1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Missed in History Class, A production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio Happy Friday. I'm Tracy V. Wilson and I'm 3 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: Holly Frye. This week we talked about Fumafujim and John E. 4 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: Blynn no fun Yeah. So the process was exactly what 5 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:26,799 Speaker 1: I said at the beginning of the episode, like I 6 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: was like, oh, John Evelyn did that, That's funny. Fuma 7 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 1: Fujim is a funny name. And then you know, five 8 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: hours later, Fury the latest of many things to be 9 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: furious about, the driver from the headlines, Yeah, and saying, Okay, 10 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about air pollution more. There were 11 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: a couple times last year when I had I wanted 12 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: to have some kind of story that was about like 13 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: conservation or the environment or whatever. But also I had 14 00:00:54,040 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: sort of internally committed myself to talking as much just 15 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: possible about things that the President would say was improper ideology. Yeah, 16 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: so heterosexual white man John Evelyn was not at the 17 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: top of my list, and he became at the top 18 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: of the list this time because from a Fujium was 19 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: there in front of me, and I was like, we're 20 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: gonna talk about this. This gives me thoughts because my 21 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: subversion I'm playing slightly more subtly, like I don't say 22 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: because the President said this, but because there is like 23 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: one of the reasons I picked George Stephenson is that 24 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 1: we are in this age where people are talking about 25 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: how higher education is Bolognian being educated, and I just 26 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: wanted to show somebody that was like, do you know 27 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: how much I missed out on because I didn't get educated, 28 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: not my kid, like I he's a person who is 29 00:01:55,920 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: the key like case study of like nope, yeah, yeah. Well, 30 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: the thing that I kept thinking about that I did 31 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: not say in the episode or the behind the scenes 32 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,519 Speaker 1: for that one was just about how hard and dangerous 33 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 1: working in coal mines is, and how many people who 34 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: worked in coal mines worked so hard so that their 35 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: kids wouldn't have to yep, and this incredibly bizarre focus 36 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: on like we need to bring back coal when coal 37 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: is an obsolete technology at this point, and I was like, 38 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: I don't need to say this is not actually relevant 39 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: to this guy who yeah, yeah, but it is. I mean, 40 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: it is. That's all part of like why I was like, 41 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: let's talk about George Davidson this week. Yeah, it all 42 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: feeds into it. But yeah, the air pollution is a problem. 43 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: I don't air Yeah, air quality is life quality. I 44 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,519 Speaker 1: mean I don't. There's no yeah, more direct way to 45 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: say it. Yeah, And there's so many layers of it 46 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: that are so for us to me because we talked about, 47 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: like I'm thinking about in our episode, about putting lead 48 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: in gasoline and how that had a trickle down effect 49 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: of the places that had the most vehicle traffic were 50 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: the poorest neighborhoods where the people who were already at 51 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: the most disadvantage were most likely to live. And then 52 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: we're being exposed to a lot more car exhaust with 53 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: a lot more lead in it. Yeah, just a compounding problem. 54 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: And this is why environmental justice is also racial justice, 55 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: and is also disability justice, and maybe all of that. Yeah, 56 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: all of that is related to why the federal government 57 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: is canceling green energy contracts left and right and not 58 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: putting a monetary estimate on the health impact impacts of 59 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: specific air pollution regulations. Yeah, I mean you see that 60 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: outside of regulation, You see this play out in a 61 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: very obvious way in terms of the adoption of evs, right. 62 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 2: Oh. 63 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you go to any major city and you 64 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: go to the wealthiest neighborhoods, you're gonna see a lot 65 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 1: more evs than you will ever see in the poorer neighborhoods. 66 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: One is because they are still much more expensive than 67 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: a gasoline powered you know, injection engine. But like that 68 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: is part of the problem that those people are now 69 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: getting better air quality just because they can afford it, Yeah, 70 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 1: which is leaving other people behind in terms of health 71 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: and quality of life. This feels like something we have 72 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: people smart enough to fix. Yeah, they got willing to 73 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: do it. I don't remember what it was that I 74 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: read recently where somebody was referencing being in a place 75 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: that now has like really high adoption overall of EV's 76 00:04:56,320 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: and realizing how different the air smelled without gas powered 77 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: car exhaust. Oh man in the Misochio last year. Yeah, 78 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: my mind. It made me think about growing up in 79 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: North Carolina in the seventies and eighties when everyone smoked inside. 80 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 1: Now everything smelled horrible all the time. Yeah, and you 81 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: could go to the mall, you could buy yourself a 82 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: brand new outfit. Get at home, it already smelled like 83 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: smoke because you could smoke inside in the mall. I mean, 84 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: I couldn't tell because my mom smoked four pecks a day, 85 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: so I had no discernment. So yeah, we just sort 86 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: of lived in that. Yeah. So anyway, I have thoughts 87 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: and feelings about a lot of things, a lot of frustrations, 88 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: And as I was wrapping this up, I was reminded 89 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 1: of basically this time last year, feeling like there were 90 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: multiple intersecting critical things at the same time that it 91 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,119 Speaker 1: would be nice to reference in some way on the show, 92 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: and just not having enough episodes physically to do it all. 93 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: So if you're listening to this and sat saying, why 94 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: haven't they said anything about X, just because we have 95 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: finite numbers of episodes and also need to do things 96 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: that keep our own minds sane at is a big 97 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: one for me lately, where I'm like, I can't tackle 98 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: that right now. My executive function will just collapse in 99 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: a pile of crunchy flames. In comedy though, Yeah, you 100 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: mentioned several times we call out the fact that Evelyn 101 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: was a royalist. Huh. I don't know that you needed to, 102 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: because once we got to excerpts of his writing, it's 103 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: really up. Oh yeah, Oh, the best one there's ever been. Oh, 104 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: we are going best of us, like our wonderful benefactor, 105 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: the King is going to do such great things. Yeah yeah, 106 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: oh my. 107 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 2: Goodness, just the most blow and sunshine up that that 108 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 2: Regents took us, man, Yeah yeah yeah, the best one. 109 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: Found it very funny the how much how many opportunities 110 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: he took to flatter the King, yes, and things that 111 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: were not necessarily about that. It's just in my head 112 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: the cartoon that plays is like the person receiving that 113 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: information and receiving that flattery right, Like, I don't like 114 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. It makes me want to crawl 115 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: into a tin can and roll away, But there are 116 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: people that love it right, right right, And just imagining 117 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: if there was ever a point where Charles the Second 118 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: is like, we'll thick Champ, We'll thick. Yeah, you don't 119 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: need to brown nose quite that much. Back of the Truck, John, 120 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: The only thing I actually noted at the end of 121 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: the outline to try to remember to say and the 122 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: behind the scenes is that I watched a video of 123 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: a lecture by Jillian Darley about this, and I don't 124 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: remember which of his works she was talking about, but 125 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: she described it as having drawings that he did that 126 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: were quote very valiant and not utterly successful. And I 127 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: had to pause it and laughed so hard at that characterization, 128 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: and I was like, I should go look up those 129 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: illustrations and see what they look like. And I forgot, Oh, well, 130 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,479 Speaker 1: there could be great delight awaiting you in the visuals 131 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: of John Evelynn. Maybe so great. Maybe Yeah, he's somebody 132 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: that for sure could have had a whole episode just 133 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: on his biography. But I wanted to spend more time 134 00:08:54,640 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: talking about this amusingly, in my opinion, named on air pollution. 135 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: It's pretty good. I feel like we should just put 136 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: that word on shirts, no explanation, no, or just have 137 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 1: a picture of like pretty garden flowers underneath. Not even 138 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, his whole plan of like ringing the 139 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: city of London with fields full of flowers and fragrant plants. 140 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, that sounds lovely. I mean, that does sound lovely. 141 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: One of my favorite things I know, I talk about 142 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: it ad nauseum, and I'm sorry for anybody who's like, 143 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: we know, one of my favorite things about having several 144 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:44,359 Speaker 1: hydroponic gardens in the house is how good things smell. Yeah, 145 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: Like when I walk into my cantina and the flowers 146 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: are blooming in there. It's like heaven. It's like heaven. Yeah. Yeah, 147 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 1: even on a really creuddy day or if I'm stressed, 148 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: I just walk in there and I'm like, oh ah. 149 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: One of the of places that we went to in Morocco, 150 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: that place where we had the meal outside with the winery. 151 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:14,719 Speaker 1: Oh you ate outside. They had some huge, if I'm 152 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: remembering correctly, jasmine plants. They had a lot of good 153 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: plants that made the whole area so fragrant. It was 154 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: almost overwhelming walking through them, but like once you were seated, 155 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: it was like a little whiff of lovely flower smell. Yeah. 156 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: I was kind of worried about Patrick because he is 157 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: allergic to some flowers. It was like, oh, we're gonna 158 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: have an issue, but he was fine a lot of flowers. 159 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: At one point I got up to go to the 160 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: ladies room, and I don't know, you probably didn't notice 161 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: because you were busy eating and talking. But I've madeished 162 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: for a while because I just went on like my 163 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: own little flower tour. I was taking pictures of flowers 164 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: so I can use them in fambric prints. They had 165 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: a rose there that smelled like cloves, which is something 166 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: that happens with some roses. I have some, but they 167 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 1: don't look nearly as they were, like a like a 168 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: what sometimes called like a ruffled rose where they have 169 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: like the double bloom. And it smelled just incredible and 170 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm intoxicated. I'm never leaving this plant. 171 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 1: I love it. Until Brian was like, hello, where are you. Yeah. 172 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: I am a big supporter in having accessible green space. 173 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: It really makes a difference. Yeah, I like housing, also 174 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 1: housing and green space. I didn't have both, hippie Yeah, 175 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: I know, weird, weird that way, I too like both 176 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: of these things. Yeah. I we got an amount of 177 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: snow over the weekend and I took a long, about 178 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: two and a half hours hike through the snow because 179 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: it was also the right temperature for me to do this. 180 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: It was just cold enough that the snow was not melting, 181 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: but warm enough that I did not feel like I 182 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: was miserable out hiking through the snow. Yeah, and it 183 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: was great, and I kept basically stopping to be like, 184 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: look at that look at that tree covered in snow. 185 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: It really restored some of my emotional bandwidth. I love it. 186 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: My stomping through the woods with my boots on in 187 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: the snow. We talked about ladies in the Olympics, or 188 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: almost in the Olympics. Sister got too, got too. I 189 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: have a handful of things, Okay. One is just silly, 190 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: which is that there was a rite up I read 191 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: about Helen de Bordelais, which was written by I believe 192 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: he is Swiss, a Swiss skull. But the only funny 193 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: part was that he called like her group of aristocratic 194 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: yachting friends yachties. I don't know if that's a real 195 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: term or not. Yeah, but it made me think of 196 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: Bob's Burgers, on which yachts come up a lot presently, 197 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: and I just could not. I only hear it in 198 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: voices from that show now, and I'm like, yachtees, it's 199 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: very funny, Helen pries. Yeah, I'm not. I'm like that person. 200 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: I did not ever go through a horse face as 201 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: a kid. I didn't have it like many kids do. Yeah. 202 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: So I know very little about horseback riding, right. I 203 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: didn't know about side saddle jumping, which people still do. Okay, 204 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:52,959 Speaker 1: holy smokes, that looks terrifying. I knew about side saddle jumping. Probably. 205 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 1: I think Gone with the Wind is Oh. It never 206 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: registered to me in that a movie that has a 207 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: formative and it is not the right word. A movie 208 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: that has a critical moment involving a child riding side 209 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: saddle and jumping. Not even a big jump, unless I'm 210 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: confusing it with some other movie. There is some listen. 211 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:14,599 Speaker 1: That's another thing. I live in Atlanta, and I'm not 212 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: a big on with the window. I feel it, I've 213 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: seen it. I'm clearly outside of all when I was 214 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: a child, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just I was never 215 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: a horse kid. Said like, even if it came up 216 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: in a movie, I would not have fixate Atlanta. Yeah, yeah, 217 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't know. Also, I think some of 218 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: our neighbors are snow blowing, so hopefully none of that 219 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: is being captured in our audio. If anyone is watching 220 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: this or listening and saying, what is that strange noise 221 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: that I can hear the love in the background, the 222 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: answer is we have almost twenty inches of snow on 223 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: the ground here. Yeah. Yeah. There is a great story 224 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: about Helen Priest that I found so charming, But it 225 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: didn't it was not dremane to her Olympic bid. Okay, 226 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: which is it? When she was in New York competing, 227 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: one day, she decided to take her horse for a 228 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: ride through Central Park and she was fast. She was 229 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: fast as lightning, like she was very comfortable riding at 230 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: very fast speeds. But the police of New York were 231 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: not accustomed to seeing anyone on a horse going that 232 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: fast through Central Park, and they thought like the horse 233 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: had gotten scared and she had lost control of it. Yeah, 234 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: And they literally were like, giving her chase, and instead 235 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: of stopping, she was like, let's lead him on a 236 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: little chase. Keep in mind, she was a teenage girl 237 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: at the sort. She's you know, I think sixteen. And 238 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: when she finally stopped and the police caught up to her, 239 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: she was like, Hey, I'm Helen Preece. I'm the person 240 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: that just won all those horse yeah here in New York, 241 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: and they were like, oh okay. It just made me 242 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: laugh so hard. The idea of her leading people in 243 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: a chase. Don't do that. It's not cool, but it 244 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: did make me chuckle. I also had to laugh at 245 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: Pierre de Kubepta calling her a neo Amazon, because you 246 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: picture someone who is like a very you know, tall, 247 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: super muscly, strong person. Helen Priest was like a petite thing. 248 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: She was very and again a girl at that point, 249 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: she was still a teenager, so it made me. I 250 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: was like, how are you trying to spin this, my dude, 251 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: Like that's the oh Pierre, that whole thing. Listen, he 252 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: still has one of history's best mustaches. But yeah he does. 253 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: And I do remember that. I blocked the sexism out 254 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: of my brain, but I do remember the mustache. Yeah. 255 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: I mean, it's interesting because there are people who defend 256 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: him as like, no, that's the product of his time, 257 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: and he was very chivalrous, but like chivalry at its 258 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: heart is demeaning to women in a lot of ways. 259 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: There's a difference between wanting to be polite and kind 260 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 1: and respectful like no, no, honey, like yeah, yeah, yeah. 261 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: And I will say it came up in some of 262 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: the things I read about, and I didn't really jump 263 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: into it in this outline, but that there were a 264 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: lot of men. It was not as though that was 265 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: the only prevailing opinion among men at the time. There 266 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: were men who were like, why not let these women compete, 267 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: like they're athletes, We're all athletes. Yeah, this is you know, 268 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: we have room, we can make this happen. And there 269 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: were a lot of men advocating. There were also some 270 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: men saying really stupid stuff, and alis Mila had this 271 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: great response to I think it was a runner who 272 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: just said some really, you know, unnecessarily stupid and gross 273 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: things about women. And she was referring to him and Kubeltana. 274 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 1: She said, quote, they could do themselves a favor by 275 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 1: showing some interest in women's sport, they shut themselves away 276 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: and everlasting male egoism, like fine, dudes, do you understand 277 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: you're gonna leave yourself behind because the rest of us 278 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: are trying to make things better and and like improve 279 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: the games. She had this reputation that even people that 280 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: were aligned with her, that were in her organization would 281 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: kind of be like, you know, we might do better 282 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: if Alice were not so assertive and abrasive. And she's 283 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:45,199 Speaker 1: too brusque, she's too blunt in everything that she says, 284 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 1: and like it was very much like the oh, we'll 285 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: catch more flies with honey than vinegar, which like, listen, 286 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 1: I very know your audience, figure out which tactic is 287 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: gonna work best. But this is also the same group 288 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: of women who were like, oh, yes, we'll take just 289 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: the five after you promised us ten s. It's fine, 290 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 1: it's fine. They were like, no, Helen, don't be so 291 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: means yeah, well, which she's like, you said ten yeah, yeah. 292 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: Also like, there are a lot of circumstances in which 293 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: women are framed as aggressive or shrill or whatever doing 294 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 1: something that would not raise any eyebrows whatsoever if a 295 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 1: man were doing it. And so when I kind of 296 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: scrolled to the end of the outline and I took 297 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: a peek at the things you had noted for yourself 298 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: to talk about and behind the scenes, and I was like, 299 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 1: I already have feelings about this one. I knew you would. 300 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: I know that's a very sticky point for you. I 301 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: find it very frustrating. There's a part of me I 302 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: don't want to say this in a way that sounds 303 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 1: like I'm discounting your thoughts on the matter or anyone's. 304 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: I don't find it as frustrating as you, because my 305 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: response is usually like, well, okay, and then I say 306 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,679 Speaker 1: exploit of you, and then I walk away from that 307 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: person forever and I never talked to them again. But 308 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 1: that's just me. Sure because I'm never going to convince 309 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: that person right that I'm something other than what they perceive. 310 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: So I don't care. I am more frustrated by the 311 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: role that plays in society than on like me as 312 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: an individual person. Oh yeah, but I think this is 313 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: why I'm drawn to Alise Milia, because she was like, cool, 314 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 1: we'll do our own thing. I'll make my own system. 315 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 1: I'll just do it. Like That's why I'm like, Yes, 316 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 1: this is exactly the route I would like to think 317 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 1: I would take. And I love that she wrote to 318 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: my letter that was like, great, why don't you specifically 319 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: say women are never allowed in any of the games, 320 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: because that's going to make my life easier. I can 321 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: move on without you, and I don't have to deal 322 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: with your garbage. I love her so much, Alise. She's 323 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: a good one. And now I have a checklist for 324 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: next time I'm in Paris to go see her statue. 325 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 1: Yeah sounds fun. I feel like lately my my list 326 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: of travel things is getting very long. Yeah, he's hoping 327 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: we get allowed. Americans are still allowed to travel in 328 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: the non dedicant future anyway. Those are those are my 329 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 1: thoughts forever. Yeah, before we sign off, for Today's Behind 330 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 1: the Scenes. Should we tell people that our podcast is 331 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: on Netflix? Now? Sure, I mean peep up personally. I mean, 332 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: if they're watching it, they figured it out right, But 333 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 1: maybe this is not news to someone who is watching 334 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: this right now. But yes, our podcast. Netflix has podcasts 335 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 1: now and our podcast is one of them. Yeah. Yeah, 336 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: you can go check it out at Netflix. 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