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Speaker 1: Hello there, Happy Thursday. This is Chuck Todd and welcome

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Speaker 1: to another episode of the Chuck Podcast. As I promised you,

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Speaker 1: we're doing our fourth drop of the week. This one

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Speaker 1: is not a documentary interview. This one is actually an

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Speaker 1: interview with Barbara Comstock. She's a former Republican member of

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Speaker 1: Congress from Northern Virginia, the neighboring.

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Speaker 2: District where I live.

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Speaker 1: In case you're wondering, she has been a pretty vocal

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Speaker 1: you know, she came to Congress in the teens, somebody

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Speaker 1: that I think would be have considered what I would

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Speaker 1: have called a conventional conservative. And I don't mean that

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Speaker 1: as any sort of positive or negative in that she

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Speaker 1: was sort of a mainstream conservative Republican, the type of

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Speaker 1: conservative Republicans that you know, were moderate on certain issues

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Speaker 1: that mattered to suburban America. But she figured out how

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Speaker 1: to get elected. And let's just say she's never she's

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Speaker 1: never been comfortable in the Trump in the Republican Party.

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Speaker 1: She's pretty outspoken anti Trumper. What's interesting is she's working

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Speaker 1: with an organization that is not there's sort of two

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Speaker 1: types of sort of ex Republicans or Republicans in exile.

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Speaker 1: There are the Republicans, most of them at Bulwark, who

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Speaker 1: believe the party is irredeemable. And so these are sort

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Speaker 1: of conservatives who are lost, who are hoping the Democratic

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Speaker 1: Party will move to the center. But I definitely feel

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Speaker 1: as if they're in no man's land. I think Barbara

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Speaker 1: Compsack is, you know. I think she's vacillating between the

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Speaker 1: party is irredeemable and the party might be reformed from

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Speaker 1: the inside, but she's working with a group of Republicans

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Speaker 1: who are not ready to give up on the party.

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Speaker 1: I think there are some Republicans who say, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party has always had.

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Speaker 2: Two wings to it.

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Speaker 1: Right. One is a sort of Chamber of commerce internationalist wing,

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Speaker 1: the pro free trade side of things, the small government,

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Speaker 1: prophy trade. You know, think Paul Ryan, George W. Bush,

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Speaker 1: met Romney. That was the ascendant party frankly since Eisenhower.

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Speaker 1: But there's always been a nationalist wing and isolationist wing

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Speaker 1: during much of the run up to World War Two,

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Speaker 1: and that's basically where Donald Trump's wing of the party

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Speaker 1: most closely resembles. And if you look at the party

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Speaker 1: through that prism. Then this is a means that you

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Speaker 1: believe your wing of the party is simply an exile

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Speaker 1: and that your day will come again, sort of how

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Speaker 1: progressives felt during the Bill Clinton era, or maybe how

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Speaker 1: centrist Democrats felt during during parts of the Joe Biden era,

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Speaker 1: which I think a lot of centrist Democrats didn't think

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Speaker 1: that was going to be the case. But Biden governed

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Speaker 1: much more further to the left than anybody expected, and

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Speaker 1: certainly not like uh not like he you know, much

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Speaker 1: further the left than Barack Obama. And so you'll hear

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Speaker 1: the conversation, and I think she's vacillating between the two.

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Speaker 1: But she's you know, there's there's she's working with Republicans

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Speaker 1: like and they're all formers, including a former Missouri Senator

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Speaker 1: Jack dan Forth among others who you know, this is

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Speaker 1: the wing of the party that also thinks characters should

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Speaker 1: still matter, uh, and that character is destiny. And I

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Speaker 1: think that's pretty clear Donald Trump uh and many in

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Speaker 1: mega think characters overrated. Uh And that politics ain't beanbag

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Speaker 1: and that this is a zero sum game and and

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Speaker 1: that the ends justifies the means. So it's uh, I

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Speaker 1: it's a I think it's a great conversation. I think

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Speaker 1: if you're trying to figure out the future of the

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Speaker 1: two parties, uh, and as you know, I'm obsessed with

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Speaker 1: where what's happening here. I think both parties are are

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Speaker 1: our zombie parties at this point. And if we didn't

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Speaker 1: have a duopoly over ballid access, I think both parties

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Speaker 1: will have already been replaced by now by a new

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Speaker 1: left of center party and a new right of center party.

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Speaker 1: But instead of a new Republican Party, Donald Trump basically

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Speaker 1: just eviscerated the sort of Bush Romney wing and anybody

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Speaker 1: leadership and the folks that run the party now are

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Speaker 1: all people that other than a person here or there

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Speaker 1: that had no role whatsoever in the Republican Party before

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump descended down that escalator. But before I get

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Speaker 1: event that I think is gonna it's one of those

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Speaker 1: that it's this military birthday parade that Donald Trump is orchestrated.

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Speaker 1: He's hiding behind the Army's two hundred and fiftieth birthday,

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Speaker 1: which happens to coincide with his seventy ninth birthday, and

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Speaker 1: so he is essentially greenlit or encouraged the army to

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Speaker 1: can bask in the glory of the army. There's a

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Speaker 1: bit of irony there. If you've followed Donald Trump's career.

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Speaker 1: This is a man who went out of his way

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Speaker 1: Vietnam War. He wasn't alone. But this idea that he

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Speaker 1: presents himself as this tough guy that wouldn't be afraid

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Speaker 2: Of the war.

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Speaker 1: And I will tell you I've always been a bit

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Speaker 1: skeptical of his story because he can never tell you

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Speaker 1: a truthful reason for his deferment, which foot it is,

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Speaker 1: or whatever it was that he did. And I think

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Speaker 1: I've shared with you before. After my father died, I

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Speaker 1: found an entire file folder with everything that was related

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Speaker 1: to his deferments that he got at first and then

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Speaker 1: on that he wasn't alone. But the dishonesty about about

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Speaker 1: whether you were trying to get out or not has

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Speaker 1: always been to me a litmus test, right, It's a

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Speaker 1: character test. And you know, I don't any politician that

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Speaker 1: they're full of SS, right, I just I don't believe them.

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Speaker 1: I think if you were that concerned, you knew every

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Speaker 1: little detail, like my father knew every little detail of

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Speaker 1: what were the particulars there. And yet here he is

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Speaker 1: hiding behind a military that he refused to serve in,

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Speaker 1: hiding behind and somehow he equates military school with somehow

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Speaker 1: with military service. And while I think military schools have

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Speaker 1: plenty of young men and women over the years, mostly men,

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Speaker 1: military schools have been mostly on that young boys. I

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Speaker 1: don't think anybody would mistake in it for West Point.

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Speaker 1: But what's really I think long term damaging about this event?

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Speaker 1: And look, I want to get to the potential short

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Speaker 1: term problems with this event in a minute. But the

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Speaker 1: long term damage is the politicizing of the military. You know,

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Speaker 1: one of the hallmarks of the American military is how

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Speaker 1: we've done a pretty good job trying to keep There's

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Speaker 1: plenty of politics, Don't get me wrong. That takes place

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Speaker 1: to become a you know, I've always said one star

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Speaker 1: we've done a pretty good job over decades, no matter

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Speaker 1: to keep it that way because it is the most

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Speaker 1: egalitarian institution we have left in America. Where you have

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Speaker 1: the same access and things like that. It is, you know,

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Speaker 1: it was more egalitarian than American society as a whole.

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Speaker 1: So here's this institution that we've done such a good

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump continues to try to politicize the military. I

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Speaker 1: mean this goes just go back to his commencement address

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Speaker 1: to West Point, where he I think defaced the military

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Speaker 1: by wearing a MAGA hat. You're the commander in chief,

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Speaker 1: behave like the commander in chief, not like a political hack.

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Speaker 1: And in that moment he was a political hack. He

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Speaker 1: And by the way, this whole you know, we're we're

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Speaker 1: we're going down this road right where where the right

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Speaker 1: and they went too far and renaming these bases away

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Speaker 1: from Confederate generals, which I've never understood this obsession with

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Speaker 1: celebrating a losing army, Right, why would anybody want to

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Speaker 1: the Trump administration do? They didn't change the names back

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Speaker 1: the the the Pentagon can claim that these bases are

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Speaker 1: supposed to what they really are hoping to denote. But

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Speaker 1: But the fact that the commander in chief put his

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Speaker 1: And so then he gets folks that happen to be

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Speaker 1: in general. And why any politician would want to erode

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Speaker 1: that away is beyond me. But you know, Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: best interest of the country and only in the best

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Speaker 1: interest of his ego, and this is one of them

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Speaker 1: all for his seventy ninth birthday birthday party.

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Speaker 2: Let's go through a few facts here.

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Speaker 1: By the way, the Army the price tag for this,

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Speaker 1: for this military parade, it's approximately twenty five to forty

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Speaker 1: five million dollars. It's probably going to be more, but

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Speaker 1: let's take the forty five million dollar figure. That forty

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Speaker 1: five million dollars also includes already includes budgeted sixteen million

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Speaker 1: dollars to repair the streets of Washington d c after

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Speaker 1: these tanks roll through. Now, remember first of all, why

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Speaker 1: the army is showcasing tanks. You know, I just heard

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Speaker 1: an alarming stat that the average life span of a

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Speaker 1: something like three and.

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Speaker 2: A half days.

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Speaker 1: It is a complete waste of money to use tanks.

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Speaker 1: Tank warfare is sort of is something that is pretty

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Speaker 1: much obsolete. But because there's so many military contractors that

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Speaker 1: So our Republican legacy. I mean, look, I've been having

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Speaker 1: I hear you, Except there's amazing how many local elections.

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Speaker 3: who were not supporting the rule of you know, they

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Speaker 3: just fall in line and support things that I know. Well,

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Speaker 3: I mean they literally say to me, you know, I

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Speaker 3: agree with you. I know that's not true, but I

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Speaker 3: have to say the election was rigged. I basically have

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Speaker 3: to lie to my voters because if I don't, I

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Speaker 3: won't get the nomination. And I think when you treat

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Speaker 3: voters like idiots and when you lie to them all

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Speaker 3: the time, then it's your fault, not their fault. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's become you know, you know when people say, oh, well,

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Speaker 3: you don't understand they all believe this, And they say, well,

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Speaker 3: they all believe it because it's not just Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: lying to them, it's everybody else lying to them. And

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Speaker 3: you know, usually you know, I mean when you know,

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Speaker 3: in Virginia, when you have candidates who win or lose

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Speaker 3: elections in Virginia, you know, they concede elections. The Republicans

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Speaker 3: who lost for Senate or Congress in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 3: they lost the conceded elections. They didn't go out and

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Speaker 3: say it's rigged. It's rigged. Our party people came together

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Speaker 3: and said the elections were fair. But then when Trump's

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Speaker 3: on the battle, you know, everything's rigged if he doesn't win.

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Speaker 3: So it is silly and it's difficult. I mean a

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Speaker 3: lot of times I just tell people, hey, maybe you

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Speaker 3: want to sit it out until he's gone. But I

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Speaker 3: do think it's important that for people who want to

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Speaker 3: be active, maybe you get active on that lowest level

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Speaker 3: and build a record of working to fix things, you know,

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Speaker 3: with your schools or with your you know, at a

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Speaker 3: delegate or state rep level, because those levels things are

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Speaker 3: a little less partisan and you can you have to

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Speaker 3: work harder, but you might be able to break through.

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Speaker 1: You know. It's interesting what I've here. Here's something that

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Speaker 1: isn't clear to me in in how our Republican legacy

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Speaker 1: is late things to that, which is is this mostly

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Speaker 1: an issue of character or is this mostly an issue

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Speaker 1: of ideology? Do you see where I'm going here? Because

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Speaker 1: you make an ideological case and it's like, I don't

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Speaker 1: know what the you know, I think the bigger issues character.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not a I'm not a member of the

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Speaker 1: of the Republican Party. Where are you in there?

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Speaker 3: Oh? I definitely think it's a character. Look, I mean

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Speaker 3: we are here, you know, on June six, on D Day.

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Speaker 3: And you look at Donald Trump yesterday when he's saying.

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Speaker 1: Who thought somehow the Germany Chancellor would be upsettl let's

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Speaker 1: not bring up D Day?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like not day for you. It's like, yeah, I know,

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Speaker 3: you don't.

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Speaker 1: Well, I have to tell you though, that is a

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Speaker 1: reminder of how Trump thinks. This is the problem with

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Speaker 1: Trump's style of thinking everything is a winner or loss period. Well,

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Speaker 1: and it's like he.

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Speaker 3: Puts any understanding of history and just that too. And

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Speaker 3: you know, I think I think it was sitting in

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Speaker 3: you know, Palace of Versailles one time and just saying, hey,

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Speaker 3: this is the cool place. Did anything happen here? So,

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Speaker 3: you know, just as ignorance is always monumental and embarrassment

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Speaker 3: on the world stage.

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Speaker 1: But the reason I ask about character versus ideology is

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Speaker 1: because you know, I'm watching John Cornyn down in Texas

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Speaker 1: and he said, you know, this is going to be

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Speaker 1: a test of whether character still matters, and I was

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Speaker 1: just like, oh, right, job, no, I mean no, right,

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Speaker 1: I don't. He's going to run a character race and

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Speaker 1: he's going to lose that primary.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he will. And I think this is

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Speaker 3: when you could the people who have capitulated to Trump

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Speaker 3: all find out it doesn't you know, you've capitulated your character,

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Speaker 3: and so you've already given that up, and so you

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Speaker 3: look time after time, what do you get for it?

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Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. And so that's the problem. They have

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Speaker 3: given up on that. So you know it's going to

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Speaker 3: take people standing up to him, and you know they haven't.

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Speaker 3: They they've signed up and they've given it over to him.

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Speaker 3: But the good news is he's never won a majority

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Speaker 3: of the people. It's bill, even in the Swing States,

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Speaker 3: was narrow. As Elon Musk pointed out, you couldn't have

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Speaker 3: won without my money. Because Trump doesn't like to use

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Speaker 3: his money, and all this money that he's amassing, I

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Speaker 3: don't think you're going to see him doling it out

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Speaker 3: next year. I think he is really going to keep

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Speaker 3: that for himself and for whatever future things he wants

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Speaker 3: to do, because when he was amassing it over the

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Speaker 3: past four years, he didn't use it in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 3: so I think his you know, he ran for office

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Speaker 3: so he wouldn't end up in jail, and so that

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Speaker 3: he could amass a lot of money. The meme coins,

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Speaker 3: all these deal I mean, look, he's doing this. You know, Hey,

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Speaker 3: everybody else has to bring their business back here. But

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Speaker 3: I'm building hotels all over the world, so he can

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Speaker 3: do business overseas, but you can't. So I think there

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Speaker 3: has to be, you know, somebody, people of character who

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Speaker 3: stand up and say there is a different way. I'm

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Speaker 3: going to show you a different way. They can do

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Speaker 3: it in a state they can, you know.

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Speaker 1: Look, but I guess the question is do you do

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Speaker 1: it inside the party or outside the party? For instance? Well,

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Speaker 1: I think Lisa Markowski. I think Lisa Murkowski has to

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Speaker 1: me shown the way to do it, which is I think.

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Speaker 3: Right, you're doing it here with this group. I think

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Speaker 3: people can try different things. I mean, I would vote

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Speaker 3: for if I had somebody who's an independent in my

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Speaker 3: state who did it. Listen, I'm going to vote for

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Speaker 3: Abigail Spamberger this year in Virginia. So I'm not we

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Speaker 3: don't have a Republican who's doing something where they're standing

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Speaker 3: up and showing care.

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Speaker 1: Is there anything she could do the lieutenant governor win

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Speaker 1: some seers to say to you that would convince you. No,

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Speaker 1: she's not going to go down the Trump road.

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Speaker 3: No, because she's already. First she said she wasn't going

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Speaker 3: to and then she has gotten all in line.

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Speaker 1: You know she is, you know, she wants a nomination.

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Speaker 1: She didn't want to have. She didn't want to lose

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Speaker 1: the nomination.

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Speaker 3: Yeah no, And it all came down to they all

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Speaker 3: could pitch late to Trump and they're not their own person.

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Speaker 3: And when you're not authentic, and when you just become

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Speaker 3: a mag of mouthpiece because that's what you think your

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Speaker 3: base is the only way you can do this, then

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Speaker 3: you aren't of much use to the body politic at large.

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Speaker 3: And you're seeing they don't get anything done because of that,

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Speaker 3: and you're not effective. And looking in Virginia, we are getting,

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Speaker 3: you know, we got the Trump musk, you know, chainsaw

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Speaker 3: massacre to our you know, not just to our federal employees,

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Speaker 3: to our contractors. And now you saw in the Washington

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Speaker 3: Post today they have this whole story of oh, whoops,

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Speaker 3: we fired too many employees. We need you to come back,

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Speaker 3: and they're like, you know, we aren't able to do

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Speaker 3: a lot of these things that government actually needs to do,

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Speaker 3: like the weather and hurricanes are coming and you know,

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Speaker 3: nih and disease and all these things, and they're like,

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Speaker 3: why would I want to go back? You treat everyone

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Speaker 3: horribly and it's it's going to be a problem. So no,

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Speaker 3: but I but I do think it's a question of character.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's why we just need a few examples,

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Speaker 3: you know, we just need to find a few examples

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Speaker 3: of character. And that's what we're trying to do.

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Speaker 1: And so do you think that do you think? I mean,

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Speaker 1: let me, let me now ask the question from another perspective,

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Speaker 1: that is, is Trump's sort of quasi And I hesitate

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Speaker 1: to say he's got an ideology, right, we kind of

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Speaker 1: know he does. It doesn't, but there is an ideology

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Speaker 1: that has developed sort of around him, right, it's isolationism,

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Speaker 1: it's a little bit of you know, there's pieces of it, right,

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Speaker 1: So there's there's certainly echoes of the nineteen twenties and

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Speaker 1: thirties Republican Party, right when it comes to immigration, when

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Speaker 1: it comes to trade, and a few of these things.

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Speaker 1: And I guess the question I have is do you

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Speaker 1: think the rejection of sort of your wing of the

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Speaker 1: party by these voters was dis fite character? Like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we think Mett Romney's a man of high character, but

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Speaker 1: we just don't agree with these policies, and we'd rather

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Speaker 1: have a rogue, a rogue sort of sort of smash

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Speaker 1: things up and let's and let's start over. And I

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Speaker 1: say this because I watch the Democratic part they're trying

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Speaker 1: to figure this out right there, and the reactionaries of

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Speaker 1: a reactionary right. The Republican Party is a reactionary party

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Speaker 1: right now. It's simply more about what they've they're organizing.

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Speaker 1: The Trump organizing principle is in rejection of rather than

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Speaker 1: in sort of putting out there it is, would you

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Speaker 1: be in favor of recruiting people of high character that

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Speaker 1: shared his isolationist views?

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Speaker 3: Well, no, no, I mean obviously nobody wants to get

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Speaker 3: into unnecessary wars. I mean, as Ronald Reagan said, you know,

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Speaker 3: the more we have a stronger military and do more

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Speaker 3: of these things, the more peaceful we are going to be.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we need in the world we have today,

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Speaker 3: we need to have these strong alliances and having and

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Speaker 3: trade as part of those strong alliances. You know, as

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Speaker 3: we I'm also president of the former members of Congress,

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Speaker 3: and as we go around the world, and you know,

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Speaker 3: when you have these strong trade alliances, you know with

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Speaker 3: our allies that makes them more prosperous, makes us more prosperous.

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Speaker 3: It makes for a more peaceful world. As we're exiting

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Speaker 3: these countries and not having trade, we are letting bad actors,

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Speaker 3: whether it's China or Russia, enter that space and make

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Speaker 3: things more volatile and more dangerous. So that's the danger

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Speaker 3: that Trump is creating because he doesn't have a real,

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Speaker 3: you know, a bigger geopolitical understanding of the world and

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Speaker 3: doesn't understand, you know, World War One or World War two,

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Speaker 3: what people fought for and how people fought for that peace.

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Speaker 3: But I think we also need as Republicans, and this

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Speaker 3: is where I think state government is very effective, find

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Speaker 3: a way to make things work. That whole abundance agenda

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Speaker 3: that has become you know, people are talking about how

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Speaker 3: can we cut government down to the size where it

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Speaker 3: works as more effective. People want to see government working

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Speaker 3: at the state and local level.

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Speaker 1: Well, see, this to me is the real divide, right,

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Speaker 1: which is and I do think that's a real divide,

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Speaker 1: which is do you want government to work or not?

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Speaker 1: And there are people in this version of the Republican

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Speaker 1: Party is like no, no, no, no, I don't care if

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Speaker 1: it doesn't work. In fact, the more it doesn't work,

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Speaker 1: the easier it will be for us to be able

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Speaker 1: to convince the public to get rid of it.

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Speaker 3: Well, and that's where I mean they've But when they

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Speaker 3: came in and this whole chainsaw massacre they did, the

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Speaker 3: first thing they did was fire the inspectors general, who

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Speaker 3: are the people who knew where to cut things smartly.

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Speaker 3: And so because they had no understanding of government, they

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Speaker 3: didn't go in and say, sure, these guys were waiting

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Speaker 3: that we have our list, we know where the waste is.

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Speaker 3: We'll help you. We'll cut things, make things work better,

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Speaker 3: send some of the things back to the states. Those

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Speaker 3: things are always more difficult. You know, you have to

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Speaker 3: understand government to be able to go in and cut

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Speaker 3: it and then find things that you don't want to

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Speaker 3: do instead of just this you know, heritage version of

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Speaker 3: just starve everything and throw it down. I mean you're

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Speaker 3: seeing this now with the weathermen saying, well, if you

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Speaker 3: don't have all those satellite balloons up, I can't tell

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Speaker 3: you the weather. Oh we didn't think about that. Then

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Speaker 3: they run back out and say come back, we want

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Speaker 3: you to work. You know, they just don't even like

647
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Speaker 3: you sit down and you understand what do we need

648
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Speaker 3: to get the basics done? So that's where I think

649
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 3: Republicans can do some smart work on the state level,

650
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Speaker 3: on the federal level. And the problem is what Trump

651
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Speaker 3: has made the bottom line of doing work for is

652
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Speaker 3: are you loyal to me? So he put a tw

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Speaker 3: twenty two year old kid in charge of counter terrorism

654
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Speaker 3: at Homeland who knows nothing about counter terrorism. That is frightening.

655
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Speaker 3: They are emptying out counter terrorism at the FBI. Listen,

656
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Speaker 3: Christy Nome was on the Ways and Means Committee and

657
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Speaker 3: knows nothing about Homeland. So it's very frightening to me

658
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Speaker 3: that she's doing her little coastplay. And even you know,

659
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Speaker 3: Megan Kelly's.

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Speaker 1: You served with her, and I know others that have

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Speaker 1: served with her and are just shocked at her turn.

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Speaker 3: And you know what every member says whenever they talk

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Speaker 3: to each other, what has happened to Christy? No? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I've heard that we were much better friends with her

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Speaker 3: than I say, what has happened to her?

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Speaker 1: I mean, she was part of the South Dakota Republican

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Speaker 1: legacy of your Mike rounds. You're John Thune and sort

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Speaker 1: of one and that same You know, these are I mean,

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Speaker 1: you think about it, Thune and Rounds are frankly and

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Speaker 1: my guess is who you would be holding up as

671
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Speaker 1: sort of this is who the party should be. You know,

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Speaker 1: any of her.

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Speaker 3: Colleagues still in office roll their eyes at her because

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Speaker 3: they well, listen, the White House makes fun of you know,

675
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Speaker 3: report it. I mean that's been reported. They do roll

676
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Speaker 3: their eyes and do not understand why she's running around

677
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Speaker 3: with Corey Lewandowski doing.

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Speaker 1: Oh we know why she's got some vision of running

679
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Speaker 1: for president from Homeland Security. Good luck with that, yeah,

680
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Speaker 1: which is ridiculous.

681
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Speaker 3: So, but we need smart people in there, we need

682
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Speaker 3: qualified and this is the most incompetent administration because merit

683
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Speaker 3: has nothing to do with why people are in there.

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Speaker 3: So Republicans should be talking about merit, should be talking

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Speaker 3: about qualified people, and then should be talking about right

686
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Speaker 3: size and government giving things. I mean, when I was

687
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Speaker 3: a state legislator, we went in there and Bob McDonald

688
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Speaker 3: was my first governor, and he was great on cutting

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Speaker 3: things down to size. And what he did was say

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Speaker 3: he didn't come in with an axe. He just he

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Speaker 3: went to the agencies and said, I'm going to give

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Speaker 3: you incentives to cut your departments down. He didn't terrorize

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Speaker 3: the departments. He said, as people leave, we're not going

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Speaker 3: to replace people, so we're going to do attrition, but

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Speaker 3: we also want to give you incentives people in there

696
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Speaker 3: for finding where we can cut and then giving you

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Speaker 3: bonuses for finding those cuts and how we can make

698
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Speaker 3: this all work and do more with less. So we

699
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Speaker 3: weren't terrorizing the people who were already there and giving

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Speaker 3: bonuses for people for finding for making things work.

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Speaker 1: You know, you're making a case. You're making a case

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Speaker 1: for something that I thought that you could that that

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Speaker 1: I'm waiting for some smart Republican to do with with Trump,

704
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Speaker 1: which is say, hey, Trump, Scott's Trump has good ideas,

705
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Speaker 1: He's a moron and trying to actually look doge in theory.

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Speaker 1: If you is a good you can be a good

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Speaker 1: idea to executed it with a time.

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Speaker 3: What they had no theory, They had no plan.

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Speaker 1: But they but there was a way to if you

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Speaker 1: really wanted to do this, there was a way you

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Speaker 1: could have worked with Congress. Congress would have given real authority.

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Speaker 1: Democrats would have There are plenty of Democrats who would

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Speaker 1: have been gotten involved in this, especially right after that election,

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Speaker 1: because there was a whole bunch of Democrats wanting to

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Speaker 1: show that they, hey, we're not you know, just tagged

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Speaker 1: in with the big government wing of the party, right,

717
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Speaker 1: and they chose so there is an incompetency to him

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Speaker 1: just on execution. Like you can say, well, they're not

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Speaker 1: good at it, right, they don't. They're just not good

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Speaker 1: at this.

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Speaker 3: They have such contempt for the government that they don't

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Speaker 3: come in and do it. And now you're going to

723
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Speaker 3: have this backlash where you don't want to to, you know,

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Speaker 3: as a Republican who wants to right size things, you

725
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Speaker 3: don't want to have the backlash to say, oh.

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Speaker 1: We can't touch it again, right.

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Speaker 3: And they're doing the same thing with cutting Medicaid and

728
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Speaker 3: pretending that you can cut it and it won't hurt anybody,

729
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Speaker 3: and saying if we oh, we're just going to make people.

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Speaker 3: If you go back to work, you're going to have

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Speaker 3: health care. Well, no, you're not going to necessarily have

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Speaker 3: health care if you go back to work, because not

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Speaker 3: all employers provide health care. So if you go back

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Speaker 3: to work and your employer doesn't provide health care, what

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Speaker 3: are we going to do if we want to give

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Speaker 3: work incentives and now your employer doesn't provide it, what

737
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Speaker 3: are we going to do as the government, because we

738
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Speaker 3: want you to work. Yay, now you're employed. But what

739
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Speaker 3: you know, we have Obamacare, which Republicans didn't get rid of.

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Speaker 3: So since we didn't get rid of it, and lots

741
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Speaker 3: of Republican states expanded Medicaid, we now have to come

742
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Speaker 3: up with something smart that gives those people health care

743
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Speaker 3: and not lie and pretend that they're going to have

744
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Speaker 3: health care when something like forty percent.

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Speaker 1: Of well and by the way, business.

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Speaker 3: Or other businesses don't provide health care.

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Speaker 1: The system, whether this and this was an intentional outcome,

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Speaker 1: the system was designed with the idea that hey, more

749
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Speaker 1: businesses aren't going to be providing healthcare, and since they're not,

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Speaker 1: you've got to provide more options for people to get

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Speaker 1: healthcare on their own. And this is the system.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, last night I saw you know, Scott

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Speaker 3: Jennings who likes to you know, with his new little

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Speaker 3: stick is to do the sneering and performed attack everybody

755
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Speaker 3: because this is his you know, he's now maga and

756
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Speaker 3: pretending to be maga and saying, oh, you want to

757
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Speaker 3: give healthcare to illegals? Well, guess what, that's the law.

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Speaker 3: That's a Supreme Court decision. If a you know, somebody

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Speaker 3: walks into your emergency room and is dying, the doctor

760
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Speaker 3: doesn't get to say.

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Speaker 1: Oh, who's show me your papers? Shotgun person, show me

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Speaker 1: your papers before I decide.

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Speaker 3: They have to operate on you. You know, this has

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Speaker 3: been you know, going.

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Speaker 1: On for Barbara Forget whether it's the law or not.

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Speaker 1: It's called.

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Speaker 3: And if you're a Christian, Jesus said, yeah, you take

768
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Speaker 3: care of the Samaritan too, not just your neighbor, you know,

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Speaker 3: So all these Christians who now want to kick the

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Speaker 3: Samaritan to the curb, you know, Republican Jesus apparently, you know,

771
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Speaker 3: is going to cut out the Samaritans. So you know,

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of you know, revisionist history with maga

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Speaker 3: Jesus here and maga Republicans that does not at all

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Speaker 3: go along with what they've been doing just five ten

775
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Speaker 3: years ago and what the states have been doing because

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Speaker 3: so many of these states Indiana Mike Pence signed you know,

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Speaker 3: medicaid into law, most of the states have. So you

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Speaker 3: have to as Congress not lie to them and say, oh,

779
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Speaker 3: you're going to get it when you get kicked off.

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Speaker 3: And if you know or your kids aren't going to

781
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Speaker 3: they're all going to end up in your hospitals. And

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Speaker 3: when you cut all this off in the high hospitals closed, well,

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Speaker 3: the hospitals in the rural hospitals, when they close, it's

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Speaker 3: not just going to close for the people on Medicaid.

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Speaker 3: They're going to close for your farmers and all your people,

786
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Speaker 3: whether they're wealthy or poor, they're going to close. So

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Speaker 3: what do you do when those hospitals close, because they're

788
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Speaker 3: depending on that Medicaid money too. Nobody understands that. And

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Speaker 3: you know, some of the biggest Medicaid populations are in

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Speaker 3: the districts of the speaker, Steve Scalie, because Louisiana.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know who gets this. Josh Holly gets this.

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Speaker 1: He knows who his good stituents are. He knows who

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Speaker 1: the new Republican base is in Missouri, and a lot

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Speaker 1: of people and Medicaid isn't you know. You and I

795
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Speaker 1: grew up at a time when Medicaid was considered a

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Speaker 1: piece of welfare and then had that sort of but

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Speaker 1: that is not the brand of Medicaid in the twenty

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Speaker 1: first I mean, we correct Medicaid is now catastrophic health

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Speaker 1: care if you don't get insurance, either through your work

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Speaker 1: or some other way. But it is America's catastrophic health

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Speaker 1: care policy. And guess what. It keeps a lot of

802
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Speaker 1: people out of poverty. It really does.

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Speaker 3: And it's nursing homes.

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Speaker 1: And so there be no nursing homes without Medicaid? Were

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Speaker 1: there no?

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Speaker 3: And people don't you know? And if you I wish

807
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 3: the press would do this, go through all those Republicans

808
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Speaker 3: and ask them, how many have Grandma in a nursing home?

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Speaker 3: And how many of you were paying full freight? And

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Speaker 3: how many have Nana.

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Speaker 1: My grandmother, God bless her. She's ninety eight. She ran

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Speaker 1: out of money. And it's Medicaid. And if it weren't Medicaid,

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Speaker 1: there'd be, you know, there'd be a lot of people

814
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Speaker 1: in my family struggling to figure out. Not everybody could

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Speaker 1: figure out how it was going to happen, or who

816
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Speaker 1: does she live with? Or can you get the home

817
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Speaker 1: health care this way? Can you do this? I mean

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Speaker 1: the amount of money? And we can talk about how

819
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Speaker 1: nursing homes charge because they kind of know that the

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Speaker 1: government's going to pay for it. So it might be

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Speaker 1: that it's not the freest market, you know, when when

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Speaker 1: it works, but medicaid is a lifeline to a lot

823
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Speaker 1: of a lot of people who have kids in college

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Speaker 1: and aging parents.

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Speaker 3: Yeah no, and you know, people are living longer, so

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Speaker 3: we know that, and so their needs and those discussions

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Speaker 3: just haven't been had. They've just gone in with the chainsaw.

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Speaker 3: So so these these are discussions that you know, obviously

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Speaker 3: have not been had when the chainsaw went out there,

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Speaker 3: and you know, the Democrats haven't necessarily had them in

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Speaker 3: constructive ways. Republicans haven't. But you know, I think these

832
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Speaker 3: were the kind we used to have as Republicans, and

833
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 3: these were difficult discussions and you know, this needs. This

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Speaker 3: is what because Trump doesn't understand this, He doesn't care

835
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Speaker 3: about these kind of things, all sound bites, and now

836
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Speaker 3: you have a party that isn't even governing. This whole

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Speaker 3: dozed operation went on with one man who had no

838
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 3: understanding of government, Elon Musk, going in with these kids,

839
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Speaker 3: and then Congress just relinquishing its responsibility, you know, and

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Speaker 3: the law and unfortunately the one place because I've been

841
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 3: involved in with different groups that have done all these lawsuits,

842
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 3: and that's where a lot of these things have been stopped.

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Speaker 3: So thank goodness, and I say, thank goodness, the law

844
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Speaker 3: is held up. And a lot of the lawyers and

845
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 3: this is where right Republicans got attacked for a lot

846
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 3: of these conservative lawyers that got put on the bench.

847
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Speaker 3: And in many cases it's these Reagan, Bush and Trump

848
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Speaker 3: lawyers who are stopping the Trump agenda. God.

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Speaker 1: Well, the fact that Trump is now turning on Leonard Leo,

850
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Speaker 1: who of course is a polarizing figure on the left,

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Speaker 1: it tells you, you know, again, Trump does not believe

852
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 1: in any ideology he believes if I appointed you look

853
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 1: at his complain about Amy Coney Barrett. His complaint isn't

854
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: that she's been a proper conservative. His complaint is she

855
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Speaker 1: doesn't rule in favor of me.

856
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 2: Enough.

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00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and he doesn't. Well, I mean, look, you know,

858
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,439
Speaker 3: when you've got going back to Christy no I saying,

859
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Speaker 3: you know, habeas corpus means the president can take somebody

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Speaker 3: in the country if he wants to beware Elon.

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Speaker 1: Musk, you know she might because well that is the

862
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Speaker 1: Steve Bannon plan for Musk, right, which is.

863
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, exactly, So so you know, you know this

864
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 3: is all basic things, you know, and I think, you know,

865
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Speaker 3: people like our Republican legacy there. You know, listen, it's

866
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Speaker 3: a group we know. It's not realistic.

867
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's you seem more skeptical. It's interesting because

868
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Speaker 1: I'm sitting here going I'm skeptical, and you're like, yeah,

869
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Speaker 1: me too, Like you don't seem convinced that you'd be

870
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Speaker 1: able to reform the party from within right away.

871
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 3: I think it takes one person to go out and

872
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 3: be an object lesson and succeed. So it takes one

873
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 3: person of character to be able to go out there

874
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 3: and then put these principles into action in a state.

875
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 3: You know, so many of them have capitulated. Listen.

876
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: You know people thought, well, I would argue Spencer has

877
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 1: done this, I mean Spencer Cox to me.

878
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 3: And they had to capitulate to Trump. Then they go

879
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,439
Speaker 3: to Trump. You know, so this DeSantis did the same thing.

880
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 3: So now that Trump is going to you know, well,

881
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 3: he can't run again. Hopefully, he just wants to get

882
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 3: his millions and billions and go away. But the others

883
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 3: don't have the same power that he does. And while

884
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 3: they're all going to be they think he's setting up

885
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:30,720
Speaker 3: a fight between Rubio and Vance and maybe Trump Junior

886
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 3: and while they're all going to fight, and maybe Elon

887
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 3: will join in and fight. It was interesting.

888
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Speaker 1: I think I forget Tucker Carlson.

889
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, Tucker. Well, and did you realize Tucker Carlson and

890
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 3: Mike Levin are in a little mean girl spot too?

891
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: Yeah? All over Israel. Yeah, no, it's that. That's ah.

892
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: It does feel as.

893
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Speaker 3: Fight. So there's going to be a lot of you know,

894
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 3: the fight club is going to start because they may

895
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 3: be afraid of fighting Trump.

896
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: Is this Where is this where you see opportunity for

897
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 1: the same way.

898
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Speaker 3: And that's where, particularly in the States, somebody's saying can

899
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,439
Speaker 3: come up and you know do that. I mean, look,

900
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 3: you have somebody like Andy Basheer, I mean he's a Democrat,

901
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 3: But where's the Republican Andy Basheer who I mean? Look,

902
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 3: he's run twice and run you know in Kentucky. He's

903
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 3: his own brand, he's his own man. Where's that Republican

904
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 3: who can do that?

905
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,439
Speaker 1: Now there's the Vermont governor who who somehow survives under

906
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 1: the radar.

907
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Speaker 3: Well, you need a bigger state, you know, you need something,

908
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,919
Speaker 3: you know, you need a Republican in a Midwest state,

909
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 3: in a swing state. You need to have a Republican

910
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 3: who will do this in a swing state in a

911
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 3: big enough state to get noticed and then get it

912
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Speaker 3: out there with some of these problems. Solving you know.

913
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Speaker 1: Well isn't the problem though, the primary.

914
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Speaker 3: Shapiro, He's like, make stuff work right. Make you know

915
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 3: when you fix I ninety five, when it collaps collapses

916
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Speaker 3: in thirty days. People know when you go in and

917
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:05,439
Speaker 3: kind of broke or deals between Democrats and Republicans, when

918
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 3: you attract business from new places and just get stuff

919
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 3: done and and just don't pay attention to Washington. I

920
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 3: think a governor like that who then just goes to

921
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Speaker 3: business and says, come on in and work with me

922
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Speaker 3: and do things. I think that type of person. People

923
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 3: are dying for that. And just that's where a Republican

924
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 3: who and then and then go overseas and start saying, hey,

925
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Speaker 3: I want to work with you, I want I want

926
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Speaker 3: you to come in. Let's have some sister city things

927
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Speaker 3: going on. That person could you know, really start a

928
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Speaker 3: whole new thing. And it just takes one or two.

929
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Speaker 1: Of those before we before we got started, you were

930
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 1: you were saying you had just cut return from London

931
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: and the UK fascinates me right now because essentially the

932
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: Tories are collapsing, and they're and the right is essentially

933
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Speaker 1: being replaced by Nigel Farage and they and a new

934
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Speaker 1: right wing.

935
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Speaker 3: That's why they're collapsing, because it's it's a dying and

936
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Speaker 3: I think Trump it's the same way, it's a.

937
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Speaker 1: Last gasp of So so how do you? I mean,

938
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Speaker 1: in some ways though, are you? Are you? Is our

939
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 1: Republican legacy? The Tories and and or I know, I.

940
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Speaker 3: Think Trump, I mean I think, I mean, I think

941
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:30,240
Speaker 3: the reason the republic you know, they've kind of collapsed

942
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Speaker 3: is because they got taken over by sort of the

943
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Speaker 3: Trump I mean the Brexit stuff and all the crazy

944
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 3: stuff and isolating, but.

945
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Speaker 1: Their voters left the Tories. Their voters are now with

946
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: the breaks of tears, right.

947
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And so that I mean, I think that all

948
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 3: hurt them. And then they had you know, they they

949
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 3: went with all the crazy people and and then you know,

950
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 3: they had corruption and they had so they're they're having

951
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Speaker 3: to totally rebuild. And Nigel Farage is not going to

952
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Speaker 3: be the way to rebuild. He can't lead you know,

953
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 3: a two car parade. So that's not going to be

954
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Speaker 3: their answer. They're going to they need to do what

955
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Speaker 3: we need to do. They've got to totally rebuild. He's

956
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 3: not the answer. So you know, they have the same

957
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:10,439
Speaker 3: problem we have. So I do think, you know, but

958
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 3: but the one good thing when you look at the

959
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 3: EU and Europe, they've come together because of the weakening

960
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 3: of the US. So I think there's and look, I

961
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 3: mean listen, I think the best leader out there on

962
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Speaker 3: the world front is Zelensky. I mean, God bless you know.

963
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 3: And look what he did on Sunday and how they

964
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 3: and and my friend Denver Riggleman was over there over

965
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 3: the weekend when all of that was going down, and

966
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 3: so you know, these people are the scrappiest and care

967
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 3: about freedom and they are not giving their freedom up.

968
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 3: And when you have freedom fighters who are fighting on

969
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Speaker 3: the right side of things for the right reasons and

970
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 3: for their cause, you know they and they are getting

971
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 3: the EU and in the UK behind them, and you

972
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 3: know that's you know yesterday.

973
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Speaker 1: Well, this is the folly of Putin. Even if Putin

974
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Speaker 1: gets a thinks he gets a win out of this,

975
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Speaker 1: there's going to be a Ukrainian insurgency that becomes that

976
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 1: probably eventually topples Putin if he tried, if he's I mean,

977
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: you can you know, you don't when somebody's fighting for

978
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: their land, they never stop. You know, ask ask America

979
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: and the North Vietnamese like you're coulda when you're fighting

980
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 1: for your land? Yeah?

981
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 3: And and the Speaker and Lindsey Grant like they have

982
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Speaker 3: the you know, the sanctions bill. I mean, you know,

983
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 3: Trump says, no, they're not going to do anything. I

984
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 3: don't like they've got a you know, veto proof majority

985
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 3: in the Senate for that sanctions bill. The House, maybe

986
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 3: it's gonna be hard, but you know they can get that.

987
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 3: They should push that bill now after that great victory,

988
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:56,879
Speaker 3: and I hope they do. But there, you know, that's

989
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 3: where we need to see a little courage on that

990
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 3: front too, because you know, they should appeal.

991
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: To Well, it's amazing how some of the leading voice from.

992
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 3: Vanity that you like a winner, why don't you why

993
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 3: don't you go with the winner here?

994
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: Well, but what's amazing is that the Tucker Carlson wing

995
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: of this mega movement has somehow convinced Trump that Ukraine

996
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: is going to cause Putin to use to use nuclear weapons.

997
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: I mean, the fact that Tucker Carlson is able to

998
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: saber rattle on behalf of Putin. I just can't believe

999
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: an American journalist is saber rattling on behalf of Putin.

1000
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 3: Sin has woken up to that one and is, you know,

1001
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 3: writing him off as a kook. And Mark still has

1002
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 3: some sway with Trump, so he's gone after him full throttle.

1003
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 3: Now on on Iran.

1004
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: We'll say, I feel like it's amazing how often you

1005
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 1: see you think Tucker's been marginalized and he somehow reaps

1006
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 1: back in.

1007
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 3: I think the party that goes with the crackpot like

1008
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 3: Tucker will really die.

1009
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: Out because it's so like I said, let's realistically then,

1010
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: what you're it sounds like what this group hopes for

1011
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: is that there is a movement and you know that

1012
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: there's some candidates that run on this agenda in a

1013
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 1: primary in twenty eight and that Republican primary voters might

1014
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: find it appealing. That's where I'm struggling. That's where I'm skeptical.

1015
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 3: Well, no, well, it's it's also you're trying to find

1016
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,879
Speaker 3: candidates on the state and local level, in governors. It's

1017
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 3: not just as a presidential candidate, but at all levels

1018
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 3: doing that hard work to find people that want to

1019
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 3: get out there. I mean, you don't know how the

1020
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 3: circumstances are going to change and where.

1021
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,240
Speaker 1: But somebody's got to be able to win almost against

1022
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 1: Trump for this, for people to believe that there's enough

1023
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: of a movement inside the Republican tent, right, Like, somebody's

1024
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,720
Speaker 1: got to almost win despite the best efforts of Trump

1025
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 1: to stop them.

1026
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, yeah, I mean it's got I mean, listen,

1027
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 3: I'm in the position of whatever stops Trump, whether it's

1028
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,800
Speaker 3: a Democrat, an independent, or somebody from within the party.

1029
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 3: But we've got to start now to some way to

1030
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 3: rebuild this party at every level. So rebuilding the party

1031
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 3: means having a structure, having people who are saying, who

1032
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 3: were speaking out and saying you can have these principles.

1033
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 3: We need people of characters step out, giving a permission

1034
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 3: structure that you can say these things and still survive

1035
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 3: and hopefully, you know, stand up and do this. You know,

1036
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 3: give them that, you know, the hope that you can

1037
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 3: be a person of character and run again. And you know,

1038
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 3: have somebody like Senator Dan Forth who you know, certainly

1039
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 3: had a long and distinguished career. Don't be afraid to

1040
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 3: speak out. So many people. The worst thing right now

1041
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 3: is the silence so many people who say, oh, yeah,

1042
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 3: it's great that you're saying something, but I'm working behind

1043
00:57:59,200 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 3: the scenes.

1044
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 1: I got it, Or how about the well if I

1045
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: say if I you know, if I leave, then somebody

1046
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: worse will replace me.

1047
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 3: Well, that is true, and I do have sympathy for

1048
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 3: people who are in there knowing that that is true.

1049
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 3: But there are so many of those, particularly those who

1050
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 3: like are in the Senate who have a six year

1051
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 3: window like let me, I'll give you credit. The other

1052
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 3: day Senator Kennedy of all people, because a lot of

1053
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 3: times he's just saying, you know, just does his folksy stuff.

1054
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 3: But he went out Howard Lutnick on his insanity on

1055
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 3: tariffs and just called him out on not knowing what

1056
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 3: he was talking about.

1057
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: Why Lutnik is he's been like between what Kennedy did

1058
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: to him. So you're saying, if a country came in

1059
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 1: with an offer of reciprocal you know, zero tariffs, you know,

1060
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: you're just and there was like crickets and then what

1061
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: was it? Lutnik was in the House and Madelin Dean

1062
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: hit him with the bananas. Well, you know, we got

1063
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: to manufacture bananas here, yeah, where are we built? Where

1064
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: are we where are we planning our or.

1065
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 3: The patients of a saint not to throw the banana

1066
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 3: at him. I mean it was And then the same

1067
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 3: thing on education, when you know, one of the members

1068
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 3: was asking the secretary, wwe there, Yeah, you know, would

1069
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 3: it be DEEI if we you know, talked about the

1070
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 3: Oklahoma race riots, and it was clear that she didn't

1071
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 3: know what the Oklahoma race rights. And again she had

1072
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 3: the patients not to say, wait a minute, do you

1073
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 3: know about the Oklahoma race riots? Do you know? And

1074
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 3: she said, well, I'll have to get back to you

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Speaker 3: on that one. It's like, no, you don't have to

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Speaker 3: get back to me. Those can be taught. And then

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Speaker 3: she said, well, do you know what about Ruby Bridges?

1078
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 3: Can we teach Ruby Bridges? And again she's saying, I'll

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Speaker 3: have to get back to you. She didn't know who

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Speaker 3: Ruby Bridges was in this, as I said, totally incompetent,

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00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 3: non merit based people and these positions, which is the

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Speaker 3: worst thing we had as Republicans. We should be ashamed of.

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Speaker 1: No I mean, you know, I was. I always say

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Speaker 1: I was. I grew up with a with a in

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Speaker 1: a mixed political marriage, and but my father was always

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Speaker 1: one of those who said, well, Democrats have some interesting ideas,

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Speaker 1: but I want Republicans to implement them. They're better managers.

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01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 1: You can't say that today the Republicans are not the better.

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Speaker 3: So I became a Republican when I started. I mean,

1090
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 3: I grew up in a Democratic family, and I remember

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01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 3: reading like National Review and oh so intellectual. Remember meeting

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Speaker 3: Bill Buckley.

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01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 1: And be so Bill Buckley would not be allowed into

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Speaker 1: this party.

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Speaker 3: And you know, this week Vance was being interviewed by

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Speaker 3: somebody and they said, oh, you used to write for

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01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 3: You're kind of an intellectual. You used to write for

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01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 3: National Review. And he said, oh, you're such an a

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01:00:54,680 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 3: whole for reminding me of that. And I thought, you

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Speaker 3: know what for saying that. You know, I'm thinking, oh,

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Speaker 3: Bill Buckley, could hear that that we have? I mean,

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Speaker 3: you know, the future of the Republican Party cannot be

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Speaker 3: this horrible. JD.

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Speaker 1: Van I don't know what to make of it.

1105
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:22,439
Speaker 3: The Vatican slapping two popes on the shoulder like Adam boy,

1106
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 3: you don't slap the pope on the shoulder when you

1107
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 3: meet him, particularly a very elderly six book. But this

1108
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 3: is what this knitwi who can't ever button his jacket?

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Speaker 1: So what do you make? You know? It's funny as vance?

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Speaker 1: Do we think charlatan saw that? Right? Do we think

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01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:46,479
Speaker 1: he's always been a charlatan or do we think he's

1112
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 1: just I've always thought he's just immature still and he's

1113
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: still trying to figure out who he is.

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Speaker 3: Both. I think he's always been a charlatan and he

1115
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 3: is not. I think maybe the wife is the brains

1116
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 3: and the family and maybe was carrying him along. But

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01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 3: I think he's always been a charlatan, and he is

1118
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:07,439
Speaker 3: not as people have said, he's smart, but he says

1119
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 3: a lot of dumb things. You know, the things he

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Speaker 3: said about the space program this week. He's just not

1121
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 3: as smart as he thinks he is. And he is

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01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 3: a totally charmless person. Having met both him well and

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Speaker 3: Bill Buckley.

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Speaker 1: He was not going to win that primary. I mean

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Speaker 1: it was because he was not very charismatic at all. Yeah,

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01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 1: and you know he just got willed to it by

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Speaker 1: the last minute endorsement attack.

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Speaker 3: And right and right after he won that primary because

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Speaker 3: I still was going to Republican events at that time.

1130
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Speaker 3: Remember he came to a Republican event out in Middelburg

1131
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 3: where all the Republican folks were there, and he spent

1132
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Speaker 3: the event complaining that Carl Rove didn't want him to

1133
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 3: be the nominee and all these people didn't want him

1134
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:58,439
Speaker 3: to be the nominee. But now on the nominee, it's like, yeah, okay,

1135
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 3: you got Peter Tieal to buy you the nomination, and

1136
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 3: you got Junior to you know, get so you bought

1137
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 3: your nomination. Like he is such a you know, you know,

1138
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 3: he didn't earn anything he got. You know, that's what's

1139
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 3: so ridiculous. He didn't earn it. He's a membo. And

1140
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 3: and so he's complaining. And then apparently that year when

1141
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 3: you know, did you ever say thank you? You know,

1142
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 3: he Mitch McConnell gives him all the money and he

1143
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 3: never said thank you, And then he's horrible to Mitch McConnell.

1144
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Speaker 3: And then I think I don't even think he voted.

1145
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 3: He voted for Rick Scott, probably for a majority leader,

1146
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 3: and it.

1147
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 1: Wasn't wasn't exactly grateful to me.

1148
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Speaker 3: And so he is so graceless and just such a

1149
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 3: you know, charmless person. So that can't be the future

1150
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 3: of the party because and he didn't go back home

1151
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 3: and help his people. You know, he went off to

1152
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 3: San Francisco and was composting and doing everything there and

1153
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 3: getting rich and only came home when he could use

1154
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 3: people to then buy his way in. And then he

1155
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 3: never passed any bills. You never passed any bills. I

1156
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 3: passed more bills than JD. Vance. So so let me

1157
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 3: ask you this.

1158
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: So in twenty eight you know when when I when

1159
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Speaker 1: I'm asked who's the potential you know, the most likely nominees,

1160
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Speaker 1: And you know, you go through the MAGA world and

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Speaker 1: you identified the three potential mag of people, right, Ruby

1162
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 1: Vance Junior. And then I always throw in Glenn Youngkin

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01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 1: because he's got money, uh and because you know he

1164
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 1: might you know, you think to yourself that strategically, who's

1165
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 1: somebody that could straddle the two wings of the party.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he could. You obviously, being a Virginian, what do

1167
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 1: you and what you said about Spencer Cox, I'm gonna

1168
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 1: guess that you wish Youngkin hadn't capitulated as much to

1169
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 1: Trump as he has on various things, but is he

1170
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Speaker 1: let me ask you this, is he redeemable in your eyes?

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Speaker 3: I think for twenty eight in the Republican Party at

1172
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Speaker 3: this point. That's why I think for this group it's

1173
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 3: a longer term. And you know, because I think, you know,

1174
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 3: Trump will be around anointing people doing whatever. I think

1175
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 3: it'll either be somebody totally new who's not tainted by

1176
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 3: Trump at all, who rises from whatever, or it'll be

1177
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Speaker 3: a Democrat, you know, who will you know, go after

1178
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 3: this Republican Party. So I do think it'll be one

1179
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Speaker 3: of those three probably most likely, unless you know, they

1180
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Speaker 3: totally flame out in or no.

1181
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 1: I mean, if you had a look a scenario where

1182
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Speaker 1: Democrats won the Senate and the House in twenty six, right,

1183
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:51,440
Speaker 1: stuff was so bad, then it's a whole reckoning, then.

1184
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 3: It can be a total flame out. Then you could

1185
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 3: have somebody be you know. But I think the problem

1186
01:05:56,200 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 3: is MAGA won't accept the half pretend maga. They don't

1187
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 3: do that.

1188
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 1: So Youngkin's not maga enough. He's he's too maga for

1189
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 1: some Republicans, not maga enough for the other.

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Speaker 3: I mean, listen, they wouldn't even accept DeSantis. He wasn't

1191
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 3: a Maga, you know, it was like two you know,

1192
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 3: I wasn't a DeSantis fan, but he he ended up

1193
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 3: you know kind of you know, cross hairs on. You know,

1194
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 3: if you don't get the blessing.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of charmless, I mean that's also something. I mean

1196
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 1: it just look and I say this, you know, you

1197
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 1: gotta have somebody that can sell dog fit. You gotta

1198
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 1: help that people want to eat it. But that somebody

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01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 1: can sell when is.

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Speaker 3: That farming smart person? And he at least charming and

1201
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 3: he but the problem and I wish Virginia had. You know,

1202
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 3: if you have two term governors, you can get a

1203
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 3: lot more done it because it makes it very difficult

1204
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 3: with one term to really be able to That's a

1205
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 3: problem with Virginia governors as you kind of get in

1206
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 3: there and you get stymied and you can't.

1207
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Speaker 1: Have Basically it takes them a year to get to

1208
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 1: know how to do things. They get a year to

1209
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 1: try to figure it out, and then then you get

1210
01:06:58,480 --> 01:06:59,919
Speaker 1: your big terms and you're over.

1211
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:03,479
Speaker 3: You know, I think Trump's going to, you know, want

1212
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 3: to anoint somebody, and He's going to annoint somebody who

1213
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 3: you know, begs for his right pleasure. So unless they

1214
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 3: get totally wiped out how Sam sent it, and then

1215
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 3: then it is a free for all, then there is

1216
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 3: some hope for somebody who's totally in a different mode.

1217
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 3: But I think it's going to have to be I

1218
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 3: think for this group and what we're trying to do,

1219
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 3: I think it's more a longer term cycle.

1220
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Speaker 1: All right, let me get you out of here on this, Nami,

1221
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 1: because you're a group. This group has a lot of

1222
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 1: formers and as you noted, no currents. So give me

1223
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 1: some current Republicans who you have not given up on

1224
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 1: that you think could you know, if they if they

1225
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 1: if they stiffen their spine, they could be the sort

1226
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 1: of be at the tip of the spear here in

1227
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 1: this movement to reclaim the Republican Party for the Eisenhower

1228
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 1: or Romney era.

1229
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Speaker 3: I have to be careful because I don't want them

1230
01:07:58,680 --> 01:07:59,440
Speaker 3: to get target I.

1231
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 1: Know, if you say their name, you might it might

1232
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 1: hurt them, right you, Yeah, no, don Bacon, you know.

1233
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:07,920
Speaker 3: Because I think they're most likely I will say people

1234
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 3: in the states who are keeping a lower profile and

1235
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 3: probably like your state reps and your state senators who

1236
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 3: are out there and deciding like when will they run

1237
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:22,639
Speaker 3: statewide or will they run for state Senate? And then

1238
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 3: they have a longer shelf life and they can work

1239
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 3: into those.

1240
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Speaker 1: But you say that, you know, I'm a half Floridy

1241
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:35,519
Speaker 1: and half Virginian. And you know Adam Putnam, who somebody

1242
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 1: you served with, I believe for a period of time,

1243
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 1: he did it the right way and he got maggoed

1244
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 1: out right.

1245
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 3: Well, that's why I think I think, you know, I

1246
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 3: like this here for the you know, this is here

1247
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 3: kind of for the I think, really for the lower

1248
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:55,599
Speaker 3: tier people. And then you got to get this top

1249
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:59,679
Speaker 3: tier gone first, because because this is who Trump pays

1250
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 3: at tention to, he doesn't get involved. You know, it

1251
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 3: doesn't you can really as a house candidate, he doesn't

1252
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 3: pay attention to those. I remember when who is the

1253
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 3: kid in North Carolina in the wheelchair that lost.

1254
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:14,479
Speaker 1: His Madison Madison?

1255
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 3: When Tom Tillis went after him and replaced him. Although

1256
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 3: the guy him isn't so hot, but when they did

1257
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 3: replace him, you know afterwards, you know, when they said, hey,

1258
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 3: you know he wasn't so great. We had to get

1259
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:32,599
Speaker 3: rid of him. Trump was like, oh, who was that kid?

1260
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 3: What was his name? Trump doesn't really notice the House

1261
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:38,599
Speaker 3: races that much. It's really the Senate and the bigger ones,

1262
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 3: so you can that's why you can sort of do

1263
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:45,800
Speaker 3: the House races and then the state in below. So

1264
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Speaker 3: that's where people.

1265
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Speaker 1: You're not naming names, so you don't have a lot

1266
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:49,719
Speaker 1: of names. Huh.

1267
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 3: I honestly don't want to hurt it would if I

1268
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 3: named them.

1269
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, let me let me throw us you know

1270
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:02,880
Speaker 1: right right, well, let me throw you a scenario if

1271
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 1: John Curtis and Lisa Murkowski joined Angus King and No,

1272
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 1: I do think Mark Kelly to say, you know what,

1273
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 1: we're going to be independence, We're not going to be

1274
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:15,880
Speaker 1: members of the Republican h No.

1275
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 3: I think it needs to be a new governor, like

1276
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 3: a new person who gets out there, new blood, new face,

1277
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 3: like a new Glen Youngkin, like a new person that

1278
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 3: comes out of somewhere and.

1279
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:32,880
Speaker 1: Just without Trump baggage at all, and maybe without any

1280
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 1: old party baggage.

1281
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, like a Glenn Youngkin in Pennsylvania that after Like

1282
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:42,120
Speaker 3: so after Shapiro runs and wins a second term, some

1283
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:46,840
Speaker 3: Glen Youngkin in Pennsylvania comes out Republican with some gat

1284
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 3: you know.

1285
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 1: Who's well, you're describing the DLC of the Republican Party.

1286
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 1: It's almost like you're looking for your Bill Clinton. What

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Speaker 1: Bill Clinton? Did? You know? Bill Clinton was sort of

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Speaker 1: a what you're describing, right, Bill Clinton was a was

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Speaker 1: an outsider, and then they took over the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 3: And then no, yeah, because you don't you need a

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Speaker 3: person not so much. And then and somebody you know,

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Speaker 3: or somebody in Pennsylvania, somebody in you know, Michigan, or

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Speaker 3: somebody you know just who comes in and just makes

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Speaker 3: it click, you know, because when when Glenn did that,

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Speaker 3: you know, he you know, he did put together a

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Speaker 3: great coalition and he didn't run with Trump. And if

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Speaker 3: Trump hadn't made the comeback, if Trump had been wiped.

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Speaker 1: Down, dunk and might be you're right, and might be

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Speaker 1: the face of this new republic kind.

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Speaker 3: Of profile would have been a very could have been

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Speaker 3: very successful. So I think that is a model for

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Speaker 3: somebody who could do that, because.

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Speaker 1: So finding an outsider you'd love to see, you know,

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Speaker 1: whether it's a retired military leader, a successful business person,

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Speaker 1: somebody maybe who's had success outside of politics.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, but no, but because it could like it

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Speaker 3: could have been a Glenn Youngkin who was a state

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Speaker 3: legislator too. So it doesn't have to be somebody who

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Speaker 3: necessarily comes from totally outside. It could be somebody who

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Speaker 3: just makes that move and does it, you know, and

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Speaker 3: and just decides to not latch themselves. But you probably

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Speaker 3: need to have a little wherewithal enough money to be independent.

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Speaker 3: You know, he had. I mean he raised half half

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Speaker 3: of the money he ran on with his own money.

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Speaker 1: So no, I mean it gave him. It gave him

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Speaker 1: really we know this right having that.

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Speaker 3: And people but he also people didn't realize he he

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Speaker 3: had been active and had a lot of social capital,

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Speaker 3: you know, in the business world.

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Speaker 1: In Virginia, particularly Northern Virginia, which was an important place for.

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Speaker 3: So you know, he did have a lot of social capital.

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Speaker 3: He been active, his wife had been active, and so

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Speaker 3: they had done a lot of things. He just didn't

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Speaker 3: come out of nowhere and just run because he had money.

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Speaker 3: He had done a lot of things and ben and

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Speaker 3: there was a real positive response and because Trump had lost,

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01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 3: people were willing to take a chance. And he was

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Speaker 3: conservative and he was genuinely conservative but had some good ideas,

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Speaker 3: but he wasn't.

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Speaker 1: Far right, wasn't a dogma. It wasn't all dogma.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that kind of model would work

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Speaker 3: for for somebody else. And it wasn't attacked, it wasn't

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Speaker 3: attached to to Trump.

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Speaker 1: And well, Barbara Comstock, you haven't given up yet another

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Speaker 1: Republican party. That's basically the way we should interpret it.

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Speaker 1: You're not ready to give up, you know.

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Speaker 3: And I think I think Glenn did get independence and

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Speaker 3: some Democrats because you know, when he was running against

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Speaker 3: somebody who you know.

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Speaker 1: Was sort of polarizing in from another. But also, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're not going to be kind of incumbents right now,

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Speaker 1: you know, whether you're a current incumbent or you formally

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Speaker 1: held office, Like I do think that all of that

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Speaker 1: is baggage, whether you're a deer or r you have

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Speaker 1: the eye, or you are former. I do think like

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Speaker 1: because there's a lot of people say, hey, the system

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Speaker 1: hasn't worked for a while, so why are we going

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Speaker 1: to turn back to people that have been there? They

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Speaker 1: want new. I do think they want new, whether it's

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Speaker 1: new left or new right, they want new.

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Speaker 3: But then you end up having a short shelf life

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Speaker 3: on You got to come in and make things work,

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Speaker 3: and that's that is the problem. They don't give you

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01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:21,640
Speaker 3: much time to make it work, so you have to

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01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 3: really have a plan, and that's going to be I

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01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 3: think Trump's problem is they really they've blown it in

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Speaker 3: these first six months.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, I think this is his version of the

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Speaker 1: Afghanistan withdrawal. Like, you know, he had one He had

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Speaker 1: one job as far as the country was concerned, get

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Speaker 1: the economy back on track. And on the one thing

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Speaker 1: that he was tasked with doing. Everything else was gravy

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01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 1: one thing, and he blew it. And now he blew it.

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Speaker 1: He has made it worse, and I think that's why

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Speaker 1: he'll never get over forty five percent.

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Speaker 3: And then look at look at where the markets are

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Speaker 3: right now. Today we're sitting here six months in and

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Speaker 3: we aren't eve and back to where it was on

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Speaker 3: Sleepy Joe January twentieth. When you look at the markets,

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Speaker 3: like all through the fall, I'm saying, you know, these markets,

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Speaker 3: I could live with Sleepy Joe markets. They are pretty

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Speaker 3: darn good.

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Speaker 1: No, it turns out that the country does just find

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Speaker 1: when sometimes our president is quiet, and.

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Speaker 3: Because he crashed the markets and now they're getting back

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Speaker 3: on you know, okay, there if we're lucky, we might

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Speaker 3: get back to them, but the tariffs have slowed everything

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Speaker 3: down to where we were supposed to have two and

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Speaker 3: a half, you know, percent growth, and we're not going

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Speaker 3: to get the growth we were supposed to have.

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Speaker 1: Look, I'm gonna ask you a simple question. Would you

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Speaker 1: sell a house right now in Northern Virginia? Right?

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Speaker 3: No, No, I'm not playing. And actually my daughter's moving

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Speaker 3: back here. So they've been overseas and she's moving in

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Speaker 3: with us because of the high interest rates, because she

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Speaker 3: can't buy a house right now, and so she's going

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Speaker 3: to move in with us.

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Speaker 1: And that's physic that's the Trump economy. That's yeah, this

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Speaker 1: is not Trump's economy.

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Speaker 3: And uh and yeah, Robert Comstack, it's always a pleasure

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Speaker 3: talking with you.

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Speaker 1: We're neighboring congressional districts in Northern Virginia, so it's always

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Speaker 1: a p And my guess is we probably do shop

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Speaker 1: at the same grocery store.

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Speaker 3: But I am still optimistic about this country. Things will

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Speaker 3: survive Trump because our economy people still get out there

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Speaker 3: and work hard, and our foreign policy, our allies will

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Speaker 3: rally even if the US isn't doing what we're going

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Speaker 3: to do, and hopefully the Senate and people will still

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Speaker 3: stay with Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate the optimism because that's what I tried to be,

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01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:35,720
Speaker 1: long term optimistic, not going to pretend it's not going

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01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 1: to be short term tumultuous. But but you know, just

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01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:42,679
Speaker 1: put the hurricane shutters on. All right, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: All right, So I got a couple of questions for you.

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Speaker 1: Question one, I love this. The timing is perfect this question.

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01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 1: I actually don't have the name of the person. Ah,

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01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 1: it's John from Fairfield, California, And as he notes, it's

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Speaker 1: the county seat of what he considers the most conservative

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01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 1: county in the San Francisco Bay area, and it's home

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Speaker 1: to Travis Air Force Base. And here's his question. Hey, Chuck,

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Speaker 1: some shameless admiration before my question. I'm a big fan.

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01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:24,320
Speaker 1: I think you do amazing reporting. I love your podcast,

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01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 1: love the deep dives into what ifs, and I hope

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01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:29,719
Speaker 1: you can find a way to make fantasy election season

1417
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:33,680
Speaker 1: happen again now that you are running solo. Oh, it

1418
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 1: is so tempting. We will do this as we get closer,

1419
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 1: We'll create fantasy Senate drafts and maybe a Goobernatorial draft.

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Speaker 1: Here or there. But here's his question, Well, a lot

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Speaker 1: of other things have happened since the big breakup. I

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01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 1: think a lot of damning information was shared during the

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01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:53,960
Speaker 1: big breakup. It seems Donald may have sent the National

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Speaker 1: Guard into California to help move the news along after

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Speaker 1: the breakup. I think he's referring now I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: figure out here the breakup meaning must Trump. My question

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01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:04,920
Speaker 1: is should Democrats get back to the information shared during

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01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 1: the breakup and would any of that help Democrats in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six?

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I assume you're referring to some of the criticisms that

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Speaker 1: Musk made, including I'm going to guess the Epstein allegation,

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Speaker 1: and I will tell you this, I'm a I'm a

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01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 1: skeptic when it comes to the Epstein files that somehow,

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01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's always been this magical fantasy on

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Speaker 1: the left that Donald Trump is involved with the Epstein file,

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01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:34,720
Speaker 1: in the Epstein files in some ways that are that

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01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:38,240
Speaker 1: are uncomfortable. I don't, I'll be honest with you. Donald

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01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 1: Trump's been accused of of rape. Donald Trump's been accused

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Speaker 1: of a lot of things, and none of that seems

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Speaker 1: to I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: You know, if if he ended up on Jeffrey Epstein's

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Speaker 1: Island with you know, and it was love and it

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Speaker 1: was an episode of Love Island and he was at

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01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 1: the center of it, I still don't. I think that's

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01:18:58,120 --> 01:18:59,800
Speaker 1: a I think he's right. I think he were at

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01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:02,679
Speaker 1: the Fifth Avenue. He could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue.

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01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:06,120
Speaker 1: Point of it. And on the right, the fantasy is

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01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 1: that somehow the Epstein files, you know, somehow put the

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01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:14,000
Speaker 1: Clintons in a precarious way, and there's always a conspiracy

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01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 1: theory involving the Clintons on the right, because it is

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01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:21,479
Speaker 1: they're so conditioned to have a conspiracy theory about the

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01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:22,960
Speaker 1: Clintons that I don't know if they know how to

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01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:25,320
Speaker 1: talk about the Clintons any other way. The point is,

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01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I'm one of those folks who

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Speaker 1: believes the government is not very good at keeping secrets,

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01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 1: and if there's sensitive information that is damning against an

1459
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 1: individual politically, it's going to come out sooner, not later.

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Speaker 1: This is why I think that we have it. There

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Speaker 1: is no there is no file left that will come

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01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 1: out in the JFK files that will definitively tell us

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01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:52,439
Speaker 1: anything that there's no more there, right, and the lack

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Speaker 1: of it is only going to keep some conspiracy theorists

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Speaker 1: believing that it's there. And I think the Epstein situation

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Speaker 1: is the same thing, right, where people have so fantasized

1467
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Speaker 1: in their head about what it might be and all

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Speaker 1: of these things that no amount of no amount of information.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, you know, even when you have a

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Speaker 1: lead conspiracy theorist like Dan Bongino and Cash Patel who

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Speaker 1: have been dining out and manuf and sort of riding

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Speaker 1: the wave of these manufactured conspiracy theories for years, including

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Speaker 1: Bongino who made a bunch of money off of it.

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Speaker 1: When he actually got into office realized, oh this was

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Speaker 1: a bunch of horse hockey. This was manufactured, made up crap.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: And nobody wants to believe them, right, even the people

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Speaker 1: that used to believe them. Ahow oh, the deep state

1479
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Speaker 1: got to them. The deep state is code for the truth.

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Speaker 1: And so I just I'm not there, but I take

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Speaker 1: your point.

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Speaker 2: I think they're real.

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Speaker 1: You know, the thing that I would be wondering about

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Speaker 1: in the Musk breakup, and I thought where you were

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Speaker 1: going to go with your question is whether it is

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Speaker 1: worth Democrats courting Musk again or not? And I think,

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Speaker 1: my I just look, I think the issue with Elon

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Speaker 1: Musk is, is it turns out. You know, I don't

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Speaker 1: think Thomas Edison would have made a good president. I

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01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:24,200
Speaker 1: know Alexander Graham Bell wouldn't have made a good president.

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Speaker 1: These were the inventors. You know, Steve Jobs wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: made a good president or a good politician. And Elon

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Speaker 1: Musk is a terrible politician. You know, inventors are geniuses,

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Speaker 1: and they're also got one track minds, and they're also

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01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 1: sort of obsessive, compulsive type of folks, and that is

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Speaker 1: not the temperament you want in a politician. And I

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Speaker 1: just think that, I think it's erratic behavior. I think

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Speaker 1: Musk is to be respected, to be courted, and to

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Speaker 1: be you know, treated just professionally. But I think we've

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Speaker 1: got to be careful concentrating too much power into wealthy hands,

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Speaker 1: especially someone who may have the ability to control most

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Speaker 1: of the satellites that we need to operate our day

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Speaker 1: to day lives. And I think that's a dangerous to

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Speaker 1: concentrate that much power. Look, I go back to something

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Speaker 1: I said the other day the concentration of power in

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Speaker 1: any one person or one entity is something that we

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Speaker 1: should as a country always be skeptical of. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: I thought you were going to go down that road.

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Speaker 1: The second question I got this comes from actually a

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Speaker 1: live human being that stopped me earlier today, and the

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01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:43,320
Speaker 1: question was, what if Donald Trump did convince the Republican

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Speaker 1: Party to raise taxes on billionaires in his big beautiful bill?

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Speaker 2: What would that do?

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Speaker 1: How would the Democrats deal with that? And I'll tell you,

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Speaker 1: I think it was an interesting question because you know,

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Speaker 1: you want to talk about paralyzing the Democratic Party on messaging.

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01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 1: Imagine if Donald Trump's Republican Party was able to pass

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01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:13,879
Speaker 1: a big beautiful bill that gave no taxes on tips

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01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:21,000
Speaker 1: in exchange for raising taxes on anybody that earns five

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Speaker 1: million dollars or more, and essentially it was that was

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Speaker 1: how they paid for it. You would take one of

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Speaker 1: the strongest Democratic, populous talking points that they've had for

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Speaker 1: my entire life, taxing the rich, and you would take

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Speaker 1: that away and put the Party in an awkward position. Now,

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01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 1: the fact that Trump chickened out right, the fact that

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01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:47,839
Speaker 1: he tacoed that this is a Steve Bannon he's obsessed

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Speaker 1: with this idea, and it look it would be I

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01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:56,759
Speaker 1: think it would be amazing, fascinating realignment politics. The fact

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01:23:56,800 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 1: that Trump chickened out, I think was just simply a

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Speaker 1: vote count. Right. The reason he can't do it is

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Speaker 1: he can't. You can't pass a bill on partisan lines

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Speaker 1: with this version of the Republican Party because too many

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Speaker 1: members of the Republican Party in Congress came from the

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Speaker 1: There is no such thing as a good tax hike.

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Speaker 1: Not you know, as my friend Brad Todd, who's a

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Speaker 1: longtime Republican consultant pretty much has I think a third

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01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 1: of the US Senate on his client list, has said,

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Speaker 1: he said Republicans were put on.

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01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 2: Earth to cut taxes.

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Speaker 1: Right. That's the philosophy he was raised with, and that's

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Speaker 1: the philosophy that he preaches certainly to his clients, and.

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Speaker 2: He never would recommend any other way.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of Republicans who that's just something they

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01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 1: believe through and through. So the only way that Donald

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01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:48,360
Speaker 1: Trump could get something like that pass is he'd have

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01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:51,200
Speaker 1: to work with Democrats, and since they chose not to

1547
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:53,400
Speaker 1: work with Democrats, Democrats aren't going to work with him

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01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:57,240
Speaker 1: on this so it's why he can't do it, But

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01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 1: the politics of him doing it if he tried, and

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01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:03,800
Speaker 1: even if he tried and failed and Republicans were the

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Speaker 1: ones that stopped him, Boy, would that insulate Trump in

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01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 1: a way that I don't think we fully appreciate. You know,

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01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:14,559
Speaker 1: this gets it to sort of the basically my one

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01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:17,280
Speaker 1: of You know, if you if you took all of

1555
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:19,719
Speaker 1: the critiques I've had of Donald Trump over the last

1556
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:23,480
Speaker 1: two months on this podcast, it has one common denominator.

1557
01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:30,080
Speaker 1: I've never critiqued his instinct on what he thinks, what

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01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:32,720
Speaker 1: issues to bring up, and how to try to deal

1559
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:35,479
Speaker 1: with them, right, whether it's immigration or taxes, et cetera.

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01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 1: What he's terrible at is the execution, right He's never

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01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:42,759
Speaker 1: I mean this is you know, a casino in Atlantic

1562
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 1: City was a good idea. Three casinos were no competition.

1563
01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:47,920
Speaker 1: Trying to own them all was a bad idea. Right.

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01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:51,760
Speaker 1: He is not a good executor of ideas. He may

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01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:55,720
Speaker 1: he may stumble upon a good message, or he may

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01:25:56,240 --> 01:26:01,200
Speaker 1: instinctively know how to talk to a a room full

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01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:06,840
Speaker 1: of union guys, but his inability to implement anything with

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01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:10,640
Speaker 1: any sort of sophistication, you know, even look at what

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01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:13,720
Speaker 1: he's doing on the border, right, you know, one of

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01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:16,600
Speaker 1: the reasons why they look. On one hand, they successfully

1571
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:18,679
Speaker 1: were able to sort of clamp down on the border

1572
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 1: because Biden did a bunch of the dirty work for

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Speaker 1: him in the last six months. But now they don't

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01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:26,280
Speaker 1: like that they don't have the numbers they want. They

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Speaker 1: want to hit a certain amount of deportations every day

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Speaker 1: for some sort of scoreboard reasons. So they've done a

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Speaker 1: few things, right, So that's why they're they're aggressively trying

1578
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Speaker 1: these ice raids to get folks who are undocumented but

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01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:43,680
Speaker 1: don't have a criminal record, but they want to get

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Speaker 1: them out. They've taken away temporary protected status from certain

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Speaker 1: groups like Venezuelan's and Nicaraguans and Afghani's simply so that

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Speaker 1: they have a larger pool of people to deport. And

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Speaker 1: so it is sort of pretty I know it sounds

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Speaker 1: cynical of me saying that's what they're doing, but that's

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Speaker 1: what they're doing. So I think the cynic here is

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01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:11,960
Speaker 1: inside the Oval office, and it is it is. Again,

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01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:15,680
Speaker 1: they're doing a poor job of implementing an idea that

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01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:19,760
Speaker 1: the public generally approves of deporting those who aren't here

1589
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:22,720
Speaker 1: that public generally approves of. But how they've done it.

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01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:26,200
Speaker 1: The public doesn't like right, they do like due process,

1591
01:27:26,280 --> 01:27:29,559
Speaker 1: they don't like snatching people off the street with masked men.

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01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:34,760
Speaker 1: So how he implements these things, bringing manufacturing back to

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01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:37,759
Speaker 1: America and using tariffs as a tool to do it, sure,

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01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:40,599
Speaker 1: doing it as willy nilly as he's done it. He's

1595
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:43,960
Speaker 1: allowed China to eat our lunch. I mean, my goodness,

1596
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 1: how China has outmaneuvered Trump every step of the way

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01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:53,640
Speaker 1: on this trade deal. It is. It should be humiliating,

1598
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:57,719
Speaker 1: and you know, but but Donald Trump. One thing Donald

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01:27:57,760 --> 01:28:00,320
Speaker 1: Trump does pretty well is never admit a mistake and

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01:28:00,360 --> 01:28:03,719
Speaker 1: never admit he's losing. But my goodness, if the Chinese

1601
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:08,759
Speaker 1: really just eaten our lunch on this deal. Every whatever

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01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:14,160
Speaker 1: leverage Trump had, he's handed gotten rid of left and right,

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01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:19,599
Speaker 1: but particularly with the Chinese. So here he is with

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01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:24,000
Speaker 1: a with a fascinating idea, probably borrowed from Bannon, to

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01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:26,719
Speaker 1: raise taxes on the uber rich in order to pay

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01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:30,320
Speaker 1: for uh. No taxes on tips or no taxes on

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01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:33,639
Speaker 1: social security, So essentially tax the rich who aren't voting

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01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:37,720
Speaker 1: for him these days, and give the benefits to his

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01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:42,040
Speaker 1: working class supporters. You know, that's chicken in every pot.

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01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:47,240
Speaker 1: That's populist politics. That's how you practice populism. He preaches

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01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:53,360
Speaker 1: populism really well, he practices populism really poorly. All right

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01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:57,960
Speaker 1: with that, I'm really I'm leaving you here on a Thursday,

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01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:03,920
Speaker 1: a little nervous about these protests this weekend and how

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01:29:04,240 --> 01:29:06,920
Speaker 1: this administration is going to react to him. He has

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01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:10,080
Speaker 1: been sort of like waving a red flag in front

1616
01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:12,840
Speaker 1: of a bull by threatening protesters if they come and

1617
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:16,880
Speaker 1: protest his birthday party, celebration or anything like that, and

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01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:19,400
Speaker 1: I think he is I think it's waving a red

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01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:22,120
Speaker 1: flag in front of a bull. I hope I'm wrong,

1620
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:26,040
Speaker 1: because I don't think you know, we don't need the

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01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:34,600
Speaker 1: country falling into civil unrest. But I am concerned that

1622
01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:38,559
Speaker 1: this president has created the conditions where that is. That

1623
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:41,840
Speaker 1: possibility is much higher today than it was.

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Speaker 2: A week ago.

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Speaker 1: So with that, I hope you have a happy Father's Day,

1626
01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:52,880
Speaker 1: and I hope you still have time. Don't forget, and

1627
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:57,719
Speaker 1: the best Father's Day gifts are not ties or anything

1628
01:29:57,800 --> 01:30:05,160
Speaker 1: like that. It's time, especially you young adult children with

1629
01:30:05,720 --> 01:30:10,519
Speaker 1: middle aged and older fathers, just having some time that

1630
01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:13,960
Speaker 1: that's the best gift of all. So with that, I

1631
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Speaker 1: will talk to you hopefully on Monday, if not before then,

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Speaker 1: and until then until we upload again.

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