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Speaker 1: Hello there, Happy Monday, and welcome to another episode of

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Speaker 1: it that in those terms. But if you're willing to

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Speaker 1: in order to in order to be a better leader

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Speaker 1: if you do get a shot at being a small

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Speaker 1: d democratic leader of this country. So I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's a huge deal, but I do think his military

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Speaker 1: and he was already had gone to military school. So

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Speaker 1: I just think he's I don't think he's a conventional

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Speaker 1: that until you had, until you have this longer conversation,

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Speaker 1: I was intrigued by him. I thought it was I

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Speaker 1: thought some of his answers, his defensive capitalism was quite interesting. Again,

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Speaker 1: later this week, we're going to drop this into the feed,

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Speaker 1: So if you want to listen to this conversation, you

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Speaker 1: can listen to the whole conversation. I actually used it

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Speaker 1: also this week in my new sphere, so those of

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Speaker 1: you that are a member of Newsphere, you can check

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Speaker 1: out Sunday Night with Chuck Todd. That was a big

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Speaker 1: chunk of that interview appeared there as well. But there

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Speaker 1: both he and Tim Walls. I saw Tim Wall's conversation.

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Speaker 1: He was in conversation with Jennifer Paul Mary, a longtime

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Speaker 1: Democratic operative, and I asked both jen asked Tim Walls

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Speaker 1: And I asked a question, what does Trump get right?

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Speaker 1: You know to wes Moore some version of it, and

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Speaker 1: it's moved, he moves quickly. I think Tim Wall said,

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Speaker 1: he moves quickly and he goes. You know one thing

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Speaker 1: Trump does well, what wes Moore said, is that there's

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Speaker 1: always action. Right. He doesn't wait around for a commission,

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Speaker 1: He doesn't have a committee to study something before trying

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Speaker 1: to implement it. A lot of times he tries to

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Speaker 1: implement things even when he doesn't have the authority to

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Speaker 1: do it. But he's always but the voter sees him

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Speaker 1: trying to do something, sees him trying to fulfill a

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Speaker 1: It tells me that the next Democratic president is if

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Speaker 1: there's one thing they're going to attempt to emulate from Trump,

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Speaker 1: you're going to see a lot more signing ceremonies, a

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Speaker 1: lot more public signing ceremonies, a lot more executive orders,

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Speaker 1: maybe even trying to do too much rather than looking back,

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Speaker 1: like I think many in the Obama years do and

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Speaker 1: wonder was that was the two years that he had

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Speaker 1: to fifty nine a fairly large House majority. Was that

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Speaker 1: did he was getting healthcare? Was great? Should he have

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Speaker 1: just kept pushing the envelope, tried to get cap and trade?

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Speaker 1: Just pushed, pushed, pushed, and because no matter what there

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Speaker 1: mid terms, no matter what. So you might as well

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Speaker 1: have done as much as you can. Because what's the

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Speaker 1: lesson Donald Trump has taken. Do as much as you

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Speaker 1: can while you can, because you really never know how

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Speaker 1: long you're going to be there. And I think the

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Speaker 1: they're asked what does Trump do well or what does

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Speaker 1: Trump get right? That both of them and I don't

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Speaker 1: think they talked to each other about this. I don't

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Speaker 1: think either. I don't think More the Wall said at first.

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Speaker 1: I think More heard Tim Wall say this. It didn't

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Speaker 1: really go viral or anything like that, So I don't

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Speaker 1: think he's alone and I've heard this from quite a

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Speaker 1: few other Democrats that that they get frustrated. They think

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Speaker 1: when you know, well, he's he's signing these executors they're

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Speaker 1: kind of meaningless. Yeah, ninety percent of them are meaningless.

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Speaker 1: But the message to the voters is he's trying that

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Speaker 1: he's making an effort, that he's doing something. Nobody ever

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Speaker 1: wonders whether you know. I think it's why Trump's erratic

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Speaker 1: health isn't hurting him quite yet as much as it

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Speaker 1: doing as much? So it is it is. It was

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Speaker 1: just intriguing that that that that was singled out. But

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Speaker 1: And those that are thinking this is the second coming

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Speaker 1: of Obama, I would say, I think it's more likely

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Speaker 1: they win. Let's go into the podcast time machine. So

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Speaker 1: it's the week of November seventeenth through the twenty third,

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Speaker 1: And you know what I like to do, go back

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Speaker 1: in history, and we're just looking at this these seven days,

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Speaker 1: and believe it or not, this is quite I stumbled

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Speaker 1: onto what is conspiracy theory Week? In American history? Three

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Speaker 1: moments in particular have anniversaries this week. The Jonestown massacre,

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Speaker 1: the kool Aid drinking November eighteenth, nineteen seventy eight. There's,

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Speaker 1: of course, the jfk assassination November twenty second, nineteen sixty three,

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Speaker 1: and the eighteen and a half minute gap in the

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Speaker 1: Nixon tapes was revealed on November twenty first, nineteen seventy three,

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Speaker 1: three events that on their own would be enough to

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Speaker 1: bend the country's imagination, but together, stacked on the same

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Speaker 1: week of the calendar, I think they tell us something

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Speaker 1: a bit more profound about why Americans believe conspiracies and

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Speaker 1: why those beliefs are so durable. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: this is also the same energy right now fueling our

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Speaker 1: current national fixation on the Epstein files, where the fantastical

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Speaker 1: spreads faster than any known fact. But we only have

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Speaker 1: one type of person to blame, the elected American elected

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Speaker 1: official right, So let's get to the time machine. So

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Speaker 1: we're going to start with Jonestown. That's when conspiracy thinking

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Speaker 1: became catastrophic. It's November. We're going to go back to

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Speaker 1: November eighteenth, nineteen seventy eight in Jonestown. Now, a lot

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Speaker 1: of people think of Jonestown as a cult tragedy, and

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Speaker 1: it is, but it's also the story of how a

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Speaker 1: closed information system can destroy a human judgment. Jim Jones,

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Speaker 1: the cult leader, didn't just isolate his followers physically. He

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Speaker 1: isolated them psychologically, emotionally, and informationally. He convinced them that

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Speaker 1: outsiders were coming to kill them. He convinced them that

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Speaker 1: only he understood the truth. He convinced them that everyone else,

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Speaker 1: from the media to the US government was lying. Perhaps

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Speaker 1: he alone could fix it. But I digress. But here's

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Speaker 1: the terrifying part. The more erratic Jones became, the more

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Speaker 1: his followers trusted him. Because once you buy into total,

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Speaker 1: this sort of total narrative, once you build your identity

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Speaker 1: around a conspiratorial worldview, facts are no longer persuasive. Facts

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Speaker 1: become evidence of the conspiracy against you. Jonestown is not

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Speaker 1: a government conspiracy. It's the consequence of conspiratorial thinking, and

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Speaker 1: it becomes a template decades before so social media for

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Speaker 1: how a charismatic figure can sever followers from reality and

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Speaker 1: create a world where the fantastical is accepted without question.

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Speaker 1: It's why QAnon didn't surprise psychologists. It's why people fall

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Speaker 1: for online cults. Jonestown is a modern cautionary tale of

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Speaker 1: what happens when people choose narrative over truth. My god,

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Speaker 1: imagine how big Jonestown might have gotten with social media.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's to the second, the second big conspiratorial

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Speaker 1: event in our timeline. This week, the conspiracy the public

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Speaker 1: never accepted fourteen years earlier. The same week, November twenty second,

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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three, John F. Kennedy is assassinated in Dallas.

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Speaker 1: If Jonestown shows what happens when people buy into a

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Speaker 1: false conspiracy, the jfk assassination shows what happens when the

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Speaker 1: official story fails to convince the public. The Warren report

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Speaker 1: was assembled very quickly. The evidence was confusing. The single

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Speaker 1: bullet theory sounded well, pretty implausible to the average American,

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Speaker 1: and the result was a permanent fracture in public trust.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I always go back. I mean, if you

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Speaker 1: look at the original sin of when did you know,

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Speaker 1: if you look at baby boomers today, right, they grew

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Speaker 1: up with this. This was their coming of age moment.

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Speaker 1: Was government they believed lying to them about what happened

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Speaker 1: to their president. Right. And then just about every subsequent

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Speaker 1: generation would have a little bit more of the government

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Speaker 1: liing to them, and we'd chip away, chip away, chip away.

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Speaker 1: But this was a big one because the generation before

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Speaker 1: the Baby Boomers trusted their government. But for millions of Americans,

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Speaker 1: JFK's death marks the moment when they stopped believing the

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Speaker 1: government reflexively and started believing the government selectively, not because

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Speaker 1: they wanted a conspiracy, but because the government couldn't explain

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Speaker 1: the tragedy in a way that felt complete, transparent, or

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Speaker 1: sufficiently humble. This is where CIA theory is, mafia theories,

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Speaker 1: castro theories, LBJ theories, deep state theories. They all began here.

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Speaker 1: But the more important important point is this after JFK,

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Speaker 1: Americans no longer needed evidence for a conspiracy. They only

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Speaker 1: needed doubt. JFK didn't create the conspiracy culture, but it

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Speaker 1: created the psychological conditions for the next event that did,

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Speaker 1: and that brings us to a year that still feels

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Speaker 1: like a wound. It's nineteen seventy three. The Nixon tape gap,

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Speaker 1: the conspiracy that was well was a conspiracy, it was true.

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Speaker 1: Two weeks before Thanksgiving, November twenty first, nineteen seventy three,

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Speaker 1: America learns that there is an eighteen and a half

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Speaker 1: minute gap in one of Nixon's Oval office tapes, the

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Speaker 1: very tape that might have shown what he knew about Watergate.

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Speaker 1: This is the moment that permanently rewires American brain. After

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Speaker 1: years of being told trust us, after years of dismissing

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Speaker 1: accusations as partisan, and after years of insisting that critics

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Speaker 1: of Nixon were hysterical, here it was a missing tape,

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Speaker 1: not metaphorically literally an erased tape, Thank you, Rosemary Woods.

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Speaker 1: And the White House explanation was so implausible secretaries accidentally

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Speaker 1: leaning on pedals, fingers slipping, that it practically invited conspiracy.

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Speaker 1: The lesson for the American public was brutal and simple.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes the conspiracy theory is true, and sometimes the cover

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Speaker 1: up is even dumber than the crime. And once that happens,

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Speaker 1: once government credibility is broken in this specific way, you

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Speaker 1: don't get it. Back through press releases. You don't get

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Speaker 1: it back through official investigations, and you don't even get

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Speaker 1: it back through prosecutions. And of course we never did prosecute,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think when I first started my timecast

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Speaker 1: time Machine, one of the I started with the part

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Speaker 1: with Ford's pardon and a mistake. I think now we

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Speaker 1: see that was clearly I don't think it's it's even

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Speaker 1: a close call anymore, that that was clearly a mistake,

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Speaker 1: because we never did get justice for what was done.

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Speaker 1: But Watergate taught Americans that powerful people sometimes lie, and

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Speaker 1: institutions sometimes protect those lies. And once you know that,

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00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: you never unknow it. And then it just sort of

642
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: sits there, and it chips away and chips away, and

643
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: we wonder why we have a government we don't trust today.

644
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: So let's look at sort of the modern parallel, right

645
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: the Epstein files, fast forward to the present, and conspiracy

646
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: is the default, it's not the exception. Just look at

647
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: this Epstein moment. We're all living through. People assume elites lie,

648
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: people assume institutions are hiding things. People assume the truth

649
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: is always worse, and people assume if there is a conspiracy,

650
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: it's probably bigger and darker than anything the government admits. Now,

651
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: I'm an Ockham's razor person. I think if there was

652
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: something even darker, deeper, we there'd at least be a

653
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: leak about it somewhere. But we haven't gotten that. But

654
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:14,720
Speaker 1: still conspiracies persist. But it's because of Jonestown, because of JFK,

655
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: because of Nixon, because of IRAQ WMDs, because of the

656
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: NSA surveillance revelations, because of January sixth. Americans now process

657
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: every new event through a lens shaped by generations of

658
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: government betrayal, government confusion, and partial truths at best. So

659
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: just look at what we did with Epstein. Right, the

660
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory arrived first, the facts are we still don't

661
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: have all the facts, do we They're arriving later. The

662
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: public decides what it believes before the evidence even begins

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00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: to land. It's not that people want to believe in

664
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: sane things. It's that the factual world is moving slower

665
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: than the fantastical one. We have more information than ever,

666
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: but we have less trust than ever, and in that environment,

667
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: speculation fills every gap instantly. And then you look at

668
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: our ridiculous algorithms that sort of reward those that have

669
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: a new theory rather than those that have factual information. Right.

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Speaker 1: If I were to say, right now, boy, it's got

671
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 1: to be that Gallaine Maxwell knows the origin story of

672
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: Malania Trump and how Milani and Donald met, boy, the

673
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: algorithms would go crazy and this video could go viral

674
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: because I'd say, because I'd say that I have no

675
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 1: evidence of this. Okay, I certainly am trying to figure

676
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: out why the president is hiding so much of this

677
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: and why he seems to be so scared of Gallainne Maxwell.

678
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: So your mind wanders, and unfortunately, because of how poor

679
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:55,280
Speaker 1: government's been about being transparent about things including the jfk

680
00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: assassination being frankly exhibit A, how do you tell an

681
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 1: American not to go down that conspiratorial rabbit hole? This

682
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: is where we are. So what do we take away

683
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: from this in this week in American history? Here's the

684
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: common threat. We are conspiracy prone, not because we're gullible,

685
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: but because our institutions have repeatedly given us enough reason,

686
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: just enough reason to suspect that we're not being told

687
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: the full story. When leaders lie, even tiny lies, they

688
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: leave behind just enough ambiguity for our collective imagination to

689
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: go to work, and when institutions are slow, opaque, or

690
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 1: even arrogant, doubt becomes a form of self defense. When

691
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: information drips out instead of flows out, the vacuum fills

692
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: the narrative, and when the official story doesn't feel complete,

693
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: the unofficial ones become irresistible. So I'll leave you this.

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Speaker 1: We Americans can handle plenty of bad news. What we

695
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: cannot handle is missing news. Got you got to tell

696
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: us everything. Don't hold back, because if you do, if

697
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: we find out and you held back, it is so

698
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: much worse. The more than institutions give us half truths,

699
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: delayed truths, redacted truths, or contradictory truths or alternative facts,

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Speaker 1: the more this week in history becomes every week in

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Speaker 1: our political system. So there you go. Enjoy conspiracy Week

702
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: in the Todd Cash a time machine. By the way,

703
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: if you're looking for some good jonestown documentaries, there are

704
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 1: a ton of them out there. They're all fascinating. There

705
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 1: was a couple recently I think on Netflix that definitely

706
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:47,720
Speaker 1: is worth your time. My friend Jeff Morley JFK. Fax

707
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,959
Speaker 1: is a terrific substack. He goes through, he goes through

708
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: all the government releases the way you would want a

709
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: reported to do it. You know, yes, he has his theories,

710
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: but he separates the facts from the theories. I wish

711
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: I had a really good place for you to go

712
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,280
Speaker 1: for all things having to do with filling the gaps

713
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: and Watergate. But in some ways, I think I think

714
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,280
Speaker 1: we've filled we have between Garrett Graft's most recent book

715
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: about Watergate, plus everything Woodward and Bernstein has done, we

716
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: have a pretty decent handle on them. So you know

717
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: what this means. It's college football time. Okay, soa okay,

718
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 1: So Miami kept up its end of the bargain, had

719
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 1: a nice I will say I was pleasantly surprised. There's

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00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: nothing like a Hurricane's game when the defense sort of

721
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: sparks things and the pick six early set the tone.

722
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: The offense started to hum. Yes, NC State didn't have

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00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: the best of defenses, but the fact is Miami won

724
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: by a margin that they should win by. They covered

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Speaker 1: the spread. I think they doubled actually the actual spread,

726
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: So it was a It was a decisive victory. And

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00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 1: you know, some things went Miami's way as far as

728
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: you know, teams that needed to lose ahead of them

729
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 1: A few teams did Texas lost, that's a big one.

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00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: They're not you know, they're they're not going to get

731
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Speaker 1: in even a victory over Texas. A and M They're not.

732
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: A three loss team is not yet going to make

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00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: the playoff. A couple other things be Boston College had

734
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech on the ropes. You know, I certainly would

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00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: like to see Miami be able to play itself into

736
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: the playoff, not having to wait to see if their

737
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: body of work will be considered better or worse than

738
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: the body of work of other two loss teams. But

739
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: I want to get to that here in a minute.

740
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: But for the look in fairness, I think it was

741
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: the best game Miami's played since Notre Dame and and

742
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 1: South Florida where too, probably the two most complete games

743
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: they've played all year. Even the Florida game, they didn't

744
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: play a great first half. It was the second half

745
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: that they sort of put that game away. But but

746
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: Notre Dame, they played three great quarters. They let they

747
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: let Notre Dame sort of make the game look like

748
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: it was a close game. And I think this this,

749
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: you know, they basically were ahead by double digits most

750
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 1: of the game. Notre Dame gets a lay touchdown and

751
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: so the game looked closer than it actually was. But

752
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: this was a pretty complete game they got. This was

753
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: the last home game Senior Day. They got two more

754
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: road games, Virginia Tech and then Pit. And let's talk

755
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: about Pitt because Notre Dame now got to face a

756
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: Pit team that did not chose to play an exhibition game. Now,

757
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: I'm not saying the players that actually played in the

758
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: game didn't play hard. They did, but the coaching staff

759
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 1: made a decision that they were not going to play

760
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: to win this game. Anybody that was fifty to fifty

761
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: on you know, could play, but you know, they'd rather

762
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: have them rest for the conference their last two conference

763
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: games Georgia Tech and Miami. They chose to do that.

764
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: The coach went public earlier in the week and said,

765
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: it doesn't this game was meaningless to them. This was

766
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: akin to a preseason game, an exhibition game. They could

767
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: lose by one hundred, it didn't matter. Their path to

768
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 1: the playoff did not go through Notre Dame. Their path

769
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,240
Speaker 1: to the playoff went through making it to the ACC

770
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: Conference title game, and if they went out, they will

771
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: have a place in the title game, which brings me

772
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 1: to and then, by the way, same thing just happened

773
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 1: a week earlier with Notre Dame when they played Navy.

774
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: When Navy decided not to play one of their quarterbacks

775
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 1: in that game, Horvat saving him because he had been

776
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 1: somewhat he'd been dinged up a little bit. They wanted

777
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: to basically give him a week off before their conference

778
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 1: game against South Florida. By the way, that was a

779
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: terrific game. I watched a lot of that game that

780
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: was in my multibox. That was a fun game to watch,

781
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: and it was a shootout and somehow South Florida couldn't

782
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: stop Navy very often. Navies won that game, and they

783
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: still have a path to the college football playoff again

784
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: through the Group of five playoff slot. Again, the Notre

785
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: Dame game was meaningless to them in their attempt to

786
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: get to the playoff. So now Notre Dame and this,

787
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: you know, I saw that ESPN was promoting this win

788
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: on Pitt as if it was an impressive win that hey,

789
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: they they had. They made it part of their ticker lead,

790
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 1: and they made it seem as if that this they

791
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: played an exhibition game. Pitt did not take this game seriously,

792
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: and I do think the College Football Committee if they're

793
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: if this committee is serious and I am, I am

794
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: a huge skeptic given that three years in a row

795
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 1: they have made decisions that were not about football teams

796
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: that were instead about what ESPN wanted or what the

797
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: SEC wanted, which maybe won and the same right. We

798
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: go back to the decision not to put Florida State

799
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: into the end of the playoff when they were undefeated

800
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: after winning their conference title game, and they just chose

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00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: not to at Florida statea right. So if you're wondering

802
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: why I have have been so hard on ESPN and

803
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: the SEC about this, is because not that they might

804
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: do this, because they've already done it once and then

805
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: they arguably did it last year. Miami absolutely belonged in

806
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: that playoff, and they chose not to put Miami in

807
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 1: because they didn't want to put in a third ACC team.

808
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 1: They have decided the ACC isn't worthy of having two

809
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: or three teams on any given year. That's just a

810
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:34,280
Speaker 1: decision they make, period. There is not I would argue,

811
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: not as many metrics that would actually argue for that

812
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,399
Speaker 1: than others want to say but this is the decision. Yes,

813
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,240
Speaker 1: or they're not going to put in two Big twelve teams.

814
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 1: Then they're going to try really hard not to put

815
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 1: in two ACC teams. We'll see if Miami can sort

816
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: of force the envelope. But explain to me, I mean

817
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: to me if you were to treat Notre Dame as

818
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: sort of instead of knowing that it was no, and

819
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: I just gave you the profile of team A, Team B,

820
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: Team C, Team D. Right, there is no way Notre

821
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: Dame is a playoff team. They don't have a good

822
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: Their best win is USC, who may or may not

823
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 1: be a competitor for a playoff spot. And then two

824
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: of their victories are against teams that chose essentially to

825
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: pull some of their starters so that they didn't face

826
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: the toughest version of PITT. Miami's going to face the

827
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: toughest version of PITT. They didn't face the toughest version

828
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Speaker 1: of Navy. South Florida faced the toughest version of Navy.

829
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Speaker 1: So you know, I I that that should matter. If

830
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: the head to head isn't going to matter now, obviously

831
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: the most important thing ought to be the head to head.

832
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: Notre Dame loses to Miami and they're both ten and two.

833
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 1: It's obvious what any actual tie breaking scenario in any

834
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:55,439
Speaker 1: other league, the first tiebreaker is head to head. Now

835
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: they don't there is no there are no rules, right,

836
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: this committee has never said what the metrics are to

837
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: get into the playoff. They don't release a criteria. You

838
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: know what that means, because they make up the criteria

839
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: when they when it suits them, right, if it if

840
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 1: it's easier to make a case for a team to

841
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: get in because of their losses, they'll say, hey, they

842
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: have great losses. And if it's easier to make a

843
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: case for a team to get in because they have

844
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: great wins, and they'll say, hey, they have great wins. Right,

845
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: But they don't seem to have a standardized metric on

846
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: what matters more wins or losses when you're trying to

847
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 1: differentiate between a ten and two team or three ten

848
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: and two teams. In fact, we're gonna have a lot

849
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: of this, right, You're gonna have you may have ten

850
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: and two Oklahoma, ten and two, Notre Dame, ten and two,

851
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: Alabama and ten into a Miami And let's just take

852
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: a look at this. Okay, Alabama, one of their losses.

853
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: Is a team Miami B Do you think that's gonna

854
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: matter to the committee? Not naive, I know it's not

855
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 1: gonna matter. I'll give Alabama this. They have the best

856
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: win of the four because Alabama beat Georgia, so they

857
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: will get credit for that. Oklahoma has now Alabama is

858
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:14,919
Speaker 1: their best win, right They lost to Texas, a team

859
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:19,760
Speaker 1: that Florida beat, a team that Miami whipped before Florida

860
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: was giving up okay, before the whole firing and all

861
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: that business. And then of course when you compare Miami

862
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: Notre Dame, Miami beat Notre Dame. Obviously I'm singling those

863
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: four teams out because I am if that if they

864
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 1: all four ten and two and there's three slots for

865
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: those four teams, I know this committee is going to

866
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: try to keep Miami out. And if you looked at

867
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 1: him in a blind survey, Miami arguablyst this the second

868
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 1: best of those four. If you're going to do that,

869
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: let alone third or fourth. So I all'm I am.

870
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 1: I want to try to give the assume that some

871
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 1: people on this committee take their job seriously and are

872
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 1: simply trying to get the best teams. The fact is

873
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: Miami's probably got one of the three best rosters in

874
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 1: the nation, easily the combination best offensive and defensive lines going.

875
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: For whatever reason, the committee decided to overly punish Miami

876
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: for losing a gamed SMU on the road. They didn't

877
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 1: punish him as much for the first loss to Louisville,

878
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: but they punished him a lot for that SMU loss.

879
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: It was a way over punishment obviously in this idea

880
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: that when you lose somehow should should matter. And I

881
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: know this has always sort of been out there because

882
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: of the of the screwyway college football works. But again,

883
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: in the NFL, your record's your record, and if there's

884
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 1: a tiebreaker doesn't matter when that game happened, right. The

885
00:53:56,360 --> 00:54:01,439
Speaker 1: head to head is the head to head. So look,

886
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: Mimy's got to do its part. Yes, I'm still you know,

887
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: you know, the irony is that Miami should be undefeated,

888
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: shouldn't have lost either one of those games. Sort of

889
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: coach farted those games away, arguably, and they were both

890
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 1: winnable even at the very end, but they got coach

891
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: farted away. I think I'm going to try to use

892
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 1: that term going forward, coach farting. But We'll see what

893
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: the committee does. But the thing that I that I

894
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: want to see whether this committee is taking itself seriously

895
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: at all, is the fact that Notre Dame has two

896
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: teams on their schedule that decided not to play to one.

897
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,399
Speaker 1: And this is the look Notre Dame should be dinged

898
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: for not being in a conference playing conference games. The

899
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: stakes are higher when you don't have a conference games,

900
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: there's no stakes. Yes, the stakes are higher, they have

901
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: to keep winning, but the conference game is so much

902
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 1: more high pressure. And whether your conference road game or

903
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: hosting a team that just you would make their season

904
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: if they beat you, which is just about every team

905
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: Miami plays in the ACC. Okay, you know what Miami

906
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 1: doesn't do. They don't storm fields because when you win

907
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: national titles, you don't worry about storming a field because

908
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: because it isn't a big deal to you until you

909
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: actually win the whole thing. But I tell you, I've

910
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: been to plenty of Miami games where the other team

911
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: storms the field because it's a big deal of them

912
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: to beat Miami in a regular season Notre Dame knows

913
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: this feeling. Plenty of teams when they've upset Notre Dame

914
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:42,720
Speaker 1: on the road, they storm the field. But the fact

915
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: is Miami is playing more high pressure games. Shoot, Oklahoma's

916
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 1: playing more high pressure games us every one of the

917
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: power for because of how important this path to the

918
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:55,720
Speaker 1: playoff is. These conference games are much more high stakes

919
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: and Notre Dame doesn't have any of them. And so

920
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: I actually think that Notre Dame not the arrogance of

921
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,280
Speaker 1: Notre Name not being at a conference and still wanting

922
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 1: to be treated equally compared to what everybody else has

923
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: to go through with these conference schedules. I actually think

924
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: that these athletic directors that are on this committee, as

925
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: much as they want to do whatever they have to

926
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 1: do for ESPN for the ESPN Invitational here, at the

927
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 1: same time, are irritated that Notre Dame doesn't have to

928
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: go through this conference business. So at a minimum, Rhys Davis,

929
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 1: please ask whoever's going to be that I think it's

930
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 1: now the Arkansas ad who is going to be the

931
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 1: spokesperson for the committee. Please ask them whether the committee

932
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 1: is going to essentially downgrade the two victories that Notre

933
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 1: Dame had over Navy and pit They should be downgraded.

934
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: They did not face They faced an exhibition. They faced

935
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 1: two tens that treated the game as an exhibition. I'm

936
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: not saying the players themselves did, but the coaching staff did.

937
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 1: And when you say you don't care if you win

938
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 1: the game, you know your players hear it. So when

939
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: you're comparing not every ten and two record should be

940
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: treated the same. And I think clearly here Notre Dame

941
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: should be the one that's in much bigger trouble in

942
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: their playoff path right now because they have teams that

943
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: are not taking the Notre Dame game that seriously anymore

944
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: because of how important now the conference pathway is. I

945
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: have to say a few other notes on what I

946
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: saw over the weekend. I get more impressed at Texas

947
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: Tech all the time. I have no idea why anybody's

948
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: ranking Oregon as high as they are. I think Oregon

949
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: I have some questions about Oregon here. You know, yes,

950
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: they have one loss. I'll be this Oregon USC game

951
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: coming up up. It's a huge game to see if

952
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: the Big ten can get three teams into the playoffs.

953
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: But Oregon's best win is now Penn State. How good

954
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: of a win is that Oregon needs to blow out USC?

955
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: I think to justify they're certainly to justify how to

956
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: see them ranked as high a high as they are.

957
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 1: I got to give Texas A and M a ton

958
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: of credit, both A and M this week in Indiana.

959
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: Last week, when you should lose a game and you

960
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: figure out a way to win and you're one of

961
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: these undefeated teams, I am in some ways more impressed.

962
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 1: They didn't play their best game in the first half.

963
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: You know, I gave you that tip last week. I said, hey,

964
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: I had heard that with the new offensive coordinator, they

965
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 1: were they're worried about losing Lenora Sellers in the portal.

966
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 1: There's even rumors at Miami he may end up at

967
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: Miami that they were going to open things up a

968
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 1: little bit, And boy did they and he looked terrific

969
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: in that first half and shut them down and shut

970
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: everything down in the second half. So I have to

971
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: say A and M impressed me and impressed me quite

972
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: a bit. They don't have to win another game. They will,

973
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 1: but they don't have to win another game. I'm very curious,

974
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 1: and here's going to be something to see. Texas got

975
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: its third loss. What is that? You know, what's their

976
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: intensity going to be like for the rest of the season,

977
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 1: particularly for the A and M game at the end

978
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: of the year. It's exciting to see Texas Texas A

979
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 1: and M play. I think they're gonna be playing on

980
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving weekend, which will be kind of nice that. And

981
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: then there's Vanderbilt. You know, they're still They're still sitting

982
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,439
Speaker 1: there at eight and two, and you have Utah sitting

983
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 1: there and eight and two, both ahead of Miami. So

984
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: don't think I haven't. I don't have my eyes on

985
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: them on that front. I have a feeling if Miami

986
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: takes care of business and wins by margin in their

987
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 1: last two games, that they likely leap frog, because again,

988
00:59:55,360 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: Miami does have better wins I think than either of

989
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: those other two teams. But we shall see. All in all,

990
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 1: I am obviously nervous, I'm willing, I'm trying to will

991
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: every everything I have and making sure Miami is treated

992
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 1: fairly in this. That's all I'm asking is that Miami

993
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: is treated fairly, because I don't think the ACC in

994
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 1: general gets treated fairly in this, and frankly, until we

995
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: have a year where they are treated fairly, you're going

996
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 1: to have a hard time convincing any fan of any

997
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 1: team in the ACC that the that ESPN or the

998
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: College Football Playoff Committee or the ESPN Invitational Committee, whatever

999
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: you want to call it, is going to give an

1000
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: ACC team a fair shot. But like I said, I

1001
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 1: will I will pull back some of my critique of

1002
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 1: the of the media company's influence on this committee if

1003
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: I see some hard questioning of the committee chair on

1004
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: this issue of whether Notre Dame's two victories over Navy

1005
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 1: and Pitt ought to be downgraded. So with that, I

1006
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 1: do enjoy trolling my friends that are Notre Dame fans

1007
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 1: on this one. But in all seriousness, if I know

1008
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: if somehow this could be used as a demerit against

1009
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 1: an ACC team, this committee would be all over it.

1010
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 1: It's a big name, Notre Dame that's doing it. Will

1011
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: they have the guts to publicly call out Notre Dame's

1012
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 1: victories on this one? We shall all right with that.

1013
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 1: I hope you even had a good weekend. Hope you

1014
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:34,959
Speaker 1: enjoyed your weekend. I'm glad, since I'm traveling a lot

1015
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 1: this week that all of the airports are up and running.

1016
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 1: I thank those TSA agents and those air traffic controllers

1017
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 1: who have been working without pay thank you for doing that.

1018
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 1: Thank you for your service, Thank you for at least

1019
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: doing what you can to keep a government that behaves

1020
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,919
Speaker 1: so dysfunctionally a bit more functional. And with that, until

1021
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 1: I upload again,