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Speaker 2: Donks, look at this now, tip to tip. This is

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Speaker 2: our life, this is our passion. That's the spirit we

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Speaker 2: bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: This this Morning Combat.

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Speaker 1: It is Thursday July sixteenth, twenty twenty, and it is time,

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Speaker 1: donks for Morning Combat. Welcome everyone. My name is Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 1: I'm one half of your hosting duo, the man on

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Speaker 1: the other side of the screen, you know, from CBS

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Speaker 1: Sports as well as this show, The Conspiracy to my theory,

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Speaker 1: the one and only Brian Campbell. Brian, I know there

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Speaker 1: was a ban on blue ticked Twitter accounts last night,

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Speaker 1: but I didn't see you doing a whole lot of

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Speaker 1: tweeting about the fights last night. Where were you, Buddy?

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Speaker 3: I was you know you ever see the movie Clockwork

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Speaker 3: Orange where they had the eyes, you know, kept open

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Speaker 3: like that, Luke, that was where my hands were trying

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Speaker 3: to stay up till one thirty am Eastern time for

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Speaker 3: that card. I know a lot of wine in here

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Speaker 3: from an East Coast boy here.

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Speaker 4: But UFC this week Man Fight Island.

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Speaker 3: They got us live in life, you know, a quarter

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Speaker 3: mile out of time like Prime Dom Toretto because they're

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Speaker 3: producing the contact content and we're staying up late for it.

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Speaker 1: They certainly are a couple of housekeeping notes that we'll

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Speaker 1: get this going pretty quickly. This is just an episode

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Speaker 1: of Morning Combat Extra, a little bit more relaxed BC,

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Speaker 3: Spread spread it like an std luke. Because the deal

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Speaker 3: is we are the combat freaks. We like the girls

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Speaker 3: with a boom. I mean, I would speak for both

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Speaker 3: of us and say we'd be willing to get busy

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Speaker 3: in a burger king bathroom.

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Speaker 1: No condoms, no masks, just straight, you know. To the point. Also,

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Speaker 1: we always plug it. We have merchandise. You can go

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Speaker 1: And of course, if you like to try Showtime, you

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Speaker 1: certainly can go to showtime dot com or a thirty

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Speaker 1: day free trial. If you'll like it, you can keep it.

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Speaker 1: If not, you can pound sand. But why would you

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Speaker 1: want to do that? BC? I couldn't imagine trying showtime

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Speaker 1: for thirty days and saying it's not good enough for me.

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Speaker 3: At the very least try it for that outcry, doc,

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Speaker 3: because I'm fired up about it. You think one day

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Speaker 3: we could get GK in this piece here? I would

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Speaker 3: love to chat with that, man.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. We're gonna figure out, how much

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Speaker 1: we're gonna figure out our standing in this company. If

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Speaker 1: they can make it happen for us with the GK,

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Speaker 1: we'll know exactly where we are. But I guess a

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Speaker 1: discussion for a different time. Okay, see, let's get this going, man.

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Speaker 1: So last night we had the second of two I

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Speaker 1: think it was the second of four cards that are

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Speaker 1: going to happen at Fight Island. It was Cater versus EGA.

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Speaker 1: Let me just read the result here if I can,

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Speaker 1: for folks who may have missed it, or just to

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Speaker 1: go over it as a point of order. Two scores

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Speaker 1: of forty nine forty six forty seven. Cater defeats Egay

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Speaker 1: I had at forty nine forty six. I gave the

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Speaker 1: second round to dan Egay. But I'll go I'll go

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Speaker 1: with you first, BC, Before we talk about the implications

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Speaker 1: of the fight, what'd you make of the fight itself?

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Speaker 3: Look, it had potential to be fireworks two top ten featherweights.

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Speaker 3: You mentioned the implications, right, you had an opportunity to

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Speaker 3: the you know, excitement expectations. Neither did the entire main card,

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Speaker 3: He didn't push the pace and go for the knockout

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Speaker 3: So you didn't see the full package of what they

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Speaker 3: don't know if I would favor him per Se against

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he beats one of those guys, maybe

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Speaker 1: So to your point, he certainly belongs in that group.

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Speaker 1: Exactly how he pairs with them, I'm not entirely sure.

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Speaker 1: As for the fight itself, you know, I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: even good fight. I'm not here to bash it at all.

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Speaker 1: Was it epic? No, it wasn't. It wasn't Clash of

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Speaker 1: really really talented. If he could get his volume BC

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Speaker 1: it seems to me he's still a little bit of

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Speaker 1: like he's too smart to be a bite down on

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a bit of a tweener in that regard,

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Speaker 3: but he's rounding out his game and look a little

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Speaker 3: bit of a late starter. He's thirty two, he only

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Speaker 3: He's put it together in a short time now, four

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Speaker 4: The only loss is a beat.

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Speaker 3: But as we know, of course, he pushed him late

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Speaker 3: he's the one with the momentum at that point. Oh

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Speaker 3: here's what's interesting. You know, he's not gonna blow away.

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Speaker 3: I don't think the upper crust like he was able

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Speaker 3: the knockout of Burgos, the violent finish of Jeremy Stevens,

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Speaker 3: I think this fight in a lot of ways, for

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Speaker 3: him to test his five round gas tank and rely

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Speaker 3: more on his technique will be more helpful for him

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Speaker 3: in the long run, because you can't expect to walk

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Speaker 3: him in a round and a half. It's just not

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Speaker 3: going to happen. I do think for Ega though, he

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Speaker 3: found his ceiling right.

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Speaker 4: He found out how good he can be.

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Speaker 3: He can right rip off six in a row against

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Speaker 3: increasingly good competition. And obviously the Barbosa fight was a

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Speaker 3: tough one. He rallied, He showed us a lot, but look,

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Speaker 3: I saw a guy who was a little bit nervous

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Speaker 4: He wasn't able to go full bore and.

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Speaker 3: Just pepper and bring it with the in and out

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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting, I look at the rankings here.

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Speaker 1: These are not updated, so these are what they were

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Speaker 1: last night. We'll see how they change. Ega was sitting

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Speaker 1: at ten, Stevens at nine, Emmett at seven, tied for

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Speaker 1: Korean Zombie four or take a three, Zu beat at two,

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Speaker 1: and then Max Holloway at one. I don't know exactly

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Speaker 1: what it's gonna do for Caterer because he beat someone

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Speaker 1: don't know if Ega will drop out. He might, he might.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to say exactly because I don't know what

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Speaker 1: is Alan Burgos, Ryan Hall, Sadik Yusif and Jose Aldo.

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Speaker 1: entire turnover of a division from five years ago. Almost

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Speaker 1: not quite because Holloway would have been in there, and

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Speaker 1: a couple other ones Chansung Jung. But still, and for

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Speaker 1: the most part, it's incredible how good one forty five is.

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Speaker 1: It's not as good as one thirty five, and it's

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Speaker 1: think for those reasons, BC gets lost a little bit.

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Speaker 1: But I was just sitting back marveling at this. I

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Speaker 1: So I went back, and I watched a couple of

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Speaker 1: Lastly, about this, I mentioned the five fights that Ea

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Speaker 4: And you almost were.

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Speaker 3: Getting BC conspiracy theory level on the Max Holloway Volkanovski

432
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Speaker 3: rematch over the weekend and the timing of those tweets

433
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Speaker 3: and who they were favoring, and I, you know, I

434
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Speaker 3: appreciate the radio argument you gave that they were so

435
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Speaker 3: overwhelming in the favor of Holloway early. You mix that

436
00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,920
Speaker 3: with Michael Bisbee's commentary which was very Holloway heavy, and

437
00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,160
Speaker 3: maybe that's starting to, you know, seduce the audience. It's

438
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Speaker 3: no different than you're watching boxing on TV and the

439
00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,080
Speaker 3: in house scorer on the network has it in one

440
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Speaker 3: direction and that leads you to believe that's who's winning.

441
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Speaker 3: Are you trying to go a little bit further though,

442
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Speaker 3: and say there's any potential conspiracy.

443
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Speaker 1: There at all? Luke? No, I mean the argument I made,

444
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Speaker 1: you got it mostly right, but you missed a key detail.

445
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Speaker 1: It wasn't merely I was arguing that bis being and

446
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Speaker 1: by the way, Annik too, and by the way, listen,

447
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Speaker 1: here's the thing. Why were people really upset that Max

448
00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,920
Speaker 1: didn't get the NOD number one? It was a close

449
00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,520
Speaker 1: fight and he won the first two rounds, so it's

450
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Speaker 1: understandable they would think that he won flat out. Number two.

451
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Speaker 1: I thought the commentary not in any kind of conspiratorial way,

452
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Speaker 1: which is really complimentary of ma efforts, and I can

453
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Speaker 1: understand that. It just it is what it was. And then,

454
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Speaker 1: as you indicated the tweets have I looked it up.

455
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Speaker 1: They did not put up a positive tweet praising Max's

456
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Speaker 1: effort until three forty two of the fifth round, So

457
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Speaker 1: for every moment before that, sorry up a positive of

458
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Speaker 1: Volkanovski's effort. So for after rounds one, two, three, and

459
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Speaker 1: four and through parts of five, it was just solid,

460
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, Max looks great, blah blah blah. And

461
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Speaker 1: then the part you missed was that they kept showing

462
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Speaker 1: data on the screen about the striking totals, and literally

463
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Speaker 1: every time they did it, every single number was wrong,

464
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Speaker 1: and not just wrong, wrong in really important ways. Volcanovsiler No, No,

465
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Speaker 1: here's the thing I talked to fight metric about it.

466
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Speaker 1: What they said was, get they score fights in real time,

467
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Speaker 1: then when the fights are over, they go back over

468
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Speaker 1: them and pick up on all the things that they

469
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Speaker 1: missed because it's hard to catch everything in real time.

470
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Speaker 1: Fair enough, but that should give you pause. I don't

471
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Speaker 1: think the UFC was trying to be like, oh, let's

472
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Speaker 1: make a case for Max to win, because if they did,

473
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Speaker 1: what good does that do? Everyone got pissed. All I'm

474
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Speaker 1: simply saying is you have to be really careful when

475
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Speaker 1: you're on these broadcasts, because between the tweets and the

476
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Speaker 1: numbers and the commentary, and by the way, Max doing

477
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Speaker 1: really well at the end, there's been all this messaging

478
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Speaker 1: about how well he's done. And I wonder what the

479
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Speaker 1: response would have been if those numbers had not been

480
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Speaker 1: shown and the tweets were a little bit more balanced

481
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Speaker 1: and the commentary a little bit more in between. I

482
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Speaker 1: don't know, but I can't believe that that had nothing

483
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Speaker 1: to do with people's impressions. I think that's the arguments

484
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Speaker 1: of yours.

485
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Speaker 3: I thought you were a little harsh on Bizzping though

486
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Speaker 3: in terms of his commentary. I mean, look, the guy's

487
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Speaker 3: got one eye. At the end of the day. He

488
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Speaker 3: can't see everything.

489
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Speaker 1: You know, I thought Bisping did a phenomenal job in

490
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Speaker 1: the Parier and Hooker fight, to the point where to me,

491
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying he made the fight, but I would

492
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Speaker 1: not have been able to enjoy that fight as much

493
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Speaker 1: as I did were it not for Bisping. And but

494
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Speaker 1: here the reality of about this were getting little bit sidetracked.

495
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Speaker 1: Which is, dude, Volkanovski in Holloway, when they fight, it

496
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Speaker 1: is extremely difficult to understand what they're doing, even for

497
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Speaker 1: the most advanced person, which I am not, And so

498
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Speaker 1: I understand why the commentary went the way that it went.

499
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Speaker 1: It's not it's not I don't know who could do

500
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Speaker 1: that job much better. Maybe Cruise in DC. Maybe, But

501
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Speaker 1: even that is they're gonna go back and watch the

502
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Speaker 1: first fight. It was Joe Rogan and DC. They missed

503
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Speaker 1: a ton of stuff, and that's d C. If even

504
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Speaker 1: d C is going to miss a ton of stuff,

505
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Speaker 1: nobody has a prayer. So it's less about that. It's

506
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Speaker 1: just more about the occupational hazards of calling elite MMA. Dude,

507
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Speaker 1: it's hard, it's super hard, and we have to sort

508
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Speaker 1: of take inventory of what, uh those limitations and unconscious

509
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Speaker 1: biases may mean in terms of on screen messaging. That's

510
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Speaker 1: all I'm saying. Yeah, you can make a case fair.

511
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Speaker 3: You know, debate, not to rehash your radio show. But

512
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Speaker 3: I thought that was a fair debate you had where

513
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Speaker 3: it is difficult in real time. I complained sometimes from

514
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Speaker 3: press row that I have certain blockages that make my

515
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Speaker 3: mind I score whoever whatever that matters my score as

516
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Speaker 3: a journalist, you know, easy to be criticized because somebody

517
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Speaker 3: at watching at home is watching replays or closer angles

518
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Speaker 3: and all that. We've debated a lot about how you

519
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Speaker 3: fix scoring. We did it on Monday's Monday Morning Combat.

520
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Speaker 3: I'm wondering, after hearing lengthy debates, if the easiest quick

521
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Speaker 3: fix without blowing up systems is just going to five

522
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Speaker 3: judges for title fights only, right?

523
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Speaker 4: Or main events? Title fights and main events only.

524
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Speaker 3: You go to five judges, you throw out the two

525
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Speaker 3: outlying scores, and you stick with the three in the middle.

526
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Speaker 3: You should get a winner. Is that that hard?

527
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Speaker 1: So I don't think that's crazy. Here was my idea.

528
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you heard this part, but what

529
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Speaker 1: I think is I've often said I think we should

530
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Speaker 1: judge fights as a whole versus the ten point must system,

531
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Speaker 1: because I just don't feel like the criticism of the

532
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Speaker 1: ten point must system is that it's not accurate enough

533
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Speaker 1: to reflect what's going on, and I don't think that

534
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Speaker 1: changes with the way we score fights, which is to

535
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Speaker 1: say the following. Look at fight Metric. They are numbers

536
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Speaker 1: they put out after around they know are not accurate.

537
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Speaker 1: It's the most accurate that they can be. But there's

538
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Speaker 1: clearly a huge gap between that and what they find

539
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Speaker 1: out after the fact. And what sort of occurred to

540
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Speaker 1: me when I was going because I have a dissected

541
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Speaker 1: coming out on a Volkanovsky and Holloway BC, and what

542
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Speaker 1: occurred to me was I was going over these the

543
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Speaker 1: tape over and over and over again. And I'll tell you,

544
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Speaker 1: in the process of that, the case for Volkanofsky became

545
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Speaker 1: a lot stronger. But then I thought, what does that

546
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Speaker 1: even mean? Like, what does that matter? If it takes

547
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Speaker 1: this much tape examination for me to understand something? How

548
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Speaker 1: could I blame the judges? You know, and I know

549
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Speaker 1: they I know they got it for Volkanofski, But I'm

550
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Speaker 1: saying in a case where maybe you disagreed with them,

551
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: how can you blame them because they don't have access

552
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Speaker 1: to any of this stuff. So when folks are like

553
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna fact check the judges, I'm gonna get on

554
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,120
Speaker 1: my computer and I'm gonna look at this in slow motion,

555
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: I always think to myself, I'm not saying you're not

556
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Speaker 1: finding a more accurate picture, but you're not using any

557
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Speaker 1: of the tools that judges have. Like, yeah, you're gonna

558
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 1: holdld on, maybe make this one point. It's like, hold on,

559
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, hold on. My point is this

560
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Speaker 1: if you find that the judges made a mistake. To me,

561
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,360
Speaker 1: that's like, yeah, of course they did. Fight metric makes

562
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: a mistake real time, they have to go back and

563
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Speaker 1: fix it later. My ideas as follows BC for title

564
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:12,919
Speaker 1: fights and any five round main event, judge it as normal,

565
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: don't change anything. If you lose in either of those

566
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 1: cases via split, you should ask the commission to have

567
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Speaker 1: one person expertly review it. They will review it and

568
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: then give their recommendation to either uphold or to vacate

569
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Speaker 1: the call.

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Speaker 3: What do you think who want to have sex with Matumbo? No? No, no, no, no.

571
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 4: Look.

572
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Speaker 3: What we don't want is any Look you know what

573
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Speaker 3: I hate about the modern NBA A lot a lot

574
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Speaker 3: about modern NBA. I'm sorry, I gotta be the old

575
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Speaker 3: guy over forty who wants you know, post up basketball

576
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 3: and pick and roll and doesn't want to see one

577
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 3: hundred and three shot per game. Wow. That sounded really old,

578
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 3: didn't it. Anyway? What I hate about the modern game

579
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 3: is you can have this crazy buzzer beater moment and

580
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Speaker 3: then we all have to pause and wait ten minutes

581
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 3: for you know, the referees to get under the hood

582
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Speaker 3: and rewatch it and make sure the right team won.

583
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 3: I know everyone's going to argue in that spot and say,

584
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 3: don't you want the right team to have one?

585
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 4: No, I want the moment.

586
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 3: I want that big moment there of you know, look

587
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 3: they got it wrong, they got it wrong, we'll check afterwards.

588
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 3: I think that kills the excitement. It kills a lot

589
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 3: of things. What your pro what you're you know, suggesting

590
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 3: may have more elements of fairness to it, but nobody

591
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 3: wants to watch a fight have an outcome and then

592
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Speaker 3: know it potentially can change. And then there's elements of

593
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Speaker 3: you know, political connections and all that. You need to

594
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Speaker 3: have a winner confirmed when it ends you know, look,

595
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Speaker 3: my idea with an extra extra judges just for title

596
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 3: fights would at least protect the sanctity of a title fight.

597
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 3: I think at the very least, whatever change you make,

598
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Speaker 3: let's get it right on title fights first. But I

599
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 3: don't like any idea of let's delay and have an

600
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Speaker 3: appeal and maybe it can change, or maybe there's an

601
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Speaker 3: automatic rematch if it was a split decision, I don't

602
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Speaker 3: want anything to do with that.

603
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Speaker 1: Well, so here's why I understand that the need to

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Speaker 1: do it quickly. So my other idea would be on

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Speaker 1: top of that, any review would have to be done

606
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Speaker 1: within thirty days. And again, it doesn't solve your problems,

607
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Speaker 1: but it at least, you know, puts a timeline on it,

608
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: which I think would be better. But the reason why

609
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: I'm doing what I'm doing is I understand the impulse

610
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: to say, well, we need a decision there and it

611
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: has to stand right. It's so weird in the Olympics

612
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: where someone gets a medal and then you find out,

613
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 1: you know, eight years later, BC they got a medal

614
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight. Was the Games in two

615
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: thousand and eight they were in was it London? Two

616
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Speaker 1: thousand and eight No Beijing, Beijing, Beijing. So you know,

617
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: you find out someone gets a gold medal in the

618
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 1: Beijing Games. Here we are at Rio and they get

619
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Speaker 1: stripped because you know, they tested positive for something they

620
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 1: discovered later.

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Speaker 3: And it's like, you can't go Ben Johnson, please, it's

622
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 3: still real to me.

623
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you can't go back and undo that metal ceremony.

624
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 1: It all still stands, right, So I understand that point.

625
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: I think it's a fair concern. But here's what I'm saying.

626
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 1: Two points one. I don't think you can treat these

627
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: things as glibly as saying, well, the results should stand,

628
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: because we need integrity of results. I get it. But

629
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 1: that consequence for Max is utterly enormous. It is so

630
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: huge that now he may never be in another title

631
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 1: fight again. I'm not saying that he won't be it's impossible,

632
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: but he has a tough road in front of him

633
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: promotionally at one forty five, competitively a one to fifty five.

634
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: I think that should matter. The second thing I would

635
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: say is you can't treat these results like an umpire

636
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: calling balls and strikes in a game, Like people in

637
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 1: baseball will say. You know, listen, the every umpire has

638
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: their own strike zone, and a certain call can be consequential. Right,

639
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 1: bases loaded, tie game, but are you know what, They're

640
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: up by one or whatever and you know full count

641
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: and you get called to strike when it was actually

642
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 1: a ball. That one call could be consequential. But how

643
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: many pitches are there in a game? One hundred, one

644
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty two hundred, right, so it just an aggregate.

645
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Speaker 1: You just say let it slide, dude. There aren't enough

646
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: of these in fighting to just treat it like an

647
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: umpire calling balls and strikes. On some level, they've got

648
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: to get it right. And here's my thing. You are

649
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: telling people to just look at something with no data,

650
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: no ability to review. They have to turn in their

651
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: scores immediately. You can see that fight metric gets it wrong.

652
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: You can see judges after you review it get it wrong.

653
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: It's a terrible way to adjudicate dispute. It's awful. You

654
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: have to have some kind of method to make sure

655
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: they get it right when it's the most.

656
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 3: With you serious, I mean, I'm all.

657
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 4: For ed adjudication, but let's let's let's have.

658
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 3: A winner when the night ends, and that's it stands, Okay,

659
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 3: so maybe maybe we got to go Dana White Caveman

660
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 3: and say no decisions in title fights. You can't win

661
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 3: the title unless it's a unanimous decision. I don't know

662
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 3: that's all bullshit too. Look, Luke, let's just let's just

663
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 3: get the title fights right, all right. Two more judges,

664
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 3: maybe one in front of a monitor backstage, blindfolded, smearing

665
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 3: peanut butter, watching it in black and white on the screen.

666
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 3: Whatever it takes, let's get this ish right, all right, And.

667
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: Then any thoughts on Tim Elliot's win. Nice win by

668
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: him at Flyway.

669
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 3: Yeah he needed it, dude. I know he signed a

670
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 3: new deal but recently. But you know, no one wants

671
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 3: to lose four in a row. And he's better than that.

672
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 3: He was in those fights that he lost. I thought,

673
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 3: you know, you could have scored this for Benoit. He

674
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 3: landed some heavy punches, and you know, he was the

675
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 3: He wasn't the aggressor, but he was the the bully

676
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 3: in there when it mattered most. But look, they rewarded

677
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 3: Elliott's activity, and especially when that fight would go to

678
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 3: the ground. You know he's forever trying to get a submission.

679
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 3: I don't like the choice to cut, the mullet. It

680
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 3: was very on brand for him to be that that

681
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 3: wild man. I don't know if he ever gets back

682
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 3: to the title level we saw him. You know, he

683
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 3: gave a good effort against Demetrius Johnson at the tail

684
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 3: end of that run. But he's gonna be a tough

685
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 3: out for everybody he fights, reckless, he's got a weird style.

686
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 3: A good win for him, he needed it.

687
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: I don't like the mullet thing. I'm not down with it,

688
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: So I like the haircut. All right. Here's an interesting one.

689
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: I feel like the fight took place at featherweight, but

690
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: obviously it's between two bantamweights. Jimmy Rivera taken on Cody

691
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: Stamen wins two thirty twenty seven's and one nine twenty eight. Man.

692
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: If there is one person at bantamweight who is elite

693
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: and kind of forgotten, it's Jimmy Rivera, and I get

694
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: it right. He doesn't have the most scintillating highlight headkick

695
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: knockout reel. He's not super, you know, calling out people

696
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: on the mic VC that dude can fight his app

697
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: So if Cody Stamen is massively improved since relocating to Vegas,

698
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: I thought It wasn't like Rivera was like way better

699
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: than him, but you could just see Rivera was able

700
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: to make better decisions kind of dictated the offense eventually

701
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: by the time the third round came around, great takedown

702
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: defense when he needed it, great cage control when he

703
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: needed it. He just he's just a complete fighter. And

704
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: then afterwards electing to use his time with John Annick

705
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: to help out this woman who has been doing makeup.

706
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: I think Cindy, I forget her last note, please forgive me.

707
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: And because she's a go fundme page which I donated

708
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: to be senior. If you haven't done it yet, you

709
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: should do that. You know, just just a class guy

710
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: and one of these guys that at Tiger Shulman that

711
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: people just don't think of when they think of like

712
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: elite Bansam weights. That dude is elite and people should

713
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: say it out loud. His days at the top of

714
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: that division are by no means over.

715
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that I mean, look, he needed this win

716
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 3: as well along with Tim Elliott, and he got it.

717
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 3: And the good news for him is that wasn't even

718
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 3: the best of him. I mean that he didn't have

719
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 3: an opponent as recently as what four or five days ago,

720
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 3: he had been out for a lengthy time, he had lost.

721
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 4: I mean, look, this is why we kind of forget

722
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 4: about him.

723
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 3: His three losses in four fights after that huge start

724
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 3: to his career, right twenty one and one, when he

725
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 3: looked like he was entering the title picture. That'll make

726
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 3: people believe you're not elite. And then you know you

727
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 3: saw a hiccup too. I'm not making that.

728
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: Up, right, Nah, I don't believe that's right, but I

729
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: can't remember.

730
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 3: All right, Well, you know, he had things going against

731
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 3: him to be the cool guy in the room. Right,

732
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 3: he's going bald, he's got bad tats, and he's got

733
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:27,719
Speaker 3: a grinder style.

734
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 4: But you know he ground her.

735
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 3: He did, believe me, and he got it done the

736
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 3: old fashioned way, technical work in the clinch, workmanlike. And

737
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 3: you know he has to prove to us again that

738
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 3: he can be elite. And I don't think anything that

739
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 3: happened on Wednesday night, you know, goes against that. He's

740
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 3: only going to get better the more active he gets. Again.

741
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:45,959
Speaker 3: You know, it was a featherweight bout, but it's two

742
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 3: bandam weights and you know, Stayman had the opportunity to

743
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 3: make another good story onto a bad situation with losing

744
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 3: his brother. But you know, the better man won and

745
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 3: that's what you want.

746
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: I have a funny Jimmy Rivera story. You want to

747
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: hear it?

748
00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, come on Jersey.

749
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: Where where was backstage for? What was the last UFC

750
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: show at Barclay's? Was that the one in January? The

751
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: first that was? That was at Dila Shaw? And uh so, hudo?

752
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: That was that? Was that one? Right? The first UFC

753
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: on ESPN Plus.

754
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 4: Was in What year was that was? Was that twenty nineteen?

755
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: Dila?

756
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, Dila Shaw?

757
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: So yeah this, yes, that was the fight before he popped.

758
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: So I had had Jimmy Rivera on my show literally

759
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: that week or maybe like the week before, like literally

760
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,719
Speaker 1: days before. Okay, and he comes backstage. He was not fighting,

761
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: and I wanted to just thank him for coming on

762
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: the show because I had never been introduced to him

763
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: in person, and I was like, hey, Jimmy just took

764
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: my hand out to shake it. He shook it, and

765
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: I was like, really appreciate you coming on the show.

766
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: And I swear to God, he goes you are. I

767
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: was like, ah, I'm the guy who show you went

768
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: on this week? My name is Luke. Thank you for

769
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: coming on. He's like, you're Luke who. I'm like, I'm

770
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: Luke Thomas. You were on my show. Just to never mind,

771
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: it's fine, just thank you for coming on. So I

772
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: was like, all right, I got big time by Jimmy Rivera.

773
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you know, yeah, yeah, all right, that happens. Look,

774
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 3: I know you'd never shaved the beard, but would you

775
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 3: be interested in coloring your hair at all? I'm speaking

776
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 3: for the people here.

777
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: No, never, I don't care how stupid it looks. I'm not.

778
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: I'm not coloring it.

779
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 3: I don't say it looks stupid, and it looks educated

780
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 3: and and you know, I'm.

781
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: No, it looks stupid. I mean I've got gray like someone.

782
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: You know who it was, you know, Paul Lazenbye, like

783
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: he did MMA and pro wrestling, right, Paul laysanby the

784
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: Canadian guy.

785
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 3: Right. I hadn't heard about him until you mentioned him

786
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 3: on a previous show, but I know who he is now.

787
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said I looked like Peter Parker's boss. Have

788
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: you ever seen Spider Man's boss? Yep, yep, he's got

789
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: the gray here and then the and then the hair on. Yeah,

790
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: I look like Peter Parker's stupid ass boss. I look

791
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: like an idiot, and I know I do. I just

792
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:42,959
Speaker 1: don't care anymore. I'm too old.

793
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 3: All right, all right, you've hey, look you've already secured

794
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 3: the Punani, so you're you're doing well.

795
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if you get exactly like, who am

796
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: I trying to press anymore? All right?

797
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 4: So women's Flyway stationers are male anyway?

798
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 3: All right?

799
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: Yeah? Have you seen our listeners? I mean you, me

800
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,439
Speaker 1: and them? We are all garbage, pale kids this point.

801
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,240
Speaker 1: We should not you know, we're not prize pigs. Okay.

802
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: T Lea Santos makes her debut against Molly McCann, winning

803
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: three seven across the board. Don't have a lot to

804
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: say except Santo's looked good, dude. She looked like she

805
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: was in good shape. She was able to take them

806
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: ount later, physically strong. She looked awesome.

807
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, she crushed that meatball like me, you know, for

808
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 3: lunch with the foot long sub there. That was fantastic

809
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 3: for real. She she's sixteen and one. I mean, I

810
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 3: know this is you know her, she's early in her

811
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 3: USC run. But considering that Molly mccannon was on a

812
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 3: three fight win. Streaking came in in much better shape

813
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 3: than normal and was really sort of going for it.

814
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 3: This was like one sided. This was like, you know,

815
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 3: professional and almost borderline amateur. And that's a compliment to

816
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 3: Talia here. Look, you know, women's flyweight is so damn shallow.

817
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,240
Speaker 3: You got a pulse, you got nine to nine dollars

818
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 3: a pulse, and you got a job.

819
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:51,720
Speaker 4: You might be able to get a title.

820
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 3: Shot soon against jeff Chenko, And she showed a lot

821
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 3: of those things that like, you know, I don't want

822
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 3: to say things like championship mindset, but there was a

823
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 3: maturity to her. There was certainly length and technique and

824
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 3: all that and toughness, but she looked like she belongs.

825
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 3: So I want to see a lot more of her

826
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 3: in a short period of time. Let's do it.

827
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, McCann came out with some fire and Santos shut

828
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: it down. So that was a pretty impressive win. Now,

829
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: the most impressive or at least fun fight on the

830
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: main card Munir Lizz against the returning Abdul Razzaq El Haassen.

831
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 1: It was It was kind of weird in the broadcast.

832
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I get why they didn't want to bring

833
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: it up. But they're like, you know, Monir Lozez has

834
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: a really interesting story about fighting the octagon. I'm like, yeah,

835
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: so does al Hassen. For folks of me, I know,

836
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: was arrested and then tried for rape and beat it

837
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 1: was fully exonerated, and here he is back. I think

838
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 1: you lost a couple of years of his career.

839
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had an episode six of Outcry on showtime.

840
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: Be on the lookout for it.

841
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 3: Yeah. Anyway, Duke lacrosse team got it right right, Let's

842
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 3: keep it.

843
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: Please, don't get us fired. Abdul Razak Alhassendud was well

844
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: known super firepower, a little bit, you know, kind of

845
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: lets loose with some hooks, but major, major firepower, and

846
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: do Lozz sat there and took it and then kept

847
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: coming and kept coming to the point where he basically

848
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: overwhelmed him, winning two thirty twenty sevens and eight. Where

849
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: he was firing knees up the middle, those those lead

850
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: elbows over the top, he was pressing al Hassen back

851
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: into the cage, stuffing takedowns. Dude, that kid unbelievably ridiculous

852
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: chin and he looks like he's got some real ability.

853
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: BC called out Mikey Kerry afterwards, I want to see it.

854
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 3: Woo ha got you all in check. He is a

855
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 3: violent mffort shout out to Northern Africa, Tunisia there. But uh,

856
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 3: it sucks for al Hassen to fight, to make it

857
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 3: that fun of a fight and not even get the

858
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 3: bonus money because he missed Wake coming in.

859
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 4: But you know, he almost had a finit I mean.

860
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 3: He almost took you know, Lase's soul in the opening,

861
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 3: uh you know a minute there with that barrage and

862
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 3: unfortunately it sort of gassed him to a degree and

863
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 3: that opened the comeback. But to see a newcomer like that,

864
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 3: you know, have such vicious strikes with the elbows, have

865
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 3: a great chin, have a motor, and have sort of

866
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 3: a you know in a good way, like a sadistic

867
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,280
Speaker 3: level to him and like I was coming for your soul.

868
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 3: I didn't expect him, Mike Perry shout out. You know

869
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 3: you hear that story of how he even got to

870
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 3: the UFC with you know, they were playing it up

871
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 3: on the broadcast with the teenage kid running up to

872
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 3: Dana White and showing him the highlights on the phone

873
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 3: like that's that's the stuff that dreams are made of.

874
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 4: Here, I'm ready for this guy.

875
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 3: I don't, you know, tough to tell from a matchup

876
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 3: like this, really how good he is. But al Al

877
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 3: al Hassen, al Hassan, al Hassen, Razak al had What

878
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 3: am I saying here? Al Hassen's tough, he's legit ac

879
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 3: They don't fighters from Aquagana. They can bang, okay, let

880
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 3: me bang bro and you know he did. And I

881
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 3: want to see a lot more.

882
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 4: Of this guy.

883
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,720
Speaker 3: That's the best thing you could say, Luke, about cards

884
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 3: like this, not a deep card on paper, getting introduced

885
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 3: to a lot of these people for the first time.

886
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 3: Even with all these fights going to the decision, there's

887
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 3: two fighters back to back we just mentioned. I want

888
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 3: to see more of.

889
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: I was shocked that fight went three rounds. I mean

890
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: al Hassen was bombing on him in the first and

891
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: was landing huge shots to the rest of the fight,

892
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: and Lezez was going to the body constantly. I thought

893
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: for sure al Hassen was gonna gas. Nope, he stuck

894
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 1: it out too, although he had missed weight and made

895
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: one seventy four, so to your point, couldn't get the

896
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: bonus when they got Fight of the Night from the

897
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: prelim card BC. I won't go through every one of these.

898
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 1: The couple that stent out to me first of all,

899
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: hamzat JEMIAV just absolutely running over John Phillips. And then

900
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, did he call out somebody? I don't know,

901
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: but Dakulos like the truth.

902
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he had the the susaphone out there on

903
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 3: John Phillips. Fantastic job right there. I also liked my

904
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 3: Lithuanian Brethren Modestus Bukalkis, but we can't say what his

905
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 3: last name sounds like, but he passed it around Luke

906
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 3: to get a nice finish on Andreas Mikalitis.

907
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: Did you what did you make of this? Being saying

908
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 1: that it was that the for folks of men to remember.

909
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: Mikolitis or Mikolitis whatever was trying to take down Bukowskis

910
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 1: against the fence, and Bukowskis was doing those like curving elbows,

911
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: which most of them appeared to be legal. Maybe not

912
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: all of them, but most of them were. And then

913
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: the round ended there, so he drops and the referees

914
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: like are you okay? Are you okay? Aske him multiple times.

915
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how many, but at least three, and

916
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: then he kind of goes to sit and when he sits,

917
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 1: he kind of falls out of the cage because the

918
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:28,280
Speaker 1: door was open.

919
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 3: I forgot about that. I was telling you I was

920
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 3: impressed by the guy getting the wind. But that's a

921
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 3: bunk finish, and you know that, Luke, he probably got knocked. Well,

922
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 3: the door opened up, the guy fell back. He didn't

923
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 3: fall back because he was kaoed right. There was a

924
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 3: borderline foul there the whole situation. It seems a little

925
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,479
Speaker 3: like it didn't have to end that way.

926
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: And you know, here's my thing. If you're the referee

927
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: and the guy drops to his knees after that and

928
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: doesn't get up and go back to his stool, and

929
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: you ask him multiple times if he's okay, and he

930
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: does not answer you, and then the first move he

931
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: makes is to sit and then he falls backwards. I

932
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: can understand uh Bisping's point. I think it's a fair

933
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: one that, well, if the cage door wasn't open, maybe

934
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: he doesn't fall back, But the fact that he went

935
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: that long being unresponsive and then he does, I can

936
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: understand why the referee was like, okay, I've had enough here. Yeah.

937
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 3: I mean his body language didn't support a fighter who

938
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 3: was ready to fight, so it's his fault in the end.

939
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 3: You know. It's kind of like when you're in boxing

940
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 3: and you're cornered and you're almost kind of quasi sitting

941
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 3: on the ropes and you're not throwing back there, they're

942
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 3: gonna stop that fight, and it's your fault, you know,

943
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 3: even if you're not even if you're not heard out there.

944
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 3: Did you see uh, poor John Annik by the way,

945
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 3: who's gutting it out on like no sleep everyone there

946
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 3: is uh did you see that interview with uh Leana

947
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 3: Jojua that was kind of quasi in English but not

948
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 3: really And John's like, hey, you know you can use

949
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 3: the interpreter and then she's like no, no, my camp good.

950
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 4: He's like no, you.

951
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,240
Speaker 3: Can you really you can use the interpret Finally he's like, okay,

952
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 3: great fight, you know, hope to see again. She goes

953
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 3: hold on my camp good. Oh that was that was brutal.

954
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 3: I like it was it was, you.

955
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, I was a little boor at ask. But

956
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: here's the thing started. Yeah, she started the interview by

957
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,919
Speaker 1: saying my English is not so good. So it wasn't

958
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: like she didn't.

959
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 3: Get the can we get the Apollo theater hook in

960
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 3: that situation and just get out and get move on?

961
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 1: UFD that when it has to come to a point

962
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: where the UFC just makes like an executive decision where

963
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,720
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, you got to be at least

964
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: proficient in English to get an interview, you know what

965
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: I'm saying. That's like me trying to answer that was

966
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: like me trying to order food in Spanish and Columbia

967
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: and getting laughed at by the locals. They're like, sir,

968
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: you can leave the line now, and I'm like, no,

969
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 1: I would like I would like an a rape up please.

970
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: They're like, get the fuck out of the line.

971
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 3: Rap didn't al hassen get cleared? What bad, bad, bad

972
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 3: bad South American food joke?

973
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: Sorry some people, Yeah, really terrible. By the way, point,

974
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: when I point this out, Laurel and Murphy gain the

975
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: win over hikarlojamos, brutal ground and pound. How about Jared

976
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: Gordon housing Chris Fishgold three thirty twenty six is then

977
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: he mentions all this stuff about you know, the personal

978
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: he I didn't know he had at a false positive

979
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 1: test for COVID when he got to Fight Island. Then,

980
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: of course he tested negative enough times where they let it.

981
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: Rock loses his whole corner to COVID. Paul Felder steps up,

982
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: Eric Nixon steps up. We talked about that on Monday,

983
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: and then he reveals BC that I guess two or

984
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: three weeks ago, his wife had a miscarriage. I said

985
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: this on Twitter. I don't mind talking about it because

986
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: couples just don't. My wife and I experienced one several

987
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: years ago. Is it is devastating, man, It is devastating.

988
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: And obviously it depends on how far along in the

989
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: gestation process, and I think that probably does make some

990
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: of a difference to how painful it is. But for

991
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: him to go through all that BC, plus the travel

992
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: and not only win, but win thirty twenty six across

993
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: the board, dude, that is an impressive guy.

994
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a feel good moment there. I enjoyed

995
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 3: that a lot, and I enjoyed everybody else as we

996
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 3: talked about join in hands. You know, it's good. It's

997
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 3: good when we get those feel good stories in the

998
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 3: MMA community and the greater family coming together to support

999
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 3: each other. There's too much of I mean, look, look,

1000
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 3: you say it often there ain't no good people in

1001
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 3: this game, and people make fun of you for that,

1002
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 3: and you're a little bit overblown. There are some great people,

1003
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 3: Luke Okay, Bretto Kimoto, top shelf, all right, top shelf.

1004
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: I don't say if there are none, consider.

1005
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 3: Giving him a kidney. I want to go through with it,

1006
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 3: but I'd consider it. You know, it's easier in his

1007
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 3: country with the healthcare to make that happen. Though.

1008
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: I don't say that there are no good guys, and

1009
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: I don't give a shit if people make fun of before.

1010
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: I say that there are very few. And the answer

1011
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,479
Speaker 1: to that, like whether that's true, is absolutely that's true.

1012
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: It's full of a lot of totally deranged people. Okay. Lastly,

1013
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: Jack Shore defeats Aaron Phillips.

1014
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 3: Did you see the schmo showed up in the UAE?

1015
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 3: Is he coming for Morgan's blue shirt? Should we be

1016
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 3: on the lookout for this?

1017
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 1: I guess, bro. You can see his jacket. It looks

1018
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: like a like a rug at the bellagio all the

1019
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: way in the back there he's out there. He's making

1020
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: an appm for himself. God will almost have a.

1021
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 3: Great travel budget. Shout out to the SHMO for making

1022
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:05,720
Speaker 3: that happen.

1023
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, bro, he's out there. I mean he's got a

1024
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,439
Speaker 1: studio in Vegas. Most killing the game all right at

1025
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: and then lastly, Jack Suorret defeats Aaron Phillips at two

1026
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: twenty nine of the second round. Here we were naked choke.

1027
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: Nice win. By the way, I don't know if you know this.

1028
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 1: You mentioned that Joe Juah win over bel Beda. I

1029
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: think that I read something like, if you're talking about

1030
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: submission wins in men's divisions versus females that like the women,

1031
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: I think forty percent of submissions for women are arm bars,

1032
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 1: and I think I could be getting as wrong. I

1033
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: think it's something like fifteen percent on the men's side.

1034
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what explains that, but kind of

1035
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: an interesting disparity there. Interesting, I don't know. Yeah, Fight

1036
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: of the Night went to lezz and hal Hassen performed

1037
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: to the Night, Murphy Jemaiev and then bukowskis. I was

1038
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: surprised that he didn't give one to Caater, But what

1039
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: are you gonna do?

1040
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 3: I guess well it was it was thorough and impressive,

1041
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 3: but it wasn't overling.

1042
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: All right, So it takes us a little bit here,

1043
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: BC to this Saturday. This Saturday is another UFC contest

1044
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: and at the top of it, they're gonna find a

1045
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: way to make it happen. It seems they're gonna do

1046
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: it again from UFC what was it Norfolk before? I

1047
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: can't remember which one it was where Devison Figuredo is

1048
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: gonna have a rematch with Joseph Benavitez and it's for

1049
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: the vacant flyweight title. Of course, Figuredo beat Benavitez the

1050
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: first time but missed wait, so he couldn't get the title.

1051
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: Then he tests positive for COVID, but I guess it

1052
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 1: was a false positive. So they're gonna try to make

1053
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: it happen. What is your sense, BC about Figuredo versus

1054
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: Benavidez two.

1055
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 3: I'm really excited that it's happening, given the uncertainty. I

1056
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 3: know they had Alexandre Pantojia online one. He's gonna be

1057
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,439
Speaker 3: on this card anyway, and by the way, a really

1058
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 3: good fight, but you know, no one would have wanted. Look,

1059
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 3: there's there's an emotional level at stake here. We all

1060
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 3: like jou jitsu, right, Benavitez's he's he's this, he has

1061
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 3: the opportunity here for a biz pingy and like late career,

1062
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 3: finally climbed the mountain, super deserving all that, and you know,

1063
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 3: you add the added wrinkle of that knockout loss at

1064
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 3: Norfolk when his opponent missus Wade and headbutts him and

1065
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,479
Speaker 3: all that. But I didn't want that to potentially happen

1066
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 3: against Pandosia, no disrespect, right, Like, in a lot of ways,

1067
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 3: you know, I wanted Benavidez to go through to Juno.

1068
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 3: You know, a guy he had beaten in a Fight

1069
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 3: of the Year four years ago.

1070
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 4: Well, it's not gonna happen.

1071
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 3: I think this is close enough given that you know,

1072
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 3: he just got knocked out by this guy. Under all

1073
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 3: those circumstances, this is gonna be a very interesting fight. Yeah,

1074
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 3: you're asking a lot of figuredo with the whole last

1075
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:34,240
Speaker 3: minute situation.

1076
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 4: The false positive all that.

1077
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 3: But you know he's gonna come in there and bang

1078
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 3: and die weird colors into his hair. So I want

1079
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 3: to ask you this, Luke, There's was so much bad

1080
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 3: luck for Benavidez, and he's thirty five and this is

1081
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 3: the last of the last of the last opportunities for him,

1082
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 3: like somebody like Holly Holm.

1083
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 4: She made back door into a tile.

1084
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 3: Like I mean, if Amanda Nunaz retires tomorrow, they're putting

1085
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 3: Holly home in another title fight. You know, that's just

1086
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 3: how the game works at times. Benavida is ain't getting

1087
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:03,280
Speaker 3: no other opportunity than this. I wonder if he should

1088
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 3: carp a DM the shit out of this fight, Luke

1089
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 3: and realize that I can't. I can't lose a bunk decision.

1090
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 3: I can't hope. I don't get you know, kicked in

1091
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 3: the crotch or poked in the eye. I'm gonna go

1092
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:16,439
Speaker 3: have to go out there and get rid of this guy.

1093
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to do this, to do this the

1094
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 3: right way. I'm gonna have to go in there, not reckless,

1095
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 3: but I'm gonna have to go for the damn finish.

1096
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 3: I wonder if he adjusts to that mindset. I wonder

1097
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 3: if he's considering that, and I wonder if that could

1098
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 3: be the avenue to getting what he feels he deserves.

1099
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 1: I have a feeling he's not gonna do that. I

1100
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: have a feeling what he's gonna do is try and

1101
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 1: play it safer early on clinch where he can make

1102
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: Figuedo work because even if Figaredo makes weight, you know

1103
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: that way, that's gonna kill him, right, you know it is.

1104
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: So if you can just postpone actively going for offense

1105
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: until a little bit later in the fight when it's

1106
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 1: much easier to manage, that seems like a doable thing.

1107
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: Just make it about workload, not about offense and defense.

1108
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: And it's a doable thing. Because Figuredo laid him out

1109
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: last time, and I forget who was talking about it.

1110
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: I can't remember. I was watching some podcasts and they

1111
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 1: sort of think, think at Benavitez at thirty five, you know,

1112
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: knocked out several times. At this point, some people can

1113
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: get knocked out a bunch and they kind of just

1114
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: it doesn't really affect him all that bad. And then

1115
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: some getting knocked out a few times and it's like

1116
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: it's a rat for them. Maybe it was Big John

1117
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: and and just Thompson. I can't remember, but Benavidez, you know,

1118
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he you know, he's not Lezez okay,

1119
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 1: And I don't think he's like Chuck Ledale versus Rich

1120
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: Franklin in that sense either. But Figuredo definitely has the

1121
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: better firepower, definitely has the better striking, and that's just

1122
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: not something you can play with if you want your

1123
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 1: to maximize your chances. He's gonna have to make it

1124
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: ugly and make it late.

1125
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 3: So what about pushing pace on him? What about just

1126
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 3: making it making it attract.

1127
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: Met Yeah, make him move as much as you can

1128
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: make him work. If you had to pinpoint what advantage,

1129
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: Benavidez might have experience, maybe better scrambler, something like that,

1130
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: but he's probably gonna have better cardio. Cardio is absolutely

1131
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: gonna be his best. People don't think of cardio as

1132
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: a weapon. They think of it as a condition, But

1133
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: if you know how to use it properly, it's absolutely

1134
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: a weapon. And Max Holloway, for example, made it a

1135
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: weapon against although in both of those fights. So he

1136
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: has to weaponize cardio basically, is what I think. And

1137
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: just trying to go bonkers with Figuredo, I don't know, man,

1138
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 1: that's a recipe to get laid out again.

1139
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 3: If this ends up as a unhappy ending, where are

1140
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 3: we gonna put Joseph Benevite as a great fighter in

1141
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 3: the ultimate list?

1142
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 4: Of the greatest bridesmaids.

1143
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 3: I consider Dan Henderson the greatest UFC fighter to never

1144
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 3: win a UFC title, although when you add what he

1145
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 3: did in Pride and Strike Force, it almost cancels that out.

1146
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 4: Even mister Faber, you know, at least was w.

1147
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 3: E C champion and you know the best in the

1148
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 3: world in the small weight classes for a short period.

1149
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 3: There is Joe Benavitez next in line after those two.

1150
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 3: For greatest fighters to never win a UFC title? Would

1151
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 3: you put him ahead of a Demian my A Jackaray.

1152
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 1: He's he is probably ahead of them. I don't know

1153
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: if he's I don't think he's ahead of overim, but

1154
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 1: he is up there. I mean, listen to the names

1155
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:14,720
Speaker 1: he's beaten, Juicier Formiga, Dustin Ortiz, Alex Perez, Henri Sahudo,

1156
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: Zach Makovsky, Ali Baka Utinov, John Maraga again, Dustin Ortiz,

1157
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 1: Tim Elliott Formiga again, and then sort of an old

1158
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: school guard. These were the top guys back then. Darren Juyen, Oyama,

1159
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 1: Ian McCall yasahir Udu Shatani. You could argue he should

1160
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: have beaten Demetrius Johnson, the first time. We all know

1161
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: the controversy there, Eddie Wineland, Ian Lovelin, Wagni, Fabiano, Miguel Torrez,

1162
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: Hani Yaya, Jeff Current, Danny Martinez, and so on and

1163
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: so forth. Like dude, he's beaten a ridiculous list of guys.

1164
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 3: That was back when beating Miguel Torres was a you know,

1165
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 3: that meant.

1166
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 1: Something that was twenty ten and he submitted him at

1167
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: that only and only his thirteenth fight. Like dude, Joseph Benavidez,

1168
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: if he does not win a title, is absolutely one

1169
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 1: of the best fighters ever to never have a UFC title.

1170
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: So it's him Joel Romero so far. You know jerset

1171
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: Lott on that one. I suppose Hendo Overeim. Who are

1172
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: some other ones that I had thought of that I

1173
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: put You mentioned Maya and Jacaret probably put him on

1174
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 1: that list as well. There's a bunch you could pick,

1175
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: but Dude's he's at the near top of that list,

1176
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: not really on it. It'd be a shame. On the

1177
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 1: other hand, if you wins, of course, you know, he

1178
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: becomes sort of like what happened with Michael Bisping, where

1179
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: your last chapter, you know, you beat a guy who

1180
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: previously beat you and you get the title, and it

1181
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: would transform his career. I don't think he'll put him

1182
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame because it's not enough for that,

1183
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: although one never knows, but it would absolutely.

1184
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 3: If you're a nice guy, you get in the Hall

1185
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 3: of Famer, right if you try, if you you know,

1186
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 3: if you've played poker with Dana, you get in the

1187
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame.

1188
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: Come on, yeah, But it depends what wing you know,

1189
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:47,720
Speaker 1: Like would.

1190
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,399
Speaker 3: You you're gonna live down?

1191
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 4: Did you try to make a take last week?

1192
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 3: And I didn't hear it in real time that although

1193
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 3: wasn't already a Hall of Famer because Twitter was like

1194
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,399
Speaker 3: ready to like steal your daughter from you.

1195
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 1: No, people people don't understand anything because they have poor

1196
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 1: reading and listening comprehension skills. The argument that I made

1197
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: was not that he was not a Hall of Famer,

1198
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: although I may have been packaged that way the way

1199
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: he was cut up for the show. The argument is

1200
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: he's probably a Hall of Famer and he's not in

1201
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: there yet, but it seems like he will probably go

1202
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: in there. The question is he like a mount rush, like, oh,

1203
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: come on, hold on, hold on. The question is he

1204
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: sees probably close to if not already in the conversation

1205
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: for Mount Rushmore, all time great, and I made the

1206
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: argument quite explicitly. It's not difficult to argue that case.

1207
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 1: The argument I was making was, let's just presume for

1208
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: the sake of argument, he's on the bubble if he

1209
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 1: beat had he beat Yan, there is no argument at

1210
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: that point. So either you could make a case for him,

1211
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 1: or you could say it's a little bit somewhere close.

1212
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: The whole point about beating Yan was it is so

1213
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 1: ironclad at that point you couldn't even argue otherwise it

1214
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: would not even be possible, whereas now I think there's

1215
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,240
Speaker 1: at least a little bit of a debate to be had.

1216
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 3: All right, But that you presented that in obviously the

1217
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,879
Speaker 3: headline trick people. It led people to believe you were

1218
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 3: trying to make the case that he wasn't already. And

1219
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 3: then I got thrown in like like I'm responsible for you,

1220
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 3: as if like you said the N word or something

1221
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 3: and I didn't stop you, you know what I mean,

1222
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:14,959
Speaker 3: Like come on, yeah, well.

1223
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: Listen, if people read headlines and they don't watch videos,

1224
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: I don't give a shit about their opinion. And either

1225
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 1: should you.

1226
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, and by the way, if you say the N word,

1227
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 3: you're off the show and it's me and the SCHMO

1228
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:24,919
Speaker 3: moving forward.

1229
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: Okay, understandably, but good news for you. I don't do that,

1230
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: all right. So also on this card there's a couple

1231
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: of interesting fights, but the co main event, Jack Hermanson

1232
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 1: is back. Jack Hermanson taking on Kelvin Gastolim at middleweight two.

1233
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,280
Speaker 1: What a sleeper fight this iSBC.

1234
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 3: It's gonna be really interesting. I want to talk to

1235
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 3: you about Gastellum. Okay, Luke, I was there at two

1236
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 3: three six. People remember me in the orange pullover. Weird

1237
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 3: I'll fit choice that night, but I was front road

1238
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 3: to the best fight I've ever seen in boxing or

1239
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 3: MMA in person against Israel Atisnia. Look, I don't think

1240
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 3: you can argue that night that Gastallum was elite title

1241
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 3: can tender potential like he was everything right. That was

1242
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 3: the best in a lot of ways, distillation of who

1243
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 3: that man can be and could be. And there's you know,

1244
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:09,879
Speaker 3: it was important because a lot of his career had

1245
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 3: been missed. Weight show you flashes, but never really give

1246
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 3: it to you in that regard. There are people my

1247
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 3: colleague brand and wives at CBS Sports is one of

1248
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 3: them who's like, you know, y'all been drinking the juice

1249
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 3: of that performance against ad Asania, in which he fought

1250
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 3: his balls off, poured it out in the middle, almost

1251
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 3: rallied for submission win. I mean, everything was great, but

1252
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 3: that I'm drunk on the idea that he is and

1253
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 3: has always been who he is in that fight, and

1254
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 3: I like to, you know, aggressively say, you know, argue

1255
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 3: that and be like no, like he is that guy.

1256
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 4: But if you are gonna you know.

1257
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 3: He's only twenty eight by the way too, but if

1258
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 3: you are going to look at his recent run, you

1259
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 3: do have to be honest that he is two and

1260
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 3: three with one no contest in his last five. One

1261
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 3: of those wins was the knockout of Bisping. That shouldn't

1262
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 3: have happened, right, that's you if I shouldn't even been booked.

1263
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 3: And the other one was a split decision when I

1264
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 3: think over Jockhara, yep, and you know, yeah, he just

1265
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:02,879
Speaker 3: lost a split decision in a tough fight with Till

1266
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 3: and he got submitted by Widman for the other fight.

1267
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 3: I think you could make that case when you look

1268
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 3: at the recent resume. I do personally believe that there

1269
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 3: is elite talent in there. He hasn't always been able

1270
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 3: to put it out. But I will tell you what

1271
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 3: this fight offers him. If he loses this Luke, and

1272
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 3: it's three in a row against very good fighters, put

1273
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 3: a step down from the fighters he's recently lost to,

1274
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 3: he will be no longer in that elite conversation. But

1275
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 3: if he wins it, good God, He's right there on

1276
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 3: the title doorstep again, you know, yeah, costas in line Whittaker,

1277
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 3: you know till winner will be right behind that. But

1278
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 3: he's not going to be too far, especially if there

1279
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 3: ends up being a potential to rematch him if Adasani

1280
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 3: still has the title. So I get that debate, but

1281
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 3: I'm not buying in completely.

1282
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an interesting one. Herminston sitting at six, Gastlum

1283
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: sitting at seven, you're right. In his last six fights

1284
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: for Gastlum one three lost to one, No contest. I

1285
00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 1: should have been a win. It was a win over

1286
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: vitre Belfe but no.

1287
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 3: One to two, lost three Luke one.

1288
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: Two lost three, Is that right?

1289
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 3: Uh?

1290
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 1: In his last six you're right, he beat Bisping and

1291
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 1: SUSA and then lost to Wideman out of Signa till

1292
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: and then by.

1293
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 3: The way that Wideman lost is now a kind of

1294
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 3: a bad loss.

1295
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, he got submitted. It's the only one of

1296
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: the losses where he got stopped. And he nearly got

1297
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: stopped by Atasnya in the fifth round obviously before the buzzer,

1298
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: and there was a split decision lost to Darren until

1299
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: But you're right, I can never tell whether he's coming

1300
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: or going, you know, like there are times where I

1301
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 1: count him out and he totally exceeds my expectations and

1302
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: then I'm like, okay, all right, well I was wrong

1303
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: about him, and then he goes in there and he'll

1304
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: lose or he'll be uncomfortably close in ways that did

1305
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 1: not anticipate. I have a hard time sort of gauging.

1306
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: And to your point, like I remember the day he

1307
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: was supposed to fight Whittaker and then we found out,

1308
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: you know, Whittaker had the stomach issue and the whole

1309
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: thing was off, and it was a terrible night for him.

1310
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: That was the ATA Signa versus Sylvan Knight, right, And

1311
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: but you know, back then he was like, you know,

1312
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: that's a that get We all thought, like, I don't

1313
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,439
Speaker 1: know if he's gonna beat Whittaker, but God was gonna

1314
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: give him a run for his money. Gives out a soignia,

1315
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: toughest fight he's ever had by a million miles in

1316
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: terms of winds, and you know, then he goes against

1317
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: Darren Till. I thought that was a terrible fight for

1318
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: Till to take. Till showed tremendous growth and it was close,

1319
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: but like I thought, Till should have won outright, not

1320
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: immediately split. I don't know what's gonna happen here because

1321
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: her Manson. If you look at the way which he

1322
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: lost to, who's the guy wears all the rocks, the crystals?

1323
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 1: What's his face?

1324
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 3: You know I'm talking about rock Dwayne Johnson? Yeah, who

1325
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 3: I got it in front of me?

1326
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: Okay, Jared Cannoneer, Jared Cannoneer, Yes, Jared Cannonear.

1327
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 3: Got stopped after that four fight win streak where he

1328
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 3: looked like a quasi contender and then he got sent

1329
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 3: to hell.

1330
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well here's the thing. How did he do it?

1331
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: He stuffed all the takedowns out, scrambled and then on

1332
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: the feet. It just turns out Hermanson. Her Manson is

1333
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 1: probably he might be elite if he can use the

1334
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: totality of his game, not if he has to just

1335
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: rely on his striking. And so you have to think, Okay,

1336
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: if Kennanear can do that, shouldn't Gastly be able to

1337
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: do that? He can wrestle, he should have should have

1338
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: good cardio, good enough cardio. And it's only three rounds,

1339
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 1: and he can obviously strike with the best of them.

1340
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: He's got a big, heavy punch, even at one eight five.

1341
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: But like, I can't tell whether he's coming or going, Man,

1342
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 1: I really don't. And you're right about all the consequences

1343
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: he loses, it's terrible. He wins, he's probably back in

1344
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: the top five again.

1345
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 4: I'm seriously, he's right there.

1346
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 3: If Autosania beats Coast the next and then if Wittiker wins,

1347
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 3: he probably gets the rematch. If Whittaker doesn't win and

1348
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 3: Gastolum does on Saturday, you could argue he gets slid

1349
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 3: in for the next opportunity.

1350
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 1: So we'll see how that one goes. By the way,

1351
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: what are the odds on that one? Let me see

1352
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: here very quickly, what is I go to? I use

1353
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 1: best fight odds. I don't pay me anything, it's just

1354
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 1: a helpful resource. Oh they've got it as a pick

1355
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 1: EMBc her Manson minus one oh five gasolum minus one fifteen.

1356
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 1: Wow if yeah, it's.

1357
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 3: About Rightim keeps that fight on the feet, Luke, he

1358
00:59:59,120 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 3: can win it.

1359
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 4: He can knock him out.

1360
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: There's a couple of interesting fights on the main card,

1361
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, Aleschandre Pantoja's back, he's ticking on Ascar Askarov.

1362
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: There's like a women's fight on there for women's flyweight.

1363
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 1: Also back on this card BC Joseph Duffy. Joseph Duffy's

1364
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: back against Joel Alvarez. Joel Hoel he has lost to

1365
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 1: in a row. Joe Duffy has He lost to James

1366
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: Vick via TKO and then to Da Casey hasn't fought

1367
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 1: since March of twenty nineteen, so he's been off for

1368
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 1: over a year. Probably should win this one. But I

1369
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 1: remember when Duffy with first came to the UFC's like,

1370
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:37,439
Speaker 1: oh this is the guy had submitted Connor McGregor. Boy,

1371
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 1: his stock has dropped a significant amount since then.

1372
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, significantly, So this is a good opportunity to

1373
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 3: bounce back there. I think you went a little bit

1374
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 3: too quickly, Luke over that pantage pen Panoja. I guess, yeah,

1375
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 3: I guess Luke. I I keep doing this today, I

1376
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 3: can't speak wow. Pantojia against Askraft. Tell me if I'm

1377
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 3: wrong here on Askarov, I'm seeing a future title contender there.

1378
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 3: I know he you know, he had that draw with

1379
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 3: Morano that was fantastic, and then he came back with

1380
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 3: another win after that. I'm seeing that Russian toughness. I'm seeing,

1381
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 3: you know, a wrestling game, but also a willingness to

1382
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 3: go in the deep end. In the striking Pantosias ranked

1383
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 3: number three, and while he's a tough fighter, he's certainly

1384
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 3: not a guy that I look at and go, oh, yeah,

1385
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 3: you know, he's not that guy could be a future champion,

1386
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not sure if Askroov doesn't win this

1387
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 3: and win this impressively, that he might not be that

1388
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 3: he might be the next title challenger.

1389
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 1: Well, to your point about Pantosia, he only has two

1390
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: losses in the UFC, one to Dustin Ortiz back in

1391
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen and then one to Figuredo who's fighting for

1392
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 1: the title and be a unanimous. But after the Figaredo loss,

1393
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 1: I'll let me actually back up step. Before that he

1394
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 1: beat Wilson Hayes, and then after that he knocked out

1395
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 1: Matt Schnell. Matt Snell is easily one of the most

1396
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: improved fighters on the UFC roster. He is very talented.

1397
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: I know a lot of folks forget about that MTV

1398
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: show he was kind of on because he's so distinct

1399
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 1: from that and a couple early stumbles in the UFC,

1400
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 1: but he has absolutely totally transformed his game. And he

1401
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 1: got knocked out inside of the first round by Pantoja.

1402
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 1: So you're right, probably winner of this one takes on

1403
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 1: the winner of the main event, right so or yeah,

1404
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 1: Flywight to flyweight. So we'll have to see what happened

1405
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: at ASCAR.

1406
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 3: You better ask yourself that guy's fantastic, Luke. You know

1407
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 3: what you never talk about Ascar Askarov and.

1408
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 4: I you know I resent you for that.

1409
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 1: I don't I guess the other thing on this car

1410
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 1: that has my attention BC, and you're gonna make fun

1411
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: of me for it, I don't care. It's dabb Hamos

1412
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: taken on armand Saryuki in Now this is the second

1413
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 1: fight on the prelium card, Daviy Homos won. I want

1414
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 1: to say in the last or the one before that,

1415
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 1: the twenty seven ADCC against Lucas lepri Via flying arm

1416
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: bar as lepri was sitting trying to play open sitting

1417
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 1: guard and David Hamos did a flying arm bar on

1418
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 1: him and won ADCC. He is an absolute monster on

1419
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 1: the ground armand sar Yuki and had fight against Islam

1420
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 1: Makachev and he lost, but he showed he is an

1421
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 1: unbelievable scrambler. Has Mirob devolish Vili kind of cardio, maybe

1422
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 1: not as good, but pretty good, and is a workhorse.

1423
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 1: He is outmatched technically against Homos, but he puts in

1424
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: the kind of effort that might save him. I'm desperately

1425
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 1: looking forward to that contest. And also Sogin's.

1426
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 3: Armenians, Saruki and your Armenian brother, Did I guess that there?

1427
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 1: Yes? R Yukin is Armenian. Yes, that's why I will

1428
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:30,439
Speaker 1: automatically it's your friend.

1429
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 3: I'm sure you and him Coach Edmund will be fired

1430
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 3: up for this fight.

1431
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 1: Yes, but he is. I think he's part of like

1432
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 1: the parts of Armenia that are a little bit more

1433
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 1: Russia influenced, so you know that wasn't exactly my my

1434
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 1: my mom's upbringing, but you.

1435
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 3: Know, head movement just the same. Luke, shout out to

1436
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 3: your people. Shout out to U Vanis Martirosian of the

1437
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 3: Armenian culture, uh minuk Akopian from the La Times in

1438
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 3: Boxingstein dot com another Armenian star in the h in

1439
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 3: the Combat game. So U, I'm here to support you

1440
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 3: and your people, Luke. I don't know what Rob Thomas

1441
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 3: comes from, like probably like English or Angry.

1442
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 1: It is Thomas means twin or in Latin. I believe.

1443
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 3: Uh as long as you support my Lithuanian people, including

1444
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 3: Rosenami unis, and I'll back you on this all right.

1445
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 1: Uh, what is your connection to Lithuania?

1446
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 3: I'm fifty percent. My mother's family are vit Kouskisses.

1447
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 1: So is your mom? Does your mom? Has she ever

1448
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 1: been to Lithuania?

1449
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 3: She has not, but h three of her four grandparents

1450
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 3: were from there, came from there, and uh, yeah, you know,

1451
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 3: I think it explains my Baltic toughness, you know, offset

1452
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:44,800
Speaker 3: by my French Canadian side, which is probably more of

1453
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 3: my you know, personality and in softer side you know.

1454
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 3: But uh, you know, I look at Aaron Bronstetter as

1455
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 3: a brethren in this even though I'm from Quebec my people.

1456
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 4: But uh yeah, you know that's the history of me.

1457
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 1: Luke.

1458
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 3: It's a great show we got right here.

1459
01:04:57,920 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 1: You ever been to Montreal?

1460
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I've brutalized French there and got yelled at.

1461
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 3: I spend actually a New Year's Eve two thousand, I

1462
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 3: spent in a back room in Montreal.

1463
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 1: Wait ninety two, it was two.

1464
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 4: Thousand into two thousand and one.

1465
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 3: I was watching that Rams playoff game with Kurt Warner

1466
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 3: when they lost, and then you know, you go in

1467
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 3: the back room and then you regret telling that story

1468
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 3: in public. All right, things happened, Luke. Are you gonna

1469
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 3: buy the pay per view this weekend?

1470
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 1: There's a pay review this weekend.

1471
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's coming to you from a fair grounds in Iowa.

1472
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 3: It'll cost you twenty nine to ninety five. Kickboxing is

1473
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 3: the main event, as fifty seven year old Michael None

1474
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 3: takes on fellow X boxing champion takes on fellow over

1475
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 3: fifty Pat Millitic in a kickboxing pay per view main event.

1476
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 3: You just need to see your thoughts.

1477
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 1: No, no, I won't be watching that, unfortunately, tell me

1478
01:05:59,080 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 1: you're not watching that.

1479
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 3: No, No, I like gross things, but not that gross. Okay,

1480
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 3: thank you very much.

1481
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 1: Did militants just get arrested for DUI? I don't.

1482
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 3: I don't have an answer for that.

1483
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 1: But he is.

1484
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 3: He's a strong conspiratorial fellow. You know, I've heard a

1485
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 3: few he goes deep though. Guys, remember Vince Carter in

1486
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 3: the Elbow Deep. He goes that deep on the conspiratorial

1487
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 3: What are you if he's the Vince Carter Elbow Deep?

1488
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 1: Who are you in the slam Dunk Contest of conspiracy theories?

1489
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 4: I like to believe, you know, because here's the thing.

1490
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 1: You know, you're Isaiah Ryder just kind of doing this number.

1491
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 1: You know, I might be.

1492
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 3: Brent Barry from the free throw line in that awful

1493
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 3: ninety six dunk contest, you know, because the two thousand

1494
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 3: done contest is the best one of all time, and

1495
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 3: you know, Vince's performance is the best.

1496
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 4: But people don't realize, Luke, that.

1497
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:48,919
Speaker 3: T mac and Stevie Franchise had performances in that same

1498
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 3: two thousand dunk contest that would have won every other year.

1499
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 4: So maybe I'm one of them.

1500
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 3: In this discussion, or maybe I'm that weird guy Chris

1501
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 3: Anderson with the Yeah, I'm probably that weird guy. You

1502
01:06:58,920 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 3: remember that.

1503
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 1: Guy who's who is the biggest letdown in slam dunk history.

1504
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 1: In other words, a guy who could dunk, great player

1505
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 1: people liked, just really shit the bed in the slam

1506
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 1: dunk contest.

1507
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 3: Oh, I think Sean Kemp. He was a finalist like

1508
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:14,439
Speaker 3: four times and would always But that was back when

1509
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 3: you know you'd get one replacement dunk, so if you

1510
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 3: missed in a key moment, you were done.

1511
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 4: That's it.

1512
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 3: It wasn't like the Remember when the slam dunk contest

1513
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 3: got shitty again around eighth nine. Yeah, remember Andrea Godala

1514
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 3: and Nate Robinson got like forty chances to do a dunk,

1515
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 3: and by that point, you know, it's like, hey, looks

1516
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:32,440
Speaker 3: good in the highlight. It took you thirty seven times

1517
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 3: to bounce it off the top of the backboard. Though, look,

1518
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 3: I'm a slam dunk contest historian, I'm very passionate about it.

1519
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 3: They've ruined that contest many times. Sean Kemp came up

1520
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 3: empty a lot, and I think the great one was

1521
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 3: Lebron James never never doing one.

1522
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 4: Because he didn't think he had a creative enough arsenal.

1523
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 3: Although if you go back to his McDonald's All American

1524
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 3: Contest whin he didn't have flair, but he jumped like

1525
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 3: off the ceiling. He was, you know, he's a freak.

1526
01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 3: So I think he could have won as well. But

1527
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 3: you know, it stopped being cool for stars to enter

1528
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 3: that because they didn't want to take the l It's

1529
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 3: really the modern day issue, you know. Back in the day,

1530
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 3: I mean TOMINIQ. Wilkins was doing it into his thirties

1531
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 3: because it was about you know, respect and no one

1532
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 3: wants to be looked at as a dunker anymore.

1533
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 1: All right, where are you? Where are you on Zach

1534
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:16,639
Speaker 1: Levine as a dunker?

1535
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 3: Fantastic, fantastic dunker.

1536
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 4: I'm glad he's actually become a complete player too.

1537
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 3: I'm getting back into the NBA scene, playing you know,

1538
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 3: video games with my kids. I'm deep in on Xbox

1539
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 3: One now, Luke, And I actually was wondering if you

1540
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 3: wanted to have a discussion about Mortal Combat Excel, because

1541
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 3: I play the crap out of that game.

1542
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:36,720
Speaker 1: It's a I didn't oversell that game. It is fantastic.

1543
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:38,519
Speaker 1: Who are your characters that you play with more?

1544
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 4: That's what I wanted to ask you.

1545
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:42,280
Speaker 3: Yes, So, look, I'm an old school Johnny Cage guy

1546
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 3: back from Sega Genesis and the arcade sucks at Roller Magic.

1547
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 3: I do like Johnny Cage now because look, he's kind

1548
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 3: of got the MMA vibe. He'll break bones when he

1549
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 3: goes for the big finish and stuff. But I found that,

1550
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:55,839
Speaker 3: you know, my kids are pretty good. Like I'm already

1551
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:57,840
Speaker 3: kind of becoming the old guy with a slower trigger

1552
01:08:57,880 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 3: finger now.

1553
01:08:58,720 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 4: And when I use this.

1554
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 3: Called kwan Chi, do you know this devil looking fellow.

1555
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 3: He looks like the inquisitor who is the bad guy

1556
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 3: in Star Wars Rebels.

1557
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 4: He's got a white head with some red paint on it.

1558
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 3: That guy can create like holes in the ground and

1559
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:15,240
Speaker 3: throw you in it. He is a bad mother effort.

1560
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:17,519
Speaker 3: That's the only guy I use that I can compete

1561
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:18,360
Speaker 3: against my kids with.

1562
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 1: Who's your guy? Uh? I used to be back in

1563
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 1: the day, a Baraka guy. I'm not a Baraka guy anymore.

1564
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 1: My guy right now in this game, I found I

1565
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 1: had a lot of success with Raiden. I know is

1566
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 1: the old school one and among the new school choices

1567
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:37,599
Speaker 1: because I tried out everybody. Surprisingly Spawn I get a

1568
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:41,600
Speaker 1: lot of fun and yeah spawn spawn has a surprising

1569
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:44,720
Speaker 1: amount of flexibility and use. That is though. Those are

1570
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 1: my two go to spawn and raidin.

1571
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 3: One of my sons is really good. He can use

1572
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:51,800
Speaker 3: all the mid size guys and destroy me. But I've

1573
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:54,599
Speaker 3: got a son who's a masher. He's like the John

1574
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 3: Lenneker of Mortal Kombat, and he uses that dude ferrator.

1575
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 4: You know, the big who has the little guy on

1576
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 4: top on his back.

1577
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know that guy.

1578
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 3: And he corners me against the wall and I, dude,

1579
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 3: I can't do anything against it. It pisss me the

1580
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 3: hell off. I have to throw the controller at the screen.

1581
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:12,479
Speaker 3: But uh, I'm in play.

1582
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 1: Did you play with the Terminator or Joker yet?

1583
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:15,680
Speaker 3: No?

1584
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 4: I didn't get there yet.

1585
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:19,519
Speaker 3: I didn't get Jason Voorhees unlocked yet or anything like that. Uh.

1586
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 3: Do you use that weird reptile looking guy? That guy's

1587
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 3: real good.

1588
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 1: Uh, I've played with everyone. I don't I think it

1589
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 1: is reptile. I don't think I've used him like routinely.

1590
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 1: I also am a bit of a not lu Kang

1591
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 1: Kung Lao. I like it. I like Kung Lao a

1592
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 1: little bit as well. I like some of the older

1593
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 1: ones that have just sort of like stood the test

1594
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:40,920
Speaker 1: of time. It's like a tuxedo BC. You don't have

1595
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 1: to you don't have to really change up a tuxedo.

1596
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:44,439
Speaker 1: It's just kind of classic, you know.

1597
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 3: I think Ken she might be pomp Upon the best

1598
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 3: guy there, hardest guy to beat. He's mid size, he's

1599
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 3: got the blindfold over his eyes, he's got the sword,

1600
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 3: he's got the combination of speeding part. Wow, we are

1601
01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:58,639
Speaker 3: already having this discussion. But I'm in on it. Okay,

1602
01:10:58,680 --> 01:10:59,599
Speaker 3: I'm in all right?

1603
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 1: Did you figure out if did any of our listeners

1604
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 1: email you or message you about whether we can play

1605
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 1: each other? Me on the PC on the Xbox I.

1606
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 3: I've I've crossed past the age where I can figure

1607
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 3: that out without you know, without uh. I would like

1608
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:14,240
Speaker 3: to hopefully we can. Okay, I can play on the

1609
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 3: Xbox Live. Let's do it, please? I don't know.

1610
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 4: Can those can those paths cross? Can we get it

1611
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 4: on the show?

1612
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 1: Luke?

1613
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 4: Can I play you on this show?

1614
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 1: I don't.

1615
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 3: Maybe we'll do it. Maybe we'll do an edition of

1616
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 3: m K edibles and we'll play each other in a

1617
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 3: championship round.

1618
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 1: All right, very good. By the way, I'm told that

1619
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 1: we have some viewer. What do we have?

1620
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:36,639
Speaker 3: Hey? Look, MK, extra is is Look, it's a little

1621
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 3: bit bare bones. We're giving you a bonus episode this

1622
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 3: week because UFC's going all out, but we're not going

1623
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 3: to have you seen this ship?

1624
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 4: But we'll have a special edition of h y T.

1625
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 3: Y S with some recently expert level fan art that

1626
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:52,120
Speaker 3: has been sent to us.

1627
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 4: You may have seen a couple of them retweeted out there.

1628
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 3: I just wanted to shout these jokers out because we

1629
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 3: have some of the most talented people in our stable

1630
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 3: of weird watchers and listeners. So, Jay Gaff, if you

1631
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 3: could begin this process of of us doing that, I mean, look,

1632
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:09,639
Speaker 3: this might be the this this might be the greatest

1633
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 3: of all time.

1634
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:11,160
Speaker 4: Can you read that handle?

1635
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 1: I cannot, can you, Jay?

1636
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:15,679
Speaker 4: Can you read that handle?

1637
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 1: Dominic? It's Dominic something. I forget his last name. I

1638
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 1: made this my wallpaper on my computer.

1639
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:26,880
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Jay, we're live here, Jay, just let you know. Okay,

1640
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 3: that's great, that's great. Well, hey, Dominic, with that, that

1641
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 3: might be the best I mean, that's Simpsons. You got

1642
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:34,799
Speaker 3: me with the uh with the Dedrick Tatum Mike Tyson

1643
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:37,559
Speaker 3: t shirt right there, a little bit of grip to

1644
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 3: grip the morning.

1645
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 4: No, you would you have the cannibal.

1646
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:42,639
Speaker 1: Corpse shirt on Cannibal Corpse? Yep?

1647
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 3: All right, I got that guy's name. One more second here,

1648
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 3: let's give him the love at dominic volando v E

1649
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 3: L A N d O on Instagram. So shout out

1650
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 3: to that. Hey, let's go to the next one here.

1651
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 3: You may have seen this. This also in the discussion

1652
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:57,719
Speaker 3: for best we've seen it could be a T shirt

1653
01:12:57,760 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 3: at this point.

1654
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 4: This is at our guy, right, the Greek god of

1655
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 4: well score.

1656
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 3: And thunder at web scream. Here are our buddy, Christophoros.

1657
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 3: That's that's about as good as it gets. Luke, have

1658
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 3: you seen that show?

1659
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 1: Have you seen that? That is? I showed that to

1660
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:14,800
Speaker 1: my wife and she was blown away. She's like, it

1661
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 1: took her a second, she had to look at my

1662
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 1: hands with the beer bottle to realize it wasn't me

1663
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:21,960
Speaker 1: because that is done. She's like, did you well here was?

1664
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 1: She asked. She's like, did you guys do a shoot

1665
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 1: like this? I said, no, we have a listener in

1666
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 1: Italy who made it? Can you believe that? Yeah?

1667
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 3: That's that is well done? There from the graphic designer Webscream.

1668
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:39,599
Speaker 3: Visit his ish and check out. This is probably my favorite, though.

1669
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:42,840
Speaker 3: The next one from a fellow named blaize Mma at

1670
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:46,640
Speaker 3: four twenty be respectful. He's getting all tiger king on

1671
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 3: us and as he tweeted, look at submissive producer Jay

1672
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:52,719
Speaker 3: coming in crotch eye on you there, Luke.

1673
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:57,599
Speaker 1: Well, I gotta tell you who has better teeth? Joe?

1674
01:13:58,000 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 1: Uh no, what was the who was the guy there?

1675
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 1: Who's Niel? And what was his name in the show?

1676
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 1: I forget his name? He had like six teeth and

1677
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:05,320
Speaker 1: they were all, you know.

1678
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:09,639
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, John something? Right, there was there was Travis

1679
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:12,800
Speaker 3: Maldonado who died. There was John Something. Then there was

1680
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 3: that new husband who's a little sketchy too.

1681
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, how about this guy who has a

1682
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 1: better smile? Toothless? Meth infused Joe exotic husband or Jay? Honestly,

1683
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go meth infused husband.

1684
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:27,600
Speaker 3: Look, if I didn't know any better, you know, I

1685
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:29,559
Speaker 3: haven't seen Jay with a shirt off, but I could

1686
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:31,879
Speaker 3: see him looking exactly like that, right, kneeling.

1687
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 4: You know what are you kneel and Bob?

1688
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 3: Or is that what you do?

1689
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 1: You know? Funnily enough, both this guy and Jay live

1690
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:42,719
Speaker 1: in a place with a AC unit in the window.

1691
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:46,080
Speaker 4: Dude, I live with an AC unit in the window.

1692
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:48,600
Speaker 1: Where are we going? I know in my office my

1693
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 1: wife has one too. I just like putting Jay on

1694
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 1: megatilt for it. That's it.

1695
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 3: Sorry, we all can't afford Central Air down there in DC. Luke, Okay,

1696
01:14:57,360 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 3: thank you very much.

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Speaker 4: So here's the deal. You tweeted out the breaking bad.

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01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:04,640
Speaker 3: One that web Scream created, or you put it on

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01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 3: good and you used a from the Wire quote, so

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01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:12,240
Speaker 3: Webscream came back with a second, helping Luke my favorite

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01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 3: Season two of the Wire down by the Docks.

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01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:18,320
Speaker 4: So what was the name of the family? Oh god,

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01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 4: I think your Nico. I'm Ziggy right there on the right.

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01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 1: Yes, that's right, I forget the name. By the way.

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01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:27,800
Speaker 1: This is also season two gets a shout out from

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01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:32,600
Speaker 1: reup Gang on scenario two thousand and eight. If the

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01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 1: album flop till the CASKI drop we the Wire season

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01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 1: two bitches back to the Docks.

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01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 3: That's what it's from my Instagram post fantastic. So here's

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01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:44,760
Speaker 3: the deal on the wire. We love that show. I

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01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 3: think it's the greatest show of all time. And season

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01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:49,479
Speaker 3: two is their best season. And I know it's trendy

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01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:52,559
Speaker 3: to one shit on season two or then realize you

1714
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:54,559
Speaker 3: were wrong the second watch and be like, no, season

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01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:56,799
Speaker 3: two is actually really good. It's the best season, dude,

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01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 3: I'm sorry it is. I love season four with the school, Okay.

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01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:03,320
Speaker 3: I love season three, the ending of the of the

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01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:07,639
Speaker 3: Avon and Stringer belt story. But uh yeah, season two

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01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:09,559
Speaker 3: is fantastic. And that's you and I right there, Luke.

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01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 3: You know I'm always you know, eventually we'll both die

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01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:14,599
Speaker 3: and lose our jobs, but hopefully won't be my fault.

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01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:15,599
Speaker 4: Let's move on here.

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01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:20,640
Speaker 3: This is from at Rodriguez, works on Instagram, works with

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01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:23,559
Speaker 3: a Z So Luke he this is his tribute to me.

1725
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:25,679
Speaker 3: Can I tell you a little bit about this character

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01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:26,160
Speaker 3: right here?

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01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 1: Yeah? Please?

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01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:29,440
Speaker 4: That's a that's a metal.

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01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:32,360
Speaker 3: Arm and leg. I'm written. I'm drawn like a nineties

1730
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 3: comic star. I have a machine gun, samurai sword and

1731
01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:40,040
Speaker 3: rocket launcher, a shitty nineties print tretch coat with excel

1732
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 3: plated pleated jeorts, and Grant Hill's Fela's with that awkward

1733
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:47,640
Speaker 3: blue line that goes all the way around. And if

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01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:50,040
Speaker 3: you notice the left hand of this gentleman is grip

1735
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 3: to grip through the through the zipper with a weapon

1736
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:53,800
Speaker 3: in his hand.

1737
01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:56,599
Speaker 4: That's creative right there.

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01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 1: That's well done. Pretty good, that's pretty good. This guy

1739
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:00,080
Speaker 1: must be our eight.

1740
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:02,840
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, shout out to that.

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01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 3: And our final one comes in from at Jonah Jape

1742
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:13,559
Speaker 3: on Instagram. You know sadly enough here, Luke, I, why

1743
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 3: does it look so natural my face on Fat Joe's body? Why?

1744
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:22,720
Speaker 1: Yeah? Who am I? Who did I take? U?

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01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 4: Is that the other dude? The are you? Are you

1746
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:26,160
Speaker 4: doing the rock away?

1747
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 1: There is this terror squad? Is that that's supposed to

1748
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 1: be your Fat Joe?

1749
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:34,280
Speaker 3: And I'm like one of maybe it's Alexander Hamilton.

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01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 1: Luke.

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01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:36,280
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm not I'm not up on this, but

1752
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 3: I I do appreciate the r and I do appreciate

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01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 3: the morning Combat shirt on the on the in the

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01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 3: black there though, So shout out to all of our people.

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01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 4: We we appreciate you.

1756
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:49,080
Speaker 3: We got we got some big ideas for merch, by

1757
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:50,760
Speaker 3: the way, for round two of merch. So I don't

1758
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:52,759
Speaker 3: know if any of these can make it, Luke. But uh,

1759
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:55,200
Speaker 3: or maybe we can recreate that cover of you know,

1760
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 3: you and I with the black thing across our eyes?

1761
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 3: Remember that one?

1762
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:03,639
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, the what was the movie the Parasite? Yes?

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01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:06,080
Speaker 3: Yes, sorry, I have no memory today. I stayed up

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01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:08,439
Speaker 3: late last night. Sorry, I'll be better next time.

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01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:10,479
Speaker 1: I see that. I see that. You know, usually you

1766
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 1: always come in hashtag fired up. Today you came in

1767
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:17,000
Speaker 1: hashtag a little farty, a little yeah, a little sad, and.

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01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:19,559
Speaker 3: This time my caffeine intake I should have considered.

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01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 3: All right, Well, Luke, you got anything else? I mean,

1771
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:24,280
Speaker 3: you know, I know you got another job, so you

1772
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:25,400
Speaker 3: know I can't go too long with you.

1773
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 4: But you got anything else?

1774
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:26,720
Speaker 3: No?

1775
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:28,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I do have the dissected episode. I have

1776
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:30,759
Speaker 1: to get it over to the folks at Malka today,

1777
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:32,559
Speaker 1: so it'll probably e to be out today or tomorrow morning.

1778
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 1: I keep getting delayed on it. But b C, I

1779
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:36,360
Speaker 1: have to tell you, that is the hardest one I've

1780
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 1: ever had to do. Folks always asked me whose game

1781
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:41,280
Speaker 1: is hard to break down? And you know, any kind

1782
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 1: of USC fighter is going to have a degreeved complexity

1783
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:46,719
Speaker 1: to it. Before it was Israel out of Sonya. Before

1784
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 1: that it was Max. The new one for me is Volkanovski.

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01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, dude, it is very hard there. It took

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01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:56,840
Speaker 1: a while. It took a while. Man. I thought I

1787
01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 1: would have this done by Sunday, and then every time

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01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 1: I watched, I'm like, oh, right, he's doing this, And

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01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:03,000
Speaker 1: then I would watch again, I'd be like, fuck, how

1790
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 1: did I not see that? And then again and again

1791
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:06,400
Speaker 1: and again and again, to the point where I like,

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01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:08,439
Speaker 1: now a little scared to put it out because I'm like,

1793
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 1: am I gonna miss something major that he has done?

1794
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:14,599
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. And then Max also

1795
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:17,680
Speaker 1: BC switched up his game a little bit too, so

1796
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:19,720
Speaker 1: I had to unravel all of that shit because it

1797
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:22,240
Speaker 1: wasn't like if you go from Max from the first

1798
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 1: Aldo fight to the second Aldo fight. There were changes,

1799
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:30,880
Speaker 1: but not crazy huge changes, some important ones, but not

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01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 1: like bah dude, between the first and second Volkanowski fight.

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01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:36,719
Speaker 1: It's you know, it was hard.

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01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 3: Nobody does it like Professor Salt and Pepper. So I

1803
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 3: hope everybody checks out. MK dissected, Luke, Mma, Man, Crush Monday,

1804
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:47,080
Speaker 3: Who's got it? Firmer right now? Me with Johanna or

1805
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 3: you with Eugene Barriman.

1806
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:52,720
Speaker 1: I get made fun of more for my affection for

1807
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:55,599
Speaker 1: city kickboxing, so it has to be me, right, I mean,

1808
01:19:56,240 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 1: because here's the thing, like, who outside of news Land

1809
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:05,840
Speaker 1: likes city kickboxing more than me? Right here? My point

1810
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 1: being is lots of you nerds like Joanna. You know

1811
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 1: you're not alone. I feel like I'm a little bit

1812
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:15,559
Speaker 1: of North American unicorn over here. Right, I am alone

1813
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 1: when I look.

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01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:17,600
Speaker 3: At the Instagram count. But yeah, yeah, I'm with you

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01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:19,800
Speaker 3: on that. All right, that's the fair, all right?

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01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 1: Well that in mind, as BC mentioned, made some photoshops

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01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 1: of us wearing MK merch. You can get your own.

1818
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 1: You can just go to store dot show. That's s

1819
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:30,760
Speaker 1: ho dot com. Tons of Morning Combat merch over there.

1820
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:32,200
Speaker 1: We got a whole bunch of stuff coming to by

1821
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:34,080
Speaker 1: the way, but the first line of it is there,

1822
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:38,040
Speaker 1: get the video, thumbs up, subscribe. We are back Monday. BC.

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01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 3: I hear and can confirm that it's very comfortable. Luke,

1824
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:43,679
Speaker 3: you know who was raving about that. You know, our

1825
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:46,960
Speaker 3: our mutual friend Chad Duke's a radio star in the

1826
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 3: DC areas producer man. He's loving our merch. Okay, loving it.

1827
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 3: So shot those fellows down there. Yeah, shout out to

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01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:55,439
Speaker 3: the guys on the fan down there.

1829
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:57,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. Brock Lesner, I used to work at the fan.

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01:20:57,160 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 1: Brock Lesner is a good dude. Okay. And then we're

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01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 1: back on Monday BC. I don't want to say anything.

1832
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:04,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to spoil it. I'm just gonna say

1833
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what's gonna happen on Saturday, but

1834
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:10,760
Speaker 1: I do know that Monday's Morning Combat is going to

1835
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:14,960
Speaker 1: be huge, big, big. It's not a show you want

1836
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 1: to miss. Just take our word for it. That's all

1837
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 1: We're gonna say.

1838
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:23,799
Speaker 3: Like Shack, you know, after hours, right, like little Shack. Sorry,

1839
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 3: after hours. It's gonna be big. It's gonna be very big. Okay.

1840
01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 3: You may run out of the.

1841
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 1: Room and screaming, screaming, all right. So for Brian Campbell,

1842
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:33,080
Speaker 1: I'm Luke Thomas. Oh, by the way, I don't forget.

1843
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:35,640
Speaker 1: We are on social media. You can go to the

1844
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 1: Morning Combat YouTube channel. We have a Morning Combat Instagram

1845
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:41,400
Speaker 1: just Morning Combat with a K. You can follow both

1846
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:43,680
Speaker 1: of us on Twitter as well as Instagram and beyond that.

1847
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 1: So until next time, appreciate y'all watching for Malka, for

1848
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:49,920
Speaker 1: showtime for Brian Campbell. I'm Luke Thomas. May all of

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01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:51,160
Speaker 1: your gains be loyal