --> 0:22:44.320 White House, but certainly to more directly appeal to voters, 0:22:44.880 --> 0:22:47.520 either in different ways to try to get rid of terrorists, 0:22:47.560 --> 0:22:51.479 the lower costs, or to question big tech and what 0:22:51.520 --> 0:22:53.880 they're doing to raise our electric bills with all these 0:22:53.960 --> 0:22:55.840 data centers that are going up all over the place. 0:22:57.760 --> 0:23:02.480 So I do think we are witnessing, like I said 0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:08.320 before the beginning of the lame ducification of Donald Trump. 0:23:09.680 --> 0:23:11.399 One other thing before we get to the interview that 0:23:11.400 --> 0:23:13.119 I want to get to. So I spent Thursday and 0:23:13.200 --> 0:23:17.919 Friday in Austin, Texas the Texas Tribune Festival. They have 0:23:18.000 --> 0:23:19.840 it every year. I've been to it a few times. 0:23:19.880 --> 0:23:23.160 They asked me to moderate a conversation with Maryland Governor 0:23:23.160 --> 0:23:24.840 Wes Moore. I think I told you I was doing 0:23:24.840 --> 0:23:28.560 that while I was there. I also it kind of 0:23:28.640 --> 0:23:33.040 unofficially became a bit of a cattle call for twenty 0:23:33.080 --> 0:23:36.000 twenty eight presidential candidates on the Democratic side of the aisle. 0:23:36.520 --> 0:23:41.000 Wes Moore was there, Pete Bootage was there, Tim Walls 0:23:41.200 --> 0:23:46.879 was there, Chris Murphy was there. So, you know, while 0:23:46.960 --> 0:23:48.399 I'm not going to sit here and say it was, 0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:51.280 you had a whole bunch of people looking for twenty 0:23:51.359 --> 0:23:55.080 twenty eight candidates. I think they were there looking for 0:23:55.119 --> 0:23:58.560 people to fight Donald Trump more than anything else. It 0:23:58.680 --> 0:24:03.639 was interesting the various conversations that were had. Look, I 0:24:03.640 --> 0:24:06.520 would say the attendees at the Texas Tribune Festival were 0:24:06.520 --> 0:24:10.000 folks looking to fight Trump. These were folks that are, 0:24:10.560 --> 0:24:12.200 you know, fall on the left side of the aisle. 0:24:12.720 --> 0:24:17.960 They were there looking for They're looking for hope, you know, 0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:21.080 looking for a stronger vision in the Democratic Party looking 0:24:21.320 --> 0:24:23.760