Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to Amy and TJ. And yes, I'm starting
Speaker 1: the podcast today. I'm probably not going to do a
Speaker 1: great job of it because now I've built it up
Speaker 1: where I'm not a good starter, but I'm going to
Speaker 1: go for it anyway. All I have to say is
Speaker 1: I'm very excited it's the last week of February. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's not a good way to look at it, but
Speaker 1: it's the shortest month of the year. But does it
Speaker 1: always feel like the longest month of the year?
Speaker 2: To you?
Speaker 3: Great job starting, by the way, I felt we should
Speaker 3: say that should thanks?
Speaker 1: I need affirmation and validation.
Speaker 3: I'm Amy, I hate February over to you, TJ.
Speaker 1: I mean I'm trying to sell hope and you know, positivity.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, with that picked me up. What was the
Speaker 3: question again, you say I hate February?
Speaker 1: Two was well kind of, But what I was basically
Speaker 1: saying was, does the shortest day of the month feel
Speaker 1: like the longest the shortest month of the year, sorry,
Speaker 1: feel like the longest month of the year.
Speaker 3: Uh No, because Black History Month never feels like a
Speaker 3: long month to me. It always just flies bah, which
Speaker 3: I guess was by design, wasn't it?
Speaker 1: Twenty eight days.
Speaker 3: Hey, we get twenty nine this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sleepier. Yeah, there's an extra person to celebrate in
Speaker 1: Black History Month? And is that what they do?
Speaker 3: We get an extra day, leapier black people are leaving
Speaker 3: with joy? Oh no, please, just another This has been
Speaker 3: a weird month for a whole bunch of reasons. Right,
Speaker 3: but in New York especially, it gets cold and everything
Speaker 3: gets kind of miserable, and you just it's not just cold,
Speaker 3: it's that cold it makes you not want to step
Speaker 3: a foot outside.
Speaker 1: Right, sucks and the sun doesn't shine that much. But anyway,
Speaker 1: onto something positive. This is something that we just were
Speaker 1: talking about with Emma and Andrew here with us because
Speaker 1: we all got excited about this. I feel like a
Speaker 1: schoolgirl when I know that we get to have more
Speaker 1: daylight this weekend we switch over. There's cloppying and smiles. Yay,
Speaker 1: you don't get as excited about it, TJ.
Speaker 3: When does it happen again this weekend? Saturday weekend?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, you go to sleep on Saturday and you
Speaker 1: spring forward, so you lose an hour of sleep, which
Speaker 1: I'm fully willing to give back to get that extra
Speaker 1: hour sun.
Speaker 3: Okay, so this week you're telling me I get an
Speaker 3: extra day for Black History and more sunlight. Yes, this
Speaker 3: is a money week, is it not?
Speaker 1: I just made February better, right, No, I'm kidding. So
Speaker 1: a couple of updates. We I was. Yeah, last last
Speaker 1: week we were proudly saying that we were on our
Speaker 1: run streak. Hell us, the dbay inspired us to run
Speaker 1: every day at least two miles. Wellout, a'll want. Last
Speaker 1: week just got busy and then once we missed one day,
Speaker 1: I was like, let's just stick to the hall Higden
Speaker 1: regular scheduled run. We have like a running a training
Speaker 1: program and you actually we print it out, we put
Speaker 1: it up on the kitchen and we have run days
Speaker 1: and he suggests or at least the plan suggests four
Speaker 1: running days a week. So we did do the four
Speaker 1: running day and that is what I had done before.
Speaker 1: Do you feel any different not running every day?
Speaker 3: No, we were just so busy celebrating Black History that
Speaker 3: we we missed a day of running. Oh yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: a andy. This is a theme now. This is all
Speaker 3: I'm about is a Black history. The extra day now
Speaker 3: is all you're getting from me? So yes, I'm excited
Speaker 3: about it all. What were we talking about?
Speaker 1: We were talking about missing we are. We we ended
Speaker 1: our running Strike Street.
Speaker 3: That was a that was that was legit. There was
Speaker 3: some you know, life got in the way. I'm sure
Speaker 3: we could have run it eleven night or something like that.
Speaker 3: So that was a way too. But it was a
Speaker 3: weird day and you know, life was coming at us
Speaker 3: for a whole host of reasons, and we used today
Speaker 3: but we didn't. And as well, I would suggest nobody should.
Speaker 3: Don't beat yourself up about it. If your dry January,
Speaker 3: if you're a vegetarian and you had piece of meat,
Speaker 3: what we got to give yourself a break, and it's okay,
Speaker 3: And we gave ourselves a break, It's okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And so yeah, this week we've got I think
Speaker 1: we So the New York City Half Marathon, which we're
Speaker 1: also excited about, is March seventeenth, I believe. So what
Speaker 1: about three weeks from now. So this week we have
Speaker 1: a five miler, a three mile er, a five mile,
Speaker 1: and then we have our nine mile run this weekend.
Speaker 1: You ready for it?
Speaker 3: Well, I hope I can recover in time from all
Speaker 3: the celebrating I'm doing for the extra day of Black
Speaker 3: History months.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Also celebrating that my youngest Annaly's made
Speaker 1: it back safe and sound in one piece from Berlin.
Speaker 1: So that was nice to welcome her back.
Speaker 3: She was not celebrating Black History Month well in Germany.
Speaker 1: In Germany, no, she was not. She was not, But
Speaker 1: I think she was doing a lot of celebrating because
Speaker 1: she came back very tired, but in one piece, and
Speaker 1: that's all I ask at this point, and her passport
Speaker 1: was in to.
Speaker 3: And she came back. I mean, thank goodness she's back
Speaker 3: in time. Since we have an extra day to celebrate Black.
Speaker 1: History mark, what will she do with all of that
Speaker 1: celebration ahead of her for the next few days nowhere?
Speaker 3: I'll get her out somewhere, all right.
Speaker 1: That's that's amazing. Also, you know I mentioned March March seventeenth.
Speaker 1: Isn't that the day that March Madness starts? Uh no, oh, oh,
Speaker 1: March nineteenth.
Speaker 3: There we go. So it's the same it's the same week, okay,
Speaker 3: playing games essentially, yes, but yes, that week is a
Speaker 3: big one.
Speaker 1: So I last year was my first March with you,
Speaker 1: and we were in hiding seclusion at least, so I
Speaker 1: got to really fully experience March Madness with you last year,
Speaker 1: but this year, am I wrong? Like basketball is already
Speaker 1: taking over our lives?
Speaker 3: Well, it happens when as soon as the college football
Speaker 3: and the NFL season are over, the focus absolutely does
Speaker 3: shift and now everybody's every game matters. Everybody's still trying
Speaker 3: to get into the tournament. So yes, right now it
Speaker 3: is intense, and they have all the airwork, so I
Speaker 3: don't have to see time on Sunday or Saturday to
Speaker 3: college football or NFL football. So it's a lot of
Speaker 3: college basketball.
Speaker 1: So that's what was happening yesterday. I was on the
Speaker 1: couch watching TJ watching basketball all day.
Speaker 3: Why are you gonna watch me? Watch it? Why don't
Speaker 3: you watch it? Watch your TV?
Speaker 1: I mean I glanced, but I did get a little board,
Speaker 1: and so I thought it'd be fun to put a
Speaker 1: little experiment out. Actually, I got the idea from my
Speaker 1: from my cousin Nick, to see, hey, what what what
Speaker 1: do our listeners want to hear from us or what
Speaker 1: questions might they have for us? So I kind of
Speaker 1: put it out on Instagram just to see what I
Speaker 1: would get, and it was it was. It was fun
Speaker 1: and there was a lot of themes to it because
Speaker 1: everyone wanted to know about running. It seemed like that
Speaker 1: was like the number one thing people wanted to ask about.
Speaker 1: But I was going to give credit to the first
Speaker 1: person who responded on a DM to me and I
Speaker 1: loved I love her handle her Instagram handle lima bean casserole,
Speaker 1: because castle roles have been a theme with us too,
Speaker 1: So I just think it was funny that the first person.
Speaker 3: Has been a theme for you. This is not a
Speaker 3: thing for us.
Speaker 1: Okay, fine, it's my midwestern white eyes.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 3: But lima bean castle.
Speaker 1: Role, so it made me laugh. Lima bean cast role
Speaker 1: wants to know our health, wellness and diet information.
Speaker 3: Well, a lot of lima beans.
Speaker 1: Have you ever had a lima bean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I know. I hate lima bean. It's
Speaker 3: the only way I can know. And I've also had
Speaker 3: a casserole. So she combined well she lima beans, squash,
Speaker 3: liver casserole. Let's throw all with guacamole.
Speaker 1: Sour cream and guacamole on top.
Speaker 3: Throw all the things I hate into one.
Speaker 1: So in terms of TJ's diet, he's a texture person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I don't have a thing with like
Speaker 3: pudding and whipped cream.
Speaker 1: And yogurt and any of it.
Speaker 3: Guacamole and alvocotte. Hate avocado. I hate it. So yes,
Speaker 3: I'm a texture.
Speaker 1: So he doesn't like anything creamy or whipped like whipped cream.
Speaker 1: He freaks out. The funny thing is he yucks my
Speaker 1: m He's like, ew, that's what you say when I
Speaker 1: put those things on my meal?
Speaker 3: Makes me squirrel it, It makes me squirre. What's the
Speaker 3: show Wipeout? We've been watching people watch wipe but we've
Speaker 3: get caught up on all the old episodes. But they
Speaker 3: started using foam and throwing like slime at people as
Speaker 3: they go through the courses. And I have a more
Speaker 3: difficult time watching the show because it sicks me out.
Speaker 3: He will see that.
Speaker 1: You will fast forward or say I can't watch it
Speaker 1: anymore if there's slime. You just have a real issue
Speaker 1: with textures.
Speaker 3: I don't know what do you want for me?
Speaker 1: So wait, what do you eat? Because Lima, being castrole,
Speaker 1: wants to.
Speaker 3: Know what sorts of training and whatnot, well.
Speaker 1: Just health, wellness and diet. Like a lot of people
Speaker 1: asked us what we eat? How you know how how
Speaker 1: we use food to incorporate just our running and all
Speaker 1: of our fitness.
Speaker 3: I have always been a very good eater since college.
Speaker 3: So I am pretty much just fish and veggies. That's it.
Speaker 3: Pretty much. Don't have meat in my diet. I will
Speaker 3: eat meat, like I said, I don't beat myself up
Speaker 3: about it, but as far as my diet goes, my
Speaker 3: meal is a Caesar salad with grilled chicken on a
Speaker 3: grilled salmon on top, or maybe shrimp on top, or
Speaker 3: it's a a Niewas salad with the tuna on it.
Speaker 3: And that's it. That's I mean, you're around me all
Speaker 3: the time, that's all I eat.
Speaker 1: You're annoyingly healthy with your with your food because I
Speaker 1: don't make the same good choices that you do.
Speaker 3: You know a baddie. I mean you throw some fried
Speaker 3: chicken on top of a salad type of I mean
Speaker 3: that sounds crazy, but you have it. I don't think
Speaker 3: you're a terrible eating with us. We just don't incorporate
Speaker 3: a lot of sugar, a lot of bread. And there's
Speaker 3: no pasta like, no pasta, no. And I don't like
Speaker 3: a potato of any kind on eat French fries. I
Speaker 3: just it's not my work. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I know everyone's looking at you like wow, who is
Speaker 1: this person.
Speaker 3: But the thing is it is not a matter of
Speaker 3: being disciplined, is a matter of having habits. And I
Speaker 3: was in college and I played ball for a couple
Speaker 3: of years in the program at the University of Arkansas,
Speaker 3: and they had us on a particular diet. We're the
Speaker 3: only carbs I got in life. They handed to me
Speaker 3: from a refrigerator full of this liquid and say, here,
Speaker 3: that was my car So I got into a habit
Speaker 3: of eating a certain way. So I don't even cross
Speaker 3: my mind to want a French fry or a baked
Speaker 3: potato or let's go get pasta tonight. It just it's
Speaker 3: it's a routine into habit now. So more so for me,
Speaker 3: it's just of just how I am.
Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, it's amazing to witness. I mean, he really doesn't.
Speaker 1: I mean I am the opposite. I mean I don't
Speaker 1: do the sugar thing. I was keto for about I
Speaker 1: mean really strictly keto for about five years, even longer.
Speaker 1: And I've let some carbs back in my life just
Speaker 1: because of all of the training with running. It's hard
Speaker 1: not to have some carbs. But we don't do bread,
Speaker 1: we don't French fries are my Achilles heel. And yes,
Speaker 1: chicken nuggets that I like to put into the air fryer,
Speaker 1: so I feel like they're slightly healthier if I cook
Speaker 1: them that way, and then I put them on spinach
Speaker 1: and you know, healthy things, and so that's how I justify.
Speaker 1: But yes, and I don't think we eat a lot.
Speaker 1: I think that's another thing, like we don't eat a
Speaker 1: lot and we don't have.
Speaker 3: A lot of meals. I don't know how. I think
Speaker 3: it was more the work routine I got into with
Speaker 3: are you getting up that earth? I just missed. I
Speaker 3: mean we were so busy at times. Sometimes it could
Speaker 3: be two in the afternoon and you go, wait a minute,
Speaker 3: did I eat it? You honestly don't even feel hungry.
Speaker 3: And I think intermittent fasting. I can't explain a lot
Speaker 3: of the health benefits, but I kind of fell into
Speaker 3: doing it, and I think it may be beneficial.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't eaten anything today yet, have you?
Speaker 3: I have not?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean that's that's usually how I roll
Speaker 1: as well. All right, So thank you Lima being cast role.
Speaker 1: That was fun. Christa wants to know if we are
Speaker 1: still drinking beer after our morning runs now that it's
Speaker 1: not dry January.
Speaker 3: I don't think you have a single time. And I
Speaker 3: did once and I hated it. Yep, and here we
Speaker 3: are where a month is almost out and it's just again.
Speaker 3: You get into a routine, you get into different habits.
Speaker 3: And I even forced myself. I didn't really want one,
Speaker 3: I just let me try it out. I indeed I
Speaker 3: haven't had another one.
Speaker 1: I just didn't taste did you, I saw you do.
Speaker 3: It just didn't taste good. Yeah, there you go with.
Speaker 1: The habits, right, we created a really good habit. So no, Krista,
Speaker 1: we are not drinking beer after our morning runs anymore.
Speaker 1: Pat wants to know how many times a week we
Speaker 1: were running. I think we covered that. It's gotten less. Yes,
Speaker 1: it was fun though I did enjoy doing it for
Speaker 1: one month. I think I'm going to do that next
Speaker 1: January as well.
Speaker 3: I think we're going to pick it right back up.
Speaker 3: I think. Ye last week, which is a weird week
Speaker 3: for a bunch of reasons, the kids are out of school,
Speaker 3: one is traveling, and yeah, being was all over the place,
Speaker 3: and yeah, I think, well I will get right back
Speaker 3: on the streak. I would bet.
Speaker 1: I loved how I felt just doing the two much.
Speaker 1: It felt like at least if everything else went to
Speaker 1: hell that day, at least you accomplished something that was good.
Speaker 1: That's how I looked at it, all right. Kristin wants
Speaker 1: to know what's on our vision board for the year.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Do you know, Emma? Do you know? Andrew?
Speaker 2: It's essentially visuals that you can plan ahead of a year,
Speaker 2: ahead of a month, and they just kind of help
Speaker 2: you focus on what you're trying to achieve.
Speaker 1: So do you actually cut out pictures and put them
Speaker 1: up on a board or you.
Speaker 2: Can make it digital, or you can use words of inspiration,
Speaker 2: but it kind of like zones your mind and on
Speaker 2: what you're focusing.
Speaker 3: Have you done this? Do you have one?
Speaker 2: I use Pinterest as like a vision board like fashion.
Speaker 3: I don't know what's an example, what would you put
Speaker 3: on a bit like I wouldn't even know for me.
Speaker 3: What would you could.
Speaker 2: Put like running goals like a marathon destination?
Speaker 1: Okay, oh that's cool, all right. It's just another way
Speaker 1: of saying, what are your goals for the year? Basically,
Speaker 1: but you visualize it and maybe manifest it that way.
Speaker 1: All right? So yeah, I mean, definitely a marathon is
Speaker 1: online for sure, probably New York. We were talking. We're
Speaker 1: throwing around Chicago yesterday as a possibility, and one of
Speaker 1: these days I do want to do London, but I've
Speaker 1: missed the book for this year because it's in April.
Speaker 1: That's on my vision board, and I just think just better,
Speaker 1: I just I want to. I just always trying to
Speaker 1: be a better eater, a better person, a better mom,
Speaker 1: like all those things. But I think the only one
Speaker 1: I could put up there would be a marathon, for sure.
Speaker 1: How about you?
Speaker 3: I yes, after just yesterday spending time with your cousins,
Speaker 3: I think Chicago might go up on the board today
Speaker 3: for me to pull off running those two marathons at
Speaker 3: about a month apart, Chicago and New York. So that
Speaker 3: might be on my board now. I think I didn't
Speaker 3: realize it would have been. But I feel great when
Speaker 3: we talked about George January. Just I've gotten into a
Speaker 3: longer routine of cutting back on drinking that I probably
Speaker 3: ever have in years previous, So that is actually great.
Speaker 3: Sabine stays on my vision board. I'm actually trying to
Speaker 3: get her into running. I'm leaving here today and picking
Speaker 3: her up some new running shoes, some new balance, yeah,
Speaker 3: and I got some relationship goals. I guess I would
Speaker 3: put up on that board as well. Maybe both the
Speaker 3: visual will be I don't know, a little chapel or something.
Speaker 1: Come on your co everybody got like really.
Speaker 3: Quiet call in my call you too.
Speaker 1: You know it's funny. Is Carmen Carmen not a question
Speaker 1: for us? She just said she just wants us to
Speaker 1: get married.
Speaker 3: Isn't the time of our commercer.
Speaker 1: B Yeah, and welcome back to the podcast. Uh So,
Speaker 1: last week I got a text from my mom on Thursday,
Speaker 1: I think, and she sent me a link to a
Speaker 1: story that made my jaw drop And there was some
Speaker 1: connections and that's why she sent it to me. To
Speaker 1: the University of Georgia and running two things that I love.
Speaker 1: I love my alma mater and I obviously we both
Speaker 1: love to run. And this awful story about Laken Hope Riley,
Speaker 1: who was murdered while she was running last week on
Speaker 1: a a in an area that I know all too well.
Speaker 1: At the University of Georgia. She attended UGA through the
Speaker 1: spring of twenty twenty three, and then she was going
Speaker 1: to nursing school at Augusta University College, which the campus
Speaker 1: is there in Athens, but she still was participating in
Speaker 1: Uga activities, so she was there on campus. And you know,
Speaker 1: it's so hard for me to read the story because
Speaker 1: she did everything right. You know, we talk about these
Speaker 1: stories when you're a runner, and you're a woman, especially,
Speaker 1: you get this pit in your stomach when you hear
Speaker 1: about someone suffering any kind of harm when they're just
Speaker 1: doing something to improve their life and improve their body,
Speaker 1: feel the freedom of your own fitness, and it's just
Speaker 1: so just heartrending to hear these types of stories. But
Speaker 1: she did everything right. It was in the morning. She
Speaker 1: was on a trail that was next to the intramural
Speaker 1: fields there at Uga where lots of games and activities
Speaker 1: are going on now. She was on a wooded path,
Speaker 1: and you know those are always a little scary. I
Speaker 1: think sometimes when I've done it, I think maybe this
Speaker 1: is done. But you never think it's going to happen
Speaker 1: to you. She told her friends where she was going.
Speaker 1: She always wore her Apple Watch, where I had her
Speaker 1: location on her phone. She had her friends who could
Speaker 1: see her location. And then when she didn't come back
Speaker 1: when she normally would have her friend immediately called police.
Speaker 1: So you just look at everything that happened and you
Speaker 1: just feel sick because she did everything right and still
Speaker 1: the unthinkable happened. And you know, it's just a story
Speaker 1: that shook me because it's always a reminder as a runner,
Speaker 1: and as a female runner, what's out there potentially. But
Speaker 1: then this story, as I was following along, just took
Speaker 1: a turn. And these are the stories that are tough
Speaker 1: because you've got a victim, you've got the victim's family,
Speaker 1: you've got real pain and real tragedy. And then some
Speaker 1: stories get politicized, and this is one of them. I
Speaker 1: know you've been reading up on it as well, TJ.
Speaker 3: I mean, the look the politics of it are not
Speaker 3: going to touch that, but it's there. There have been
Speaker 3: a lot of names, is that some people even remember,
Speaker 3: because maybe Molly Tippets might be the first one that
Speaker 3: comes to mind out of Iowa. She was twenty eighteen, maybe,
Speaker 3: But they are not that frequent, but when they happen,
Speaker 3: they get a lot of attention, and they are always reminders,
Speaker 3: and people argue that we're having the wrong conversation and
Speaker 3: we're directing it to the wrong group of folks. Like
Speaker 3: we're directing it to women what they're doing right and
Speaker 3: what they're doing wrong. If you want to go outside
Speaker 3: whenever you want to run, at any time a day
Speaker 3: or night, you should be able to be safe in
Speaker 3: doing it. And there's not enough talk and the direction
Speaker 3: of the penalties for what a lot of times stalking
Speaker 3: these women, preying on these women, but oftentimes there are
Speaker 3: just crimes of opportunity. So ha, you do everything right
Speaker 3: and everything still goes wrong. It is a tall It's
Speaker 3: always should be a reminder. But that's a tough one.
Speaker 3: In the debate over this conversation, we've continued.
Speaker 1: To yeh yeah, and the one of the conversations has
Speaker 1: been yes, to put the onus on the woman is unfair.
Speaker 1: But the reality is when you when you are a
Speaker 1: woman and you are a runner, you do, but people
Speaker 1: like you shouldn't dress a certain way, you should never
Speaker 1: be alone, you shouldn't wear you know, headphones or air
Speaker 1: pods or air buds, all of those things you know
Speaker 1: can can increase your chances of staying safe. But this
Speaker 1: is one of those things that really really shook me
Speaker 1: and I I know, and I just wanted to to
Speaker 1: say something to her family, just just how awful it
Speaker 1: is and how much our hearts are with her and
Speaker 1: everyone in that campus, because everyone described her as just
Speaker 1: you know this she was going to be a nurse.
Speaker 1: I mean, we know nurses are some of the greatest
Speaker 1: people on the planet. They are you know, people who
Speaker 1: are there to take care of each other and to
Speaker 1: take care of one another, and so just for this
Speaker 1: to happ into her is just really really really outrageous.
Speaker 1: But for me, and I know you didn't want to
Speaker 1: touch the politics, but I think what bothered me now
Speaker 1: is you've got this real tragedy. And by the way, police,
Speaker 1: you know, caught the man right away. There were cameras
Speaker 1: to the University of George's credit, there are security cameras
Speaker 1: all around campus, and so they were able to identify
Speaker 1: and actually you know, see the person who committed this
Speaker 1: crime and were able to arrest him almost immediately, very quickly.
Speaker 1: The problem is the man who was arrested is an
Speaker 1: undocumented migrant, and so now in a presidential year where
Speaker 1: everyone's pointing the fingers and trying to get you know,
Speaker 1: attention for their causes, this has now become a political firestorm.
Speaker 1: And so we've seen these types of things happen where
Speaker 1: you have a you know, a personal tragedy and it
Speaker 1: becomes this political lightning rod. And so it's just been
Speaker 1: tough to watch all the back and forth and the
Speaker 1: finger pointing, and then there's the concern of backlash in
Speaker 1: the Latino community. So I was just reading up on
Speaker 1: this and just just wanted to express my frustration at
Speaker 1: just how certain stories are politicized. And we see it
Speaker 1: happen all the time, but in newsrooms there's always been
Speaker 1: a question as to how to cover it, when to
Speaker 1: cover it, and who to cover, Who's who's speaking the loudest,
Speaker 1: and who has a good point to make. But it's
Speaker 1: just been it's been a tough situation to read and
Speaker 1: to hear. And the funeral is this week. I know
Speaker 1: that there is a visual today too at the University
Speaker 1: of Georgia campus. But just a reminder to everyone out
Speaker 1: there about just checking in with friends and making sure
Speaker 1: that you do everything you can to protect yourself when
Speaker 1: you when you go out on a run. I do
Speaker 1: think unfortunately the onus is on women. You know, I
Speaker 1: have been out with you and I've wanted to you know,
Speaker 1: we've gone on a run and I'm like, I can't run,
Speaker 1: it's it's dark and I'm alone, and so we just
Speaker 1: you know, it's one of those things where you have
Speaker 1: to make certain choices as a runner, but it's this
Speaker 1: is just a difficult, difficult story for everyone involved.
Speaker 3: So the honest is on, please mind you. There's no
Speaker 3: anybody I care about that's going out on a run
Speaker 3: on her own that I wouldn't say, make sure you're
Speaker 3: not covering your ears, make sure you dress. Yes, I would,
Speaker 3: I absolutely, And I think we all should take responsibility
Speaker 3: for make sure we do all we can to protect ourselves.
Speaker 3: I think the debate it's Adidas who's done some great
Speaker 3: work on this. That survey they put out that ninety
Speaker 3: two percent of women in their survey, ninety two percent
Speaker 3: said that they actually do feel unsafe or have taken
Speaker 3: measures to protect themselves. A forty percent said they actually
Speaker 3: have been either verbally or physically harassed out in the run.
Speaker 3: But the thing that got me was sixty two percent
Speaker 3: of men acknowledged that, yes, this is a problem for women,
Speaker 3: but then only eighteen percent of the men felt like
Speaker 3: the onus was on the men to help in the costs.
Speaker 3: They put it solely on the women to protect themselves.
Speaker 3: And that was a striking number to hear how much
Speaker 3: men feel we are removed from responsibility in helping and
Speaker 3: making sure that women are safe out there when they're
Speaker 3: running alone. But look up Ridiculous Run if you can.
Speaker 3: Did you see that video from Adidas. It's called Ridiculous
Speaker 3: Run and it's short, but it shows women running at
Speaker 3: night and they're running, but there's two cars with their
Speaker 3: headlights on behind them. There's a motorcycle on each side.
Speaker 3: There's somebody riding the horse. They're showing that this is
Speaker 3: how ridiculous it is for a woman to feel safe
Speaker 3: while she's running. Wow, and it is ridiculous. But it's
Speaker 3: just to your point. To that young lady on campus. Again,
Speaker 3: it doesn't happen a lot, but Sydney Sutherland and Arkansas,
Speaker 3: same thing happened to her. Eliza Fletcher, the teacher out
Speaker 3: of Memphis in twenty twenty two. A lot of people
Speaker 3: will remember this happens, but it's just the crimes of opportunity.
Speaker 3: So I wouldn't let you. I mean, I do it stupidly,
Speaker 3: and I've been criticized over the oh I say criticized,
Speaker 3: but I could run it too in the morning.
Speaker 1: Three you do I run with you at three o'clock
Speaker 1: when we're only with you at three o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 3: That's dumb as a guy. You shouldn't. I mean, I
Speaker 3: got doesn't do like Holy hell. But you also know
Speaker 3: something I always do. I run with one AirPod in.
Speaker 3: I want to always be aware of what's around me
Speaker 3: day or night, who I'm with. I always do that
Speaker 3: tell I do on the subway here in New York.
Speaker 3: And I think that what are the things they tell
Speaker 3: women to do? That something? The hair? Are you supposed
Speaker 3: to keep it up right?
Speaker 1: So you can't be if you have a ponytail, then
Speaker 1: someone can pull and grab and that has happened before.
Speaker 1: So yes, you're supposed to either have a hat on
Speaker 1: and have your hair tucked in so they okay.
Speaker 3: But the clothing is supposed to be tight and not loose. Yep, right, yep,
Speaker 3: same thing for exactly.
Speaker 1: It's crazy when you're getting dressed as a woman that
Speaker 1: you have to think about those things. But the more
Speaker 1: and more stories and unfortunately you know you say they
Speaker 1: are rare, and they are, of course, but when they
Speaker 1: do happen, it's it's so unnerving because these women aren't
Speaker 1: doing anything wrong. I mean, I think that's the thing
Speaker 1: that just I've never when I'm running, no matter what's
Speaker 1: going on in my life, like I'll get emotional about it.
Speaker 1: I feel free, I feel powerful. Even when I'm having
Speaker 1: a bad run, I still feel my own strength, and
Speaker 1: it's just for there's an emotional and physical connection to running,
Speaker 1: and as a woman to be able sometimes to go
Speaker 1: out and do it on your own feels so empowering.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I don't run alone that much because these types of
Speaker 1: stories do scare me into not wanting to do that.
Speaker 1: Picking the time of day I run, picking where I run.
Speaker 1: Here in New York City, there's so many people around.
Speaker 1: I don't really ever feel nervous. I would on the
Speaker 1: West Side Highway, you know, before it turns light outside,
Speaker 1: I would be nervous. And I have run there with
Speaker 1: you and then with some girlfriends. But even with my
Speaker 1: two girlfriends, I went running like at six am one
Speaker 1: morning before maybe even five point thirty, and it was
Speaker 1: I felt I felt nervous even with two girlfriends next
Speaker 1: to me. So it is something that we always have
Speaker 1: to think about. I'm curious because you said that you
Speaker 1: I mean, I know you only run with one AirPod
Speaker 1: because you want to be aware, which is so smart.
Speaker 1: And I have done that a couple of times too.
Speaker 1: But when I'm with you, I do feel safe, so
Speaker 1: I don't feel as the onus is on me to
Speaker 1: not do that. But have you ever felt unsafe when
Speaker 1: you're running, you know what? Not?
Speaker 3: I think in other cities. I used to travel around
Speaker 3: a lot for work and have to get up in
Speaker 3: the morning and running at four or five, and there's
Speaker 3: some places you don't want to get stuck in certain cities,
Speaker 3: and I've done that, and I've felt unsafe and even
Speaker 3: stupid for running. Here in the ark, I think, I
Speaker 3: know you know the route so well, and I don't
Speaker 3: do it as much anymore, but just know the routes
Speaker 3: and so familiar that I don't usually feel unsafe, and
Speaker 3: I can understand. I can be out sometimes and there's
Speaker 3: just there might be a lone woman that I'm running
Speaker 3: up behind, or she's coming towards me. I will go
Speaker 3: out of my way to adjust myself in a certain
Speaker 3: way to make sure she feels comfortable. I never run up,
Speaker 3: but we might be running in the right lane I
Speaker 3: will distance myself and I'm about to pass her to
Speaker 3: make sure I don't sneak up on her or scare
Speaker 3: her or who knows where that comes from, and why
Speaker 3: if that's considered, if that's necessary. But I think about
Speaker 3: that all the time when I am out there running
Speaker 3: and there's no way. You told me you were getting
Speaker 3: up at five am, and I'm going to go take
Speaker 3: a run somewhere on the west anywhere in New York.
Speaker 3: But I would say, okay, I see in a little bit,
Speaker 3: no way.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because and I appreciate that my mom, and
Speaker 1: I think she feels good now that I have you
Speaker 1: as a running buddy, because I've been running since I
Speaker 1: was in my twenties. But I did I did stupid
Speaker 1: things when I was younger. And I say stupid just
Speaker 1: that you put yourself in a category where something could happen.
Speaker 1: Where I did run on wooded paths by myself. I
Speaker 1: did it upstate. I did it in Washington, d C.
Speaker 1: Along the Potomac, and I loved that feeling of being
Speaker 1: in the woods and being alone and running. But then
Speaker 1: you know, you start to hear these stories and it's
Speaker 1: just it's it's too much of a gamble, too much
Speaker 1: of a risk to put yourself in. But I will
Speaker 1: say it's one. It was one of my favorite things
Speaker 1: to do was to run in the woods like that.
Speaker 1: But you know, you hear that, and it's you know,
Speaker 1: we love our horror movies, and so you just start
Speaker 1: to think, you know what, you know, the chances are slim,
Speaker 1: but I'm definitely in increasing my chances of something happening
Speaker 1: if I do this. So you just change your route
Speaker 1: and change your path. But it's funny when you mentioned
Speaker 1: traveling for work, I'd be alone, you know, and in
Speaker 1: smaller cities. I remember the most afraid I ever was
Speaker 1: was in Nebraska when I was I was running and
Speaker 1: there was no one in sight, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: someone's coming towards me. I'm on these train tracks and
Speaker 1: you just think, what am I doing? This isn't worth it.
Speaker 1: So it's just it's another reminder that unfortunately, as women,
Speaker 1: we have to we have to put ourselves in a
Speaker 1: different category in terms of preparation. I'm curious you always
Speaker 1: run behind me. Is that strategic on your part?
Speaker 3: That's a mind game I'm playing, it really is. It's
Speaker 3: because if you're running behind me. I will end up
Speaker 3: running at my pace, and which is a pace that
Speaker 3: might be a little.
Speaker 1: Quick for I will never see you again. You'll become
Speaker 1: a distant dot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because just like and I get it. Because when
Speaker 3: I run, when I'm behind you, you running for five miles.
Speaker 3: I could have collapsed five miles ago. You wouldn't know
Speaker 3: it because you don't ever look back.
Speaker 1: I do look back. I do. I do. Sometimes you
Speaker 1: don't look back.
Speaker 3: It's okay. And when I get that, when I have
Speaker 3: at times led us in the runs, I don't look back.
Speaker 1: There have been times and we've gotten lost and separated
Speaker 1: because you've gone ahead and I can't catch up.
Speaker 3: Yes, so that is the strategy. That's not a safety strategy.
Speaker 3: That's why.
Speaker 1: The funny thing is everyone always because I ran first,
Speaker 1: or I was the I was the long distance runner
Speaker 1: before TJ, so everyone assumes that I'm the faster one
Speaker 1: or that I'm the stronger one. That is hilarious. You.
Speaker 1: I would love to see what your pr would be
Speaker 1: if you didn't choose to stay back with me.
Speaker 3: We may never know, because I still I appreciate I would.
Speaker 3: I would rather have a part in running than a
Speaker 3: pr in running, So that's not that's a non issue,
Speaker 3: and that's that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: That's very sweet.
Speaker 3: Oh but seriously, I could have done that plenty of time.
Speaker 3: Could have I could have kept going in this last
Speaker 3: New York City marathon while you were up chucking on
Speaker 3: the side of the road.
Speaker 1: Well we can we can talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: that after the break. How about that, right, It's a
Speaker 1: good tease and welcome back everyone, And I wanted to
Speaker 1: stay on the running thing because I just want to
Speaker 1: just talk about what an amazing part of life it
Speaker 1: can be. And no one should be deterred from any
Speaker 1: headlines that are out there about violence against women running
Speaker 1: and it's it's a reality, and it's it's a possibility,
Speaker 1: but it shouldn't deter you from from what you love.
Speaker 1: And this has been such an integral part of my
Speaker 1: life and such a big part of who I am
Speaker 1: and and honestly, like even my friends, like my friend
Speaker 1: group has been has evolved because of running, and that's
Speaker 1: a cool thing to be able to have a shared
Speaker 1: experience like that. I know you and I definitely grew
Speaker 1: closer closer because of running.
Speaker 3: M oh, there's no question about that, But yeah, you
Speaker 3: were what's the right word pestering, annoyance.
Speaker 1: Pressure, I put a lot of pressure on it.
Speaker 3: That was a nicer word, That was a nicer way
Speaker 3: to put it. But no, no, I was I was run.
Speaker 3: You got me into being a runner, not just running
Speaker 3: for exercise. I am a runner now because of you
Speaker 3: and all those training runs. And look, everybody's going through
Speaker 3: something in life. I was going through something in life.
Speaker 3: You were going through something, and running got us both
Speaker 3: both through a lot of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah. One of the questions that I got from the
Speaker 1: aforementioned DM was how did you start running? And why
Speaker 1: do you keep running? How did you? I don't even
Speaker 1: know the answer to this. How did you or when
Speaker 1: did you start running?
Speaker 3: Uh? It was just a matter of you, I mean,
Speaker 3: being around you and seeing you every day. Like you
Speaker 3: don't have to necessarily always say that. You don't have
Speaker 3: to come up with the right words to motivate somebody.
Speaker 3: Just lead by example and they will end up motivating themselves.
Speaker 3: And I was around you enough to see what you
Speaker 3: were doing and got curious about it, got curious about
Speaker 3: how I could push myself. And then once you start,
Speaker 3: you know, you go out for the first time today anybody,
Speaker 3: and all right, I'm gonna run a mile. You time
Speaker 3: yourself running a mile, and then time yourself again tomorrow,
Speaker 3: and then do it the next day, and then do
Speaker 3: it the next day. And what you're gonna find yourself
Speaker 3: doing is man, I can do better, I can do faster.
Speaker 3: And then what you're gonna find yourself doing next is man,
Speaker 3: I could do two today, and then the next thing is, oh,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm gonna go for three. And the next
Speaker 3: thing you say, well, you know where there's a five
Speaker 3: k happening locally, I'll enter. And that's how it got
Speaker 3: going for me. It was just keeping up with it
Speaker 3: and timing and challenging, and that's how I fell into it.
Speaker 1: But your first official race was a half marathon.
Speaker 3: Correct, Uh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty impressive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, new York City half of the Brook, the.
Speaker 1: New York City half. And then you know, people people
Speaker 1: always ask me because I think I got into running
Speaker 1: because my dad was a runner and I always saw
Speaker 1: him running, and I thought it's free. I didn't have
Speaker 1: a lot of money, I couldn't join a gym, and
Speaker 1: so I thought, well, I'm gonna do what he does.
Speaker 1: But what I think the biggest intimidation is getting started
Speaker 1: and that first mile, like if you haven't like running
Speaker 1: is not like riding a bicycle. Once you've done it,
Speaker 1: you can just keep doing it. If you stop or
Speaker 1: you don't stay in a pattern or a habit of it,
Speaker 1: it sucks when you start back up again because your
Speaker 1: body does not have muscle memory. It's like, what is
Speaker 1: this crap that you are putting me through right now?
Speaker 1: So my big thing was to just start with and
Speaker 1: someone told me this and I loved it. To start
Speaker 1: with a time, not a mile, so you don't feel like, oh,
Speaker 1: I didn't get a mile in or I didn't get
Speaker 1: two miles in. But to say I'm going to run
Speaker 1: for ten minutes, I'll see how far I get. And
Speaker 1: then the next day you just add a minute. And
Speaker 1: if you kind of give yourself that grace of just
Speaker 1: incrementally increasing the time that you're running, you'll find that
Speaker 1: it gets easier. And it does get easier. That's why
Speaker 1: I think maybe running every day for us not only
Speaker 1: was it great because I felt like I accomplished something,
Speaker 1: but you just are always feeling like you've got a
Speaker 1: fitness level where you can take it to the next
Speaker 1: level if you so choose.
Speaker 3: And you maybe think of something now. The timing is
Speaker 3: how I before I started running with you, I would do.
Speaker 3: There's a particular light post on the corner at the
Speaker 3: end of Broadway, just past the Wall Street Bull downtown.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, as that's specific. I would start
Speaker 3: at that, I literally touch that light post, take off
Speaker 3: running and go past this little spot that's right up
Speaker 3: behind Brookville Place. Mall touch that and come back.
Speaker 1: You touched it.
Speaker 3: I would always physically boom, come to the next one, boom,
Speaker 3: touch and turn around and go. And I was timing
Speaker 3: myself and doing that around fourteen minutes, and I kept
Speaker 3: doing it and getting the time down, down, down, down down.
Speaker 3: So to your point about the advice you got about running,
Speaker 3: it didn't have to be about distance. It can be
Speaker 3: about time. That's how I first started getting into it.
Speaker 3: So if that trick will help anybody else run the
Speaker 3: same route of any kind you want to, but time
Speaker 3: yourself doing it, and you'll start to challenge yourself about
Speaker 3: getting the time.
Speaker 1: Downe that's so cute. I didn't know that story. I
Speaker 1: love that. The other thing that I think it's so
Speaker 1: overwhelming is just look your body. Everything in your mind
Speaker 1: tells you stop. This is awful. But I think the
Speaker 1: biggest problem I did, I made, and I think most
Speaker 1: people do, is that we run too fast, like you
Speaker 1: think you're supposed to be in a race or running
Speaker 1: you know, at full speed. If you slow it way down,
Speaker 1: it's so much more enjoyable and then you can build
Speaker 1: this speed. But if you're if you're uncomfortable, you should
Speaker 1: slow down, like I think people think somehow it's it's
Speaker 1: not good enough or you're not really running. We pass
Speaker 1: people all the time who are you might say, barely running,
Speaker 1: but you're in my mind, I'm looking at them and
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, good for them. Way to go, oh, way
Speaker 1: to get out there and do it anyway, even if
Speaker 1: something hurts or you're not you know, speedy Gonzalez, as
Speaker 1: long as you're just taking one step in front of
Speaker 1: the other. And another thing is it's okay to walk,
Speaker 1: Like how many times in races do we see people
Speaker 1: walking They still completed the marathon they or the half
Speaker 1: marathon or whatever race you're in. So like walk up
Speaker 1: the hill, run down the hill, walk for two minutes,
Speaker 1: run for one minute, but you're still out there getting
Speaker 1: it done. I think a lot of people just feel like, well,
Speaker 1: if I can't do it this well or I can't
Speaker 1: feel good, then I'm not doing it at all, and
Speaker 1: it gets discouraging. So I just want to encourage people.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter how far you go, even how long
Speaker 1: you go, if you're walking and running at the same time,
Speaker 1: it's about getting out there and improving yourself and then
Speaker 1: little by little you'll be surprised at how your body responds.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's a huge thing. Like I
Speaker 1: never thought. I used to always say there's no way
Speaker 1: I could ever run a marathon ever. And my dad
Speaker 1: had run three, and he started in his fifties, by
Speaker 1: the way, so it's never too late to say. I
Speaker 1: want to say that much. He started running marathons in
Speaker 1: his fifties. My first marathon, I think I was forty five.
Speaker 1: So when I first did, I don't know if I've
Speaker 1: told the story. My first half marathon, I wouldn't even
Speaker 1: fully commit to. I said, I'll run half of the
Speaker 1: half marathon, I'll do a relay with my friend, and
Speaker 1: so doing that like just giving myself kind of signing
Speaker 1: up for it and doing it anyway, and then realizing
Speaker 1: I was stronger than I think. Isn't that something that
Speaker 1: we're all always looking to do to realize that we're
Speaker 1: stronger than we think? And I I just wanted to do it.
Speaker 1: Like just seeing so many of the questions you all
Speaker 1: sent were about running. It just got me thinking about
Speaker 1: just encouraging folks to just get started and just putting
Speaker 1: one foot in front of the other, and all these
Speaker 1: little tricks that we play. I mean, whether it's I
Speaker 1: listened to podcasts, listen to audio books. Music gets old
Speaker 1: after a while, but just having a friend to talk to.
Speaker 1: We had a talking run the other day.
Speaker 3: Uh one, not of eight hundred runs we've gone on.
Speaker 1: We talked, Yes, how did that run compare?
Speaker 3: I prefer because it makes the time go by. I
Speaker 3: realize this with I think we've told this Matt James.
Speaker 3: The first time I ever went for a run and
Speaker 3: had a conversation, he introduced me, like guys going the
Speaker 3: golf course in golf and have a business meeting, you
Speaker 3: can do the same thing while you're running. And he
Speaker 3: challenged me to well, he can challenge me. He said, hey, yeah,
Speaker 3: we can catch up while we're running. Five miles, What
Speaker 3: the what? And then I went out there and did it.
Speaker 3: And that's when you realize, oh, hell, I am in
Speaker 3: better shape than I thought. I am actually in a
Speaker 3: good place. And to you, to your point, you were
Speaker 3: just making the folks. You're always trying to push and
Speaker 3: challenge yourself and see what you are capable of. And
Speaker 3: that's the one thing about it I love. And now
Speaker 3: you talk about habits. You you get into the habit
Speaker 3: of running to the point where going two days without
Speaker 3: a run now feels like just blasphemous.
Speaker 1: It feels awful, right, Yeah, I mean I and I
Speaker 1: have to say too. We we talked about this, the
Speaker 1: treadmill thing. That has been tough.
Speaker 3: But I have gotten to best God.
Speaker 1: Who likes the treadmill? No one likes the treadmill.
Speaker 3: I think people mentally stronger than I am. It's a mine.
Speaker 3: It's totally a mind thing. Oh heays, like I can
Speaker 3: do the mind. That's not it at all. Obviously, you
Speaker 3: feel it'd be easier. You have a TV in front
Speaker 3: of you, you have all this, you're inside, the climate
Speaker 3: is controlled. You think it'd be an easier get me
Speaker 3: off this thing. And that was that I didn't We
Speaker 3: didn't break the streak that day, but that was one
Speaker 3: day that we were supposed to do an eight miler
Speaker 3: and I went downstairs on the treadmill. I got to
Speaker 3: four and said, to hell with this, and later on
Speaker 3: tried to get on the treadmill again to do the
Speaker 3: last four, got to two and said that with this.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it, but I think it's good
Speaker 1: for people to know that even someone who's run two
Speaker 1: marathons like yourself, can just say f this after two
Speaker 1: miles and quit right. I mean, I've had so many
Speaker 1: bad runs. I've had a lot of good runs, but
Speaker 1: I have had so many bad runs. I have cried
Speaker 1: and I'll just bring this back. So I've been struggling
Speaker 1: with nausea while running, which you've unfortunately been witnessed to, and.
Speaker 3: The law right away from it run in front of
Speaker 3: you or behind you. I'm getting it some way, but.
Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone else. I've been googling it.
Speaker 1: I would appreciate anyone who has any advice for me.
Speaker 1: But on the longer runs, I have been getting really,
Speaker 1: really nauseated, and to the point where TJ has seen
Speaker 1: me have to go off into the bushes. Or find
Speaker 1: a tree, and it happened in the New York City marathon.
Speaker 1: So lost I think at least maybe almost as much
Speaker 1: as ten minutes on our finished time because I was sick.
Speaker 3: I'm going to edit that piece of this podcast out
Speaker 3: and use it over and over because there's a part
Speaker 3: where there where you said TJ has seen me go
Speaker 3: behind the bushes or behind a tree. I just want
Speaker 3: to use that audio clip or how I had to
Speaker 3: pee in the future for yes, what you were saying,
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 1: But here's something I think I've discovered it. I can't
Speaker 1: wait to try it out. I'm going to try it
Speaker 1: out of the half marathon. I have realized I always
Speaker 1: thought that I needed coffee in the morning because I'm
Speaker 1: a big coffee drinker before the run to kind of
Speaker 1: like jump start my metabolism get my body ready to
Speaker 1: go for the run. But I've stopped drinking it before
Speaker 1: a run, and so far I want to knock on wood.
Speaker 1: I have seen an improvement and that kind of makes sense.
Speaker 1: So I think the biggest challenge when you're doing these
Speaker 1: long distance ones is figuring out how to fuel, what
Speaker 1: to eat, and for me, how not to get sick.
Speaker 3: When I'm which benefits a lot of us.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and I do feel bad when my when
Speaker 1: I'm yucking. You're young?
Speaker 3: How does that apply here?
Speaker 1: Well, you're enjoying your run and then I yuck it up.
Speaker 1: By ah, there we go, by yak.
Speaker 3: Okay, it's fine, yucky young, by yaking.
Speaker 1: Okay, we haven't run today yet.
Speaker 3: Sorry, we'll get in. What if we don't? Not gonna
Speaker 3: beat myself up a bout, but I'm gonna. I'm going
Speaker 3: to try to, but I don't know if I can.
Speaker 3: I'll be busy celebrating Black History Monk, which is wrapping
Speaker 3: up here soon.
Speaker 2: And on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, happy, No, we should just encourage everyone to enjoy
Speaker 1: the rest of February, this lovely twenty nine day month
Speaker 1: this year around, Yes.
Speaker 3: And love to I hate the handle, not a down note,
Speaker 3: but your campus. They're just that whole community down there
Speaker 3: in Athens we talk about and I love the thing here.
Speaker 3: I'll want to say her full name every time, Lincoln
Speaker 3: Hope Riley. I love her name. That got so much attention.
Speaker 3: But the day before they're on the university campus, a
Speaker 3: young man, Wyatt Banks freshmen died by suicides and was
Speaker 3: found there in a dorm on campus. So back to
Speaker 3: back days, to have something like that happen. We've been
Speaker 3: on campuses that it really shakes the community to have
Speaker 3: anything traumatic like that happened. To have it back to
Speaker 3: back days, it's just kind of unthinkable. So it's unthinkable.
Speaker 3: So your home campus there sort of your hearts go
Speaker 3: out to.
Speaker 1: Them, sending love to everyone there in Athens and everyone
Speaker 1: who loved both of those incredible students. And I know,
Speaker 1: like I said, there's a vigil today for both of them,
Speaker 1: honestly to be honored and by the people who loved
Speaker 1: them and celebrated they lived. And and you know, the
Speaker 1: only way these we've covered these types of tragedies, there's
Speaker 1: there's no easy way. There's there's no you know, it's
Speaker 1: hard to even say there's a silver lining because it's
Speaker 1: it's so tragic. It's it's so awful to have two
Speaker 1: young people gone by the age of twenty two. It's
Speaker 1: it's really unthinkable for their families and friends. But seeing
Speaker 1: everyone come together and honor how they lived and just
Speaker 1: remembering to hug one another, to to love one another,
Speaker 1: to be grateful for the time we do have here,
Speaker 1: it's a game changer in just how you approach how
Speaker 1: you live each day and the choices you make and
Speaker 1: what you say to people and how you treat people.
Speaker 1: So I just I hope that there's some hope out
Speaker 1: there about how to live better and how to live differently.
Speaker 1: But we just want to, yeah, send our love and
Speaker 1: our support to the University of Georgia. Go dogs, and
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