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Speaker 1: Is this a great game for what with Tim and

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Speaker 1: Jeff Kirkshin It is our spring training addition, And Dad,

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Speaker 1: we are back in the basement of my house in Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 2: Thank goodness too.

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Speaker 1: I missed being this close to you while recording the podcast.

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Speaker 3: I'm so happy I'm this close to you, Jeff, because

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Speaker 3: we've had some technical issues and when I'm two hundred

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Speaker 3: really excited about spring training, Jeff. Yeah. And of course

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Speaker 3: our guest today is Joe Madden.

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Speaker 1: Dad, when we talked about doing a spring training special episode,

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Speaker 1: the first guy that came to mind for you was

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Speaker 1: Joe Madden because he's a longtime MLB manager, Right, he

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Speaker 1: was a minor league baseball player, and he just has

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Speaker 2: It's so fitting for a spring training episode.

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Speaker 3: Right, And that's why spring training is so great? Is

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Speaker 3: it so different than the regular season. It's not important

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Speaker 3: this is my forty fifth spring training and one of

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Speaker 3: the rights of passages, I get my baseball writer's car

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Speaker 3: and I just received it. Yesterday. Let me see, I'm

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Speaker 2: This is fancy. So you get a new one of

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Speaker 3: Year, every year. So I've been a base I've been

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say twenty two?

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Speaker 3: Yes, when I first started, Jeff, I was number eight

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Speaker 3: people out there have been doing this longer than I have,

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Speaker 3: like continuously and still have a Baseball Writer card today.

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Speaker 3: Ross Newhan of the La Times, I believe, is still

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Speaker 3: number one. You know, Dan Shaughnessy, Jason Stark, Peter Gammon three,

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Speaker 3: is not important, they really got interested in everybody's number

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Speaker 3: But it means something to me because to go from

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Speaker 1: Forty five years of covering spring training, and as.

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Speaker 1: Our spring break trip as we would either end up

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Speaker 3: Eighty By the way, I had nothing to do with this,

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Speaker 3: I've told you, Jeff, everything changes when you're the number

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Speaker 1: Training, Dad, those are great memories of spring training for you.

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Speaker 1: I have a couple that I wrote down and I

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Speaker 3: and Louke Clinton. Centerfielder is Willie Wilson. Outfielders are Michael

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Speaker 3: Taylor and Brian Buchanan.

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Speaker 2: Excellent job.

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Speaker 3: Whitey Ford is our primary pitcher. Madison Bumgarner. I used

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Speaker 3: all last names, but I made an exception because Madison

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Speaker 3: Bumgarner is one of the great pictures of our era.

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Speaker 3: By the way, James Madison, I believe was our shortest president,

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Speaker 3: which I think he was. I'm sure he was shorter

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Speaker 3: than me. And I was told, not like I know

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Speaker 3: anything about presidential history, that he used to love to

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Speaker 3: stand next to George Washington because George Washington made him

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Speaker 3: feel bigger because he was standing next to George Washington,

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Speaker 3: who was such a big man. It would make me

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Speaker 3: feel smaller, right, But he felt the power of George Washington,

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Speaker 3: so he loved hanging around with him. Lefty Tyler, Reggie Cleveland,

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Speaker 3: great Babe Adams, ye two Adams of course, and mud

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Speaker 3: cat Grant. And speaking of relievers, these are my two favorites,

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Speaker 3: Pierce Johnson.

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Speaker 1: Double double, Franklin Andrew Johnson or Lyndon Johnson and.

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Speaker 3: Grant Jackson double wow and right, So that's that's important.

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Speaker 3: JJ Hoover didn't pitch very long in the big leagues.

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Speaker 3: Brad Lincoln. You cannot have an all presidential team without Lincoln.

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Speaker 3: And let's see how well you remember who shares a

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Speaker 3: birthday with Abraham Lincoln. He was one of our thirty

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Speaker 3: five guests on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Todd Fraser, which I don't know why you brought that

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Speaker 1: up on that episode, and you're fascinated by that, I

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Speaker 1: think it's great.

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Speaker 3: Herb score and ten years ago, you know, Todd Fraser

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Speaker 3: played for the Eggs.

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Speaker 2: Todd Fraser traded pins for twelve.

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Speaker 3: Year old I love it right. Jermaine Van Buren is

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Speaker 3: our last reliever, and even though this is not a president,

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Speaker 3: he belongs on the all presidential team because I covered him.

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Speaker 3: Lenn Whitehouse. What a perfect name for the last guy

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Speaker 3: on our twenty five man presidential team.

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Speaker 1: Dad, I'm really looking forward to because this is our

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Speaker 1: spring training episode, and we've got an incredible manager, former

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Speaker 1: manager Major League Baseball manager of Hazleton, Pennsylvania, Joe.

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Speaker 3: Madden's gonna be joining, and Joe is gonna tell us

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Speaker 3: a bunch of stories about what we were just talking about, Jeff,

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Speaker 3: how different spring training is, how laid back, even though

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Speaker 3: you got to get your work done, how laid back,

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Speaker 3: and how different spring training is, and Joe just embraced

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Speaker 3: how important it was to keep it lively in those

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Speaker 3: six weeks of spring training, keep it fun because pretty

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Speaker 3: soon the unbelievable grind of one hundred and sixty two

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Speaker 3: games is going to start. So I can't wait for

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Speaker 3: everyone to hear some of Joe Madden's stories.

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Speaker 2: Joe Madden joins, is just a great game? Or what

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Speaker 2: coming up next?

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to is this great game? Or what ourd

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Speaker 3: guest today for the spring training episode is our pal

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Speaker 3: Joe Madden, former minor league baseball player, former really good

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Speaker 3: high school quarterback, and of course a major league coach

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Speaker 3: and manager for a million years. Joe, this is my son, Jeff.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 4: I cannot be more honored to meet Jeff for the

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Speaker 4: first time. We have a common friend, actually, and this

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Speaker 4: therapist is my nephew, Michael, of all things, and it's

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Speaker 4: always great to be with you.

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Speaker 5: Tim.

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Speaker 4: You've done so many wonderful things for us in Hazelton

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Speaker 4: with the Hazelton Integration Project, which is really still going wonderfully.

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Speaker 5: So Senior, both on the same screen.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty cool, right well, Joe, we're going to start

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Speaker 3: off with spring training. A couple of years you lived

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Speaker 3: in your mobile home, correct, And would you please tell

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Speaker 3: Jeff the name of the mobile home. You gave it

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Speaker 3: a special name, did you not?

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Speaker 5: It was the cousin Eddie.

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Speaker 4: You know you remember you remember Christmas vacation and actually

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Speaker 4: had a great decal made up of when.

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Speaker 5: He's a cousin Eddie.

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Speaker 4: Standing by the great the sewer great holding the hose

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Speaker 4: from the sewage system of the of the r V

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Speaker 4: into the into the sewage system.

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Speaker 5: And that was the decal.

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Speaker 4: And I had on the side of the r VC

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Speaker 4: driving down the highway and people say, the cousin see

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Speaker 4: the cousin Eddie with the silhouette of Kuwaid standing there

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Speaker 4: with the hose into the into the sewer.

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Speaker 5: It was. It was so good.

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Speaker 4: I got so many compliments about it, but there was

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Speaker 4: different iterations to I had about three. I think it

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Speaker 4: was like three cousin eddies won two and three. I

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Speaker 4: don't might have been a fourth, but I no longer

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Speaker 4: have a cousin Eddie. It just got to the point

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Speaker 4: where they were very difficult to maintain and storage is

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Speaker 4: also a concern. But anyway, wonderful us to live in

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Speaker 4: spring trainings all the time, and they were great.

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Speaker 5: For spring training.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but Joe, you could have stayed at a really

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Speaker 3: cool hotel. You could have gotten a house instead. What

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Speaker 3: was the number one reason behind and having your own

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Speaker 3: mobile home?

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Speaker 4: It's your tay one thing when you do an RB

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Speaker 4: mobile home RB whatever you feel like it's your own

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Speaker 4: like you're on the road, but you're not. So you

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Speaker 4: feel very comfortable. You know, you pack it up when

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Speaker 4: you leave. A lot of the stuff is familiar. You

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Speaker 4: get to where you're going and you're not taking suitcases

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Speaker 4: in and out of hotels, You're not walking through a lobby,

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Speaker 4: and quite frankly, you know, I have no problem greeting

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Speaker 4: the public, but there's an isolationism to this that's also

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Speaker 4: kind of neat at that time.

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Speaker 5: Of the year.

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Speaker 4: So I'm telling you, you get a cool I mean,

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Speaker 4: this is a forty five foot or this is a bus,

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Speaker 4: so you get one that large.

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Speaker 5: It's like you are at home.

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Speaker 4: You took your home on the road, parked it you

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Speaker 4: live and then afterwards, of course, my son in law, THEO,

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Speaker 4: Sarah's husband, would drive it back from Arizona back to

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Speaker 4: Tampa when I had it out in Arizona. But it is,

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Speaker 4: I mean, the best way for those that are on

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Speaker 4: the fence. It's like you're living in your own place

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Speaker 4: as opposed to something a little bit more sterile.

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Speaker 1: Thank you Joe for joining this podcast. Seriously, when we

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Speaker 1: were talking about having somebody you're mentioning living out of

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Speaker 1: cousin Eddie in spring training when when we were talking

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Speaker 1: about doing a spring training episode in our second season

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Speaker 1: ever of the podcast, he said, well, we have to

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Speaker 1: get Joe Madden.

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Speaker 2: We just have to because of.

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Speaker 1: The things he would do during spring training, the fun

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Speaker 1: he would have. Can you take us back to those

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Speaker 1: days of maybe some of the more fun things you

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Speaker 1: did with your players or your teams to kind of

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Speaker 1: you know, it's a long season. Baseball is a long year,

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Speaker 1: and so what were some antics or some fun you

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Speaker 1: had during spring training with your teams?

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Speaker 4: Well, it all, you know, it evolved started with the

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Speaker 4: Rays of course, and even goes back to instructionally with

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Speaker 4: the Angels. Nobody ever sees different things that you do

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Speaker 4: in the minor leagues. We used to do this thing

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Speaker 4: where Jeter Hines would be the Mattale, the god of wood,

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Speaker 4: and we would have to get into a slump, so

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Speaker 4: we would get all the bats out into the middle

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Speaker 4: of the field one of the fields at Geenautry Park,

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Speaker 4: and then Alan say Where who then became the field

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Speaker 4: superintendent at Joe Robbie Stadium, he'd bring him out in

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Speaker 4: a one of those little dump things, the payloader, and

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Speaker 4: it would be up in the this kind of position

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Speaker 4: holding it up, and Jeter'd be inside his thing. In

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Speaker 4: the meantime, we get all the bats together. I don't

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Speaker 4: need to gross people out, but in the morning it

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Speaker 4: would be like spit cans all over the locker room,

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Speaker 4: and you were permitted to spit in these things. And

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Speaker 4: then Jeter would consolidate it. And then he'd get out

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Speaker 4: there with like rambo kind of stuff, like the knife

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Speaker 4: in his mouth, paint all over himself, coming out of

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Speaker 4: a payloader, and the right in the middle field number three,

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Speaker 4: Alan would lower it, Jada would fall out, he'd get

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Speaker 4: me start chanting, and then the last thing he could

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Speaker 4: do he would gulp down this mixture that we all wanted.

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Speaker 5: I don't mean to get you guys.

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Speaker 4: Sick, but it was like hysterical to the point where

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Speaker 4: Doug Rader had him fly to Baltimore one time when

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Speaker 4: they were in a slut, just to do their bats there.

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Speaker 4: So he was Matteo, the God of Wood. That's kind

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Speaker 4: of how it started. I used to videotape it. Now,

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Speaker 4: fine audio is really what makes you because you know,

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Speaker 4: the guys were kind of gagging and stuff. So this

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Speaker 4: was like that's probably one of the funnest things I've

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Speaker 4: ever seen done to do that, and then you go

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Speaker 4: beyond that. Let's go with the Cubs. Guys, heard of

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Speaker 4: Tim Buss. Bussy, Yeah, Bussy was Bussy. You know, every

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Speaker 4: every team should have a timbus invaluable. A Busy would

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Speaker 4: have his meeting in the morning before that we would

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Speaker 4: stretch in spring training. We'd get in a circle right

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Speaker 4: outside of Sloan there, out of our little practice warm

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Speaker 4: up facility, and they would all get in a big

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Speaker 4: circle and he'd go with his ball bag and he'd

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Speaker 4: start complaining to like the biggest stars about something stupid

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Speaker 4: he over heard them say, and he would find him

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Speaker 4: something in front of everybody and it would just be

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Speaker 4: up roeries. But the one day he had this idea

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Speaker 4: with the paintball gun, and so we went out behind

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Speaker 4: the batty cages where the press could not necessarily see us.

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Speaker 4: And I know Hector and Don't had one, maybe somebody

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Speaker 4: else would. Bussy started at the one end of the

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Speaker 4: of the batting tunnels and ran to the other end,

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Speaker 4: and we did video this and as he's running down there,

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Speaker 4: I think he had a helmet on and goggles. But guys,

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Speaker 4: are shooting with a paintball gun and then you play

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Speaker 4: it back in slow motion and you could see like

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Speaker 4: the fat just like like you see in slow motion

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Speaker 4: with just the jelly kind of a roll and all

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Speaker 4: the way down there, and then Bussy would finally get

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Speaker 4: to the other end and then he come back, so

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Speaker 4: we were shoot him with the paintball gun in front

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Speaker 4: of everybody. We brought bears down from Bear Country northern Arizona.

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Speaker 4: There's a farm up there, whatever you want to call it.

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Speaker 4: We brought little cubs down and the guys would frolic

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Speaker 4: with the cubs on the field. Listen, it was it

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Speaker 4: was never any with the and then with the rays,

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Speaker 4: with the raisin. Also with the angels, we had a

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Speaker 4: golf event. We brought golf clubs out Raheem Morris was

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Speaker 4: there the one time. He was the man, a head

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Speaker 4: coach of the box and this that, and then of

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Speaker 4: course you know what the falcons we would have long

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Speaker 4: drive over like field and bj up. Then oh my god,

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Speaker 4: you got to see that in person. And then with

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Speaker 4: the angels we had closest to the pin. But it's

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Speaker 4: just the camaraderie impact is incredible, the laughter, the fun,

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Speaker 4: the giggle and whatever. There's enough pressure applied to these

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Speaker 4: guys daily that we don't have to apply more from

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Speaker 4: a staff. So I always wanted to hit the pressure

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Speaker 4: relief valve as well as we possibly could and understand,

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Speaker 4: and I think sometimes it's getting contorted now.

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Speaker 5: It is a game.

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Speaker 4: It's a game, and these guys should have fun, and

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Speaker 4: if you treat them as such, you could end up

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Speaker 4: going to several World Series and winning them.

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Speaker 3: Joe, didn't you oose to start workouts with the Angels

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Speaker 3: when you were a coach? There with the golf balls

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Speaker 3: into the butte? Is that right you? Mickey Hatcher?

647
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 5: That was Micky Hatcher.

648
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 4: Mickey Hatcher, Oh my god, Hatch could really drive a

649
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 4: golf ball. So we come out the back door there

650
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 4: right field the main field that the buttes, and the

651
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 4: buttes are in left center.

652
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 5: I mean I couldn't reach them. But Mickey would get

653
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 5: out there.

654
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,760
Speaker 4: Man, he t that sucker up and anybody like delivery

655
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 4: trucks and stuff out there, and I think, oh my god,

656
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 4: but he would lose it over the wall and it

657
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 4: would start ricocheting off bricks and trucks and all this,

658
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 4: And people had no idea where these golf balls are

659
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 4: coming from. If you don't know Mickey Hatcher, Micky Micky.

660
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 4: The way he could describe Micky, I love you so passionate.

661
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 4: When he'd make an argument in a meeting, the only

662
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,439
Speaker 4: way to stop him is when he ran out of breath.

663
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 5: He'd run out of breath and that would end his

664
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 5: point and.

665
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 4: It was always hysterical. Micky Hatcher is one of my

666
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 4: favorite coaches teammates.

667
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 5: Of all time.

668
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 4: And yes, he could really drive a golf ball, not

669
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 4: only far but incredibly straight.

670
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 3: Right, Joe, I remember the famous one. Mike Soosha told

671
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 3: me you were there when they brought in an Ostrich?

672
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 3: Is that right?

673
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 5: Yeah?

674
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 3: Would you tell us that story when they brought when

675
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 3: when they brought an Ostrich into the clubhouse?

676
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, Socia was the best at this, and I think

677
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 4: he might have got some of it from Tommy. But yeah,

678
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 4: during spring training, we'd all gather in the morning in

679
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 4: a circle in the clubhouse. It's like claustrophobic, it's so small,

680
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,919
Speaker 4: and so she would just ramble and he would pick

681
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 4: on guys to do different things, and primarily rookies. One

682
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 4: guy said he could play the piano, So next day,

683
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 4: there's a piano in the middle of the clubhouse. Dude's

684
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 4: got to get up there and play the piano. As

685
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 4: an example, Ramona Ortiz says in the Dominican I could

686
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 4: catch fish with my better hands in the winter time.

687
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 4: So the next day we had a waiting poll with

688
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 4: live fish in the clubhouse and Ramone was out there

689
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 4: grabbing fish out of a waiting pool whatever. But the

690
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 4: big one you're talking about was the Ostrich Festival was

691
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 4: being held.

692
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 5: I think it was in Chandler.

693
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 4: And Jared Washburn, who's game, you know, I love watch,

694
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 4: So he assigns wash to go down there and was

695
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 4: about to get information and photographs or pictures or T

696
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 4: shirts whatever and report back the next day.

697
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 5: And the next day we're doing the meeting and all.

698
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 4: Of a sudden, wash calls time out and the handler

699
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 4: walks in, and then behind him is an Ostrich really

700
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 4: in person. These suckers are really tall, and that's when

701
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 4: and again Ramona tees love. Ramona teas its sincerely, jumps

702
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 4: out of his chair, gets on top of the lockers

703
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 4: and starts screaming, that's the biggest chicken I've ever seen.

704
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 4: And it was like freaked out by the whole thing.

705
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 5: So we did.

706
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 4: I mean we took it to listen, Angels win the

707
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 4: two thousand and two Raise, win in two thousand and eight,

708
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 4: we don't go all the way when we get there.

709
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 4: And then the Cubbies in sixteen. I'm telling you, man,

710
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 4: a big part of our success was the humor attached

711
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 4: to it and the fact that we kept guys lose.

712
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 4: We did different things, even to the point with the

713
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 4: playoffs with the Cubs in sixteen, going to the series,

714
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 4: I had when we had a off there, not an

715
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 4: off day, yeah, an off day at home. We would

716
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 4: serve breakfast on the field, so the guys are at

717
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 4: the batting cage hitting, taking her VP and I'd have

718
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 4: those tray set up in the back, those silver trays

719
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 4: with the little burners underneath, so a guy could go

720
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 4: get his breakfast in between swings. You know, during the

721
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 4: playoffs on Wrigley Field, where things like this, and everybody

722
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 4: wants to do look at more video, break data down,

723
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 4: they want to do all this stuff. But at the

724
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 4: end of the day, man, these guys have to be

725
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 4: loose in their brains, have to work in the moment,

726
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 4: and they have to be able to breathe, and whatever

727
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 4: you can do to permit them to breathe in the moment,

728
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 4: I'll take it.

729
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's so important, Joe.

730
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: And we've had like Sosha on the show, like we've

731
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: had other managers with Tito Francona on the show.

732
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 2: So and there's one commonality I find is exactly what

733
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 2: you're saying.

734
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: Yes there is data, Yes there is numbers, but there's

735
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 1: there's an unattainable statistic we can't get which is right

736
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: in here is how is it feeling? How loose is

737
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: this guy? And I think that's really really special. And

738
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: it starts in spring training, of.

739
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 5: Course it does. You have to set the tone.

740
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 4: I only had three meetings during the course of a

741
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 4: baseball season.

742
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,439
Speaker 5: I was not into meetings at all. I think they're

743
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 5: overblown there.

744
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 4: They're pretty much ever is holding an anger meeting that

745
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 4: during the course of the year is pretty much doing it.

746
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 5: For his own benefit.

747
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 4: It's him getting some thing off his chest so that

748
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 4: he may be able to tell others that, Yeah, I

749
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 4: got him, I got in front of them, I got

750
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 4: really upset. I told him, I told him what's what

751
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 4: right for me? It's one meeting in the beginning of that,

752
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 4: you set the tone and this.

753
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:14,919
Speaker 5: Is exactly who we are.

754
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 4: We lay it out very clearly, specifically, this is how

755
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 4: we're going to do it, how we're going to work,

756
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 4: what our goals are, how we're going to attend that,

757
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 4: we're going to remain flexible, et cetera. Just talk straight up,

758
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:27,879
Speaker 4: and then here comes the All Star break. I used

759
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 4: to do it after the All Star break, but then

760
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 4: I figured right before the All Star break was a

761
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 4: better time to do it because it permitted guys to

762
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 4: think about what you were thinking about at that time.

763
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 4: I would normally rehashpring training and then try to fill in, Okay.

764
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 5: We've met these goals. We have not met these goals.

765
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 4: These are some things we have to pay more attention

766
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 4: to post et cetera, et cetera. And we were normally

767
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 4: in pretty good shape all the teams I've had at

768
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 4: that time.

769
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 5: And then the next meeting would be.

770
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 4: Before the first playoff game, and most of the time

771
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 4: we were in the playoffs. Sometimes it was just the

772
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 4: end of the season, but before the first playoff game,

773
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 4: I would want another meeting again, rehash the first meeting,

774
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 4: second meeting. Now we're here and The primary objective at

775
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 4: that point was, you know, you know what I want

776
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 4: you guys to change right now. I is going to

777
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 4: this first playoff game absolutely nothing. We played the game

778
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 4: the same on March fifteenth, July fifteenth, August fifteenth, and okay,

779
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 4: September fifth, November third, or fourth, whatever. I don't want

780
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 4: us to play any different game. I want to keep

781
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 4: playing the same game of baseball. And that's what I

782
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 4: try to convince them that there's no more I don't

783
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 4: want to attach more weight to any specific day. I

784
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 4: would frustrate the press a lot of times in this

785
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 4: pretty big game, but you know what, they're all big games,

786
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 4: and I don't want us to change our attitude or

787
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 4: our methods based on the perception that this one weighs

788
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 4: more than the other. So that was all part of

789
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 4: the planning from spring training, midseason, first playoff game. Then,

790
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 4: of course, if you had to say goodbye in a

791
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 4: way because we lost, of course you did that. But

792
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 4: there was a couple of celebrations that were pretty cool.

793
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 3: Joe, let's go back to the Angels one more time.

794
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be careful about this, but remember when Scott

795
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 3: Spiezio was assigned a word, and the word was erudite.

796
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 3: Do you remember what happened? Because I wasn't there, but

797
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 3: I remembered what happened. Do you remember?

798
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 4: You'd have to jog me on that one, because I mean,

799
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 4: I love Scott, one of.

800
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 3: The great ever A World Series hero, but absolutely no.

801
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 3: Sure he got erudite mixed up with hermaphrodite.

802
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 4: And now, well, it's that makes sense. I'm sure I

803
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 4: have done the same thing without even realizing it.

804
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 6: So there he goes, Jeff, He goes in front of

805
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 6: the team to explain what this word means, and he's

806
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 6: got the wrong word, and like everyone in the room

807
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 6: is Howllywood laughter because of what it was.

808
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 5: Oh boy, you.

809
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 4: Know that we did that. We did all kinds of

810
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 4: fun stuff. I'm telling you, man, I would cry.

811
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 3: What is it?

812
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 4: Best was when when Rob quinlan so assigned Quinland to

813
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 4: the what is it? The medieval festival out there when

814
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 4: I can't remember exactly what they call it. He's Quinland's funny.

815
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 4: Q went to the University of Minnesota. Low Q and

816
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 4: I would hang out a little bit. He was a player,

817
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 4: I was a coach. But anyway, Q goes to this

818
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 4: thing and he's a reporter and he stands with his

819
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 4: microphone and he's doing his gig. But every scene that

820
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 4: he did would be a big fat guy with the

821
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 4: number fourteen Jersey angels jersey walking behind the shop with

822
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 4: Socia on his back.

823
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 3: Right.

824
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 5: Hey, this is Rob Quinlan reporting from the.

825
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 4: Medieval festival here and we and we're here at the

826
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 4: Turkey Lake thing whatever, and all of a sudden, big

827
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 4: fat guy goes walking by fourteen on his back social So,

828
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 4: I mean, I am crying during this whole probably a

829
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 4: five minute gig, and it ends up two things that

830
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 4: were great. Quinlan's talking to behind him is number fourteen

831
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 4: Soshia with this back to the camera and he gets

832
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 4: a turkey leg and he just like you can imagine,

833
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 4: takes it right down his gullet.

834
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 5: From behind, guys are dying.

835
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 4: The last one, he's on this rocking horse that had

836
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 4: to be at least ten to fifteen feet tall.

837
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 5: He's rocking on this with.

838
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 4: A turkey leg in his hand and number fourteen Sosia

839
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 4: on his back. As Rob Quinlan decides to say, this

840
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 4: is Rob reporting from the medieval festival here out in.

841
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 5: The farthest point out there in the Eastern Valley. I

842
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 5: was crying. I mean I couldn't stop. I mean his

843
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 5: laughing art. I was crying.

844
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,720
Speaker 4: But that was what we did. And it's you making

845
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 4: your asking players to go outside your comfort zone. And

846
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 4: that is so important in regards to not being blown

847
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 4: up by heavy moments or fast moments, or or world

848
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 4: series moments. You always got to get the more you

849
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 4: walk outside of your comfort zone, because the great line

850
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 4: is that success lies on the other side of fear.

851
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 5: That's and that's what you have to You have to

852
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 5: get beyond your fears. We all have them.

853
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 4: And so the more you could put yourself in an

854
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 4: uncomfortable moment, the more you diminish your fears, which then

855
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 4: to me permits you to react in a situation with

856
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 4: an anticipation of good and not a fear of doing

857
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 4: something bad.

858
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 5: I think it's all interconnected, right, But tell us.

859
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 3: The story when you were with the Rais and you

860
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 3: were doing a base running drill and Carlos Paina made

861
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 3: a mistake in the base running drill. It was a

862
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 3: it was a minor mistake, but you corrected him and

863
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 3: then I know the story. Job, but it'll be way

864
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 3: better if you tell it. Do you remember his response

865
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 3: when you told him I got you got this raw?

866
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 3: What he responded by, I don't.

867
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:54,479
Speaker 5: I'm not going to lie to you. I don't remember.

868
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 5: I do remember doing all this, but I need you

869
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 5: need to jog me a little.

870
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 3: Bit, Jo, My memory is too good. By the way,

871
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 3: it is my greatest cursed Also, all right.

872
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: Joe, for the record, the amount of times in one

873
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: year of is this a great game?

874
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 3: Or what?

875
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 2: That he has started this?

876
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: And guess I had to say, Tim, you're gonna have

877
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: to help me here.

878
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 2: Stories he wasn't even there for.

879
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 1: All right, I was it's it's it's a I'm clapping dad,

880
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 1: because it's an incredible memory.

881
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 3: You do have a right, Joe, your first base when

882
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 3: Carlos Payne you quoted Martin Luther King?

883
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 5: Do you okay? Go ahead, yes, go ahead.

884
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 3: Explain what happened roughly that day when he made a

885
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 3: mistake on the basis and gave you his answer.

886
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 4: It was first to third. I think it was the

887
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 4: first the third row? Was that correct?

888
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 5: The first the third row? And and please tell me

889
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 5: the quote.

890
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 3: You can't remember the exact quote, but your point you

891
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 3: you got him off the hook because of his reasoning

892
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 3: right exactly.

893
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 4: Well, Carlos always is going to have a good reason.

894
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 4: I mean, my god, I love this man. I mean,

895
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 4: he comes to us from Detroit. I think at that time,

896
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 4: Andrew calls me in the off season and what do

897
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 4: you think about Carlos Penias as well. You know, I've

898
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 4: always been a big fan of this guy's got huge power, whatever, whatever, whatever.

899
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,760
Speaker 4: And then he comes to that camp, the first camp

900
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 4: with us, and we're ready to keep Norton the third baseman,

901
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 4: first baseman could really hit, and Carlos comes in my

902
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 4: office and says, we're no, I'm supposed to be here.

903
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 4: You guys are making a mistake. I've already seen it. No,

904
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 4: this is wrong. We're playing our last exhibition game that

905
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 4: day and Norton gets hurt. He gets hurt, and all

906
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 4: of a sudden, who's on the roster forty six home

907
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 4: runs later later, Carlos paenya. But Carlos is so bright

908
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 4: he made that whatever the mistake was going first to third,

909
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 4: I would imagine it did not hit the inside of

910
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 4: the bag, nor did he probably snap his head to

911
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 4: the next space. Those are the things that would really

912
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 4: be emphasizing at that point. First, the third, reading your

913
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 4: keys properly as you look behind you, did the right field,

914
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 4: right field before you started, did the center field, and

915
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 4: move loatterly. I mean, all these different things I would discuss,

916
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 4: so he would suck it up and take it and

917
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 4: then only he could come back with to me with

918
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 4: Martin Luther King, you know, And at that point I

919
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 4: just got to shut up. I mean, it's like, you're right, Okay,

920
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 4: I accept this, and I wish I could remember the

921
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 4: exact quote.

922
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 5: You know, I got a dream. I don't even know

923
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 5: what he talked about at that point. Maybe he had the.

924
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:27,720
Speaker 4: Dream like I was talking about what he was supposed

925
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 4: to be on the team when I said he wasn't

926
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:29,760
Speaker 4: for Norton.

927
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 5: So anyway, Loos the best. Los.

928
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 4: I'm so happy for his success. But I loved, I'd

929
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 4: loved when I get those guys that really kind of

930
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 4: right and he's very bright, and then he would throw

931
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 4: stuff at me, man, and he would always he would

932
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 4: always corner me, would start talking about different things, and

933
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 4: it was the best.

934
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 5: But you're absolutely right, and I do remember that.

935
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: Specifically, Joe, I want to talk to you about the

936
00:47:53,280 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen Chicago Cubs and hopefully my dad's okay, because

937
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: so little background. In twenty sixteen, I was a morning

938
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: radio host in Cleveland, Ohio. It was my first job

939
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: out of college, and naturally, as my dad taught me,

940
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,240
Speaker 1: it's so important to support the teams of the city

941
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: you're living in, and so I embrace the then Cleveland Indians.

942
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: You had Terry Francona, Francisco Lindor. It was a great team,

943
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: right And then of course we get to the World

944
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 1: Series and it's two storied franchises to storied droughts. Obviously,

945
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: the Cubs make the Indians drought at the time look

946
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: like nothing.

947
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 2: But Game seven, I was standing room only.

948
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: I just had to be in the stadium and we

949
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,919
Speaker 1: talked to David Ross, who had a great, amazing home

950
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 1: run in that and we talked to him a little

951
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: bit about how Chicago embraced him kind of forever. Now

952
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: for you being solidified in Chicago allure, so to speak.

953
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: How cool is that for you to kind of have

954
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: that notch on your belt.

955
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 3: I know you're too.

956
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 1: Humble to admit that any thing other than that, but

957
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: that must be pretty awesome.

958
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 4: I love going back to Chicago, and I love going

959
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:09,240
Speaker 4: back to Chicago because of the people. That fan base

960
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 4: is extraordinary. I mean I knew that the backtrack livele Digress.

961
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 4: I knew nothing about that, this this the Cubs and

962
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 4: the lure. Before I got I was an American leaguer.

963
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 4: I had never even been to Wrigley Field before the

964
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 4: race played there for the first time in twenty fourteen.

965
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 4: That's the first time I went there. Uh, stay on

966
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 4: on TV. When I got there, I ran into the clubhouse,

967
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 4: put my my backpack down, and ran right down to

968
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 4: the bench because I had to say it with my

969
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 4: own eyes, and I was not disappointed.

970
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:37,760
Speaker 5: That was how it began.

971
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 4: And for me, I would I live downtown. I had

972
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 4: to live downtown. I wanted to feel it. I'd walk

973
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 4: around and go for my breakfast, join in the morning, whatever,

974
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 4: I go for my bike ride on. Like sure, they're tremendous,

975
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 4: but you always people would stop and talk to you.

976
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 4: And all they wanted to do was stop and talk

977
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 4: to you. It was not they didn't want an autograph,

978
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 4: they didn't want a photograph. They just wanted to talk Cubs.

979
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 4: How much they appreciate It's kind of like my hometown.

980
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 4: I've always said this Hazels is like a microcosm of

981
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 4: this large city of Chicago, which is just a bunch

982
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 4: of neighborhoods, a big group of neighborhoods.

983
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 5: So anyway, I felt very comfortable.

984
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 4: There, and I felt very at ease with the people

985
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 4: there because I knew these people. I'm Italian Polish, a

986
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 4: lot of that happening there, right, And so when I

987
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 4: looked in their faces, when I the conversations, they made

988
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 4: me feel very accepted. And I was in a big

989
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 4: city but didn't feel like it. And that's it. When

990
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 4: I go back there, I've done different gigs back there. Yeah,

991
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 4: you walk in the hotel, you walk in a restaurant, whatever. Still,

992
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 4: and I did something at Crawley's cub Cave.

993
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 5: They call it something. It's out in the suburbs a

994
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 5: couple of years ago. I mean, four hundred and five

995
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 5: hundred people in.

996
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 4: The guy's backyard with a tent, you know, huge, and

997
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 4: then you go into his house and he's got like this,

998
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 4: this altar to the Cubs, this shrine of the Cubs.

999
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 5: It's sincere. It's amazing.

1000
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 4: It's the most fortunate part of my baseball career that

1001
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 4: I was given that opportunity to be there at that time,

1002
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,280
Speaker 4: and you know, for me, Chicago, the city, the people,

1003
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 4: I think for me, if I could live there, I

1004
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 4: would live there. The weather was so bad, but I

1005
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 4: love that place that much and I love going back there.

1006
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 1: You know, Joe, we called it the kirkshin World Series

1007
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 1: because at the time, my sister was living in Chicago

1008
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: and I was living in Cleveland. And I made a

1009
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 1: bet on baseball tonight that whoever won the series would

1010
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 1: have to have the other person pay for their flight

1011
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: back home to see our parents for Christmas. So David

1012
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: Ross didn't seem too open to helping me out with that.

1013
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 2: It's been a couple of.

1014
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: Years, but I just, you know, you just kind of

1015
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:43,399
Speaker 1: screwed me out of a couple hundred bucks.

1016
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 2: I just wanted to let you know now.

1017
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 5: Well, you were just flying back to Maryland, right it was. Yeah,

1018
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 5: I don't feel so bad for you.

1019
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: That was a historic year and pretty incredible, and Chicago

1020
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: fan base is just unbelievable. So to hear that you're

1021
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: so connected and sold in that history is amazing, Right.

1022
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 3: Joe, Back to the Rays, when you had Stephen vote

1023
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 3: the Manager of the Year in the American League this year,

1024
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 3: and he was one of your players. He routinely would

1025
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 3: imitate you in spring trailing. Can you tell us what

1026
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 3: that was like?

1027
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 5: He lampooned me. But he's the best, you know.

1028
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 4: First of all, you know, he was not supposed to

1029
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 4: ever be a big league player, according to the front

1030
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:27,760
Speaker 4: offices in the scutting department.

1031
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 5: But the guy can hit. He could absolutely hit.

1032
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 4: So he kept hitting his way up, up up, And

1033
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 4: then we brought him over to a big league game

1034
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 4: and he was so entertaining the guys wanted him back again.

1035
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 4: And we would put him in the circle in the

1036
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 4: morning like we do, and that he would entertain the

1037
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 4: whole group. Gets to the point where he finally gets

1038
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 4: to know me well enough that we had like a

1039
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 4: talent show that first year, those two thousand and excuse me,

1040
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 4: two thousand and eight at Port Charlotte talent show was tremendous.

1041
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 4: Percival as a judge, the Floy's a judge. All these

1042
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 4: dudes are the judge. And here comes Voter. This is

1043
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 4: out in the outfield on a deck. He comes out

1044
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 4: of his bicycle, which I did all the time with

1045
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 4: the dressed up like me with glasses like me, and

1046
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 4: with a fund he gets off the bat off the bike,

1047
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 4: and I always prop the fungo underneath my leg Cookie Row,

1048
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 4: I taught me how to do that. So he stands

1049
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 4: there like me and just starts extemporaneously saying a lot

1050
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 4: of big words, not making any sense whatsoever, being me

1051
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 4: and the place. Howled Voter is. You know, he's uh,

1052
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 4: he's so contagious.

1053
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 5: He is. Actually, he's like he's a pathogen. He's contagious.

1054
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 4: And when he got there, I knew, regardless of what

1055
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 4: he knows or doesn't know about managing a baseball team,

1056
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 4: him alone is going to make up for that as

1057
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 4: he plays ketchup.

1058
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 5: He is that.

1059
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 4: Appealing to a wide variety of people. He just is

1060
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 4: so doesn't surprise me. I love the way him and

1061
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 4: Carl got Karl Wilson, other guy.

1062
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 5: Carl the Truth.

1063
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 4: Carl used to have my picture underneath the bill of

1064
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 4: his cap when he pitched in Edmonton. Anytime I went

1065
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 4: in there as a as a roving instructor, the Truth

1066
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 4: would pitch well. So I mean to this day, for

1067
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:14,879
Speaker 4: a long time he kept by a picture underneath his hat,

1068
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 4: under his bill. So when I see him sitting there

1069
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 4: with Voter. That's kind of a cool gig. It makes

1070
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 4: me feel pretty good about it. And I really believe

1071
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 4: Voter again, as he understands the game better from the

1072
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 4: manager's seat. Combining that with his talents as an individual,

1073
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 4: as a human, his ability to relate to people, it's

1074
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 4: going to get pretty special.

1075
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 3: But Joe, you do use a lot of big words

1076
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 3: because you are a transly educated from Lafayette and you

1077
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 3: read more books than the average person could ever dream

1078
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 3: of reading. How important are words to you, not just

1079
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 3: as a manager and a baseball guy, but as a person.

1080
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 4: Well, I think it was Twain that said, and Mark

1081
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 4: Twain said, a the cool stuff. The difference between the

1082
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 4: right word and the wrong word is like the difference

1083
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 4: between lightning and the lightning bug. Something along those lines, right,

1084
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 4: and that really synopsizes is the whole thing. I mean, Yes,

1085
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 4: starting nineteen seventy four or five, whatever that was, I

1086
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:19,800
Speaker 4: told you this story. It's in our book of Joe,

1087
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:24,280
Speaker 4: Me and Tommy Erducci, Uncle Chuck Game Centennial by James Mitchner.

1088
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 4: Now Mitchener, of course he could not have researched all

1089
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 4: of that, but Michener's books were normally right around a

1090
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 4: thousand pages.

1091
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 5: I couldn't put it down.

1092
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 4: And it really starts about plate tectonics, how animals move

1093
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:40,919
Speaker 4: from from Russia Asia over the Bering Sea straight which

1094
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 4: was frozen.

1095
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 5: They'd come over North America end up in Colorado. And

1096
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 5: I was hooked.

1097
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 4: I was absolutely hooked at that particular junctre. So I

1098
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 4: read so many Mitchener books from that moment on favorite

1099
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 4: author Pat Conroy, probably because I just don't know. I

1100
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,320
Speaker 4: don't know I've read anybody that could put his stiens

1101
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 4: together better or more interestingly then Pat Conry can do.

1102
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:07,240
Speaker 4: I started with Beach Music, leon URIs, Exodus, The Hodge,

1103
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 4: Keep moving Forward, you know all the popular ones, Grisham,

1104
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 4: all those guys, Greg Ayle, some great stuff, spaned Out, Phoenix.

1105
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 5: All these books.

1106
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 4: I love fiction, but I love educational fiction, you know,

1107
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 4: stuff that was rooted in fact also, And of course

1108
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 4: I read Joe name it stuff because I'm a name

1109
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 4: it guy. But I'm telling you, Timmy, I don't I

1110
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 4: used to read, I swear to you, at least two

1111
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 4: books a month, probably like real books can fall It,

1112
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 4: Pillars of the Earth World Without and all these Ken

1113
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 4: follow stuff. Another thing, The Fall of Giants, the last

1114
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 4: thing you did the trilogy, unbelievably great. So yes, my

1115
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 4: interest in words, in reading was born of Uncle Chuck.

1116
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 4: My Uncle Chuck that one day, tell me read this,

1117
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 4: and then from that it moved into the Source the Caribbean,

1118
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 4: all these different missioner books, and the Drifters. That's the

1119
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 4: one that really made my mind jump. I just so

1120
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 4: wanted to go to Europe and travel and be young

1121
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 4: and travel and not worry about, you know, where's the

1122
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 4: next buck coming from. All these guys did that for me,

1123
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 4: and I think it's simpiltrated my craft as a manager

1124
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 4: and what I do as a manager because I see

1125
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 4: things differently, I understand differently, and I think that was

1126
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 4: a gift that Uncle Chuck gave to me.

1127
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: Joe, I've heard so many amazing stories of the work

1128
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: you've done in your hometown of Hazleton, which currently from

1129
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: where I am in beautiful Montgomery County, Pennsylvania's only ninety

1130
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: minutes away, so we're not too far from each other.

1131
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: And you mentioned at the top of the show your

1132
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: nephew is my physical therapist, Mike, who I run into

1133
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: at the local Chinese food restaurant, so we live about

1134
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: six minutes away from each other, and Dad, I joked

1135
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: about this before we hit record. On our first session,

1136
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 1: I was having some really bad planner fasci itis. We

1137
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 1: basically didn't talk about my foot the entire time. We

1138
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: just talked about Joe and you, Dad, and that connection

1139
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 1: in baseball, which I think is just so beautiful that

1140
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: that you know, when you find a connection and mutual

1141
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: connection in baseball. But back to Hazelton, my dad has

1142
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:12,919
Speaker 1: been a part of some amazing events that you've done.

1143
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 5: I know that cal Rifken.

1144
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: Junior has been a part of it. Take us to

1145
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: what that means to you, what that event is, and

1146
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: what it benefits, because I know it's really important to you.

1147
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll just thought synopsize again. Here give you the

1148
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 4: cliff notes. This began in twenty ten. I went back

1149
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 4: home for Christmas and it was really upset. I grew

1150
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 4: up in the best town in the world ever to

1151
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 4: grow up in as a kid, and it no longer

1152
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 4: was that it was dark. There was fear all over

1153
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 4: the city. There was this rift between the incoming Hispanic

1154
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 4: community versus the existing Anglo community, and it wasn't going

1155
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 4: to go anywhere good positively in iner future wasn't going

1156
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 4: to happen. And I flew back to California. I thinking

1157
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 4: to myself, I got to do something. I got to

1158
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 4: do something here. This is not going to work playing

1159
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 4: in baseball, well being in baseball, so many Hispanic members,

1160
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 4: and just in general terms, we've been able to expand

1161
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 4: on horizons internationally just by the people that we meet.

1162
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 5: So I get back and I'm upset.

1163
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 4: So I called my cousin Bob and Elane, and we

1164
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 4: started with the thought, I mean, we needed to do

1165
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 4: something because I saw it as the people that I

1166
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 4: grew up with are pushing these people away, and I'm saying, no, no, no,

1167
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 4: we have to draw them in because they're the ones

1168
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 4: that are going to save our city. The city was

1169
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 4: pretty much you know you talk about rust belt. There

1170
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 4: was nothing going on. There was no real industry. There's

1171
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 4: some warehousing and all that kind of stuff. Cole was

1172
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 4: no longer king as it had been. So these guys

1173
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 4: are coming in. They're coming in with families, and they're

1174
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 4: looking for the American dream. Inexpensive housing, good schools, much

1175
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 4: better schools, an opportunity for work. Because interstate eighty one

1176
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 4: meet right there. There's all these warehousing stuff going on

1177
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 4: out there with like low skill but good paying jobs

1178
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 4: and an opportunity to get your feet on the ground.

1179
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 4: So these were the perfect people to get us going.

1180
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 4: So how do you do this?

1181
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 5: How do you make this work? So we had to.

1182
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 4: I went to a daycare center after church on a Sunday.

1183
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 4: I was a Hispanic daycare center, and the lady's name

1184
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 4: is ne york Cup. And I'm watching this whole thing

1185
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 4: unfold and I'm seeing like low tables with adults knee

1186
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 4: sitting above and pot luck on the table. I'm seeing

1187
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 4: kids running everywhere. Everything's out of control. It's like one

1188
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 4: or two in the afternoon. And I thought to myself, Wow,

1189
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 4: this is exactly what my house used to look like

1190
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 4: back in the sixties and pretty much the sixties. And

1191
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 4: I thought, at that point, we are pushing this away

1192
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 4: and this is exactly who we were and what we need.

1193
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 5: So that was how it was born.

1194
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 4: And then we eventually started like with an event to

1195
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 4: raise money was Jogi Baron Don Zimmer and Lowitz's catering hall.

1196
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 4: That's how it began, and all of a sudden, we're

1197
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 4: raising some bucks, and then Bob starts writing grants and

1198
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 4: then eventually buy MPB School, which is a former elementary

1199
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 4: junior high school, twenty five classrooms, full cafeteria, full gymnasium

1200
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 4: that the Ripkins provided money to put an all purpose

1201
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 4: floor on that gym that's still is jammed every day there.

1202
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 4: And then you got adult education, you got after school education,

1203
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 4: and now we're winning national awards for you know, pretty

1204
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 4: much setting an example. This is how to do this thing.

1205
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 1: You know, you started with the Jogi barra and then

1206
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 1: you upgraded to bringing my dad in big upgrade.

1207
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 5: Very good, All right enough plus right.

1208
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 3: I'm telling you one of the highlights of my career

1209
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 3: was one night in Hazelton. I was the moderator and

1210
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 3: Joe and Cal Ripken spoke for an hour and all

1211
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 3: I did was like ask one question and then the

1212
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 3: rest of the hour was a back and forth between

1213
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 3: Cal Ripken and Joe Madden. And when it was over,

1214
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 3: I had to tell everyone in the crowd, one hundred

1215
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 3: people who paid one thousand dollars each, that you have

1216
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 3: just been let in on some of the greatest inside

1217
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 3: baseball that I have ever heard. Joe, do you remember

1218
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 3: that back and forth you had with Cal Junior.

1219
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 4: It was fascinating, absolutely, And I do remember pointing out

1220
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 4: the fact that he used to call pitches from short

1221
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 4: stuff and I was I was driving me nuts to

1222
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 4: try to figure out his different signs. When I first

1223
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 4: caught onto those coaching first base, so that would have

1224
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 4: been nineteen ninety five, Yes, when I first caught onto it.

1225
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 4: So I'm watching all these different things. He would like,

1226
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 4: put his arms over his head, he'd bite the string

1227
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 4: on his glove, he would kick his foot one way

1228
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 4: or the other.

1229
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 5: He would look right or would look left, and you.

1230
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 4: Know, Hoyle's is catching, and I'm trying to figure out.

1231
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 4: There's times I thought I got a couple of pitches.

1232
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 4: I figured him out for half any or whatever, but

1233
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 4: then he would blow up the whole whatever the key was.

1234
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 4: But I found that very interesting that Cal would call

1235
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 4: pitches from shortstops.

1236
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 5: We talked about that. He didn't deny it. That was

1237
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 5: not denied.

1238
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 3: It was tremendous.

1239
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 5: Jeff.

1240
01:02:56,720 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 3: Another night that I was in Hazelton, Bill Murray showed it. Yeah,

1241
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 3: and help me with this, Joe, Joe Namath came to

1242
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 3: one of those correct tell us about Bill Murray and

1243
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 3: Joe Namath separately going to Hazelton.

1244
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, this will I can't remember where I was at exactly,

1245
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 4: but Murray, Bill Murray texted or called him, texted me

1246
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 4: and invited me to a gig in New York City,

1247
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 4: and I truly had something else going on. And then

1248
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 4: I said, but next week I have this thing going

1249
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 4: on in Hazelton at the Valley Country Club.

1250
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 5: I'd love for you to attend.

1251
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 4: It would be you know whatever, big great, Uh can

1252
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 4: you possibly do that? He said maybe, And he by

1253
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,439
Speaker 4: saying maybe, I said, Okay, this is probably gonna happen.

1254
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 4: He dropped the big mayby on this. Then all of

1255
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 4: a sudden, at six p m. Right about six, him

1256
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 4: and his entourage, the door is open. Here comes Bill

1257
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 4: Murray and his entourage into the Valley Country Club, and

1258
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 4: of course he goes and sees my mom Beanie, takes

1259
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 4: pictures with Beanie, and of course all my cousins started

1260
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 4: gathering around him.

1261
01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 5: But he was fabulous.

1262
01:03:57,520 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 4: He was there for a couple hours, He had a

1263
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 4: great time, and he was obviously the hit of the night.

1264
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 4: But obviously that that got started with the thing with

1265
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 4: the cubs. And I used to visit with them out there,

1266
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 4: and god, he was great.

1267
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 5: And so he did.

1268
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 4: That started with him asking me and I really couldn't

1269
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 4: make it. But then he shows up two hours away,

1270
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 4: drives over for the night, and then drives back to

1271
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:18,479
Speaker 4: New York City.

1272
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 5: That's how that happened. And the name it.

1273
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 4: I've always been a Nameath fan, so I came remember

1274
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 4: with the exact spreen training with Rick Vaughan. I started

1275
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 4: out talking about different things. That started out my.

1276
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 5: Coaches meeting at Port Charlotte.

1277
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 4: With this, I didn't talk about the game winder, I says,

1278
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 4: first of all, I have one edic request, whatever you

1279
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 4: want to call for this camp. Joe Namath has to

1280
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 4: show up at our camp at some point this year.

1281
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 4: That was it, and I powered Chico. Chico Fornettis was

1282
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 4: our video guy. I also called them my concierge. This

1283
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 4: is for the concierge. You need to get name it

1284
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 4: here somehow. I don't care when we got to see

1285
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 4: Joe Namath in camp this year. Okay, the eventually that

1286
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 4: gets turned over Rick Vaughn, who's our media guy, and

1287
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 4: eventually we go down and play. The Cardinals are the

1288
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 4: Marlins in Jupiter and who shows up at Joe. Joe

1289
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 4: shows up and he's with us for an entire game

1290
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 4: in the dugout in uniform, just shirt and hat, and

1291
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Speaker 4: we talked the whole game and we hit it off

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Speaker 4: so well. So then eventually I asked if he would

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Speaker 4: come to one of our events. It was downtown Hazelton,

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Speaker 4: really cool building. It really one of our more elaborate events.

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Speaker 4: We have sent a private playing down for him and

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Speaker 4: back he showed up, obviously, big hit, and since then

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Speaker 4: we stay in touch. I've done his golf tournaments a

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Speaker 4: couple of times. I don't know if you've ever ever

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Speaker 4: had a chance to speak with Joe, but he's Western Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 4: I'm northeastern Pennsylvania. He's grown up. What was the Hungarian

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Speaker 4: I think was his background? Me Polish side of it.

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Speaker 4: It's just so easy, The conversations are so easy. So

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Speaker 4: we become like pretty good buds. And that's how it

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01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 4: all began. Chico, I want to see name of the

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01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 4: camp this year, and Bill Murray dropped the maybe on me,

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01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 4: and that's how both of those things got wronged.

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01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 3: And you wore white spikes in high school as a football,

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01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 3: of course because of Joe name if correct.

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01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wore the bigger face mask number twelve white

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01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 4: ry Dell's and eventually when I got to Laffyette, my

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01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 4: first drink of choice was Scotch because that's the Joe

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01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 4: Giant and I told him so well.

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Speaker 5: He's right, Johnny Walker, I was with. I did doers

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01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 5: white label so well well.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of Rick vaughn, our dear friend who helps Joe

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01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 3: with PR and was a PR guy with the Orioles,

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01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 3: one of my best friends of the whole world, he

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01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 3: told me that you play golf every day, like literally

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01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 3: every day. Is that true? And how? Yeah? Are you

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01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 3: getting any better? Because the last time I talked to

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01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 3: you, you told me he stunk.

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Speaker 5: I do steak at the time I stunk. Yesterday I

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01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 5: played really well. I played well last.

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01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 4: Week and I won my match and the club in

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01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 4: the match play Club Championships I'm playing in tomorrow. I

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01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 4: beat a really good golfer last Saturday. I can't believe

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01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 4: by Sunday, came from behind him down by three strokes

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01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 4: after twelve and I win.

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Speaker 5: So I down a little bit. Yes, Then I played

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Speaker 5: again two days ago. Was great.

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Speaker 4: I should have had a seventy eight one o B

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01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 4: at the end screwed me up. And then yesterday I stunk.

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01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 4: I absolutely freaking stunk. So today after we get done

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01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:13,919
Speaker 4: one of the driver range because I stink with my driver,

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01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 4: that's where I stink. And I'm playing I'm big Max tomorrow,

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01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 4: so I got to get the driver's graight. So I'm

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01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 4: gonna go do that, go to the gym, get good

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01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 4: rest tonight, and then I'm gonna go out and play

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01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 4: Tomorre and try to win. And if I win, the

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01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 4: more I play again on Sunday, I'm down like an

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01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 4: eight seven eight handicap kind of a guy.

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01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 3: Wow.

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01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 5: And you know, so it's listen. I have my moments.

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01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 4: I even shot part once last summer at the Valley

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01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 4: Country Club, which I've never been able to.

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01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 5: I said once. Then the next day I was back

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01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 5: eighty five. You know.

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01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 4: It's just like, that's the thing about this game and

1349
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 4: so wonderful. I need to Yes, it's almost every day,

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01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 4: but I'm what I'm doing now because I'm coming off

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01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 4: a back surgery last year. I had to lam aneacdomy

1352
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 4: last year, so I'm trying to balance it out to

1353
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 4: not every day golf. Maybe there to gym, maybe day

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01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 4: off golf, golf. I'm trying to like maybe four or

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01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:02,439
Speaker 4: five days a week at the most.

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Speaker 3: Now, Jeff, so typical of our baseball players, who are

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01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 3: such great athletes. I just think of this game. He's

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01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 3: a seven, he's an eight. He shot seventy eight. That

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01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 3: beats ninety nine point nine percent of the people who've

1360
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 3: ever tried to play that diabolical game. So I don't

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01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 3: want to hear it anymore.

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01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 4: Joe, Yeah, I'm missing I study it watching videos.

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01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:24,680
Speaker 5: This morning, I'm going over there.

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01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 4: I'm going to the Chichi Rodriguez driving Range in a

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01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:28,679
Speaker 4: couple of minutes to work on a couple of things.

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01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 5: Because if I get off the tea tomorrow.

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01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 4: The local pro Anthony down at the member of Saint

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01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 4: Pete Country Club. Now he's helped me dramatically with my chipping,

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01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 4: chipping and putty good off, Iron's good. I just bought

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01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 4: some Mazuno's. I love him, and I just got to

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01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 4: get off the tee and once I get up to tech,

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Speaker 4: I'll be able to play consistently, you know, high seventies,

1373
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:52,639
Speaker 4: low eighties at the worst.

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01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:54,400
Speaker 5: I should be able to do that. If I could

1375
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 5: get off the team.

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01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 3: All right, Well, Joe, we could talk to you for hours,

1377
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 3: especially about spring training. We want to make sure we

1378
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:05,800
Speaker 3: get you to the course because we need you to

1379
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 3: win tomorrow, because we know how upset you'll be if

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01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 3: you don't play well tomorrow. He's studying tapes, Jeff. He's

1381
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 3: almost seventy years old, and he's studying tapes of golf,

1382
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:21,720
Speaker 3: his third best sport after baseball and football.

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01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 5: Seventy one as a fibulary, Sorry, Joe, Sorry.

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01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:29,720
Speaker 4: Seventy was a new fifty one. When I got my

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01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 4: job with the Rays, I was fifty one. I said

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01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:34,759
Speaker 4: fifty one was a new thirty one. So I'm staying

1387
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 4: with that mathematical equation. Seventy one is a new fifty one,

1388
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 4: and I'm sticking to it.

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01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 5: Brother.

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Speaker 1: Well, Joe Madden, thank you so much for joining the podcast.

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01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 1: Thank you for the patience with my dad's inability to technology.

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01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:55,599
Speaker 1: Let's just say Joe was redded agout and we were

1393
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 1: still plugging things in when he was on the video at.

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01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 5: Jeff Timke's perfect. It's right around two o'clock. I'm good, Jack.

1395
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 3: We got What you don't know is that one day

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01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 3: we were doing a game in Chicago. Joe's the manager

1397
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 3: of the Cubs, and I'm having find I'm having technological issues,

1398
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:13,680
Speaker 3: and he takes my cell phone and in front of

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01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 3: all the press, he shows me how to do a

1400
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:18,800
Speaker 3: function on it that everyone else in the world. The

1401
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 3: manager of the Cubs was teaching me how to use

1402
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 3: my cell phone.

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01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 5: Thank you for that, Joe, and I was honored. Thank

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01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:28,160
Speaker 5: you and everybody.

1405
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 1: We'll have to have you as a repeat guest because

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01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 1: I feel like we could talk for another three hours.

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01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 4: Thank you, Joe, any subject you want, any subject you want, guys,

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01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 4: thank you.

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01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 1: Thank you to Joe Madden for joining us and a

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01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:41,719
Speaker 1: perfect guest for our spring training episode.

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01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 3: Dad, I need to.

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01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 2: Know, did you Were you able to look up the

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01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 2: Martin Luther King Junior?

1414
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:48,719
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's not a great quote. I'm so embarrassed

1415
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 3: and I couldn't think of it at the time. But again,

1416
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 3: we were right about this. Joe Madden was right. Carlos Paying,

1417
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 3: a funny guy, tried to go from first to third

1418
01:10:57,400 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 3: in a base running drill and got thrown out, and

1419
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 3: he argued with Joe Madden that maybe it wasn't a mistake.

1420
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:07,880
Speaker 3: He said, because and then he quoted the Martin Luther

1421
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:11,719
Speaker 3: King Freedom Speech and he said, in which Martin Luther

1422
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 3: King basically said, it's okay to go to prison if

1423
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 3: you are going there for the right reason. So he

1424
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 3: was going first to third for the right reason, and

1425
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 3: even though he got thrown out, he should not be

1426
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:29,799
Speaker 3: found guilty of that. He should not go to prison

1427
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 3: for that because his heart was in the right place

1428
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:35,479
Speaker 3: on what he was trying to do. As Joe Madden said,

1429
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 3: this is unbelievable. It's spring training and my first basement

1430
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 3: is quoting doctor Martin Luther King.

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01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 2: That's incredible.

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Speaker 1: Joe Madden, thank you again for being our guest. To

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Speaker 1: all of you listening, thank you so much for always

1434
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:52,960
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Speaker 1: Dad Will See you in two weeks for our final

1441
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 1: offseason episode can't.

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Speaker 3: Wait to get back to once a week during the

1443
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:13,879
Speaker 3: baseball season.

1444
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening, and as always, thanks

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Speaker 2: for being a part of our family,