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Speaker 1: The Michael Berry Show when President Trump stated on the

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Speaker 1: campaign trail, We're just going to keep winning and winning

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Speaker 1: and winning, and you're going to get tired of winning.

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Speaker 1: You know, he said that tongue in cheek, But I

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Speaker 1: will tell you I'm a competitive person, and winners are

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Speaker 1: competitive in winning and losing matters. If you don't think

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Speaker 1: in a country that has won the world wars. Otherwise

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Speaker 1: your life would be subjugation in hell, understanding that everything

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Speaker 1: is winning and losing. People who will tell you that, oh,

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Speaker 1: you shouldn't be so competitive are people who are not

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Speaker 1: any good at what they do. And that's a fact.

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Speaker 1: You don't think winning and losing matters. Won't you watch

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Speaker 1: a football game this weekend and watch your team, your

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Speaker 1: alma mater, or your city's team, or whatever team you love,

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Speaker 1: and decide that you don't care if y'all win. In fact,

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Speaker 1: you hope the other team wins, because winning doesn't matter. Right,

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Speaker 1: The whole point of watching the game is your team winning.

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Speaker 1: That's the beauty of competition, both sides competing passionately to win.

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Speaker 1: If you're a salesman and you know the company's looking

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Speaker 1: at three different bids. You don't go, here's my bid.

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Speaker 1: Choose whichever one you want, and if it's me, let

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Speaker 1: me know. Otherwise it's fine. I don't need to eat. No,

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Speaker 1: you want to win. If you're dating a girl, you

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Speaker 1: all break up. She'd start stating a new guy and

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Speaker 1: they're kind of getting serious and you go. But you

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Speaker 1: for me. So now you've got a competition. You don't say, hey,

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Speaker 1: you can go with him, or you can come with me.

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Speaker 1: Not if you know that's one for you. You want

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Speaker 1: to win her love, You want her commitment to you. Right,

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Speaker 1: Everything we do is competition. Everything we do is competition.

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Speaker 1: Exceptionalism is being the best. If you don't keep scoring,

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Speaker 1: the game's not any fun. Any football player to tell

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Speaker 1: you scrimmages didn't matter. You could have put on your uniform.

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Speaker 1: Scrimmages don't matter. And when they don't matter, oh hell

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Speaker 1: you know. There was a Jeopardy episode a little while back,

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Speaker 1: the Tournament of Champions, and they brought three different I

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Speaker 1: Love Jeopardy. They brought three of the greatest winners, and

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Speaker 1: they were going to give them a buye into the

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Speaker 1: next round. They didn't have to win the first round

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Speaker 1: to get they had earned it because they had won

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Speaker 1: so much money each of them, and so they had

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Speaker 1: a competition between three of them, and rather than let

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Speaker 1: them keep the winnings, they had a competition where it

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Speaker 1: didn't matter, like you didn't get to keep your winnings.

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Speaker 1: You just played, and it was to get them back

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Speaker 1: into shape. So the whole game was awful, and I

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Speaker 1: think Ken Jennings recognized it, and they recognized it, and

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Speaker 1: there were constant comments about I guess I'll risk it all.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter anyway, and so everything about the competition

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Speaker 1: of Jeopardy was lost. And that was when you realized

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Speaker 1: this isn't just a game of let's test your knowledge.

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Speaker 1: It's the desire to win winning, and that the pursuit

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Speaker 1: of it makes us better. Competition is everything in every aspect.

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Speaker 1: So when we talk about exceptionalism, how will we measure

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Speaker 1: exceptionalism relative to the rest of the world. You know,

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Speaker 1: there are people that have lived in history on an

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Speaker 1: island where they never interacted with anyone else. So when

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Speaker 1: they find out someone shows up and they've got some

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Speaker 1: have worked harder. If you look at how many advancements

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Speaker 1: are made during war because you got to keep up,

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Speaker 1: because you got to win the war. Armaments in the

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Speaker 1: past were going to make a big difference, whether that

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Speaker 1: Some number. I mean these sorts of things, that level

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Speaker 1: of competition. You think of the space wars, you think

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Speaker 1: of the computer wars. All of these things matter. And

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Speaker 1: American exceptionalism is the idea that we are winners, and

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Speaker 1: we haven't had leadership elected leadership who valued winning. We

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Speaker 1: want to win, but our leadership wanted to lose. They

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Speaker 1: wanted everybody to be happy, everybody to get a trophy.

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Speaker 1: Antonin Scalia is my favorite all time Supreme Court justice.

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Speaker 1: I had the opportunity to smoke ciguards with him and

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Speaker 1: get to know him. Yeah, he was there. Yes, Please

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Speaker 1: in eighty six. He was known for his wit, his

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Speaker 1: concepts like textualism and originalism. Spend some time reading on

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Speaker 1: those things. If what you hear of Scalia interests you.

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Speaker 1: I love the fact that he was a majority of one.

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Speaker 1: He didn't need to go with the crowd. He didn't

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Speaker 1: need to keep up with the modern theories. We've played

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Speaker 1: this some time ago, but we will have listeners who

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Speaker 1: will ask us for this and they can't find it,

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Speaker 1: and so we had marked it. We may play this

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Speaker 1: once every two years. That's probably enough time in between,

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Speaker 1: because we're always getting new folks coming in. It's it's

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Speaker 1: one of my favorites from antonin Scalia. And if this

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Speaker 1: sparks in you an interest in learning more about American jurisprudence,

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Speaker 1: don't say to yourself, well, I can go to law school.

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Speaker 1: I don't know any that. I'm not a lawyer. You

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Speaker 1: don't need to be, just like you've learned about a

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Speaker 1: lot of other things.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: People tell me all the time, Oh, I don't know

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Speaker 1: about that, I'm not smart. Wait a second. You can

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Speaker 1: I can't do that. Or a housewife, a homemaker will say, oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm not smart. I one, Wait a second. You can

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Speaker 1: You can somehow, some way keep all their schedules organ

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Speaker 1: I can't do all that. You can do anything that

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Speaker 1: you decide you want to do. And learning about American

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Speaker 1: jurisprudence is something that's opening. There's so many websites, so

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Speaker 1: many places. Don't believe the first thing you read, because

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Speaker 1: you might read the wrong person, they might have the

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Speaker 1: wrong opinion. But yes, you too can begin to learn

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Speaker 1: about America's Supreme Court rulings, how Supreme Court works, all

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Speaker 1: of the above, all of the above, and it's exciting

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Speaker 1: and fun, and it's open to you. This is antonin

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Speaker 1: Scalia on American exceptionalism. I only regret that he did

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Speaker 2: I speak to students, especially law students, but also college

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Speaker 2: students and even high school students quite frequently about the Constitution,

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Speaker 2: because I feel that we're not teaching it very well.

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Speaker 2: I speak to law students from the best law schools,

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Speaker 2: people presumably especially interested in the law. And I asked him,

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Speaker 2: how many of you have read the Federalist papers? Well,

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Speaker 2: a lot of hands will go no, not just number

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Speaker 2: have read the Federalist papers cover to cover? Never more

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Speaker 2: especially if you're interested in the Constitution. Here's a document

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Speaker 2: It's such a profound exposition of political science that it

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Speaker 2: familiar with it. So when I speak to these groups,

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Speaker 2: a little more fundamental than the one that Steven has

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Speaker 2: just put forward, I ask them, what do you think

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Speaker 2: is the reason that America is such a free country?

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Speaker 2: What is it in our constitution that makes us what

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Speaker 2: including the woman that he was talking to it in

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Speaker 2: the supermarket, the answer would be freedom of speech, freedom

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Speaker 2: But then I tell them, if you think that a

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Speaker 2: Every banana republic in the world has a bill of rights.

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Speaker 2: Every president for life has a bill of rights. The

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Speaker 2: of Soviet Socialist Republics, was much better than ours. I

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Speaker 2: mean it literally, it was much better. We guarantee freedom

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Speaker 2: and protests, and anyone who is who is caught trying

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Speaker 2: to suppress criticism of the government will be called to account.

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Speaker 2: WHOA That is wonderful stuff, of course, just words on paper,

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Speaker 2: the reason is that the real constitution of the Soviet Union.

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Speaker 2: it means structure. Say a person has a sound constitution.

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Speaker 2: Here's a sound structure, the real constitution of the Soviet Union,

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Speaker 2: which is what our framers debated that that whole summer

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Speaker 2: of course, is the independence of the judiciary. But there's

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Speaker 2: a lot more. There are very few countries in the world,

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Speaker 2: for example, that have a bicameral legislature. Oh England has

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Speaker 2: Very few countries have two separate bodies in the legislature

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Speaker 2: equally powerful. That's a lot of trouble, as you gentlemen

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Speaker 2: when I get there, I find that all I'm talking

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Speaker 2: try to divide the two political powers, the two political branches,

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Speaker 2: There's never any disagreement between them and the Prime minister,

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Speaker 2: the Europeans look at this system and they say, well,

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