WEBVTT - S4 – 6: Laying On of Hands

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<v Speaker 1>Welcomed, unobscured a production of I Heart Radio and Aaron Minky.

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<v Speaker 1>The throne was in danger, the Church was in danger,

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<v Speaker 1>the very state of Russia itself. No revolutionary or foreign

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<v Speaker 1>missionary had done what rest Sputin had done. The imperial

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<v Speaker 1>family was stained. A vestige of the dark ages had

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<v Speaker 1>risen up and taken the Tsar of Russia into his hands.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the message that thundered out into the Russian parliament,

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<v Speaker 1>the Duma, on March eighth of nineteen twelve. The speaker,

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<v Speaker 1>Alexander Gukov, was a politician who had been working to

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<v Speaker 1>reform the Russian government since the Revolution of nineteen o five.

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<v Speaker 1>Now he was taking direct aim at the Tsar, and

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<v Speaker 1>Nicholas took it personally. After all, this speech was in

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<v Speaker 1>open defiance of his power, and in a time when

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<v Speaker 1>the press and the church and even the supporters of

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<v Speaker 1>the Empire had gone against the crown, this was a

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<v Speaker 1>new low. The government that Nicholas had tried to control

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<v Speaker 1>was now openly questioning his guy given authority. They were

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<v Speaker 1>undermining him in the very halls of government itself. It

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<v Speaker 1>stung all the more because it was the final exclamation

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<v Speaker 1>point on a process that Nicholas had begun himself when

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<v Speaker 1>he met with the President of the Duma, Mikhail Rosienko.

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<v Speaker 1>A few months before. Nicholas had met with Rosienko in

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<v Speaker 1>the wake of the secret police attacking the press. They

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<v Speaker 1>had discussed Resputant's place at court. They talked over the

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<v Speaker 1>deeply disturbing things that people had observed about Rasputant's behavior.

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<v Speaker 1>Rosienko had even read Nicholas letters from the mothers of

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<v Speaker 1>women who had fallen into Grigory's clutches. Rosienko told the

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<v Speaker 1>Czar that the attempts to shut down the press were backfiring.

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<v Speaker 1>The more Nicholas tried to silence the outrage, the more

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<v Speaker 1>Russian readers thought that Resputant's evil influence was controlling the throne.

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<v Speaker 1>While Rosienko talked, Nicolas smoked. He nervously lit one cigarette

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<v Speaker 1>after another, feverishly puffing and then throwing them on the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>When the President of the Duma was done, Nicholas think

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<v Speaker 1>the man. He was grateful for Rosienko's honesty, he said.

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<v Speaker 1>In the following days, Nicholas was quiet. People around him

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<v Speaker 1>saw that he was mulling something over. A few days later,

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<v Speaker 1>a sheaf of documents arrived on Rosienko's desk. Nicholas had

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<v Speaker 1>ordered that all the investigations on Rasputant be sent to him.

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<v Speaker 1>Nicholas wanted Rosienko to continue gathering evidence as long as

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<v Speaker 1>he did it quietly. But that's where the President of

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<v Speaker 1>the Duma violated the trust of the Czar, because he

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<v Speaker 1>brought in his political allies like Alexander Gukov. He showed

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<v Speaker 1>them the reports and told them that together they would

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<v Speaker 1>save the Emperor and Russia. They compiled a complete report,

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<v Speaker 1>a profile of Rasputin, more comprehensive than anything yet put

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<v Speaker 1>to the page, and then they sent it to Nicholas

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<v Speaker 1>and waited. They were greeted with only silence, a silence

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<v Speaker 1>that was broken by Gukhov's speech to the Duma. But

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<v Speaker 1>if Gukov and Rosienko thought that shouting against the Czar

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<v Speaker 1>in parliament would finally make Nicholas turned back, they were

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<v Speaker 1>badly mistaken, and fact Gukhov's speech was a turning point

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<v Speaker 1>in the relationship between the Duma and the Romanovs. To Nicholas,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a breach of trust. He had asked for

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<v Speaker 1>secrecy and instead was openly attacked Alexandra sent men to

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<v Speaker 1>seize back the documents that Nicholas had sent to Rosienko.

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<v Speaker 1>This wasn't just political now, it was personal, and from

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<v Speaker 1>that there was no going back. The delicate stitching that

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<v Speaker 1>held the young constitutional government together was beginning to unravel.

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<v Speaker 1>This is unobscured, I'm Aaron Manky. They retreated again, after all,

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<v Speaker 1>it was their habit to do so. Nicholas and Alexandra

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<v Speaker 1>didn't stay in the capital. Instead, they went looking for

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<v Speaker 1>places to rest their heads and to leave behind the

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<v Speaker 1>troubles of ruling Russia. In nineteen o nine, when they

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<v Speaker 1>were threatened all the way across the North Sea in England,

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't seem like things could get worse. But that

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<v Speaker 1>was before Prime Minister stoy Leapin was assassinated. Iliador battled

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<v Speaker 1>the Tzar and betrayed Rasputant. The press turned into high gear,

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<v Speaker 1>and members of the Douma threw it all in their face. So,

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<v Speaker 1>as always, it was time to get away. Following Rasputant's advice,

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<v Speaker 1>they went looking for places of natural beauty and peaceful wilderness.

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<v Speaker 1>They even found places where they wouldn't be recognized, places

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<v Speaker 1>where they could step in and out of local shops

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<v Speaker 1>without the owners falling to their knees. But as always,

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<v Speaker 1>it seemed that no matter where the Romanovs went, trouble

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<v Speaker 1>would follow. That shadow over the family only darkened on

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<v Speaker 1>their holiday in nine twelve and the trouble they ran

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<v Speaker 1>into that year. They would be a decisive moment for

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<v Speaker 1>one small struggle that had recently grown into a major headache,

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<v Speaker 1>their choy to befriend Grigory Rasputin. In fact, the trouble

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<v Speaker 1>and what followed came to be known as a miraculous event.

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<v Speaker 1>It became a story that has grown in its retelling

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<v Speaker 1>down the years. The thing is, there was something of

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<v Speaker 1>a miracle about it from the very beginning, at least

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<v Speaker 1>for Grigory's bond with Nicholas and Alexandra, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>crucial moments when the relationship between the Romanovs and Rasputin

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<v Speaker 1>was sealed and their path into the future was written.

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<v Speaker 1>It started ordinarily enough, but as we know, even ordinary

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<v Speaker 1>pastimes were riddled with danger for the Emperor's son, little

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<v Speaker 1>Alexei Romanov, and this jaunt through the Polish countryside was

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<v Speaker 1>no different. But he had let his guard down, because

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<v Speaker 1>since nineteen oh seven Alexei had been remarkably healthy. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>the family had stopped holding their breath. They still took precautions,

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<v Speaker 1>for sure, but it seemed like maybe they had learned

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<v Speaker 1>to manage their little boys chronic illness. Here's Helen Rappaport

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<v Speaker 1>to tell us what happened next. In the Ltum Romanovs

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<v Speaker 1>went off to one of on a trip to what

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<v Speaker 1>was Poland what is Poland now but was then part

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<v Speaker 1>of the Russian Empire, the big forest near Yellowish And

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<v Speaker 1>they went to one of their big imperial hunting lodges there.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was while they were staying there that alex

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<v Speaker 1>say Alexey was always very reluctant to do as he

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<v Speaker 1>was told, and he constantly be told by his minders,

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<v Speaker 1>and he had a couple of minders who were with

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<v Speaker 1>him all the time not to jump and leap around him.

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<v Speaker 1>He risked banging himself, which he did one day getting

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<v Speaker 1>into a boat. He jumped into a boat and bashed

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<v Speaker 1>his hip and it started bleeding in the joints and

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<v Speaker 1>at the top of his thigh. The family leapt into

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<v Speaker 1>emergency mode. It had been a few years since he

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<v Speaker 1>had been injured this badly, but no one had forgotten

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<v Speaker 1>what to do. Alexei rested and, to their relief, recovered.

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<v Speaker 1>The family moved on to a smaller hunting lodge in Poland,

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<v Speaker 1>more modest, more out of the way. But as he

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<v Speaker 1>got at her Alexei got more restless. He was really

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<v Speaker 1>getting very fed out with being told by his mother.

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<v Speaker 1>Daaned out, Now, you can't do this. You can't go

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<v Speaker 1>off in the bicycle. He can't ride a pony, you

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<v Speaker 1>can't go off with the other children. You just had

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<v Speaker 1>this terrible episode. You've got to get well. And he

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<v Speaker 1>was constantly complaining and fed up would not being able

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<v Speaker 1>to do anything. So in the end Alexandra took him

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<v Speaker 1>out for a coach ride. Maybe Alexandra thought this was

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<v Speaker 1>safe enough. She was with her son and he was

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<v Speaker 1>inside the coach, but the road was far from smooth,

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<v Speaker 1>and Alexei was not as recovered as they all thought,

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<v Speaker 1>which meant that every bump and the road could send

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<v Speaker 1>his healing crashing to a halt. And that's just what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's hear from Douglas Smith. He's jostled about and this

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<v Speaker 1>produces a bleeding episode in his leg and it becomes

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<v Speaker 1>quite critical. The doctors are fussing over him. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what to do. It's getting worse and worse. The

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<v Speaker 1>boy is in excruciating pain, which is driving his parents,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, utterly mad to see their their beloved son

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<v Speaker 1>hurting so terribly. Um it gets to the point where

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<v Speaker 1>they're about to, you know, have a priest brought in

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<v Speaker 1>for the last rites. They don't think that that alex

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<v Speaker 1>A is going to survive. So as sort of a

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<v Speaker 1>last ditch effort, Alexandra sends a cable telegram to Rasputin,

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<v Speaker 1>who's home in Siberia, for some sort of intercession. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is the moment when we need to step back

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<v Speaker 1>just a bit, because this story becomes a pillar in

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<v Speaker 1>the legend of Rasputin, as if the only thing keeping

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<v Speaker 1>Grigory together with the Romanovs was a mystical healing power.

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<v Speaker 1>If on the one side, his story is buried under

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<v Speaker 1>the rumors about Rasputin being the lover of the Russian queen,

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<v Speaker 1>on the other side, we can also allow stories of

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<v Speaker 1>his healing power to carry the burden of what we

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<v Speaker 1>now know. So this is a good point to remember

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<v Speaker 1>just how important Gregory had been to the royal family

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<v Speaker 1>down through the years, because the truth is that Gregory

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<v Speaker 1>Rasputin had been a close counselor spiritual adviser and a

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<v Speaker 1>comforting friend to Alexandra for years and to Nicholas too.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that much said. When Alexei was injured on the

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<v Speaker 1>carriage ride, there was so much rumor in the air

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<v Speaker 1>that we can only think the relationship between the Romanovs

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<v Speaker 1>and their Siberian friend was delicate and becoming more fragile.

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<v Speaker 1>After all, when Alexandra reached out to him by telegram, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a last resort. In fact, they were so

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<v Speaker 1>certain that their little boy would die that they drafted

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<v Speaker 1>the official notifications of Alexei's death, and Grigory was far

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<v Speaker 1>far away from Poland. But when they thought back to

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<v Speaker 1>that last time that Alexei had been at death store,

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<v Speaker 1>they must have remembered that it was under Resputant's hands

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<v Speaker 1>and his prayers that the boy had recovered. What else

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<v Speaker 1>could they credit with Alexei's five years of good health.

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<v Speaker 1>So if the Russian public thought that Resputant was out

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<v Speaker 1>of favor with Alexandra, it seems they got it wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>All the attacks on Gregory may have soured him in

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<v Speaker 1>the newspapers, but it never truly split Resputant and the

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<v Speaker 1>Romanovs apart. In fact, earlier in the year, at the

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<v Speaker 1>height of the press attacks, the Romanov family was traveling

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<v Speaker 1>in Crimea and Grigory had traveled with them. They had

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<v Speaker 1>been together through the winter and into the early spring.

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<v Speaker 1>No matter what the paper said, no matter what the

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<v Speaker 1>Duma said, Nicholas and Alexandra were adamant they would not

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<v Speaker 1>be told who they could let through their doors, and

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<v Speaker 1>any damage to their friendship would have been healed. When

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<v Speaker 1>Grigory answered their telegram from Poland that fall, he was

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<v Speaker 1>far away, but his words of comfort touched to Alexandra's heart.

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<v Speaker 1>Leaning over the mattress that might be her son's deathbed,

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<v Speaker 1>Alexandra was frantic with fear, that is until she read

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<v Speaker 1>Resputant's reply, sent a message but effectively saying, don't worry.

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<v Speaker 1>All will be well, the little one will not die.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't let the doctors fuss around him too much. And

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<v Speaker 1>when she got that message, of course, she calmed down

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<v Speaker 1>and became The stress sort of vanished from her face.

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<v Speaker 1>She came down to dinner first time in about two weeks,

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<v Speaker 1>and alex I recovered this point this pivotal moment is

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<v Speaker 1>easy to understand. Grigory wasn't there. All he did was

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<v Speaker 1>pray and send a telegram. Did he heal Alexei? Most

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<v Speaker 1>historians think that the boy was already on the men.

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<v Speaker 1>But the important thing is less Alexei's healing itself. It's

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<v Speaker 1>more about how all this seemed to Alexandra, because in

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<v Speaker 1>her eyes, when it came to the life of her

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<v Speaker 1>beloved son, this was a second miraculous healing. God had spoken,

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<v Speaker 1>Rasputant had shared the message. All was well. Alexander now

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<v Speaker 1>stood on a rock of confidence. As an ocean of

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<v Speaker 1>uncertainty washed around her. Terrible things might arise. Waves of anger, violence, death,

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<v Speaker 1>accusations and slander might crash against her place in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>But the Empress of Russia could now stand unafraid. The

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<v Speaker 1>man of God would guide her. Rasputin was a household name,

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<v Speaker 1>not just in Russia either. By the spring of nineteen twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>the scandal caused by the Duma taking up the issue

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<v Speaker 1>of Rasputant nesting in the palace had made him the

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<v Speaker 1>subject of even more rumors and wild stories than the

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<v Speaker 1>papers could print. The ambassadors of several countries wrote back

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<v Speaker 1>to their home offices about the mysterious Siberian peasant. Word

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<v Speaker 1>of the religious fanatic with mysterious hypnotic powers was being

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<v Speaker 1>inflated and floated into government offices all across Europe. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>like most of the trial balloons going up about Grigory,

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<v Speaker 1>most of these reports were collections of the rumors popular

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<v Speaker 1>among the Russian aristocracy. But when the Romanovs had gone

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<v Speaker 1>to Crimea that spring to celebrate Easter, Rasputin also disappeared

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<v Speaker 1>from St. Petersburg society. But his absence didn't silence the conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, the furious speculation about him only got hotter,

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<v Speaker 1>so much so that the newspapers started commenting on the

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<v Speaker 1>newspaper coverage as its own story. That March, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>one article titled Rasputini Anna complained that there was no

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<v Speaker 1>getting rid of the story. It was like Eczema, it said.

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<v Speaker 1>Once a paper caught the bug for publishing about Resputin,

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<v Speaker 1>there was no going back. It became an endless flow

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<v Speaker 1>of Grigory's comings and goings, unless there was no news,

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<v Speaker 1>in which case it became a perpetual series of guesses

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<v Speaker 1>about where he might be. After all, resputants sold papers,

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<v Speaker 1>and speculation was a lucrative business. It was like a disease,

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<v Speaker 1>they wrote, even though the pages were only paper. It

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<v Speaker 1>seemed that Resputant had gone viral, and not everyone was

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<v Speaker 1>happy about that, especially because it all seemed to backfire.

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<v Speaker 1>If the original idea had been to shock the conscience

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<v Speaker 1>of the nation and of the Romanas, the opposite had happened.

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<v Speaker 1>All these headlines about the wandering holy Man only seemed

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<v Speaker 1>to desensitize everyone to the whole affair. The newfound freedom

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<v Speaker 1>of the press was teaching the newspapers a hard new lesson.

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<v Speaker 1>If you yell loud and long enough, you get tuned

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<v Speaker 1>out to be a spectacle. The news has to stay new.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, there was a grain of truth to all

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<v Speaker 1>the reporting. Grigory was going here and there. He traveled

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<v Speaker 1>constantly from Siberia to St. Petersburg, to Crimea, where he

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<v Speaker 1>spent time with Nicholas and Alexandra, back to his home

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<v Speaker 1>then in Siberia. But if the papers were chasing rumors,

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<v Speaker 1>the secret police were tracking the man himself. Police surveillance

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<v Speaker 1>reports included Resputant spottings whenever he would arrive in the capital.

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<v Speaker 1>After all, he wasn't just newsworthy. Over the past few

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<v Speaker 1>years he had become the most infamous man in all

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<v Speaker 1>of Russia, and as a close confident of the Tsar,

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<v Speaker 1>that made him a target. If you were against his

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<v Speaker 1>friendship with the Czar, well, it also made him a threat,

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<v Speaker 1>and it probably didn't help. The resputants seemed less and

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<v Speaker 1>less like the simple, wide eyed pilgrim who had first

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<v Speaker 1>shown up in the capital almost a decade earlier. For

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<v Speaker 1>years now he had been living the high life. It

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<v Speaker 1>left Grigory looking different to the papers started to comment

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<v Speaker 1>on his appearance. By August, one paper was calling his

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<v Speaker 1>face tormented. The skin was clinging to his owns, and

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<v Speaker 1>the bones were poking through the skin. Dark circles never

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<v Speaker 1>faded from around his eyes. Resputant, it seems, was getting tired.

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<v Speaker 1>Even his daughter Maria noticed the changes when he would

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<v Speaker 1>come home to Siberia. She remembered how much he started

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<v Speaker 1>to resent the visitors in those years. After so much traveling,

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<v Speaker 1>he just wanted some peace and quiet, but he had

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<v Speaker 1>raised his profile too high for that. If it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>reporters and investigators coming by to get a read on

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<v Speaker 1>his most recent events, it was religious seekers. Maria would

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<v Speaker 1>later say her father got annoyed with them, but it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't stop a parade of women marching up to their

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<v Speaker 1>front door looking for the little Father and throwing themselves

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<v Speaker 1>on him, grabbing his hands and kissing the hem of

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<v Speaker 1>his clothes. She remembers at one point he ripped his

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<v Speaker 1>hands away from a woman and shouted, I am not

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<v Speaker 1>your father, I'm not even a monk. But nothing stopped

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<v Speaker 1>the downright worship. If he wasn't the devil to the

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<v Speaker 1>people who came prowling at the door, he was a saint,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's not something you can just shake off. If

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<v Speaker 1>the newspapers hadn't changed their mind, what could so. When

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<v Speaker 1>he was home in Siberia, Grigory trying to duck out

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<v Speaker 1>of sight. He avoided the restaurants and ate at home.

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<v Speaker 1>He kept to his devotional rituals, which was no meat

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<v Speaker 1>and no liquor. At least that's how Maria remembers it.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing is, that's about as far as you can

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<v Speaker 1>get from the life he lived. When he traveled to St. Petersburg.

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<v Speaker 1>If his daughters saw one face at home, the Okrana

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<v Speaker 1>in the capital observed something completely opposite. There he spent

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<v Speaker 1>his days and nights out on the town in company too.

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<v Speaker 1>He went out with friends, or he made his way

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<v Speaker 1>to the streets and neighborhoods notorious for prostitution. They followed

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<v Speaker 1>him as he picked up women and took them down

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<v Speaker 1>his old paths to a nearby hotel or to a bathhouse.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes they trailed him as he went from bath house

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<v Speaker 1>to brothel to bathhouse, and he had a new woman

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<v Speaker 1>on his arm each time. It didn't look at all

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<v Speaker 1>like the kind of life he tried to live in

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<v Speaker 1>front of his followers. So if he was starting to

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<v Speaker 1>look haggard and worn out, well, it wasn't just the

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<v Speaker 1>scandal and screw rutiny that was doing it. Gregory may

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<v Speaker 1>have been trying to keep the two sides of his

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<v Speaker 1>life separate, but it's not like he was discreet about it.

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<v Speaker 1>For whatever reason, he seemed to throw caution to the

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<v Speaker 1>wind when he was in St. Petersburg and when the

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<v Speaker 1>Czar was out of town. In later years, even Maria

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<v Speaker 1>would admit who her father became in those years, though,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, whether the drunken stumble between brothels was something

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<v Speaker 1>new for him is hard to pin down. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>that he was finally being watched so much that his

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<v Speaker 1>habits were no longer hidden. His supporters like to say

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<v Speaker 1>that it was the city that had corrupted the Siberian peasant.

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<v Speaker 1>Over time, they called his new lifestyle a spiritual catastrophe.

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<v Speaker 1>Churchmen like Theo Fan, who had started by embracing Rasputin,

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<v Speaker 1>told the story this way. Try as they might to

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<v Speaker 1>displace some kind of blame from Grigory for his choices,

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<v Speaker 1>or to say he didn't used to be so constantly

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<v Speaker 1>on the prowl, it all seemed a bit too convenient.

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<v Speaker 1>There may be some truth to it, no doubt, Grigory

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<v Speaker 1>did adapt a bit to his new surroundings. But we

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<v Speaker 1>can't forget just how much Fan looked past in those

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<v Speaker 1>early years when he thought Grigory could be useful to him.

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<v Speaker 1>Whispers had followed him from Pokrosco to Kazan and onward.

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<v Speaker 1>And in the end, there's no debate about at least

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<v Speaker 1>one thing. If there were neighborhoods in any city where

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<v Speaker 1>the virtues of the Orthodox Church were left outside, it

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<v Speaker 1>was Grigory himself who willingly opened that door and crept inside.

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<v Speaker 1>The crisis was real. The spiritual crisis. That is, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>Grigory may have decided about the way he would live

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<v Speaker 1>his life, he never stopped tormenting himself about the unraveling.

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<v Speaker 1>The sex and the drunken knights in St. Petersburg were

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<v Speaker 1>less the cause of a collapse and more the result

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<v Speaker 1>of one. The real crisis had been working inside him

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<v Speaker 1>all along, no matter how he was living respute and

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<v Speaker 1>held on to his own claim to faith. To himself,

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<v Speaker 1>at least, he was not a fraud or a heretic.

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<v Speaker 1>He was simply a man of God who sometimes, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>often made miss achs. At least that's what he told himself.

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<v Speaker 1>But if the Romanov's dismissed concerns about Gregory as malicious rumors,

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<v Speaker 1>others did not, not the members of the Duma, not

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<v Speaker 1>the public, and not the Russian Church. In fact, there

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<v Speaker 1>were some who began to suspect that their earlier investigations

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<v Speaker 1>into his teachings were flawed. In past years, church officials

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<v Speaker 1>had decided that Resputant was no heretic, but after all

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<v Speaker 1>the accusations against him, they decided to look again. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>one bishop in the city of Tubulsk, near Resputant's hometown,

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<v Speaker 1>took up the subject with some genuine energy. He ordered

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<v Speaker 1>church investigators to send him monthly reports on Gregory, where

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<v Speaker 1>he went, what he taught, who he met with. Despite

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<v Speaker 1>Rasputin being earlier cleared of connections to secret groups of heretics,

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<v Speaker 1>it was exactly the same question they were trying to answer. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems obvious that any church leaders would want to

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<v Speaker 1>separate themselves from Rasputin as much as possible. But there's

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<v Speaker 1>a more clear and more personal link to these investigations too,

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<v Speaker 1>because the Bishop of Tobolsk was personal friends with someone

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<v Speaker 1>who had become an enemy of Rasputin, the mad monk Iliador.

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<v Speaker 1>Not that the investigations immediately produced damning evidence, though. In

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<v Speaker 1>the spring of nineteen twelve, while Gregory was home in

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<v Speaker 1>Pokrosco with his family, the priest there followed orders. He

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<v Speaker 1>sent reports to the nearby bishop, but there wasn't much

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<v Speaker 1>to say. Gregory went to church, he seemed to be

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<v Speaker 1>working and supporting his family. All the whispers the priest

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<v Speaker 1>could gather only said that Gregory was keeping to his prayers.

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<v Speaker 1>He made short pilgrimages here and there. At home, it

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<v Speaker 1>seemed like he was the devouts and pious peasant his

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<v Speaker 1>daughter thought he might be. But there was one thing

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<v Speaker 1>that raised concerns his followers. In fact, it was one

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<v Speaker 1>of the women who had been devoted to him the longest.

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<v Speaker 1>Olga look Tina Gears had passed since she had hosted

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<v Speaker 1>him in the St. Petersburg salons, and in those years

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<v Speaker 1>she had taken to living with the religious teachers she

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<v Speaker 1>liked the best. Sometimes she was living in the band

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<v Speaker 1>of followers at Risputant's house. Sometimes she had been living

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<v Speaker 1>with another fiery preacher, Eliador. And after the split between

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<v Speaker 1>Gregory and Eliador, it seems Olga knew where she wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to be, and so she settled down to live with

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<v Speaker 1>resputants family. But she ran into some conflict with his wife.

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<v Speaker 1>Now let's remember that for all these years, when Resputant

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<v Speaker 1>was wandering and climbing the ladder of the Russian courts,

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<v Speaker 1>he had a family at home in Siberia. His wife,

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<v Speaker 1>Prascovia was often left affair without her husband, and their

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<v Speaker 1>children were often without their father. But they may do.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course, when Gregory bought the new house, brought

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<v Speaker 1>home the new clothes and rode in with new patrons

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<v Speaker 1>and new money. That wasn't nothing, But Prascovia and the

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<v Speaker 1>Resputant family knew better than most that his ambitions and

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<v Speaker 1>visions came with a cost. In some ways. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a burden that they all had to carry. So when

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<v Speaker 1>their guest, Olga started loudly proclaiming that Resputent ought to

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<v Speaker 1>be treated as God himself, well that didn't sit well

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<v Speaker 1>with his wife. She was the wife of Gregory's younger years.

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<v Speaker 1>She knew that he was all too human, but Olga

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<v Speaker 1>didn't appreciate that perspective, and when she didn't let the

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<v Speaker 1>issue drop, the two women got into a ferocious argument.

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<v Speaker 1>I can only imagine the resigned strength of Prascovia as

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<v Speaker 1>she had to repeat that no, her wandering husband was

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<v Speaker 1>a charismatic man, but certainly not the God of the universe. Eventually,

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<v Speaker 1>Prascovia put her foot down. The fight sent Olga running

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<v Speaker 1>barefoot from the house, and she disappeared. Over time, news

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<v Speaker 1>but trickle back that she had begun wandering from monastery

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<v Speaker 1>to monastery. She was looking for Iliador, and once in

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<v Speaker 1>a while she even ran across reporters who took down

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<v Speaker 1>her accounts and published the story of the wealthy st

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<v Speaker 1>Petersburg socialite who had fallen from grace, dragged down by

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<v Speaker 1>the talents of Grigory Rasputin. That was enough to concern

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<v Speaker 1>the church, not least because even more concerning stories began

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<v Speaker 1>to come out about how badly Resputant had treated Olga.

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<v Speaker 1>Some witnesses said that he had taken to screaming her,

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<v Speaker 1>telling her that she was demon possessed, and even beating

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<v Speaker 1>her with a shoe. Through it all, she would desperately

0:23:06.600 --> 0:23:09.800
<v Speaker 1>grab at his clothes and sob that rest Sputin was

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<v Speaker 1>christ himself. So when a new bishop arrived into Bolsk

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<v Speaker 1>that year, one of the things he put on his

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<v Speaker 1>list was a visit to Pokrovsko and to the home

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<v Speaker 1>of Grigory Resputin. It was now his job to care

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<v Speaker 1>for the people across his region of Siberia, and after

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<v Speaker 1>reading stacks and stacks of reports on Resputin, he decided

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<v Speaker 1>to see this threat to the Russian people for himself.

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<v Speaker 1>The bishop met directly with Grigory. It was a meeting

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<v Speaker 1>meant to test resputants religious beliefs. He took a measure

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<v Speaker 1>of Grigory's hopes and ambitions and considered whether his preaching

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<v Speaker 1>was strengthening the church. The local priest and other church

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<v Speaker 1>officials made another search of Resputant's house, and they questioned

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<v Speaker 1>the people who knew him, trying to ferret out anything

0:23:51.640 --> 0:23:54.199
<v Speaker 1>he said that might sound like the heresy they feared

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<v Speaker 1>for whatever reason, though their conclusions left Resputant off the hook.

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<v Speaker 1>What kind of a man and was Rasputin? The bishop

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<v Speaker 1>wrote that he was honestly spiritual and that he was

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<v Speaker 1>searching for the truth. He was intelligent, He was capable

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<v Speaker 1>of giving good advice to those in need. That fall,

0:24:11.520 --> 0:24:14.360
<v Speaker 1>he submitted a report to other leaders in Russia's church

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<v Speaker 1>the investigations into Grigory Resputent ought to be condemned. He

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<v Speaker 1>said there was no heresy, and in his eyes, Grigory

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<v Speaker 1>Resputin was an orthodox Christian. But if that closed the

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<v Speaker 1>book on Rasputin for the Russian Church, well, we can

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<v Speaker 1>take a slightly more critical view looking back from today,

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<v Speaker 1>because there are a few things that never made it

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<v Speaker 1>into the bishop's report. First of all, he had known

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<v Speaker 1>Rasputin for years, ever since Grigory had made a pilgrimage

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<v Speaker 1>to Kazan in nineteen o four, and he left that out.

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<v Speaker 1>Second of the bishop had his own scandals in his wake.

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<v Speaker 1>As he splashed down at the new post in Siberia,

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<v Speaker 1>whispers that he had been keeping a mistress and fostering

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<v Speaker 1>fanatical followers of other mystical preachers. And from the outside,

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that the church ended its scrutiny of Rasputin

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<v Speaker 1>caused some concern. Reopening the investigation into Grigory's shady life

0:25:04.320 --> 0:25:06.720
<v Speaker 1>had only made him stronger. What if the two men

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<v Speaker 1>had cut some kind of a deal. And suspicions only

0:25:10.000 --> 0:25:12.480
<v Speaker 1>got stronger when a few months later that bishop was

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<v Speaker 1>transferred again to the warmer, more hospitable self, and was

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<v Speaker 1>promoted to the fourth highest position in the Orthodox Church,

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<v Speaker 1>very different from how Rasputant's enemies were usually treated removed

0:25:23.880 --> 0:25:27.239
<v Speaker 1>from authority in the church, men like Iliodor, Germy Jen

0:25:27.480 --> 0:25:30.800
<v Speaker 1>and Phio fan To a public who are now seeing

0:25:30.840 --> 0:25:34.879
<v Speaker 1>schemes of Resputant behind every injustice, it seemed that opposing

0:25:34.960 --> 0:25:37.719
<v Speaker 1>him came with a heavy price, and this was simply

0:25:37.880 --> 0:25:41.119
<v Speaker 1>one more sign that there was something rotten in the

0:25:41.160 --> 0:25:47.879
<v Speaker 1>shadow of the czar. Three years that's how long the

0:25:48.000 --> 0:25:52.520
<v Speaker 1>Romanovs had ruled Russia, so naturally the planned festivities were enormous,

0:25:52.880 --> 0:25:55.920
<v Speaker 1>A twenty one cannon salute rang out from the fortress

0:25:55.960 --> 0:25:59.560
<v Speaker 1>and St. Petersburg. Nicholas himself led a procession from the

0:25:59.600 --> 0:26:02.879
<v Speaker 1>imperial residence at the Winter Palace to the cathedral. The

0:26:02.920 --> 0:26:08.760
<v Speaker 1>streets were packed, crowds cheered wildly as the imperial family approached. Inside,

0:26:08.800 --> 0:26:13.560
<v Speaker 1>even the cathedral was standing room only. Honored guests, government officials,

0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:17.480
<v Speaker 1>and various foreign ambassadors and dignitaries took special reserve seats

0:26:17.520 --> 0:26:20.520
<v Speaker 1>to honor the history of the Romanov family and their power.

0:26:21.080 --> 0:26:23.960
<v Speaker 1>But if the joy and excitement of the occasion was infectious,

0:26:24.400 --> 0:26:28.480
<v Speaker 1>it didn't catch on with at least one man, Mikhail Rogianko,

0:26:28.720 --> 0:26:31.520
<v Speaker 1>the President of the Duma. In fact, the day so

0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:34.080
<v Speaker 1>far had put him in a foul mood. It started

0:26:34.080 --> 0:26:36.560
<v Speaker 1>with those seats in the cathedral, you see. When he

0:26:36.640 --> 0:26:39.080
<v Speaker 1>first saw the guest list and how the seating would

0:26:39.119 --> 0:26:42.600
<v Speaker 1>be arranged, he was irate. The seats assigned to members

0:26:42.640 --> 0:26:44.919
<v Speaker 1>of the Duma were in the back of the cathedral,

0:26:45.119 --> 0:26:48.280
<v Speaker 1>behind a host of other functionaries and officials who were

0:26:48.320 --> 0:26:51.480
<v Speaker 1>closer to the Czar. So Rosienko set out to make

0:26:51.480 --> 0:26:54.280
<v Speaker 1>it right. He hunted down the Master of Ceremonies and

0:26:54.320 --> 0:26:56.800
<v Speaker 1>badgered the man until he bent the seating chart to

0:26:56.880 --> 0:26:59.680
<v Speaker 1>his own will, the Duma members would be moved forward.

0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:02.760
<v Speaker 1>With that promise secured, he even assigned a number of

0:27:02.760 --> 0:27:05.399
<v Speaker 1>his sergeants at arms to block off the section and

0:27:05.440 --> 0:27:08.320
<v Speaker 1>turn away anyone who tried to plant themselves in those seats.

0:27:09.280 --> 0:27:12.520
<v Speaker 1>Feeling satisfied, Rosienko took up a place on the porch

0:27:12.640 --> 0:27:14.840
<v Speaker 1>to wait for the rest of the Duma members to arrive.

0:27:15.359 --> 0:27:17.959
<v Speaker 1>But it wasn't long before a breathless man rushed up

0:27:18.000 --> 0:27:20.840
<v Speaker 1>to him. Some scoundrel had fought past his guards and

0:27:20.920 --> 0:27:23.760
<v Speaker 1>taken a space reserved for the Duma. The sergeants were

0:27:23.840 --> 0:27:26.600
<v Speaker 1>arguing with him, but the man refused to budge. When

0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:29.760
<v Speaker 1>he heard the description of the intruder. Ragged man in

0:27:29.840 --> 0:27:33.800
<v Speaker 1>peasants dress wearing a pectoral cross, Rodsienko knew who he

0:27:33.880 --> 0:27:37.080
<v Speaker 1>was dealing with. Rasputant had moved himself to the head

0:27:37.119 --> 0:27:41.240
<v Speaker 1>of the class. Rodsienko marched inside, but the grigory resputant

0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:44.280
<v Speaker 1>he found wasn't so ragged at all. On the contrary,

0:27:44.320 --> 0:27:46.320
<v Speaker 1>he was decked out in all the finery he had

0:27:46.320 --> 0:27:49.760
<v Speaker 1>received or purchased over the years. A crimson silk tunic

0:27:50.000 --> 0:27:53.199
<v Speaker 1>supple leather boots, a coat line was sable for, and

0:27:53.359 --> 0:27:57.280
<v Speaker 1>ebony trousers, all under an enormous cross hanging from an

0:27:57.400 --> 0:28:01.800
<v Speaker 1>ornate gold chain. Rodsienko let loose. He demanded to know

0:28:01.880 --> 0:28:04.400
<v Speaker 1>what Grigory thought he was doing there. The peasant would

0:28:04.400 --> 0:28:07.399
<v Speaker 1>get out, or Rosienko would drag him out by the beard.

0:28:08.119 --> 0:28:10.400
<v Speaker 1>The two men locked eyes, and I can only imagine

0:28:10.400 --> 0:28:14.119
<v Speaker 1>the flashes of fire that burned the air between them. Eventually,

0:28:14.240 --> 0:28:17.399
<v Speaker 1>Rosienko told Resputant to clear the cathedral. There was no

0:28:17.520 --> 0:28:20.440
<v Speaker 1>place for a vile heretic like him in that sacred house.

0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:23.840
<v Speaker 1>But Rasputin defended himself by saying that he had been

0:28:23.880 --> 0:28:27.119
<v Speaker 1>invited there, and he dared Rosienko to make good on

0:28:27.240 --> 0:28:31.359
<v Speaker 1>his threats. The President of the Duma obliged. He jumped

0:28:31.359 --> 0:28:34.400
<v Speaker 1>on Resputant, battered him with blows, and called the Cossack

0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:37.360
<v Speaker 1>guard to bounce him out the door. At least that's

0:28:37.359 --> 0:28:40.440
<v Speaker 1>how Rosienko remembered it. He wrote it down too, then

0:28:40.480 --> 0:28:43.360
<v Speaker 1>he published it in his memoirs. Ever since, It's a

0:28:43.400 --> 0:28:45.800
<v Speaker 1>moment that has been told and retold to show just

0:28:45.880 --> 0:28:48.880
<v Speaker 1>how much bad blood there was between Rasputin and the

0:28:48.920 --> 0:28:51.840
<v Speaker 1>Russian officials. Around him. After all, it had the ring

0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:55.040
<v Speaker 1>of truth, the fine clothes, the men of various parts

0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:57.719
<v Speaker 1>of Russian life scraping with each other to take pride

0:28:57.720 --> 0:29:00.360
<v Speaker 1>of place near the Tsar, the bickering that Ms Two

0:29:00.360 --> 0:29:03.880
<v Speaker 1>blows and is only settled by Cossack muscle. It's all

0:29:04.080 --> 0:29:08.960
<v Speaker 1>pitch perfect, if we can believe Rosienko. That is the

0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:11.280
<v Speaker 1>thing is. It seems that in the end, Resputant did

0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:14.920
<v Speaker 1>attend the celebrations, and not just at the cathedral. In fact,

0:29:14.960 --> 0:29:17.440
<v Speaker 1>there were plenty of ways to partake, and it became

0:29:17.480 --> 0:29:20.120
<v Speaker 1>clear the Resputant was a guest of the imperial family

0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:22.880
<v Speaker 1>as the days went by, because they took their party

0:29:22.920 --> 0:29:26.200
<v Speaker 1>on the road, and they took Gregory with them. Nicholas's

0:29:26.200 --> 0:29:29.360
<v Speaker 1>sister commented that after everything, it was stunning and even

0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:33.400
<v Speaker 1>upsetting that Resputant was now back in plain view, strutting

0:29:33.400 --> 0:29:36.920
<v Speaker 1>along with the other elites. But after all, this was

0:29:37.000 --> 0:29:39.800
<v Speaker 1>a celebration of the Czar's power, and if anyone needed

0:29:39.840 --> 0:29:42.280
<v Speaker 1>a sign that the Tsar's wishes overruled the will of

0:29:42.280 --> 0:29:46.120
<v Speaker 1>the people or anyone else's, this did the trick. Despite

0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:49.360
<v Speaker 1>all the rumors, despite all the investigations, If the Czar

0:29:49.480 --> 0:29:53.880
<v Speaker 1>wanted Grigory Resputant by his side. Then Resputant was untouchable.

0:29:54.720 --> 0:29:57.200
<v Speaker 1>After all, Nicholas and Alexander had a point to make.

0:29:57.680 --> 0:30:00.320
<v Speaker 1>Their advisors had been telling them that Resputant was threat

0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:03.240
<v Speaker 1>to the throne. They warned that revolutionaries like the men

0:30:03.280 --> 0:30:05.760
<v Speaker 1>who had killed the Prime Minister were still on the hunt.

0:30:06.160 --> 0:30:09.720
<v Speaker 1>Resputant shouldn't be seen with them. But then the celebrations

0:30:09.760 --> 0:30:13.840
<v Speaker 1>themselves were an enormous risk. Advertising their procession from city

0:30:13.880 --> 0:30:16.680
<v Speaker 1>to city only made it more likely that people discontented

0:30:16.720 --> 0:30:19.800
<v Speaker 1>with Czarist rule would turn the pageant into a blood bath.

0:30:20.960 --> 0:30:24.400
<v Speaker 1>No such thing occurred, though, and as cheering crowds greeted

0:30:24.440 --> 0:30:28.520
<v Speaker 1>them along their itinerary, Alexandra mocked the warnings. You can

0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:32.480
<v Speaker 1>see for yourself, she said. The ministers are cowards. They

0:30:32.480 --> 0:30:35.280
<v Speaker 1>had tried to scare the emperor with threats of assassinations

0:30:35.320 --> 0:30:38.360
<v Speaker 1>and revolutionaries, but to her eyes, it was all just

0:30:38.440 --> 0:30:41.000
<v Speaker 1>as much a veil of lies as the press reports

0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:44.440
<v Speaker 1>about her and Resputant. But from where we sit today

0:30:44.600 --> 0:30:47.840
<v Speaker 1>we see how misguided Alexandra it really was. The future

0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:50.800
<v Speaker 1>she faced was a dark one. The ministers had been

0:30:50.840 --> 0:30:54.200
<v Speaker 1>telling her the truth. They were imperiled on every side.

0:30:55.400 --> 0:30:57.920
<v Speaker 1>If the Romanovs thought that they were loved across their empire,

0:30:58.200 --> 0:31:01.120
<v Speaker 1>then maybe the biggest lies were the ones they told themselves,

0:31:01.480 --> 0:31:04.000
<v Speaker 1>and they were far from understanding the people they ground

0:31:04.120 --> 0:31:07.960
<v Speaker 1>under their feet. Here's Dr Joshua Sanborn to tell us more.

0:31:08.560 --> 0:31:11.240
<v Speaker 1>It's hard to know what the relationship between That's Are

0:31:11.240 --> 0:31:14.720
<v Speaker 1>and the people were. There're no surveys, there are no poles,

0:31:14.800 --> 0:31:16.840
<v Speaker 1>there are no there's no way to really get at

0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:19.000
<v Speaker 1>this question. And so much of what we have is

0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:22.200
<v Speaker 1>the representation of the autocracy itself for how it wanted

0:31:22.240 --> 0:31:24.440
<v Speaker 1>that relationship to be, how it wanted it to look,

0:31:24.600 --> 0:31:26.440
<v Speaker 1>and they had a lot of resources in order to

0:31:26.480 --> 0:31:29.200
<v Speaker 1>sort of have that happen. Indeed, in the years building

0:31:29.280 --> 0:31:31.480
<v Speaker 1>up to World War One, there are a series of

0:31:31.520 --> 0:31:33.960
<v Speaker 1>celebration that sort of they were intended to heighten this

0:31:34.000 --> 0:31:36.920
<v Speaker 1>bond between the monarch and the people. And these build

0:31:37.040 --> 0:31:41.440
<v Speaker 1>up to the church centenary anniversary of the Romanov dynasty

0:31:41.440 --> 0:31:45.360
<v Speaker 1>itself in and so they have big celebrations that always

0:31:45.480 --> 0:31:47.800
<v Speaker 1>always are trying to stress this bond between That's Are

0:31:47.800 --> 0:31:51.120
<v Speaker 1>and the people. And when we say big celebrations, we

0:31:51.240 --> 0:31:54.480
<v Speaker 1>mean big. They filled the streets in St. Petersburg, and

0:31:54.600 --> 0:31:58.960
<v Speaker 1>in Moscow and more, cathedrals, monasteries and the Kremlin hosted

0:31:58.960 --> 0:32:02.680
<v Speaker 1>events in their honor. Nicholas and Alexandra strode across the

0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:05.959
<v Speaker 1>Red Square, trailed by a Cossack officer carrying their heir

0:32:06.120 --> 0:32:09.840
<v Speaker 1>Alexei in his arms. From city to city they stamped

0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:14.160
<v Speaker 1>three hundred years of Romanov rule on Russia. But with

0:32:14.200 --> 0:32:17.440
<v Speaker 1>all of that pomp and pageantry, the question remains was

0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:21.200
<v Speaker 1>any of it real? Did it work? Did these celebrations

0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:25.240
<v Speaker 1>rebuild the bond between the czar and the people? Maybe

0:32:25.280 --> 0:32:28.320
<v Speaker 1>in Moscow, but the Russian Empire was vast, and no

0:32:28.360 --> 0:32:30.920
<v Speaker 1>matter how far the Czar traveled with his family and

0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:34.720
<v Speaker 1>his entourage, he wasn't reaching the hearts of the empire's borders.

0:32:35.240 --> 0:32:38.200
<v Speaker 1>Far from the parades and the speeches and the tussles

0:32:38.240 --> 0:32:41.080
<v Speaker 1>between Rasputin and the ministers about who will sit at

0:32:41.080 --> 0:32:44.880
<v Speaker 1>the Tsar's right hand, other things were brewing. Let's follow

0:32:44.960 --> 0:32:48.120
<v Speaker 1>Dr Sandborn to places further from the throne, but no

0:32:48.200 --> 0:32:52.480
<v Speaker 1>less consequential. The relationship between that's are in ethnic Russians

0:32:52.480 --> 0:32:55.200
<v Speaker 1>and and and those on the periphery um that is

0:32:55.440 --> 0:32:58.160
<v Speaker 1>certainly different, and that's going to vary widely depending on

0:32:58.200 --> 0:33:01.480
<v Speaker 1>where in the Russian Empire you are. So nationalism and

0:33:01.560 --> 0:33:04.640
<v Speaker 1>anti Russian nationalism is developing more strongly in certain places

0:33:04.640 --> 0:33:08.160
<v Speaker 1>than in others, most notably in Poland, but also beginning

0:33:08.160 --> 0:33:09.280
<v Speaker 1>to develop but by the time we get to the

0:33:09.320 --> 0:33:13.200
<v Speaker 1>twentieth century in places like Ukraine and in the Baltic States,

0:33:13.320 --> 0:33:15.560
<v Speaker 1>and even to a certain extent more broadly into sort

0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:18.320
<v Speaker 1>of the Asian territories of the Russian Empire too. The

0:33:18.320 --> 0:33:20.640
<v Speaker 1>thing we have to remember is that this relationship is distant.

0:33:20.840 --> 0:33:23.720
<v Speaker 1>That's are always wanted to see this as an intimate relationship,

0:33:24.000 --> 0:33:25.840
<v Speaker 1>but but it was a distant one. You know, most people,

0:33:25.840 --> 0:33:28.240
<v Speaker 1>of course never saw that's are and you know, they

0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:31.320
<v Speaker 1>live their lives in their local regions, in these local contexts.

0:33:31.960 --> 0:33:34.880
<v Speaker 1>And in the years leading up to that three anniversary,

0:33:35.240 --> 0:33:38.520
<v Speaker 1>the growing anti Russian nationalism was driven forward by a

0:33:38.600 --> 0:33:42.200
<v Speaker 1>self defeating force, the efforts of the Romanov government that

0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:46.080
<v Speaker 1>make them more Russian. In places where other churches and

0:33:46.160 --> 0:33:49.640
<v Speaker 1>other languages were outlawed, a growing resentment turned the people

0:33:49.680 --> 0:33:53.080
<v Speaker 1>against the distant ours. Schools were forced to teach only

0:33:53.160 --> 0:33:57.040
<v Speaker 1>Russian history, and crackdowns on other languages spread. But it

0:33:57.120 --> 0:34:00.520
<v Speaker 1>had the opposite of its desired effect. Ethnic nationalists on

0:34:00.560 --> 0:34:02.560
<v Speaker 1>the periphery. They had long tried to say, Hey, you

0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:04.640
<v Speaker 1>guys are all Ukrainians, and the Ukrainians will be like,

0:34:04.720 --> 0:34:06.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know where. I'm kind of a peasant, I'm

0:34:06.040 --> 0:34:07.920
<v Speaker 1>kind of a Christian. And now they're coming along, and

0:34:07.960 --> 0:34:10.440
<v Speaker 1>now they finally have the proof. They're like, see, your Ukrainians,

0:34:10.520 --> 0:34:13.399
<v Speaker 1>the state is punishing for being a Ukrainian. Now they say, oh, yeah,

0:34:13.400 --> 0:34:15.080
<v Speaker 1>now that's what you mean, Like I can't go to

0:34:15.120 --> 0:34:16.880
<v Speaker 1>the church I want to go to. My kids are

0:34:16.920 --> 0:34:18.840
<v Speaker 1>speaking some weird language when they come home from school

0:34:18.920 --> 0:34:21.200
<v Speaker 1>with a weird accent. All of that becomes much more

0:34:21.239 --> 0:34:24.160
<v Speaker 1>concrete for them, and so as a result, rusification, which

0:34:24.160 --> 0:34:27.080
<v Speaker 1>is intended to to limit the spread of ethnic nationalism,

0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:33.280
<v Speaker 1>actually helps to develop it, especially in the western borderlands Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, Lavia, Estonia.

0:34:34.080 --> 0:34:36.440
<v Speaker 1>But all of that was happening far from where Nicholas

0:34:36.480 --> 0:34:40.040
<v Speaker 1>was traveling. His parade of stage managed visits to various

0:34:40.080 --> 0:34:42.440
<v Speaker 1>sights at the heart of the Empire weren't showing him

0:34:42.480 --> 0:34:45.360
<v Speaker 1>how people really felt about his rule. After all, it

0:34:45.440 --> 0:34:47.480
<v Speaker 1>was his own government who was putting on the show.

0:34:48.200 --> 0:34:50.680
<v Speaker 1>There was a problem. Though. It wasn't just the Russian

0:34:50.680 --> 0:34:53.960
<v Speaker 1>people who were hearing the message. It was Nicholas himself.

0:34:54.440 --> 0:34:57.560
<v Speaker 1>Here's Dr Sanborn to tell us more. You have these

0:34:57.560 --> 0:35:00.520
<v Speaker 1>big celebrations and the nobility welcome you, and it's crowds

0:35:00.520 --> 0:35:03.800
<v Speaker 1>of cheering peasants. This is exactly what Nicholas wanted to see,

0:35:04.040 --> 0:35:06.160
<v Speaker 1>and it's he's able to convince himself that this is

0:35:06.160 --> 0:35:08.799
<v Speaker 1>a political reality. And so it's dangerous in a certain way,

0:35:08.880 --> 0:35:10.760
<v Speaker 1>right when you when you start using your own product.

0:35:11.000 --> 0:35:12.680
<v Speaker 1>But he had always sort of used his own product,

0:35:12.800 --> 0:35:15.520
<v Speaker 1>right He he was always imbuing himself with this notion

0:35:15.600 --> 0:35:18.080
<v Speaker 1>that he was a popular Russian star, and that stars

0:35:18.160 --> 0:35:21.160
<v Speaker 1>don't get their authority by being voted or surveyed. But

0:35:21.160 --> 0:35:23.680
<v Speaker 1>but it's just a mystical thing. You're born with it.

0:35:24.880 --> 0:35:27.680
<v Speaker 1>Because whatever the shape of the past they were celebrating,

0:35:27.880 --> 0:35:30.520
<v Speaker 1>the future that the Romanovs and their empire were facing

0:35:30.680 --> 0:35:34.160
<v Speaker 1>was about to hit them like a runaway train. Wrapped

0:35:34.160 --> 0:35:37.279
<v Speaker 1>in the banners of his noble lineage, Nicholas couldn't see

0:35:37.280 --> 0:35:40.640
<v Speaker 1>that the patchwork empire heat inherited was about to come

0:35:40.680 --> 0:35:47.480
<v Speaker 1>apart at the seams. It seemed like he had won

0:35:48.040 --> 0:35:50.359
<v Speaker 1>so why did Grigory feel like he was under such

0:35:50.400 --> 0:35:53.880
<v Speaker 1>a great weight. The so called miracle that healed Alexei

0:35:53.960 --> 0:35:57.280
<v Speaker 1>assured him his place alongside the czar in the greatest

0:35:57.320 --> 0:36:01.120
<v Speaker 1>festivities of the age. He had wealth, he had connections,

0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:04.120
<v Speaker 1>He had a place at the capitol. He could indulge

0:36:04.160 --> 0:36:09.160
<v Speaker 1>his every urge without consequences. But it wasn't enough. Yes,

0:36:09.200 --> 0:36:12.680
<v Speaker 1>he was making regular visits to the Romanov household. Nicholas

0:36:12.719 --> 0:36:16.680
<v Speaker 1>and Alexandra still welcomed him, but he was tired. Tired

0:36:16.680 --> 0:36:20.520
<v Speaker 1>of the constant attention It had stolen his peace, Tired

0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:23.120
<v Speaker 1>of the press attacks and rumors, not to mention when

0:36:23.160 --> 0:36:25.520
<v Speaker 1>the stories bit a little too close to the bone

0:36:25.840 --> 0:36:28.319
<v Speaker 1>in the first waves of negative attention. He had ducked

0:36:28.320 --> 0:36:30.920
<v Speaker 1>out of sight and come back stronger. But he didn't

0:36:30.960 --> 0:36:33.000
<v Speaker 1>want to spend the rest of his life working the

0:36:33.040 --> 0:36:37.160
<v Speaker 1>back rooms of church officials and dodging the secret police investigators.

0:36:37.719 --> 0:36:42.000
<v Speaker 1>He was fed up. Reporters were mobbing his St. Petersburg apartment.

0:36:42.440 --> 0:36:45.239
<v Speaker 1>They made him nervous. They called him a heretic, They

0:36:45.239 --> 0:36:48.200
<v Speaker 1>called him a sex maniac. They called him a servant

0:36:48.239 --> 0:36:51.000
<v Speaker 1>of the Antichrist. There was a time when he would

0:36:51.000 --> 0:36:53.080
<v Speaker 1>have said that these were nothing more than clouds that

0:36:53.200 --> 0:36:56.160
<v Speaker 1>wind and sun would scatter. Not to mention the Czar,

0:36:56.640 --> 0:36:59.279
<v Speaker 1>but he had been rubbing shoulders with Nicholas and Alexander

0:36:59.360 --> 0:37:01.560
<v Speaker 1>for long enough now that he wondered if maybe there

0:37:01.640 --> 0:37:04.760
<v Speaker 1>was another way, maybe he could deal with it all himself.

0:37:05.480 --> 0:37:08.120
<v Speaker 1>So he sent some messages on his own behalf. One

0:37:08.160 --> 0:37:10.680
<v Speaker 1>went to the Minister of the Interior. One went to

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<v Speaker 1>the Chief Procurator of the Holy Synod, protect him from

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<v Speaker 1>his enemies and what he called the abuse in the press.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the early months of nineteen fourteen, and Grigory

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<v Speaker 1>Resputant was finally throwing his weight around. But if he

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<v Speaker 1>felt like the accusations in public outrage were getting tiresome,

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<v Speaker 1>the attacks on Resputant were about to get a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more real and to hit a lot closer to home.

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<v Speaker 1>Toward the end of spring, Grigory decided to leave the

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<v Speaker 1>capital behind for some time at home in Siberia. His

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<v Speaker 1>friends and followers sent him off with good cheer, a

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<v Speaker 1>little piece simplicity and family time, and he would be

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<v Speaker 1>back as good as new. And it started the way

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<v Speaker 1>he planned. His first morning in Pokrovsko, he spent at

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<v Speaker 1>church followed by a large meal with his family. A

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<v Speaker 1>group of visiting friends even joined him while they were

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<v Speaker 1>still gathered around the table. Though, a knock came at

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<v Speaker 1>the war. It was a telegram from a photographer asking

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<v Speaker 1>if he could stop by to take pictures of Grigory's

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<v Speaker 1>home and family. He quickly scratched out a reply and

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<v Speaker 1>then ran out the door to catch the messenger, waving

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<v Speaker 1>the slip and calling out to him. He wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>be sure the reply went out right away. As he

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<v Speaker 1>went though, Rasputant passed someone who was standing at his gate.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a woman dressed in black. She was like

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<v Speaker 1>many people he had met before. In fact, as he

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<v Speaker 1>stood in front of her, she bowed. Assuming she was

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<v Speaker 1>there to beg He fumbled with his wallet to see

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<v Speaker 1>if there was something he could give her, But in

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<v Speaker 1>that moment while he paused, her hand disappeared into her clothes,

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<v Speaker 1>and then she dove forward. Suddenly, pain burned across Grigory's stomach.

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<v Speaker 1>He slapped his hand down over his gut and stumbled

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<v Speaker 1>backward into a run, yelling that he had been attacked.

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<v Speaker 1>When he looked back, he could see that she was

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<v Speaker 1>running after him. She was carrying a large knife red

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<v Speaker 1>with his own blood, and she had a deadly look

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<v Speaker 1>in her eyes. When she reached him again, he was ready,

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<v Speaker 1>despite the blood running down his legs. He fought back,

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<v Speaker 1>and by the time the others came to grab her arms,

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<v Speaker 1>Grigory had already knocked her down. By now, people were

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<v Speaker 1>running out of his house, and shouts rang out up

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<v Speaker 1>and down the crowd that formed along the street. Gregory's

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<v Speaker 1>wife ran to his side. As she pulled him toward

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<v Speaker 1>their door, she noticed that he was losing consciousness and

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<v Speaker 1>no wonder by the second more of his blood caked

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<v Speaker 1>into the dust. Their friends surrounded him and lay him

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<v Speaker 1>on a bench. Someone else ran for a doctor. Resputant

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<v Speaker 1>had been gutted in the street, right in front of

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<v Speaker 1>his own house. In an instant, he had been sent

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<v Speaker 1>to death's door. If only a powerful healer could drop

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<v Speaker 1>in to pray over him, speak to his blood, and

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<v Speaker 1>call him back from the brink. It would take time

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<v Speaker 1>for the motives of the attack to become clear, but

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<v Speaker 1>there were even darker tidings clutched in the hands of

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<v Speaker 1>the next messengers headed to Pokrovsko. War was on the

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<v Speaker 1>wind again. Nicholas and Alexandra were calling for their adviser,

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<v Speaker 1>but he lay elsewhere, stretched out and pale. It seemed

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<v Speaker 1>that Grigory Rasputin wasn't so untouchable after all. That's it

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<v Speaker 1>for this week's episode of Unobscured. Stick around after this

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<v Speaker 1>short sponsor break for a preview of what's in store

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<v Speaker 1>for next week. He swam back to consciousness. The line

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<v Speaker 1>of fire burned across his belly where the knife had

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<v Speaker 1>slashed him open. But Grigory Rasputant's mind was already charging

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<v Speaker 1>ahead to what came next after the attack and who

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<v Speaker 1>was behind it. In fact, when he came to Rasputin

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<v Speaker 1>told the people around him that he knew who was

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<v Speaker 1>to blame, the mad monk Iliodora. After the two men

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<v Speaker 1>finally severed their friendship, Grigory must have known it was

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<v Speaker 1>only a matter of time before one of Iliodora's followers

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<v Speaker 1>would follow his signature command for violence. As time would reveal,

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<v Speaker 1>Rasputin was right. The woman who had attacked him in

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<v Speaker 1>the street outside his house was a follower of Eliodora's

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<v Speaker 1>violent teachings. She had even met Rasputin before, when the

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<v Speaker 1>two teachers were still traveling together. Now, like so many

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<v Speaker 1>others in Russia. She had come to believe that rasputants

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<v Speaker 1>prophecies were false and his spirit was polluted with vile

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<v Speaker 1>habits and selfish ambitions. She believed that it was Rasputin

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<v Speaker 1>who had turned on Iliador, so she set out to

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<v Speaker 1>avenge her chosen leader with a fifteen inch dagger on

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