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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class from how

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Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Sarah Downey and bring the truck Reporting. And one

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Speaker 1: of the funniest things about this podcast is when listeners

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Speaker 1: seem to suddenly all be on the same wavelength. I mean,

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Speaker 1: sometimes they know what we're about to research, which is

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Speaker 1: super weird, or what we're about to record, what we're

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Speaker 1: looking on. You get a request for a topic the

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Speaker 1: very same day you are researching and recording. It really strange.

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Speaker 1: But late this spring I received a suggestion, a listener suggestion,

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Speaker 1: one that was really fascinating, one that was very unusual founding.

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Speaker 1: It was from a listener named Jenny and the subject

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Speaker 1: line of the suggestion was the patron Saint of Transvestites. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so that's enough to catch your attention right there. But

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Speaker 1: the email went on to outline the life of the

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Speaker 1: Chevalier Dion, who was a French soldier, spy, and diplomat.

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Speaker 1: About a month after that, and this is what I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about when I'm saying listeners being in the same wavelength,

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Speaker 1: we got another vote for the seemingly obscure Chevalier, this

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Speaker 1: time from listener Marianne, and then another just a few

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Speaker 1: days after that from Todd. Maybe they're all friends, and

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Speaker 1: you know they were all friends that well, now people

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Speaker 1: know the secret and they do this um. But it

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Speaker 1: seemed that a portrait of this Chevalier had recently emerged,

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Speaker 1: the sitter had long been misidentified as a woman, and

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Speaker 1: it was causing a bit of a stir in the

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Speaker 1: art world, Or at least that's what one of them

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Speaker 1: later told me when she was explaining how so many

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Speaker 1: not long after they had written, the Chevalier story started

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Speaker 1: making international news when London's National Portrait Gallery announced that

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Speaker 1: it had acquired this portrait, the very first oil painting

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Speaker 1: in their collection of a man in women's clothing. But

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Speaker 1: like most art we discussed on the show, the portrait

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Speaker 1: has its own mysterious backstory, which we're going to discuss

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Speaker 1: in a second episode. But first we need to talk

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Speaker 1: about the Chevalier's own fascinating life, which involves several things,

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Speaker 1: including a nosey Madon de Pompadour, who, of course we've

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Speaker 1: that this involves and also something called the King's Secret

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Speaker 1: and also the most outrageous immunity deal you've ever heard of,

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Speaker 1: so plenty to come, truly outrageous. But our story starts

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Speaker 1: in seventeen Antonair, Burgundy, and our subjects name, where are

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Speaker 1: you going to do the full thing one time? Because

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Speaker 1: So fortunately for us, he later becomes to the Chevalier

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Speaker 1: and will mostly be calling him Dale. But his family

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Speaker 1: for him, he was a very good student, very bright,

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Speaker 1: started publishing books on royal finance and modern politics, before

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Speaker 1: in History Today, while he was considered somewhat androgynous, there

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