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Speaker 1: Welcome to Off the Coup.

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Speaker 2: It's Christmas Eve, and I've been thinking a lot about

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Speaker 2: all of our Off the Cup episodes. I wanted to

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Speaker 2: share one that aired in twenty twenty four. I know

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Speaker 2: we've got a lot of new listeners this year. I'm

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Speaker 2: so grateful. So you might have missed this, but because

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Speaker 2: of the awful, tragic death of Rob Reiner, I've been

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Speaker 2: thinking about this particular episode a lot. It's a conversation

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Speaker 2: with my friend Larry Wilmore, and in it we talked

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Speaker 2: a lot about Rob Reiner and one of my favorite

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Speaker 2: of his movies, The American President. We talked a lot

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Speaker 2: about his dad, Carl Reiner, and one of Rob's best friends,

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Speaker 1: We had a really.

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Speaker 2: Good conversation about a lot of things, but it just

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Speaker 2: so happened the Reiner's figured prominently, and I'm thinking a

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Speaker 2: lot about Rob and his movies. I know a lot

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Speaker 2: of other people have been too. I saw that our

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Speaker 2: friend Stephen Webber just posted that he watched stand By

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Speaker 2: Me for the first time, and I've gone back to rewatch.

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Speaker 2: You know some favorites like when Harry met Sally and

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Speaker 2: The Princess Bride, and a few good men. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Rob Briner had so many, so many great movies. It's

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Speaker 2: just kind of comforting to go back and listen to

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Speaker 2: this conversation with someone who knew him. So I really

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Speaker 2: liked it. I hope you like it too. I thought

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Speaker 2: a good sort of entry into the holiday season. And

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Speaker 2: then don't forget on New Year's Eve. We also have

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Speaker 2: a very.

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Speaker 1: Special off the Cup.

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Speaker 3: It's a compilation of.

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Speaker 2: Our favorite answers to the time honored question when is

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Speaker 2: it ice coffee season? You don't want him ass that.

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Speaker 2: It's really fun. It's super entertaining to hear the multither.

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Speaker 2: So check that out too, and uh, listen, I'll see

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Speaker 2: you in twenty twenty six. Let's let's hope for a

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Speaker 2: better year than twenty twenty five. Okay, now go enjoy

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Speaker 2: your families.

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Speaker 4: Oh is success gonna give you a big head? I'm like,

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Speaker 4: I'm fifty two. Success had his chance when I was younger.

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Speaker 4: You know, Sorry, Success, you're a little too late, you know.

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Speaker 2: So you know, I meet a lot of people in

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Speaker 2: this business, including people you never expect to. I've done

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Speaker 2: TV with everyone from RuPaul to Newt Gingrich, from Zach

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Speaker 2: Gallifanakis to David Milliband. It's it's a weird career. And

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Speaker 2: I know a lot of smart people. I know a

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Speaker 2: lot of funny people. I know some kind people. I

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Speaker 2: don't know many who are all three. But I was

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Speaker 2: lucky enough to work with my next guest several times,

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Speaker 2: I think, but most notably for me when I was

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Speaker 2: a guest on his own talk show and I had

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Speaker 2: just had my son, Jack and it was one of

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Speaker 2: the first return TV appearances for me, and I was feeling,

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Speaker 2: you know, a little vulnerable, a little insecure about my body,

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Speaker 2: and this person just could not have been nicer, putting

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Speaker 2: me at ease, making me feel like I could just

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Speaker 2: get back in the saddle.

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Speaker 1: I'll never forget that, because he didn't have to be.

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Speaker 2: You might know him as the one time senior Black

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Speaker 2: correspondent on The Daily Show. He was host of the

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Speaker 2: Nightly Show with Larry Wilmore, That'll Give It Away, creator

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Speaker 2: of The Bernie Mac Show, co creator of Insecure on HBO.

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Speaker 2: I Love that show, host of the Black on the

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Speaker 2: Air podcast, and so so so much more.

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Speaker 1: It's Larry Willmore welcome, Hey it say.

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Speaker 4: It's such a nice intro. That's so nice.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember that, but I remember that, Si.

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Speaker 4: I was a fan of yours for a long time.

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Speaker 4: I admire you because you were a conservative in those

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Speaker 4: liberal spaces, you know. Yeah, and you never shied down,

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Speaker 4: you know, but you were always so just quick and

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Speaker 4: smart and funny. You know, you had a light approach.

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Speaker 4: You never liked put people down. So I always I

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Speaker 4: admired you from afar way before that. You were on

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Speaker 4: my show and I was I was so excited when

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Speaker 4: a big fan. So that's a big memory.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, that's really nice.

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Speaker 2: I feel like you had to say that because I

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Speaker 2: just said all those nice things about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, sure, Well it's mutual.

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Speaker 2: I just I think I think the world of view

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Speaker 2: and I was a fan as well.

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Speaker 1: It feels like everything.

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Speaker 2: Has changed so much since that time in twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 2: Like everything's changed, media, politics, doesn't it?

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Speaker 4: Oh thousand percent? You know. It's funny. The American President

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Speaker 4: was on TV the other day, you know, the Aaron

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Speaker 4: Sarkin thing from the nineties. Oh, I love that, and

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Speaker 4: I think I haven't seen it since it came out. Actually,

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Speaker 4: it wasn't one of those it wasn't a repeated viewing

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Speaker 4: but oh my god, the time and this is fiction,

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Speaker 4: of course, yeah, but at the time it kind of

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Speaker 4: mirrored what was about to happen with the Monica Lewinsky things. Scanna,

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Speaker 4: but this is more chaste. It's just a bachelor president

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Speaker 5: If I were on your staff, I would tell you

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Speaker 5: that the absolute worst thing you can do coming into

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Speaker 5: an election year is to open yourself up to character attacks.

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Speaker 5: And the quickest way to do that is to prance

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Speaker 4: But the things we considered scandalous back then for politics,

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Speaker 4: you can't even I mean, Trump in one sentence blows

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Speaker 4: The world has changed so much in that short amount

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Speaker 2: You know, it's funny you brought that up because I

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Speaker 2: should get erin on the podcast, because I consulted for

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Speaker 2: his show, The Newsroom and got to know him then.

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Speaker 2: And then I guest lecture a class called Politics and

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Speaker 2: Movies at Cornell once a year, and I always show

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Speaker 2: the American President and I always have aarin give me

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Speaker 3: He always leads with apologies.

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Speaker 2: I was young, yeah, and I'm like, Aaron, No, it's

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Speaker 1: It's very capra, it's very you know, Collyanna.

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Speaker 2: And he's like embarrassed by it because it was so

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Speaker 4: Good person, you know, Yeah, mister Smith is already in Washington.

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Speaker 4: Was that that is exactly And it's kind of a

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Speaker 2: And so he thought, well, I'll do it in the

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Speaker 4: Up, because when you think of romantic places, you think

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Speaker 4: of the way the White House.

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Speaker 1: The White House.

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Speaker 2: We don't get too politic on the show because this

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Speaker 2: is supposed to be a brick from all of that anxiety,

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Speaker 2: but do you think things media politics right we'll ever

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Speaker 4: Absolutely not. I think things never reset. They just go

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Speaker 4: could never predict it, and that becomes the norm, you know.

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Speaker 4: But I don't think there's ever been a point in

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Speaker 4: But it doesn't mean necessarily that it'll be a bad place,

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Speaker 4: because many times I think young people reset against whatever

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Speaker 4: But they do it in different ways, you know, which

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Speaker 4: But yeah, this call for things to go back, it's

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Speaker 4: it's never going to happen. I don't know why people

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Speaker 3: I think part of me at least wishes.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you feel this way, but there

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Speaker 2: Involved the Daily Show, but it also just it was

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Speaker 3: That's just a fact.

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Speaker 4: amazing long run of doing that. Oh totally, it's crazy.

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Speaker 3: What happened to Funnier Die. Wasn't Funnier Die going to

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Speaker 4: I think so? But I, you know what, that's a

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Speaker 4: you know so, I think it's hard to manufacture viral videos.

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Speaker 4: TikTok is smart because it's that you can just make

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Speaker 4: your vil video on our platform. We're not going to

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Speaker 3: You know, I remember that because I develop as well.

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Speaker 2: And I remember being in a meeting years ago and

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Speaker 3: And I was like, remember how to create this.

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Speaker 4: Way exactly exactly where? And the actual content that they're

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Speaker 4: Okay. So when I was a young comic, they had

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Speaker 4: And he was so nice, like, oh, hey, how you

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Speaker 4: Larry, that's hilarious.

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Speaker 4: of a cop. They just gave me the role because

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00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,760
Speaker 4: they just liked me. Yeah, and uh, Officer Ziyakis, I

436
00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,320
Speaker 4: think was the name exactly what just the graffiti saying it.

437
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,919
Speaker 5: Says, uh, yeah, I can't.

438
00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,960
Speaker 4: Say it, missus Garrett. I've been a police officer for

439
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,320
Speaker 4: three years, and before that I was a kid. I've

440
00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:58,480
Speaker 4: heard just about everything.

441
00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:00,520
Speaker 3: It was recorded, right.

442
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,159
Speaker 4: Yeah. I played a couple of episodes and it was

443
00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 4: so surreal because it was shot on the Universal Lot,

444
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:07,359
Speaker 4: and I used to sneak on that lot as a

445
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,400
Speaker 4: you know, dreaming of being you know, part of it.

446
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,720
Speaker 4: And I remember sneaking into the Alfred Hitchcock Theater and

447
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,240
Speaker 4: I'm watching them edit films. I'd be in the book,

448
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,760
Speaker 4: you know, scared that I'm out. Yeah, my friend and

449
00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,359
Speaker 4: I we would go into the dining room. We dined

450
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,280
Speaker 4: and dashed a couple of dames. That's so great, this

451
00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 4: is the life. I really was the kid who dreamed

452
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 4: of being on there, and so they'll actually be on

453
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,440
Speaker 4: a show. I'll never forget. I had a dressing room.

454
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 4: It was like in a trailer outside and I saw

455
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 4: the tram go by that I used to be on,

456
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 4: and I want to kind of wave and do the moment.

457
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 3: How old were you?

458
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:44,400
Speaker 4: I was in my early twenties, twenty one, twenty two

459
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,359
Speaker 4: something like that. And I'll never forget. Tony Danza came

460
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,119
Speaker 4: by and they all knew who he was, and he

461
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:51,919
Speaker 4: was like, Yeah, I'm doing this new show. We just

462
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,960
Speaker 4: did the pilot over there. Yeah, and that was Who's

463
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 4: the Boss That turned out to be you know, of course,

464
00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 4: and it was so close. They were doing the Jefferson's

465
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,200
Speaker 4: right down the home. It was such a children thing.

466
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 4: But the girls on the show were really nice, really

467
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 4: really nice. Yeah, and Charlotte Ray played Miss Garrett. I

468
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 4: was already a fan of hers, such a pro she

469
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:10,879
Speaker 4: was so nice. But it was fun.

470
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 1: Could you tell?

471
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 3: Because Kim Fields sort of had a similar trajectory.

472
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 4: She ended up.

473
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 3: Writing, she ended up show running, she ended up at

474
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:18,159
Speaker 3: movies like she.

475
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,920
Speaker 2: Does a lot more, yeah than you know that sitcom?

476
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 2: Could you tell at the time that Kim Fields was

477
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 2: going to be not just a star of a sitcom,

478
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 2: but like that, she was a real smart writer, producer,

479
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:31,399
Speaker 2: et cetera.

480
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know if I could tell that, but

481
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 4: her mom, Chip Fields, was I think a manager at

482
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 4: the time. So Kim's got that in her of there's

483
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 4: more than just what you're doing. Yeah, you know, so

484
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,160
Speaker 4: it doesn't surprise me. She was one of the most

485
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 4: likable ones on that cast. I think the audience loved

486
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,360
Speaker 4: Kim Fields. You know, she was so too.

487
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 3: I mean even the name right, like skates, I mean,

488
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:55,880
Speaker 3: all of it.

489
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:56,120
Speaker 1: Love.

490
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 4: I would see her years later and I just played

491
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 4: a small part and she always remember but she was

492
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 4: always so nice and lovely. Yeah, couldn't. I was like, man,

493
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 4: she's so nice and she kind of has that reputation.

494
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,160
Speaker 4: It's funny, you know, we always say the stories about

495
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,120
Speaker 4: people being this and that, but I tell you that

496
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 4: cast was just great, just really nice people. It wasn't

497
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 4: like one of those nasty situation type things. Yes, it's fun.

498
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 4: That was That's my break.

499
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 2: You also wrote for Fresh Prince of bel Air, which

500
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 2: was also very important to me as.

501
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 4: As a child. I only write shows that important to you.

502
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 3: Well, obviously, clearly, what was Will Smith like then.

503
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 4: Okay, Will Smith another great guy. He was very approachable.

504
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 4: He wasn't standoffish. I was there the last season, so

505
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 4: I wasn't there in some of the early seasons. But

506
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 4: they were very tight group.

507
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 3: I mean the last season. He was a big star.

508
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 4: He well, he hadn't quite broken out as a movie

509
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 4: star yet. Yeah, he was about to.

510
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 3: You know, he was like the biggest thing on TV.

511
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 4: He was, he was, he was pretty big, you know.

512
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 4: But it's funny that there is that difference when you

513
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,719
Speaker 4: go up that next next step, like Michael J. Fox,

514
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 4: who I got to me years ago, you know, before

515
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 4: he was a big star, but family ties made him

516
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 4: a TV star, but it was back to the future

517
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 4: that really made him a whole different category, you know, totally.

518
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 4: And the same with Will with Men in Black, it

519
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 4: just put him in a just different category than fresh Prince.

520
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 4: But fresh Prince for us, you know, it was all

521
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 4: that and everything, but really cool. I still talked to

522
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 4: Will this day. He used to call me up over

523
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 4: the years and I'd come in and help them pilots

524
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 4: punch up that kind of stuff. Yeah. But we did

525
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 4: a special called a mend a docu saries on Netflix

526
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 4: about the Fourteenth Amendment that Will hosted and I produced

527
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 4: and I appeared on. It was great working with him,

528
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 4: and so that was a nice full circle moment.

529
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: What did you think of the slat.

530
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 4: It was very I thought it was very surreal.

531
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:46,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

532
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 4: To me, it seemed like Will had an out of

533
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 4: body experience. It seemed like, I know, there's no way

534
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 4: if he had to do it again, he'd do the

535
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 4: same thing. That's one of those things. I'm sure he'd say.

536
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 3: No, like, that was not the Will Smith.

537
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,640
Speaker 4: You knew, absolutely not. Yeah, you know, so I don't

538
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 4: know what was going on personally or whatever. I have

539
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 4: no idea, but it was so out of character. And

540
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 4: he's very aware. Will knows he's very aware of what

541
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 4: Hollywood is, how meaningful it is. He's very aware of

542
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 4: the history, the legacies, protecting your legacy, like he Tom Cruise,

543
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 4: those type of people, they always seem to protect their

544
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 4: legacies so so much. You could tell the people that

545
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 4: do that, right, those big starts. So yes, why would

546
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 4: Will Smith do that? It seems so out of character.

547
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 4: It had to have been some out of body experience

548
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 4: where he just left himself for a second and forgot

549
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 4: about that. Because somebody of that stature just doesn't make sense, you.

550
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: Know, it really didn't.

551
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 2: I mean from a pr point of view, or a

552
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 2: really any point of view, it really didn't make sense.

553
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,360
Speaker 4: There's no point of view it makes sense. And Chris

554
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 4: Rock's a comedian. You know, he's a comedian. You know

555
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 4: he's making jokes. Yeah, you know he's going to make

556
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 4: jokes that are going to be off color, that type

557
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 4: of things. But that's why he's Chris Rock. That's why

558
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 4: we love him. So yeah, you know, and if you

559
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 4: have a real beef with him, you have it afterwards.

560
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 4: You know, you don't have it like that.

561
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, can Can I get personal with you?

562
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 4: Yeah? Absolutely?

563
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 2: But you want to know, girl, how did you meet

564
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 2: your ex wife?

565
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 4: I met my ex wife through a blind date set

566
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 4: up by a dear friend of mine who's still a differend.

567
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:36,640
Speaker 4: And we went out briefly and then we didn't date,

568
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 4: and then I called her out a year later, and

569
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 4: then we went out like one and then I called

570
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 4: her a year later again. It was like a start

571
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,479
Speaker 4: and stop type of thing. Okay, yeah, and then we

572
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 4: I remember we ended up just talking on the phone

573
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 4: every day and just realized just how much we just

574
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 4: had in common and liked each other, and we just

575
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 4: got to do each other and that's pretty much how

576
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 4: it happen.

577
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 3: She was in the business as well.

578
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, she was an actress. She did a lot

579
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 4: of stage work. She was from Hawaii. Her name is Leilani,

580
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 4: and she wanted Tony on Broadway. I'm very talented, and

581
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 4: she was. You know. She did a ton of voiceover work,

582
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 4: which I think she still does some of the commercials

583
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 4: and that kind of stuff. She was the voice of

584
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 4: Pacific Telesis. It is one of those things. She was

585
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 4: one of those Pine Salt ladies, you know, was one

586
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 4: of those if you look back, you go, oh, I

587
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 4: remember her. Yeah, she's a Pine sal lady, And yeah,

588
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 4: it's one of those things. I met her at a

589
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 4: time in my life where I had dated enough where

590
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 4: I knew whatever I was doing was not working okay,

591
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 4: you know, and so I decided to do it differently,

592
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 4: consciously with her, and I decided to just be friends

593
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 4: and get to know somebody because I just had no

594
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 4: skills in the relationship department. And see, I just didn't

595
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 4: know what I was doing, and I had very low

596
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 4: self esteem with that I was a very shy growing

597
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 4: up when came to girls. But having someone who basically

598
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 4: was a friend, you know, really made that And I

599
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 4: tell you when we had problems later on. We eventually divorced,

600
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 4: But I'm not talking on a turn. She had some

601
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 4: issues with depression, and I think a lot of it

602
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 4: was related to our son was diagnosed with autism. He

603
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 4: had Asperger's and I think she took it very personally.

604
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 4: She had a lot of postpartum things and it was

605
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 4: a very deep emotional thing for her, and it's hard

606
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 4: as a partner sometimes hard to penetrate someone else's thing.

607
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 4: It's a deep you know. So when she got on

608
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 4: some medication, you know, we really couldn't work on our

609
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 4: marriage at that point because it just wasn't fair somebody

610
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 4: just going through that. But because this is just from

611
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:45,719
Speaker 4: my point of view, of course, I think we had

612
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 4: done so much work in the friend category at the

613
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 4: beginning of our relationship. I was there for her as

614
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 4: a friend first of all. You know, some of course

615
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 4: someone you love and you care about. But like I

616
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 4: threw that out of my mind the problems that we

617
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 4: were having during that time and focused on the fact

618
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 4: that this is someone in your life that you care

619
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 4: deeply about, yeah, and you have to be there to

620
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 4: support them and that kind of stuff. And it was

621
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 4: really good, you know. It was one of those I

622
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 4: value that. That's how our relationships started. And even now

623
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 4: we still talk, you know, because we have two kids

624
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 4: of course, yep. And I just saw her sister and

625
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 4: her husband, my daughter's doing a show a regional theater

626
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 4: right now, and we were all hugging everything. Oh, it's

627
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 4: so good to see and I was like, I felt

628
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 4: so lucky that her family is still my family in

629
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 4: my mind and would be all that love and bond

630
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 4: is still there. And I know it's because of the

631
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 4: way that it started. There was that deep friendship, respect

632
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 4: for that seeing the other person as a person, you know,

633
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 4: it was such a big lesson in relationships for me

634
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 4: at the time.

635
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 2: Well, I love that, and it's so what you said

636
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 2: just really resonated. I a few years ago had a

637
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: bit of a nervous breakdown and began working on my

638
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 2: mental health. I struggled from severe anxiety and for this time,

639
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 2: when it was really rough, everything stopped and my family

640
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 2: got real small, and this was all that mattered, right,

641
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 2: getting me better, and I was able to put like

642
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 2: work aside and all the other things stopped. And it

643
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 2: was in a way, I mean, it was very difficult,

644
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 2: but it was in a way very nice to have

645
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 2: this one focus as a family. And then, of course,

646
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 2: as I started working on my mental health and getting better,

647
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 2: everything else comes right back right, every problem you had

648
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 2: and every reality comes back. But for that time, you

649
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 2: really know who is there for you in those moments,

650
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 2: who will drop everything to focus on the one thing

651
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 2: that matters the most in that moment, and everything else

652
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 2: can wait. What kind of parents were you? What kind

653
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:53,959
Speaker 2: of dad were you when they were young? What kind

654
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 2: of dad are you?

655
00:30:54,520 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 4: Now, that's a great question. I know my wife was

656
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 4: more of the I wouldn't say disciplinarian, because we both

657
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 4: were that in certain ways, but maybe we traded roles

658
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 4: or that type of thing. But I was affirmed. But

659
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 4: I was a fun dad too, you know. I always

660
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 4: like to bring excitement and you know, pass on the

661
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 4: joy of things to the kids and stuff. We all

662
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 4: laughed a lot, you know, that sort of thing. But

663
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 4: it was the one of the funnest roles was being

664
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 4: the heavy when I had to, you know, it was

665
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 4: fun so oh my god, because when kids are little,

666
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 4: you know, this is see they're so hilarious, yes, you know,

667
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 4: like and the thing is, this is why it so

668
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 4: irks me when I see parents that don't discipline their children,

669
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 4: you know, because I'm like, this is the time when

670
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,239
Speaker 4: you can do it when they're small. You're not. If

671
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 4: you don't do it now, good luck later, because you know,

672
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 4: you're just gonna release this monster into the world, you know.

673
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 4: But uh so, like the one thing, like, you know,

674
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 4: you can't really spanker kids type of thing, but in public,

675
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 4: like I would pinch them. Sometimes they didn't and I

676
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 4: look them in the eye because nobody can see you pinching.

677
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 4: They're like oh, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, we're not

678
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 4: gonna do that anywhere, no, you know, you know. But

679
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 4: my kids had a good sense of what's right and

680
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 4: what's wrong. So if they did something wrong that was

681
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 4: really bad, my wife would send them to me in

682
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 4: the den and that's in there, and they come in.

683
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 4: I'll say everything it's I mean, it's so adorable, yah,

684
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 4: you know, and I would just say, okay, tell me

685
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 4: what happened, you know, Oh, John, did m were you

686
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 4: right or were you wrong. What we I was wrong? Okay,

687
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 4: all right, well what do you need? What do you

688
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 4: need to do? You know, tell them I'm sorry, okay,

689
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 4: all right. You know we did talk about what's the

690
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 4: right thing to do, what's the wrong thing. I always

691
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 4: tried to use language properly with my kids, Like we

692
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 4: would go to church, my wife saying in the in

693
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 4: the choir at Saint Charles Borromeo, Paul Solomonovich is this

694
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 4: great choir director. They sang for the Pope and all

695
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 4: kinds of it was legendary choir, and she she has

696
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 4: beautiful she's saying in that choir. If we were in church,

697
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 4: I would never tell the kids to be quiet in church, okay,

698
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 4: never said that. I would say show respect.

699
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay.

700
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 4: Because I wanted them to learn the distinction and behavior.

701
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 4: You know, quiet you're not really doing anything. But if

702
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 4: you're showing respect, that's active, you know.

703
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so good.

704
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, being quiet is more passive, but showing respect they

705
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 4: have to actively do that, so and.

706
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 2: Be quiet sounds like a punishment, which it does. And

707
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 2: be respectful as not.

708
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 4: And they're more in control of being respectful.

709
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

710
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 4: You know. Also, if they know the distinction. They know

711
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 4: that quiet to me has a time limit to it,

712
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 4: but respect doesn't.

713
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

714
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, So just having distinctions with them and using language

715
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 4: carefully and that type of thing. I was always aware

716
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 4: of the language that I use with the kids, And

717
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 4: when they got a little older, we would have great

718
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 4: conversations stuff like that. And I remember having one with

719
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 4: my daughter and she goes, oh, Dad, I wish you

720
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 4: could my kids. And I said, what do you think

721
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 4: I'm doing now? She goes, oh, you know, like so

722
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 4: we used to have that type of stuff. But I

723
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 4: really enjoyed the conversations we'd have. We'd have philosophical conversations,

724
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 4: fun conversations, things like that. So we and they're very

725
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 4: close to their mom in that way too, you know. Yeah,

726
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 4: we all have that type of type of relationship, which

727
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 4: is great. Although my son talks to her way more.

728
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 4: I have to get things out of him, like she'll

729
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 4: call me. Said to John, tell you he's tying, and said, no,

730
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 4: he never talks to me. He tells you everything, you know,

731
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 4: So they have like this secret relationship. I don't know where.

732
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 4: She gets to know.

733
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 1: Everything as we do we do with our boys.

734
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 3: We do.

735
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 4: She gets to know things months before I even know

736
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 4: that's the things. Yeah, so there you go.

737
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 2: So then in twenty fifteen, tell me if I'm wrong,

738
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 2: you have to move for work? You moved to New

739
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 2: York right for the night they show? What was that

740
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 2: like on your family?

741
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,720
Speaker 4: That was tough because we were going through a breakup

742
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 4: at that time, So those things are happening at the

743
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 4: same time. We have been in marriage counseling for almost

744
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 4: eight or nine years. For a long time. No, we

745
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 4: worked on it for a long time. Yeah, it had

746
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 4: reached its its end, I guess you could say, but

747
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 4: it was unfortunate timing. So it's a bit of a strain.

748
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 4: But you know, real tough of me because I'm missing

749
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 4: my family and all that stuff. And then your second guess,

750
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 4: am I doing the right thing? Blah blah blah. So

751
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 4: when I was doing the Night the show, I was

752
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 4: going through all that, especially in the first year, it

753
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 4: was very, very difficult and feeling very alone there in

754
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 4: New York too, you.

755
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 2: Know, And was this your big like, did you feel

756
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 2: the weight of this show, the pressure of this show,

757
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 2: your name's on it? You know, was that daunting to

758
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 2: you or had you already done so much that you

759
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,439
Speaker 2: were just like, I'm ready.

760
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 4: Yeah. I used to joke with people, I said, is

761
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 4: success gonna give you a big head? I'm like, I'm

762
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 4: fifty two. Success had its chance when I was younger.

763
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 4: You know, Sorry, success, You're a little too late, you know, like, sorry,

764
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 4: I'm going through a divorce this. You know, I got

765
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 4: success your way, But you hear so far in back

766
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 4: of the line, you know. In fact, some of it

767
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 4: I kind of resented because I loved being successful and anonymous.

768
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 4: It was great, you know, but losing anonymity is not fun,

769
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 4: you know, And and it was a little too much attention.

770
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 4: Like I don't I'm not a performer for the attention.

771
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 4: I'm a performer for the expression. So it's even when

772
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 4: I did stand up, you know, I love doing it,

773
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 4: but after the show I wouldn't hang around, you know,

774
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 4: the audience or that type of thing. So I was

775
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 4: always shy because I was shy growing up and stuff.

776
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 4: But I love performing, but I do it for the

777
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 4: expression of it. I love figuring out the joke and

778
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 4: then seeing if it works yeah yeah, and then if

779
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 4: it works, hey I did it, you know. But some

780
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 4: people do it for the attention. They need the laughs

781
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 4: to validate them. For me, I want the laughs to

782
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 4: validate the joke, you know, not to validate me. So

783
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 4: my friends and family there to validate me, you know,

784
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 4: and all that stuff. So luckily I got there, or unluckily.

785
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 4: So when the nightly show like I'm on billboards, some

786
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 4: taxicabs are going by. It was way too much, I see.

787
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 4: I'll be honest with you, it was. I was a

788
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 4: good God, no wonder people turn into monsters who nobody

789
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 4: should have this much attention. That's what I was thinking

790
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 4: at the time. You know, some of it was flattering,

791
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 4: but honestly, it was too much. I just I always

792
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 4: felt it was too much. Anytime I see a poster

793
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 4: in my big head on it, I'm like, that head

794
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 4: is huge. Nobody needs their big head on a thing

795
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 4: like this. I'm like, So I was kind of like

796
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 4: even when my show went away, I was sad that

797
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 4: it went away, but I wasn't really. It was kind

798
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 4: of a relief.

799
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 3: There was some upside.

800
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was a bit that was that was too

801
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 4: much for me as a person, not as a performer,

802
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 4: but as a person.

803
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: I get that.

804
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And.

805
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:39,720
Speaker 1: I've heard you talk.

806
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 2: About work and you know, how in some ways you

807
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: don't feel like you've ever worked, because you know you've

808
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 2: gotten to do so much of what you've loved. But

809
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 2: where in the universe of your life, where do you

810
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 2: put work? With family, you know, all the things? Where's

811
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 2: work for you? For some people it's really like the

812
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 2: central part of their life, right, where is it for you?

813
00:37:59,640 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 1: Well?

814
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 4: For me, you're right, because I don't consider it work

815
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 4: because I divorced that concept years ago. I wrote an

816
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 4: essay on LinkedIn years ago about deciding to give that

817
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 4: up when I was selling bookstore to or in college

818
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 4: and I went into many people's homes and just saw

819
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 4: people felt trapped in things, and I decided to choose

820
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 4: a path, you know, that would kind of bring me fulfillment.

821
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 4: And I saw what I was doing for a living

822
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 4: is just kind of walking down this path, and that

823
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 4: success was where I started, not where I ended, and

824
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 4: showbiz was just different examples of that success as opposed

825
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,720
Speaker 4: to a road to success, you know. So I've always

826
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 4: viewed work as the kind of a means to have

827
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 4: expression in that sort of thing. So it's never been

828
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 4: a burden on me. You know, it's a burden in

829
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 4: other ways. You know the physicality of it all, having

830
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 4: the righting things like that. But I'm very lucky in

831
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 4: the fact that, you know, the thing that I do

832
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 4: is my expression, you know, and so and I'm driven

833
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 4: in that way more so than like I'm not competitive

834
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 4: with other people. I'm competitive with myself, you know. So

835
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 4: I want to be, you know, the best in that way.

836
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 4: But I don't have any demons associated with it that

837
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 4: other than my procrastination demons like I have like so

838
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 4: many different levels of procrastination. It's crazy, you know, Like

839
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 4: I have ways to procrastinate my procrastinating, you know, true,

840
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 4: because because they're categories like they're the worst is productive

841
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 4: procrastination because you're actually getting things done, but it's really procrastinating,

842
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 4: you know. So well, I got to clean my office, No,

843
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 4: you have to write that scriptularry.

844
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 2: It's productive procrastination, right right, exactly.

845
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 5: So.

846
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 4: But here's the thing. So when I've talked to I've

847
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 4: done a lot of electroniccologists and that type of stuff.

848
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 4: One of my talk to kids, I never encourage them

849
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 4: to follow their dreams as a job or to have

850
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 4: to do for their job, even what is their passion.

851
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 4: I said, you don't have to do that, because sometimes

852
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 4: your passion can't make you any money. You know, you

853
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 4: have to make a living. Yeah, So sometimes choose something

854
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 4: that you're just good at, buying something that you're good at.

855
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 4: You don't have to be passionate about it. But something

856
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 4: that you're good at you could be productive at and

857
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 4: it can make money for you. And then keep your

858
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 4: passion as your hobby. Yeah, because that's expression. That's the

859
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 4: thing that's that. Look for that. Look for hobby, family

860
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 4: friends for your happiness quotion, and look for work for

861
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 4: your productivity. If happiness comes out of that bonus round right, right,

862
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 4: But don't look for work for happy you know, because

863
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 4: you're you're gonna be very disappointed in that. You know.

864
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 4: So I've never luckily, that's never been my happy place.

865
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 4: It's my fun place, but my happy place. If you

866
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 4: told me, strip away everything, what are you left with? Father?

867
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 4: That's it. One word, it's the only word that really

868
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 4: matters to me, is father.

869
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, same, I feel the same.

870
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 4: All of it could go away, you know what I mean?

871
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 4: You know completely, that's the that's the identity. Not writer,

872
00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 4: not comedian enough this you know. Yeah, really it's a

873
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 4: thing that brings. It's the thing where my happiness really

874
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 4: is in that.

875
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: Yes, No, I completely agree and get that.

876
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 2: When when you first had kids, though, did you feel

877
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 2: becoming a father threatened your identity as a comedian a writer.

878
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 4: Up, It wasn't even related to it and didn't do.

879
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 4: It was just its own thing. I call kids a

880
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 4: blessed inconvenience is my name for CHICU. That's what they are.

881
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: You're very inconvenient.

882
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like thank you God, you know, thank you?

883
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 4: All right, Okay, freedom, yes exactly, But the cost of

884
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:47,240
Speaker 4: the benefit of that loss of freedom is happiness, everything.

885
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: It's everything.

886
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 4: It's everything exactly. So no, I never connected those you know.

887
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 4: In fact, if anything, I was worried that work would

888
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 4: get in the way of that. And in fact, I

889
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 4: remember looking at pictures of my wife with the kids,

890
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 4: like on some day and I'm like, where was imes?

891
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 4: Like you read work, ass you missed all that? Sorry

892
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 4: for the language here, but I'm like, how do I

893
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 4: miss those days? I miss so many days? I see,

894
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 4: like when my kids were little, it's when I was

895
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 4: working the most hours. Yeah, because I was at the

896
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 4: most productive time of my life during that period, you know,

897
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 4: And that's you. But you know there's all those trade

898
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 4: offs in your life.

899
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's no right answer.

900
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: I mean I constantly doing that in my mind too,

901
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 2: the guilt of life.

902
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 3: I'm working my ass off right now.

903
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 2: But it's for him, it's you know, and for me,

904
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 2: and that makes me a better mom being.

905
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 3: You know, it's these circular conversations like co.

906
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 4: Come, you're never hears it. I'm working for your Yeah.

907
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 3: It's true. It's tough. Okay, I want to do a

908
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 3: sort of a lightning round. I think you might have

909
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 3: already said this, but ok who's the funniest person you know?

910
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 4: The funniest person I know personally? Yeah, the funniest person

911
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 4: I know personally. Unfortunately I lost a couple years ago

912
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 4: as my brother Mark. Okay, Mark was so funny, and

913
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 4: Mark could make himself look like people. I mean when

914
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 4: we were kids, he could do his face like Milton Burrel.

915
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 4: He just goes, you know, it's just like it just transformed,

916
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 4: like he could do anybody. But Mark was so deeply funny,

917
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 4: and anybody that knew him thought the same thing.

918
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: So, my little Burrow, Who's the funniest person that I

919
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: would know?

920
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 4: There's several people in that category, and there's different ways

921
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 4: in which they are funny. I've been so fortunate because

922
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 4: I've worked with some really funny people. Eddie Murphy let

923
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 4: me tell you, Oh my god. I mean as a performer,

924
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,439
Speaker 4: Eddie's very quiet personally, but as a performer, I mean,

925
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 4: you just cannot stop laughing. He's just so just so

926
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 4: raw funny. Bernie Mack was really really funny, and Living

927
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 4: Color was the funniest show I worked on because the

928
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 4: writers were hilarious and the performers. The writers are arguably

929
00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:00,439
Speaker 4: funnier than the performers sometimes, right. We have one writer

930
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 4: named Less fires Thing. Oh god god, he was so funny.

931
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 4: And we used to do this thing I say, where

932
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,439
Speaker 4: we would be working till all hours of the night,

933
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 4: like three or four in the morning, so by one

934
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 4: or two in the morning we do skits for each other.

935
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 4: We know, got so fun Oh man, We perform for

936
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 4: each other and the darkest stuff ever that you you

937
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 4: could not ever if you knew the stuff we were doing,

938
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 4: we would have been arrested immediately just for the subject matter.

939
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 4: I mean so dark. I think you would have appreciated,

940
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 4: because I know, I know your mind is very dark.

941
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 4: I would No, I've actually serious. You would have enjoyed it.

942
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 4: I believe nothing, nothing was sacred, everything you could make

943
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 4: jokes about.

944
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 3: I love that. I love dangerous comedy. I love Ricky Turvas.

945
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 2: I love people who you know, really push the envelope

946
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 2: but are smart and funny.

947
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, me too.

948
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,959
Speaker 2: You hosted the White House Correspondents Dinner. I was there.

949
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 2: This is a quiz.

950
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: The first White House Correspondence.

951
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,720
Speaker 2: Dinner was a in eighteen eighty eight, b in nineteen

952
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 2: twenty one, or see nineteen fifty four.

953
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 4: I'm going to say nineteen twenty one.

954
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: You're right.

955
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 3: You are correcked, ding ding Ding. What's your favorite movie?

956
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 4: See, it's a there's a competition there, well, competition if

957
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 4: I'm forced to choose one. See, it's hard for me

958
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 4: not to have Marx brothers in there, just because they're

959
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 4: so influential growing up. Like Animal Crackers is not a

960
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 4: great movie, but it's still one of my favorite. For you, Yeah,

961
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 4: for me, and Buster Keaton's up there too. The Graduate

962
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 4: is a movie that I can watch time and time again.

963
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 3: Perfect movie.

964
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot on there for this. I just

965
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 4: saw Cooley High again when I was a kid, that

966
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 4: movie meant so much to me. Favorite band, the Beatles.

967
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 4: Me too, big Beatle fan. I'm talking to Bill mar

968
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 4: about this. Actually, Oh he loves the Beatles. Oh yeah,

969
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 4: I know. And I got the Beatles later though, because

970
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 4: I like a lot of different kinds of music by

971
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 4: I'm a multi genre, yes person, Yes, sometimes it's moved related.

972
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 4: But I had slept on the Beatles growing up, you know,

973
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 4: you know, I kind of knew who they were, blah

974
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 4: blah blah. But when John Lennon died, I remember my

975
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 4: brother got some eight track or something or Cas said

976
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 4: he had in his car the Beatles live at the

977
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 4: Hollywood bowlm and he was playing it and I was

978
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,240
Speaker 4: listening to the audience. I'm like, good lord, I'm like Jesus,

979
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,720
Speaker 4: like I had forgotten the phenomena that was the Beatles

980
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 4: because I was really too young to appreciate that. But

981
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 4: just hearing the people scream, I thought, let me could,

982
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 4: let me look into these So I started. I did

983
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 4: the discography. I started with their first album, and I

984
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 4: went in order, you know, and I'm so glad that

985
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 4: I did. I fell in love with them as a

986
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,359
Speaker 4: group too. There was a special Malcolm MacDowell did called

987
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 4: the Complete Beatles. It's still one of the best. Yes,

988
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 4: you know he did at the time, and oh, I

989
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 4: just completely I went down that rabbit hole and just

990
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 4: drank all the kool aid. You know, it was all

991
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 4: in on the Beatles and just from then on, that's

992
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:00,919
Speaker 4: that's that's my group.

993
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 2: It always amazed me that they were a band for

994
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 2: five years. Five years, that's it. Five years and they

995
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 2: made the most important music of history. I mean, I

996
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 2: just yeah, I can't get over how talented they were.

997
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:13,240
Speaker 4: It's crazy.

998
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 2: Finally, this question is very important to me culturally. When

999
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 2: is iced coffee season?

1000
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 4: See, for me, it's never ice coffee season. Never. Well,

1001
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 4: why why do I want to make my coffee cold?

1002
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: You know, because you don't want to sip it.

1003
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 3: You want to inject it into your veins. You want

1004
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 3: it confee.

1005
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 4: Coffee knows its job. Coffee knows its job. You know.

1006
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 2: Well, that's it's the wrong answer. The right answer is

1007
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 2: year round, year round. But you learn from a person by.

1008
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 4: Asking you, like, I don't like food trying to chick me,

1009
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 4: that's something else. Okay, So coffee ice coffee is trying

1010
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 4: to chick me. That it's iced tea. But you're not coffee.

1011
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 4: You are not. You know you're not, so stop it.

1012
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 4: It's couscous trying to pretend it's right. Not because because

1013
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 4: you're you're not Rice. Stop trying to act like it.

1014
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 4: You know, Rice is rice. That's why we have it,

1015
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 4: That's why it's there. That's why they had to come

1016
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 4: to the term impossible burger, because you know, you're acknowledging

1017
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 4: the fact that there's no way that's a burger. So

1018
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 4: at least you acknowledge it. Yeah, at least you acknowledge

1019
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 4: that this is impossible. Because I agree with you. I

1020
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,919
Speaker 4: don't know what this is, but you're right, it is impossible.

1021
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 4: But I don't like food that's trying to trick me,

1022
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,240
Speaker 4: So I believe. I believe ice coffee at its core,

1023
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 4: and it will admit this is engage in a deceptive campaign.

1024
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: Well on, behalf of ice coffee.

1025
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 2: I am sorry you feel your way, but sorry ice coffee.

1026
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 3: We love, we love ice coffee.

1027
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: Clarry Onemore, this was.

1028
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 3: Such a treat. Thank you so much.

1029
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:37,760
Speaker 4: It was my pleasure.

1030
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 2: Next week, on Off the Cop I talked to two

1031
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 2: of my favorite politicos, but not about politics.

1032
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,720
Speaker 6: You were on the team because they drafted him first,

1033
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 6: and you owe the traveling trailing sibling. So I had

1034
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 6: my houch ego rocked pretty hard at age twelve.

1035
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 2: It's Congressman Eric Swollwell and former Congressman Adam Kinsinger.

1036
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 4: You care and freak yourself out in the cockpit.

1037
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 3: You really could, because you're like.

1038
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: I'm freaked out right now just hearing you talk about it.

1039
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 2: Off the Cup is a production of iHeart Podcasts as

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00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 2: part of the Recent Choice Network. I'm your Hostess Cupp

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Speaker 2: editing and sound designed by Derek Clements. Our executive producers

1042
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,279
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1043
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,800
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1044
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1045
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