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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways the podcast I

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Speaker 1: Am Devin, joined this week by Go and Steve, and

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Speaker 1: today we're gonna talk about a mystery. Really cool. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about a mysterious disappearance. We haven't done those

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Speaker 1: in a while. Actually we haven't. No, we haven't. Actually

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Speaker 1: I was kidding, but right, I know, I've been on

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Speaker 1: kind of a I don't want to talk about it streak,

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Speaker 1: So this week we're going to talk about the disappearance

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Speaker 1: of Laurens Spear, who is It was a two thousand

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Speaker 1: and eleven disappearance from Bloomington, Indiana. We've heard of it.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of in the news a lot. It has

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Speaker 1: been in the news a lot. Yeah, well not not

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Speaker 1: it's five year anniversary, so it always gets the refresh. Yeah. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: when you hit those kind of anniversaries. Let's just dive

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Speaker 1: right in. Great Do you guys have more like banter

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Speaker 1: or anything? Flop out the beginning of this episode with So,

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Speaker 1: I was on the Internet the other day and I

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Speaker 1: found this thing. No, I never go on the internet,

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Speaker 1: you know that, Just Wikipedia? Okay. So Lauren was an

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Speaker 1: um and she waghed. She weighed just ninety pounds um.

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Speaker 1: And she was twenty years old when she disappeared. So

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Speaker 1: she's a very petite girl, very very petite. Yeah. She

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Speaker 1: was a sophomore at Indiana State University in Bloomington, Indiana,

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Speaker 1: the bad Bloomington. It went to school in Bloomington, Illinois

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Speaker 1: And I went to school in Bloomington, Illinois. Anyway, she

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Speaker 1: all accounts, Lauren was a really great person. And though

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Speaker 1: of understandable. Yeah, I've been there. So Mike walks next

426
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 1: door two outdoors down and wakes Jay up and says,

427
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 1: you know, Lauren's over here, can you take care of her?

428
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,679
Speaker 1: And Jay goes over and you know, gets Lauren and

429
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 1: brings her back to his house and basically, again just

430
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 1: like Mike says, he tried to get her to stay

431
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 1: over just you know, sleep it off, totally innocent, and

432
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 1: she said again no, she wanted to go find her

433
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 1: cell phone, so that I mean, so he kind of

434
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,679
Speaker 1: just says, all right, fine, Well he did make it.

435
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: He did try and figure out, you know, if she

436
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: was just going to fall over, because he said, listen,

437
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 1: if you can walk to the end of the block

438
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 1: while I'm watching you and not stumble, then you can go.

439
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 1: But if I see you stumble, I'm going to bring

440
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: you back. I mean, that seems to be what his

441
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 1: intention was, and he probably fully expected her to stumble

442
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: on the first stage. Yeah, so actually at four fifteen am,

443
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 1: this is the last official recorded fighting of her. Um, Jay,

444
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: let's Lauren use his cell phone to place two calls.

445
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: Again that's what Jay says, but two of her friends records,

446
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: probably to confirm with the right well, they confirmed that

447
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 1: two calls were made to two of his other male

448
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 1: friends at that time. Whether it was Lauren or not, um,

449
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: you know, who knows, because that plays in a little

450
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 1: bit to some of the theories later on. But one

451
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: of them was, you know, David Moon, which was a

452
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 1: different male friend that David Rowan, the guy she first. Okay,

453
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: there's a lot of David's in Bloomington Hens a popular

454
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,439
Speaker 1: name for my generation. There's a lot of David's, I know.

455
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: I said that, like, you should know who that is.

456
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 1: It's you don't. It's fine, he this is the only

457
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: time he comes into the story, really, but I heard

458
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,880
Speaker 1: that the other call was to David Rohan. It may

459
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: have been either way, two male friends that were in

460
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: that circle. Um. Neither of them answered, and so Jay said,

461
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: all right, you know, like Steve said, if you can

462
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: walk to the end of the block, fine, and he

463
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 1: watched from his little balcony area, which wasn't It's not

464
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: really a balcony. It's more of a stoopid, isn't it. Yeah,

465
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 1: But it's it's like on the second story. Oh, it's

466
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: one of those little halves okay where you can kind

467
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 1: of just step outside. You can put a flower pot

468
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: on it and nothing else. No, I think it's literally

469
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: just like the width of a foot. Yeah, sure, maybe

470
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 1: a tiny one. Um. So he says that he watched

471
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 1: her get quote almost unquote to the corner and then

472
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 1: turn around one inside and this last time anybody's ever

473
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 1: seen Lauren ever. So really feel good story. Um, this

474
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: case did garner national attention. News networks like CNN and

475
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 1: Fox were picking the story up like immediately, and since

476
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: the two thousand eleven those stories, you can find all

477
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 1: that footage online or at least a lot of it

478
00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:01,479
Speaker 1: reporting like an hour long special just just a few

479
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 1: years to this day, Literally no additional clues have been found.

480
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: And again, like I said, one of the big issues

481
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: that people take with this case is the um lack

482
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: of CCTV footage. There was another case that was kind

483
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: of similar to this. It was a you know, girl

484
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: disappeared in College City after you know, walking, and the

485
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: police department they're released literally all of the footage and

486
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 1: that ended up actually, yes, leading to somebody remembering seeing

487
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: this guy interacting with her, and they found the guy

488
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 1: and then found this girl's remains. Well, they were able

489
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: to track the guy on tape. That's how they figured

490
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 1: it out. Yeah, right, but you know, somebody said, oh yeah,

491
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: I saw that guy, which they didn't have on tape.

492
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 1: Was the interaction between them too, but they were able

493
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 1: to track him and then you know, figure out who

494
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: he is. And so everybody's hoping that would happen again

495
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: if the tapes were or something would happen, you know,

496
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 1: and um, unfortunately they haven't done that. They've just released

497
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 1: two kind of little snippets and that's pretty much it.

498
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: So there you go, frustrating. Yeah, so that's the story.

499
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: Do you guys have anything to add to the story?

500
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: Let me thank let me thank you. No. I mean,

501
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: we're probably gonna talk about this in theories, but it's

502
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: just there's a whole lot of questionable judgment through this

503
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: entire story, and it is I was about to say,

504
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: it's all based in in twenty somethings, early twenties, some things,

505
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: consuming a lot of intoxicance and making some weird, not

506
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: so smart decisions. Because I remember some of the things

507
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: that I did and years later, I look back and

508
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, how did you not die? You idiot? I'm

509
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: so glad I didn't get caught. Totally. Yeah, so we

510
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,959
Speaker 1: will talk about that in the theories. Absolutely. Um, okay,

511
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: well actually then I guess we're our theories. But before

512
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: we go, let's take a break. I have a cat

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518
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545
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: back first theory. I'm okay, I'm actually doing it in sections.

546
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Okay, you mean to foul play and not

547
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: foul play so let's start with theory number one. Foul

548
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: play three number one A. The Sons of Silence. You

549
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: mean the Sounds of Silence, the Simony Garth Uncle song.

550
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: Now the Sons of Silence, the those guys. OK. Yeah,

551
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: there was segment on Lauren a few years ago and

552
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: they tracked down this guy who had been a member

553
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: of the Sons of Silence. The Sons of Silence, for

554
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: those of you who do not know, are what is

555
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: known as a one percent group of motorcyclists, which means

556
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: they're an outlaw motorcycle gang, and that comes from the

557
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: American Motorcycle Association, who they're The president made a statement

558
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: once where he said of motorcyclists or law abiding like

559
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: great citizens, and so the one percent that are not

560
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: like that took to heart that they are the one percent,

561
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: and so they actually wear patch is they're very proud

562
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: of it. Not to be confused with the one percent

563
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: that people were protesting a couple of years ago. That's

564
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: a different one percent of non law abiding citizens. I've

565
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: met a lot of people, a lot of bikers who

566
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: we are not even in the one percent, probably still

567
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: wear that patch just because it's kind of badass. I

568
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: have heard that that is a very bad idea. Oh,

569
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: in that culture, you you don't pose. There is no

570
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: posing because you will get it handed to you. So

571
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: the Sons of Silence are like a real legit outlaw

572
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: like gang. And you know they have kind of factions everywhere,

573
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: and one of them chapters chapters. Excuse me, they have

574
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: chapters everywhere. And we do not want to become after

575
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: to be in Bloomington, Indiana or thereabouts. And there was

576
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: a tip given to the investigators in the case that

577
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: guy who used to be what they call a cleaner

578
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: for the Sons of Islands, which is um Harvey Keitel. Yeah, yeah,

579
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I need to explain it. I

580
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,239
Speaker 1: didn't know that those guys cleaned up after themselves. He

581
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: cleans up after them. Basically, there was some speculation that

582
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: he had, for whatever reason, killed Lauren and buried the

583
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: body on his farm. Well, it turns out that that

584
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: tip actually came from his very annoyed ex wife and

585
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: was totally unsubstantiated. Um. So, in short, this theory is

586
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: bad and you should feel bad. I saw I saw

587
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: a little footage Ryan wah Russell into his house and

588
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: the guys like from said, I don't know what you're

589
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: talking about. I didn't even know the broad Yeah. I mean,

590
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: if you watch the whole thing, it's actually very interesting.

591
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: I kind of feel bad for the guy because he

592
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: seemed like he was very willing to talk, but he

593
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: had stipulated without cameras and they showed up with cameras

594
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: and he was like, I don't want to talk on camera,

595
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: turned the camera off, and I'm happy to talk to

596
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: you guys about everything that I may or may not

597
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: know about this case. And they said, you know, not

598
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: in like a shady like well I might know something

599
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: like I literally don't know anything, but like I'm happy

600
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 1: to talk to you guys about you know, because he's

601
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: an ex member of this gang, and so he was,

602
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 1: you know, it seemed like he was willing to say, like, well,

603
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: I'm happy to talk to you guys about the activity

604
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: I knew about around that time to see if any

605
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: of it. They booked the appointment under semi false pretenses

606
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: with yeah, they tried to ambush him. They didn't. He

607
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: was having none of it, and he was like, I

608
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: told you no cameras and they were like uh, and

609
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: they've just gotten his face with the cameras and he

610
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 1: was like okay, bye and close the door and told

611
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: them to get off the property. The same episode they

612
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: tried to ambush Corey also, and a lot of people

613
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: he has the same results. Yeah, they apparently are not

614
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: very good at setting up stings, is what this this

615
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: tells me about the crew of the Dead Bikers. Yeah,

616
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: well there's the people do think maybe the boyfriend did it. Um,

617
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: he was actually considered a serious point or a person

618
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: of interest for a while, just the first parts of

619
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: the beginning. Well it's always the boyfriend. Yeah, the husband,

620
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 1: my boyfriend, or the wife or the girlfriend. You know. Actually,

621
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: but he had he had roommates and his Yeah, there

622
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: was there was no evidence to back this up. It

623
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: was just people saying like, well, you know, it was

624
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: a jealous boyfriend who did it. And I think there

625
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: are some people on the internet who falsely perpetuate that

626
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: continue to falsely perpetuate that. But I think that's a

627
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: really bad theory and it really is just making somebody

628
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: who's already suffering. Although you know, there is that question again,

629
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: this is one of those things that doesn't really make

630
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: a lot of sense because he stayed home while she's

631
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: out drinking with a bunch of with other guys and stuff.

632
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: That's a little weird. Have you ever heard of the

633
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: friend zone? She may have had. The couple of guys

634
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: that she was hanging out with, they were in the

635
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: friend zone, and they were trying to, you know, make

636
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,720
Speaker 1: their impression, to make their mark, and so they always

637
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,919
Speaker 1: went out with her. But she was like, yeah, no,

638
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: I'm not No, that's never happening there. Just yet. You

639
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: can just be friends with people, that's not even a

640
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: friend zone, Like everybody can just be friends with everybody else,

641
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: and there doesn't have to be sexual tension or like

642
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: underlying romance or any Yeah, but you're not a man.

643
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: You don't understand how the dudes constantly like dudes are constantly,

644
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: especially when there's a lot of booze involved. Yeah, there's

645
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: I'm afraid guys will take advantage. Yes, all right, fun discussion. So,

646
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: but leaving the boyfriend out of the whole thing, I

647
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: mean that he could have done it. I mean there's

648
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 1: people with all sorts of theories out there, like, for example,

649
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: he was supposedly texting her at the bar stuff over

650
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,439
Speaker 1: the course of the evening, could have had somebody else

651
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: do the texting while he went out and stocked her

652
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: and observed her with these guys and then eventually, you know,

653
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: bushwhacked and killed her out of jealousy. Oh yeah, but

654
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 1: I just want to say, you know, it's it's yeah,

655
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: and I think it's possible. I think I think the

656
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: Sons of Silence did it before. I think Jesse did it.

657
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: And I do not think the Sons of Silence did it.

658
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: So on, Um, so the next two theories are you know,

659
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: still foul play, um the not boyfriend theories. There is

660
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: one thing that I didn't mention, and that is the

661
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: surveillance footage that was released. There are only two little bits.

662
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: One of them is just a picture of Lauren leaving

663
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: for the night from her apartment. You see her from behind, No,

664
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: you see her from the front when she was Oh wait,

665
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: I thought you meant when she was leaving the apartment

666
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: at four in the morning. I'm getting. I'm getting at

667
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: the beginning of the night. She's kind of smiling. She's

668
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: got a white polo shirt on and some black pants

669
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: and I don't know why, I guess, like so that

670
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 1: people could know what she had looked like on that night.

671
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think that was a bad idea,

672
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: but whatever. And then the other thing that they have

673
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: released is um it's actual video footage of white truck

674
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: pup truck. It's white pickup truck. And the reason that

675
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 1: this interest them interested them was two reasons. One, they

676
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 1: thought it would actually be identifiable, because it does look

677
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: like there's some lettering on the side, though you can't

678
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: see it in any of the footage. It's not clear.

679
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 1: But the real reason that they're interested is that you

680
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: see Lauren walking down the street and you see the

681
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: truck go by, and then it circles the block and

682
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: comes background and passes again. And they think it would

683
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: be pretty easy, particularly given Lauren's size and current state,

684
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: to just quickly grab her and thrower in your truck

685
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,959
Speaker 1: and go off. Sure, and now this this took place

686
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 1: at what time? When it was this act she left?

687
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: It was like, yeah, and I know they tracked down

688
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: the owner, yet kind of a weak excuse, I thought,

689
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 1: can you remind me of what you thought? I don't

690
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,959
Speaker 1: remember hearing that they tracked I don't remember that either,

691
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: So I'm just wanting what I read is they they

692
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: actually found the owner I don't know exactly how they

693
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 1: did it. Maybe he recognized his own truck and came forward,

694
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: or what it turns out, he he has like a

695
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: construction company something, and he was he was trying to

696
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: find one of his employees picking him up for some reason.

697
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: So I thought was a little strange at that time

698
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: of the night. I mean, maybe he had a problem

699
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: employee who'd got in trouble with things like drinking or

700
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: something like that. Or if he instruction firm, that's when

701
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: they start. Maybe it was his morning. I mean, it's June,

702
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: it's light early, and it's got to be hot. That's true.

703
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: Good point, So maybe that was it. Maybe he wasn't

704
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 1: up late, Maybe he was up early. There are guys

705
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: that I live in a blue collar neighborhood, and there

706
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: are guys that come and pick up other workers or

707
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: you know, co workers in the area, and they're they're

708
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: super crazy early in the morning, especially this time of

709
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: the year. So it's I mean, it's it's possible that

710
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: that was the resolution to that white truck. It's possible

711
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: that that wasn't actually the white truck, but that that

712
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: person was like, I don't know, I was kind of

713
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: in that area at that time, and I have a

714
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 1: white truck and I was circling the block, So yeah,

715
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: maybe he thought, Yeah, I mean, you know I would

716
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: if I thought I might have been in that neighborhood,

717
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: might have been on that camera, I would have probably

718
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: gone to the police and said, listen, I can't tell

719
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: you exactly what moment I was driving around what block.

720
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: I can't tell you. You know, I don't know where

721
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: that surveillance camera was. Here's what my truck looks like,

722
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: here's what I was doing. Here the people who can

723
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 1: corroborate it, you know. But the reason that that white truck,

724
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: it kind of brings up this theory of foul play,

725
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 1: that opportunity, a crime of opportunity, right, that somebody could

726
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 1: have just been prowling for a victim for whatever kind

727
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 1: of crime they wanted to commit, whatever kind of probably

728
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: horrific crime they wanted to commit, and that Lauren, again,

729
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 1: given her size and state, would have been a really

730
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: really good She would have put up very little struggle

731
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: and you know, just overall would have been super easy

732
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: to abduct and you know, do whatever you wanted to

733
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: do with it, and then uh with her, Yeah, with

734
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: with her and then uh, you know, get rid of

735
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: the body however you wanted and wherever you wanted to,

736
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: and it would be pretty hard to track. The next

737
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: foul play theory is Corey That Corey killed her. Mr

738
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: I hirt on the stairs. Yeah, there are a couple theories.

739
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 1: Here's possibly, uh, Corey drugged Lauren hoping to get lucky

740
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: in like the illegal way. Yeah, so you r in

741
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: the bar, I guess. And I should point out that

742
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: we didn't originate that theory. It's out there in the end. Yeah, No,

743
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 1: none of this is original. Time. Maybe Corey got mad

744
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,720
Speaker 1: at Lauren for spurning his advances and hit her. Really,

745
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: the thing about Corey is that really, no matter how

746
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: you cut it, there's he probably does at least have

747
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: a part ownership of her disappearance. Not that's not to

748
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: say that she should have been responsible for her own

749
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 1: damn actions, but it does seem like he was continuing

750
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: to encourage her to continue to be intoxicated and then

751
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,879
Speaker 1: and then when he was supposed to be taking care

752
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,760
Speaker 1: of her, whether he was fit to or not, didn't

753
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: really escalate. I mean, you know, if somebody falls over

754
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: and hit their head as hard as it sounds like

755
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: she did. You don't just drag I mean, you know,

756
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: you shouldn't just take her somewhere and like let her sleep,

757
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:14,439
Speaker 1: Like don't even if you're like super super drunk. I mean,

758
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: you know, again, it comes down to that bad judgment

759
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 1: that we were talking about earlier. Um, But I would

760
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: say I feel a little weird about saying that he

761
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: definitely has a hand in being responsible for her disappearance.

762
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 1: But I still feel like that. But it's just like

763
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: it's a weird thing for me, right because I don't

764
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: necessarily know if they were both super drunk, but he

765
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: seemed like he was definitely more sober than she was,

766
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: so the hope would be, I mean he wasn't. If

767
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: I disagree that he was maybe more sober, the fact

768
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: that he walked in his house and tried to walk

769
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: up the steps and and lost the contents of his

770
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: guts means that he was pretty toasted and was probably

771
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: carrying on a big belly full of hard booze. Yes,

772
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: But the reason that I say he was more intoxicated

773
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: than she was more intoxicated than him is that she

774
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: wasn't even able to walk at that point. He was

775
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: at least amilatory, right, I mean in decision making and

776
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: you know whatever aside, he wasn't like, like so drunk

777
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: that he was just falling over sitting down there. There

778
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: is such a thing as being able to function well

779
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: blackout drunk. Sure, yeah, And so that's that's the only

780
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: thing that I'm getting at, is that he may he

781
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: may have been you know, it's like sleep walking at

782
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: that point. He's just doing things and you know, as

783
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: a drunken mission. I well, but I will, I guess

784
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: I will add to that that I do feel And

785
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: I'm sorry Corey if you're listening to but I really

786
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: genuinely do feel like he knows more about what happened

787
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: that night than he's saying that he knows. I know

788
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: that face that you're making, Steve, I just think he does.

789
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: We've all lost time, you know, from a from a

790
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: heavy night of boozing. Yeah, it seems unlikely the actually

791
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: killed her, abducted or killed her or anything like intentionally.

792
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: Well even well, I mean she unless his roommate Mike

793
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: is lying. Also, oh yeah, and what's the other guy?

794
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: J J would have to be in on it as

795
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 1: well as So why don't we move to the next

796
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 1: theory that kind of helps explain all of this life.

797
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: They then not foul play, but kind of foul play. Um.

798
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:38,720
Speaker 1: One thing I have not mentioned yet is that Lauren

799
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: actually had what is called long QT syndrome, which is

800
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: a heart condition that basically means your heart beat can

801
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: be really off and actually can be spontaneously fatal in

802
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: and of itself, like you can literally just keel over

803
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: and die from having this being perfectly healthy, just sitting there,

804
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,240
Speaker 1: totally sober and like normal all the time. Luckily for Lauren,

805
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: I don't think that's what killed her. I well, I

806
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: don't know, so that it's actually interesting because Lauren's parents

807
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: are very sure that Lauren is dead, and they really

808
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: think her drink may have been drugged, but that it

809
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: was drugs alcohol caused her to have a cardiac attack

810
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: or you know, the rest of some kind of the

811
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: rhythm gets off and then it skips a beat, and

812
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: then it misses a beat, and then it doesn't pick that.

813
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: I would actually kind of even maybe you give a

814
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: vote to following her backwards. It's smashing her head on

815
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: a concrete step, maybe having a cerebral hemorrhage or something

816
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, absolutely. You know, it wouldn't surprise me

817
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: to find out that she had been roofied or otherwise

818
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: date drugged. I remember that being really big. I so

819
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: I when I was in Bloomington, Alliant, Illinois. Um I

820
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: was there until two thousand and ten, so I was

821
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: there kind of around the same time, and it was

822
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: like a really big thing. I got lucky and they

823
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 1: thought my Long Island iced tea or they thought my friend,

824
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: my like gay best friends Long Island nice to you

825
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: was mine, and drugged his instead of mine. But like

826
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 1: he went from like, you know, totally fine to like

827
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: crazy drunk within you know, ten minutes and just had

828
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: no memory of the entire night. And it's just but

829
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it wouldn't surprise me to find

830
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: out that she had been drugged in one way or another.

831
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: But also I think it's not a crazy idea to

832
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: think that her parents are just unwilling to see how

833
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: far into the party scene Lauren was. It's not an

834
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: uncommon thing with parents to to justify some of it

835
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: to deny another part that's less convenient or less it

836
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 1: is more painful. Yeah, so you know, for them to say, like, yeah,

837
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: she was drinking and that's fine, but she must have

838
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: been drugged. What sounds like she was doing a lot

839
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: of drugs on her own accord. But the one way

840
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: to tell if she was rooting in the bar's just

841
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: to check her state going in another state coming out.

842
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 1: We know what she left the bar, she was hammered,

843
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 1: Was she already hammered? What she went into the bar?

844
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: It's hard to tell though. I mean, she was there

845
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: for like an hour, for minutes CCTV footage, might you know,

846
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 1: if they actually have video of her, they could probably

847
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,439
Speaker 1: tell her she was staggering then, I mean, of course

848
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: that she was really hammered, then would they have let

849
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: her in the bar? Well? But I mean, you know,

850
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 1: there are some drugs you can do and they'll take

851
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: forty minutes to kick in, right. Stuff could have kicked

852
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: in while she was at the bar, as well as

853
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: her being drugged at the actual bar. So during the

854
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: pregame thing we mentioned there were some drugs which I

855
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: didn't see, but Steve you said it was on the Wikipedia,

856
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: which yeah, well, and I've seen some other places. They

857
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: found coke in her room, not a lot, but a

858
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: little bit of cocaine and then according to Jay they

859
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: had been snorting. They've been crushing up and snorting clon

860
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: a pin, which is an anti seizure medication, which like, fine, well,

861
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 1: and I had to read about it. I apparently people

862
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 1: like it because it's you know, it's a it's a

863
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: relax it it's not a stimulant. It's kind of relaxing.

864
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: So it's out of the antich coke. Yeah, exactly. So

865
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: it's weird. I mean people, it's weird to me when

866
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: people like do to drugs. I want to get really high,

867
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 1: but then I need something to bring me right back down,

868
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna I mean, that almost seems like they

869
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: were spiking, doing that you know, up and down routine

870
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 1: and throwing booze in the middle just to see what happens. Yeah, yeah,

871
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 1: it sounds like fun. Yeah. So, I mean she was

872
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 1: It's not crazy to think that, you know, she had

873
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: just overindulged. And I mean, Lauren was obviously very aware

874
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: of her own heart conditions, So any number of the

875
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,919
Speaker 1: combinations of any of the things that we've talked about

876
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: already could have really just caused a massive heart failure

877
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: for her, I mean, or just being sober obviously, and

878
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: then again or it could have been one of the

879
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: like four or five times she fell over and hit

880
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: her head real hard. Well, being aware of her own

881
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: heart condition and the potential impacts of drugs and alcohol

882
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: on that, I think you can counteract that with the

883
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 1: I'm twenty years old and in invincible, I will never die. Yeah.

884
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like she had had a couple

885
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: of scares, so it is interesting that she still was

886
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: so feeling like she was so invincible, but you know whatever,

887
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: she'd be okay. Yeah. Well, I've also heard some reports

888
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: from students that were at Indiana State University at the time,

889
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: and the consensus from them was that Corey, Mike, and

890
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: j were actually well known high volume drug dealers in

891
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:32,760
Speaker 1: Bloomington at the time. Um, So the theory here would

892
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 1: go that through whatever kind of circumstances, either Lauren o'deed

893
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 1: just like flat out o'deed, or she got super drunk

894
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 1: and you know whatever. But for whatever reason, they found

895
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: themselves with the dead Lauren on their hands, and since

896
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: they were drug dealers and loaded and loaded. Instead of

897
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 1: doing the responsible humane thing and you know, calling the

898
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: cops or taking her to the hospital or whatever, they

899
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: decided that they would dump her in the Ohio River,

900
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: which there is some some corroboration to this story, though

901
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: it's been redacted or retracted. Was just a big black

902
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: market at that it was a jail hus snitch thing,

903
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: but it was. It was a weird jail huff snitch thing,

904
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: and that they got a tip from the cellmate of

905
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: one of the guys. He was like and then um,

906
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,240
Speaker 1: they interviewed the guy who was friends with that group

907
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: and he said, no, I don't know anything about that.

908
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: I've never known anything about that, and I don't want

909
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 1: to be involved in that at all. Absolutely not. I

910
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: have no knowledge of that. But whatsoever? Uh, in kind

911
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: of like a too frantic way, Well, that guy's story

912
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: is hilarious and he is probably gun shy because he

913
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,720
Speaker 1: is if he's the one who loved this. He got

914
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: so loaded on drugs that he walked out of his

915
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:57,919
Speaker 1: house wearing nothing but a baseball cap, holding a gun

916
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: and started shooting it. And it is some of the

917
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 1: it's the funniest look in CCTV images I've seen every

918
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: because you're like, wait, I mean it's grainy, but is

919
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: he wearing like skin colors? Oh god, No, he's naked.

920
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: It's pretty intense. So he said that he knew the guys,

921
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 1: and he actually said that he had helped initially with

922
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,439
Speaker 1: the whole dumping, and he you know, said it to

923
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: some jailhouse guys and then um totally retracted it. And

924
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: it might not even it might not have actually been

925
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: about Lauren. That maybe why he was so scared, because

926
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 1: he may have helped somebody with a body for something. Well,

927
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 1: the reasonings. The reason that it came up was because

928
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: they were watching a thing on Lauren and he like

929
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: looked at the pictures of Lauren and said, oh, yeah,

930
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: that's the body that I helped dump in the Ohio River. Yeah.

931
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 1: But the thing about it is I heard this story

932
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: and they basically loaded it into a car, took it

933
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: out and just through in the river, which didn't she

934
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: float well? And to me, it's like it's like that's

935
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: a prescripture for having the body turned up about twenty

936
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: ft downstream, tangled in the brush. You know. It's like,

937
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: we won't have a boat take her out in the middle.

938
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: At least she'll show up like miles downstream hopefully. Yeah,

939
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: she's not a hard drive, No, not exactly now, she's not.

940
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: But I don't know, I mean, it's not it's also

941
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 1: not like crazy unheard of that people get really lucky

942
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: dumping bodies and she got stuck, you know, under a

943
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: rock at the bottom, and usually they pop up sooner

944
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: or later, though, yeah, or you know, it's possible that

945
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: could she could have popped up and you know, a

946
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,919
Speaker 1: bunch of miles down the river and she's a Jane

947
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 1: Doe somewhere. I mean, you know, it's possible. It seems

948
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: to be that every time they find a straight body

949
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: anywhere near anyone within a couple of hundred miles, they

950
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: always test to make sure it's not her that they yeah. Yeah.

951
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: The another possibility, too, is that she didn't o d

952
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: at all. Another one who said, you know, she just

953
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: like like sort of lost consciousness because of a cerebral hemorrhage,

954
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: and they thought she had just passed out, so they

955
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 1: just heared, you know, we'll let her sleep it off.

956
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: The next morning, she's cold and stiff, Yeah, and it's like, oh,

957
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: something happened here. And by the way, especially as some

958
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: they had actually maybe slipt her roof. Yeah, and that's

959
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: in her bloodstream then, like that's kind of incriminating. Yeah.

960
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: So I mean realistically, when it comes down to it,

961
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: I do feel that the that Mike, j and Corey

962
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: know more that their stories are not exactly what happened

963
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: that night, Um, I think, And I think that's just

964
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: because that's it gives me the most closure you I've

965
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: I've been around enough super blasted but uncooperative people. Joe

966
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: and I used to know a girl who would show

967
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: up and we would be having a beer and she'd

968
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: walk in, just housed, and then you would find out

969
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: she had been doing some drugs as well. There was

970
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: I mean, she would just fall flat on her face

971
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 1: and people would try to help her, and she was combative.

972
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: She's like, no, no, I'm finally be alone, and people

973
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: like let me walk. You don't know, like people do this.

974
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: And so that's why, having seen that firsthand enough times,

975
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: I'm not willing to completely say that these boys, while

976
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: probably happy to get a problem child off of their hands,

977
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: may not have actually done anything and she may have

978
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: just left and there was just no way to hold her,

979
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: I mean somebody down. Yeah, but then what do you

980
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: think happened to her? Well? I think that there is

981
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,800
Speaker 1: there is that possibility that she was just a random

982
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: of duck tee. You know, it happens, it uh, and

983
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: it's til you'd be very vulnerable at four thirty in

984
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: the morning, a very tiny girl ninety pounds hammered, staggering

985
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: that she would obviously be a target. Yeah, and so

986
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 1: you know, actually I think it's entirely possible. I mean,

987
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: obviously you kind of got to go when anybody disappears

988
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: or dies or is murdered or anything, you you kind

989
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: of immediately look at their immediate circle of friends. But

990
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 1: you know that's not true of the time that it

991
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 1: was a friend or a family member or whatever who

992
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: did asked them. It could actually have been and she

993
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: was definitely a ripe target. Yeah, it's just a question

994
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: of did the right dude or the on dude, I

995
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: guess turn up at the right time. Totally. Yeah. Yeah, well,

996
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 1: and you know, and I tried to look. I mean,

997
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 1: it's not as if Bloomington's has a rash of college

998
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 1: age girls being abducted and killed. There's been three in

999
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 1: the last twenty some years. One was two thousand or

1000
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: the late nineties, and then there's Lauren, and then there

1001
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 1: was there was the girl. Yeah, and she was a

1002
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 1: couple of years later, but they caught the dude who

1003
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: who took her and killed her, and he was a

1004
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: big suspect in this one. I think his name was Messil,

1005
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 1: was it Messil something like that, but he was he

1006
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,359
Speaker 1: was I don't know. He didn't do a great job

1007
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: of getting rid of Halley's body, no, I mean, yeah,

1008
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 1: I mean there was one girl who was not a

1009
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: college student, who just lived in Bloomington's who also went missing,

1010
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: and I believe she's still missing. She was like twenty

1011
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: nine when she went missing, almost within a year of

1012
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: when Lauren went missing. So I certainly there is a

1013
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: possibility that there was just serial killer or serial abductor

1014
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: you know whatever. Yeah, I mean there's again, it's I mean,

1015
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: there's always circumstances. I mean, you know. One of the

1016
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: things that they did that it's really weird the way

1017
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: they went about it. But they searched the local dump

1018
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: in case they could find her body, which I don't

1019
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 1: know how how good of the search that you could

1020
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: take on an active dump site, because the theory is

1021
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: a somebody killed her and threw her into the trash,

1022
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 1: kind of like what Lonnie the grim Sleeper Lonnie got

1023
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: his last name slipped my mind. Or somebody didn't chuck

1024
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: her put her in a garage bag and just put

1025
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 1: her in the trash, or she was so drunk she

1026
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 1: was trying to find somewhere to go to sleep and

1027
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: crawled into a dumpster which was then picked up, you know,

1028
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 1: not too long after, and she was crushed. I don't know.

1029
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 1: I don't think Lauren could have possibly been that drunk.

1030
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: I didn't know her, of course, but I've never eaten.

1031
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:00,879
Speaker 1: In my drunkest moments, it would be a great idea

1032
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: to crawl into a dumpster and take a nap. I

1033
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 1: would agree with that. I don't think she probably did

1034
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: it on her own, but no, I think, yeah, there

1035
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: was a pretty sizable investigation and search that happened for her.

1036
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 1: And one of the things they did two weeks they

1037
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: spent at the top, right did Yeah, and I think

1038
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: they probably did a pretty good job. But yeah, yeah,

1039
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: I guess it's true. We can't rule out that it

1040
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: was just spontaneous, but um, yeah, I think that's all

1041
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 1: the theories. But yeah, that's about it. Well, there's always

1042
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: she ran away to start a new life, which is

1043
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: probably not a good one. We could hope, I guess

1044
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: I yeah, you could hope. There's always a possibility to

1045
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: that she wasn't heardd maybe she's being held against her will.

1046
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: Even to think about that one, that's a dad. I

1047
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: know that kind of sucks too. Yeah, it does. No,

1048
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: I don't I don't really have anything else. I mean,

1049
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: there's talk of people being abducted for sex, slavery rings.

1050
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: It's so it's something akin to what Joe was saying.

1051
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: But there doesn't well, there is illicit activity. It doesn't

1052
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: seem that Bloomington would be a place to to go

1053
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: picking up girls to then take them to a larger city.

1054
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: It just it doesn't make sense college town. Yeah, it's

1055
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: just that it's it's an hour away from the next

1056
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 1: biggest town, which seems to be the problem. Um that

1057
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: I don't know enough about the slave You probably don't

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Speaker 1: want to don't do so really, I got nothing. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I I don't think that the guys did anything. I

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Speaker 1: don't know why I do. I just do. You just

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Speaker 1: don't trust. I just don't trust those three guys. I

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Speaker 1: just do not trust for some reason. Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: there is that that and that didn't really help their case.

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Speaker 1: I understand why they lawyered up, you know, but that

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Speaker 1: always looks a little bit bad to the public. Well

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Speaker 1: it's not. It's not the act of lawyering up. It's

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Speaker 1: more the withholding of any relevant information is really the

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Speaker 1: thing that looks guilty. But it's you know whatever, all right.

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Speaker 1: Um So, if you want to see some of the

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Speaker 1: of all of the episode we've ever done, you can

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Speaker 1: do all of those things on our website, which is

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Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways podcast dot com. You can listen to us

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Speaker 1: have a Facebook group and a Facebook page, so like

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Speaker 1: all those emails. Um, we're getting pretty slow these days

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Speaker 1: because we're getting a lot of emails. But don't let

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Speaker 1: that discourage you. Yeah, but send us an email anyway

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Speaker 1: That email address is thinking Sideways podcast at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 1: All of that having been said, I think we're going

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Speaker 1: to just go ahead and get on out of here.

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Speaker 1: So I was like playing, alright, bye guys, Bye everybody.