Speaker 1: Money. We are thank take Vali. We are the authority
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Speaker 1: For a week on oh R and b y oh
Speaker 1: Man were talking all long jevity, yeah oh man, nigga
Speaker 1: and being here for a long time, a long time,
Speaker 1: long long, long long time. Should have been out a
Speaker 1: long time ago back in Africa. Ye, this boy sang
Speaker 1: it eat he write it. Bucking niked to this this goes,
Speaker 1: he goes. He danced it and then he get on
Speaker 1: the screen and he acted, Okay, yeah, this boy always
Speaker 1: has a fresh hairline, doesn't studying it for years working
Speaker 1: on mine. Giving up. Brother, I'm glad to be here. Bro,
Speaker 1: I mean your family, so you know it's good to
Speaker 1: see you. Thank you for being here with us. Then, um,
Speaker 1: I want to go into a story. Kick right off.
Speaker 1: I just started doing R and B music, not singing
Speaker 1: it but producing it and writing it. Um for um
Speaker 1: my ex wife sisters. Um. They had a little girls
Speaker 1: crew and it's three them sing sing They tails off, right,
Speaker 1: And so I was like, okay, I'll try, you can
Speaker 1: try to produce a little R and B and I
Speaker 1: used to do little Rmby music for him. And their
Speaker 1: manager at the time was a guy named that that
Speaker 1: is Edwards, who was like you know roal manager at
Speaker 1: first Winning Fire Ussher like you know, big guy, right,
Speaker 1: So he was like, I got an opportunity for the
Speaker 1: girls to open for Immature, right, so at the Baltimore Arena. Right.
Speaker 1: So at this time, I'm like, Okay, that'll be cool.
Speaker 1: Open up Immature. That's gonna be straight. I had heard
Speaker 1: of you guys, but you know, I'm a church kid.
Speaker 1: I'm you know, church musician. You know who. I got
Speaker 1: all that. I got all this stuff with me. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, whelujah, I got all that with me.
Speaker 1: I had no more different. So they're like Immateur. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they cool, you know straight. You know I'm saying, be
Speaker 1: good opportunity for girls. Good opportunity for girls. So I
Speaker 1: make my little show track for the girls so they
Speaker 1: could perform, and they do some original stuff and then
Speaker 1: they do the s w V color like all good stuff, right,
Speaker 1: and so you know they opened, they do they do
Speaker 1: awesome because you know, we're from Maryland. And then one
Speaker 1: of one of the one of the little girls fallon.
Speaker 1: She was actually from Baltimore. So they got mad love,
Speaker 1: major love, right and so um at this point, they're
Speaker 1: singing in front of the curtain. Yeah right, because you know,
Speaker 1: I had never done an R and B show. I've
Speaker 1: never done a big show like that, so I didn't
Speaker 1: know what that untail. I don't know why that was,
Speaker 1: but I knew that there was a curtain right there,
Speaker 1: and then they had space to do that and it
Speaker 1: was the major Yeah, I didn't know, but but I
Speaker 1: was happy that they had the spaces they had, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I wonder what's behind the curtain anyway,
Speaker 1: So they performed and I'm like, all right, well let's
Speaker 1: get out of here. Girls, good job, and they're like,
Speaker 1: you don't want to stay for immature? One of them.
Speaker 1: I was talking to one of the band members and
Speaker 1: he was like, man, that's a quid school little track,
Speaker 1: you man track, just things I did. You know, I
Speaker 1: work in churches here, local churches, you know, pretty big
Speaker 1: in the church circuit. Church game. Yeah, you know, they
Speaker 1: mean appreciate what you guys gonna do your stuff out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna do a little something. You like Immature?
Speaker 1: Is that I don't really know the guys, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, I'm kind of into some different stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, John P. K. Kimbarel, those people, you know,
Speaker 1: those people. I'm being a few full port ers, right right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's what we all areas like that. And so
Speaker 1: like one of our biggest markets, they love but they
Speaker 1: do it. So that was one of our biggest I
Speaker 1: was there, Yeah, that sold out? Yeah? Absolutely, um, And
Speaker 1: so we're trying to leave and it guess it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's so much commotion in that in that back parking area.
Speaker 1: We're blocked in. So we're like, who's blocking us in?
Speaker 1: It's a sold out concert, ain't no telling who's blocking this? Yeah,
Speaker 1: So we literally they're they're trying to fare out who's
Speaker 1: blocking us in? At this time We're like, all right,
Speaker 1: well we'll just you know, might as well just watch
Speaker 1: the show while we're sitting here blocked in. Oh what
Speaker 1: have you? And and the intro starts hmm and was
Speaker 1: I think the first song was the first song? All right?
Speaker 1: The girl was that? Was that? Was that a thing?
Speaker 1: All right? Love is groove, love his groove? That was
Speaker 1: that the first one? Yeah, the first song of the
Speaker 1: first song, I think we intro with Yeah, that's crazy,
Speaker 1: he still remembers, and listen. I'm sitting there and I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm listening to the intro. I'm like, oh, that's big,
Speaker 1: that's a big intro. Start getting crazy. I'm looking at
Speaker 1: the musicians like, yeah, why is this sounded? And then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, booze explosion, the curtain falls. Three
Speaker 1: these three niggas come running out. The crowd is going crazy.
Speaker 1: Nise niggas do niggas just stepping this niggas singing. I'm like,
Speaker 1: these little niggas is awesome. These little Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know their songs, but I'm sitting here like this. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember. And at the time, I had a gospel group,
Speaker 1: one of the biggest gospel groups like in that area. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I was watching y'all perform and sing and dance
Speaker 1: and your showmanship, and it was so cold that I
Speaker 1: was like, as good as we can sing, as important
Speaker 1: as our message is, because we were a gospel we couldn't.
Speaker 1: We would we would never be able to follow you.
Speaker 1: We would never. And I said, guys, I went back
Speaker 1: to my guy. I said, guys, I just saw immature
Speaker 1: and They're like, you don't get it, you don't get it.
Speaker 1: We have to change this up. Yeah, we gotta, like
Speaker 1: our entertainment value has to go up, Like we have
Speaker 1: a great message. Why can't we talk about Jesus the
Speaker 1: way they're talking about what they're talking about. I can't
Speaker 1: our showmanship or our sound. Why can't it be like
Speaker 1: that for Jesus? You you because we was you can't
Speaker 1: you think don't know about the Pelvicts thrust. You don't
Speaker 1: think that God invented the pelvits to be able to
Speaker 1: thrust and that he would get the glory in that
Speaker 1: in some way shape before. Yeah, let's get to it, huh.
Speaker 1: And they looked at me like I was crazy. It
Speaker 1: was like this. It was like, that's the flesh talking.
Speaker 1: It's not the flesh. So but you got you kicked
Speaker 1: out the out of the group. Look whoever. We tried
Speaker 1: it and then it did. I had dancers tracks, everything
Speaker 1: we tried. You know, that was you know, that was
Speaker 1: a blessing in disguise because now you know, well, at
Speaker 1: the time, I'm like, you guys, don't see it what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do. And guess what happened? So you know,
Speaker 1: I think I feel like I kicked them out of
Speaker 1: the group, but it was just me who was not
Speaker 1: in the group. No more so, maybe I gotta whoever,
Speaker 1: whoever's the group. We're practicing it tomorrow. I'll see you there.
Speaker 1: It was the only one in practice. So yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: it just a mutual It was a mutual decision, we'll
Speaker 1: call it. It wasn't. I saw I was solo there
Speaker 1: on my own, but that pushed me to the flesh
Speaker 1: want to be. It pushed my flesh, flesh, It pushed
Speaker 1: my flesh one. But guess what, as I'm saying, I
Speaker 1: wanted to do all of that when we talked about
Speaker 1: this before. Then all of a sudden, here comes Kirk Cranklin. Yes,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I told you. I told you because
Speaker 1: I was a GP fane. I said, I told you
Speaker 1: that the Lord deserves that. You know, it's entertainment. You
Speaker 1: guys pushed me to that. You guys pushed me to
Speaker 1: develop in that way, to be entertaining. And then I
Speaker 1: went and bought your music. They started listening to your songs,
Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, first of all, I feel
Speaker 1: like they're adult. They're adults, they're midgets. Because where the
Speaker 1: little people. The little people because people because because those
Speaker 1: were grown records, you hadn't no business that's singing those
Speaker 1: records because those were sexy records. You you know what
Speaker 1: it is. It was crazy because when we um, when
Speaker 1: we started as immature, we were signed virgin records were
Speaker 1: like eight nine years old. We had the crazy hands
Speaker 1: that that was. That was the flop. You know, we
Speaker 1: had the kid half pint. Hold on, hold on, okay,
Speaker 1: because I like where you're at, go back before that
Speaker 1: to even how you get there? How do you get
Speaker 1: to being signed eight or nine years So here's here's
Speaker 1: exactly what happened. I did a talent show um at
Speaker 1: my school, and um, you know Chris was looking for
Speaker 1: a group to like kind of mirror ABC. So you
Speaker 1: know he was he had produced for like BBD. He
Speaker 1: was friends with new editions and stuff like that. He
Speaker 1: can't because you know, Chris came up in the in
Speaker 1: the entertainment business. So Chris Stokes, he was he was
Speaker 1: saying he wanted to do a group kind of like ABC,
Speaker 1: Jackson five, that whole thing. So he found me at
Speaker 1: my talent show. He had already had wrong and um,
Speaker 1: we were looking for another member. We went through like
Speaker 1: a couple of other members or whatever didn't work, and
Speaker 1: I had um half punt. The little Asian kid that
Speaker 1: was in the group. He went to school with me.
Speaker 1: So I was like, you know, I got got a kid,
Speaker 1: you know, one of my boys, you know, went to
Speaker 1: go to school and me. We put him in the group,
Speaker 1: put him in the group, and I met My dad
Speaker 1: took me to meet at Chris's studio. So I was
Speaker 1: a huge ABC fan. Another backgrader. You couldn't tell me
Speaker 1: nothing about ABC. So I went got a bucket hat.
Speaker 1: I told my dad like, I gotta, you know, dress
Speaker 1: like ABC. This is my chest. I actually I don't
Speaker 1: know why he was. I was a kid. I thought
Speaker 1: I was gonna be in ABC. So I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be in ABC. This is my chance. So I
Speaker 1: went get a bucket hat, got the mismatch shoes and
Speaker 1: the backwards overalls. Met with Chris is the studio. He
Speaker 1: asked me, you know, can you sing him? Like NA,
Speaker 1: not really, but I could dance though, busting my dance moves,
Speaker 1: did a little bit of singing, but I wasn't really
Speaker 1: that good. And he was like, okay, you know, he
Speaker 1: talked to my daddy. He was, I can put together
Speaker 1: the group. Whatever, fast forward, I'm in the group. We immature,
Speaker 1: cut to we signed in Virgin Records. How do you
Speaker 1: just get signed? It was just his relationship was, yeah,
Speaker 1: Chris relationships with with the Darryl Sudden. He was over
Speaker 1: at Virgin Records at the time. He signed as the
Speaker 1: Virgin and it didn't work. You know, we tried a lot.
Speaker 1: We did. I did the movie Baba's Kids because Chris
Speaker 1: was actually friends with the casting director Ailie Knight got
Speaker 1: me the job or got me the audition and playing
Speaker 1: like the main baby kid. Yeah. I was so that
Speaker 1: that that with, you know crazy that along with we
Speaker 1: did a soundtrack to Baba's Kids and then Jamae Dupre
Speaker 1: We worked with Jamae Dupre uh and you know, we
Speaker 1: got to do all these things, but it just didn't work.
Speaker 1: First album didn't work. That's why I call. I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's the flop album. And what happened is we we
Speaker 1: lost our deal with Virgin and then Chris believed in
Speaker 1: us and half point his parents were like, you know,
Speaker 1: well we're used to him being in school seven or
Speaker 1: six days a week, in the Philippines. That is how
Speaker 1: they do it. So they were like, you know, they
Speaker 1: wrote us a letter, or wrote Chris. The letter was like,
Speaker 1: if he can't do a school six days a week,
Speaker 1: actually go to school, he can't be in the group.
Speaker 1: So of course we had to take him out of
Speaker 1: the group. And that's where we found. I always wanted
Speaker 1: how how y'all lost the Asian niggas yep, because the
Speaker 1: Asian Hey listen, I'm black Asian. That's what happened. They
Speaker 1: were like, you know, they wanted him to go to school.
Speaker 1: It was like, we don't want him to be you know,
Speaker 1: if he can't make six days a week in public school,
Speaker 1: and we like that, you can't do my protitutor. So
Speaker 1: they took him out. And I'm like, well, my neighbor
Speaker 1: the right down the street from me can play the drums,
Speaker 1: and that was Ldbow and we put Kelton. He was
Speaker 1: he was a drummer. It actually in our band because
Speaker 1: we had a kid band and we had like the
Speaker 1: whole immature the Virgin Records day. It was like big,
Speaker 1: we get our cells. He was in the band. He
Speaker 1: was he was the bass player or no, no, he
Speaker 1: was the guitar player. RAYJ was the bass player. Who
Speaker 1: was ray J was a bass player. Brandy was the
Speaker 1: background singer. Ray J is always gonna find his way
Speaker 1: into the story. Was the background singer. What we break
Speaker 1: that down one the time? So so we get this
Speaker 1: right in the immature band and the immature band and
Speaker 1: that was the guitar player. Ty's dad was the orchestrator.
Speaker 1: He was the production manager of all of it. Okay,
Speaker 1: he did all the like band stuff. Ray J was
Speaker 1: the bass player. He didn't play bass though, I don't
Speaker 1: think definitely was the gimbick and he would he would
Speaker 1: we we would perform and we would be like ray
Speaker 1: J on the bass and he would hit this note
Speaker 1: and he would like and he would do this run
Speaker 1: like yeah yeah something like that. That was his moment,
Speaker 1: and Brandy would do her thing. So Brandy was a
Speaker 1: background vocalist. Ray J was the bass player. Ty Doller
Speaker 1: was a guitar player, and Kelton was the drummer. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So then when when uh, but kell would always get
Speaker 1: in the front of the pictures and he would like,
Speaker 1: you know, you could tell you when to be in
Speaker 1: the group. So I was like, you know, Kelt just
Speaker 1: naturally step into to place. And then Chris put his
Speaker 1: money together and recorded a whole album on us. And
Speaker 1: that's the album the I Don't mind Never Lie all
Speaker 1: those yea, And we took it to Arnie Singleton an
Speaker 1: NCA and we got signed and shout out to Arnie Singles.
Speaker 1: Come on man, come on man, what year is this?
Speaker 1: This is ninety two? I think I was twelve? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: what was the was was was? I don't what was
Speaker 1: the first single? First single was never Lied? Never Never Lied? One?
Speaker 1: YOUNI is in like a tree or so Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was a tree with the like a tree. I remember
Speaker 1: it was recording song christ you gotta give me more feeling,
Speaker 1: you gotta give you more feeling. At that point, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what I don't. Yeah, but record even
Speaker 1: the grown record a lot of you again, this is
Speaker 1: line of twelve right the girls, so you do it twic.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't know a lot of girls yet
Speaker 1: I was still telling the truth in his army. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I ain't. Wasn't for the color, wasn't How did they know?
Speaker 1: How did they do they know? Them? Not lying anymore?
Speaker 1: And yeah, like literally going from like us trying all
Speaker 1: this stuff and not really being successful and it never
Speaker 1: lie hits and we played it and the we we
Speaker 1: debuted in DC WPGC, Washington, DC, and it lit up,
Speaker 1: blew up, and from there it was just it was pandemonium, pandemonium.
Speaker 1: And so at this point you're Batman. Yeah, yeah, why
Speaker 1: are you Batman? Well there's another story to that. I
Speaker 1: got stories great, so I used to, Right, So we
Speaker 1: went to convention BR. So we went to the BR
Speaker 1: you conventioned this is the Virsion days. And I'm in
Speaker 1: the hotel room and you know, our image was wild,
Speaker 1: we had like you know, before a TLC. It was us.
Speaker 1: We was wild and crazy all this like crazy big
Speaker 1: hats and stuff like that. So I'm in the room
Speaker 1: and play. I'm getting dressed and I put on my
Speaker 1: beatie right, and you know, I had my uh my
Speaker 1: pair of Batman draws. I used to love Batman draws.
Speaker 1: The Batman was my favorite superhero. Don't ask me why
Speaker 1: I had my Batman draws and why I put them
Speaker 1: over my beattie, but I did. I'm like this is
Speaker 1: this would be just crazy, you know, over my Beatie
Speaker 1: playing in the room like hi, Hi, We go out
Speaker 1: and it was like everybody was like looking that we
Speaker 1: had caught a lot of attention because we was little
Speaker 1: kids and I got Batman underwear in my head and
Speaker 1: they're like, hey, you know, what's your name? And I'll
Speaker 1: just be like Batman. That's how I started. I don't
Speaker 1: ask me why I did it. I don't know why
Speaker 1: I referred to the draws as my name, but I
Speaker 1: was being funny. But it worked. Batman was great. It
Speaker 1: was that's when that was the beginning of the Batman. Okay,
Speaker 1: so what what's the first major show you do where
Speaker 1: you see the effects of um, I will never lie.
Speaker 1: It was Constitution Hall watching the Boy talking to Right Talk. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we sold our show. Who I was on it? I
Speaker 1: don't even remember the opening act. I know we did
Speaker 1: a tour and we had Usher as an opening act
Speaker 1: on one of our tours. We had Drew Hill as
Speaker 1: an over and act on one of our tours. Monica
Speaker 1: like all these these people that are just huge because
Speaker 1: if you were if you were either a teenage our
Speaker 1: young kid act, you had to go yeah, and if
Speaker 1: you mean because you knew that's where all the kids
Speaker 1: were going to be. All the Kids was going to
Speaker 1: be so and we did Constitution Hall and the level
Speaker 1: of it was just crazy, like people was fainting and
Speaker 1: it was just like I remember when we when we
Speaker 1: were in Immature, the first when I was like nineteen,
Speaker 1: we first got in the Mature and when we're going
Speaker 1: to the grocery store. I grew up in the hood,
Speaker 1: you know, Baldwin Hills, Crisshaw applies that I was like
Speaker 1: my hangout spot. I would go over there like whatever.
Speaker 1: So I went. I would go to the grocery store
Speaker 1: and I was like, I wonder if I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: noticed today? Never got noticed that whole time. I would
Speaker 1: go to the grocery store and I'm just like, wait on.
Speaker 1: I would wait like for somebody to be like can
Speaker 1: the autographs? I'm just like looking like, yeah, never happened,
Speaker 1: you know? If do you know? But after Never Lie
Speaker 1: came out, after that album, I couldn't go nowhere. So
Speaker 1: did y'all ever because I know you wanted to be
Speaker 1: in a group, did y'all ever get to perform with ABC? No?
Speaker 1: We actually had beef with ABC. Oh Man. So the
Speaker 1: thing was because we worked with Jermaine and the whole
Speaker 1: criss Cross. Yeah, yeah, it was. It was like you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, It was natural. So then we
Speaker 1: did we did a video tear it up for the
Speaker 1: baby ass kids, and we tore up the mental side
Speaker 1: because I think BIV and everything BBD and yeah that
Speaker 1: was like yeah mental right, So we was that was
Speaker 1: those like our big brothers, Chris Cross. We was close
Speaker 1: to Chris Cross because Jermaine or whatever. So because of that,
Speaker 1: I think ABC didn't really like us. So yeah, we chose.
Speaker 1: So we did this thing and I remember were kids
Speaker 1: and ABC was they was bad, like there was another
Speaker 1: bad creation was not just their name like they were.
Speaker 1: They really wanted to smoke. So now we do this
Speaker 1: little function somewhere and they banging on us, like we
Speaker 1: walked to the car and they're like we was like what, Oh,
Speaker 1: I got Batman's draws on my baby broo. After Playground,
Speaker 1: I did the playground and the show play grab come
Speaker 1: on it. So we just never you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: We never connected with ABC, so you know, it never
Speaker 1: got to do that show that did show that would
Speaker 1: have been a crazy showmagine it would have been ABC
Speaker 1: Immature and Chris Criss Cross. Yeah, you know that could
Speaker 1: have sold out. They had a meeting with us to
Speaker 1: be on SIS when they were doing a pilot, but
Speaker 1: it didn't work out. So they were like, you know what,
Speaker 1: it doesn't work for the whole group to be on
Speaker 1: the show, but we want him to read for the
Speaker 1: role of Roger. Made it all the way to UM
Speaker 1: Network and I got the role of Roger. And then
Speaker 1: I seen Darlene. She on my way into the audition.
Speaker 1: She was like, I put in a good word for you,
Speaker 1: so you know, yeah, so I think she might have
Speaker 1: put in a good work. Yeah, I hope she did.
Speaker 1: I don't know she did that, but you know, Darlene,
Speaker 1: thank you if you did put in a good work.
Speaker 1: I ended up being Roger. How many seasons? I did
Speaker 1: four seasons and then I left the show, okay, because
Speaker 1: I just didn't want to be uh you know. It
Speaker 1: was it was difficult to to to be here with
Speaker 1: this huge, successful group and we're running things with the
Speaker 1: ladies and and this and that, and then I have
Speaker 1: to come get this to set and be Roger. It
Speaker 1: was mentally it was just kind of it was like
Speaker 1: I really got yeah, I mean, but I mean, me
Speaker 1: and Tia had a little a little something you know,
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, you know, but uh, I just felt
Speaker 1: like I didn't want to be old and be Roger,
Speaker 1: Like I didn't want to be like Jalil White was
Speaker 1: what I felt like, you know. I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't want to get to a point where I'm eighteen
Speaker 1: nineteen and I'm still playing Roger. And then I went
Speaker 1: to the executives and I was like, you know, do
Speaker 1: you mind writing me to be a little bit cooler.
Speaker 1: So then one one season that like they had the
Speaker 1: cool Roger and it didn't end up, it didn't really work,
Speaker 1: and it was just like it was just too much
Speaker 1: with that kind of how with with family matters. Jalil
Speaker 1: went in and wrote step yeah exactly, and I wanted
Speaker 1: to do that, but it just didn't work with such
Speaker 1: a just couldn't work out, you know. So it was
Speaker 1: just like I left the show because I didn't want
Speaker 1: to keep I didn't want people to remember that and
Speaker 1: I know where I was going musically. That's what I
Speaker 1: wanted first. That was my first love and that's what
Speaker 1: I wanted to do, and I felt like it was
Speaker 1: getting in the way of my music. So now you're
Speaker 1: back immature, full time, YEP, and what's the movement? We
Speaker 1: did another album, it's a big album, and then we
Speaker 1: kind of got stuck in that you know, adolescence age
Speaker 1: where it was like my voice was weird, it was changing,
Speaker 1: and you know, we were kind of like growing up.
Speaker 1: But then we were like, you know, didn't wasn't really
Speaker 1: kids no more. So it's not like the wow factor
Speaker 1: being oh, these kids are talented. Now they're teenagers and
Speaker 1: it's kind of like what are y'all gonna do now?
Speaker 1: So that album didn't really do well Journey and it's like,
Speaker 1: we want to kind of do something different. We want
Speaker 1: to change the name, and I thought, I think that
Speaker 1: might have been a mistake because Immature was the brand,
Speaker 1: and we didn't realize that the name Immature was the brand.
Speaker 1: It's like boys two men, you know, and we changed
Speaker 1: the name to IMAX. They came in the whole MCA stabbing. Okay,
Speaker 1: we love Imax. You know, we thought about like I'm
Speaker 1: mature or this and that, but you know, it changed
Speaker 1: the Imax and then we put out State to Night,
Speaker 1: so we kind of crossed. That was our first time
Speaker 1: really crossing other than never lie crossing into like you know,
Speaker 1: crossover crossover pop. That was a huge pop single State
Speaker 1: to Night and it was working. So it was like, okay,
Speaker 1: we we we weathered the storm, we figured it out.
Speaker 1: We figured it out. Gold single, you know, did really good,
Speaker 1: were crossing over. The whole label gets fired, everybody, everybody
Speaker 1: gets canned, our album gets put on the shelf. No
Speaker 1: more singles, and we ended up leaving MCA at that point,
Speaker 1: and then we did another independent album. That's when we
Speaker 1: did House Party four. Then it did another independent album
Speaker 1: which was uh we did. We came up with the
Speaker 1: first time I'm not gonna I'm not gonna let you
Speaker 1: breeze over house Party for though. House Party four no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm saying house Party for it was a classic. You know,
Speaker 1: it's fucking classic. And Bernie Mack Yeah, that's Tucker. No,
Speaker 1: that's three. No no, no, when Burnie back Chris Tucker,
Speaker 1: that's three. So that was three. Yeah, yeah, that was
Speaker 1: you had already done three. We had already done three, yeah,
Speaker 1: because three was like when we were still virgin days. Okay,
Speaker 1: oh wow, okay, so that was before because it threw
Speaker 1: me successful back to it Asian nigga in House Party. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a house party. Yeah yeah, yeah, same time, man time, Man,
Speaker 1: I don't know you. And what was the sexiest a weapon? Sex?
Speaker 1: Sex is a west sex is a weapon. Yeah. So yeah,
Speaker 1: House Party three was before we actually no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you niggas actually went and made your own house party
Speaker 1: at our part. Yeah. Now it's now clear. Hell yeah,
Speaker 1: it took the movie. Yeah, so we just you know,
Speaker 1: and we were signing. New Line Records came out with
Speaker 1: a couple of records, and that did where we're like
Speaker 1: as a new line. Simitar had a record label, Ye Records.
Speaker 1: So that's how y'all was able to negotiate the movie. Yep.
Speaker 1: So New Line Records put out put out. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: y'a I've been doing business. Yeah yeah. That was the
Speaker 1: beginning era of B two K. That's where they started
Speaker 1: coming into the to the picture. So what most people
Speaker 1: don't realize you were a part of the label. Yeah, like, yes,
Speaker 1: you were Marcus Houston Batman from Immature in Imax, but
Speaker 1: you were also an executive. Yes, you were instrumental in
Speaker 1: discovering as put together, putting together projects and this whole
Speaker 1: thing at what eighteen nineteen years Yeah, about we produced,
Speaker 1: we had our our producing team platinum status. We produced
Speaker 1: all of B two k's music. You know, we had
Speaker 1: a couple acts that, you know, we produced on Destiny
Speaker 1: Child like it was we were going into that, you know,
Speaker 1: going into the production aspect of things, and we put
Speaker 1: B two K together. They were kind of like, you know,
Speaker 1: they were actually and we did a song called Clap
Speaker 1: your Hands for the soundtrack of House Party and they
Speaker 1: were in the video that was like, they're like introduction, introduction.
Speaker 1: So we put them out. They took off so fast
Speaker 1: it wasn't even funny. So I remember so immature we were.
Speaker 1: We were the King's right. We were like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's smature. I MX. Now you know, we're going on tour,
Speaker 1: big guys, We're going tour B two K. The first show,
Speaker 1: it's our tour, right first night they performed and shut
Speaker 1: it down. We were last. We tried to go, We tried,
Speaker 1: we tried to go, We tried, we tried to go last.
Speaker 1: And that was the last night that we went last.
Speaker 1: The first night, the first night turned into the B
Speaker 1: two K tour. They completely took up. We was just
Speaker 1: like just kill y'all, scream y'all, y'all do down screaming.
Speaker 1: Hell y'all screamed out, yea, I was Enjodan on the Wizards.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so yeah, they're going on and it took
Speaker 1: over that whole you know, so we had to But
Speaker 1: we businessman, you know, hell yeah, we own it. So
Speaker 1: the bigger you guys are great, you know, so we
Speaker 1: went with it. That's the I think that's the other
Speaker 1: part about your you guys dynamic and network that people
Speaker 1: don't really pay attention to, right because everything you guys
Speaker 1: do is in house. Yeah, literally everything everything everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like at one point Kelton was the road manager. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for was wrong, was wrong? No, DJ, I don't gonna
Speaker 1: get nobody else. I was like, you know what, listen,
Speaker 1: that's what I was at Motown. I'm like, waiting, it's cool,
Speaker 1: but this is how we're gonna keep the bread. That's right,
Speaker 1: turning and circulate. Yeah, you are now a role man. Okay,
Speaker 1: you assist man the exactly game and everybody was like
Speaker 1: this cool, let's work. Yeah. I remember I was Max
Speaker 1: Goose come to a photoshoot b twok was having a
Speaker 1: photo shooting. I was ironing their clothes and Max looks
Speaker 1: at me like, what are you doing? So I'm learning
Speaker 1: the clothes. What do you think I'm doing? This? These
Speaker 1: these boys is about to be huge? You know, I'm
Speaker 1: this is this is this is my group. What do
Speaker 1: you expect me to do? And he was so appalled
Speaker 1: by that, and he was like, but you're you know,
Speaker 1: you're I'm like, that doesn't matter, you know because at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, you know, we all knew
Speaker 1: what a B two game was gonna be. So it
Speaker 1: was just like everybody hands on deck. I mean, you
Speaker 1: can either you can either watch the train just go
Speaker 1: on without you, or you can jump on a tram.
Speaker 1: Part of it. It's just being of service, bro. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's always a way to be a part, to play
Speaker 1: your part. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, checking your
Speaker 1: ego at I listen, I will do anything when it
Speaker 1: comes to music. Yeah, just what y'all need to keep
Speaker 1: no problem when you passionate about something, that's it. But
Speaker 1: the way you guys set your business up at whatever
Speaker 1: high or whatever low you were in that you were
Speaker 1: figuring out a way to keep you in it and
Speaker 1: keep money in little pocket that keep you growing, keep
Speaker 1: you evolving. So now that shoot, probably by twenty years old,
Speaker 1: you know every facet of the business, every every facet everything.
Speaker 1: I mean, I could do it all. It was very
Speaker 1: much like the Winds. Yeah, absolutely absolutely, always a grip
Speaker 1: with that same last name, producer. Beware it's gonna be away.
Speaker 1: And we we me and me and uh because Drell's
Speaker 1: my cousin, Jay Buck, He's that with blood cousin, so
Speaker 1: we we Uh he works, he still works with our
Speaker 1: company and everything. So we've another day. And we were saying,
Speaker 1: like how we was like the Wayne's like coming up.
Speaker 1: We was like them, you know, to the ways of music. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know that's kind of like what we were. And
Speaker 1: people hated that. You know, people would always hate you know,
Speaker 1: people always be you know, in their ears saying oh ye'all,
Speaker 1: do you know what I'm saying? People hate person. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they love to hate what they don't understand, you know,
Speaker 1: and they want to break it up. And I felt
Speaker 1: like that us be two k that whole powerhouse could
Speaker 1: have been so much bigger. Have they not broken up? Definitely?
Speaker 1: So well. I mean we still have to get to
Speaker 1: a classic classic film. We can get to that classic film,
Speaker 1: can we can? We I got a funny ass story too,
Speaker 1: Can we got a funny you Got served? Can you
Speaker 1: Got served? As story? You go first? Please? So you
Speaker 1: got served? Please? This time I have a production partner.
Speaker 1: His name is Wade Robson. Oh being Way didn't sync together, right.
Speaker 1: So he's like, I'm a part of a movie, but
Speaker 1: I'm not part of a movie, right, So I'm like, what, okay? Right?
Speaker 1: So yeah, you get this side of it, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So at the time, Wade was trying to get in
Speaker 1: film and television stuff, and I guess he had met
Speaker 1: some high level executive whoever whoever, the guy who green
Speaker 1: lit the movie randomly, and when they introduce him to Wade,
Speaker 1: he's like, you know that somebody else introduce him. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, this is Way Robson and he goes, oh wait,
Speaker 1: you're in my movie, and Way goes I Am. So
Speaker 1: him and him, an executive, had the conversation. He don't
Speaker 1: he don't really know what he's talking about. But he's like, listen,
Speaker 1: this is the head of a movie studio. If he
Speaker 1: says I'm in this movie, I'm in this damn movie. Right.
Speaker 1: So he's like, but I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to figure out how to ask what
Speaker 1: the movie it is? What out put it on? I
Speaker 1: don't know what movie talking about. So two sides of
Speaker 1: you got served. Let's let's just go to you. First
Speaker 1: of all, thank you, because yeah that movie. So so
Speaker 1: how that started is he started writing scripts long time ago.
Speaker 1: House Party was this first movie that he'd actually directed.
Speaker 1: He was like, I directed all these music videos. I
Speaker 1: want to direct House Party for it when we did
Speaker 1: on our own. So yeah, we stole that give album. Yeah,
Speaker 1: y'all give us that movie. So um. He wrote a
Speaker 1: movie called Dance that was for Aliyah, Dave Scott and Genuine,
Speaker 1: which is why my name is Elgin's name Dave and
Speaker 1: why Jennifer's name is Lea Wow. And the opposing team
Speaker 1: was Wade and Max, so it was actually for Waye Robson.
Speaker 1: Wade choreographed our videos. Way but we did a Good
Speaker 1: Burger soundtrack. I was in the movie Good Burger. We
Speaker 1: did a Good Burger soundtrack Washing Dogs Childhood, so way
Speaker 1: without knowing you, yeah, Wade choreographed our video. He was
Speaker 1: our choreographer. Dave Scott, who choreographed B two K, was
Speaker 1: also our choreographer. So that's wh wrote the movie dance
Speaker 1: for Cut to seventy that didn't happen. I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, he reached out to gen u Y and
Speaker 1: way it didn't happen. Cut to seven years later. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, b TWOK was with Sony Records, and Sony
Speaker 1: was like interested in doing the project. They sent him
Speaker 1: to screen Gyms, which is executive um over at screen
Speaker 1: Gyms to do the movie. They're like, we want to
Speaker 1: do the movie. I see you on the screen Gyms
Speaker 1: and start a subsidiary company that does these budgets. We're
Speaker 1: gonna make the movie happen. The executive and this is
Speaker 1: this is a story even B t K weren't aware
Speaker 1: of back in that time. So because I wasn't supposed
Speaker 1: to really be you know, the character Elgin. But the
Speaker 1: executive said he Chris showed in my video to that
Speaker 1: girl because it all a dancing. He's like, this is
Speaker 1: kind of how I want to do it. And you know,
Speaker 1: he was like, who's that? I want him to be
Speaker 1: the start of movie. So I'm like, oh, okay, cool.
Speaker 1: Right away he was like I want whoever that kid is,
Speaker 1: I want him to be starry movie. So that's how
Speaker 1: I got the role of m Elgin and then so
Speaker 1: we did it as a project with all of us
Speaker 1: B two k Omar of course chose David buz Rico.
Speaker 1: We did all the characters and everything like that. But
Speaker 1: like I said, originally that movie was for Dave scott
Speaker 1: Alia and Genuine and Wade. So we took it to
Speaker 1: Wade when we were doing it with Sony and Chris
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I want you to do this movie. Uh,
Speaker 1: you got served and played a bad guy, and I
Speaker 1: guess he didn't really want it. He didn't want to
Speaker 1: do it at that point. I don't think he was
Speaker 1: trying to act or whatever. So he turned it down.
Speaker 1: So we actually got Chris Jones with the spiky hair
Speaker 1: to be the way way this. Yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: So so that's how that character came. And then we
Speaker 1: did the movie and so they were like, okay, Sony,
Speaker 1: you guys did this subsiderate movie with these kids who
Speaker 1: cares nobody thought it was. They was like okay, so whatever.
Speaker 1: So Chris went in and said, okay, Look, he negotiated
Speaker 1: deals for all of us, for him, me and all
Speaker 1: of B two K for box office Bumps and box
Speaker 1: what a box office Bumps with people that don't know,
Speaker 1: if a movie hits a certain number, you get it.
Speaker 1: So at ten million, every ten million, he negotiated its
Speaker 1: astronomical number that we would get at ten million, and
Speaker 1: they said yes because they were like this movie yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it saw fifty so five times, five times we got paid.
Speaker 1: So it was so when it and it was, it
Speaker 1: was it was just you know, it was crazy because
Speaker 1: when the movie we went to the premiere, that's when
Speaker 1: the group broke up. We went to the premiere of
Speaker 1: me and Oh had to go to the premiere by ourselves,
Speaker 1: like the group they came with, like Bower or something
Speaker 1: like that. It was like, you know, it was two
Speaker 1: k broken up by the time the time when we
Speaker 1: came out, it was it was whacked because we had
Speaker 1: to go to the premiere and we couldn't really all
Speaker 1: enjoy the moment together. And you know, it came out
Speaker 1: and I mean just huge. No one expected an number
Speaker 1: one movie debuted like sixteen million back then. That was
Speaker 1: like crazy. How much did the movie cost? Eight million
Speaker 1: was a production budget, so the movie ends up making
Speaker 1: over fifty dollars. Wow, So we was just like it's
Speaker 1: great business. It was. It was a craziness. It was
Speaker 1: was it was, and I'm sure all of the uh
Speaker 1: all of all of the business was leaning in you guys'
Speaker 1: favorite again because there was no belief somebody believe. I
Speaker 1: think it was it was like some really big other
Speaker 1: movies that was that was coming out. Nobody knew it
Speaker 1: was going to be big, and it just it came
Speaker 1: out and was just astronomical, and it, you know, started
Speaker 1: all these other dance movies and yeah, and the Way
Speaker 1: did a cameo. Yeah, and Way ended up doing it.
Speaker 1: Came and he played a judge in what the movie? Yeah,
Speaker 1: the movie, And it was it was crazy because we
Speaker 1: uh so the final scene, the final battle scene, it
Speaker 1: was crazy because we we had rehearsed. We you know,
Speaker 1: Chris hadn't seen it yet. He's seen a couple of rehearsals,
Speaker 1: but like Dave and we all kind of got together,
Speaker 1: so we was like, okay, cool, We're about to shoot
Speaker 1: the scene or whatever. Everybody's like damn for the scene.
Speaker 1: It's like the final battle. We're like, whoa, it's about
Speaker 1: to go down. Because you know, everybody was still battling
Speaker 1: in their own right, like we was still It was
Speaker 1: a real thing. Like, even though it was scripted to
Speaker 1: who lost and who won, it was still real. So
Speaker 1: we do the final battle, Chris says cut. He walks
Speaker 1: up to us, said, Dave came here. He was like,
Speaker 1: that was horrible. That was trash. I can't end my
Speaker 1: movie with this. So he said, y'all figure something out
Speaker 1: because it has to be better than this. So we
Speaker 1: was like, oh, okay, because we thought we killed it
Speaker 1: just now. But we was like, oh, I guess, I
Speaker 1: guess it didn't work. So then a couple of dancers,
Speaker 1: you know, God, we get together. Dave gets together. He
Speaker 1: was like, all right, I'm gonna put this piece. So
Speaker 1: that ending battle ended up being real because neither side
Speaker 1: knew what we were to do. So it ended up
Speaker 1: being a real battle. And that's why I was so
Speaker 1: explosive at the end because it was that was real.
Speaker 1: So we was like even like the SlowMo party, dude
Speaker 1: came to us. He was like, all right, I got
Speaker 1: this idea I always wanted to try. And he was like,
Speaker 1: so when I do my cartwheel or I'll do my
Speaker 1: hands and I'm gonna go slow motion, and everybody just
Speaker 1: starts moving slow motion. So he told us to do
Speaker 1: that on the fly. So all of that stuff was
Speaker 1: like that was all like, you know, it wasn't really
Speaker 1: some most some of it was choreograph and most of
Speaker 1: it was like just you know us kind of like
Speaker 1: some monster dancers and all the monsters were in that everybody. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think that's what really really drove it, the
Speaker 1: the authenticity of Yeah it was because everybody everybody, because
Speaker 1: it's like your peers were like, oh no, that's that's
Speaker 1: the real thing. Yeah, things are really had absolutely naked. Okay,
Speaker 1: story time, let's good too. Oh yeah, I'm in the background. Okay,
Speaker 1: you go first. Okay, So it so we uh, I'll
Speaker 1: start with the the US. UM. I did my first
Speaker 1: solo album, So I am X. We broke up on tour,
Speaker 1: actually broke up on tour. We broke up. It was
Speaker 1: the last show in Miami, was on tour B two
Speaker 1: K and you know, the Fellas just kind of wanted to,
Speaker 1: you know, do. Kelton was more like, I just don't
Speaker 1: want to be entertained. I just I want to be regular.
Speaker 1: I want to just do regular stuff. I'm tired of
Speaker 1: the entertainment. Rome was like, you know, I don't really
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I want to more do more rap.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not really interested in like being an
Speaker 1: R and B singer anymore. I want to rape you.
Speaker 1: I'm like, don't we want to be with the R
Speaker 1: and B normal. So so it was like, you know,
Speaker 1: I was a little salty at first because I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, a year prior, I, um, you know, j
Speaker 1: D wanted to do my solo album and this was
Speaker 1: right after Imax, the New Line album, and I said no.
Speaker 1: So I was loyal to the guys. So I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't want to go solo. I was sitting in
Speaker 1: the group cut two years later like I don't want
Speaker 1: to do the group. I felt like, well, y'all can
Speaker 1: me solo album? Y'all told me that then Now I
Speaker 1: can't go back, Jamie, we can do it now anyway.
Speaker 1: So did the first album come down to the second album?
Speaker 1: First albums? Was it did well? You know it it
Speaker 1: was independent, Um no, it was on electric, but it
Speaker 1: reintroduced me as you know, uh you know solo artists.
Speaker 1: It did well, you know, it was it was good.
Speaker 1: We had clubbing that was That was a single off
Speaker 1: that album, and I did really well. Kelse you know
Speaker 1: we he had his run and I was part of
Speaker 1: that run with Clubbing. So the second album was like,
Speaker 1: all right, where where are we gonna go? So we
Speaker 1: sit down. Omari was actually in the studio with Underdogs
Speaker 1: recording with Underdogs. He had also went solo. So now
Speaker 1: there's this. I don't want to do nothing like my brother.
Speaker 1: I want him nothing like I'm aory. I want him
Speaker 1: to have his own lane and I want to have
Speaker 1: my own lane. If we do anything alike, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be like, you know what I'm saying, I don't even
Speaker 1: want that. So Chris is like, but are you sure
Speaker 1: the Underdogs are dope? You know what I'm saying. I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: I don't want to work with Underdogs only because I
Speaker 1: always working with him. It had nothing to do with
Speaker 1: the talent of the Underdogs anything like that. Loved Damon
Speaker 1: and Harvey. I don't know use over there at that point,
Speaker 1: but you know, I was like, cool, I don't want
Speaker 1: to do nothing that I'm alreadys doing. So a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks later, he comes back to me, He's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I really think that you should go in and work
Speaker 1: with them. I was just like I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'll trust you if you feel like as long as
Speaker 1: they can, you know, we can do some different stuff.
Speaker 1: I don't want nothing like oh, so I want to
Speaker 1: do some different stuff. I want to do some nasty stuff.
Speaker 1: Then so I get on the phone. I think I
Speaker 1: got on the phone with Damon and I was like,
Speaker 1: these are three titles that I want to do naked
Speaker 1: sex with you and like one other title something like that.
Speaker 1: He's like, all right, cool, I got you. So go
Speaker 1: to the studio and was it. Oh, I see the
Speaker 1: fun that's the strip club. That was the first song
Speaker 1: they played for and I recorded it, but I was like,
Speaker 1: that's I don't go to the strip club. I've been
Speaker 1: the one strip club in my life. Like, that's not me.
Speaker 1: I don't I want to be authentic. I don't go
Speaker 1: to the strip club. But it just really wasn't working
Speaker 1: for me. And then they played me the the the
Speaker 1: one yeah, and it was naked Yeah, and the tank
Speaker 1: was in his room, you know, he had a little
Speaker 1: room in there and it comes out and plays it
Speaker 1: for me, and I was like, oh, that's what I
Speaker 1: wanted to record right there. That was it, and you know,
Speaker 1: and left your vocals on there too. Listen, I don't mind. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, that's that was That's how I was. I
Speaker 1: was never gonna work without the dogs. And you know,
Speaker 1: Chris just kept convincing me, like you, I feel like
Speaker 1: this is you know what you need And it ended
Speaker 1: up being what I needed. And then you guys go
Speaker 1: on the road. Was that a screen tour? Ye? Yes,
Speaker 1: that was a screen tour. That was a screen tour.
Speaker 1: And and You're on a screen tour the box and
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I didn't know how old you were
Speaker 1: at the time. I never know how old you are.
Speaker 1: I've never I've never I felt like you've never turned
Speaker 1: an age or like somehow I've never known always been
Speaker 1: forty one. I feel like he's always been eighteen. Like
Speaker 1: just that's it. Just that's it. That's eighteen Peter Pan
Speaker 1: type shit. And so when he was going on a
Speaker 1: scream too, I was like, but how does he I
Speaker 1: understand how old he is? Yeah, I don't get it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you're going to scream tour? What city did you
Speaker 1: go to? I went to a couple of SETI I
Speaker 1: went to I of my Klan story after and uh,
Speaker 1: and I'm standing there, I'm like, oh, he's about to
Speaker 1: do naked. I wonder what he's gonna doing naked, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, I mean, it would be
Speaker 1: crazy if he got naked, but I'm sure he's like
Speaker 1: naked in front of all these kids and he's getting naked.
Speaker 1: But he threw his draws all in the crab. So yeah,
Speaker 1: we had the naked box because the video I was naked, ye,
Speaker 1: so we wanted to recreate something kind of like the
Speaker 1: video came up with the naked box with the little
Speaker 1: mate hiding whatever, and uh yeah, I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: throw the draws off, saided getting new pair of draws
Speaker 1: every uh every show through the draws off? Good did
Speaker 1: you did you go like did you go the the
Speaker 1: economical route and like go to target and grab the
Speaker 1: draws or did you like go get designer? Now we
Speaker 1: target was strowing target draws. I was stowing target draws,
Speaker 1: and and they just want I have a story. Okay,
Speaker 1: of course, just this story of this is not a
Speaker 1: good story. So I was not. So you know, when
Speaker 1: you go on tour, there's pranks. Yeah right, there's always
Speaker 1: going to be a prank. So I bought for the
Speaker 1: most part, every show I had a brand new pair
Speaker 1: of draws. But there was this one show that the
Speaker 1: draws were not brand new. Okay, so I would actually
Speaker 1: get dressed in my backstage with the rope, get dressed,
Speaker 1: put the draws on, then throw them off right, it
Speaker 1: had something else under it though obviously I wasn't button
Speaker 1: naked on stage. So the one so one day I
Speaker 1: decided to prank my dancers and prank whoever caught the draws.
Speaker 1: So I was in these draws all day and when
Speaker 1: it came to do the naked song, so I'm sweaty,
Speaker 1: just whatever, they had draws my real draws. When play
Speaker 1: the game, oh no, we was. I was all over
Speaker 1: the place before the shot. I was all over the
Speaker 1: place before the show doing everything I could possibly done,
Speaker 1: draws out. I don't even remember what city was, but
Speaker 1: I threw my real draws. So then and then my
Speaker 1: two dancers will come in and put the robe on me,
Speaker 1: so they came into surprises. Normally I would have on
Speaker 1: like the little draws under the draws. That was I
Speaker 1: was free balling. So they came in like, oh okay,
Speaker 1: you really, So whoever whoever got those draws the real
Speaker 1: real sorry, draws. I don't know then was the play.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to throw them back all bad bro.
Speaker 1: So yeah that's Oakland, give me Oakland. So Oakland. Yeah.
Speaker 1: My sister caused me and she's like, I easy to
Speaker 1: take all the kids to the screen to it all
Speaker 1: the kids said, of course, all of it. At this time,
Speaker 1: I had the City Boy Van is what we called it,
Speaker 1: because I was a name of my label, City Boys Music,
Speaker 1: and we had a van at twelve. You know, I
Speaker 1: didn't bought the full We didn't wrapped wrap on it.
Speaker 1: The whole ship, right, Me and all little girls and
Speaker 1: all my nieces and their friends the screen and we
Speaker 1: get to the show and I'm like, I want to
Speaker 1: give them the experience. So I called, oh oh, make
Speaker 1: sure we were straight with everything. Got us all the
Speaker 1: meet and greeds, got us all everything we need. These
Speaker 1: they wanted to they wanted to do it. They wanted
Speaker 1: to do it right. So we get there early, the
Speaker 1: whole ship. By getting there early, we catched the opening act.
Speaker 1: Who there were these four kids from Florida, four kids
Speaker 1: floating called pretty rick. Wow, I've never heard of them.
Speaker 1: The lights go out, the lights come back on, the
Speaker 1: lights are pointed at the stage of sheets. What the
Speaker 1: fuck the sheets start fucking the stage. Oh yeah, I'm like,
Speaker 1: what the Yeah? Pretty they had a nasty show. Them
Speaker 1: niggas jump up in their in their draw singing grind on,
Speaker 1: taking down six little girls here, five little girls there.
Speaker 1: I'm like, get your ass, make them go to the
Speaker 1: concession stand. Yeah, I got it. I got a little bit.
Speaker 1: Run run them out of the building so they can
Speaker 1: go get concession. Nigga. I'm talking about, spend four five
Speaker 1: hundred on whatever you want, all the candy and poppa whatever,
Speaker 1: whatever you want, just get it into these niggas. Get
Speaker 1: off the stage. Because and Mark, I think Mario was
Speaker 1: on that tour too. Yeah, so I got Mario performing, Um,
Speaker 1: how could you? We got a marian performing? Oh and
Speaker 1: I'm trying to so I'm like, I'm showing off to
Speaker 1: my nieces, the record, your uncles, and then we've been
Speaker 1: a part of school ship. No. Yeah, then I take
Speaker 1: them back downstairs naked box, bring your going on me?
Speaker 1: Yeah we did. I actually, um, the last last show,
Speaker 1: Michael Martin came to me and was like it was
Speaker 1: in my I think Miami. He was like, uh, if
Speaker 1: you if you if you do the naked box, you
Speaker 1: might get you might get arrested tonight. So just we
Speaker 1: wish they would arrested your ass and just just just
Speaker 1: just tell you know, so I didn't I didn't do
Speaker 1: the whole naked box. I think I kept on a
Speaker 1: tank top or something like that. I had to do
Speaker 1: something because I was like, I ain't going to jail.
Speaker 1: As you should have went to jail that Bobby Brown,
Speaker 1: you could have got right out. I would have got
Speaker 1: right out. Legend you got bill money. Yeah, I ain't
Speaker 1: gonna go to jail, not in Miami. Had photos again,
Speaker 1: I got some jail Miami get off definitely. Was it
Speaker 1: like little piano like hil piano, like a little a
Speaker 1: little plan like this? What should they saying when they
Speaker 1: get What should they say? There ain't never been no
Speaker 1: school beening on school he too was, but they he left,
Speaker 1: he left ear he ain't left. He left the group.
Speaker 1: He would have one it done. So we can get
Speaker 1: to immate your segments. Yeah, a segment time. Okay, what image?
Speaker 1: Top five? You're top five? Okay to five? Top five?
Speaker 1: Holy besy, oh man, be so I then be your
Speaker 1: then be your top top your dopp do hi hi,
Speaker 1: join in no school for that. It sounds like it
Speaker 1: sounds like the top five, like one five order, no order,
Speaker 1: no order, no order. Just today a woman? How are
Speaker 1: you feeling today? Oh? Man? A woman. They could be
Speaker 1: in a group, they could be sold. Whatever are you
Speaker 1: your world? Okay? Take my top five. Ask anybody that
Speaker 1: knows me. They'll tell you that I'm Sean Stockman. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The guys yea, why not. It's a problem right now
Speaker 1: still to this day in his full chest, I hate them,
Speaker 1: full hate them usher m h Yeah, gonna get out
Speaker 1: to Vegas. I need to Yeah yeah. Michael Jackson. Now
Speaker 1: there's no order, Yeah yeah, yeah. This is my top five. Wow, okay,
Speaker 1: feel good about yourself? Dodge Top five, Top five R
Speaker 1: and B songs. Okay, so let's seem burn Jesus. Yeah, naked, Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: come on, man, listens, gonna do come on, ship the sun,
Speaker 1: don't come on to mon, don't come on to mo.
Speaker 1: He spread the pro he's a pro, he's a professional. Naked,
Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. Walk Away, which you probably don't know.
Speaker 1: So my first album song called walk Away, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go back and listening because that was the joint that
Speaker 1: she was in love with Kenny Whitehead. Okay, walk Away
Speaker 1: first album, first Alba album. M m uh, I believe
Speaker 1: I can fly? Does that count as R and B though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: damn right, because I'm assuming else. That's what I thought. Flowers,
Speaker 1: all right, that's what shit. Okay, that's for right yep
Speaker 1: on bended knee. Mm hmm. It's all time. So it's
Speaker 1: just disrespectful court structures and the damn melodies. Very give
Speaker 1: me the reason. Well, last time you've been to a
Speaker 1: Boyson main concert? Never have what? And as my favorite
Speaker 1: group of all times, every been to a contact, I
Speaker 1: hadn't been to hundreds. I just opened up for him
Speaker 1: at the Barclays, and I got as many boys in
Speaker 1: many kinds as I can't. I did my thing. I
Speaker 1: did my set when we titties out boys, the you
Speaker 1: know what, No, no, I opened for them. They won't anyway.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do tank tanks that. I got to get
Speaker 1: a shape. So I came out there and I did
Speaker 1: what I do. I should. I shout the crowd, shut
Speaker 1: their asses up, made them nasty, okay boys. The men
Speaker 1: fully closed and erased everything. Look listen, they had erased
Speaker 1: everything that happened before they got on Statch. Nothing else mattered.
Speaker 1: There was an artist that was supposed to go after them.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that. Nope, Voltron, m that's you're gonna do.
Speaker 1: So I want to know what you try to think?
Speaker 1: You're bro I know you, I know you're ready, but
Speaker 1: just you're Voltron. Who are you getting the vocal from?
Speaker 1: The performance style, the styling and the passion the heart
Speaker 1: of the artists. Who are you getting the vocal from
Speaker 1: to build your artist? Mm hm, Who's gonna be the
Speaker 1: least sanger? I would give that to Michael? Why not?
Speaker 1: I would? Why not? Why not? Why not? As you should?
Speaker 1: As you should, that's Michael. He's gonna take that. Michael
Speaker 1: had the ability to create a style, a style of singing,
Speaker 1: and as many have tried, ye doesn't happen. I wish
Speaker 1: you nigga will go niggas that. I wish you you can't. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: my daughter says when she hits me, So maybe maybe
Speaker 1: he up. He's a man of the arts. Who are
Speaker 1: you getting the performance style from? I already know you
Speaker 1: want to say. You don't know what I'm gonna saying.
Speaker 1: I do. I don't know what performance style style on stage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: who you're gonna give to your vultr artist Chris bro Oh,
Speaker 1: he didn't know that. You ain't know that. You thought
Speaker 1: it's the same. It's one A and one bat. Is
Speaker 1: he nasty? I just can't boy, Breezy is something. He's
Speaker 1: a problem. He's a problem. Um styling the trip of
Speaker 1: the artists. I will give that to Chris mm hmm.
Speaker 1: He's had some some good he's dripping. Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 1: It's good. Background with that. It's five racks of drip
Speaker 1: in his dressing room. He refuses to be boxed in
Speaker 1: on any standpoint musically and style wise. He does it
Speaker 1: all and it all works. Ye never seen an artist
Speaker 1: like that? Yeah, all right. The passion of the artist,
Speaker 1: the heart of the the heart of the artists. M
Speaker 1: m got that shit make you do wrong? Kaals mm hmmm,
Speaker 1: Now that might be. You know, everybody y'all have R
Speaker 1: and B money talking about R and B music that heart.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's an artist to me ever, that
Speaker 1: actually had that passionate yeah, you know, and was able
Speaker 1: to get it out dude music Colse, Who is we
Speaker 1: all trying to get it from? Cause? I like what
Speaker 1: you did there. I like what you did there, but
Speaker 1: you're not done. You definitely ain't done. Okay, you can't
Speaker 1: leave here without I ain't saying no names. I ain't
Speaker 1: saying no names, saying no names. I ain't saying no names.
Speaker 1: Where you was, who you win? What you did? Don't
Speaker 1: say she, I ain't saying no name. So the story time, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hate relaxed man, stay, stay ready, load the good ones,
Speaker 1: load the good one. No, no, listen, listen, give you
Speaker 1: the breakdown, give me a breakdown. Make sure it's a
Speaker 1: good one. Okay, story funny or fucked up? Are funny
Speaker 1: and fucked up your travels? It's Marcus Houston Batman, I
Speaker 1: mean Batman. There have been many in the movies, but
Speaker 1: in this community it's only been one. Batman's right, you hm,
Speaker 1: it's right, you am. So this is Marcus Houston, the legend. Understand,
Speaker 1: understand the man we got in the building to day,
Speaker 1: this is his I ain't saying no names. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: this is a good story. Okay. So I'm in the
Speaker 1: story though, so that cannot say my name? Yea. So
Speaker 1: we say you're gonna go third person on, Uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can go third person m Batman group. And Batman
Speaker 1: didn't really know the industry that well. Okay, he was
Speaker 1: a kid that was very wishful and he thought of
Speaker 1: was glamorous and he grew up thinking that it might
Speaker 1: have been real. There may have been some real people
Speaker 1: in n but he found out quick that this industry
Speaker 1: was very fake. And I'll tell you how he found
Speaker 1: that album. So everybe when I told you earlier, somebody
Speaker 1: paid for the album. We did the album, took it
Speaker 1: to a label, got signed through a guy that was
Speaker 1: the person at the label. He signed it. The group.
Speaker 1: So when the group, you know, you go to ther
Speaker 1: press day, go to New York. Gotta go to New
Speaker 1: York to gotta go to New York meet the company
Speaker 1: because most back then most companies was in New York.
Speaker 1: That was like the you know, that's how you knew
Speaker 1: Year have made it. Yeah, you go to New York.
Speaker 1: So the group goes to New York, meets one of
Speaker 1: the head guys of the label. The group's nothing yet,
Speaker 1: so walking you know, you're doing the meet and greets.
Speaker 1: You gotta walk around the company and you gotta you know,
Speaker 1: meet this person, meet that person. Guy treats them like
Speaker 1: complete trash, like almost get out of my office trash, Like,
Speaker 1: who are you guys? Despicable? Right? We go go away,
Speaker 1: you know, hands hanging low, kind of like, wow, that
Speaker 1: was you know, headed label go away. Song comes out,
Speaker 1: group explodes, go back to New York. Now the group
Speaker 1: is big, goes to the same person's office and he says, hey,
Speaker 1: it's my son's come on in my son's how you
Speaker 1: guys doing. We was like, wow, that's what that's that's
Speaker 1: what that's about. Huh, that's what Okay? Cool? So I
Speaker 1: never forgot that because it was it was the ft
Speaker 1: up story. Yeah, and I never forgot because I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, you treated us like dog crap, and now
Speaker 1: it's like we your sons and we family. So that
Speaker 1: just kind of just taught me a little bit about
Speaker 1: you know, just watch it a little bit. And that
Speaker 1: was early because I was said groups first hit record, yep,
Speaker 1: so it's very early. But I learned something, you know,
Speaker 1: I learned that's how the industry is, and you gotta
Speaker 1: the people that you choose to be in your circle.
Speaker 1: Stick with that. That's your core. Let that be your corvation.
Speaker 1: Understand the rest. Yeah, So yeah, that's my story. I
Speaker 1: hope it was a good one. That's a story that
Speaker 1: they need to know in them periods, because that's a
Speaker 1: very real thing. And I have to tell people not
Speaker 1: to take it personal. That's true. That's listen. You're not hot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I've been there, so you're not. We got a surprise, Okay,
Speaker 1: I got a little surprised. Man wants to bring this
Speaker 1: in tank. Oh shit, so take Durrell Tank, Babs Senior. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Neaked album is officially certified gold. And just so
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta pay for these. Come on, so
Speaker 1: I bought my guy. Yeah yeah, just a just another
Speaker 1: plaque to copies, you know. Yeah, we sold them. Yeah
Speaker 1: this ain't this ain't single. Yeah, this album. Yeah that's great. Bro. Congratulations,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, cotulations, thank you, thank you, congratulation.
Speaker 1: She said, yeah, you know I'm saying. You know, listen,
Speaker 1: I had left the underdogs by the time, damn it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he wasn't a dog. He up started. Oh wow, I'd
Speaker 1: like to thank I'd like to thank first of all,
Speaker 1: um Marcus Houston for for being a vessel, Um for
Speaker 1: such amazing art, being receptive. Thank you very much, um
Speaker 1: to to just what I was trying to do at
Speaker 1: the moment um just just just trying to trying to
Speaker 1: be creative, trying to be musical, um and trying not
Speaker 1: to be poor. Worked, I'm trying to be poor. Shout out.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Harvey Mason Junior um who saw the
Speaker 1: vision as well. Um, they hard without you know, help
Speaker 1: help help me finish that track and that song. And
Speaker 1: you know all of my guys up there, a little
Speaker 1: Steve and Er Dawkins, Tony Dixon, Jay was gone by
Speaker 1: the end. I thank him anyway for he just should
Speaker 1: be thanked. He's fine, He's fine when I left, and
Speaker 1: m you know, just just a great time, a great
Speaker 1: moment in music history. Shout out to the Naked Box, Um,
Speaker 1: the Naked Box. Shout out to the Naked Box. Very
Speaker 1: disturbing on stage is throwing draws. And I never shout
Speaker 1: out to the person that shout out to you. I
Speaker 1: know you're somewhere traumatized. M g TD got the drop.
Speaker 1: I'm just happy to be here, you know. Um, I
Speaker 1: can't think of any other place I'd rather be right
Speaker 1: now than on the arm by Money podcast Money talking
Speaker 1: to my brother Marcus since for my brother Ja Valentine. UM,
Speaker 1: hold just holding the go record, you know, so you
Speaker 1: know I'm gonna just hold this right here. It's classic.
Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure that you got it. Just
Speaker 1: came out fresh out of the box. Um so brother,
Speaker 1: brother Marcus Houston. UM, your time is valuable. Yes, UM,
Speaker 1: we appreciate, We appreciate you coming as I appreciate you. Um.
Speaker 1: You are. You are a true legend. Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: Nobody can take that from you ever. In a million
Speaker 1: years you will. You will be talked about for the
Speaker 1: ages Batman or image. You will continue to live on.
Speaker 1: Thank you for Thank you for inspiring me. Yeah you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, thank you, thank you for giving
Speaker 1: me levels I appreciate to attain too, because a lot
Speaker 1: of people don't. You know. It's we in an industry
Speaker 1: where people don't give credit, and I like to give
Speaker 1: credit to you as well. Yeah. You know you inspired
Speaker 1: me every day, you know what I'm saying exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And when you stop learning, then you stop living, That's right,
Speaker 1: and so that's what we continue to do. Man, I
Speaker 1: still don't that while you wait, M I mean, I
Speaker 1: just you know, I just put on my piano though.
Speaker 1: My thing. Another another one of Jay Valentine's thousand ideas
Speaker 1: In the morning, I got it. I got twenty things.
Speaker 1: You wait, I'm not going to do any of that
Speaker 1: phone I call them back. Okay, I'm gonna do the third.
Speaker 1: I'm um, So can I throw throw a little you know,
Speaker 1: just let everybody know what's going on? Please? Yeah? Please?
Speaker 1: Got a movie coming out, of course, wrote and produced,
Speaker 1: of course it started Wow why not? Uh it's called
Speaker 1: No Way Out? Yeah? Okay, yeah, So make sure I
Speaker 1: don't sound aggressive like it's it's it's it's a little action,
Speaker 1: it's a little suspense. Okay, it's pretty dope. Me and
Speaker 1: my Boycasper Smart. Where will we be able to find it?
Speaker 1: To be young Casper? Yeah? God, Toby, Yeah, I can
Speaker 1: find it on Toby. And if you don't know, to
Speaker 1: Be's free. Had to add on the super Bowl. You know,
Speaker 1: I've seen it. I love it. I've seen it. Had
Speaker 1: people trying to figure out what you figure out what?
Speaker 1: I was trying to figure out what's going on my
Speaker 1: TV blaming Auntie Wanda because she's drinking, Like, why have
Speaker 1: you got boat? She's like, I hate touching it, so
Speaker 1: yet shout out to me, you know, written directed by
Speaker 1: Chris Stokes. One of our twenty five I'll be expect
Speaker 1: one of the phone calls. You should yeah, you should expect.
Speaker 1: We'll be expecting phone calls. I mean, you know, Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll talk letty. My name is Tank and this has
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