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Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but watching President Trump attend

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Speaker 2: or President elect, I know he's still my president attend

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Speaker 2: the reopening of Paris's Notre Dame Cathedral after the fire

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Speaker 2: that created a lot of damage five years ago, Well

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Speaker 2: what did we see? We saw him greeted with red carpet.

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Speaker 2: We saw world leaders standing up to shake his hand.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know about you, but I thought to myself,

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Speaker 2: you know, America is back. This is the respect that

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Speaker 2: America should demand, that an American president should demand. So

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Speaker 2: we know that we've seen an unraveling of that power

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Speaker 2: on the world stage under Joe Biden. Obviously, there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of chaos around the world, particularly in the Middle

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Speaker 2: East and Europe right now. So how difficult will it

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Speaker 2: be for President Trump to reassert America's authority in the world.

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Speaker 1: Who are our biggest threats?

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Speaker 2: What will be his biggest challenges from a foreign policy perspective.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk to someone who has been there with Donald Trump,

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Speaker 2: who worked for his first administration.

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Speaker 1: His name is Elbridge Colby.

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Speaker 2: He was the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Strategy

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Speaker 2: and Forced Development. He also played a key role in

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Speaker 2: the twenty eighteen National Defense Strategy. He's also the author

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Speaker 2: of Strategy of Denial, American Defense and an Age of

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Speaker 2: Great Power Conflict. So he is the perfect person to

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Speaker 2: have this conversation with. So we'll talk about what's happened

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Speaker 2: these next four Stay tuned for Bridge Colby. Well, Elberte Colby,

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Speaker 2: it's great to have you on the show the first time. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of foreign policy issues to dig into,

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Speaker 2: so I'm looking forward to having you on and hearing

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Speaker 3: Great too with you, Lisa, really a pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Sorr. I bet you're a happy man because you worked

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Speaker 2: as well. You worked for President Trump as a Deputy

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Speaker 2: imagine watching these past four years as someone who worked

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Speaker 2: imagine that this has been frustrating to witness it's been.

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Speaker 3: It's been I would say frustrating. Is it a minimum?

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Speaker 4: I mean, as just as an American I mean, I think

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Speaker 4: it's been honestly, just objectively, it's been disastrous. I mean

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Speaker 4: the way I think you put in, I think President

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Speaker 4: Trump rightly put it on the campaign trails. You know,

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Speaker 4: at the end of Biden's term, You're going to have

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Speaker 4: the largest war in Europe in seventy five years. That's

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Speaker 4: not going well. Where We're you know, supporting launching strikes

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Speaker 4: the Jewish people since the Holocaust. You know, the Houties

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Speaker 4: You would have said, that's ridiculous, like that you're being

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Speaker 3: Yep. Yeah, that's the world in which we find ourselves.

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Speaker 4: And I think, you know, we need President Trump's leadership

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Speaker 4: But also he ran on a specific set of ideas

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Speaker 4: The world is a tough place. It's an adaptive place.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's not a big undertaking for the incoming

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Speaker 4: We've used up a lot of munitions. The Defense Industrial base,

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Speaker 4: We need to bring back jobs and industrial capacity in

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Speaker 4: But even more, it's critical to our security because we

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Speaker 4: And then I think it's that rebuilding the strength, the

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Speaker 4: He's focused on readiness, on modernization, on restoring the lethality

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Speaker 4: But it's basically restoring the military to focus defending the homeland,

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Speaker 4: And this is where I think President Trump's taking a

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Speaker 4: had friends who died, et cetera. They're like, wait a minute,

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Speaker 4: this doesn't benefit us.

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Speaker 3: What's it? How does this make sense?

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Speaker 4: And that's who that is such an important and necessary

436
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Speaker 4: corrective to this, you know, this sort of oh, we're

437
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Speaker 4: going to end evil in the world, We're going to

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Speaker 4: solve all the world's problems. That's not in American's interest,

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Speaker 4: so we shouldn't do it.

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Speaker 2: I love Pete hag Seth. I've coosed with him many times,

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Speaker 2: and I remember one time I made a mistake and

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Speaker 2: I was like so embarrassed, and he could not have

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Speaker 2: been nicer about just kind of like getting my head

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Speaker 2: back in the game.

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Speaker 1: He's a very good leader. I agree that he made

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Speaker 1: to have Yeah, I.

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Speaker 4: Don't know him super well, but like one of the

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Speaker 4: things I've been really struck by, and it's interesting to

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Speaker 4: hear you say that as well. But I've seen like

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Speaker 4: Will Kine and Joey Jones and and uh.

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Speaker 3: I've been reading Okay, well I'll look forward.

452
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Speaker 4: But like they're all like coming coming coming behind him hard,

453
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Speaker 4: you know, not they know do this like and the

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Speaker 4: guys just serve with them in I Rock in Afghanistan.

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Speaker 4: It's like and you can see it on TV. But

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Speaker 4: that I think is it speaks a lot about him

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Speaker 4: as a colleague and a leader and stuff like that

458
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Speaker 4: he's you know people really that certainly made an impression

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Speaker 4: on me very favorable.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think with.

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Speaker 2: TV it's like one of those things that, especially when

462
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Speaker 2: you're on a panel, you're coasting with other people, he

463
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Speaker 2: wants the show to do well, and he wants everyone

464
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Speaker 2: to do well, and that doesn't always happen. And so

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Speaker 2: I think that takes like a level of humility and

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Speaker 2: where you know you're in it for something bigger than yourself.

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Speaker 2: And so that's something I've kind of always noticed about him.

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Speaker 2: You know, before you're kind of listening all the things.

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Speaker 1: That went wrong under the Bide administration, I was like, well.

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Speaker 3: When you put it that way, it.

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Speaker 4: Is really really bad.

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Speaker 3: But it's really bad.

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Speaker 2: I know, I'm like, oh God, alright, forgot about that,

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Speaker 2: I thought, yeah, we've.

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Speaker 1: Got more bridge. But first, the Christmas in Hanukah.

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Speaker 2: Season is a time of hope and peace for many

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Speaker 2: of us, but for those in Israel facing the ongoing war,

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Speaker 2: it is a time of fear and uncertainty. The hardships

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Speaker 2: are felt by everyone, with many people struggling to afford

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Speaker 2: food and basic necessities during this holiday season. Many living

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Speaker 2: through the war in the Holy Land are grieving the

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Speaker 2: loss of loved ones while also enduring isolation and hunger.

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Speaker 2: We must not let them feel forgotten by the rest

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Speaker 2: that's eight eight eight or eight eight or three two five.

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Speaker 2: Now We've got this shifting situation in Syria and Israel,

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Speaker 2: and response is carried out I think something like nearly

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Speaker 2: five hundred strikes and forty eight hours hitting Syrian military

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Speaker 2: targets to try to get ahead of things. You know,

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Speaker 2: Israel's preparing for chaos, you know, should we and what

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Speaker 2: will that chaos look like? And how does that sort

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Speaker 2: of impact the Middle East and the rest of the world.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, look, I mean, Siria is a really tough problem.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I very much agree with President Trump's position

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Speaker 4: on this, which is, look, it's just a lot going on.

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Speaker 4: It's a tragedy, but this is not fundamentally our problem

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Speaker 4: to solve. And we have to understand that there are

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Speaker 4: things that we just you know, we shouldn't get directly

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Speaker 4: involved in, and that doesn't mean doing nothing. I think

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Speaker 4: you mentioned Israel, and I think you know, Israel is

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Speaker 4: right there. It's got very deep interest in Syria, and

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Speaker 4: of course we have very deep interest in the security

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Speaker 4: of our great ally Israel. But the thing about Israel,

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Speaker 4: this is like a model. I mentioned India is another one.

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Speaker 4: I think Poland, South Korea or others. These are countries

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Speaker 4: that have serious militaries, are willing to do things on

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Speaker 4: their own, you know, maybe they get some help from

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Speaker 4: US intelligence. Maybe there's weapons capabilities that we can provide

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Speaker 4: in various instances, but they're kind of taking matters into

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Speaker 4: their own hands. And I think that what the Israelis

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Speaker 4: are doing makes a ton of sense because they don't know.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this HTS group, I mean, there's a debate.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's it's a terrorist group. It's a

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Speaker 4: designated US terrorist group that's taken over the country. Basically,

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Speaker 4: like maybe they've moderated, but you know, I wouldn't bet

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Speaker 4: the farm on it, so we better keep a clear eye.

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Speaker 4: But I think what we've hopefully learned from the last

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Speaker 4: twenty five years in the Middle East is this is

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Speaker 4: going to be a problem. This is going to be

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Speaker 4: a problem to be managed. And the one that we

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Speaker 4: have to think of in terms of like realistic goals

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Speaker 4: and more are our local allies taking taking the lead

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Speaker 4: as the Israelis do. But you know, there's also you know,

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Speaker 4: countries like Jordan, countries like the UAE, countries like.

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Speaker 3: Saudi you know, some amost that Egypt.

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Speaker 4: So I think that's the right that's the right model,

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Speaker 4: and I know that that's sort of you know, that's

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Speaker 4: one that's that's had a lot of uh, you know division.

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Speaker 4: President Trump tried to pull those troops out in his

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Speaker 4: in his first term, and I support that. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I don't I don't, you know, I mean, he has

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Speaker 4: to make a decision again based on the current circumstances.

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Speaker 3: So I don't want to get ahead of him on that.

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Speaker 3: You know, things have changed.

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Speaker 4: Over the last five years. But the overall approach that

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Speaker 4: not only I think is the right strategic approach, but

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Speaker 4: is the one that he and sender Vance ran on,

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Speaker 4: which is like, we're going to not get into dumb

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Speaker 4: wars now. That doesn't mean or wars as much as

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Speaker 4: we can avoid them. That doesn't mean doing nothing. What

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Speaker 4: I thought again to go back to that platform, the

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Speaker 4: language in the platform is very similar actually to the

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Speaker 4: Reagan administration's doctrine. People forget this, but what was called

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Speaker 4: the Weinberger doctrin or the Powell doctrine, which is, you know,

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Speaker 4: if we're going to go in, we're gonna have a

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Speaker 4: good reason, we're gonna have clear goals, we're gonna have

554
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Speaker 4: overwhelming force, We're gonna you know, et cetera, et cetera. Right,

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Speaker 4: you can't always meet all of those objectives, but that

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Speaker 4: mindset is I think the right one, especially after the

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Speaker 4: last twenty five years of pretty you know, unfortunately relatively

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Speaker 4: little to show.

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Speaker 3: For it and huge costs.

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Speaker 4: I mean obviously first and foremost human, but also financial

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Speaker 4: and in terms of the readiness of our military.

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Speaker 2: I guess, you know, how does it change the shifting

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Speaker 2: power dynamics if you're Iran or you're Russia or you know,

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Speaker 2: Turkey has been hitting military supplies that are under a

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Speaker 2: Kurdish country role in northern Syria. Like I guess sort

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Speaker 2: of it seems like everyone's sort of circling, but you know,

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Speaker 2: like it's like, how does that kind of reshape things?

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Speaker 4: Or you know, I think we'll see. I mean, I

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Speaker 4: think one of the biggest things. And this is where

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Speaker 4: again Israel deserves tremendous credit. I mean, the Biden administration's

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Speaker 4: been trying to take credit for it, which is kind

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Speaker 4: of surreal because they've been trying to hold the Israelis

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Speaker 4: back on this the whole time. But the Israelis have

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Speaker 4: done I mean, after the terrible uh attack on the

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Speaker 4: seventh of October and the very difficult situation in Gaza

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Speaker 4: which is still ongoing, but the Israelis have really done

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Speaker 4: a number. I mean they've run the tables against Lebanese

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Speaker 4: Hesbela and to a significant extent against Iran, and then

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Speaker 4: with Russia you know a bit more, you know, basically

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Speaker 4: focused on Ukraine. That really left uh, you know, the

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Speaker 4: Asad government in Syria kind of a bit on its own,

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Speaker 4: and so this is you know that that contributed the

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Speaker 4: fall of the Asad government. Lebanese Hesbela was not in

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Speaker 4: the position to do something about it. So I think

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Speaker 4: what Israel has been able to do really is knock

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Speaker 4: down what Iran calls the axis of resistance and put

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Speaker 4: them in a much weaker position. Does that mean the

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Speaker 4: Middle East is going to turn into Dubuque or you know,

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Speaker 4: Gary Indiana. No, but it means that, you know, Israel's

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Speaker 4: going to be in a much more secure situation.

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Speaker 3: Iran is weakened.

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Speaker 4: It's proxy groups while still present, especially in places like

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Speaker 4: Iraq and Yemen, like the UTI's, they're still present, but

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Speaker 4: they're weaker. And that's going to help and bring along,

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Speaker 4: hopefully the Arab countries that you know, building on the

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Speaker 4: Abraham as a coord model from the first Trump term,

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Speaker 4: you know, Saudi Emirates et cetera. To get some more momentum,

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Speaker 4: to basically be able to put put Iran in a box.

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Speaker 3: Who would you.

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Speaker 2: Say is our biggest threat, the biggest threat to the

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Speaker 2: United States.

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Speaker 4: I think China is absolutely the biggest external threat. I mean,

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Speaker 4: it's just it's so strong. I mean, it's just in

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Speaker 4: a totally different order of magnitude. Actually, the Israeli I

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Speaker 4: think it was the Israeli Defense minister, he said the

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Speaker 4: right thing he said October seventh, taught us that we've

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Speaker 4: got to look at capabilities, not intentions, because you don't

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Speaker 4: know about intentions and you don't know they can change.

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Speaker 4: And that doesn't mean I'm not saying that that war

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Speaker 4: with China is inevitable.

611
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Speaker 3: Far from it.

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Speaker 4: I believe it's avoidable if we do that combination of

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Speaker 4: peace through strength, flexibility with military power. But you know,

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Speaker 4: China's got like I mean, it's ten times the size

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Speaker 4: of Rush that it's probably thirty times the size economically

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Speaker 4: ever run. It's got over two hundred times the shipbuilding

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Speaker 4: capacity the United States. It's got a larger navy than

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Speaker 4: the United States, And you know that is a really

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Speaker 4: serious challenge.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 4: I think the Chinese government is ambitious, a bit paranoid,

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Speaker 4: very very dangerous. But they're not hitler, they're not looking,

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Speaker 4: they're not hell bent on a war, I hope. So

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Speaker 4: I think a policy along the lines of what President

625
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Speaker 4: Trump has been talking about, which is exactly as you

626
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Speaker 4: were saying, Lisa, don't mess with me.

627
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Speaker 3: I'm powerful. You don't know what I will do, but also.

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Speaker 4: Being willing to have a dialogue and engage in the

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Speaker 4: way that President Trump is said. In fact, I think

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Speaker 4: he said it the other day on NBC when he

631
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Speaker 4: was asked about Taiwan. I think he gave the right ana,

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Speaker 4: which is to say, you know, the traditional American position,

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Speaker 4: which Biden violated, was like, I don't want to say

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Speaker 4: exactly what I would do, but of course it's the

635
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Speaker 4: job of the National security and Defense establishment to give

636
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Speaker 4: a very strong shield to the president to act based upon.

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Speaker 4: But then he said, I'm open to talking. I understand

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Speaker 4: how important this is to Beijing. That's true, but also

639
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Speaker 4: so it leaves open a channel, and I think that's

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Speaker 4: the way, you know, if you want to talk about

641
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Speaker 4: what the true legacy of Ronald Reagan is. I think

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Speaker 4: that combination of strength and being willing to talk with

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Speaker 4: your adversary.

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Speaker 3: That's actually the right model. You know.

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Speaker 2: We're talking earlier about the way Israel has fought this

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Speaker 2: war against Iran and its proxies, and I mean, I

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Speaker 2: feel like it should be studied, right, Like it's like

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Speaker 2: that's how war should be fought. I mean, it's been

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Speaker 2: pretty the way they've executed it has been even just

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Speaker 2: look at the pagers and the Beebers.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty brilliant.

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Speaker 3: It's extraordinary.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I you know, I mean, they're going to

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Speaker 4: have they've definitely got some soul searching on the October

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Speaker 4: seventh thing. But to flip the part of the reason

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Speaker 4: for October seventh, it was because they were so focused

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Speaker 4: on Iran and Hesbel at least as I understand, and

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Speaker 4: they really showed mastery on that situation, which again and

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Speaker 4: not to minimize what happened on October seven, but the

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Speaker 4: threat from Iran and Lebanese Hesbel is significantly was significantly

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Speaker 4: greater and it remains than Hamas, So like it wasn't

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Speaker 4: it made sense that situation. They face some multi front problem.

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Speaker 4: But I think their intelligence penetration, the way they've been

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Speaker 4: able to really degrade in a quite you know, sort

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Speaker 4: of sophisticated way, for instance, some of their attacks on

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Speaker 4: the Irani and blistic missile production and air defense systems

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Speaker 4: that leaves Iran in a worse position and gives them

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Speaker 4: a real incentive not to continue going up the escalatory ladder.

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Speaker 4: I absolutely think it's a lot to a lot to

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Speaker 4: be studied. It's kind of one of the things. You know,

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Speaker 4: you get Lloyd Austin lecturing them all the time about

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Speaker 4: how to conduct sort of operations in the Middle East,

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Speaker 4: and one can't help but think that, like, why is

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Speaker 4: Lloyd Austin lecturing them at this point?

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Speaker 2: You know, yeah, you know, I had mentioned, you know,

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Speaker 2: who's your biggest threat, which you responded with China. Is

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Speaker 2: that also going to be Trump's biggest forign policy challenge

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Speaker 2: or what do you think the biggest foreign policy challenge

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Speaker 2: will be for this administration?

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Speaker 4: I mean that's a I mean, he said, I think

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Speaker 4: he's he said, and I agree with this that, like

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Speaker 4: first and foremost, trying to bring the war in Ukraine

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Speaker 4: to an end is clearly going to take up a

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Speaker 4: lot of focus. I think there's there's reason to think

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Speaker 4: that the the at least that kind of intense conflict

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Speaker 4: in the Middle East hopefully might come to an end,

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Speaker 4: you know, before or shortly after the inauguration, you know,

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Speaker 4: I think I think China is for sure the biggest

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Speaker 4: external challenge. I mean, the border and the precedent migration

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Speaker 4: is a huge issue. That's sort of a different category

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Speaker 4: of things obviously, but I don't want to minimize that

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Speaker 4: at all. But I think it's China plus this you

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Speaker 4: know group of you know, part of a coalition that's formed.

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Speaker 4: As I mentioned Medvedev's comment about how close Russia and China,

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Speaker 4: I think the worst danger that we could face going

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Speaker 4: forward is a multiple theater conflict, you know, with China

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Speaker 4: having such a dominant place, Russias dependent on China, Irans

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Speaker 4: depend on China, North Korea's dependent on China. That I think,

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Speaker 4: so it might not actually break out visa of each China,

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Speaker 4: but I think the core focus and the priority for

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Speaker 4: American defense and my view foreign policy has got to

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Speaker 4: be kind of dealing with China and making sure that

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Speaker 4: they understand that they don't have an incentive to use

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Speaker 4: military force against our interests in Asia.

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Speaker 2: And then you have like the Bricks Economic group as well,

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Speaker 2: which is you know, another you know, aspect of foreign

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Speaker 2: and economic problems that we're facing.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, although you know, I mean the bricks thing. I mean,

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Speaker 4: the Indians, for instance, are pretty closely aligned. I think

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Speaker 4: they would they would become even more aligned under Trump administration.

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Speaker 3: Obviously the Chinese and the.

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Speaker 4: Russians are more aligned. You know, Brazil and South Korea

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Speaker 4: are kind of in a different category, but I think

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Speaker 4: there's going to be. And that's another thing about President

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Speaker 4: Trump and the way that he talks. There's this idea

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Speaker 4: that Biden is much more popular all around the world.

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Speaker 4: I would basically say that Biden and his message are

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Speaker 4: very popular in Western and northern Europe and maybe in Japan.

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Speaker 4: But like President Trump's message, which is more honest, more

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Speaker 4: kind of like candidly self interested, in pragmatic, actually resonates

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Speaker 4: much better in a lot of places in the world.

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Speaker 3: I mentioned India, but.

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Speaker 4: Also other places in South and Southeast Asia, Africa, Latin America,

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Speaker 4: where people respect strength, they respect a leader who's you know,

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Speaker 4: willing to put his people's interests first and isn't isn't

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Speaker 4: constantly trotting out these tired and sort of i'd say,

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Speaker 4: hypocritical talking points about the rules based or national order.

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Speaker 4: It's not like Tony Blincoln is turning people's minds around.

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Speaker 4: In places like India or the Philippines or Vietnam or something,

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Speaker 4: I actually think they would welcome. And a lot of

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Speaker 4: those countries actually, again, you know, nationalism and putting your

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Speaker 4: people's interests first to kind of has a bad odor

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Speaker 4: in places like Germany maybe because their history, or Britain

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Speaker 4: and France their colonial history. But in places like you know,

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Speaker 4: Southeast Asia, these countries are proud to be nations.

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Speaker 3: They had to fight for it.

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Speaker 4: And so the kind of nationalism that President Trump talked about,

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Speaker 4: for instance, in his Warsaw speech in the first term,

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Speaker 4: that's like music to the ears of a lot of

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Speaker 4: people around the world. I'm not saying that they're going

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Speaker 4: to like do exactly what they want, but I think

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Speaker 4: there's actually a lot of opportunity where countries would be

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Speaker 4: like actually excited to work with a more pragmatic, common

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Speaker 4: sense kind of approach.

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Speaker 2: You know, and we'll probably see you know, obviously we're

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Speaker 2: already saying them sort of flex the muscle of tariffs

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Speaker 2: to get countries in line. To you, like he had

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Speaker 2: threatened like one hundred percent terror for the bricks nations

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Speaker 2: if they pursue their own currency. You know, you had

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Speaker 2: mentioned Ukraine, Yeah, exactly, you had mentioned h Ukraine. I

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Speaker 2: guess my concern with Ukraine is that like, after all

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Speaker 2: this loss of life, after all the money spent after us,

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Speaker 2: you know, depleting our own arsenal, that Ukraine will end

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Speaker 2: up in a worse position than if they had just

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Speaker 2: tried to reach some sort of deal at the beginning.

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Speaker 2: And right, it's because it doesn't seem like they're going

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Speaker 2: to be able to win.

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Speaker 4: I think that's right, and I think I think, I

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Speaker 4: think you're right, and I think President Trump is right

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Speaker 4: that it would have been better to have had a

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Speaker 4: more flexible approach at the beginning, for instance, like taking

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Speaker 4: NATO membership off the table. I mean, this is my view,

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Speaker 4: but I think it's pretty clear that that's going to be,

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Speaker 4: you know, it's going to be not going to be

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Speaker 4: part of any kind of settlement. Right, it's a clear

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Speaker 4: Russian equity. And like whether that's fair or not. Again,

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Speaker 4: looking at the world as if it's like you know,

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Speaker 4: a classroom and a matter of fairness is the wrong

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Speaker 4: way of looking at the world, because there's no there's

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Speaker 4: no single principle, right, there's no like court to adjudicate everything.

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Speaker 4: This is, you know, this is this is the world

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Speaker 4: in which we live. And I think, you know, if

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Speaker 4: the Ukrainians had made a kind of pragmatic arrangement, if

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Speaker 4: it had been available with the Russians, and I don't know,

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Speaker 4: but maybe I think with someone like President Trump definitely

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Speaker 4: very plausible, then the situation would be much better. Now

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Speaker 4: here we are I mean for all the I mean,

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Speaker 4: I actually find it galling that so many of these

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Speaker 4: people who have been these like you know, high and

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Speaker 4: mighty preachy types on Ukraine, I mean, their policy. They

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Speaker 4: have been in control of the policy for the last

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Speaker 4: three years. It has not been the Trump vance approach

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Speaker 4: to the contrary, like they that approach of being pragmatic

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Speaker 4: and realistic has been marginalized. And frankly I felt this personally,

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Speaker 4: like I know personally, this view has not had any

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Speaker 4: real influence on the official policy. And what are the

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Speaker 4: results of that official policy. The results are Ukraine unfortunately

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Speaker 4: is losing. The Russians are gaining and actually have gained

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Speaker 4: more and more territory. The Russian economy has become militarized.

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Speaker 4: They're very committed. They're evading sanctions, they have Chinese support.

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Speaker 4: We have emptied out significant portions of our stockpiles and

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Speaker 4: spent a ton of money. The Europeans have not really

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Speaker 4: stepped up in a meaningful way. A lot of it

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Speaker 4: is kind of accounting trickery, frankly, and it's it's, you know,

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Speaker 4: kind of more like symbol than substance. So I think

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Speaker 4: it's basic. I mean, I think it's objectively a disastrous outcome.

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Speaker 4: The good news, I think is, look, I think the Ukrainians,

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Speaker 4: and I think we talked about macroan Zelenski flew to

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Speaker 4: Paris and met with President Trump. The Ukrainians, that's been reported,

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Speaker 4: met with other senior members of President Trump's incoming team.

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Speaker 4: That's encouraging. I think they see, you know, sort of

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Speaker 4: the writing on the wall. Support in Ukraine for a

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Speaker 4: negotiated solution is rising. More importantly, I would say, the

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Speaker 4: Russians also, I mean Putin himself, but others like lov

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Speaker 4: Raw of the Foreign minister and Peskov, the spokesman, have

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Speaker 4: indicated that they are open to negotiation, which, you know,

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Speaker 4: the fear in some sense could be that the Russians

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Speaker 4: have gone to all this distance, and maybe they're just

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Speaker 4: going to keep going. But I think the reality is

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Speaker 4: that while they are making progress, unfortunately it's very costly

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Speaker 4: obviously in people's lives, in money, in international reputation, and

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Speaker 4: the amount of territory they're gaining in the grand scheme

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Speaker 4: of things is relatively modest compared to the Ukraine, which

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Speaker 4: there seems to be a kind of negotiating focal point

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Speaker 4: hopefully around you know, things like some kind of territorial settlement.

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Speaker 4: Exactly what that would be formally, who knows, you know,

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Speaker 4: NATO membership not sort of a near term thing at

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Speaker 4: a minimum. These are kind of the things that you

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Speaker 4: see in ether Again, I don't want to speak for

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Speaker 4: the Russians and the Ukrainians are moving And you've even

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Speaker 4: seen the Ukrainian Europeans, many of whom had been kind

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Speaker 2: his political opponent.

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Speaker 1: So I guess how much is that.

865
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Speaker 3: Important son preemptively right? You know?

866
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Speaker 4: Yeah?

867
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Speaker 2: So it's like, how much has all of that sort

868
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Speaker 2: of diminished our ability to you know, I don't know,

869
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 2: we we've kind of lost our ability to some degree

870
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Speaker 2: to sort of lecture putin or to lecture some of

871
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Speaker 2: these other you know, authoritarian nations.

872
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Speaker 4: I mean, maybe that's not a maybe that's like yeah,

873
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 4: in the sense that I don't think our foreign policy

874
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 4: should be about lecturing. I think it's I think this

875
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 4: is President Trump's Again I don't speak for him, but

876
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 4: his style is not a hectoring tone, not like if

877
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 4: you put the other extreme, it's like Tony blinkoln But

878
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 4: also you know Madeline Albright or some of the you know,

879
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 4: Condi Rice or George W.

880
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 3: Bush, Dick Cheney, a lot of these types.

881
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,720
Speaker 4: It's kind of this like, you know, we, as Madelin

882
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 4: Albert said, we stand taller, we see farther. We're kind

883
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 4: of this. Only we can do it, and only we

884
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 4: are wise enough, which I think is kind of honestly hubristic.

885
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 4: I think America is the greatest country in the world.

886
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 4: I think we're amazing. I love America. But the you know,

887
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 4: to America to me, is about delivering freedom.

888
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 3: Like you know, free speech and you know, all these

889
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 3: things right for Americans.

890
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 4: It's about security, and it's about prosperity for Americans and

891
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 4: a shared broad prosperity based on good jobs, you know,

892
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 4: and a secure border and these kinds of things.

893
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 3: And that's what.

894
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 4: America is about, and the best way that we will

895
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 4: be an example and have a basis for speaking to

896
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 4: other people in the world. Is if we succeed on that,

897
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 4: I think I think you have this kind of like

898
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 4: school marmish quality if you don't forgive the sort of

899
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 4: old fashioned phrase, but you kind of just biden this

900
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 4: sort of the vibe of like, you know, this sort

901
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 4: of you know, like prim you know, lecturer, you know,

902
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 4: and all the all the discussion of like norms and

903
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 4: da da da da da, like this like kind of

904
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 4: like knee stuff, you know. Whereas like to me, America,

905
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 4: I was on with CNN the other day with Christiana

906
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 4: importsch was talking about this good luck but because it's

907
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 4: like you know, it's going back and forward. But she was, oh,

908
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 4: why is America always you know, giving itself such a

909
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 4: hard time? And I said, well, look, America's like the

910
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 4: whole point is we say, hey, this is screwed up,

911
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 4: don't tread on me. We're going to fix this and

912
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,439
Speaker 4: we're going to be better afterwards, instead of always being

913
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 4: in this like you know, narrow row and we're exactly

914
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 4: the prim and proper.

915
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 3: That's not America, you know.

916
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 4: And so to me, our foreign policy should be about hey,

917
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 4: like yeah, we're looking about America first, but we're the

918
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 4: you know, the greatest country in the world. We want

919
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 4: to help others where we can, but first we got

920
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 4: to take care of ourselves. That kind of attitude, which

921
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 4: I think is the attitude that President Trump gives off,

922
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 4: is like it's actually I actually find it liberating right now.

923
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 4: Right Like, you know, I think we were talking before

924
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 4: we started about make America fun again. I feel like,

925
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 4: you know, with Biden every it was kind of like

926
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 4: constrained and it was sort of this like fake propriety.

927
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 4: That's like not actually really what is about Trump is

928
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 4: representing what America?

929
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,760
Speaker 3: Elon Musk, Tucker JD.

930
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 4: You know, all these tall cy Rfk Junior, that's like

931
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 4: a much you know, that energy is really what America

932
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 4: I think is much more about.

933
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:14,879
Speaker 3: And I think that'll be.

934
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 4: A much more catalyzing and compelling message that we don't

935
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 4: have to go around and wag our fingers at people

936
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 4: all the time.

937
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 3: It'll speak for itself.

938
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like smart, critical thinking and dependent problem solvers.

939
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, like don't treat on me right.

940
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,240
Speaker 2: What it's like, I feel like Democrat administrations are always

941
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 2: like thinking theories and like you know, and like Republican

942
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 2: administrations are particularly Trump like, they just do they problems,

943
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 2: all of it they do.

944
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: You know, It's like it's not all the extra bs.

945
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 2: It's just like, you know, it's like if you can't

946
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 2: tell your neighbor to, you know, mow their lawn, if

947
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 2: your lawn is your grass.

948
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: Is long, and your house is flying apart. You know,

949
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: it's like, right, common sense, right.

950
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 2: Before we go, what are you moth excited and hopeful

951
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 2: for from a foreign policy perspective for the next four

952
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 2: years hopefully longer, but we.

953
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 3: Know, right exactly, yeah, God willing, God willing.

954
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, it sounds kind of it sounds like

955
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 4: a bit over the top, but I actually I think

956
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 4: it's sincerely, Like, honestly, if we can stay out of

957
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 4: a big war in the coming years, I think President

958
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 4: Trump's absolutely right about being on the verge of World

959
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 4: War three, and I think if we can avoid that,

960
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,720
Speaker 4: the agenda that he ran on and that he's gonna

961
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 4: he's picking a team like Pete, you know, great people,

962
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 4: Scott Bissen, you know, et cetera, et cetera. They're they're

963
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 4: you know, I think the economy is already doing much

964
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 4: better the markets are super excited. Even the New York

965
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 4: Times was reporting that today. I think like we're in

966
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 4: great shape hopefully. You know, there's a lot of problems

967
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 4: in our country. We got to you know, stuff we

968
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 4: got to address, but like the momentum is good. I

969
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 4: think the popular vote victory was so huge just in

970
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 4: breaking this like mental hegemony of you, if you will,

971
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 4: of like this kind of old like left center left

972
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 4: kind of elite idea.

973
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 3: And I think it's really open.

974
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 4: So if we can not have a big war, really

975
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 4: think that's you know, the sky's the limit. And so

976
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 4: to me, whoever is in there pulling levers and people

977
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 4: like Pete working with Pete and Mike Waltz and Marco Rubio,

978
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 4: great team. That's like job one. Because we're you know,

979
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 4: we're such a strong country. You know, we can fix

980
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 4: the reindustrialization problem with things like tariffs and policies, et cetera.

981
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 3: You know, people Elon you.

982
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 4: Know, the amazing stuff with vag doing does stuff Like

983
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 4: there's so much possibility if we can, if we can

984
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 4: keep you know, ourselves off of the World War three tracks.

985
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 4: So that's honestly my my if we could do that,

986
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 4: I'll feel I'll feel great.

987
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 2: I think the popular vote was huge, and also just

988
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 2: giving people more confidence to like probably be like, you

989
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: know what, A voted for Trump, He's the right thing,

990
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 2: you know, just kind of giving that uh you know, reassuring.

991
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: The rest of the country.

992
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

993
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,919
Speaker 2: It's like I think Axio has had an article about

994
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 2: like how Trump supporters are like coming out of the shadows,

995
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 2: and I'm like, well, they shouldn't have ever been the

996
00:45:59,239 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 2: shadows and.

997
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 5: The yeah, I mean you and me, Like I was

998
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 5: all but people were like, ah, you know that. It's like,

999
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 5: oh well I was talking like friends and then they're like,

1000
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 5: oh yeah. It was like oh okay, well great, you know,

1001
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 5: like I mean that's great, but.

1002
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 3: You know, some of us have to be uh you know,

1003
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 3: the pathfinders.

1004
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 5: I guess Lisa, that's yeah.

1005
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 2: But it's like sad that people felt like they had

1006
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 2: to be and that, you know, like that's that's not

1007
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 2: how we're supposed to be as America.

1008
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 1: America, That's right.

1009
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, I got David Sachs, friend of mine.

1010
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 4: He's a great, great guy who's going to be the

1011
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 4: ais Are and he's great, and I said something when

1012
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 4: he was but just he's such a great.

1013
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:30,280
Speaker 3: Guy in free speech.

1014
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 4: It's just like, to me, the core of being an

1015
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 4: American is being able to say what you think and

1016
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 4: stand up and like don't tread on me. You know

1017
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 4: that that's what that's what makes our country in that

1018
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 4: kind of core kind of political cultural DNA. And and

1019
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 4: that was like COVID and Trump stuff, and like it

1020
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 4: was really being suppressed. And Mark Andresen had like some

1021
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 4: really pretty pretty frightening, you know, comments about the sort

1022
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 4: of dystopian future if things were going to keep going

1023
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,760
Speaker 4: like this disinformation board and like how they were working

1024
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 4: with the social media companies and the internet companies.

1025
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 3: And how that could keep going.

1026
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 4: And to have people like like Mark and Elon and

1027
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 4: David Sachs and you know, Sean McGuire and all these

1028
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 4: people like now working on making sure that you know, Viveig,

1029
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 4: that that doesn't happen.

1030
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 3: That's going to be really important.

1031
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 4: And that's you know, to me, that's like, Hey, that's

1032
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:21,879
Speaker 4: what America is about, is so we can make sure

1033
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 4: that we're we're free and we and we can confidently

1034
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:26,760
Speaker 4: express our views.

1035
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 3: You know.

1036
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I've been saying this is like get they

1037
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 2: get off my lawn election.

1038
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 3: That's yeah, exactly, I think you know what.

1039
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: Leave me alone exactly right. You spare me the lecture please,

1040
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: yeah exactly.

1041
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 2: Bridge Kolby, this was awesome learn so much from you.

1042
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Speaker 2: Really appreciate your time and just really smart information.

1043
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Speaker 1: So appreciate it so much.

1044
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Speaker 3: My pleasure. Release are really great.

1045
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Speaker 1: Talk to you those Elbridge Colby.

1046
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 2: Appreciate him for taking the time to join the show.

1047
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Speaker 2: I learned so much from him, so I hope you

1048
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Speaker 2: guys did too. That's what we always try to do

1049
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Speaker 2: on the show. Appreciate you guys at home for listening

1050
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Speaker 2: every Monday and Thursday, but you can listen throughout the week, odit.

1051
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Speaker 2: Think John Cassio and my producer for putting the show together.

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Speaker 1: Until next time.