1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:01,600 Speaker 1: Welcome. 2 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 2: It is verdict with Senator Ted Cruz Ben Ferguson with you, Senator. 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 2: We have got a lot to talk about tonight, including 4 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 2: a massive victory for the state of Texas when it 5 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 2: comes to dealing with illegal immigrants at the southern border. 6 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 3: Well, that's right. 7 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 4: This week Texas won a huge victory at the Supreme 8 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 4: Court by a six ' three vote. The Supreme Court 9 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 4: is allowing Texas to enforce its immigration law to arrest 10 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 4: and deport illegal aliens. Now, the victory is temporary, litigation 11 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 4: is still ongoing. Nonetheless, it is a major, major step forward. 12 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 3: Number two. This is a great week. 13 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 4: This is a great week for sports fans, and it's 14 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 4: March Madness. March Madness is always a lot of fun 15 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 4: everyone who loves college basketball. It is a blast to 16 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 4: see what's happening. I got to say there are a 17 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 4: bunch of Texas teams that are in the mix. And 18 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 4: we also have a moment in college athletics that is 19 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 4: really remarkable. 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And this 59 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 2: story that initially came out that the Supreme Court said, no, 60 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 2: you cannot arrest people coming across the southern border who 61 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 2: were here illegally. That's the job of the federal government. 62 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 2: But then within twenty four hours it flipped. Please explain 63 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 2: to everyone that's confused how this went from a massive 64 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 2: you know, victory and celebration by the left all of 65 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 2: a sudden, just kidding. Now Texas has the ability to 66 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 2: protect its border from illegal immigrants that are invading. 67 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 4: Well, it's a big victory, but it may be a 68 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 4: temporary victory. So what's happened. Well, we all know that 69 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 4: we've got an historic crisis of illegal immigration levels that 70 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 4: have never been seen in the history of our country. 71 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 4: Millions and millions, over ten point four million illegal immigrants 72 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 4: crossing into this country, the vast majority crossing into Texas. 73 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 4: We also know that Joe Biden is refusing to enforce 74 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 4: federal immigration laws, is releasing millions and millions of illegal immigrants, 75 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 4: is causing this crisis. My home state of Texas has 76 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 4: said enough is enough, and Texas is taking extraordinary steps 77 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 4: trying to address that crisis. One of those steps is 78 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 4: Texas passed to bill Senate Bill for that was designed 79 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,679 Speaker 4: to give the State of Texas the authority to handle 80 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 4: directly this crisis and in particular to arrest people who've 81 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 4: crossed illegally into this country and to send them back. Now, 82 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 4: when Texas passed that legislation, the governor justified it, the 83 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 4: legislature justified it under the constitutional provisions giving the state 84 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 4: to the authority to defend itself in the case of invasion. Well, 85 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 4: of course, plaintiffs immediately went to court and sued, and 86 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 4: a federal district court issued an injunction against Texas's law, 87 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 4: ordered Texas do not enforce the law. That went up 88 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 4: on appeal to the Fifth Circuit Federal Court Appeals. The 89 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 4: Fifth Circuit Federal Court of Appeals vacated that injunction. In 90 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 4: other words, it said, Texas, you can enforce the law. 91 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 4: Now understand, the Fifth Circuit has not answered the question 92 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 4: whether it thinks Texas's law is consistent with federal law 93 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 4: the Constitution. It simply said, while this appeal is pending, 94 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 4: Texas because it can enforce the law. The Biden Department 95 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 4: of Justice appealed that decision to the U. S. 96 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 3: Supreme Court. 97 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 4: The Supreme Court initially stayed the enforcement of the law 98 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 4: while it considered what to do, but that was a 99 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 4: temporary administrative stay. And then yesterday the Supreme Court concluded 100 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 4: it was not going to impose an administrative stay. Now 101 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 4: that was a six to three decision. The three liberal 102 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 4: justices dissented. Justice Soda Mayor dissented along with Katanji Brown 103 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 4: Jackson along with Atlana Kagan. 104 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 3: Those three dissented. 105 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 4: Justice Barrett and Justice Kavanaugh wrote a brief concurring opinion. 106 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 4: Their concurring opinion, they said, listen, we're not resolving whether 107 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 4: this law is constitutional. We're not resolving whether this law 108 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,679 Speaker 4: is consistent with federal law. We're simply saying that while 109 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 4: the appeal is pending, it's up to the Federal Court 110 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 4: of Appeals whether to stay the effect of the law 111 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 4: or not. The three to center said, that's terrible. This 112 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 4: is going to upend all of immigration law. And what 113 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:24,679 Speaker 4: Justice Barrett and Kavanaugh said is, listen, the Fifth Circuit 114 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 4: is going to resolve this issue quickly. If they don't 115 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 4: resolve it quickly, the United States might come back to us. 116 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 4: What does all of this mean, Well, the challenge to 117 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 4: this law, the biggest challenge is a decision from the 118 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,919 Speaker 4: Supreme Court called Arizona versus United States. Arizona versus United 119 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 4: States is a twenty twelve decision of the Supreme Court. 120 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 4: You remembered back during Barack Obama when an illegal immigration 121 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 4: got bad. Under Obama, Arizona passed a law that had 122 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:56,239 Speaker 4: some similarities to Texas's Senate Billfore and the Obama DOJ 123 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 4: took that to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court 124 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 4: struck it down. Supreme Court concluded in Arizona versus United States, quote, 125 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 4: the government of the United States has broad, undoubted power 126 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 4: over the subject of immigration and the status of non citizens. 127 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 4: And the Court continued in that case, quote, it is 128 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 4: fundamental that foreign country is concerned about the status, safety 129 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 4: and security of their nationals in the United States must 130 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 4: be able to confer and communicate on the subject with 131 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 4: one national sovereign, not fifty separate states. Texas, in bringing 132 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 4: this case, is trying to challenge the case of Arizona 133 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 4: versus the United States, and it's trying to get the 134 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 4: Supreme Court to overturn it. The Supreme Court said that quote, 135 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 4: the removal process is entrusted to the discretion of the 136 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 4: federal government because removal decisions touch on foreign relations and 137 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 4: must be made with one voice. And so what Texas 138 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 4: is trying to do is is get the court to 139 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 4: overturn that decision. I don't know if they will or not. 140 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 4: I can tell you a central argument in this case 141 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 4: is the circumstances are different. So there's a way for 142 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 4: the Supreme Court to uphold the Texas law without overturning 143 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 4: the early Arizona case. And what it could conclude is 144 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 4: the Arizona case is usually the rule, which is that 145 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 4: states cannot deport people under normal times, but the mass 146 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 4: of the invasion is so great, and the invasion Clause 147 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 4: the Constitution gives state special powers that in an instance 148 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 4: where the federal government, where the executive is defying the 149 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 4: federal immigration laws refusing to enforce it, when it is 150 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 4: an order of magnitude worse than it's ever been, then 151 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 4: a state has the extraordinary powers to defend itself and 152 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 4: defend its sovereignty. Now, to be clear, that would be 153 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 4: making new law. That would be a landmark decision. And 154 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 4: so Texas is pushing the bounds of jurisprudence. But it's 155 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 4: doing so because this crisis has never happened before. The 156 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:01,319 Speaker 4: long and short of it is, this victory could go away. 157 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 4: It could go away in the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals. 158 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 4: It could go away on a subsequent appeal to the 159 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 4: US Supreme Court. But right now, the Supreme Court has 160 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 4: concluded that Texas has the authority to arrest the legal 161 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 4: immigrants and to send them back and that is a 162 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,599 Speaker 4: big damn victory, not just for Texas, but for the 163 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 4: whole country. 164 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: All right, So let's talk about the timeline here. 165 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 2: And you said that this could be a short lived victory, 166 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 2: So let's talk about the timeline. When could this in 167 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 2: theory be heard and possibly go in the other direction 168 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 2: if that is the scenario that plays out hypothetically. 169 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 4: Well, it could be very fast. So the briefing on 170 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 4: the motion to stay pending appeal has already been briefed 171 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 4: in the Fifth Circuit. It was fully briefed by March fifth. 172 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 4: It is set to be argued on April third, So 173 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 4: just for a couple of weeks. The Fifth Circuit could 174 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 4: issue an opinion on that motion to stay very soon. 175 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 3: Thereafter. 176 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 4: There's also briefing on the underlying merits of the appeal, 177 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 4: whether or not the law is constitutional and consistent with 178 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 4: federal law. That will take longer. But what the Supreme 179 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 4: Court said, what Justice Parritt and Justice Kavanaugh said, is 180 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 4: if the Fifth Circuit does not issue a decision on 181 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 4: the stay pending appeal soon, the Biden administration could go 182 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 4: back to the Supreme Court. So I would expect to 183 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 4: see a decision from the Fifth Circuit within sixty days 184 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 4: and potentially shorter than that, potentially a couple of weeks 185 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 4: to a month, and depending on what the Fifth Circuit concludes, 186 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 4: it could go back to the Supreme Court. All of 187 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 4: which is to say this issue is not over. There's 188 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 4: a whole lot more litigation to come. Nonetheless, this victory 189 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 4: yesterday was significant and I'm glad for it. 190 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 2: Final question on this for you, and I want people 191 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 2: to understand what this allows Texas to do. The Supreme 192 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 2: Court is saying, we're going to allow the law right 193 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 2: that would allow the Texas National Guard to who arrests 194 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 2: into port of legal aliens within the state of Texas. 195 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: How would that work and play out? 196 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 2: And would that be something that they can basically jump 197 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 2: on and start enforcing right away or could that take 198 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 2: weeks or months? 199 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, they could jump on it right away. 200 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 4: So Senate Bill four makes it a crime for a 201 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 4: non citizen to enter or attempt to enter Texas directly 202 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 4: from a foreign nation or any location other than a 203 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 4: lawful port of entry. It also makes it a crime 204 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 4: for a non citizen to enter, attempt to enter, or 205 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 4: be found in Texas after having previously been denied admission 206 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 4: to or excluded to, ported, or removed from the United States. 207 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 4: These crimes are punishable by thousands of dollars in fines 208 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 4: and up to one year in prison. Once Texas charges 209 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 4: a non citizen under Senate Bill four, a state judge may, 210 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 4: with the consent of the non citizen, enter an order 211 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 4: that quote requires the person to return to the foreign 212 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 4: nation from which the person entered or attempted to enter 213 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 4: before any conviction. Once the non sense sentences non citizen 214 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 4: is convicted, the judge quote shall enter on order requiring 215 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 4: the person to return to the foreign nation from which 216 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 4: the person entered or attempted to enter. So it gives 217 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 4: the State of Texas the authority to arrest illegal aliens 218 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 4: and to send them back to where they came from. Historically, 219 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 4: that has always been the federal government's province. And so 220 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 4: this litigation is going to turn on whether the circumstances 221 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 4: are so extraordinary that Texas is justified legally at acting here. 222 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 4: And it's also ultimately going to turn on whether the 223 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 4: Arizona decisions should be overturned. Of course, the Court of 224 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 4: Appeals can't overturn a Supreme Court decision, so that would 225 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 4: have to be the Supreme Court of the United States 226 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 4: that would overturn that. 227 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: You just think about the visual of this. 228 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:50,719 Speaker 2: We've seen so many illegals you've watched then when you've 229 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 2: been at the border, come across the border, they run 230 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 2: and turn themselves into board patrol. That could all change 231 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 2: in Texas, where all of a sudden, these individuals aren't 232 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 2: turning themselves in, they're being arrested. We haven't seen this 233 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 2: in the last three years. 234 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, And what it may well do is accelerate what 235 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 4: we're seeing already, which is illegal aliens and cartels moving 236 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 4: to California or Arizona or New Mexico in avoiding Texas. 237 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 4: And I'll tell you that's not great for the country's perspective. 238 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 4: But from Texas, I'm glad if we secure our damn 239 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 4: border and let California worry about their open borders. 240 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, puts pressure on other states to realize they got 241 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 2: to do something to fight this problem and start standing 242 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 2: up to the President and the Department of Home in Security, 243 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 2: no doubt about that. 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People can go check that out 281 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 2: on social media. They can follow you on social media 282 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 2: and check it out there. In fact, one of you 283 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 2: can even get a chance to play basketball with you 284 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 2: if you pick the winning team. So you can find 285 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 2: all that on search social media. It's really cool. But 286 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 2: you also had a very serious conversation addressing what's happening 287 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 2: now with student athletes rights, specifically with their name, image 288 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 2: and likeness. And you had a very interesting conversation with 289 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 2: a legendary football coach in Washington. 290 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about this. 291 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 4: Well, sure, I'll say, first of all, I filled out 292 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 4: my bracket this week. I have to admit it's a 293 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 4: bit of a Homer bracket. We've got some great Texas 294 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 4: team playing. So my final four is Yukon against Baylor 295 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 4: and Houston against University of Texas. In the finals, I 296 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 4: have Baylor against Houston and I'm predicting you of h 297 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 4: to win the whole thing. 298 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 5: So I will. 299 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 4: Readily confess to being a Texan and biased for my 300 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 4: home state teams. But I got to say I think 301 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 4: they've got the game to potentially deliver. And it's always fun. 302 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 4: I mean, the joys of March madness. Sharing on your 303 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 4: teams is always fun. I will say this is a 304 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 4: particularly unusual time because although it, you know, college athletics 305 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 4: bring people together from all sorts of different walks of life, 306 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 4: I think they've never been under greater threat than they 307 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 4: are right now. And we've got with the current state 308 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 4: of AffA with name, image and likeness, is that athletes 309 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 4: are being paid by schools vast sums of money, sometimes 310 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 4: millions of dollars. You combine that with a transfer portal, 311 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 4: and you have right now the wild West, and it threatens, 312 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 4: I think, to really jeopardize the competitiveness of college athletics, 313 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 4: to jeopardize the loyalty that fans have to their teams, 314 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 4: that players have to their teams. If it becomes just 315 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 4: a mad bidding war, that there's a real threat of 316 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 4: a handful of super schools and a bunch of other 317 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 4: schools that are also runs that can't afford to compete financially. 318 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 4: And so I think there's a real need to assess 319 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 4: what do we do to ensure that college athletics continues 320 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 4: for a long time. Last week I hosted a roundtable 321 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 4: in the Senate. I'm the ranking member of the Senate 322 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 4: Commerce Committee, and the Commerce Committee has jurisdiction, among other things, 323 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 4: over athletics, and so it is squarely within our committee's 324 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 4: jurisdiction and the roundtable, I was joined by coach Nick Saban, 325 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 4: the former coach of Alabama Legendary College. Coach was also 326 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 4: joined by the ACC Commissioner, was joined by the athletic 327 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 4: director of Alabama, was joined by the Cavender Twins, two 328 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 4: star women basketball players who both participated, and then by 329 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 4: an NIL attorney and by the Collective Association president. And 330 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 4: we spent a couple of hours talking about these issues. 331 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 4: I got to tell you, Ben, I think it is 332 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 4: really critical that Congress acts that if we don't act, 333 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 4: we're risking seeing enormous damage done to college athletics. And 334 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 4: that would be a tragedy. Number one for all the 335 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 4: fans who love cheering on their teams, but number two 336 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 4: for all the young men and women who for whom 337 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 4: college athletics gives them a path to get an education. 338 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 4: If we let this get get screwed up, it would 339 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 4: be be tragic. I don't want to see that happen. 340 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: Santa. 341 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 2: You mentioned this round table, and I want to play 342 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 2: some of your opening remarks. You were sitting there next 343 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 2: to Nick Saban, which is, by the way, if you're 344 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 2: a sports fan. 345 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: It's just cool. He's a legendary coach. 346 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 2: I'm so glad he retired so I don't have to 347 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 2: deal with him playing him every year because he's a 348 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 2: brilliant mind in football. 349 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: But here's part of what you had to say. 350 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 4: Fear and many others, Fear threatens to jeopardize all that 351 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 4: is working so well with college athletics. More and more 352 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 4: there is agreement that Congress needs to act to ensure 353 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,479 Speaker 4: that we have a level playing field, that we have 354 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 4: real competition, that college sports can continue to thrive in 355 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 4: the decades going forward. And this roundtable is designed to 356 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 4: be a discussion with numerous stakeholders who are engaged in 357 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 4: the process to get perspectives on what is needed and 358 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 4: what is not Right now, we have the brave new 359 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 4: world of nil and college athletes, now, many of them 360 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 4: earning very significant sums of money. 361 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 3: I for one, think that's a good thing. 362 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 4: I think it is good that young men and young 363 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 4: women have worked incredibly hard to develop fantastic skills that 364 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 4: in turn can generate enormous economic activity. Should be entitled 365 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 4: to enjoy the fruits of their labor, should be entitled 366 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 4: to benefit. But we also need a system where we 367 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 4: have real competition and fair competition, and not just one 368 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 4: or two monster schools and everyone else as a hanger on, 369 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 4: but real competition throughout the league to make for good games. 370 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 4: We also need to make sure the rules that are 371 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 4: in place don't just focus on Power five conferences, don't 372 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 4: just focus on football and basketball, which generate most of 373 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 4: the revenue. 374 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 3: But we need to. 375 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 4: Keep in mind and keep our focus on smaller schools, 376 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 4: Division two schools, Division three schools, and we need to 377 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 4: focus on the many other sports that are not going 378 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 4: to be playing on ESPN, but nonetheless provide an avenue 379 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 4: for young women and young men to go to school 380 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 4: and to get an edge. We now have a patchwork 381 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 4: of nil laws state by state that makes it difficult 382 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:11,959 Speaker 4: to navigate. We have multiple active litigation going on that 383 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 4: prevents the NCAA and conferences and universities from enforcing the 384 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 4: rules or even knowing what the rules are. 385 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 3: And we have a lot of uncertainty. 386 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 4: For student athletes and for agents and collectives who are 387 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 4: trying to navigate the evolving and unpredictable rules but uncertain 388 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 4: what they're going to be today and even more so, 389 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 4: what they're going to be tomorrow. 390 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 3: The purpose of this discussion is to listen. 391 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 4: If we do it right, a number of senators are 392 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 4: expected to join us. We have with us today Senator 393 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 4: Moran and Senator Tillis, and I think others will be 394 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 4: coming in and out throughout the day. There are many members, 395 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 4: both Republicans and Democrats, very interested in this topic. And 396 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 4: I will say if we're going to go forward, and 397 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 4: I very much want Congress to pass meaningful legislation addressing ANIL. 398 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 4: But if we're going to go forward, it is going 399 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:05,880 Speaker 4: to take bipartisan cooperation. If this simply becomes a partisan 400 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 4: exercise of shirts and skins, we know how that ends. 401 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 4: That ends with a vote that doesn't pass through Congress. 402 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 4: So we have and I will say many of us 403 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 4: here at this table have had multiple good, productive conversations 404 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 4: with senators on the other side of the aisle, and 405 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 4: I think we are coming towards some outlines of consensus, 406 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 4: but we're not there yet, and I'm hopeful this conversation 407 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 4: will help move the process forward. 408 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 2: You talked about this being bipartisan. Senator, rarely in Congress 409 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 2: do you get something. I think everybody kind of agrees, Hey, 410 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 2: we need to make sure this is done right. And 411 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 2: you mentioned every different state's got different things, and this 412 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 2: has become the and I kind of become the wild 413 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 2: wide West. But having this discussion, does there seem to 414 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 2: be a lot of consensus here on both sides of 415 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 2: the aisle and pretty easy to get people of the 416 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 2: table here and say, hey, let's do this in a 417 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 2: responsible manner. 418 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 4: Well, yes, and no, I would say there's bipartisan agreement 419 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 4: that Congress needs to act, and I think senators on 420 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 4: both sides are realizing, Hey, we've got a real problem here. 421 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 4: What is not clear is if we can reach consensus 422 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 4: on what acting looks like. I think there's a need 423 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 4: for a federal legislation. We've got a bunch of states 424 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 4: stepping in passing their own nil legislation, but you end 425 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 4: up having this conflicting patchwork. So, for example, Texas has 426 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 4: passed nil legislation. It did something I've never seen the 427 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 4: state of Texas do before, or for that matter, any 428 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 4: state legislature. In the Texas State Bill, it explicitly calls 429 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 4: on Congress to act. It says, Look, it's not great 430 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 4: for each of the states to be doing this. This 431 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 4: ought to be a federal rule that applies to everyone. 432 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 4: And so I've drafted legislation, I've circulated it. I spent 433 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 4: the better part of a year listening to stakeholders, listening 434 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 4: to universities, listening to athletic conferences, listening to players, listening 435 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 4: to all sorts of players across across the world of 436 00:23:55,080 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 4: college athletics, and trying to capture their best practices. Legislation 437 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:05,360 Speaker 4: that I've put forward number one. Number one, it protects 438 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 4: the ability of student athletes to earn from their name, image, 439 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 4: and likeness. And I think it's only fair. If you've 440 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 4: worked incredibly hard, you've developed fantastic skills, you should be 441 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 4: able to reap the rewards the fruits of your labor. 442 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 4: But number two, it empowers the NC double A to 443 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 4: set rules and set standards. Now, there have been some 444 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 4: other senators that have introduced legislation that would put the 445 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 4: federal government in charge of setting the rules and standards, 446 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 4: either the government or a quasi governmental organization. 447 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 3: I think that's a mistake. 448 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 4: I think if you have politicians or bureaucrats, I mean, 449 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 4: can you imagine what a nightmare would be to have 450 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 4: congressional hearings on what constitutes pass interference? 451 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean be bad. That's bad. So it would 452 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 1: never get it would never get agreed upon ever. 453 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 4: Right, are there problems with the NC double A, Yes, 454 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 4: but it's the least worst option out there, and so 455 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 4: my legislation protects the ability of the NC DOUBLEA to 456 00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,160 Speaker 4: set rules. It also provides for things like the redis 457 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 4: of agents. Right now, you have seventeen, eighteen, nineteen year 458 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 4: old students who are being represented by agents. They don't 459 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 4: know if these guys are honest, they don't know their background. 460 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 4: There's no transparency, and it's really setting kids up to 461 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 4: be swindled by people taking advantage of them. So it 462 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 4: sets up for a system of registration of agents. It 463 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 4: also sets up a system of transparency where you can 464 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 4: see what the name, image and likeness market is. You 465 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 4: can see what other schools, what other positions are paying, 466 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 4: so that you're not operating in the dark. And I've 467 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 4: introduced this legislation. I put it out there, and I 468 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 4: have been in the process of negotiating with several Democrats 469 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,719 Speaker 4: to see if we can get to common ground. One 470 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,360 Speaker 4: of the important things my legislation also provides is that 471 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,679 Speaker 4: student athletes are not employees. This is a big question. 472 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 4: It's being litigated right now. I think it'd be a 473 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 4: disaster if student athletes were treated as employees. I think 474 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 4: if that happeneddent athletes were treated as employees, it would 475 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 4: end up badly damaging particularly smaller schools Division two schools, 476 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 4: Division three schools, and it would badly damage non revenue sports. 477 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 4: So football and basketball would be fine. But look, you 478 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 4: played men's tennis women's golf, volleyball, swimming, track and field. 479 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 4: You know, universities are saying across the board those sports 480 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 4: would be obliterated by treating student athletes as employees. I'll say, 481 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,120 Speaker 4: the historically black colleges and universities have come in and said, likewise, 482 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 4: please do not make student athletes employees. It will decimate 483 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 4: our athletic programs. And so I'm in the process of 484 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 4: negotiating and trying to find Democrats who are willing to 485 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 4: find common ground on this. If we can't get common ground, 486 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,719 Speaker 4: the bill's not going to pass. I think we're close, 487 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 4: but we're not there yet. But I will say, you know, 488 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 4: sitting at the roundtable with Nick Saban, it was striking. 489 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 4: I asked Coach Saban, I mean, he just stepped down 490 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 4: from being one of the most successful college football coaches 491 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 4: in all time. And I asked him, I said, coach, 492 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 4: was the current chaos of NIL and the transfer portal 493 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 4: and everything? Was that a factor in your stepping down? 494 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 4: And listen to what Nick Saban said in response to 495 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 4: my question. 496 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 6: All the things that I believed in for all these 497 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 6: years fifty years of coaching no longer exist in college athletics. 498 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 6: So it's always about developing players. It was always about 499 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 6: helping people move more successful in life. My wife even 500 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 6: said to me, we'd have all the recruits over on 501 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 6: Sunday with their parents for breakfast, and she would always 502 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,959 Speaker 6: meet with the mothers and talk about how she was 503 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 6: going to help and impact their sons and how they 504 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 6: would be well taken care of. And she came to me, 505 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 6: you know, like right before I retired, and said, why 506 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 6: are we doing this? And I said, what do you mean? 507 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 6: She said, all they care about is how much you're 508 00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 6: going to pay them. They don't care about how you're 509 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 6: going to develop, which is all what we've always done. 510 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 6: So why are we doing this? 511 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: I mean it drove him, I think from the game. 512 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it's striking. And listen, if Nick Saban can't 513 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,120 Speaker 4: stand it anymore, how the heck is anyone else supposed 514 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 4: to it? And I got to say, the genuine concern 515 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 4: I've heard from coach after coach after coach, rom athletic 516 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 4: director after an athletic director, from the heads of conferences, 517 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 4: they are genuinely afraid that we've got a short window 518 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,360 Speaker 4: of maybe a year or two to act to preserve 519 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 4: college sports or else we are risking major and permanent damage. 520 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 4: So I hope we see Congress Act. I'll tell you 521 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 4: I put the odds at about fifty to fifty. I 522 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 4: think we're close to getting bipartisan agreement. I'm spending a 523 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 4: lot of time talking with several Democrats and we're close. 524 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 3: And it was good. 525 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 4: A number of Republicans and Democrats came to this roundtable participated. 526 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 4: It was a good conversation. And what was nice about 527 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 4: it is it wasn't a hearing where there was show 528 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 4: voting in grandstands. It was a real conversation. And I 529 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 4: do think there's a desire to act to make sure 530 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,719 Speaker 4: we preserve something amazing because I got to say, when 531 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 4: you're cheering for your school, it brings people together across 532 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 4: party lines, across races, across ethnicities, across everything when you're 533 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 4: cheering together, and that's something amazing and special. And it's 534 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 4: also such a powerful pipeline. There's so many young men 535 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 4: and women who are getting college educations who wouldn't get 536 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 4: it without college athletics that if we screw this up, 537 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 4: it would be enormously. 538 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: Damaging, no doubt about it. 539 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 2: I want to get into this other big issue, and 540 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 2: that is there has been a lot of oops is 541 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 2: with the media when it comes specifically to their obsession 542 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 2: with the President of the United States of America saying 543 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 2: something that they took out of context and lie of 544 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 2: the American people about bloodbath. 545 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to have more on that in just a moment. 546 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 2: Every morning, I wake up early, I go on the 547 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 2: radio at seven o'clock, and I have to have a 548 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 2: rate cup of coffee, not average, not below average. 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He wasn't 575 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 2: threatening civil war in this country if you don't vote 576 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 2: for him, which is what the media implied and kept 577 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,239 Speaker 2: writing stories and losing their minds over it. What he 578 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 2: was saying was, hey, as president, we got to get 579 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 2: at our house and order, especially on trade, automobile manufacturing. 580 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 2: If we don't, there's gonna be a bloodbath for the 581 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 2: American consumer. Here's Trump in his own own words. 582 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 7: Mexico has taken over a period of thirty years, thirty 583 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 7: four percent of the automobile manufacturing business in our country. 584 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 5: Think of it went to Mexico. 585 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 7: China now is building a couple of massive plans where 586 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 7: they're going to build the cars in Mexico. And think 587 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 7: they think that they're going to sell those cars into 588 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 7: the United States with no tax at the border. 589 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 5: Let me tell you something to China. 590 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 7: If you're listening, Presidency, and you and I are friends, 591 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 7: but he understands the way ideal those big monster car 592 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 7: manufacturing plants that you're building in Mexico right now, and 593 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 7: you think you're going to get that, you're going to 594 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 7: not hire Americans and you're going to sell the cars US. Now, 595 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 7: We're going to put a one hundred percent twer for 596 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 7: in every single car that comes across the. 597 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 5: Line, and you're not going to be able to. 598 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 7: Sell those cars if I get elected. Now, if I 599 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 7: don't get elected, it's going to be a blood bath 600 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 7: for the whole That's going to be the least of it. 601 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 5: It's going to be a blood bath for the country. 602 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 7: That'll be the least of it. But they're not going 603 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 7: to sell those cars. They're building massive factories of center. 604 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 2: There's the president's words, nothing close to what the media 605 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 2: actually said. They freaked out over the word bloodbath in general. 606 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 2: But now we've we kind of got him right, Like 607 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 2: we have the media saying the word blood bath. 608 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: That's the best part of this show. We get to 609 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: play that for you. 610 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, look, that's exactly right. And we talked about this 611 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 4: in Monday's podcast, which if you didn't listen to, you 612 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 4: how to go back and listen to. But the media 613 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 4: went crazy attacking Donald Trump because he used the word bloodbath, 614 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,239 Speaker 4: and they took it wildly out of context, and they 615 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 4: suggested the headlines all suggested that Trump threatened a blood bath, 616 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 4: in other words, violence in the streets if he didn't win. Now, 617 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 4: you just heard what he said. He was talking about 618 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 4: auto imports and American jobs and manufacturing jobs, and in context, 619 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 4: it was a perfectly normal position for him to take 620 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 4: concerning concerning protecting American jobs. And the media and the 621 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 4: Democrats they knew they were taking him out of context 622 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 4: and they were just scare mongering, and so they were 623 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 4: really caught in a lie. But I got to say 624 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 4: it's not just a lie, it is brazen hypocrisy. So 625 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 4: in the media's defense, I guess using the word bloodbath 626 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 4: is some sort of mortal sin that means you're really 627 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 4: advocating violent revolution. Well if that's the case, listen to 628 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:24,879 Speaker 4: how many gazillion left wing media talking heads have used 629 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 4: the exact same language talking about politics. 630 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 1: But as politico dot com reports tonight on the quote 631 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 1: bloodbath at the RNC headline's calling it a quote bloodbath, 632 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: blood bath, not only is it going to be a 633 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: blood bath, but after they leave of. 634 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,800 Speaker 3: New Hampshire, it's a bloodbath on her home turf. 635 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 5: That's really tough. 636 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 3: Has left a lot of corpses in his wake. I mean, 637 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:46,720 Speaker 3: we haven't count in the body. 638 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 4: As part of the quote MAGA drive to take over 639 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 4: Maricoopa County, and the headline refers to it as an 640 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 4: impending blood. 641 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: Bath, calling as Charles blow As a new piece for 642 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: The New York Times entitled a Biden blood. 643 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,319 Speaker 4: Bath ony eighteen mitrums, you can bet the A one 644 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,280 Speaker 4: hundred percent of fearing a slaughter. 645 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 5: In fact, the word blood bath and massacre come up frequently. 646 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 3: The Republican Party will be destroyed. It's going to be 647 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,359 Speaker 3: a bloodbath. There's going to be a bloodbath one way 648 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:10,919 Speaker 3: or the other. 649 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 5: Bloodbath for Bernie Sanders. 650 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 3: It's been a bloodbath. 651 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,799 Speaker 4: They're shaping up to be a blood bath. 652 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 6: Head off a blood bath in next year's crucial midterm 653 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 6: off Your elections are often a blood bath. 654 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 4: This week's bloodbath for Democrats, a blood bath at the 655 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:24,760 Speaker 4: ballot box. 656 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 5: There could be a Republican blood bath. We'll talk about 657 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 5: a blood bath. It's a bloodbath. 658 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 3: I have to talk about you and at least it's 659 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,399 Speaker 3: going to be a bloodbath all day long. 660 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: Is in for a bloodbath? Has it been a blood 661 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 1: bath on the way down? 662 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 3: With Donald Trump? 663 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 5: Blood bath? 664 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 4: Be a blood bath, predicted to be a blood bath. 665 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 3: May not be the blood bath. It would be a 666 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 3: blood bath, more of a blood bath. It's going to 667 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 3: be a blood bath in November as well. 668 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 2: Biden blood bath this November, a blood bath. 669 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 5: On Wall Street. There's gonna be a blood bath in Alabama. 670 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:54,320 Speaker 5: Into a bloodpath. 671 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 3: Obviously there was a blood bath. 672 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 1: It was a blood bath. We're down eight hundred point 673 00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: this blood bath. 674 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,320 Speaker 5: As Department Homeland Security. 675 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,840 Speaker 1: And it's a blood bath today. There was going to 676 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 1: be this blood bath election blood bath. 677 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,399 Speaker 3: It could be a bloodpath for that blood bath. 678 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,439 Speaker 4: Possibly bloodbath went through with the Attorney general blood bath 679 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 4: ninety nine days out. The blood bath that's going to 680 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 4: look like resided over a bloodbath in the diplomatic corelute. 681 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,439 Speaker 5: In my opinion, bud blood bath. 682 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,799 Speaker 3: The Democrats are calling it a ticket sales turn into 683 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 3: a blood bath. 684 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 4: Ticket sales for singer Taylor Swift's latest tour. It's safe 685 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,360 Speaker 4: to say the fans had a blood bath for the company. 686 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 5: Off to the gasket. 687 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 2: I hope everybody takes that center shares it on social 688 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 2: media because it's just such a perfect example of the 689 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 2: scumbaggery of the media. They freak out when Trump says it, 690 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:39,839 Speaker 2: but they'll use it every day. 691 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 3: That's absolutely right. We've got the receipts. 692 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:47,280 Speaker 4: We've got them, and I got to say the media's hypocrisy. 693 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 4: It's just an absolute blood bath. 694 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 2: Don't forget we did this show Monday, Wednesdays and Fridays. 695 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,399 Speaker 1: We promise it will never be a blood bath. 696 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 2: Hit that subscribe or auto download button and I'll keep 697 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 2: you up to date on the breaking news on those 698 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 2: in between days. So down with the Ben Ferguson podcasts 699 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:05,920 Speaker 2: as well, and I'll keep you update there and the 700 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 2: Sunday and I will see you back here Friday morning.