Speaker 1: Welcome to the Clubhouse with Shane Bacon, a production of
Speaker 1: I Heart Radio Welcome to the Cubhouse with Shane Bacon.
Speaker 1: I am your host, Shane Bacon, and usually we might
Speaker 1: play the Master's theme music right about now. It's Monday morning,
Speaker 1: you're waking up. If typically you would be heady to work,
Speaker 1: your mind would be elsewhere, it would be in Augusta,
Speaker 1: preparing for golf fans top two or three favorite week
Speaker 1: of the year. I understand that I am the exact
Speaker 1: same way. I was supposed to be flying to Augusta
Speaker 1: on Monday and had some things to do, when was
Speaker 1: gonna go out to the tournament, and really just it's
Speaker 1: a part of my year that is extremely special. While
Speaker 1: I'm not broadcasting it and it's not the US Open,
Speaker 1: I feel like you get to see a lot of friends,
Speaker 1: and you see a lot of faces, and you chat
Speaker 1: with some people that you really only get a chance
Speaker 1: to chat with during that week. And of course, with
Speaker 1: everything going on, that's not gonna happen. And while our
Speaker 1: thoughts are with everyone dealing with everything that we are
Speaker 1: facing currently, of course, as a golf podcast and as
Speaker 1: a golf fan, you know we're bummed out that there's
Speaker 1: no Masters, and that is what today's podcast is about.
Speaker 1: I had my friend Scott Van Pelt of ESPN, who
Speaker 1: is they're covering it every single year, jump on normally
Speaker 1: we do this podcast and we're talking about conditions and
Speaker 1: the way the Greens are playing and who's informed and
Speaker 1: can Tiger win another one? And all of those questions
Speaker 1: roll out, and of course none of that did, but
Speaker 1: it was a good conversation. It was a fun conversation.
Speaker 1: Scott is one of my favorite people in all of
Speaker 1: sports media, and we went along. We we broke down
Speaker 1: our five favorite Masters ever at the end of the podcast,
Speaker 1: so stick around for that. And just simply a couple
Speaker 1: of guys talking about something that they're going to miss
Speaker 1: that's a big part of their lives, and that is
Speaker 1: the Master's Tournament of Augustina, Nashville, and that is what
Speaker 1: today is. So just hoping everybod he's out there staying
Speaker 1: safe and smart and healthy and following guidelines and protocol.
Speaker 1: I am doing that. We're hunkered down at the house
Speaker 1: and man, my hands, I'm washing my hands so much
Speaker 1: that they're cracking. I've got the knuckle crack going so
Speaker 1: I've been I've been overlotioning the hands now because I'm
Speaker 1: over washing the hands to stay safe. This is what
Speaker 1: happens in two thousand twenty, apparently, this is what we
Speaker 1: deal with. But just a reminder that I've got another
Speaker 1: podcast with Maxima called Get a Grip with Max Homa
Speaker 1: and Shane Bacon, and that that will roll out on
Speaker 1: Monday as well, and of course we will chat about
Speaker 1: Max and what he thought would be his first trip
Speaker 1: to Augustin Nahal and his first Masters, and plenty of
Speaker 1: other shenanigans that we will figure out when we figure
Speaker 1: it out. Big thanks for following and for listening and subscribing.
Speaker 1: You can follow at the Clubhouse Pod on Twitter and
Speaker 1: on Instagram, and we continually give out stuff over there,
Speaker 1: so make sure you do that. Let's get to our guests. Well,
Speaker 1: we welcome back into the Clubhouse, Scott van Pelt and Scott.
Speaker 1: Normally this calls on a Monday. You may or may
Speaker 1: not be breaking augusta national cell phone protocol and policy
Speaker 1: talking to me about the week. That is an excitement
Speaker 1: happening around the Gulf world and uh and yet we
Speaker 1: sit here at our respective homes across the country, and
Speaker 1: it's a bomber man. I mean, there's so many things
Speaker 1: that are a bummer about what's happening right now. But
Speaker 1: you know, the Masters is this thing that we have
Speaker 1: circled every single year, and of course now it's Master's
Speaker 1: Week with no golf to be had, it's really really
Speaker 1: difficult to not be there this week. And I mean,
Speaker 1: I'll say this at the very beginning, and I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna say it again. Obviously this is framed by what's
Speaker 1: going on and what is you know, clearly more serious
Speaker 1: and as the health of people across the country and
Speaker 1: people that are losing jobs, and we understand all those
Speaker 1: because two things could be true at once. We can
Speaker 1: be concerned about that and at the same time be
Speaker 1: really bummed out about what we would be doing in
Speaker 1: the absence of this pandemic, which is being at Augusta
Speaker 1: and enjoying this week. And it is change. It's my
Speaker 1: favorite week of the year, and I've been I mean,
Speaker 1: this is my twenty year ESPN. I've been there every
Speaker 1: single year since I've been with the ESPN, and so
Speaker 1: to not be there is I mean odd doesn't begin
Speaker 1: to do it justice. It's just it's really really impossible
Speaker 1: to process. Rankly, Yeah, I was gonna ask how many
Speaker 1: you've been to in a row? I mean dating back
Speaker 1: to Golf Channel. Did you get to go back in
Speaker 1: the Golf Channel days or did all that start ESPN? No,
Speaker 1: My first one was ninety seven, which was a good
Speaker 1: one to make your debut at UM. We showed up
Speaker 1: and like, oh, this is a this is this is
Speaker 1: how they do it here. Uh, that was the first
Speaker 1: one and I missed what isn't that omare is a
Speaker 1: ninety eight? But I want to say, I think I
Speaker 1: think it's been everyone but one since ninety seven. I
Speaker 1: honestly don't remember. Um, I just know that ever since,
Speaker 1: you know, ever since yes, I started with ESPN, I know,
Speaker 1: I know for a fact, it's been all of those.
Speaker 1: So I mean, and it's been you know, I've been
Speaker 1: really fortunate, I think in terms of the job descriptions there,
Speaker 1: I've kind of done every bit of it, whether it's
Speaker 1: being on the ground reporter who's doing the interviews post round,
Speaker 1: whether it's being an you know, Uh, it used to
Speaker 1: be over at to Gustic Country Club where we initially
Speaker 1: had our setup where we were doing sports and our stuff.
Speaker 1: And then and then obviously in Mike Tiko took the
Speaker 1: job with NBC and I split into the Butler cabin
Speaker 1: and do some stuff there. So I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: I've had kind of uh, I've had a great opportunity
Speaker 1: to have some of the variety of of of covering
Speaker 1: the event. But I mean, let's be honest, whatever your
Speaker 1: job is, if you're on the grounds, just to be
Speaker 1: there for the week is just such a treat and
Speaker 1: it's one that, as I say, it's what we look
Speaker 1: forward to all year, all year long. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it's it's really across the board. I mean, you said it,
Speaker 1: it is. If you're in the broadcasting space this week,
Speaker 1: it's an unbelievable experience and you cannot wait to get there.
Speaker 1: If you're a writer, it's a big week to to
Speaker 1: really kind of propel your stories on the front page,
Speaker 1: not just at the sports page, but potentially on the
Speaker 1: front page of news if Tiger or somebody got in
Speaker 1: the hunt and had a chance to win. And I
Speaker 1: always feel like for the golfers, I mean, for the
Speaker 1: guys that are playing, all of the weeks matter sure,
Speaker 1: but you know this one matters a lot more for
Speaker 1: the players, especially the events they have played leading up
Speaker 1: to Augusta Nationals. So universally, it's just one of those
Speaker 1: where I went to my my iPhone app on Wednesday
Speaker 1: of last week and deleted Masters scheduling for the week.
Speaker 1: It was it was one of those as I'm hitting
Speaker 1: delete event, I just wanted to take a moment, go
Speaker 1: for a walk, or just go sit outside in the
Speaker 1: backyard because I couldn't believe that this was actually happening.
Speaker 1: You've talked a lot about the Masters with me over
Speaker 1: the years and how important of a week it is
Speaker 1: for you personally. When you got the call the first
Speaker 1: time to go work the Master's tournament, you know this
Speaker 1: thing circled on every golf and every sports fans calendar.
Speaker 1: What was it like for you personally and professionally, knowing
Speaker 1: now this was always going to be something you've done well,
Speaker 1: it's it's it represents something on as you say correctly
Speaker 1: on the calendar that you know is it's a legend maker, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're Larry Mies and you're gonna have
Speaker 1: one moment in your career, and he had more than one,
Speaker 1: but if you're gonna have one, one moment, make it,
Speaker 1: make it on the eleventh hole against Greg Norman in
Speaker 1: your hometown, and make it and make it an all
Speaker 1: time moment. And so going to a place like that
Speaker 1: where you know that history has made every year, as
Speaker 1: Phelt Nicholson says correctly, um, and to think that you're
Speaker 1: going to get a chance to be part of covering it.
Speaker 1: It was obviously going to be a big deal, and
Speaker 1: then it turned into something far more than that. It
Speaker 1: became truly historic as a as a newsmaking event because
Speaker 1: Tiger wanted and then getting a chance to sit down
Speaker 1: and talk to him about it after the fact, and
Speaker 1: that that interview really helped propel You're right when you said,
Speaker 1: I mean you get it propelled my career Without him
Speaker 1: winning at ninety seven and having a chance to sit
Speaker 1: down with him after the fact and him giving me
Speaker 1: the time he gave me and being as great as
Speaker 1: he was in that interview, I don't think my my
Speaker 1: career um rises in the way that it did. So
Speaker 1: I mean I was he was the tide that lifted
Speaker 1: all boats, and I was just one of those boats.
Speaker 1: So I didn't know when I got to go there,
Speaker 1: you know that it would be that. But that's that's
Speaker 1: every bit of what it was. I remember my first
Speaker 1: Masters covering that I was writing, I believe for CBS
Speaker 1: Sports at the time, and just arriving and while you're
Speaker 1: on eggshells because you don't want to do anything wrong
Speaker 1: to possibly lose your credential or your badge. At the
Speaker 1: same time, you know, every single year I've gone since
Speaker 1: it is what are the is is gonna look at
Speaker 1: when I get there? What's the golf course gonna play like?
Speaker 1: What's the new merch? I mean, they're all of these
Speaker 1: little checklist that I think are a little forgot, and
Speaker 1: that's just for people to get a chance to go.
Speaker 1: What are you and your team planning this week in
Speaker 1: terms of quote unquote coverage of the Masters, look backs
Speaker 1: on on past tournaments and events. What are you guys
Speaker 1: gonna do to kind of keep this theme going despite
Speaker 1: not having an actual live tournament. Well, we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: to Jack always. Any any Masters list begins with Jack
Speaker 1: because he's Jack Um. We're gonna have a conversation, I know,
Speaker 1: with Bubba because we're doing primetime broadcasts of events that
Speaker 1: that are of past Masters, and we're gonna talk to
Speaker 1: Bubba as well. Um, and it's funny you think about
Speaker 1: that shot when the Pines tryn ten and you know,
Speaker 1: like again a legend maker. Um, we're gonna talk to
Speaker 1: Jim nance I believe Monday that's the goal anyway, but
Speaker 1: it's it's really dependent upon his his schedule. And I
Speaker 1: mean talked about a guy who has the greatest week
Speaker 1: every year. I mean, he called the national title game
Speaker 1: on a day night. You're calling the Master's champion the
Speaker 1: following something, and that would have been an easy drive
Speaker 1: from Atlanta. And my heart breaks for Jim this for
Speaker 1: for his week. Um, we've got some other feelers out.
Speaker 1: I mean I threw it out the Tiger. It's always
Speaker 1: a matter that you know, if he's got the time
Speaker 1: or if he's even Um interested isn't even right word,
Speaker 1: because I mean it's just it's just a matter of
Speaker 1: do you want to sit down and and and and
Speaker 1: talk about this, because I'm sure he's pumped out, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it means different things to different people,
Speaker 1: but it's all some version of the same thing, which
Speaker 1: is how much do you miss it? But it'll be
Speaker 1: you know, prime time coverage of the event, you know,
Speaker 1: and I think I found myself watching the Women's Amateur
Speaker 1: over the weekend. I just I just enjoyed and by
Speaker 1: the way, they played great, But I just you just
Speaker 1: want to see people hit shots on the holes that
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, You just want to see it.
Speaker 1: You wanna, you wanna more than any other golf course
Speaker 1: in the world, just seeing that it's the only course
Speaker 1: where the course is the only event, rather where the
Speaker 1: course is the star. Truly, truly, the course is the star.
Speaker 1: And so I mean, I guess throughout the week we'll
Speaker 1: have the course on TV if you want to watch it.
Speaker 1: If it's too painful, I get that too. And you're
Speaker 1: you're out here deleting apps. I get it. Man, You're
Speaker 1: just going to see that phone number pop up on
Speaker 1: your phone and see that see that x's name. I
Speaker 1: guess you just wanted to be a number and like,
Speaker 1: I don't know who that is. I'm not answering that goal.
Speaker 1: You you brought up Tiger, and this was something that
Speaker 1: I was discussing with a buddy just yesterday and you
Speaker 1: say bummer and again you already said it, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say it to start this podcast. This is very,
Speaker 1: very small potatoes in terms of what's going on. But
Speaker 1: for Tiger Woods, you know, he's forty four years old.
Speaker 1: He turns forty five at the end of this year.
Speaker 1: Of course, he wins this thing last year and it
Speaker 1: was an unreal moment. I'm gonna ask you for your
Speaker 1: five favorite Masters a little bit later, and I'm assuming
Speaker 1: probably gonna sneak in there somewhere. But for Tiger Woods,
Speaker 1: all of the things he's accomplished, all the stuff he's
Speaker 1: done in his lifetime to miss a Master's potentially now
Speaker 1: we don't really know what the schedule is going to
Speaker 1: be like for the rest of this year year, and
Speaker 1: maybe October, maybe November, obviously the rumors have swirled around.
Speaker 1: But for Tiger to miss a Master's, a regular masters
Speaker 1: is a huge letdown for the guy because he doesn't
Speaker 1: have a whole bunch of years left to go out
Speaker 1: there and possibly get another green jacket. Now, you're right,
Speaker 1: and I felt the same way for Federer and for
Speaker 1: Serena with Wimbledon, and that's more definitive because that's canceled.
Speaker 1: You know, that's not postponed, that's canceled. And it's a
Speaker 1: little different obviously in golf you can go, you can
Speaker 1: go longer. Um. And for Federal and Serena, it's at
Speaker 1: that time is really getting short for them. But if
Speaker 1: if you didn't have the Masters, then been clearly for
Speaker 1: for Tiger, like, how many more are there where you
Speaker 1: really truly can serve that he's got a legitimate shot? Um,
Speaker 1: not many, I mean, not not ten, not maybe five.
Speaker 1: I mean you tell me that's a lot. That's a
Speaker 1: lot too for being honest. So, um, who knows given
Speaker 1: the fact that his back had been acting up and
Speaker 1: if it turned into a fall deal, maybe that actually
Speaker 1: benefits him in some way. Um, you know, of course
Speaker 1: it could be cooler than Yeah. But but just in
Speaker 1: the grand scheme, just the idea for anybody that whose
Speaker 1: age starts with the four, um, whose bank is fused. Uh,
Speaker 1: you want as many clean cracks at it as you
Speaker 1: can get. And this one is uh for the moment,
Speaker 1: it's it's a question mark. We don't know. Yeah, what's
Speaker 1: been the event. I'm assuming we're gonna both throw the
Speaker 1: Masters out because you've already said it's your favorite week
Speaker 1: of the year, and I'm a little bit of a
Speaker 1: golf nerd. I don't know if you knew this or not.
Speaker 1: And the Masters is one of my favorite couch couch
Speaker 1: weeks of the year, or if I'm somewhere in and
Speaker 1: around August, is just one of my favorite events to
Speaker 1: be around. What's been the one that has bummed you
Speaker 1: out the most? And you're a guy that gets to
Speaker 1: cover everything when you talk about every single sport, high school, college, pro, everything,
Speaker 1: what's been the event that you've either already missed or
Speaker 1: is coming up that's going to be missed or possibly
Speaker 1: canceled that's really bummed you out as a sports fan.
Speaker 1: It's not close. I mean, like the Masters is different
Speaker 1: because it's so personal um and and so that's that's brutal.
Speaker 1: But as much as that week being put on pause
Speaker 1: for now, I'm still hopeful that it's a fall deal.
Speaker 1: The incident played tournament not being played is you can
Speaker 1: never reconcile that. I mean, I root for Maryland. I
Speaker 1: don't think that's any great closely held secret. And they
Speaker 1: were they were pretty good. I mean they want to
Speaker 1: share the Big ten. I don't know, they'd probably been
Speaker 1: a I don't know, three seed, maybe four seed, to
Speaker 1: be a two if they won the big team whatever,
Speaker 1: it is they were. They were one of those teams
Speaker 1: that had a shot to me to Atlanta, and um,
Speaker 1: you know, their senior point guard is Oh is gone.
Speaker 1: Their junior I mean, their soft or big man a
Speaker 1: Jayleen Smith, I presume is going to go pro. So
Speaker 1: that means that you'll never get a chance to see
Speaker 1: that team. And and you know, Kansas fans are going,
Speaker 1: you know, hey, we were really good. Of course they
Speaker 1: were number one in Michigan State fans and Gonzaga fans
Speaker 1: and you know, Duke fans. I can keep going. There's
Speaker 1: any college team out there that that that had a
Speaker 1: shot is thinking we could have made it to Atlanta.
Speaker 1: UM and by the way, any of these teams could
Speaker 1: have lost in the first round too. Gate My god,
Speaker 1: they had the best year they've ever had. So you
Speaker 1: know that that tournament not being played is just crushing
Speaker 1: to me because it's it's my favorite three week event
Speaker 1: of the year. And um, I mean it's just never
Speaker 1: going to be I just don't know how you ever
Speaker 1: make that makes sense. Yeah, I went to Arizona Scott
Speaker 1: and I think this might be the first year since
Speaker 1: maybe the year after I graduated where I was actually
Speaker 1: okay with the tournament not happening because this team was
Speaker 1: I was going so nuts with this basketball team and
Speaker 1: program and coaching and last five minutes and of course
Speaker 1: the tournament being canceled was It was a massive bummer.
Speaker 1: As as a sports fan and somebody that likes to
Speaker 1: a bracket and keep up with it for a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks, but as a personal Arizona fan, I didn't
Speaker 1: think we were going to have much of a run.
Speaker 1: I didn't think our chances were that great to do
Speaker 1: stuff that maybe some of the other teams have been
Speaker 1: talked into from experts and others are like, you guys
Speaker 1: are actually fastening in case study because analytically they really
Speaker 1: liked you a lot, Like there are a number of
Speaker 1: different sort of models that really would really favorite Arizona.
Speaker 1: And then there the fact that they've lost a bunch
Speaker 1: of games put them on you know, the pracketologists seed
Speaker 1: lines that were lower, which would have made for a
Speaker 1: very interesting situation because you guys might have been seated
Speaker 1: lower than the kind of predictive models would have suggested,
Speaker 1: which might have indicated chain and maybe you guys would
Speaker 1: have been ready for a run. You never know, But
Speaker 1: see that's the thing you just you don't know and
Speaker 1: you'll never know. And that's the part that just is
Speaker 1: crushing to me, is like you'll you me and none
Speaker 1: of us will ever know, and that just sucks. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: something you did that I love and and something you
Speaker 1: really do with your show that I've always been impressed by,
Speaker 1: and something I tried to you know, if this is
Speaker 1: a compliment I try to man make a bit is
Speaker 1: you have always tried to spend stuff positively. I although
Speaker 1: I feel like with Bad Beats, Bad Beats is a
Speaker 1: fun segment. It highlights a negative, but I feel like
Speaker 1: you turned into a positive because you have so much
Speaker 1: fun with it. I mean, you're laughing about it. It's
Speaker 1: a it's a bad gambling moment, but of course you can.
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm saying. And that's something you've done
Speaker 1: so well. One thing you did and you asked right
Speaker 1: away about we're stories of young players that weren't going
Speaker 1: to be able to fulfill high school, college, whatever, and
Speaker 1: you wanted to highlight those players. How was that in
Speaker 1: terms of getting a chance to dive into stories that
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have followed otherwise. It's been amazing, man, it's
Speaker 1: been it's I've been really, really, really really lucky in
Speaker 1: my career. I think that's something I've shared with each
Speaker 1: in the years, just just being grateful for all of it,
Speaker 1: and UM, August just part of it. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of things are part of it, you know, as thing
Speaker 1: as I get to do, and I'm thankful for all
Speaker 1: of it. The the Senior Nights segments that we've done
Speaker 1: has been some I'll always remember as um the one
Speaker 1: positive out of this giant negative, because what it happened
Speaker 1: is we asked for people to share with us the
Speaker 1: stories of the high school kids and teams and college
Speaker 1: kids and and teams that had their seasons just abruptly end.
Speaker 1: And I've learned about these places and these teams in
Speaker 1: small towns and Wisconsin and Indiana and Arkansas. Just thinking
Speaker 1: out loud, there's a girl named McKenna and I can't
Speaker 1: think of her last name in Arkansas who was in
Speaker 1: the I See You as a sophomore, had this rare
Speaker 1: kidney issue and like she's touch and go, and then
Speaker 1: she got out of got out of the hospital, she
Speaker 1: got better, and by the time she's a senior, she's
Speaker 1: an All state player and they're going to play for
Speaker 1: state title. And it's like, well, all right, I never
Speaker 1: would have known that that this Gal McKenna out in
Speaker 1: Arkansas is this great player is getting ready to go
Speaker 1: to Central Missouri. I want to say it is on
Speaker 1: a basketball scholarship. Well why I found out about a
Speaker 1: story because I asked people share them with it. And
Speaker 1: so it's it's lacrosse players and soccer players and baseball
Speaker 1: players and swimmers and the equestrian team at tc U
Speaker 1: and all these different people I mean coast to coast
Speaker 1: man and and and I've we've tried our best to
Speaker 1: try to represent you know, men and women small and
Speaker 1: big like, just because the mosaic of their stories tells
Speaker 1: the story of our country and how much sports matter,
Speaker 1: and how proud people are of the teams in their communities.
Speaker 1: And I've been I've just been moved by it. And
Speaker 1: I've been moved by how much it meant to them.
Speaker 1: We've heard from so many of their coaches, uh and
Speaker 1: communities that they're appreciative that they just um like, somebody
Speaker 1: forward to me an article from the the Goshen something
Speaker 1: in Indian of the paper there and just the kids
Speaker 1: were saying like how cool it was to hear their
Speaker 1: names sent on sports and you're like, you mean, you
Speaker 1: know what the says that what we do. I mean,
Speaker 1: we don't take it particularly seriously, but like these mics
Speaker 1: are on and people listen and and and it matters
Speaker 1: in those communities to feel like they're getting they're getting
Speaker 1: some love and they're being seen, right, and so being
Speaker 1: able to be the guy sitting there saying, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I see you out there in Indiana doing your thing,
Speaker 1: and in Kentucky and Georgia and South Calina. I could
Speaker 1: just every state in the Union. We've done something from
Speaker 1: as many as we could. We're gonna do it this week.
Speaker 1: And then I think we're gonna stop because at some point,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not going to get to everybody. And
Speaker 1: then it becomes like when Phil stops and signs autographs
Speaker 1: and it's like, you signed for for as many as
Speaker 1: you can, and then the five people you don't sign
Speaker 1: for it think you suck because you didn't You didn't
Speaker 1: sign for it, right, right, Yeah, you're you're the bad
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, you're a bad guy. We can
Speaker 1: never get to all of them, and and I think
Speaker 1: that we will have done by that I don't even
Speaker 1: know how many. But my hope is that what we
Speaker 1: can do is when we're done, we can kind of
Speaker 1: almost put together a list of the teams and the
Speaker 1: schools that have been mentioned and and just I don't know,
Speaker 1: put it all in one place or or something. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I just uh, just to remember it by
Speaker 1: because when when the bigger schools start playing again and
Speaker 1: the pro start playing again, these stories that we that
Speaker 1: are so worthy, well will drift back to, you know,
Speaker 1: a place that I won't see. And um, I've just
Speaker 1: I've been I've been moved by the fact that that
Speaker 1: what we've done has mattered. And I've been I've been
Speaker 1: grateful to be the one who got to share the
Speaker 1: stories that people shared with us. I remember when I
Speaker 1: was in when I was younger in high school, you know,
Speaker 1: I got sports illustrated. I would read faces in the crowd.
Speaker 1: It's it's like you brawlways faces to TV, and I
Speaker 1: think that's been something cool. I gotta, I gotta, I've
Speaker 1: got a segment idea. I was gonna bring this up
Speaker 1: to you, not on the podcast, but I figure at
Speaker 1: least if I bring it up to you on the podcast,
Speaker 1: you have to like a somewhat interested you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, You've got at least not and acknowledge my
Speaker 1: I'll just blow it up, just just skip right past.
Speaker 1: So here's my idea, going back to what we were
Speaker 1: talking about. Being positive is something something loosely titled nice
Speaker 1: gestures in sports or we can be nice sometimes, And
Speaker 1: it's basically you every night dive in for three to
Speaker 1: five minutes on a story about an athlete doing something
Speaker 1: unbelievably nice within their sport. This isn't, you know, philanthropy.
Speaker 1: This isn't going out and starting the foundation. This is
Speaker 1: on the court. Let me give you an example, Scott.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you an example of what I'm thinking here. Okay,
Speaker 1: are you ready for this? Because I think you're gonna
Speaker 1: all right. Andy Roddick, remember Andy Roddick, he was great
Speaker 1: back at the two thousand five Rome Masters Round A sixteen.
Speaker 1: He was just taking it to Verdasco. He was just
Speaker 1: beating the swoosh is off the guy. He's up a set,
Speaker 1: he's up a break. Andy Roddick's gonna win. Linesman calls
Speaker 1: a serve and to win the match, and Roddick says, no,
Speaker 1: it was out. It was a rotic serve. He calls
Speaker 1: it out on himself, goes on to lose the match.
Speaker 1: He wouldn't go shake hands. He said, no, no, no, no no, no,
Speaker 1: that's not that was that was that was not good.
Speaker 1: It was out. I'm gonna be the good human being
Speaker 1: that I am. And he ends up losing that match,
Speaker 1: but that was him being a good a good fellow,
Speaker 1: a good person within his sport. In between the lines,
Speaker 1: I'll give you another one. I got one more. It's
Speaker 1: golf related. You ready for it? Alright? So you're so
Speaker 1: I can tell you're you're you're mildly interested. Mildly is
Speaker 1: you're you're probably what's the second Taco bell sauce? Is
Speaker 1: it mild? Is it medium? Mild or mild medium? Um?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I don't go sauce there. I didn't eat
Speaker 1: stuff row, I don't know. You don't get you don't
Speaker 1: go to Taco bell sauce. I don't goss the fire
Speaker 1: an odd eater man. This is this is gonna take
Speaker 1: us to a strange place here. I don't need a
Speaker 1: Chick fil A, No sauce for the nuggets? Just wow,
Speaker 1: what do you do with fries. I just actually I'll
Speaker 1: catch up, like, but I need like like if it's
Speaker 1: if it's like a drive through order, I don't catch up.
Speaker 1: What the hell do you put it? Well, the Chick
Speaker 1: fil A has those professional dipping catchup packets. Now that
Speaker 1: those things are the next level, but they do. But
Speaker 1: I just but Chick fil a nugget is a perfectly
Speaker 1: engineered food already. There needs to be nothing to put
Speaker 1: on it because all it does is interfere with the
Speaker 1: slaver of the Chick fil A nugget and anti condiments.
Speaker 1: I I didn't picture he was a guy no dipping
Speaker 1: at all. Get out of my face with that's probably
Speaker 1: actually probably a smart thing to do right now during
Speaker 1: our current state. Is not dipping sauces I got that
Speaker 1: is germ and Festt all right. The other this is
Speaker 1: a golf relater one cup of course craziness, you know,
Speaker 1: pan ammonium. On the seventeenth hole, people forget Payne Stewart
Speaker 1: was playing call in Montgomery. Last hole. Payin Stewart walks over,
Speaker 1: picks up Monty's mark, and pain actually lost that match
Speaker 1: one down. That was for the half basically, and he
Speaker 1: picked the mark up and said it was good and
Speaker 1: shook his hand and said Monty had been getting you know,
Speaker 1: crap all week long from the from the American fans,
Speaker 1: but that was again in between the ropes. Does something
Speaker 1: nice for somebody and it cost him, you know, a
Speaker 1: point for his Ryder Cup, a cost erotic a match.
Speaker 1: But that is my pitch to you. Nice gestures for
Speaker 1: athletes actually within their sport, not the stuff they do
Speaker 1: outside of it. It's like it's along the lines of
Speaker 1: that ad that sportsmanship bad where the kids says the
Speaker 1: ball went out of pounds off the other guy and
Speaker 1: he's a snow coach, he went off me, and then
Speaker 1: they get the ball to the other team. So it's
Speaker 1: like that, I get it. Listen, I'm all, I'm all
Speaker 1: anything that's positive. I definitely that. Like, here's my question,
Speaker 1: who is curating this? Who the who's who's helping me
Speaker 1: finding because going through this this text, the tweet chain
Speaker 1: of these people sending in the Senior United things has
Speaker 1: become like an all encompassing job. So I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: to go through the three of sports to find these molds.
Speaker 1: We'll take you that long. It's just a couple of dolls.
Speaker 1: You can just get like a twelve piece and you'll
Speaker 1: be good to go, just rammering through it and here
Speaker 1: you go, no sauces, not get not not to get
Speaker 1: your fingers sticky on the laptop. We move on from
Speaker 1: seeing your night. We'll move on to these duties. We
Speaker 1: can be nurised sometimes and then a Brent disease by
Speaker 1: Shane Bake. You can know, you can say, I have
Speaker 1: this idiot friend that I know, and he suggested this
Speaker 1: terrible idea, and now I've had to scour the world
Speaker 1: of all sport and the history of sports being around
Speaker 1: how often are you checking your phone a day still
Speaker 1: and then realize that there's no scores to look at. No,
Speaker 1: that that's that's for a while, it happened, but now
Speaker 1: you realize, you know, it's just every day is the same.
Speaker 1: Like somebody my boss just saying, hey, we're probably gonna
Speaker 1: do some Sundays now with this with this uh you know,
Speaker 1: bulls documentary of Coming Out the Last Dance, and like
Speaker 1: who cares? Like the weekends on weekends and no days,
Speaker 1: days don't matter. Every day is the same version that before.
Speaker 1: We're just trying to get from trying to get from
Speaker 1: lunch to nap, and nap to dinner, dinner to bath
Speaker 1: and bath to bed. Just repeat. That's it. It is.
Speaker 1: It is wild how so my my. I have one son.
Speaker 1: He's ten months old, and I just look at him
Speaker 1: at times and I think, God, he must think I
Speaker 1: am so boring because I don't do any of the
Speaker 1: stuff we used to do. You know, I don't take
Speaker 1: him out to the golf course. You know, we don't go.
Speaker 1: I I got this hiking backpack for him. We went
Speaker 1: hiking a couple of times. Didn't last very long. He
Speaker 1: lost his mind after a few hundred yards. But it
Speaker 1: was the thought that counts. Now, it's what times the
Speaker 1: first walk, What times a second walk? And maybe we'll
Speaker 1: be on a bike ride and there are moments where
Speaker 1: his beautiful baby eyes will look at me and I think, God,
Speaker 1: he must think that this is just that we are
Speaker 1: the lamest parents in the world. And I wish I
Speaker 1: could explain to him what's actually going on. It'll be
Speaker 1: a hell of a story to tell when he's older.
Speaker 1: And hopefully this is, you know, something that's in our
Speaker 1: rear view, although I really do wonder, you know what,
Speaker 1: what from our past is going to stay in our
Speaker 1: passed in terms of things that no longer happened, things
Speaker 1: we don't do anymore. I really it's din't it odd?
Speaker 1: Like if you see some game where there's just people
Speaker 1: packed inside by sidea like, what's that going to happen? Right?
Speaker 1: Where are people going like elbow to elbow and you
Speaker 1: know some back stadium Like, I don't know what that's happening?
Speaker 1: And when are you gonna feel I I keep saying,
Speaker 1: when are you gonna feel comfortable to be in that situation?
Speaker 1: That's the thing that I find, you know, as someone
Speaker 1: that now you know, your mindset, at least mine week
Speaker 1: to week is changing. So the stuff I did two
Speaker 1: weeks ago now I look back on and I go, well,
Speaker 1: that was stupid. I can't believe I did that. And
Speaker 1: of course at the time, that was protocol. That was
Speaker 1: what we were supposed to do, or that was what
Speaker 1: we were allowed to do. I will say about golf
Speaker 1: that you know, in Arizona you can still play golf
Speaker 1: and you social distance and you keep yourself away. And
Speaker 1: I'm not playing much, but I've played a couple of rounds.
Speaker 1: I like the leave the flag in and you don't
Speaker 1: have to help anyone else out because golf's pretty you know,
Speaker 1: you're pretty selfish when you play golf to begin with.
Speaker 1: And now it's when you put out you can go
Speaker 1: to your bag, to your push cart, to the cart
Speaker 1: that you're in alone and do your business, clean your club,
Speaker 1: do whatever you want. There's no being the nice guy
Speaker 1: on the on the putting green to help the guy
Speaker 1: out with his towel or to put the flag stick
Speaker 1: back in. It's it's it's a little bit more. I
Speaker 1: feel like, yeah, I mean, I I think, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I seriousness, like I think you as a woman,
Speaker 1: I feel comfortable. I'm gonna feel comfortable when I think
Speaker 1: our medical community, who's grinding their butts off and get
Speaker 1: it to them always, But ank were more acutely aware
Speaker 1: of it right now when when they are able to
Speaker 1: figure out whether it's through testing um or I mean
Speaker 1: a vaccine obviously is the end all wish, but I
Speaker 1: mean if if if they, if they are able to
Speaker 1: come up with some sort of a test where we
Speaker 1: everyone could get tested, and then we realize, actually there's
Speaker 1: a massive percentage of people that have had had it
Speaker 1: or do have it, And then we realize that the
Speaker 1: test is much much less than we we thought it was.
Speaker 1: While this is still this hideous, horrible thing, then maybe
Speaker 1: we then realize, Okay, it isn't. It isn't as as
Speaker 1: drastically impacting us as it seemed. And if that's the case,
Speaker 1: then people kind of shrug and go, Okay, well maybe
Speaker 1: there is sort of this herd immunity whatever. Art just
Speaker 1: looking out loud here, And I'm not saying that's the case.
Speaker 1: I'm saying when somebody is able to tell me that
Speaker 1: that is the case or isn't, and we have some
Speaker 1: vaccine or some medicine that's treating this, you know, then
Speaker 1: I think, ideally, hopefully we go back to something that
Speaker 1: that approximates what the world was in you know, whatever
Speaker 1: whatever month was when when things felt like they weren't this.
Speaker 1: But um, I don't know, man, if it feels a
Speaker 1: long way off, which is not uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: do look for the positive, It's just difficult to sell
Speaker 1: it at the moment. We're gonna take a quick break
Speaker 1: and be right back. Hyeah. All right. Last thing I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do with you I mentioned earlier. I'm gonna ask
Speaker 1: you for your five favorite masters ever. Do you want
Speaker 1: to do you want to go back and forth with
Speaker 1: this or do you want to just roll your five out? Well? Yeah,
Speaker 1: are we are? We ping ponging? A you're gonna give
Speaker 1: me yours? Yeah? I got my five written down? Okay,
Speaker 1: Um all right, well I'll start. I mean, how do
Speaker 1: we uh, it's you're the you're you're the show host.
Speaker 1: We want to do? We can ping par five and
Speaker 1: you ripped your let's let's ping pong. I'll let you start.
Speaker 1: I'll let you throw one out there if you have,
Speaker 1: If I have it on my list, I'll mention it
Speaker 1: as well. For me, is is my favorite because it's
Speaker 1: it's the first one and it and it changed the
Speaker 1: course of the golf and my life because I hitched
Speaker 1: my wagon and the guy so to speak. Um, so,
Speaker 1: I mean you know what it represented. It wasn't just golf.
Speaker 1: It was you know, societal, it was historical, it was
Speaker 1: the oldest thing. It was hugger your flood and you
Speaker 1: know that. To me, is, I can't top it. And
Speaker 1: I mean I could come up for reasons why there's others,
Speaker 1: but to me, there's no need to be cute is
Speaker 1: my favorite one and this is your this is your list.
Speaker 1: I feel like right now there's a lot of lists
Speaker 1: being made because there's nothing else to talk about, and
Speaker 1: people come at you. You know, Max Holm and I
Speaker 1: started a separate podcast in this one that we do
Speaker 1: once a week, and people are so mad at our
Speaker 1: lists and they always yell at us about how do
Speaker 1: you not have the thirty two n C Double A
Speaker 1: tournament in there, and like, well, I'm thirty six years old, man.
Speaker 1: I mean, unfortunately wasn't around watching those highlights. You know
Speaker 1: this is they didn't have one, which would have made
Speaker 1: it hard. It would have been it would have been
Speaker 1: even harder, that's right. So my my number, my number one.
Speaker 1: You know, we haven't said a six yet, and I'm
Speaker 1: not going to say it for my number one because
Speaker 1: I'm being truthful to the process. My favorite Masters ever
Speaker 1: was oh four. I was a left handed golfer for
Speaker 1: East Texas. Phil was my guy. I looked up to him.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be like Phil Nicholson. I even I
Speaker 1: even sent a resume to the a s U golf
Speaker 1: coach when I was a junior in high school. Phil
Speaker 1: was my dude. Oh four number one for me, Okay,
Speaker 1: well that's on my list. But it's lower on my list,
Speaker 1: and um up two for me, uh is nineteen and two.
Speaker 1: And the reason nineteen is two for me is because
Speaker 1: one for me ninety seven. And if you told me
Speaker 1: that the twenty one year old guy who laid waste
Speaker 1: to humanity would be at forty three with a bald
Speaker 1: spot refused back and on the other side of a
Speaker 1: scandal of his own creation, would have been this remarkable
Speaker 1: underdog story that would create the loudest cheers I've ever
Speaker 1: heard at a golf course. If you'd told me that
Speaker 1: that would have been possible, I would have told you
Speaker 1: you're out of your mind, and whatever it was that
Speaker 1: you were smoking, I would like a gross of it
Speaker 1: from my own personal recreation. So you know the sALS
Speaker 1: I heard that day, Shane, like tie your tiger, Tiger.
Speaker 1: I watched that Nance call, which, by the way, he
Speaker 1: didn't do anything other than stop talking. But he was
Speaker 1: smart enough because he's Jim Nance to not talk for
Speaker 1: like four minutes, like that's goosebumps, man, that's absolute goose bumps.
Speaker 1: And him and him with Sam and him with Charlie
Speaker 1: the best. That's why he did it. That's what he
Speaker 1: wanted to do. He wanted his kids to see him
Speaker 1: be the guy that they had heard about, and they
Speaker 1: got to And so nineteen and nineteen is very close
Speaker 1: to seven, but it's number two for me. So number
Speaker 1: two for me is eighty six. Now, I was three
Speaker 1: years old of the time, so obviously I wasn't watching
Speaker 1: it live. But I think it's probably the most rewatched
Speaker 1: old sporting event I've ever had in my life of
Speaker 1: any sport. I mean I've I've watched it on TV.
Speaker 1: I have a DVR at the bottom of my DVR.
Speaker 1: My wife always yells me to delete it. Now it's
Speaker 1: on YouTube, you guys. The final round it is eighty
Speaker 1: six Jack Wild. Every shot was awesome. It was yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, how do you how? How can how can
Speaker 1: he get better than that? Especially if you grew up
Speaker 1: a Jack person at all, I mean if you were
Speaker 1: a fan of of the Bear. I mean, that was
Speaker 1: as good as it can get. And I feel like
Speaker 1: the finish is as good as it can get in
Speaker 1: golf with the way he did it. This is a
Speaker 1: little sidebar. I watched the two thousand seventeen Open a
Speaker 1: couple of days ago. I feel like the Jordan's speed
Speaker 1: finish doesn't get enough credit. I don't think that people
Speaker 1: talk about the way he played after everything that happened
Speaker 1: on thirteen went Birdie Eagle, Birdie, Birdie part to finish
Speaker 1: and he was losing. He was he was sis right,
Speaker 1: it was I think he was. I think he was.
Speaker 1: Was he five? He was five or five or six,
Speaker 1: whatever the hell he was? He was a jew is
Speaker 1: a joke when he did and everybody gets mad about
Speaker 1: like how long it took to find the ball, blah
Speaker 1: blah blah, Like you like what he did. It was funny.
Speaker 1: We talked about that the other day at work because
Speaker 1: somebody mentioned speech and hid in the water on twelve,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, I get it. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, when people want to talk about like, oh,
Speaker 1: he won't be the same after that, I'm like, look
Speaker 1: what open was great? Couch didn't do Coucher didn't do
Speaker 1: one thing wrong, and he didn't win. Like it was
Speaker 1: nuts um. But all right, So eight six is two
Speaker 1: for you, eighty six is three for me for all
Speaker 1: the reasons you said. For me, it was watching all
Speaker 1: my pop. My dad was a jack guy. You know,
Speaker 1: back in the day, you were either a jack guy
Speaker 1: and ony guy. My dad was a Jack guy. Uh,
Speaker 1: and I watched the final round of the Masters my
Speaker 1: dad and uh, you know, I've talked a lot about
Speaker 1: my daddy. I hadn't been here in a long time,
Speaker 1: and he passed away when I was young. So, uh,
Speaker 1: I've gotten a chance through the years to to to
Speaker 1: know Jack a bit and talk to Jack and and
Speaker 1: explain to him what that meant. And that's an incredible thing.
Speaker 1: Very few people will get that that that gift that
Speaker 1: I got to tell them how cool that was. Um
Speaker 1: sidebar um. The day Nicholas made the hole in one
Speaker 1: of the Part three, he he came to interview Um
Speaker 1: on Sports Center with me and I joked with him
Speaker 1: on the way out. I'm like, hey, you got a
Speaker 1: magic left the bad old boy, And he's like, hey,
Speaker 1: how about a hole in one? And he went out
Speaker 1: and he did it. And then I found out after
Speaker 1: the fact he had never had a hole in order
Speaker 1: to gusta in anything, not in the competition on a
Speaker 1: practice round, not the Part three, but that day I'm
Speaker 1: kind of needling Jack about you anything left in the bag?
Speaker 1: Anyone out and made a hole and one in the
Speaker 1: Part three that day. Yeah, I I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: Tiger is I think you and I are both in
Speaker 1: the same camp. The Tiger is the greatest golf for ever.
Speaker 1: I just feel like what he did for the run
Speaker 1: he had will never be matched again. And this sport,
Speaker 1: it's just golf is not supposed to be dominated this way.
Speaker 1: It's too hard to be dominated this way, and everybody
Speaker 1: is too good to beat all the time. But Jack's
Speaker 1: ability to do things like that, you know, you forget about.
Speaker 1: He had a chance to win the Man Birdie. I
Speaker 1: had had a birdie put up sixteen to tie for
Speaker 1: the lead. He didn't make it, but he had to
Speaker 1: put put He was fifty eight or fifty nine years old,
Speaker 1: and he isn't the trivia that's Jack and Tiger finished
Speaker 1: in the top tenancy. It's in the same event. It's
Speaker 1: just it's wild. But I just feel like those things
Speaker 1: Jack saying, oh, why don't I go make a hole
Speaker 1: in water? Why don't not show you how to hit
Speaker 1: the pot? When he did that exhibition and he makes
Speaker 1: the eight foot or I feel like he's just always
Speaker 1: been able to do that. And I'm not sure I
Speaker 1: believe in magic, but when those things happen I'm more
Speaker 1: convinced that magic is a real thing, and there's just
Speaker 1: certain people that have that gift, you know, that that
Speaker 1: that that there's an ability that they know they possess.
Speaker 1: And I mean we none of us will tell what
Speaker 1: that feels like because we obviously don't, and that's what
Speaker 1: makes it, that's what makes it rare. So that's three
Speaker 1: from me, three for you. I'm gonna goleven. I just uh,
Speaker 1: I just remember it a lot. It's uh, it's you know,
Speaker 1: short so wins that Bertie's last four holes. Talk about
Speaker 1: a finish, but there was all these guys that had
Speaker 1: a chance to win. Jason Day was there, Adam Scott
Speaker 1: was there. Of course, Adam Scott gets his Masters a
Speaker 1: couple of years later, but I feel like in terms
Speaker 1: of excitement and nobody knowing what the hell was gonna
Speaker 1: happen or who the hell was gonna win it, that
Speaker 1: one was so much fun to watch from start finished.
Speaker 1: You know, every Master's when you rewatch it a couple
Speaker 1: of years later, five years later, ten years later, there
Speaker 1: are great moments that you forgot about it. Well. Adam
Speaker 1: Scott had to lead on the sixteenth pole. I want
Speaker 1: to say I believe he birdied the sixteen call and
Speaker 1: pardon did nothing wrong and still lost. That that's if
Speaker 1: you have to lead on sixteen and you Bertie, you're
Speaker 1: gonna win, and he didn't because of what Schwartzel did.
Speaker 1: So that's that's a great one. It didn't make my list,
Speaker 1: but that's a great great point of things you forget
Speaker 1: um for for me is already on your list, And
Speaker 1: that's still the great call from Jim nance is it
Speaker 1: his time? Yes, the moment with bones, the Patriots all
Speaker 1: fists in the air and people and speaking of what
Speaker 1: you forget like he hadn't want a major and you
Speaker 1: know certainly that that that had gotten plenty of play
Speaker 1: at that point, but there was like this suggestion he
Speaker 1: was incapable of it, which was ridiculous. And of course
Speaker 1: since then he's got a pla I love them, um,
Speaker 1: but you know that as a singular moment to to
Speaker 1: to grab it, that put for me that two thousand
Speaker 1: four is four on my list. That's a good one.
Speaker 1: I've got to I've got a just a hat hip
Speaker 1: to people that yell at us about stuff, just because
Speaker 1: it would have been a lot of fun to be there.
Speaker 1: Fifty four Hogan and Sneat in a playoff would have
Speaker 1: been pretty awesome. I would have been you know, when
Speaker 1: you're talking about history, that's uh, oh my god. I
Speaker 1: mean I would have I would have I would have
Speaker 1: parked my chair on sixteen early. I wouldn't have run.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have run, but I would have done something
Speaker 1: risk walking. Uh uh. It's like I always I always
Speaker 1: called the world's largest pool deck. There is no running,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna go. I'm just gonna go fifty four
Speaker 1: because again, when you look at the names, and I
Speaker 1: always say the names, you know they're all caps because
Speaker 1: there you know, everybody's legacy grows as they get older
Speaker 1: and and move on to another life. That is one
Speaker 1: that just in terms of entertainment and the top two
Speaker 1: guys and all that fifty four had been a lot.
Speaker 1: It would have been very, very cool to have been
Speaker 1: a part of that master's Well. I limited it to
Speaker 1: the ones that I had. I'm lucky. You have to
Speaker 1: have some kind of recollection of and I wanted to
Speaker 1: close with the one that I felt like probably wouldn't
Speaker 1: make a lot of people's lists, but it remains as
Speaker 1: good a finish as we have seen and that is
Speaker 1: you alluded to it earlier actually two thirteen. Go back
Speaker 1: and look at the people that were involved. Tiger finished
Speaker 1: top five. Jason Day was in the mix on how Cabrera.
Speaker 1: Uh well, first of all, Adam Scott Bertie's eighteen, come on,
Speaker 1: come on you Ausie looking for his first major he
Speaker 1: Bertie's eighteen. Cabrera just misses a birdie on seventeen. All right,
Speaker 1: I'm talking, just misses. Go back and look at the video.
Speaker 1: It goes over the lip. Now he needs Bertie on eighteen.
Speaker 1: It's raining. He pipes the drive and absolutely stops his approach.
Speaker 1: He starts walking after the second, after the ball leaves
Speaker 1: the club face. He's walking and talking the whole way.
Speaker 1: It's picked. It in so awesome. His son was on
Speaker 1: the back too, right, that's exactly right, exactly right, and
Speaker 1: and hey, and he's just like walking after it because
Speaker 1: he just stated that makes Bertie. We're running out of light.
Speaker 1: Doesn't matter because Adam Scott's getting ready to bust one
Speaker 1: down ten and he makes a gorgeous birdie on ten
Speaker 1: in the playoffs win and it's like that iconic shot
Speaker 1: in the darkness with the rain where he's kind of
Speaker 1: golf Jesus, and he's stay here, he's chopping. Uh. If
Speaker 1: you remember the shot from behind a good light. And
Speaker 1: here's the reason, here's the way you think about about
Speaker 1: all I help to prayer. He's a fascinating case study
Speaker 1: because he didn't play tons and tons of great golf, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean he's you know, he's a really
Speaker 1: good player, obviously, but he's got a combination. All right,
Speaker 1: you're gonna if you're gonna win two majors and you're
Speaker 1: gonna win the US Open, you're gonna win the Masters,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna win it at Oakmont, and you're gonna
Speaker 1: win Augusta obviously, then that means you are in the
Speaker 1: company of two men, Jack Nicholas and Dead Holding, who
Speaker 1: won the US Opens at Oakmon and the Masters. And
Speaker 1: he wanted he wanted at Oakmont. Go back and look
Speaker 1: what he did. Tiger is chasing him furik which chased him.
Speaker 1: He had to lead. On seventeen, he had a cigarette.
Speaker 1: He chucks it down on the ground old school style.
Speaker 1: It's an absolute palm off the tea, hits his approach
Speaker 1: on the green, makes his prot makes his par gets
Speaker 1: at a Dodge and like everybody was crumbling because Oakmont
Speaker 1: makes you crumble, and he didn't blink man, and that dude, like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm allowed to say that you
Speaker 1: can say. There's a line in the movie Snatch about
Speaker 1: there's two types of balls in this world, big brave balls. Okay,
Speaker 1: Cabrera's got big brave balls, and he showed him to
Speaker 1: you at Oakmont and the Masters. So he's on the
Speaker 1: list of Hogan, Hogan, Um, Nicholas and Cabrera. And that's
Speaker 1: who Scott beat that day with a putt on the
Speaker 1: a tent pole in a playoff. That's why two is
Speaker 1: my fifth on the list. And and it might be
Speaker 1: the most photogenic final hour ever. I mean you talked
Speaker 1: to out the picture with the green jacket and his
Speaker 1: arms are raised out. Well, we'll tweet that out when
Speaker 1: the podcast comes out for people to see if you
Speaker 1: you've forgot about it. But the fist pump Adam Scott's
Speaker 1: bicep looked like he just does curls like two and
Speaker 1: a half hours a day every day. Arms were huge.
Speaker 1: He's obviously this really strapping, good looking Australian And you
Speaker 1: said it a guy not a great putter over his career,
Speaker 1: made two unreal putts and the Cabrera iron in there
Speaker 1: that was like, I got it, No big deal, I'm fine.
Speaker 1: Cabrera Also on eighteen remember the one he one where
Speaker 1: he was a hundred and fifty yards in the trees
Speaker 1: and he punched out hit a tree, kicked in the fairway.
Speaker 1: That is one of the worst rewatchful Masters. If you
Speaker 1: have any fondness for Kenny Perry, because my goodness, that's
Speaker 1: pretty gross. Man, that's pretty gross. And that's that's you know,
Speaker 1: that's what his tree will forget. If you don't have
Speaker 1: the kind of his six Encyclopedia Greek call, you're like,
Speaker 1: you just remember Cabrera one, will you don't? Kenny Perry
Speaker 1: was supposed to win that and he didn't supposed to
Speaker 1: win in my last one cringe Shop second Masters wins
Speaker 1: it nnech the week after all that hadn't one in
Speaker 1: a year. The reaction on eighteen hands in his head.
Speaker 1: I I'm I'm a romantic at heart. It was one
Speaker 1: of those moments that aren't supposed to happen in sports.
Speaker 1: You're not supposed to have things written that way. And
Speaker 1: the fact that it was pinned for Ben Crenshaw and
Speaker 1: he wins the Masters, you know, after you know, one
Speaker 1: of his best friends passes away the week before. I
Speaker 1: just again, I I I was moved even though I
Speaker 1: was a young kid, and I love going back and
Speaker 1: kind of following that one again. Plus, anytime you get
Speaker 1: a chance to watch Ben Crenshaw putt for four and
Speaker 1: a half hours, you should probably do it because it's
Speaker 1: it's pretty silky. It is that and that's the great
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a great one. But the beauty, the
Speaker 1: beauty of any Master's list is that is that each
Speaker 1: each person's list would reflect his or her own, you know,
Speaker 1: personal recollections. So that's that's what makes you know, I
Speaker 1: think that's what makes remembering this event more than any
Speaker 1: other so uh so worthwhile because it's, you know, it's
Speaker 1: it takes you back to that place and and I
Speaker 1: think if you the game, if you love the game,
Speaker 1: and you know it's a place you love going back
Speaker 1: in your mind, that's for sure. Well I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: I held you a little longer, and I told you
Speaker 1: I would, So thanks for breaking all that down. The
Speaker 1: last thing I just wanted to ask, how long was
Speaker 1: the brainstorming session before you came up with s V
Speaker 1: pod as your new podcast name, like a lot of
Speaker 1: things with us, somebody said what should we call I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: my initials are s VP, right, Like, yeah, I might
Speaker 1: just put O D after that, Like, it can't be
Speaker 1: s V P O D. That doesn't have a very
Speaker 1: good connotation, so let me just call it sp pod.
Speaker 1: And then after the fact somebody suggested it should have
Speaker 1: been called s VP has a pod. Um whatever. I liked.
Speaker 1: I like the simplicity of the way you went with it. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean it's uh and it's as as we're you know,
Speaker 1: I hope illustrating here. It's it's a very it's a
Speaker 1: fun format for people that are you know, get on
Speaker 1: the like like we had justin Thomas last week, just
Speaker 1: get on the phone and chip or whatever and just
Speaker 1: catch up, you know, filling the blanks on things, particularly
Speaker 1: now because God knows where we're all in search of
Speaker 1: something to to fill the moments until we can get
Speaker 1: back to it. I'm just I'm bummed that I'll get
Speaker 1: to see in person. Um. I always enjoy pros and paths,
Speaker 1: and I'm hopeful that I get to see you guys
Speaker 1: do your thing. Um, I don't know if it's gonna
Speaker 1: be I don't think it's gonna be uh certainly June
Speaker 1: and Uh at wingfoot, I don't see it as possible.
Speaker 1: But I hope that they can sort it out somewhere.
Speaker 1: I've heard rumors of West Coast stuff that, I mean, whatever,
Speaker 1: everybody will figure it out. I hope. I just hope
Speaker 1: we get some some major championship off somewhere down the road. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sports or sports when they return. I feel like we're
Speaker 1: gonna be big fans of maybe even bigger than we
Speaker 1: were before. I get a sense that we're gonna be uh,
Speaker 1: We're gonna be pouncing. That is the thing I keep
Speaker 1: telling my buddies. I just miss knowing that at eight pm,
Speaker 1: when I'm on the couch, I can watch a rafts game,
Speaker 1: or I can watch, you know, a tennis match happening
Speaker 1: somewhere else in the world. Or I can wake up
Speaker 1: early on Friday and know the European Tour is going
Speaker 1: to be played for the for the forty five minutes
Speaker 1: that I'm up feeding my son. You know, those are
Speaker 1: the things, right, Give me some, Give me some smurfect
Speaker 1: European open man, give me anything. Right, they are they
Speaker 1: are the greatest connector. I mean, look, you're in it.
Speaker 1: I'm in it. So I mean we're support whatever I
Speaker 1: started to say, apologist, there's nothing to apologize, but but
Speaker 1: this is how we make our living. But I don't
Speaker 1: think there's any doubt and if there, if there had
Speaker 1: been any doubt, that this time is proving it that
Speaker 1: what people turn to when things are sideways, A sports
Speaker 1: always have They're the greatest unifier. We have an absent
Speaker 1: sports right now. I feel like that's what makes people
Speaker 1: so I feel so kind of lost, you know, like
Speaker 1: you're right, like at eight o'clock, there's not no, there's
Speaker 1: not a whatever a Knicks game, there's not a Lakers
Speaker 1: game late night or if you're out in the West
Speaker 1: Coast on your time, whatever prime time. I mean, everybody
Speaker 1: knows what I'm talking about here. Just absolute those things,
Speaker 1: those those those mile markers. Right, I'm supposed to be Augustus,
Speaker 1: so are you and we're not. Um. It just kind
Speaker 1: of leaves us all trying to figure it out. And
Speaker 1: I mean in the meantime, I guess we're just those
Speaker 1: we just all need to try to do do what
Speaker 1: we're supposed to do stay away from each other. It's
Speaker 1: try to, you know, try to knock this thing down
Speaker 1: so that we've got something. It feels like what we
Speaker 1: used to know on the other side of it, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I just that's what I keep
Speaker 1: coming back there. Yeah, I'm with you, and you know what,
Speaker 1: I haven't felt I haven't felt scared or nervous throughout
Speaker 1: this more than I did when you begged for a
Speaker 1: Knicks game. That's not when it's when we get to
Speaker 1: that point. You know, things are dire. Hey, I just
Speaker 1: want to watch the Knicks play basketball. You're like, man,
Speaker 1: things are this is not a good situation, Scott. I
Speaker 1: appreciate the time. Thanks as always. I know it's a
Speaker 1: bummer that we don't get match this week, but thanks
Speaker 1: for just chatting about it a little bit. I think
Speaker 1: people enjoy it. I look forward to these conversations with you,
Speaker 1: and uh, let's hope next time it's face to face
Speaker 1: somewhere somewhere on our or close to the grounds of
Speaker 1: August and National Stay well until we see each other.
Speaker 1: I thought we're gonna take a quick break and be
Speaker 1: right back. A big thanks to Scott Van Pell for joining.
Speaker 1: Big thanks to you for listening. Just a final reminder,
Speaker 1: wash your hands, stay safe, follow all of the rules
Speaker 1: that you're being told to follow. I know following rules
Speaker 1: isn't something we love to do as Americans, but just
Speaker 1: do it. Do it for somebody else. Do it for
Speaker 1: a parent or an uncle or an aunt, or yourself
Speaker 1: or your kids. Whatever. Just be smart, be selfless, and
Speaker 1: send a text to somebody you haven't talked to. And
Speaker 1: while well, that's my new thing. I've been doing that
Speaker 1: now is every day I'll text a friend of mine
Speaker 1: that I haven't talked to in a few months. Hey,
Speaker 1: how you doing? Thinking of you? How you guys holding up?
Speaker 1: What's new? And I'm just trying to reach out to
Speaker 1: people because I talked to the same people all the time.
Speaker 1: It's my wife and my kid and my dog. One
Speaker 1: of those isn't even a person, it's just a dog.
Speaker 1: But I will say, Harlow, great conversation. Was love chatting
Speaker 1: with Harlow about stuff. Send a text, call your parents,
Speaker 1: call your loved ones. Stay safe. We'll be back later
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