1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece Cult Mom Laurie Valoe. Will 2 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: she ever go away? Sadly, the answer is no. We're 3 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: stuck with her, whether she's convicted or she's acquitted. God 4 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: help us all, She's never going away. In the last hours, 5 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 1: the bombshell claim that the murders of two of her children, 6 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: JJ entirely could have been avoided. This as a Netflix 7 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: movie documentary swirls. Will that documentary on Netflix make it 8 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: impossible to strike a fair and impartial jury? I mean, 9 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: I see, Grace, This is Crime Stories. Thank you for 10 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation and serious M 11 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,639 Speaker 1: one eleven before we get too carried away on Laurie 12 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: Valo aka cult Mom, and yes I named her that. 13 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: Let's just don't forget that seven year old j J. 14 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: Valo was murdered, wrapped up, her medically sealed with tape 15 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: and plastic, and buried and her I guess was that 16 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: her fourth husband, Jackie the fourth husband's basically his backyard, 17 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: and her daughter, sixteen year old Tyley, was murdered, dismembered, 18 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: rendered down to practically nothing as if she had never existed, 19 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: and also buried in Chad Dayville's backyard. Let's just keep 20 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: that in mind as we talk about Mommy cult Mom, 21 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: Laurie Valo again, thank you for me with us here 22 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: at Fox Nation in series XM one eleven. Could the 23 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: martyrs of these two children have been avoided? I say yes. 24 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. JJ and his sister Tyley 25 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: disappeared in September twenty nineteen after their mother, Laurie Valo 26 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,679 Speaker 1: day Bell, moved them from Arizona to Idaho. The move 27 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: came after Chandler police say Laurie's brother shot and killed 28 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: her then husband, Charles Valo, who is JJ's adoptive father, 29 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 1: in July twenty nineteen, and months before all of that, 30 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 1: emails show that Charles shared concerns about Laurie's darkening religious 31 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: beliefs with JJ's school leaders, noting he had to file 32 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 1: an order of protection against his wife. In February twenty nineteen, 33 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: the school told police they reported to child Services to 34 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: quote ensure we were doing our due diligence and protecting JJ. 35 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: Let me understand, guys, you're hearing our friends at twelve 36 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: News joining me right now an incredible panel to make 37 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: sense of what we know right now. But for us 38 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: to the news director of the East Idaho News dot com, 39 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: Nate Eaten. You can also find him on Facebook at 40 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: Nate Eating Reporter. Nate, thank you for being with us. 41 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: Let me understand this. Charles Valo, who is JJ's adoptive dad, 42 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 1: in July twenty nineteen, I've got to get my months straight. 43 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: He shared concerns with JJ's school about cult mom Laurie Valo. 44 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: The school knew there was a problem, right grant, and 45 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: what if anything did the school do well? The school 46 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: was kind of tied because Laurie was going to the 47 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: school saying everything's fine, Okay, well wait wait, I'm sorry, 48 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: my head is spinning around three hundred and sixty degrees. 49 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: The school was tied. The school is supposed to be 50 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: tied to the law, which says if you have reason 51 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: to suspect a child is being neglected or abused, you, 52 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: the teacher, the principal are to report it to the state. 53 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: You could explain to me, Nate Eaten, how the school was, 54 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: in your words, tied. Well, the issue was that Laurie 55 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: and Charles at this time are going through this. As 56 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: you mentioned, Charles was raising all sorts of concerns about 57 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: Laurie's mental health and the claims that she said she 58 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: was a goddess, that Jesus was returning, she was going 59 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: to usher him in. Please try not to drag Christ 60 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: into this. Okay, That's the last thing I need is 61 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: him mad at me. I want to get back to 62 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: why they didn't report it prompted or did they? I 63 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: don't know why they didn't report it. They did not 64 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: report it yet. David Leroy, high profile lawyer joining me 65 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: out of Boise, former Idaho attorney general, former lieutenant governor, 66 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: former prosecutor. You can find him at deep leroy dot com. 67 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: David Leroy that I know you're just the messenger Nate Eate, 68 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: but that is a bucket full of seeming hot bs. 69 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: They had a rate. Sorry, Nancy, that's not correct, and 70 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: Nate has given you the right answer. The kinds of 71 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: things that they were reported to the school simply doesn't 72 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: meet the standard kinds of profiles and tests for negligence 73 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 1: or abuse in that jurisdiction. Explain, Explain, Explain Why are 74 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: you saying that because a lot of moms are weird, 75 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: different and odd, the religious beliefs get confused and problematic 76 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 1: for CPS people to deal with without some kind of 77 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: physical or failure to thrive indication on these children, there 78 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: was no negligence or abuse for CPS to react to. Okay, 79 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,919 Speaker 1: did you say a lot of moms are weird? Odd? 80 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 1: And what was the other thing? Unusual? Okay, I play 81 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: guilty because I'm sure the people at the twin school 82 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: think that about me. But I guarante Dante you one thing, 83 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: David Leroy, When a parent calls the school and says, 84 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 1: I'm worried about my children's safety. My wife is behaving bizarrely, 85 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: and they do nothing, I think a jury might disagree 86 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 1: with you. Maybe you've been a politician for way too long, 87 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: because now the children are dead. I think you're assumming 88 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: faction on an evidence. You don't know what the parents 89 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: said about the other parent a the worst parent, but 90 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: obviously he was legitimately concerned. But again, the school is 91 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: looking for something that it can actually spell out to 92 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 1: CPS is negligence or abuse. Did you just say arguing 93 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: facts not in evidence, because that is an objection you 94 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: make in a court of law. Look around, you're not 95 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 1: in a court of laws. Okay, we're talking about what 96 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 1: really happened. Without a judge saying no, let's hearsay. That 97 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: doesn't qualify. Nate Aton, do you have any idea what 98 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: the complaint was that the dad lodged with the school? 99 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: What did he say was happening at home? Because maybe 100 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: if they had listened in contact the CPS, CHOP Protective 101 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: Services as I believe they should have, the children could 102 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: be alive today. But they're not. They're dead and dismembered. 103 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know the specifics, but what I 104 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: do know is that after Charles was shot, Laurie, whoa 105 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: after cult mom, shoots Charles Valo, who made the complaint 106 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: to the school. Okay, let me just let that sink 107 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: in for a moment, because you've got David Leroy out 108 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: of boys. He claiming, Yeah, we don't know there's anything 109 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: wrong with her. She shot him dead, then she to 110 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: kill the children. Okay, what, Nate Eton, Well, her brother 111 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: shoots him, but Laurie was there and she told Maurie 112 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: told several people, according to witness statement and different stories 113 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: about how Charles died. She told people at JJ's school 114 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: that he died of a heart attack. She told other 115 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: people that he died of suicide. She didn't have a 116 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: straight story when in reality it was her brother who 117 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: shot and killed him with JJ Ballow in the house, 118 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: according to the court documents. And then she took JJ. 119 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: You might recall she took him to school the day 120 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: that his dad was shot and killed. But on the 121 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: way they stopped at Burger King. They stopped at Walgreens 122 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: for her to get a pair of flip flops. She 123 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: then returned to the house where her husband. Yeah, because 124 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: her she's were covered in blood. Probably you gotta go 125 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: get some flips. So, David Leroy, you're still standing by 126 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: no mistreatment of the children there at the crime the murder, saying, 127 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: and then she takes him to school. I am the 128 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: most eager CPS group in the world and the most 129 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:52,719 Speaker 1: diligent principle at the school. Have to have something specific 130 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: that qualifies as negligence or abuse reflected in the physical 131 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: wellbeing or the mental wellbeing of those children, or there's 132 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: nothing upon which to proceed. David Leroy, you do know 133 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: that at the time Valoe contacted the Skill to say, 134 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: who's worried about the children's welfare? That cult mom had 135 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: already threatened to murder him. Sure, I have a problem 136 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: with that, leaving the children in the home when mommy's 137 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: threatening murder. But you know what, that's just me. Let's 138 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: take a listen again to eric is Stapleton twelve News. 139 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: Other emails from the FBI in December twenty nineteen indicate 140 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,599 Speaker 1: DCS had another report about the family. DCS confirms that 141 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: received two communications about the Value family in twenty nineteen, 142 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: but claims that neither resulted in an investigation because there 143 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 1: was no showing of abuse or neglect. An attorney for 144 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: DCS and a spokesperson declined to tell the IT team 145 00:09:43,280 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 1: how the agency came to these conclusions. Time Stories with 146 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. It sounds very much like the murders JJ 147 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: entirely could have been entirely avoided if the school and 148 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: Child Protective Services had acted when they should have. And 149 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: notice at the end of what twelve News is saying, 150 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: DCS refused to explain to the investigative team how the 151 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: agency came to the conclusion that the children were not 152 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: in danger. Nate Eton, joining me, news director East Idaho 153 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: News dot com, could you explain why this it's not 154 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: the headline on every newspaper in that jurisdiction I think 155 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: back in the time when this story broke, it was examined, 156 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: but Nancy examined, examined, think about all of the other 157 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: Looking back now, Charles Awas went to the police. We 158 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: have the body camera where he's raising these alerts saying 159 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 1: my wife needs to be taken into custody, she needs 160 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: a mental health exam. She was taken into custody for 161 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: a day, They questioned her, and they released her saying 162 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: that she was fine psychologically. They're looking back now, there 163 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: were several missteps that probably could have prevented all of you. Yeah, 164 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: you're right, You're absolutely right about that. But what I'm 165 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,079 Speaker 1: talking about is not in the bodycam footage. I'm talking 166 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: about the school because it's their duty to act if 167 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: they think there's a danger to the child, the school, CPS, 168 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: Child Protective Services, That's what I'm talking about. Doctor Angie Arnold. 169 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,839 Speaker 1: Can you please help me out here, doctor Arnold or 170 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: announced psychiatrists out the Atlanta jurisdiction at Angela Arnold MD 171 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: dot com. I mean, how many times do we have 172 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: to keep going over CPS not acting or school not 173 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: acting and then the child ends up dead? But Nancy, 174 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: that sure is putting a lot on the school if 175 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: they don't have any evidence of anything. They got two complaints, 176 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: doctor Angie, two complaints. Shouldn't they at least call INCBS 177 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: to invest gate and the least well, yeah, maybe they 178 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: should have, guys, I said at the beginning, keep in 179 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: mind children have been murdered and dismembered. Joe Scott do 180 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: you remember Joe Scott Morgan with me, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville 181 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: State University, author Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon started 182 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: to hit series body backs that just Scott Morgan getfin'd 183 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: throw on iHeart and beyond just Scott? How many times 184 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: are we going to talk about this? CPS doesn't act here, 185 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: they weren't even called in by the school, and the 186 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: children are dead, same song, second verse, Nancy for years 187 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: and years and years. And the thing about it is, 188 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: you know, even during my time to the corner in 189 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 1: New Orleans and with them in Atlanta, we would see 190 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: this repeated over and over and over again. And it's 191 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 1: not just isolated to this particular jurisdiction, it's nationwide. I mean, 192 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: we can't remove the children from the home and save 193 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: their lives if the school and CPS sits on their 194 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: thumb and does absolutely nothing. And then when they're asked, Hey, 195 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 1: why did you decide not to follow up? And they 196 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: refuse to answer. I think that's very, very telling. I 197 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 1: know that David Leroy and apparently doctor Angela Arnold disagree 198 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: with me. Not only do we have the bombshell claim 199 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 1: that the murderers of JJ and Tyler could have been 200 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: absolutely been avoided. We're learning that now. But is the 201 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: jury in jeopardy a jury trial for cult mom and 202 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 1: her fourth husband, the prophet as he calls himself Chad 203 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: day Bell because of a Netflix documentary. Take a listen 204 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,079 Speaker 1: to this. The three part documentary shows Laurie Dave Bell 205 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 1: as a beauty pageant can test It, talking about her 206 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: life as a wife and mom. I have a one, 207 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: heful husband, Joseph at home, who is watching our two 208 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: beautiful children, Colby, who seven and Tylie who is one. 209 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: Just weeks before the beauty pageant, she was a contestant 210 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: on Wheel of Fortune. Okay, go first, doc Isaac and 211 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: Captain Stoey. A Netflix documentary is hitting the airways prior 212 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: to the jury selection. Nate, What's the Name of It? 213 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: With our mother? Oh boy? Well, it couldn't be a 214 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: better title. Guys, Let's take a listen now to part 215 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: of that Netflix documentary. Listen, how are you lover? I'm 216 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: not good? Mom? Are you sorry for me? Are you 217 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: sorry for my siblings? I would have never thought you 218 00:14:46,680 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: would have ever done something? Mister Semon, bring me. We 219 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: did have a wonderful family before this happened. Hello, my 220 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: mom has spent her whole life protecting us kids growth. Why. Honestly, 221 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: Laurie and Charles looked like they had the ideal marriage, 222 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: but her beliefs had become a lot more extreme after 223 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: she met Chad day Belle she changed. Guys, you were 224 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: hearing a snippet of the widely anticipated Netflix documentary Since 225 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: of the Mother. I want to I want you to 226 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: hear one more, A little bit of information, more information 227 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: on this take those of our friends in our cut 228 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: one nineteen from Katie VB. Could this documentary impact jury 229 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: selection in this case? Well, ironically, jury selection was moved 230 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: from eastern Idaho to Ada County to minimize the exposure 231 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: and press and a kind of publicity that had attended 232 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: the case. Dave Leroy is the former Idaho Attorney General, 233 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: former lieutenant governor and a defense lawyer. He says, any 234 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: kind of publicity has the potential to influence a person's 235 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: judgment in terms of making a decision about a case, 236 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: should they be selected as a journey and with us 237 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: right now? David Leroy, attorney, a law in Boise for 238 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: Attorney General. David Leroy explain, Well, Aida County is in 239 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: a different local media market. Not everyone here has Netflix. 240 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: Not everyone who has will watch this show. Laurie has 241 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: been out of the news for much more than in 242 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: the news for the last year. And over here, some 243 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: three hundred eighteen miles on the interstate from where the 244 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: crime took place, no one's riven by the burial scene. 245 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: So I believe that Ada County, Idaho, can present a 246 00:16:55,680 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: fair an objective trial with a jury that's relatively uninfluenced 247 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:04,199 Speaker 1: and unknowing about the case. And the judge seems to 248 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: have pretty good command of his courtroom. So I think, 249 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: just as we did in a stunning international murderer hundred 250 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 1: years ago, eight Accounty will do just fine in conducting 251 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: a fair trial here. Isn't it true, David Leroy that 252 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: the standard the judge will put to the jury is 253 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: not do you have Netflix or have you seen the documentary? 254 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 1: But are you able to render a fair and impartial 255 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: jury even if you have seen news coverage? Absolutely, and 256 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 1: remember the process of getting to that point with any 257 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:42,199 Speaker 1: individual juror will include, first of all, a panel of 258 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: maybe two hundred people being called to seek a jury 259 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: of twelve and a couple of alternates. They will have 260 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: written confidential juror questionnaires that can include publicity related questions 261 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 1: stipulated by the parties who are okayed by the judge. 262 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: And finally, then, of course, ourvoir dear subjects every prospective 263 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 1: juror two questions by the prosecution and by the defense, 264 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: overseen by the judge as to their qualifications and whether 265 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 1: they've formed any opinion about the guilt or innocence of 266 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: these parties that could not be set aside to decide 267 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: the case solely on the evidence heard in the courtroom. 268 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: I expect that we'll find that conclusion with quite a 269 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: few of these jurors. Join me right now, Rason Orange, 270 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: high profile trial consultant joining us from Wittech dot com 271 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 1: in La Rasan. Thank you for being with us. How 272 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: will the documentary affect jury selection and what would you 273 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: be looking for if you represented Lorie Valoc cult Mom. 274 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: My goodness, I mean in these day and age of 275 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 1: social media, you know that kind of I feel like 276 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: the cat is out of the bag. Even if you're 277 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: not watching local, local and news coverage. It's these kinds 278 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:00,719 Speaker 1: of you know, scintillating news story have a way of 279 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,400 Speaker 1: traveling like wildfire on social media. And I think that, 280 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how many you know, internationally 281 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 1: covered news stories are coming out of Idaho, but I 282 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: would have to think that even someone who's not on 283 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: social media would be hearing something about this, you know, 284 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: through the grapevine. That's really good point or so on, 285 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 1: because as David Leroy pointed out, let's figure this out. 286 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 1: How many people have Netflix in Ada, how many people 287 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: that have it watch it? How many people that have 288 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: it will and watch it? Are going to watch this documentary? 289 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 1: Is a very good question. But you pointed out the 290 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: power of social media. How clips from that will spread 291 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: like wildfire? Yeah, so how would you handle it? What 292 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 1: would you do about the documentary if you're representing gult Mom. 293 00:19:54,640 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: I mean normally, like mister Leroy was saying, you would 294 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: you know, through through the jury questionnaire and Vadier. You 295 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: would do your very best to try to find people 296 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: who have not seen this documentary, have not even heard 297 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: about the case. But seeing as how it's a very 298 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: high profile case, you're going to have to maybe you're 299 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 1: going to have to maybe get into Okay, Normally you 300 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: would want to find someone who's more highly educated if 301 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: you think that you have any kinds of the facts 302 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: on your side and any kind of compelling evidence that 303 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: might equit equit your client, which in this case, the 304 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 1: more you look at it, the worse it looks. I 305 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: just feel like they're starting from almost checkmate right off 306 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: the bat well. I don't know, Rassan Orange. I've tried 307 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: a lot of jury trials. I don't know what education 308 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: has to do, whether you've got a PhD or a 309 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: high school degree and telling right from wrong and what 310 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 1: the facts are. Oh yes, if there are facts. If 311 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 1: let's say, if for some strange reason, there's there's explanations 312 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: for all of this stuff, an explanation for the dismemberment 313 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: of the body. Okay, let's just say in a universe 314 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: where these people are actually innocent, and there are these 315 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: and there are some explanations for how how this happened, 316 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: and you actually have scientific evidence on your side. Even 317 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: in that situation, it would be very challenging to cut 318 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: through the emotional u the emotionally charged situation of a 319 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 1: child murder. Okay, hold on, Joseph's guy Morgan, could you 320 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 1: just give everybody a little reality on what happened to 321 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: JJ and Tyler? You know what, Let's just go with Tyl. Yeah, 322 00:21:54,600 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: Tylie and just her alone was actually found, dismembered and 323 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 1: significantly burned. Her remains were immediately adjacent to an area 324 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: where the carcasses of dead animals had been buried previously. 325 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 1: And what really makes it even more kind of sinister 326 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,439 Speaker 1: is the area where she was burned, Nancy was an 327 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: area that appeared to have the appearance of a fire 328 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 1: pit with chairs around it, you know, like seats that 329 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: they had created an area where people would gather and 330 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 1: maybe previously roasted marshmallows and sang songs and all of 331 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,360 Speaker 1: this stuff. And this poor baby's body is buried out 332 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 1: there in a shallow grave with you know, with a 333 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: plastic bucket that was, in my opinion, was used to 334 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: catch the renderings that well, renderings are the tissues remnants 335 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: of tissues, and that's where things as they're gathering up 336 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: her remains and they're trying to get rid of as 337 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: much evidence as they possibly could. And I gotta tell 338 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: you they failed miserably in this case. And what it 339 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: demonstrates is, you know, I often say, you know, the 340 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: house of the basement and the house of depravity has 341 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: no bottom to it. And in this case, it's so 342 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 1: shocked everybody. I think just Tily alone is so horrendous. 343 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,360 Speaker 1: In this particular case, it's going to be very, very 344 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: difficult to escape what they did to her. So Rassan 345 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: Orange was right about that. Guys. Not only do you 346 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: have the bombshell claim that the murders of these two 347 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: children could have entirely been avoided, we've got this Netflix 348 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 1: documentary coming out that threatens to taint the entire jury pool. 349 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: But what are you gonna do? Tell everybody in Aida 350 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: not to watch Netflix for the next six months until 351 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: they finally get this thing on the trial schedule. Take 352 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 1: a listen to more of the documentary Who the Hell Is? 353 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: Chaddiebo We can prepare ourselves to survive through these trials. 354 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: Chad Babel believes there will be an apocalypse, the people 355 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: that are righteous survive, and that he can distinguish evil 356 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 1: spirits from good spirits. I have fought this war for millenia. 357 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: Two detectives come and knock on the door. Is Tylie 358 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 1: or JJ here? I was like Tyleie, my sister. I 359 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: call my mom and her phone's dead. Charles wrote, she 360 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: calls her own daughter a dark spirit. My throat fell 361 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 1: in my stomach. If you are very dark, your spirit 362 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,640 Speaker 1: has left your body. Your zombie now, and the only 363 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 1: way to free your spirit is to kill the body. 364 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: I had this feeling in my spirit. So what's going 365 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: on tonight? I can't get entirely. It's not a kid. 366 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: Something felt wrong. This case quickly became a national story. 367 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: You're hearing the Netflix documentary Sense of the Mother. Not 368 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,199 Speaker 1: only do we have all that swirling, but we also 369 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 1: have call it mom, Laurie Valo waltzing into the courtroom 370 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 1: like she's in Miss Junior. Miss Now wait a second, 371 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: Nate eight, Was she in a beauty contest? Wasn't she 372 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: in a beauty contest? She was, Yeah, several years ago. 373 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: She was in a few, actually, and there was one 374 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 1: that was videotaped and we've seen the footage. That's where 375 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 1: she tells the judges that she's a ticking time bomb. 376 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: Did she win? I don't believe she wanted. Wait, did 377 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: that include a swimsuit competition? Because I think that's what 378 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: I saw it did. Yeah, she was in a swimming suit. Okay, 379 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: all right, it's all starting to fit together now. So 380 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to our friend 381 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: Jim Moray at Inside Edition. It's Doomsday Mom. Laurie day 382 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 1: Bell smirking and smiling as a judge determined she is 383 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: finally mentally fit to stand trial for the murders of 384 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: her two children. Her latest court appearance comes as Netflix 385 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: releases a promo for a new documentary about the sensational case. 386 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,120 Speaker 1: In the documentary, Sins of Our Mother, day Belle's son 387 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: Colby can be seen calling his imprisoned mother, I'm not 388 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 1: good time. Stories with Nancy Grace to you, Nate Eaton 389 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 1: joining us from East Idaho News dot Com. And her 390 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: last visit in court, she walked in like a beauty queen. 391 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with that at all. Those are not beauty contests, 392 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 1: those are scholarship events. But we also hear she quote 393 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: and I'm reading from a headline, put on a smiley 394 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 1: show during court hearing while her charges on killing her 395 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: children are being discussed. Please help me. Yeah, this is 396 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: kind of unusual compared to other court hearing for Laurie Davell, 397 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: because in the past she's been very serious. She hasn't 398 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: shown much emotion at times, she's been in a mask. 399 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: This hearing, she was smiling. She actually saw me sitting 400 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: in the courtroom and turned around and smiled right at me, 401 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: which kind of caught me off guard. She looked over 402 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: at our cameras which were situated in the jury box, 403 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,360 Speaker 1: and smiled at the camera. When they discussed that this 404 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: is a death penalty case and read her charges, she 405 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,959 Speaker 1: kind of rolled her eyes. And then after the hearing, Nancy, 406 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: we went outside to the back of the courtroom where 407 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 1: they bring the defendants out and normally they pull a 408 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,479 Speaker 1: car right up to the door and put them right 409 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 1: in the car. Well, this was a little bit of 410 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: a walk from the door to the vehicle and she 411 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: came out smiling again. They put her in the car. 412 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: She turned to the cameras and were smiling again. We asked, 413 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: do you still love Chad, do you miss your children. 414 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: She didn't respond to our questions. And it was interesting 415 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: that just days after this hearing, her attorneys filed to 416 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: have cameras fan for the courtroom. A whole nother canarm 417 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: is about trying to keep cameras out of the courtroom. 418 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: But I want to talk about her appearance in court. First. 419 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: I want to go to doctor Angela Arnold. We know 420 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: that in one of her last court appearances, she spent 421 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: days ahead of time making lipstick, lip gloss out of 422 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 1: jolly ranchers. And what was the other thing they eaten? 423 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 1: A colored pencil and what is it mixed with vasalin 424 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: or what? I don't know if they just mix it 425 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 1: with saliva or what if you get a Cholly rancher 426 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 1: wet and put it on your lips, it changes colors. Okay, 427 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: that's my fault because I asked you and you had 428 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: to answer saliva. Okay, that said got that image up here? 429 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: Can't I hear that? Doctor Angela Arnold? Do you think 430 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: this woman is insane? Because when you listen to her 431 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: crazy beliefs, which I would like to point out the 432 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: Mormon Church has said, we don't know what she's talking about. 433 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: This is not part of our religion. She's actually trying 434 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: to drag Christ into the whole thing. They sound zany, 435 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: but yeah, we know that she carefully planned this. She 436 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:12,959 Speaker 1: ordered her quote beach wedding dress that was her Amazon search, 437 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: and she ordered her wedding dress and her wedding ring 438 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: and her grooms outfit for their beach wedding in Hawaii 439 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: just before Chad day Bell's wife died in her sleep 440 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: of natural causes. So either she's clairvoyant or she's a 441 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: cold blooded killer. Well, I you know, Nancy, she is 442 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,959 Speaker 1: a cold blooded killer. Okay, But I think the question 443 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,479 Speaker 1: is how did she get pulled into this delusion? Was 444 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: Chad day bella wait? Wait, wait, you're really actually blaming 445 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: somebody else for her participation in her children's murder? And 446 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: how many husbands are dead? I don't know? Three? Right? 447 00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: We've got Charles Valo, Dad, Joseph Ryan dead under unusual circumstances. 448 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: Is there another dead husband, Nate Eaton? No, But she 449 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: has two previous husbands before that, So Chad's for five? Okay, gotcha? 450 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: So only two dead husbands? I don't try to tell 451 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: my husband that when we're discussing our program today. Only 452 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: two dead husbands. Okay, back to you, doctor angel Arnold, 453 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: jump in. You know, Nancy, I've been you know, we've 454 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: been doing the story for a long time and I've 455 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: been giving it a lot of thought. And we never 456 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: talk about Chad day Belt. We really don't talk about 457 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: him very much. And I'm not talking about him right now. 458 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: I'm asking you about lip gloss for Pete's sake, and 459 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: is she insane or not? Because if you can make 460 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: homemade lip gloss and think to put it on before 461 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: you go into the courtroom and fix your hair and 462 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: I notice she's got a new hairstyle now, and paint 463 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: your toe nails and your fingernails and wave and smile 464 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: to the camera, that doesn't scream insanity to me at me. 465 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: I've got to tell you, Nancy, there is nothing more 466 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: that I would love to do than interview her myself. Again, 467 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: not what I ask you. Have you ever heard the 468 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: term unresponsive, doctor Angela Arnold, No offense, but could you 469 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: just answer about the question about me? Yeah, I am talking. 470 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: I'm talking about you, Nancy. You know what, Nancy, I 471 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: want to tell you. I know it. I know that 472 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: by her actions it doesn't look like she's crazy. Oh lord, 473 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: I hear a butt coming. But I knew it. I 474 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:27,239 Speaker 1: knew it. Okay, but what but Nancy, her behavior is 475 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: so odd and equal. I mean, you know what, Thank you, 476 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: doctor Angela Arnold. Let me go to a trial lawyer, 477 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 1: David Leroy. He's not just a trial lawyer, he's a 478 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: former Idaho Attorney General and lieutenant governor. David, take off 479 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,239 Speaker 1: your defense hat for just one moment. Okay, I know that, 480 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: you know what. Never mind, that's a crazy ask that 481 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: ain't gonna happen. What would you do with a client 482 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: that thought to put on lip gloss, fix her hair, 483 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: painter nails, create lip gloss to start with, painter nails, 484 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: wave and smile at the camera and more importantly, But 485 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: that's all superficial, David Lee Roy to lie to police 486 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 1: when they come to your door and ask you where 487 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: your children are, and the minute they turn the car, 488 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: you pack up all your stuff and you leave the 489 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: Continental US and go to Hawaii and hide and continue 490 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: telling them, oh, they're here, they're visiting here, they're visiting there, 491 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: that's why they're not at homes. Finally, go back out there. 492 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: She's cleared out, she's gone that is not insanity. Well, 493 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: remember Idaho has eliminated the insanity defense from criminal cases. 494 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: That's probably for another show. However, her unusual emotional affect 495 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: in the courtroom, the giggling, the smiling, the scowling here 496 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: currently is very concerning because you'll all, she comes off 497 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: an eleven month stint with the Idaho mental health authorities 498 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: during which she would supposedly return to comparative sanity to 499 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,479 Speaker 1: the extent of helping her own defense go forward with 500 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,959 Speaker 1: a trial. If she continues to manifest this kind of 501 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: giggling report, she's probably gonna she's probably going to get 502 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: a motion from her defense lawyers to scept this trial 503 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: date again. You know what Nate eaton. There was a 504 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: very well thought out and calculated plan for her to 505 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: order a wedding dress, a wedding ring, travel to a 506 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: beach side location for her wedding. She did in Hawaii, 507 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: lie to police over and over and over about the 508 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: children's whereabouts store all their belongings, their toys, blankets before 509 00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: she left town. It's all very well thought out. There's 510 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: no way in hubl this woman was insane. Well, a 511 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 1: lot of people have asked too, if now that we've 512 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 1: been going on nearly three years since this case first broke. 513 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 1: If she's still devoted to Chad or is Chad going 514 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 1: to turn on her? And one of the things I 515 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 1: observed at court just a few weeks ago, she came 516 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,280 Speaker 1: in and on her fourth finger, her wedding ring finger, 517 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: she had something we didn't know if it was a band, 518 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: if it was an actual metal band or a rubber band. 519 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: Our photographer was able to zoom, and she had taken 520 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 1: her hair tie and put it on her finger and 521 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,799 Speaker 1: wrapped it around tight. Is this to send I don't 522 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: want to say send a signal, but let people know 523 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: that she's married, she's still devoted to Chat. Yeah, she's 524 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: crazy like a fuck. Let me tell you that. And 525 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 1: you're bringing me to my next point. Now, a vicious 526 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 1: fight on going to keep cameras out of the courtroom. 527 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 1: Let's go straight to our cut one twenty seven. Take 528 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: a listen. Her defense attorneys have filed a motion asking 529 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 1: the cameras be banned from the courtroom. Archibald and John Thomas, 530 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 1: her attorneys, asked that cameras be banned, They said on 531 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 1: August sixteenth, unbeknownst to defense counsel Court TV and or 532 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: another media outlet, set up a remote camera a few 533 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: feet in front of the defendant's desk and put microphones 534 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 1: on the defendant's desk. The cameras zoomed in repeatedly on 535 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 1: the defendant while she was listening to the arguments of 536 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: counsel and while she was trying to converse with her counsel. 537 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: Let me remind everyone that are founding fathers who wrote 538 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 1: our Constitution had extensive discussions as they were working on 539 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: the Constitution. And in those discussions they're called legislative minutes 540 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,439 Speaker 1: now they are anyway, they stated they wished they could 541 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 1: have courtrooms big enough for the entire community to watch 542 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:56,399 Speaker 1: the trial. That unlike other countries where there are secret proceedings, 543 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 1: that in the United States there will be no such thing. 544 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 1: And that's what a camera in the courtroom is to 545 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: let everyone watch as justice unfold. And now the defense 546 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,759 Speaker 1: is complaining that there is going to be close ups 547 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: of cultmm Laurie Valo. I can't think of anything that 548 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: would make her happier. Take a listen to more of 549 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 1: Nate Eaton eside of her news and cut one twenty eight. 550 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: It is unknown if any conversations between the defendant and 551 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: her lawyers were recorded. The zoom in on the defendant's 552 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 1: face was so close that the obvious intent of the 553 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: filming was not to listen to the arguments of counsel, 554 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,280 Speaker 1: but to gauge every facial expression of the defendant or 555 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 1: her lawyers. A zoom in on the defendant's ring finger 556 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 1: was even highlighted in the media. If notes would have 557 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 1: been written between defendant and her lawyers, the zoom in 558 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 1: feature of the camera could have recorded the notes, a 559 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 1: clear violation of attorney client privilege. To Rason, Ura is 560 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:55,359 Speaker 1: joining us trial consultant from Whittech dot com. He's joining 561 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,279 Speaker 1: us from LA today. Rason again, thank you for being 562 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 1: with us. How does a camera in the courtroom affect 563 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,319 Speaker 1: how you would prepare a witness or a defendant? Well, 564 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,279 Speaker 1: I would I would think that, I mean, this is 565 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:13,360 Speaker 1: a very highly charged and nerve wracking experience. And I mean, granted, 566 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 1: she's I don't believe that they're going to put her 567 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 1: on the stand, so that's kind of a moot point. 568 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 1: But I would think that it that it would have 569 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:28,840 Speaker 1: a chance that potentially uh points not poisoning, but affecting 570 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: the jurors, because the more people who are seeing this 571 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: the odd behavior and and and being aware of what 572 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 1: this case is on TV, the more chance you have 573 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,359 Speaker 1: of some juror going home talking to their wife, their 574 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: cousin there, you know there, their brother, and you know 575 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be a I would say in this case. 576 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,319 Speaker 1: I could see how they would want to to how 577 00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 1: the defense would want to limit that because you know, 578 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 1: want all of us to see what's happening in court 579 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:07,279 Speaker 1: and the Lorie Valo cult Monkeys says, these defendings look 580 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 1: very bad. So while you've probably got the money in 581 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,840 Speaker 1: your hip pocket to fly out there and watch the trial, 582 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 1: you don't want the rest of the world to see it. 583 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 1: If I'm if, I'm if I'm the defense because they 584 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 1: I don't believe they have a good case. I think 585 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,279 Speaker 1: that the more people know about this, the more they 586 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 1: see the morn they stay here. Joe Scott Morgan tell 587 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 1: what happened to Tyleie's body. Yeah, I think you're right 588 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,279 Speaker 1: about that. Raissan Orange, Absolutely, guys, there are a lot 589 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 1: of people that want this trial to go forward. Take 590 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: a listend to k Woodcock. This is Tylie and JJ's 591 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 1: family speaking to Katie VB and I cut one twenty five, 592 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,279 Speaker 1: and then we go back to the corner and we 593 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 1: catch our breath, and then we go back out again, 594 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,239 Speaker 1: and we just keep doing it, and we keep doing it, 595 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 1: and we'll keep doing it until we don't have to 596 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:09,360 Speaker 1: do it anymore. But until that moment comes, kay and 597 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:14,759 Speaker 1: Larry just want closure. We're tired. We simply want to 598 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,239 Speaker 1: bury the kids the way they should have had a 599 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,319 Speaker 1: proper burial a long time ago. If it was a 600 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 1: boxing match, you train, and you put together a plan 601 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 1: and the bail rings, and you get hit smack in 602 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 1: the nose the first time, and all the plans go out. 603 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 1: When you're sitting in that seat, you're hearing Kaye and 604 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:46,760 Speaker 1: Larry Wilcock, they just want to bury the children. Nate Eton, 605 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 1: what's the very latest, Well, Matthew, the judge has ruled 606 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,520 Speaker 1: in this case and he has decided to ban all cameras, 607 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,759 Speaker 1: including still cameras and video cameras, So for now there 608 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,720 Speaker 1: will be no televised proceedings leading up to the trial 609 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,399 Speaker 1: or during the trial. Not only that, but just within 610 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,440 Speaker 1: the past few hours, John Prior, Chad day Bell's attorney, 611 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,920 Speaker 1: has filed a motion to postpone the trial. It was 612 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,840 Speaker 1: supposed to begin in January. He is asking that it 613 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:20,399 Speaker 1: begin no earlier than October of twenty twenty three. He 614 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,479 Speaker 1: says this is a capital death penalty case. He needs 615 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,880 Speaker 1: to put as much effort and time into preparing a defense, 616 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,440 Speaker 1: and he's worried that it could be rushed by holding 617 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,840 Speaker 1: it in January. He's also asking once again that the 618 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,400 Speaker 1: trials be separated, that they be severed, that Laurie have 619 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:40,080 Speaker 1: her own, that Chad has his own. He's done this before. 620 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,800 Speaker 1: Judge Boyce has denied it before, but he's trying it again. 621 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: He's saying that Chad's constitutional rights will be violated if 622 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,360 Speaker 1: these trials are not held separate, and again he's asking 623 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,719 Speaker 1: for a major delay, that no proceedings would begin at 624 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,440 Speaker 1: least for another year. Now. Hearing on these motions to 625 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,200 Speaker 1: sever the trials and to nue the trial will be 626 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,640 Speaker 1: held on October thirteenth. We of course will be there 627 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,920 Speaker 1: and we'll let you know how the judge rules. That 628 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,400 Speaker 1: trial is coming. And I advise you, cult mom, Laurie Valen, 629 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,359 Speaker 1: get back in your jail sale and make some more 630 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,400 Speaker 1: lip gloss, because it's happening, Goodbye friend,