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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways the podcast I
Speaker 1: Am Devin, joined this week by Go and Steve, and
Speaker 1: today we're gonna talk about a mystery. Really cool. We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about a mysterious disappearance. We haven't done those
Speaker 1: in a while. Actually we haven't. No, we haven't. Actually
Speaker 1: I was kidding, but right, I know, I've been on
Speaker 1: kind of a I don't want to talk about it streak,
Speaker 1: but I'm ready to talk about it again. It's fine.
Speaker 1: So this week we're going to talk about the disappearance
Speaker 1: of Laurens Spear, who is It was a two thousand
Speaker 1: and eleven disappearance from Bloomington, Indiana. We've heard of it.
Speaker 1: It's kind of in the news a lot. It has
Speaker 1: been in the news a lot. Yeah, well not not
Speaker 1: just in the super recent news, but it just mass
Speaker 1: it's five year anniversary, so it always gets the refresh. Yeah. Sorry,
Speaker 1: when you hit those kind of anniversaries. Let's just dive
Speaker 1: right in. Great Do you guys have more like banter
Speaker 1: or anything? Flop out the beginning of this episode with So,
Speaker 1: I was on the Internet the other day and I
Speaker 1: found this thing. No, I never go on the internet,
Speaker 1: you know that, Just Wikipedia? Okay. So Lauren was an
Speaker 1: only child who grew up in an upper middle class
Speaker 1: family in New York. She was four eleven which four
Speaker 1: foot eleven inches, which I didn't bother to translate into
Speaker 1: it's about streak kilometers. It's like five stones. Yeah, right there,
Speaker 1: um and she waghed. She weighed just ninety pounds um.
Speaker 1: And she was twenty years old when she disappeared. So
Speaker 1: she's a very petite girl, very very petite. Yeah. She
Speaker 1: was a sophomore at Indiana State University in Bloomington, Indiana,
Speaker 1: the bad Bloomington. It went to school in Bloomington, Illinois
Speaker 1: because there's a blooming to normal Indiana and a blooming
Speaker 1: to Normal Illinois. Because nobody in the Midwest knows how
Speaker 1: to creatively name places. Um, they're both like twin cities.
Speaker 1: And I went to school in Bloomington, Illinois. Anyway, she
Speaker 1: was studying textile merchandizing, which I know I've seen she
Speaker 1: was planning on going into fashion with But my understanding
Speaker 1: from that, from research of that degree is that's not
Speaker 1: maybe the best degree. I was very confused when I
Speaker 1: saw this in the not I mean, it's more it's
Speaker 1: my understanding this is totally like doesn't matter to the
Speaker 1: case all. But my understanding of that is that it's
Speaker 1: more geared towards like interior design or textile development, not fashion.
Speaker 1: But hey, whatever, maybe she wanted to design close are
Speaker 1: made out of textiles. You never knowist maybe she just
Speaker 1: had the wrong idea and school didn't want to steer
Speaker 1: clear of that because they were making money. Yeah, by
Speaker 1: all accounts, Lauren was a really great person. And though
Speaker 1: some do suspect foul play, nobody suspects foul play in
Speaker 1: the like because she had a bunch of enemies that
Speaker 1: were out to get her type of thing unlikely or
Speaker 1: a grudge or pre really premeditated in any way, so
Speaker 1: kind of a crime of opportunity or of a crime
Speaker 1: of opportunity. If there is indeed foul play involved in this,
Speaker 1: I guess let's just jump right in and talk about timeline.
Speaker 1: Kind a pretty decent timeline in this one, which isable timeline. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of cameras that helps she was
Speaker 1: and but there's not you know, it's not like a
Speaker 1: leading up in students, what's the what's the phrase? It's
Speaker 1: um eventually up leading to the event, dating to the
Speaker 1: event that we don't really have that. It's you know,
Speaker 1: she was a normal college student student. She was very
Speaker 1: involved in extracurricular activities until that night. Nobody, nobody would
Speaker 1: have guessed what was going to happen. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: a Thursday night, right, It was a Thursday night, June third,
Speaker 1: two eleven. I remember it well. I guess it was
Speaker 1: June fourth, two thousand eleven, thousand eleven, because their timeline
Speaker 1: starts I thought, I think good night thirty. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it started Thursday night. Was Thursday was the second,
Speaker 1: Not that this is that big of a deal, but
Speaker 1: that Friday was the third, right, Okay, yeah, I know
Speaker 1: you're right. Sorry, am on Thursday on Friday? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so twelve thirty am Friday morning, so we hours, so
Speaker 1: wee hours, and you know, researching the story reminded me
Speaker 1: of how I'm actually an adult now because I read
Speaker 1: that and it was that has to be a typo,
Speaker 1: and like read three other places and I was like, dang,
Speaker 1: that's no, that's real. So Lauren left her apartment to
Speaker 1: go pregame at twelve thirty am midnight thirty am on Friday,
Speaker 1: June eleven. She left her apartment at Smallwood Plaza and
Speaker 1: she Meft left with her friend David Rone. They met
Speaker 1: up with a friend um with like a bunch of
Speaker 1: friends at Jay Rosenbaum's town house at the five North
Speaker 1: town Homes. Yeah, it was pretty bunch of apartments. It's all,
Speaker 1: I mean, everything kind of in Bloomington, Indiana is pretty
Speaker 1: close to each other. It's all pretty walking distance. One
Speaker 1: of the people that was there was a guy by
Speaker 1: the name of Corey Rossman and his roommate whose name
Speaker 1: is Mike beth Um. They both lived two doors down.
Speaker 1: Her boyfriend Jesse did not go out that night. He
Speaker 1: says they were texting all night until he went to bed.
Speaker 1: I don't have any information as to what time he
Speaker 1: went to bed. Yeah, I'm gonna say he said he
Speaker 1: stayed up and watched the basketball game. I think it
Speaker 1: was the Heat were in the championships if for some reason,
Speaker 1: and he stayed up with his friends. Game was over,
Speaker 1: they continued to drink at the apartment, and then he
Speaker 1: went to bed, right, but allegedly it's I mean, it's
Speaker 1: probably worth saying that nobody has any reason to doubt this.
Speaker 1: And I think that cell towers corroborated, not that Bloomington
Speaker 1: is so large that cell tower pining in one place
Speaker 1: or another, you know, but um worth worth mentioning. And
Speaker 1: so what everybody was doing the group that Lauren was
Speaker 1: with was they were doing this pregaming thing, which I
Speaker 1: have heard pre funk is what we used to call it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we always call it pregaming. But I've always heard this
Speaker 1: described as like a weekly ritual or more more than
Speaker 1: frequently than weekly, but that it was the same group
Speaker 1: people would get together for the same thing on the
Speaker 1: same night pretty much all the time. Thursty Thursdays is
Speaker 1: you know a thing I remember, you know, when I
Speaker 1: was in college, we I think we only had two
Speaker 1: nights a week that didn't have designated drinking themes. That's
Speaker 1: this sounds very familiar right for me. I swear it
Speaker 1: was like Tuesday, Wednesday or Wednesday, Thursday something like that.
Speaker 1: We had every night of the week. We had Beer
Speaker 1: Club Tuesday, wine Wine Women Wednesday, and then Thirsty Thursdays,
Speaker 1: and then Friday has always had a different theme in
Speaker 1: Saturday has had different themes. So with Sunday Monday nights
Speaker 1: were our only nights off, we came up with reasons
Speaker 1: to drink those nights. Anyways, Joe and I used to
Speaker 1: go out for anything can happened Mondays. That was actually
Speaker 1: a good time. It sounds like fun. So there was
Speaker 1: definitely drinking and allegedly drugs. Ostensibly drugs, I hope, so
Speaker 1: um happening there as well. And again worth reminding people,
Speaker 1: Lauren at this time is only twenty years old. Um,
Speaker 1: and if you don't already know, the legal drinking age
Speaker 1: in America is one. She was not everywhere some places
Speaker 1: and there are a few places left. Drugs are not
Speaker 1: not legal. Yeah yeah, so um that's just worth mentioning.
Speaker 1: Pre game um at Jay's town house until about one
Speaker 1: six am, which is when Corey and Lauren walk over
Speaker 1: to Kilroy's Sports Bar, which was a local sports bar
Speaker 1: that apparently wasn't really great at I d ing at night,
Speaker 1: huge looked huge, freaking gigantic. Yeah, it looked really big,
Speaker 1: and it looks like, again, you know, the kind of
Speaker 1: like college place. I think they I don't know what
Speaker 1: Indiana's law. Actually, we were just in Indiana, I don't
Speaker 1: I don't know that I even looked up when they're
Speaker 1: like beer a clock is, so we used to call
Speaker 1: it beer clock whenever they stopped serving alcohol too. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: that's when the hotel kicked us out of the bar.
Speaker 1: It's too yeah great. Um so yeah, you know, they
Speaker 1: showed up pretty much like fifteen minutes before last call.
Speaker 1: They had been pregaming already. But it sounds like that
Speaker 1: was a pretty big place where people kind of hung out.
Speaker 1: And just because the bar stops serving alcohol doesn't mean
Speaker 1: they necessarily close, and I think that was the case
Speaker 1: with Kilroy's. I never understood the wanting to go to
Speaker 1: the bar just before it closed. Well I've done it,
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, but I never never could fathom
Speaker 1: fund that. But there are places that have after hours
Speaker 1: functions too, but for me, it was always like, you know,
Speaker 1: there's no more booze, What the hell I'm leaving? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So I think in this instance it's likely that they
Speaker 1: just got pretty sloppy about I deing. Later in the night,
Speaker 1: it was like, all right, who's going to sneak in
Speaker 1: for the last fifteen minutes. Well, she also had a
Speaker 1: fake idea, I believe. Yeah, but I mean a fake
Speaker 1: I D. You can still just because somebody has a fake,
Speaker 1: I D do me. If you're good at I ding,
Speaker 1: it means you should be able to catch a fake,
Speaker 1: I D. I mean it's a college town. You know
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be too, but you might be. And
Speaker 1: that I would just say, that would be a reason
Speaker 1: that I could give for why she would go that late,
Speaker 1: because she wanted one more Madori sour or you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe there's like dancing happening there. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Um, yeah, that thing has a bunch of
Speaker 1: dance floors. Yeah. It is a one stop shop of
Speaker 1: drinking and partying. And then at two am, Lauren has
Speaker 1: seen exiting the bar with Corey. Lauren had left her
Speaker 1: cell phone and her shoes at the bar. At the
Speaker 1: shoes she had taken off, there was a part of
Speaker 1: the patio again, one stop shop part of the patio
Speaker 1: that was sandy. I think she was wearing she wasn't
Speaker 1: wearing heels, but she would be some kind of something, yeah,
Speaker 1: because it gets pretty hot in India, and she'd taken
Speaker 1: them off to go walk out in the sand and
Speaker 1: then just have a little volleyball there. Maybe they do. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was confused by this, so I went to their
Speaker 1: their Facebook page, and there's boatloads of photos of it,
Speaker 1: and it's you know how there's that big green awning
Speaker 1: in the front that you always seeing all the photos
Speaker 1: of it, like forty ft long or whatever. Just to
Speaker 1: the right as a courtyard that's fenced in, and that
Speaker 1: apparently they truck in sand to have stuff go on.
Speaker 1: What was it that the event that I Malibouti party
Speaker 1: was the photo album that I was looking at, So
Speaker 1: that was very cleverly named. But yeah, no, it's right there.
Speaker 1: They had volleyball. Sounds like a lot of fun. To
Speaker 1: go back to college and go to Bloomington, and I'll say,
Speaker 1: Illinois can the college that's there's vastly superior. So then
Speaker 1: three minutes later, at to thirty am, Lauren is seen
Speaker 1: entering Smallwood Plaza, which is where her apartment is, which
Speaker 1: is by the way, just around the corner from the
Speaker 1: bar practically, which she's got Corey with her. A group
Speaker 1: of boys basically saw her and Corey and the it
Speaker 1: kind of differs a little bit. Basically, they they noticed
Speaker 1: that she was in bad shape and asked her because
Speaker 1: they knew, you know, everybody kind of knew each other,
Speaker 1: and asked her like Harry okay, and she said, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm fine. But apparently at the same time, Corey gotten
Speaker 1: an altercation with the same group of guys, and the
Speaker 1: reporting that I've heard is that they didn't like the
Speaker 1: way that Corey was treating Lauren, whether that be like handling,
Speaker 1: like touching, acting around, well, you know whatever if if
Speaker 1: you're a guy, well, I think the guy that that
Speaker 1: he had the altercation was with Zach Oaks, who was
Speaker 1: a friend of j J. A boyfriend. Yeah, And of course,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're a guy and you see this
Speaker 1: girl and she's hammered, which apparently by our reports, she was,
Speaker 1: as some strangers like taking her off to her apartment,
Speaker 1: you make the assumption that, well, he's you know, take her,
Speaker 1: taken her back there to take advantage of her, So
Speaker 1: he might not have been mishandling it at all. You
Speaker 1: just make the automatic assumption, Hey, this guy is gonna
Speaker 1: do what I would do. I don't like that. Apparently
Speaker 1: smarted off to him. That could have been it too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So what happened during this altercation, though, is they did
Speaker 1: it did it was a physical altercation. What happened is
Speaker 1: Zach hit Corey in the head, punched him. Yeah, apparently
Speaker 1: knocked him to the flora. Yeah. I don't know that
Speaker 1: that would have been too hard of a thing to
Speaker 1: do to Corey at that point, because he was also
Speaker 1: pretty intoxicated. I don't think he was in a great
Speaker 1: shape anyway. But from that I am going to use
Speaker 1: the word ostensibly I think it really fits here. Ostensibly
Speaker 1: Corey lost the fifteen minutes prior to this altercation and
Speaker 1: the rest of his memory for the rest of the
Speaker 1: night until he woke up the next morning. I will
Speaker 1: also say that it may not have been the blow
Speaker 1: to the head, that he may have been so saucy
Speaker 1: that nothing was being recorded by more, he just doesn't
Speaker 1: want to tell people what was being recorded by its
Speaker 1: pretty convenient, pretty convenient excuse. Some people are a little
Speaker 1: suspicious for whatever reason. I don't really know why. But
Speaker 1: at this point Lauren and Corey decided to go back
Speaker 1: to Corey's house, because Lauren did eventually when we'll talk
Speaker 1: about this in a minute, but she did eventually misplace
Speaker 1: her keys, but it wasn't until after they left her apartment,
Speaker 1: so it wasn't I don't think they ever actually got
Speaker 1: into her apartment. They were just in the building and
Speaker 1: looked after that SmackDown, they got up to the fifth
Speaker 1: floor actually where her apartment was, and that's why they
Speaker 1: had the altercation. Instead of just going to her apartment,
Speaker 1: they turned around. That's what I'm saying. It's a really
Speaker 1: weird because I mean, obviously that's a good reason to like,
Speaker 1: you know, forget just everything you knew, which is what
Speaker 1: Corey did, because that is a little inexplicable. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: I totally agree with that. I think it's it's weird
Speaker 1: um drunk logic. I don't know if it's drunk logic
Speaker 1: or what. Necessarily, and again we don't really have Corey
Speaker 1: is the only person who can tell us what really happened,
Speaker 1: because it seems to me that that group of boys
Speaker 1: had that altercation and then left and you know, probably
Speaker 1: assuming that Lauren was just gonna go like they were
Speaker 1: right outside of her apartment. She was probably going to
Speaker 1: go right in and but she didn't. Actually, I have
Speaker 1: a theory, but it crosses in slander. Okay, Well we'll
Speaker 1: talk about that in theories. How's that Okay? At to
Speaker 1: forty eight am. So the altercation took a little while,
Speaker 1: this whole situation that happened in the apartments. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: heard that they were there in the apartment building for
Speaker 1: about twelve minutes. Uh. Yeah, I think she was caught.
Speaker 1: I think they were caught on tape leaving the apartment
Speaker 1: is when they were seen leaving the apartment, So they
Speaker 1: were eighteen minutes ish. So they left the apartment and
Speaker 1: Lauren and Corey entered an alleyway that runs between College
Speaker 1: Avenue and Morton Street. There's some security cameras nearby. There's
Speaker 1: lots of security cameras in Bloomington's that caught a lot
Speaker 1: of footage of her. And I will just say that
Speaker 1: one of the frustrations with this case is that the
Speaker 1: police have and we'll talk about this probably a little
Speaker 1: bit more and a little bit, but the police have
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, chosen not to release the majority of
Speaker 1: the tapes, which you know, is kind of weird, but finally,
Speaker 1: so the security camera mounted on the apartments show her
Speaker 1: and Corey exit the alley at to fifty one am
Speaker 1: and walked towards an empty lot. A woman came forward
Speaker 1: as a witness, and I don't have a good beat
Speaker 1: on when exactly this one instance happened, but then the
Speaker 1: following instance happened, um after they had left the alley
Speaker 1: way and talking about the sitting portion. Yeah, okay, So
Speaker 1: this witness came forward and she was leaving um quote
Speaker 1: unquote visiting a male friend. We all know what that
Speaker 1: actually means. And she said that she saw Lauren and
Speaker 1: Corey sitting on some stairs and the young girl her words,
Speaker 1: young girl, which is easy. Laura was so small that
Speaker 1: or Lauren was so small that it would have been
Speaker 1: easy to mistake her for a young girl. The young
Speaker 1: girl tipped over and hit her head, and the woman
Speaker 1: said that it was a really really loud noise over backwards. Correct, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what there. It is like fell backwards and constantly
Speaker 1: just lost her balance and just and there were concrete
Speaker 1: steps to also, by the way, from what I heard, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's seriously intoxicated. Yeah, I mean, because if you
Speaker 1: don't try to catch yourself or turn or anything. And
Speaker 1: I've had friends who were so intoxicated they face planted
Speaker 1: on the sidewalk and everybody said they didn't do anything,
Speaker 1: they just went straight down. Well Lauren did that later. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's what I'm sitting and that and this it's
Speaker 1: like that's a real indicator of her blood alcohol level. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think that incident happened in the alleyway. Is
Speaker 1: My sense is that like there were you know, stairs
Speaker 1: into the alleyway, and that they had set because it
Speaker 1: took them a really long time to get through the
Speaker 1: alleyway basically that specific alleyway. So I'm guessing that they
Speaker 1: sat down and then the women saw them in blah blah.
Speaker 1: But again I don't really know when that happens. But
Speaker 1: after they left the alleyway, they were walking down a
Speaker 1: different alleyway, lots of alleyways, and there were the investigators
Speaker 1: talk about Lauren uh falling forward and hitting her head
Speaker 1: like she didn't even put her hands up in the alleyway. Um,
Speaker 1: and then Corey helped her up and then um, they
Speaker 1: got a couple of steps and then she just like crumpled.
Speaker 1: Is the term that people use mostly where she just
Speaker 1: you know, fell again. Corey picks her up again and
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, takes her to the apartment of four
Speaker 1: girls they've been parting with earlier. Um, that was like
Speaker 1: right there, but nobody was home. I don't really know.
Speaker 1: I don't understand the logic of a lot of these
Speaker 1: things that were happening. I mean drunk logic, sure, but
Speaker 1: it don't like they didn't Lauren didn't live that far
Speaker 1: away from Corey. It was just like a couple of blocks.
Speaker 1: So I don't really know why they went to this
Speaker 1: girl's apartments. If Corey figures if she's this fall down drunk,
Speaker 1: he's not going to want to go back to the
Speaker 1: apartment complex that she lives in because he's already got
Speaker 1: his clock cleaned ones. So he's gonna try and find
Speaker 1: somebody else to offload her on because right now she's
Speaker 1: being a total drag. Um. Yeah, so he there were
Speaker 1: cameras that caught he and Lauren going up into this
Speaker 1: apartment building. Um, the four girls were reportedly not home,
Speaker 1: So there are also cameras obviously of them leaving, and
Speaker 1: when they're leaving, Corey's carrying Lauren. At this point but
Speaker 1: he's got her. I really can't find the right way
Speaker 1: to describe this, like a fireman's car. He's kind of
Speaker 1: wearing her like a cape, honestly, kind of yeah, where
Speaker 1: her arms are just around his neck and forward, and
Speaker 1: she is draped across his back. Yeah, she's just laying
Speaker 1: and her legs are towards the ground but short enough
Speaker 1: that they don't I don't think the fireman's carry was
Speaker 1: over the shoulder facing backwards. Yeah, yeah, and so well
Speaker 1: I thought it was kind of draped over both shoulders. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's so, but that's the best way to get
Speaker 1: that's not the firearms were. Yeah, her arms were over
Speaker 1: his shoulder and he was just holding them, and then
Speaker 1: she was just raped down the rest of his body.
Speaker 1: But like I said, she was tiny, so she wasn't
Speaker 1: dragging on the floor or anything like that. His lawyers,
Speaker 1: I think it's his lawyers. I don't actually know. I
Speaker 1: watched this interview. Well, I watched this interview with these
Speaker 1: two lawyers who look like total skis balls, and I
Speaker 1: couldn't figure out. They just said who their names were,
Speaker 1: and I googled them, and I couldn't figure out. I
Speaker 1: think they're his lawyers. They're lawyers of the defense of
Speaker 1: some kind, and they have a very good timeline of
Speaker 1: some more eyewitness counts and things like that, and that's
Speaker 1: where I got some of this information. But they said, uh,
Speaker 1: that she was conscious at this point. Actually, to my
Speaker 1: point about them being kind of skis balls, the quote
Speaker 1: actually exactly is, oh, no, she was alive and well
Speaker 1: at this point. Well maybe not well, but alive. Come on,
Speaker 1: So he sits her down. Corey sits Lauren down an
Speaker 1: alcove of a building, which is the point where she
Speaker 1: drops or otherwise loses her keys and her I d
Speaker 1: because I was found in like a little alcove in
Speaker 1: an alley during the search for her. Then they head
Speaker 1: off to Corey's house at this time for real, and
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was carrying her, if she
Speaker 1: was walking at this point, I think he was carrying her. Again.
Speaker 1: His roommate Mike, who we talked about earlier, um was
Speaker 1: at home and still awake. Lucky for Corey, Mike sees
Speaker 1: Lauren there. Um, But there hasn't been a whole lot
Speaker 1: of elaboration on her state at this point. I haven't
Speaker 1: really ever seen again. The guys aren't talking. Really, they don't.
Speaker 1: They don't have a lot to say about. Let's let's
Speaker 1: clear up this right now. All all of the guys
Speaker 1: that we're going to talk about at Corey and then
Speaker 1: the other gentleman that we're all going to talk about,
Speaker 1: they all lawyered up right away. And some people pointed
Speaker 1: that as a sign of hiding something, and other people say, no,
Speaker 1: that's all being smart and protecting yourself. So that's why
Speaker 1: why the the information is. This is where the information
Speaker 1: gets a little more sketchy totally because of that, because
Speaker 1: shut up, and you know again, it'd be great to
Speaker 1: be able to hear from Mike. You know. So Corey
Speaker 1: and Lauren got back to the apartment and Lauren was
Speaker 1: you know, drunk and high but like conscious and talking
Speaker 1: to me and you know, walked in on her own power,
Speaker 1: or Corey walked in with Lawrence slugged over his shoulder,
Speaker 1: dropped her and was like here she because I would
Speaker 1: love to know, you know, what kind of the circumstance
Speaker 1: was there. But anyway, Corey is also kind of a
Speaker 1: mess at this point. He's drunk and probably on a
Speaker 1: lot of drugs at least some Corey, you know, once
Speaker 1: he gets lawn into the house, kind of tries to
Speaker 1: go upstairs. I think it was a townhouse that they
Speaker 1: lived in, so their rooms were upstairs. Tries to go
Speaker 1: up the stairs and just throws up all over the stairs,
Speaker 1: and Mike is on, man, dude, really um and helps
Speaker 1: him up the stairs and cleans up after him, at
Speaker 1: which point he comes back down and really notices, you know,
Speaker 1: Lauren's in really bad shape, and so he tries to
Speaker 1: convince her to stay over at their place, you know,
Speaker 1: basically like sleep it off. Lauren reportedly said no, she
Speaker 1: wanted to go home. Actually, she wanted to find her
Speaker 1: cell phone. The reports aren't she her saying that she
Speaker 1: wanted to go home, And it may be that, you know,
Speaker 1: once they the reason that she didn't just walk into
Speaker 1: her apartment was because she realized her cell phone was
Speaker 1: missing and she wanted to find it. That's certainly possible
Speaker 1: they went way in the wrong direction, but she she
Speaker 1: said no, she want to go find her cell phone.
Speaker 1: And Mike says that he decided that he didn't really
Speaker 1: know Lauren very well, which is kind of true, I guess,
Speaker 1: but that Jay, his neighbor, knew her way better, so
Speaker 1: he would um again. In the words of the lawyers maker,
Speaker 1: J's problem vote nice guys that you know, it's kind
Speaker 1: of understandable. Yeah, I've been there. So Mike walks next
Speaker 1: door two outdoors down and wakes Jay up and says,
Speaker 1: you know, Lauren's over here, can you take care of her?
Speaker 1: And Jay goes over and you know, gets Lauren and
Speaker 1: brings her back to his house and basically, again just
Speaker 1: like Mike says, he tried to get her to stay
Speaker 1: over just you know, sleep it off, totally innocent, and
Speaker 1: she said again no, she wanted to go find her
Speaker 1: cell phone, so that I mean, so he kind of
Speaker 1: just says, all right, fine, Well he did make it.
Speaker 1: He did try and figure out, you know, if she
Speaker 1: was just going to fall over, because he said, listen,
Speaker 1: if you can walk to the end of the block
Speaker 1: while I'm watching you and not stumble, then you can go.
Speaker 1: But if I see you stumble, I'm going to bring
Speaker 1: you back. I mean, that seems to be what his
Speaker 1: intention was, and he probably fully expected her to stumble
Speaker 1: on the first stage. Yeah, so actually at four fifteen am,
Speaker 1: this is the last official recorded fighting of her. Um, Jay,
Speaker 1: let's Lauren use his cell phone to place two calls.
Speaker 1: Again that's what Jay says, but two of her friends records,
Speaker 1: probably to confirm with the right well, they confirmed that
Speaker 1: two calls were made to two of his other male
Speaker 1: friends at that time. Whether it was Lauren or not, um,
Speaker 1: you know, who knows, because that plays in a little
Speaker 1: bit to some of the theories later on. But one
Speaker 1: of them was, you know, David Moon, which was a
Speaker 1: different male friend that David Rowan, the guy she first. Okay,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of David's in Bloomington Hens a popular
Speaker 1: name for my generation. There's a lot of David's, I know.
Speaker 1: I said that, like, you should know who that is.
Speaker 1: It's you don't. It's fine, he this is the only
Speaker 1: time he comes into the story, really, but I heard
Speaker 1: that the other call was to David Rohan. It may
Speaker 1: have been either way, two male friends that were in
Speaker 1: that circle. Um. Neither of them answered, and so Jay said,
Speaker 1: all right, you know, like Steve said, if you can
Speaker 1: walk to the end of the block, fine, and he
Speaker 1: watched from his little balcony area, which wasn't It's not
Speaker 1: really a balcony. It's more of a stoopid, isn't it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But it's it's like on the second story. Oh, it's
Speaker 1: one of those little halves okay where you can kind
Speaker 1: of just step outside. You can put a flower pot
Speaker 1: on it and nothing else. No, I think it's literally
Speaker 1: just like the width of a foot. Yeah, sure, maybe
Speaker 1: a tiny one. Um. So he says that he watched
Speaker 1: her get quote almost unquote to the corner and then
Speaker 1: turn around one inside and this last time anybody's ever
Speaker 1: seen Lauren ever. So really feel good story. Um, this
Speaker 1: case did garner national attention. News networks like CNN and
Speaker 1: Fox were picking the story up like immediately, and since
Speaker 1: the two thousand eleven those stories, you can find all
Speaker 1: that footage online or at least a lot of it
Speaker 1: reporting like an hour long special just just a few
Speaker 1: years to this day, Literally no additional clues have been found.
Speaker 1: And again, like I said, one of the big issues
Speaker 1: that people take with this case is the um lack
Speaker 1: of CCTV footage. There was another case that was kind
Speaker 1: of similar to this. It was a you know, girl
Speaker 1: disappeared in College City after you know, walking, and the
Speaker 1: police department they're released literally all of the footage and
Speaker 1: that ended up actually, yes, leading to somebody remembering seeing
Speaker 1: this guy interacting with her, and they found the guy
Speaker 1: and then found this girl's remains. Well, they were able
Speaker 1: to track the guy on tape. That's how they figured
Speaker 1: it out. Yeah, right, but you know, somebody said, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw that guy, which they didn't have on tape.
Speaker 1: Was the interaction between them too, but they were able
Speaker 1: to track him and then you know, figure out who
Speaker 1: he is. And so everybody's hoping that would happen again
Speaker 1: if the tapes were or something would happen, you know,
Speaker 1: and um, unfortunately they haven't done that. They've just released
Speaker 1: two kind of little snippets and that's pretty much it.
Speaker 1: So there you go, frustrating. Yeah, so that's the story.
Speaker 1: Do you guys have anything to add to the story?
Speaker 1: Let me thank let me thank you. No. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're probably gonna talk about this in theories, but it's
Speaker 1: just there's a whole lot of questionable judgment through this
Speaker 1: entire story, and it is I was about to say,
Speaker 1: it's all based in in twenty somethings, early twenties, some things,
Speaker 1: consuming a lot of intoxicance and making some weird, not
Speaker 1: so smart decisions. Because I remember some of the things
Speaker 1: that I did and years later, I look back and
Speaker 1: I'm like, how did you not die? You idiot? I'm
Speaker 1: so glad I didn't get caught. Totally. Yeah, so we
Speaker 1: will talk about that in the theories. Absolutely. Um, okay,
Speaker 1: well actually then I guess we're our theories. But before
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Speaker 1: back first theory. I'm okay, I'm actually doing it in sections.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Okay, you mean to foul play and not
Speaker 1: foul play so let's start with theory number one. Foul
Speaker 1: play three number one A. The Sons of Silence. You
Speaker 1: mean the Sounds of Silence, the Simony Garth Uncle song.
Speaker 1: Now the Sons of Silence, the those guys. OK. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was segment on Lauren a few years ago and
Speaker 1: they tracked down this guy who had been a member
Speaker 1: of the Sons of Silence. The Sons of Silence, for
Speaker 1: those of you who do not know, are what is
Speaker 1: known as a one percent group of motorcyclists, which means
Speaker 1: they're an outlaw motorcycle gang, and that comes from the
Speaker 1: American Motorcycle Association, who they're The president made a statement
Speaker 1: once where he said of motorcyclists or law abiding like
Speaker 1: great citizens, and so the one percent that are not
Speaker 1: like that took to heart that they are the one percent,
Speaker 1: and so they actually wear patch is they're very proud
Speaker 1: of it. Not to be confused with the one percent
Speaker 1: that people were protesting a couple of years ago. That's
Speaker 1: a different one percent of non law abiding citizens. I've
Speaker 1: met a lot of people, a lot of bikers who
Speaker 1: we are not even in the one percent, probably still
Speaker 1: wear that patch just because it's kind of badass. I
Speaker 1: have heard that that is a very bad idea. Oh,
Speaker 1: in that culture, you you don't pose. There is no
Speaker 1: posing because you will get it handed to you. So
Speaker 1: the Sons of Silence are like a real legit outlaw
Speaker 1: like gang. And you know they have kind of factions everywhere,
Speaker 1: and one of them chapters chapters. Excuse me, they have
Speaker 1: chapters everywhere. And we do not want to become after
Speaker 1: to be in Bloomington, Indiana or thereabouts. And there was
Speaker 1: a tip given to the investigators in the case that
Speaker 1: guy who used to be what they call a cleaner
Speaker 1: for the Sons of Islands, which is um Harvey Keitel. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I need to explain it. I
Speaker 1: didn't know that those guys cleaned up after themselves. He
Speaker 1: cleans up after them. Basically, there was some speculation that
Speaker 1: he had, for whatever reason, killed Lauren and buried the
Speaker 1: body on his farm. Well, it turns out that that
Speaker 1: tip actually came from his very annoyed ex wife and
Speaker 1: was totally unsubstantiated. Um. So, in short, this theory is
Speaker 1: bad and you should feel bad. I saw I saw
Speaker 1: a little footage Ryan wah Russell into his house and
Speaker 1: the guys like from said, I don't know what you're
Speaker 1: talking about. I didn't even know the broad Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you watch the whole thing, it's actually very interesting.
Speaker 1: I kind of feel bad for the guy because he
Speaker 1: seemed like he was very willing to talk, but he
Speaker 1: had stipulated without cameras and they showed up with cameras
Speaker 1: and he was like, I don't want to talk on camera,
Speaker 1: turned the camera off, and I'm happy to talk to
Speaker 1: you guys about everything that I may or may not
Speaker 1: know about this case. And they said, you know, not
Speaker 1: in like a shady like well I might know something
Speaker 1: like I literally don't know anything, but like I'm happy
Speaker 1: to talk to you guys about you know, because he's
Speaker 1: an ex member of this gang, and so he was,
Speaker 1: you know, it seemed like he was willing to say, like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm happy to talk to you guys about the activity
Speaker 1: I knew about around that time to see if any
Speaker 1: of it. They booked the appointment under semi false pretenses
Speaker 1: with yeah, they tried to ambush him. They didn't. He
Speaker 1: was having none of it, and he was like, I
Speaker 1: told you no cameras and they were like uh, and
Speaker 1: they've just gotten his face with the cameras and he
Speaker 1: was like okay, bye and close the door and told
Speaker 1: them to get off the property. The same episode they
Speaker 1: tried to ambush Corey also, and a lot of people
Speaker 1: he has the same results. Yeah, they apparently are not
Speaker 1: very good at setting up stings, is what this this
Speaker 1: tells me about the crew of the Dead Bikers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well there's the people do think maybe the boyfriend did it. Um,
Speaker 1: he was actually considered a serious point or a person
Speaker 1: of interest for a while, just the first parts of
Speaker 1: the beginning. Well it's always the boyfriend. Yeah, the husband,
Speaker 1: my boyfriend, or the wife or the girlfriend. You know. Actually,
Speaker 1: but he had he had roommates and his Yeah, there
Speaker 1: was there was no evidence to back this up. It
Speaker 1: was just people saying like, well, you know, it was
Speaker 1: a jealous boyfriend who did it. And I think there
Speaker 1: are some people on the internet who falsely perpetuate that
Speaker 1: continue to falsely perpetuate that. But I think that's a
Speaker 1: really bad theory and it really is just making somebody
Speaker 1: who's already suffering. Although you know, there is that question again,
Speaker 1: this is one of those things that doesn't really make
Speaker 1: a lot of sense because he stayed home while she's
Speaker 1: out drinking with a bunch of with other guys and stuff.
Speaker 1: That's a little weird. Have you ever heard of the
Speaker 1: friend zone? She may have had. The couple of guys
Speaker 1: that she was hanging out with, they were in the
Speaker 1: friend zone, and they were trying to, you know, make
Speaker 1: their impression, to make their mark, and so they always
Speaker 1: went out with her. But she was like, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not No, that's never happening there. Just yet. You
Speaker 1: can just be friends with people, that's not even a
Speaker 1: friend zone, Like everybody can just be friends with everybody else,
Speaker 1: and there doesn't have to be sexual tension or like
Speaker 1: underlying romance or any Yeah, but you're not a man.
Speaker 1: You don't understand how the dudes constantly like dudes are constantly,
Speaker 1: especially when there's a lot of booze involved. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: I'm afraid guys will take advantage. Yes, all right, fun discussion. So,
Speaker 1: but leaving the boyfriend out of the whole thing, I
Speaker 1: mean that he could have done it. I mean there's
Speaker 1: people with all sorts of theories out there, like, for example,
Speaker 1: he was supposedly texting her at the bar stuff over
Speaker 1: the course of the evening, could have had somebody else
Speaker 1: do the texting while he went out and stocked her
Speaker 1: and observed her with these guys and then eventually, you know,
Speaker 1: bushwhacked and killed her out of jealousy. Oh yeah, but
Speaker 1: I just want to say, you know, it's it's yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think it's possible. I think I think the
Speaker 1: Sons of Silence did it before. I think Jesse did it.
Speaker 1: And I do not think the Sons of Silence did it.
Speaker 1: So on, Um, so the next two theories are you know,
Speaker 1: still foul play, um the not boyfriend theories. There is
Speaker 1: one thing that I didn't mention, and that is the
Speaker 1: surveillance footage that was released. There are only two little bits.
Speaker 1: One of them is just a picture of Lauren leaving
Speaker 1: for the night from her apartment. You see her from behind, No,
Speaker 1: you see her from the front when she was Oh wait,
Speaker 1: I thought you meant when she was leaving the apartment
Speaker 1: at four in the morning. I'm getting. I'm getting at
Speaker 1: the beginning of the night. She's kind of smiling. She's
Speaker 1: got a white polo shirt on and some black pants
Speaker 1: and I don't know why, I guess, like so that
Speaker 1: people could know what she had looked like on that night.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think that was a bad idea,
Speaker 1: but whatever. And then the other thing that they have
Speaker 1: released is um it's actual video footage of white truck
Speaker 1: pup truck. It's white pickup truck. And the reason that
Speaker 1: this interest them interested them was two reasons. One, they
Speaker 1: thought it would actually be identifiable, because it does look
Speaker 1: like there's some lettering on the side, though you can't
Speaker 1: see it in any of the footage. It's not clear.
Speaker 1: But the real reason that they're interested is that you
Speaker 1: see Lauren walking down the street and you see the
Speaker 1: truck go by, and then it circles the block and
Speaker 1: comes background and passes again. And they think it would
Speaker 1: be pretty easy, particularly given Lauren's size and current state,
Speaker 1: to just quickly grab her and thrower in your truck
Speaker 1: and go off. Sure, and now this this took place
Speaker 1: at what time? When it was this act she left?
Speaker 1: It was like, yeah, and I know they tracked down
Speaker 1: the owner, yet kind of a weak excuse, I thought,
Speaker 1: can you remind me of what you thought? I don't
Speaker 1: remember hearing that they tracked I don't remember that either,
Speaker 1: So I'm just wanting what I read is they they
Speaker 1: actually found the owner I don't know exactly how they
Speaker 1: did it. Maybe he recognized his own truck and came forward,
Speaker 1: or what it turns out, he he has like a
Speaker 1: construction company something, and he was he was trying to
Speaker 1: find one of his employees picking him up for some reason.
Speaker 1: So I thought was a little strange at that time
Speaker 1: of the night. I mean, maybe he had a problem
Speaker 1: employee who'd got in trouble with things like drinking or
Speaker 1: something like that. Or if he instruction firm, that's when
Speaker 1: they start. Maybe it was his morning. I mean, it's June,
Speaker 1: it's light early, and it's got to be hot. That's true.
Speaker 1: Good point, So maybe that was it. Maybe he wasn't
Speaker 1: up late, Maybe he was up early. There are guys
Speaker 1: that I live in a blue collar neighborhood, and there
Speaker 1: are guys that come and pick up other workers or
Speaker 1: you know, co workers in the area, and they're they're
Speaker 1: super crazy early in the morning, especially this time of
Speaker 1: the year. So it's I mean, it's it's possible that
Speaker 1: that was the resolution to that white truck. It's possible
Speaker 1: that that wasn't actually the white truck, but that that
Speaker 1: person was like, I don't know, I was kind of
Speaker 1: in that area at that time, and I have a
Speaker 1: white truck and I was circling the block, So yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe he thought, Yeah, I mean, you know I would
Speaker 1: if I thought I might have been in that neighborhood,
Speaker 1: might have been on that camera, I would have probably
Speaker 1: gone to the police and said, listen, I can't tell
Speaker 1: you exactly what moment I was driving around what block.
Speaker 1: I can't tell you. You know, I don't know where
Speaker 1: that surveillance camera was. Here's what my truck looks like,
Speaker 1: here's what I was doing. Here the people who can
Speaker 1: corroborate it, you know. But the reason that that white truck,
Speaker 1: it kind of brings up this theory of foul play,
Speaker 1: that opportunity, a crime of opportunity, right, that somebody could
Speaker 1: have just been prowling for a victim for whatever kind
Speaker 1: of crime they wanted to commit, whatever kind of probably
Speaker 1: horrific crime they wanted to commit, and that Lauren, again,
Speaker 1: given her size and state, would have been a really
Speaker 1: really good She would have put up very little struggle
Speaker 1: and you know, just overall would have been super easy
Speaker 1: to abduct and you know, do whatever you wanted to
Speaker 1: do with it, and then uh with her, Yeah, with
Speaker 1: with her and then uh, you know, get rid of
Speaker 1: the body however you wanted and wherever you wanted to,
Speaker 1: and it would be pretty hard to track. The next
Speaker 1: foul play theory is Corey That Corey killed her. Mr
Speaker 1: I hirt on the stairs. Yeah, there are a couple theories.
Speaker 1: Here's possibly, uh, Corey drugged Lauren hoping to get lucky
Speaker 1: in like the illegal way. Yeah, so you r in
Speaker 1: the bar, I guess. And I should point out that
Speaker 1: we didn't originate that theory. It's out there in the end. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: none of this is original. Time. Maybe Corey got mad
Speaker 1: at Lauren for spurning his advances and hit her. Really,
Speaker 1: the thing about Corey is that really, no matter how
Speaker 1: you cut it, there's he probably does at least have
Speaker 1: a part ownership of her disappearance. Not that's not to
Speaker 1: say that she should have been responsible for her own
Speaker 1: damn actions, but it does seem like he was continuing
Speaker 1: to encourage her to continue to be intoxicated and then
Speaker 1: and then when he was supposed to be taking care
Speaker 1: of her, whether he was fit to or not, didn't
Speaker 1: really escalate. I mean, you know, if somebody falls over
Speaker 1: and hit their head as hard as it sounds like
Speaker 1: she did. You don't just drag I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't just take her somewhere and like let her sleep,
Speaker 1: Like don't even if you're like super super drunk. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, again, it comes down to that bad judgment
Speaker 1: that we were talking about earlier. Um, But I would
Speaker 1: say I feel a little weird about saying that he
Speaker 1: definitely has a hand in being responsible for her disappearance.
Speaker 1: But I still feel like that. But it's just like
Speaker 1: it's a weird thing for me, right because I don't
Speaker 1: necessarily know if they were both super drunk, but he
Speaker 1: seemed like he was definitely more sober than she was,
Speaker 1: so the hope would be, I mean he wasn't. If
Speaker 1: I disagree that he was maybe more sober, the fact
Speaker 1: that he walked in his house and tried to walk
Speaker 1: up the steps and and lost the contents of his
Speaker 1: guts means that he was pretty toasted and was probably
Speaker 1: carrying on a big belly full of hard booze. Yes,
Speaker 1: But the reason that I say he was more intoxicated
Speaker 1: than she was more intoxicated than him is that she
Speaker 1: wasn't even able to walk at that point. He was
Speaker 1: at least amilatory, right, I mean in decision making and
Speaker 1: you know whatever aside, he wasn't like, like so drunk
Speaker 1: that he was just falling over sitting down there. There
Speaker 1: is such a thing as being able to function well
Speaker 1: blackout drunk. Sure, yeah, And so that's that's the only
Speaker 1: thing that I'm getting at, is that he may he
Speaker 1: may have been you know, it's like sleep walking at
Speaker 1: that point. He's just doing things and you know, as
Speaker 1: a drunken mission. I well, but I will, I guess
Speaker 1: I will add to that that I do feel And
Speaker 1: I'm sorry Corey if you're listening to but I really
Speaker 1: genuinely do feel like he knows more about what happened
Speaker 1: that night than he's saying that he knows. I know
Speaker 1: that face that you're making, Steve, I just think he does.
Speaker 1: We've all lost time, you know, from a from a
Speaker 1: heavy night of boozing. Yeah, it seems unlikely the actually
Speaker 1: killed her, abducted or killed her or anything like intentionally.
Speaker 1: Well even well, I mean she unless his roommate Mike
Speaker 1: is lying. Also, oh yeah, and what's the other guy?
Speaker 1: J J would have to be in on it as
Speaker 1: well as So why don't we move to the next
Speaker 1: theory that kind of helps explain all of this life.
Speaker 1: They then not foul play, but kind of foul play. Um.
Speaker 1: One thing I have not mentioned yet is that Lauren
Speaker 1: actually had what is called long QT syndrome, which is
Speaker 1: a heart condition that basically means your heart beat can
Speaker 1: be really off and actually can be spontaneously fatal in
Speaker 1: and of itself, like you can literally just keel over
Speaker 1: and die from having this being perfectly healthy, just sitting there,
Speaker 1: totally sober and like normal all the time. Luckily for Lauren,
Speaker 1: I don't think that's what killed her. I well, I
Speaker 1: don't know, so that it's actually interesting because Lauren's parents
Speaker 1: are very sure that Lauren is dead, and they really
Speaker 1: think her drink may have been drugged, but that it
Speaker 1: was drugs alcohol caused her to have a cardiac attack
Speaker 1: or you know, the rest of some kind of the
Speaker 1: rhythm gets off and then it skips a beat, and
Speaker 1: then it misses a beat, and then it doesn't pick that.
Speaker 1: I would actually kind of even maybe you give a
Speaker 1: vote to following her backwards. It's smashing her head on
Speaker 1: a concrete step, maybe having a cerebral hemorrhage or something
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, absolutely. You know, it wouldn't surprise me
Speaker 1: to find out that she had been roofied or otherwise
Speaker 1: date drugged. I remember that being really big. I so
Speaker 1: I when I was in Bloomington, Alliant, Illinois. Um I
Speaker 1: was there until two thousand and ten, so I was
Speaker 1: there kind of around the same time, and it was
Speaker 1: like a really big thing. I got lucky and they
Speaker 1: thought my Long Island iced tea or they thought my friend,
Speaker 1: my like gay best friends Long Island nice to you
Speaker 1: was mine, and drugged his instead of mine. But like
Speaker 1: he went from like, you know, totally fine to like
Speaker 1: crazy drunk within you know, ten minutes and just had
Speaker 1: no memory of the entire night. And it's just but
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it wouldn't surprise me to find
Speaker 1: out that she had been drugged in one way or another.
Speaker 1: But also I think it's not a crazy idea to
Speaker 1: think that her parents are just unwilling to see how
Speaker 1: far into the party scene Lauren was. It's not an
Speaker 1: uncommon thing with parents to to justify some of it
Speaker 1: to deny another part that's less convenient or less it
Speaker 1: is more painful. Yeah, so you know, for them to say, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: she was drinking and that's fine, but she must have
Speaker 1: been drugged. What sounds like she was doing a lot
Speaker 1: of drugs on her own accord. But the one way
Speaker 1: to tell if she was rooting in the bar's just
Speaker 1: to check her state going in another state coming out.
Speaker 1: We know what she left the bar, she was hammered,
Speaker 1: Was she already hammered? What she went into the bar?
Speaker 1: It's hard to tell though. I mean, she was there
Speaker 1: for like an hour, for minutes CCTV footage, might you know,
Speaker 1: if they actually have video of her, they could probably
Speaker 1: tell her she was staggering then, I mean, of course
Speaker 1: that she was really hammered, then would they have let
Speaker 1: her in the bar? Well? But I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: there are some drugs you can do and they'll take
Speaker 1: forty minutes to kick in, right. Stuff could have kicked
Speaker 1: in while she was at the bar, as well as
Speaker 1: her being drugged at the actual bar. So during the
Speaker 1: pregame thing we mentioned there were some drugs which I
Speaker 1: didn't see, but Steve you said it was on the Wikipedia,
Speaker 1: which yeah, well, and I've seen some other places. They
Speaker 1: found coke in her room, not a lot, but a
Speaker 1: little bit of cocaine and then according to Jay they
Speaker 1: had been snorting. They've been crushing up and snorting clon
Speaker 1: a pin, which is an anti seizure medication, which like, fine, well,
Speaker 1: and I had to read about it. I apparently people
Speaker 1: like it because it's you know, it's a it's a
Speaker 1: relax it it's not a stimulant. It's kind of relaxing.
Speaker 1: So it's out of the antich coke. Yeah, exactly. So
Speaker 1: it's weird. I mean people, it's weird to me when
Speaker 1: people like do to drugs. I want to get really high,
Speaker 1: but then I need something to bring me right back down,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna I mean, that almost seems like they
Speaker 1: were spiking, doing that you know, up and down routine
Speaker 1: and throwing booze in the middle just to see what happens. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it sounds like fun. Yeah. So, I mean she was
Speaker 1: It's not crazy to think that, you know, she had
Speaker 1: just overindulged. And I mean, Lauren was obviously very aware
Speaker 1: of her own heart conditions, So any number of the
Speaker 1: combinations of any of the things that we've talked about
Speaker 1: already could have really just caused a massive heart failure
Speaker 1: for her, I mean, or just being sober obviously, and
Speaker 1: then again or it could have been one of the
Speaker 1: like four or five times she fell over and hit
Speaker 1: her head real hard. Well, being aware of her own
Speaker 1: heart condition and the potential impacts of drugs and alcohol
Speaker 1: on that, I think you can counteract that with the
Speaker 1: I'm twenty years old and in invincible, I will never die. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like she had had a couple
Speaker 1: of scares, so it is interesting that she still was
Speaker 1: so feeling like she was so invincible, but you know whatever,
Speaker 1: she'd be okay. Yeah. Well, I've also heard some reports
Speaker 1: from students that were at Indiana State University at the time,
Speaker 1: and the consensus from them was that Corey, Mike, and
Speaker 1: j were actually well known high volume drug dealers in
Speaker 1: Bloomington at the time. Um, So the theory here would
Speaker 1: go that through whatever kind of circumstances, either Lauren o'deed
Speaker 1: just like flat out o'deed, or she got super drunk
Speaker 1: and you know whatever. But for whatever reason, they found
Speaker 1: themselves with the dead Lauren on their hands, and since
Speaker 1: they were drug dealers and loaded and loaded. Instead of
Speaker 1: doing the responsible humane thing and you know, calling the
Speaker 1: cops or taking her to the hospital or whatever, they
Speaker 1: decided that they would dump her in the Ohio River,
Speaker 1: which there is some some corroboration to this story, though
Speaker 1: it's been redacted or retracted. Was just a big black
Speaker 1: market at that it was a jail hus snitch thing,
Speaker 1: but it was. It was a weird jail huff snitch thing,
Speaker 1: and that they got a tip from the cellmate of
Speaker 1: one of the guys. He was like and then um,
Speaker 1: they interviewed the guy who was friends with that group
Speaker 1: and he said, no, I don't know anything about that.
Speaker 1: I've never known anything about that, and I don't want
Speaker 1: to be involved in that at all. Absolutely not. I
Speaker 1: have no knowledge of that. But whatsoever? Uh, in kind
Speaker 1: of like a too frantic way, Well, that guy's story
Speaker 1: is hilarious and he is probably gun shy because he
Speaker 1: is if he's the one who loved this. He got
Speaker 1: so loaded on drugs that he walked out of his
Speaker 1: house wearing nothing but a baseball cap, holding a gun
Speaker 1: and started shooting it. And it is some of the
Speaker 1: it's the funniest look in CCTV images I've seen every
Speaker 1: because you're like, wait, I mean it's grainy, but is
Speaker 1: he wearing like skin colors? Oh god, No, he's naked.
Speaker 1: It's pretty intense. So he said that he knew the guys,
Speaker 1: and he actually said that he had helped initially with
Speaker 1: the whole dumping, and he you know, said it to
Speaker 1: some jailhouse guys and then um totally retracted it. And
Speaker 1: it might not even it might not have actually been
Speaker 1: about Lauren. That maybe why he was so scared, because
Speaker 1: he may have helped somebody with a body for something. Well,
Speaker 1: the reasonings. The reason that it came up was because
Speaker 1: they were watching a thing on Lauren and he like
Speaker 1: looked at the pictures of Lauren and said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the body that I helped dump in the Ohio River. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But the thing about it is I heard this story
Speaker 1: and they basically loaded it into a car, took it
Speaker 1: out and just through in the river, which didn't she
Speaker 1: float well? And to me, it's like it's like that's
Speaker 1: a prescripture for having the body turned up about twenty
Speaker 1: ft downstream, tangled in the brush. You know. It's like,
Speaker 1: we won't have a boat take her out in the middle.
Speaker 1: At least she'll show up like miles downstream hopefully. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's not a hard drive, No, not exactly now, she's not.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, I mean, it's not it's also
Speaker 1: not like crazy unheard of that people get really lucky
Speaker 1: dumping bodies and she got stuck, you know, under a
Speaker 1: rock at the bottom, and usually they pop up sooner
Speaker 1: or later, though, yeah, or you know, it's possible that
Speaker 1: could she could have popped up and you know, a
Speaker 1: bunch of miles down the river and she's a Jane
Speaker 1: Doe somewhere. I mean, you know, it's possible. It seems
Speaker 1: to be that every time they find a straight body
Speaker 1: anywhere near anyone within a couple of hundred miles, they
Speaker 1: always test to make sure it's not her that they yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The another possibility, too, is that she didn't o d
Speaker 1: at all. Another one who said, you know, she just
Speaker 1: like like sort of lost consciousness because of a cerebral hemorrhage,
Speaker 1: and they thought she had just passed out, so they
Speaker 1: just heared, you know, we'll let her sleep it off.
Speaker 1: The next morning, she's cold and stiff, Yeah, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: something happened here. And by the way, especially as some
Speaker 1: they had actually maybe slipt her roof. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: in her bloodstream then, like that's kind of incriminating. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I mean realistically, when it comes down to it,
Speaker 1: I do feel that the that Mike, j and Corey
Speaker 1: know more that their stories are not exactly what happened
Speaker 1: that night, Um, I think, And I think that's just
Speaker 1: because that's it gives me the most closure you I've
Speaker 1: I've been around enough super blasted but uncooperative people. Joe
Speaker 1: and I used to know a girl who would show
Speaker 1: up and we would be having a beer and she'd
Speaker 1: walk in, just housed, and then you would find out
Speaker 1: she had been doing some drugs as well. There was
Speaker 1: I mean, she would just fall flat on her face
Speaker 1: and people would try to help her, and she was combative.
Speaker 1: She's like, no, no, I'm finally be alone, and people
Speaker 1: like let me walk. You don't know, like people do this.
Speaker 1: And so that's why, having seen that firsthand enough times,
Speaker 1: I'm not willing to completely say that these boys, while
Speaker 1: probably happy to get a problem child off of their hands,
Speaker 1: may not have actually done anything and she may have
Speaker 1: just left and there was just no way to hold her,
Speaker 1: I mean somebody down. Yeah, but then what do you
Speaker 1: think happened to her? Well? I think that there is
Speaker 1: there is that possibility that she was just a random
Speaker 1: of duck tee. You know, it happens, it uh, and
Speaker 1: it's til you'd be very vulnerable at four thirty in
Speaker 1: the morning, a very tiny girl ninety pounds hammered, staggering
Speaker 1: that she would obviously be a target. Yeah, and so
Speaker 1: you know, actually I think it's entirely possible. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously you kind of got to go when anybody disappears
Speaker 1: or dies or is murdered or anything, you you kind
Speaker 1: of immediately look at their immediate circle of friends. But
Speaker 1: you know that's not true of the time that it
Speaker 1: was a friend or a family member or whatever who
Speaker 1: did asked them. It could actually have been and she
Speaker 1: was definitely a ripe target. Yeah, it's just a question
Speaker 1: of did the right dude or the on dude, I
Speaker 1: guess turn up at the right time. Totally. Yeah. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: and you know, and I tried to look. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not as if Bloomington's has a rash of college
Speaker 1: age girls being abducted and killed. There's been three in
Speaker 1: the last twenty some years. One was two thousand or
Speaker 1: the late nineties, and then there's Lauren, and then there
Speaker 1: was there was the girl. Yeah, and she was a
Speaker 1: couple of years later, but they caught the dude who
Speaker 1: who took her and killed her, and he was a
Speaker 1: big suspect in this one. I think his name was Messil,
Speaker 1: was it Messil something like that, but he was he
Speaker 1: was I don't know. He didn't do a great job
Speaker 1: of getting rid of Halley's body, no, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there was one girl who was not a
Speaker 1: college student, who just lived in Bloomington's who also went missing,
Speaker 1: and I believe she's still missing. She was like twenty
Speaker 1: nine when she went missing, almost within a year of
Speaker 1: when Lauren went missing. So I certainly there is a
Speaker 1: possibility that there was just serial killer or serial abductor
Speaker 1: you know whatever. Yeah, I mean there's again, it's I mean,
Speaker 1: there's always circumstances. I mean, you know. One of the
Speaker 1: things that they did that it's really weird the way
Speaker 1: they went about it. But they searched the local dump
Speaker 1: in case they could find her body, which I don't
Speaker 1: know how how good of the search that you could
Speaker 1: take on an active dump site, because the theory is
Speaker 1: a somebody killed her and threw her into the trash,
Speaker 1: kind of like what Lonnie the grim Sleeper Lonnie got
Speaker 1: his last name slipped my mind. Or somebody didn't chuck
Speaker 1: her put her in a garage bag and just put
Speaker 1: her in the trash, or she was so drunk she
Speaker 1: was trying to find somewhere to go to sleep and
Speaker 1: crawled into a dumpster which was then picked up, you know,
Speaker 1: not too long after, and she was crushed. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't think Lauren could have possibly been that drunk.
Speaker 1: I didn't know her, of course, but I've never eaten.
Speaker 1: In my drunkest moments, it would be a great idea
Speaker 1: to crawl into a dumpster and take a nap. I
Speaker 1: would agree with that. I don't think she probably did
Speaker 1: it on her own, but no, I think, yeah, there
Speaker 1: was a pretty sizable investigation and search that happened for her.
Speaker 1: And one of the things they did two weeks they
Speaker 1: spent at the top, right did Yeah, and I think
Speaker 1: they probably did a pretty good job. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess it's true. We can't rule out that it
Speaker 1: was just spontaneous, but um, yeah, I think that's all
Speaker 1: the theories. But yeah, that's about it. Well, there's always
Speaker 1: she ran away to start a new life, which is
Speaker 1: probably not a good one. We could hope, I guess
Speaker 1: I yeah, you could hope. There's always a possibility to
Speaker 1: that she wasn't heardd maybe she's being held against her will.
Speaker 1: Even to think about that one, that's a dad. I
Speaker 1: know that kind of sucks too. Yeah, it does. No,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't really have anything else. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's talk of people being abducted for sex, slavery rings.
Speaker 1: It's so it's something akin to what Joe was saying.
Speaker 1: But there doesn't well, there is illicit activity. It doesn't
Speaker 1: seem that Bloomington would be a place to to go
Speaker 1: picking up girls to then take them to a larger city.
Speaker 1: It just it doesn't make sense college town. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just that it's it's an hour away from the next
Speaker 1: biggest town, which seems to be the problem. Um that
Speaker 1: I don't know enough about the slave You probably don't
Speaker 1: want to don't do so really, I got nothing. I mean,
Speaker 1: I I don't think that the guys did anything. I
Speaker 1: don't know why I do. I just do. You just
Speaker 1: don't trust. I just don't trust those three guys. I
Speaker 1: just do not trust for some reason. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: there is that that and that didn't really help their case.
Speaker 1: I understand why they lawyered up, you know, but that
Speaker 1: always looks a little bit bad to the public. Well
Speaker 1: it's not. It's not the act of lawyering up. It's
Speaker 1: more the withholding of any relevant information is really the
Speaker 1: thing that looks guilty. But it's you know whatever, all right.
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