WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: The Disappearance of Lauren Spierer 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.360 Thinking Sideways is not brought to you by Perry Mason, 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:08.360 Attorney at Claw. Instead, it's brought you by our listeners 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:10.880 because you guys are awesome and we wanted to tell 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:14.080 you you're awesome because we appreciate that you listen to 0:00:14.080 --> 0:00:36.800 the show. So on with the show. Thank you, Thank hey, guys. 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:40.159 Welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways the podcast I 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:45.440 Am Devin, joined this week by Go and Steve, and 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:49.559 today we're gonna talk about a mystery. Really cool. We're 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:52.519 gonna talk about a mysterious disappearance. We haven't done those 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:55.560 in a while. Actually we haven't. No, we haven't. Actually 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:58.160 I was kidding, but right, I know, I've been on 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:00.320 kind of a I don't want to talk about it streak, 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:03.960 but I'm ready to talk about it again. It's fine. 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:07.680 So this week we're going to talk about the disappearance 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:12.000 of Laurens Spear, who is It was a two thousand 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:16.040 and eleven disappearance from Bloomington, Indiana. We've heard of it. 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:17.800 It's kind of in the news a lot. It has 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:21.280 been in the news a lot. Yeah, well not not 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:24.039 just in the super recent news, but it just mass 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:27.680 it's five year anniversary, so it always gets the refresh. Yeah. Sorry, 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:30.440 when you hit those kind of anniversaries. Let's just dive 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:34.320 right in. Great Do you guys have more like banter 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:37.880 or anything? Flop out the beginning of this episode with So, 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:39.399 I was on the Internet the other day and I 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:42.720 found this thing. No, I never go on the internet, 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:46.679 you know that, Just Wikipedia? Okay. So Lauren was an 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:49.640 only child who grew up in an upper middle class 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:55.560 family in New York. She was four eleven which four 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:59.160 foot eleven inches, which I didn't bother to translate into 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:04.800 it's about streak kilometers. It's like five stones. Yeah, right there, 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:08.799 um and she waghed. She weighed just ninety pounds um. 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:11.120 And she was twenty years old when she disappeared. So 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:14.680 she's a very petite girl, very very petite. Yeah. She 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:18.720 was a sophomore at Indiana State University in Bloomington, Indiana, 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:24.440 the bad Bloomington. It went to school in Bloomington, Illinois 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:28.360 because there's a blooming to normal Indiana and a blooming 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:31.799 to Normal Illinois. Because nobody in the Midwest knows how 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:35.440 to creatively name places. Um, they're both like twin cities. 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:39.560 And I went to school in Bloomington, Illinois. Anyway, she 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:44.360 was studying textile merchandizing, which I know I've seen she 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:49.000 was planning on going into fashion with But my understanding 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:51.720 from that, from research of that degree is that's not 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:54.639 maybe the best degree. I was very confused when I 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:57.959 saw this in the not I mean, it's more it's 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:00.880 my understanding this is totally like doesn't matter to the 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:02.720 case all. But my understanding of that is that it's 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:08.000 more geared towards like interior design or textile development, not fashion. 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:11.200 But hey, whatever, maybe she wanted to design close are 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:14.400 made out of textiles. You never knowist maybe she just 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:16.400 had the wrong idea and school didn't want to steer 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:20.200 clear of that because they were making money. Yeah, by 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:24.960 all accounts, Lauren was a really great person. And though 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:28.760 some do suspect foul play, nobody suspects foul play in 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:30.880 the like because she had a bunch of enemies that 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:35.000 were out to get her type of thing unlikely or 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:39.800 a grudge or pre really premeditated in any way, so 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:41.920 kind of a crime of opportunity or of a crime 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:45.040 of opportunity. If there is indeed foul play involved in this, 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:48.040 I guess let's just jump right in and talk about timeline. 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:53.760 Kind a pretty decent timeline in this one, which isable timeline. Yeah, 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:56.880 and there's a lot of cameras that helps she was 0:03:57.040 --> 0:03:59.240 and but there's not you know, it's not like a 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:02.320 leading up in students, what's the what's the phrase? It's 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:06.600 um eventually up leading to the event, dating to the 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:09.240 event that we don't really have that. It's you know, 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:12.440 she was a normal college student student. She was very 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:16.279 involved in extracurricular activities until that night. Nobody, nobody would 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:18.359 have guessed what was going to happen. Yeah, this is 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:21.720 a Thursday night, right, It was a Thursday night, June third, 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:26.200 two eleven. I remember it well. I guess it was 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:32.719 June fourth, two thousand eleven, thousand eleven, because their timeline 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:35.719 starts I thought, I think good night thirty. Yeah, I 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:38.279 think it started Thursday night. Was Thursday was the second, 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:40.000 Not that this is that big of a deal, but 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:42.640 that Friday was the third, right, Okay, yeah, I know 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:48.560 you're right. Sorry, am on Thursday on Friday? Yeah, okay, 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:54.240 so twelve thirty am Friday morning, so we hours, so 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:57.279 wee hours, and you know, researching the story reminded me 0:04:57.320 --> 0:04:59.480 of how I'm actually an adult now because I read 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:01.280 that and it was that has to be a typo, 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:03.960 and like read three other places and I was like, dang, 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:08.120 that's no, that's real. So Lauren left her apartment to 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:12.920 go pregame at twelve thirty am midnight thirty am on Friday, 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:18.680 June eleven. She left her apartment at Smallwood Plaza and 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:23.320 she Meft left with her friend David Rone. They met 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:25.919 up with a friend um with like a bunch of 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:30.960 friends at Jay Rosenbaum's town house at the five North 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:36.160 town Homes. Yeah, it was pretty bunch of apartments. It's all, 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:39.279 I mean, everything kind of in Bloomington, Indiana is pretty 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:42.600 close to each other. It's all pretty walking distance. One 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:45.440 of the people that was there was a guy by 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:48.920 the name of Corey Rossman and his roommate whose name 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:52.000 is Mike beth Um. They both lived two doors down. 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:55.560 Her boyfriend Jesse did not go out that night. He 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:58.040 says they were texting all night until he went to bed. 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:00.960 I don't have any information as to what time he 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:04.839 went to bed. Yeah, I'm gonna say he said he 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:07.040 stayed up and watched the basketball game. I think it 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:09.480 was the Heat were in the championships if for some reason, 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:11.720 and he stayed up with his friends. Game was over, 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:13.800 they continued to drink at the apartment, and then he 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:16.640 went to bed, right, but allegedly it's I mean, it's 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:19.480 probably worth saying that nobody has any reason to doubt this. 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:24.839 And I think that cell towers corroborated, not that Bloomington 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:27.960 is so large that cell tower pining in one place 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:31.520 or another, you know, but um worth worth mentioning. And 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:35.000 so what everybody was doing the group that Lauren was 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:37.400 with was they were doing this pregaming thing, which I 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:40.360 have heard pre funk is what we used to call it. Yeah, 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:43.479 we always call it pregaming. But I've always heard this 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:47.200 described as like a weekly ritual or more more than 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:50.080 frequently than weekly, but that it was the same group 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:52.320 people would get together for the same thing on the 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:55.440 same night pretty much all the time. Thursty Thursdays is 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:59.120 you know a thing I remember, you know, when I 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:01.080 was in college, we I think we only had two 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:06.320 nights a week that didn't have designated drinking themes. That's 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:08.960 this sounds very familiar right for me. I swear it 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:12.040 was like Tuesday, Wednesday or Wednesday, Thursday something like that. 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:15.880 We had every night of the week. We had Beer 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:20.720 Club Tuesday, wine Wine Women Wednesday, and then Thirsty Thursdays, 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:23.120 and then Friday has always had a different theme in 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:25.200 Saturday has had different themes. So with Sunday Monday nights 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:27.560 were our only nights off, we came up with reasons 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:29.320 to drink those nights. Anyways, Joe and I used to 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:33.239 go out for anything can happened Mondays. That was actually 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:36.160 a good time. It sounds like fun. So there was 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:42.320 definitely drinking and allegedly drugs. Ostensibly drugs, I hope, so 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:46.280 um happening there as well. And again worth reminding people, 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:50.040 Lauren at this time is only twenty years old. Um, 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:54.480 and if you don't already know, the legal drinking age 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:59.480 in America is one. She was not everywhere some places 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:04.120 and there are a few places left. Drugs are not 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:09.480 not legal. Yeah yeah, so um that's just worth mentioning. 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:16.560 Pre game um at Jay's town house until about one 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:21.040 six am, which is when Corey and Lauren walk over 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:24.240 to Kilroy's Sports Bar, which was a local sports bar 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:28.760 that apparently wasn't really great at I d ing at night, 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:34.199 huge looked huge, freaking gigantic. Yeah, it looked really big, 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:36.600 and it looks like, again, you know, the kind of 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:40.160 like college place. I think they I don't know what 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:42.920 Indiana's law. Actually, we were just in Indiana, I don't 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:44.920 I don't know that I even looked up when they're 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:47.360 like beer a clock is, so we used to call 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:51.360 it beer clock whenever they stopped serving alcohol too. Um yeah, 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:53.080 that's when the hotel kicked us out of the bar. 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:57.520 It's too yeah great. Um so yeah, you know, they 0:08:57.600 --> 0:09:00.760 showed up pretty much like fifteen minutes before last call. 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:04.240 They had been pregaming already. But it sounds like that 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:07.800 was a pretty big place where people kind of hung out. 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:11.520 And just because the bar stops serving alcohol doesn't mean 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:14.000 they necessarily close, and I think that was the case 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:17.280 with Kilroy's. I never understood the wanting to go to 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:20.200 the bar just before it closed. Well I've done it, 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:23.199 don't get me wrong, but I never never could fathom 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:25.760 fund that. But there are places that have after hours 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:27.559 functions too, but for me, it was always like, you know, 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:31.360 there's no more booze, What the hell I'm leaving? Right? Yeah? 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:34.319 So I think in this instance it's likely that they 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:37.480 just got pretty sloppy about I deing. Later in the night, 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:40.240 it was like, all right, who's going to sneak in 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:42.360 for the last fifteen minutes. Well, she also had a 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:44.760 fake idea, I believe. Yeah, but I mean a fake 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:47.720 I D. You can still just because somebody has a fake, 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:49.840 I D do me. If you're good at I ding, 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:51.559 it means you should be able to catch a fake, 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:54.680 I D. I mean it's a college town. You know 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:57.600 you're not gonna be too, but you might be. And 0:09:57.640 --> 0:09:59.600 that I would just say, that would be a reason 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:02.480 that I could give for why she would go that late, 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:05.960 because she wanted one more Madori sour or you know, 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:08.760 I don't know, maybe there's like dancing happening there. I 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:11.400 don't know. Um, yeah, that thing has a bunch of 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:14.679 dance floors. Yeah. It is a one stop shop of 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:19.480 drinking and partying. And then at two am, Lauren has 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:23.400 seen exiting the bar with Corey. Lauren had left her 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:27.040 cell phone and her shoes at the bar. At the 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:29.000 shoes she had taken off, there was a part of 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:31.280 the patio again, one stop shop part of the patio 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:34.040 that was sandy. I think she was wearing she wasn't 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:38.200 wearing heels, but she would be some kind of something, yeah, 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:41.199 because it gets pretty hot in India, and she'd taken 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:43.840 them off to go walk out in the sand and 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:47.800 then just have a little volleyball there. Maybe they do. Actually, yeah, 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:49.640 I was confused by this, so I went to their 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:52.880 their Facebook page, and there's boatloads of photos of it, 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:55.280 and it's you know how there's that big green awning 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:57.320 in the front that you always seeing all the photos 0:10:57.360 --> 0:11:00.680 of it, like forty ft long or whatever. Just to 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:04.000 the right as a courtyard that's fenced in, and that 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:08.760 apparently they truck in sand to have stuff go on. 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:14.040 What was it that the event that I Malibouti party 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:17.440 was the photo album that I was looking at, So 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:21.480 that was very cleverly named. But yeah, no, it's right there. 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:24.079 They had volleyball. Sounds like a lot of fun. To 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:27.120 go back to college and go to Bloomington, and I'll say, 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:32.679 Illinois can the college that's there's vastly superior. So then 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:35.320 three minutes later, at to thirty am, Lauren is seen 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:40.120 entering Smallwood Plaza, which is where her apartment is, which 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:41.840 is by the way, just around the corner from the 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:45.680 bar practically, which she's got Corey with her. A group 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:50.360 of boys basically saw her and Corey and the it 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:54.240 kind of differs a little bit. Basically, they they noticed 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:57.120 that she was in bad shape and asked her because 0:11:57.120 --> 0:11:58.760 they knew, you know, everybody kind of knew each other, 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:01.080 and asked her like Harry okay, and she said, yeah, 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:05.480 I'm fine. But apparently at the same time, Corey gotten 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:09.199 an altercation with the same group of guys, and the 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:12.360 reporting that I've heard is that they didn't like the 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:17.319 way that Corey was treating Lauren, whether that be like handling, 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:22.079 like touching, acting around, well, you know whatever if if 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:24.640 you're a guy, well, I think the guy that that 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:27.280 he had the altercation was with Zach Oaks, who was 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:31.959 a friend of j J. A boyfriend. Yeah, And of course, 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:33.840 you know, when you're a guy and you see this 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:37.680 girl and she's hammered, which apparently by our reports, she was, 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:40.480 as some strangers like taking her off to her apartment, 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:42.400 you make the assumption that, well, he's you know, take her, 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:44.920 taken her back there to take advantage of her, So 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:46.600 he might not have been mishandling it at all. You 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:48.600 just make the automatic assumption, Hey, this guy is gonna 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:51.240 do what I would do. I don't like that. Apparently 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:54.920 smarted off to him. That could have been it too. Yeah. 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:58.680 So what happened during this altercation, though, is they did 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:02.040 it did it was a physical altercation. What happened is 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:07.560 Zach hit Corey in the head, punched him. Yeah, apparently 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:10.280 knocked him to the flora. Yeah. I don't know that 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:12.360 that would have been too hard of a thing to 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:14.120 do to Corey at that point, because he was also 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:17.240 pretty intoxicated. I don't think he was in a great 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:20.360 shape anyway. But from that I am going to use 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:25.040 the word ostensibly I think it really fits here. Ostensibly 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:31.160 Corey lost the fifteen minutes prior to this altercation and 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:33.599 the rest of his memory for the rest of the 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:36.040 night until he woke up the next morning. I will 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:39.160 also say that it may not have been the blow 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:43.479 to the head, that he may have been so saucy 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:47.600 that nothing was being recorded by more, he just doesn't 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:49.679 want to tell people what was being recorded by its 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:52.840 pretty convenient, pretty convenient excuse. Some people are a little 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:57.040 suspicious for whatever reason. I don't really know why. But 0:13:57.160 --> 0:13:59.960 at this point Lauren and Corey decided to go back 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:04.000 to Corey's house, because Lauren did eventually when we'll talk 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:06.320 about this in a minute, but she did eventually misplace 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:09.800 her keys, but it wasn't until after they left her apartment, 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:12.199 so it wasn't I don't think they ever actually got 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:14.079 into her apartment. They were just in the building and 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:16.679 looked after that SmackDown, they got up to the fifth 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:20.480 floor actually where her apartment was, and that's why they 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:22.920 had the altercation. Instead of just going to her apartment, 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:24.960 they turned around. That's what I'm saying. It's a really 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:27.240 weird because I mean, obviously that's a good reason to like, 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:30.040 you know, forget just everything you knew, which is what 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:33.440 Corey did, because that is a little inexplicable. Yeah, I 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:37.320 I totally agree with that. I think it's it's weird 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:40.520 um drunk logic. I don't know if it's drunk logic 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:45.440 or what. Necessarily, and again we don't really have Corey 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:47.960 is the only person who can tell us what really happened, 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:50.040 because it seems to me that that group of boys 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:54.640 had that altercation and then left and you know, probably 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:57.240 assuming that Lauren was just gonna go like they were 0:14:57.320 --> 0:14:59.200 right outside of her apartment. She was probably going to 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:01.880 go right in and but she didn't. Actually, I have 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:05.280 a theory, but it crosses in slander. Okay, Well we'll 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:08.600 talk about that in theories. How's that Okay? At to 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:12.040 forty eight am. So the altercation took a little while, 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:14.360 this whole situation that happened in the apartments. Yeah, I 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:16.360 heard that they were there in the apartment building for 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:19.640 about twelve minutes. Uh. Yeah, I think she was caught. 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:21.800 I think they were caught on tape leaving the apartment 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:29.880 is when they were seen leaving the apartment, So they 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:33.960 were eighteen minutes ish. So they left the apartment and 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:38.600 Lauren and Corey entered an alleyway that runs between College 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:42.280 Avenue and Morton Street. There's some security cameras nearby. There's 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:44.760 lots of security cameras in Bloomington's that caught a lot 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:47.560 of footage of her. And I will just say that 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:50.200 one of the frustrations with this case is that the 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:53.480 police have and we'll talk about this probably a little 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:55.040 bit more and a little bit, but the police have 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:58.600 for whatever reason, chosen not to release the majority of 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:02.560 the tapes, which you know, is kind of weird, but finally, 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:09.240 so the security camera mounted on the apartments show her 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:13.880 and Corey exit the alley at to fifty one am 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:16.600 and walked towards an empty lot. A woman came forward 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:19.200 as a witness, and I don't have a good beat 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:23.840 on when exactly this one instance happened, but then the 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:27.240 following instance happened, um after they had left the alley 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:29.920 way and talking about the sitting portion. Yeah, okay, So 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:33.480 this witness came forward and she was leaving um quote 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:36.680 unquote visiting a male friend. We all know what that 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:40.480 actually means. And she said that she saw Lauren and 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:45.640 Corey sitting on some stairs and the young girl her words, 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:48.920 young girl, which is easy. Laura was so small that 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:51.440 or Lauren was so small that it would have been 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:54.160 easy to mistake her for a young girl. The young 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:56.120 girl tipped over and hit her head, and the woman 0:16:56.120 --> 0:17:01.240 said that it was a really really loud noise over backwards. Correct, Yeah, 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:04.640 that's what there. It is like fell backwards and constantly 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:07.320 just lost her balance and just and there were concrete 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:10.440 steps to also, by the way, from what I heard, Yeah, yeah, 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:13.679 that's that's seriously intoxicated. Yeah, I mean, because if you 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.199 don't try to catch yourself or turn or anything. And 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:20.080 I've had friends who were so intoxicated they face planted 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:22.639 on the sidewalk and everybody said they didn't do anything, 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:25.400 they just went straight down. Well Lauren did that later. Yeah, 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:27.600 that's that's what I'm sitting and that and this it's 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:31.320 like that's a real indicator of her blood alcohol level. Yeah, 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:34.439 but I think that incident happened in the alleyway. Is 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:36.840 My sense is that like there were you know, stairs 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:38.879 into the alleyway, and that they had set because it 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:41.240 took them a really long time to get through the 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:45.080 alleyway basically that specific alleyway. So I'm guessing that they 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:47.920 sat down and then the women saw them in blah blah. 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:50.000 But again I don't really know when that happens. But 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:53.159 after they left the alleyway, they were walking down a 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:58.760 different alleyway, lots of alleyways, and there were the investigators 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:03.360 talk about Lauren uh falling forward and hitting her head 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:06.880 like she didn't even put her hands up in the alleyway. Um, 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:10.119 and then Corey helped her up and then um, they 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:12.280 got a couple of steps and then she just like crumpled. 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:15.320 Is the term that people use mostly where she just 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:19.320 you know, fell again. Corey picks her up again and 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:22.200 for whatever reason, takes her to the apartment of four 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:25.040 girls they've been parting with earlier. Um, that was like 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:28.480 right there, but nobody was home. I don't really know. 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:31.280 I don't understand the logic of a lot of these 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:33.520 things that were happening. I mean drunk logic, sure, but 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:36.680 it don't like they didn't Lauren didn't live that far 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:39.720 away from Corey. It was just like a couple of blocks. 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:41.879 So I don't really know why they went to this 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:47.199 girl's apartments. If Corey figures if she's this fall down drunk, 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:49.600 he's not going to want to go back to the 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:52.120 apartment complex that she lives in because he's already got 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:55.000 his clock cleaned ones. So he's gonna try and find 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:57.680 somebody else to offload her on because right now she's 0:18:57.720 --> 0:19:03.439 being a total drag. Um. Yeah, so he there were 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:06.199 cameras that caught he and Lauren going up into this 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:10.400 apartment building. Um, the four girls were reportedly not home, 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:15.560 So there are also cameras obviously of them leaving, and 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:20.119 when they're leaving, Corey's carrying Lauren. At this point but 0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:23.480 he's got her. I really can't find the right way 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:26.439 to describe this, like a fireman's car. He's kind of 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:30.640 wearing her like a cape, honestly, kind of yeah, where 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:34.359 her arms are just around his neck and forward, and 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:38.359 she is draped across his back. Yeah, she's just laying 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:41.440 and her legs are towards the ground but short enough 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:43.800 that they don't I don't think the fireman's carry was 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:48.119 over the shoulder facing backwards. Yeah, yeah, and so well 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:50.440 I thought it was kind of draped over both shoulders. Yeah, 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:55.359 well that's so, but that's the best way to get 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:58.280 that's not the firearms were. Yeah, her arms were over 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:01.960 his shoulder and he was just holding them, and then 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:04.080 she was just raped down the rest of his body. 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:07.000 But like I said, she was tiny, so she wasn't 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:10.439 dragging on the floor or anything like that. His lawyers, 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:13.600 I think it's his lawyers. I don't actually know. I 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:17.520 watched this interview. Well, I watched this interview with these 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:22.680 two lawyers who look like total skis balls, and I 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:26.920 couldn't figure out. They just said who their names were, 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:29.439 and I googled them, and I couldn't figure out. I 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:33.040 think they're his lawyers. They're lawyers of the defense of 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:36.280 some kind, and they have a very good timeline of 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:38.520 some more eyewitness counts and things like that, and that's 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:42.680 where I got some of this information. But they said, uh, 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:46.520 that she was conscious at this point. Actually, to my 0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:49.600 point about them being kind of skis balls, the quote 0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:52.080 actually exactly is, oh, no, she was alive and well 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:56.919 at this point. Well maybe not well, but alive. Come on, 0:20:57.520 --> 0:21:00.320 So he sits her down. Corey sits Lauren down an 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:03.199 alcove of a building, which is the point where she 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:07.200 drops or otherwise loses her keys and her I d 0:21:07.480 --> 0:21:09.560 because I was found in like a little alcove in 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:13.360 an alley during the search for her. Then they head 0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:15.600 off to Corey's house at this time for real, and 0:21:15.680 --> 0:21:18.000 I don't know if he was carrying her, if she 0:21:18.080 --> 0:21:21.480 was walking at this point, I think he was carrying her. Again. 0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:25.399 His roommate Mike, who we talked about earlier, um was 0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:28.800 at home and still awake. Lucky for Corey, Mike sees 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:32.040 Lauren there. Um, But there hasn't been a whole lot 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:35.800 of elaboration on her state at this point. I haven't 0:21:35.840 --> 0:21:40.400 really ever seen again. The guys aren't talking. Really, they don't. 0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:42.920 They don't have a lot to say about. Let's let's 0:21:42.960 --> 0:21:46.200 clear up this right now. All all of the guys 0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:48.679 that we're going to talk about at Corey and then 0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:50.520 the other gentleman that we're all going to talk about, 0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:55.040 they all lawyered up right away. And some people pointed 0:21:55.080 --> 0:21:59.119 that as a sign of hiding something, and other people say, no, 0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:03.800 that's all being smart and protecting yourself. So that's why 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:08.240 why the the information is. This is where the information 0:22:08.280 --> 0:22:10.880 gets a little more sketchy totally because of that, because 0:22:11.920 --> 0:22:15.359 shut up, and you know again, it'd be great to 0:22:15.359 --> 0:22:17.879 be able to hear from Mike. You know. So Corey 0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:20.760 and Lauren got back to the apartment and Lauren was 0:22:20.960 --> 0:22:24.560 you know, drunk and high but like conscious and talking 0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:26.800 to me and you know, walked in on her own power, 0:22:26.960 --> 0:22:29.960 or Corey walked in with Lawrence slugged over his shoulder, 0:22:30.080 --> 0:22:33.600 dropped her and was like here she because I would 0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:36.160 love to know, you know, what kind of the circumstance 0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:39.359 was there. But anyway, Corey is also kind of a 0:22:39.400 --> 0:22:43.480 mess at this point. He's drunk and probably on a 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:48.080