1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The search for a female 2 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: jailer and her jailhouse lover has come to a crazy, careening, 3 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: screeching halt. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank 4 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: you for being with us here at Fox Nation and 5 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: series XM one eleven. First of all, listen to what 6 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: we have on record as the last transmissions of hearing 7 00:00:37,760 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 1: Vicky White on radio on Hello Air backs to get out. Well, 8 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: you are hearing the last utterances of Vicky White on 9 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: the run with our jailhouse lover six foot nine. At 10 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: the least. What happened after that is very well documented. 11 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: Take a list an hour, cut thirty six, our friends 12 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: of wvv Fox forty four. We are right over here, 13 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: just off of Highway forty one and Burton. You can 14 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: kind of see the scene as very chaotic right now. 15 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: We are still learning details, but we can confirm that 16 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: both Casey and Vicky. One is in custody and one 17 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: is in the hospital. The female is actually in the hospital. 18 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: We know that they are driving down here. Police pursue 19 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: about seventy miles per hour. You can see that car 20 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: flipped over in the ditch right now. We have multiple 21 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: agencies on scene, but apparently this was going for a while. Now. 22 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: We do not know the condition of her, but we 23 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: do know that he is in custody. Let's get out 24 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: and run. The chilling nine one one audio reveals on 25 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: the run prison guard Vicky White's last words to her 26 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: escape e lover Casey White joining me an all star 27 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: panel to make sense of what we know right now. 28 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: James Shelda, twenty seven years metro major case at Sheldona 29 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: Law Firm. Karen Start, New York psychologist, joining us Karen 30 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: Start dot Com. Lenny de Paul, former Chief Inspector Commander 31 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: US Marshall Fugitive Task Force. Doctor Tim Gallagher, medical Examiner, 32 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: State of Florida and host of the International Forensic Medicine 33 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: Death Investigation Conference. Brittany Harry joining us. The reporter anchor 34 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: Way thirty one, That's Hunstville and special guest joining us. 35 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: Sheriff Rick Singleton, the Lauderdale County elected sheriff. Sheriff, thank 36 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: you for being with us. I know that you're going 37 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: through a lot right now, from losing a trusted jailhouse 38 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 1: employee for many, many years, somebody that you respected, a 39 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 1: co worker, a friend, the betrayal of that and now 40 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 1: her death. It's been an emoptional roller coach the last 41 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: couple of weeks. You know, I just don't really know 42 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: how to explain it. I mean know, when we first 43 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: got word that that they had left, our initial feeling 44 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: was that he had somehow, you know, overpowered her and 45 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: taken her against her will. And it wasn't too many 46 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: hours into the investigation when we realized that she had 47 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: played a part in it. We were still grasping at straungs, 48 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: hoping that maybe someone from outside on his behalf, had 49 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: threatened her, threatened her family coerced her into helping him escape. 50 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: But within a matter of a few days, it became 51 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: obvious that she was very much involved in this plan, 52 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: very much involved in the plan, if not even the 53 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: mastermind of the plan. Guys, take a listen to our 54 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: cut forty our friends at w vt M thirteen. Vicky 55 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: White has died tonight. Investigators say she shot herself following 56 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: a core chase with law enforcement. It all came to 57 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: an end today in Evansville, Indiana. That's about a two 58 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty mile journey from Lauderdale County. This is 59 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: the press conference we've been talking about all week that 60 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: we wanted to call. After days of searching across the country, 61 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: Ky Why and Vicky Why are in custody. The duo 62 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: was hunted down in Indiana. US Marshals received a tip 63 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: about a car this catalanc believed to be driven by 64 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: Casey and Vicky and Evansville. That led to a chase. 65 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: The Marshall Task Force officers intercepted them, actually collided with 66 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: them to try in the pursuit. After the crash, According 67 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: to law enforcements, Vicky shot herself and later died in 68 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: the hospital. Casey peacefully surrendered. We got a dangerous man 69 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 1: off the street today. He is never going to see 70 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 1: the light of day again. Did she shoot herself? That 71 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: remains to be seen. And also take a listen now 72 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: to our cut thirty eight w e VV Fox. We're 73 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 1: standing right next to the ditch where this all went down, 74 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: and you can actually still see a part of that 75 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: car left behind, perhaps a headlight or maybe a tail 76 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: light still left right there. And we're learning it really 77 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: didn't take long for the car to end up flipped 78 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: on its side in the ditch. The pursuit really only 79 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 1: lasting about two blocks from Saint George Road to Birch 80 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: Drive here. But what's most surprising to law enforcement is 81 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: the fact the fugitives we're still in the Evansville area 82 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: nearly a week after they were caught on camera at 83 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 1: a local car wash. Took a porch. He took a 84 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: porch to do this, and I knew it would be 85 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: an end in a shootout. I knew it would the 86 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: community in shock and disbelief, standing mere feet away from 87 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: where an eleven day nationwide manhunt came to an end 88 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: following a brief police pursuit around four thirty Monday, I 89 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 1: live be am a convict Casey White and corrections officer 90 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 1: Vicky White crashing in a ditch off US forty one 91 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 1: in Evansville straight out to Brittany Harry joining us from 92 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: WAA y thirty one. You can find her on Facebook. 93 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 1: Brittany Harry needs Brittany, thank you for being with us. 94 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 1: Explain how the whole thing unfolded. And you know, everybody 95 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: keeps saying we knew how it was gonna end, we 96 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: knew how it was gonna end. I felt all along 97 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 1: that there was a very high percentage if I was 98 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 1: a betting person that somehow Vicky White would end up dead. 99 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: And you hear her last words, let's get out run, 100 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: and you hear her also saying, I knew we shouldn't 101 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: have left the hotel. We should now have left the hotel. 102 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: Tell me how the whole capture played out. Well, I'm 103 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: so actually in Evansville, Indiana right now doing day two 104 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: coverage here, and I just do want to mention that 105 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: I am just one person at my station that has 106 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: been covering the story. Has definitely been a team effort, 107 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: but here in Evansville. I have been in contact with 108 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: the sheriff here and police and local authorities, and what 109 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: we know according to the sheriff, as he mentioned in 110 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: a press conference yesterday, was Vicky and Casey were seen 111 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: leaving that Motel forty one along Highway forty one here 112 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: in Evansville, Indiana, and not long after they left the 113 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: parking lot, we know that a pursuit ensued and not 114 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: long after that ended with a crash. But Sheriff day 115 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: Wedding here in Vanderberg County, Indiana said yesterday that the 116 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: US Marshalls actually rammed the vehicle that Cadillacs that they 117 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: were into a ditch and that's really how that crash happened, 118 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: in how all of this ended. And Sheriff Wedding said 119 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: yesterday that had that not happened, this might have had 120 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: a different ending because he says that Casey told authorities 121 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: that he planned to have a shootout with law enforcement. 122 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: So Sheriff Wedding obviously said that he's very, very grateful 123 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: that that is not what happened here. But I know 124 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: Sheriff Singleton is on the line, and I do want to, 125 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: you know, pass my condolences onto him. I know this 126 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: is a tough time for him. We heard him say 127 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: that at the beginning of the call, and or really, 128 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: I mean, Nancy, I know that you were saying that 129 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: some people were suspecting that it might end this way, 130 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: but definitely still a sad situation. I think people may 131 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: have expected it, but they were hoping for a different outcome. 132 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: Sheriff Rick Singleton joining us, the elected Laurdale County sheriff sheriff. 133 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,719 Speaker 1: How did they get the caddy? My understanding, as they 134 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: purchased it up, we found the first vehicle that we 135 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: were able to identify, the ford Edge abandoned in Tennessee. 136 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: Actually a week after they left and it was actually 137 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: abandoned the day they left. We know that they purchased 138 00:08:55,640 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: a black pickup truck in that area. That's the pickup 139 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: that was found at the car wash up in Indiana. 140 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 1: The local police ran that vehicle. It didn't come back 141 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 1: to Doolem because it wasn't total they purchased him. They 142 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: abandoned it and apparently got the Cadillac. I'm assuming they 143 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: probably purchased it too. They had the cash with them. 144 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: Were they down to about twenty nine grand? That's my understanding. 145 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: That was the proferma amount that was recovered. So they 146 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: ran through seventy thousand dollars? Is that right, sheriff? You know, 147 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: she had already purchased one vehicle here. She had made 148 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: several other purchases, clothes for him, you know, best sort 149 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: of thing, So they had a considerable funnel money. It's 150 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: amazing to me that they managed to pull off so 151 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: many car purchases. Staying in a hotel, they had to eat. 152 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: How were they getting that? Were they going out? Were 153 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: they ordering in? How did they register into the hotel 154 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: without driver's licenses or without anyone identifying them. We understand 155 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: they may have paid a guy to register at the hotel. 156 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 1: But the buying of the multiple cars, the vehicle to 157 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: the hotel, the food, the car wash take us an 158 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: hour cut thirty seven our friends at way. Just today, 159 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: investigators released this photo of a two thousand and six 160 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: ft F one fifty pickup truck in Evansville that authorities 161 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: say the couple abandoned at a car wash around May third. 162 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: It wasn't until Sunday that authority's got that tip. Turns 163 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 1: out the two were still in the area. We got 164 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: a dangerous man off the street today. He is never 165 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 1: going to see the light of day again. For days, 166 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: law enforcement had urged the public to be on the lookout, 167 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: hoping Casey White's six foot nine, three hundred forty pounds 168 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: size would make him easy to spot. Sheriff Singleton is 169 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: anxious to have him back in custody in North Alabama 170 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: to face charges of capital murder from the twenty fifteen 171 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,959 Speaker 1: stabbing of Connie Ridgeway. We've already made a rangelman for 172 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: the Department of Correct Ruit. He would be brought here 173 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: for a arrangment. If it's two o'clock in the morning, 174 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. The judge was agreed to come out 175 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace Lenny DePaul joining US former 176 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: US Marshall Service Fugitive Task Force. Lenny, I'm very surprised 177 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: they're still in the same area. And how did they 178 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: pull off buying so many vehicles, staying in hotels, getting food? 179 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: How they do it well? Nancy is a crazy and 180 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: intense manhunt, obviously, and first of all, my condolences as 181 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: well the Sheriff Singleton in his department. I can only 182 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: imagine what they're going through. But yeah, I mean standing 183 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: on the run. This guy certainly wasn't gonna hide in 184 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: plain sight at seven foot, three hundred pounds. But the 185 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: US Marshall Service, the Great Lakes and also the Gulf 186 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 1: Coast Regional Fugitive task Forces, and of course the Sheriff's department, 187 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,839 Speaker 1: they did an outstanding job, Nancy. And here's what they did. 188 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: They put you know, they utilized the intel that they 189 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: were gathering. They put everything out. Social media was fired up. 190 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: You guys did a great job plastering their photos. The 191 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 1: public remained vigilant, and sure enough, the fellow working in 192 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: the car wash did his homework ransom video and identified 193 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: this guy. So they were out there. They had a plan. 194 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: Apparently there was a flying a ointment with vehicles possibly 195 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: breaking down and whatnot, but it was only a matter 196 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: of time. And thankfully, as the sheriff said, I mean, 197 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: when they pitted that car and the weapons that were 198 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: found in that vehicle and the ammunition, it could have 199 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 1: been a lot helld a lot worse than what it was. 200 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: How did they pull it off for this long even 201 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: stay fairly close to home. Take a listen to our 202 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: cut forty nine from the VanderBurg County Sheriff's office. We 203 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: got a photo they had about twenty nine thousand dollars 204 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: left over. Here's a picture of the money that was 205 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: left in the vehicle that we counted last night after 206 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 1: we inventory the vehicles. Why did they get fet they 207 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: purchased the fun and drove it here? And where they 208 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: got the Cadillac? I'm not sure idea what they were 209 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: doing here for? Well, I think he said that he 210 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: was just trying to find a place to hide out 211 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: lay low and they thought, you know, they'd driven long 212 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 1: enough that they wanted to stop for a while, get 213 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: the berry straight, and then figure out their next place 214 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: to travel. We don't believe they have any relatives, friends 215 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: or acquaintances in Evazel, Vanver County. Well, I can tell 216 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:35,959 Speaker 1: you what they wanted to do, Brittany Harry. They wanted 217 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: to hold up in that hotel and use all those 218 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: sex toys that she bought before they took off and 219 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 1: went on the run. Now, how did they manage to 220 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 1: get into the hotel? I mean, when I write a 221 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: check at the grocery store, I have to show a 222 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: driver's license, credit cards, you name it. Okay, So how 223 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: did these two on the run, their faces plastered on 224 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: every TV screen and the country, How in the world 225 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: did they manage to hold up in that hotel and 226 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 1: nobody noticed? How did they sign in? Yeah, the short 227 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: answer is with a homeless man. Sheriff Dave Wedding said 228 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: yesterday he told me that they had an alias and 229 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: that I guess that they paid a homeless man to 230 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: essentially help them get this fourteen days stay at this hotel. 231 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: And we've done and we've seen interviews that have been 232 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: all over with the owner of the hotel, and he 233 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: apparently had no idea that the two were wanted, and 234 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: neither did the homeless guy. So I also know that 235 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: that homeless man, he won't be facing any chargers here 236 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: in Indiana or anything like that, you know, Sheriff, they 237 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: had about thirty thousand dollars left, and I'm guessing the 238 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: way they bought the cars. First they bought the getaway car, 239 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: the orange car. Then they got an F one fifty 240 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: black truck, and then they ended up in a Catillac 241 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: again when you had done on the horse. Look at 242 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: the track record. She got the first car in cash 243 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: with a fake ID, using an alias. I bet that's 244 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: what she did the other times. What do you know, sheriff, Well, 245 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: you remember the car she bought first, the Ford Edge 246 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: was abandoned that day they escaped. Uh, they also bought 247 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: the truck, you know, that same day. So no information 248 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: they had been put out at that time about their descriptions. Uh, 249 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: you know, at least they hadn't gotten the kind of 250 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: attention that that you know, they got in the day's following. Uh. 251 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: There was an app put out to the National Crime 252 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: Information systems, but to law enforcement, but as far as 253 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: the general public, if most of that information were just 254 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: localized at that time, so you know, everything they bought 255 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: the truck from, probably would have had no idea they 256 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: were wanted. So are you saying they bought the escape car, 257 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: the orange escape car and the truck on the same day. No, 258 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: they left here in the orange car. It broke down 259 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: or whatever happened to it. It was abandoned in Betheza. 260 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: That's where they bought the truck same day, gotcha, Yeah, 261 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: the same day that they live right and again, even 262 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: though their faces weren't out there yet, she probably used 263 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: a fake name. And Ellis, do you know what name 264 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: she bought the orange getaway car under? It was a 265 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: Maxwell name, Marie Maxwell Maxwell Betchy's. She did the same 266 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: thing because you know, James shell Nutt twenty seven years 267 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: Matro major case and now lawyer at shell Nutt Law Firm. 268 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: She's smart. She's really smart. I don't know how how. 269 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: I think he's got a low wattage. But even though 270 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: she may be smart and had planned this whole thing out, 271 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: I guarantee it, she did the same thing over and over. 272 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: You know, she devised the very best plan and did 273 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: it over and over. Were you surprise that she was 274 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: able to get her mits on three separate cars while 275 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: on the run. What you know, I thought about that, 276 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: and that's something that caught my tissue as it did yours. 277 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: But she knows when you think about you by a 278 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: used car, you know it's pretty straightforward. You know what 279 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 1: you're doing is you're going up and looking at these cars. 280 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: It could be off Craixlist, it could be off market place. 281 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: You go up and tell people your name, they write 282 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 1: you a they will sell, and you had them cash 283 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 1: and very few questions are asked. And I don't know 284 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: if you bought this from a dealership or not, but 285 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: if she had a fake ID, they're likely would not 286 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: have run that ID, and once cash at the table, 287 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 1: they could have easily goat it. Here's the other thing 288 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: is that when they buy those used cars, those tags 289 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 1: are not immediately transferred, So for days, if not a 290 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: week or two, they could have ridden around in that 291 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 1: vehicle and it showed the previous owner's name, not stolen, 292 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: and looked like a clean vehicle. If law enforcement round 293 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: that tag. She was smart. She didn't use the stolen vehicle, 294 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: and she had the money to do that, because the 295 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: stolen vehicle would immediately go up all points of bullets 296 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: and an APB on that thinking. These two had done it, 297 00:17:55,160 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: but not only did they get the three separate getaway cars. 298 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: They blew it when they went to a car wash. 299 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: Take a listen our cut forty one to w VTM 300 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 1: thirteen on May third, a stolen Ford f when fifty 301 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: was discovered at a car wash in Evansville. Surveillance footage 302 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: from the car wash appears to show Casey White the 303 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 1: first sighting of him in the city, meaning they were 304 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: there for possibly a week. Well, they're criminals. Sometimes they 305 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: do things that are unexplainable. But in this case, I'm 306 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 1: glad they did case. He will be extradited back to 307 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 1: Alabama to face arrayment. Sheriff Singleton says he will do 308 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: everything in his power to make sure he can never 309 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: escape again. To you, Sheriff Rick Singleton, the Lauderdale County 310 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: elected sheriff Sheriff. Let me understand this. So they get 311 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 1: three getaway cars and then while they're on the run 312 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: they haven't been caught, they take one to a car wash. Yeah, 313 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: you know, to back up just a little bit. To truck. 314 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: I understand was in an individual yard that was for sale, 315 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 1: and so they bought it off off of an individual. Also, 316 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: the first major break we got in the case really 317 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: related to that truck. Because when we got the information 318 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 1: on the truck and the marshals ran it on NCISE 319 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: to see if there have been in the activity, that's 320 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: when they found out that an officer there in Evansville 321 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: had checked that truck out a few days before. So 322 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: that's that's what led us to Evansville to start with. 323 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: So the truck was a key part of being able 324 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: to find me and locate them where they were at 325 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: As far as I'm staying in a motel, you know, 326 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 1: they had paid the bill ahead of time for two weeks, 327 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: and I'm going to be my personal opinion is that 328 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 1: the national media attention that this guy, I think drove 329 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: them underground. I think that's why they wanted to stay 330 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: there for a couple of weeks and lay low, because 331 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 1: they knew if they poked their head out. Just you 332 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: mentioned she said in that audio that, you know, we 333 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: should have never left the motel. You know, I think 334 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: they knew if they got out and about that they'd 335 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: be spotted. Yeah, you know, Karen start joining me New 336 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 1: York psychologists joining us from Manhattan. It's Karen Stark with 337 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 1: a C. Karen, I don't get it. You stay under 338 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: You're getting away with it. You're paid up for two weeks. 339 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: You don't have to see anybody. You can stay in 340 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: your motel room, order in and play with your sex toys. 341 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: Nobody knows you're in there. You can put the do 342 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: not disturbed sign on the door. The maid won't come 343 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: in there. You're golden, right. What in the world were 344 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: they thinking going? I mean, it's not like he doesn't 345 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 1: stick out like a sword thumb he six nine. Well, 346 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 1: when you think about it, Nancy, I mean they may have. 347 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: They might have had the best plan in the world, 348 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: but now they are out there and actually trying to escape, 349 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 1: and in a situation like that, you don't think all 350 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,959 Speaker 1: that clearly. I don't care how smart he is. Sooner 351 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: or later you're going to do something really ridiculous and 352 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: get your card self caught. We see it all the time. 353 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 1: So here they decided to go to a car wash. 354 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: We know his picture, they took the picture, and I'm 355 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: even wondering why it took so long after there was 356 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: a police officer there for the marshals to wind up 357 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 1: finding out that they had spotted him. Yeah, it's like 358 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: listen to our cut thirty nine. Our friends at w 359 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: the Fox. But it all started at James Stinson's car 360 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 1: wash a week ago, where he saw a truck abandoned 361 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 1: in one of the stalls. The winds are down and 362 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 1: the door there unlock. My first thought, oh my god, 363 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: this could be this guy from Alabama. He had the 364 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 1: truck towed the next day. Fast forward to Sunday night. 365 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 1: His phone goes off. It's the US Marshals, confirming his suspicions. 366 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: I said, did you have a cart over your call? Yes? 367 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: I did. I said it's got that guy, and Alaman managed, 368 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: yeah it is. I said, yeah. They were there waiting 369 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: for authorities to arrive. Stinson alerted forty four News Monday morning, 370 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: the show I'm calling Fox. We were at the car 371 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: wash minutes before US Marshall's. That's when Stinson showed us 372 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: the surveillance video, with six foot nine Casey White clearly visible. 373 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 1: You can see him standing by the blue F one 374 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: fifties stolen from Tennessee, waiting for Vicky White. I see 375 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 1: her charcle back around in a cab like and Dicky 376 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: him up and then they leaved together. US Marshall shared 377 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: some of the images in a press release, alerting local 378 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 1: law enforcements. Bringing us back to the pursuit and capture 379 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: of the fugitives and more in our cut forty five. 380 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: We recently found out that they'd been staying at a 381 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: hotel down the road here. It used to be in 382 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 1: Motel six and now I think it's changed names, and 383 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: they's had a fourteen day stay there. We were fortunate 384 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: that during our investigation yesterday, and that was a police 385 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: officer who was just doing his good diligence of patrolling 386 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: and being smart, noticed the vehicle in the parking lot 387 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: of the hotel and notified us immediately. So the task 388 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: force members got together, they drove down there set up 389 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: surveillance on the hotel. Soon thereafter, the two suspects exited 390 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: the hotel and fled out of the hotel parking lot. 391 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: They fled out of the hotel parking lot and headed 392 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 1: northbound on US Highway forty one. Take a list in 393 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: our cut forty six is flaming It. The two suspects 394 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: exited the hotel and fled out of the hotel parking 395 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: lot northbound on US Highway forty one. Turned in at 396 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: an industry known as anchor here in Upsville. They went 397 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 1: through the parking lot went through a grass field. The 398 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 1: members of the US Task Force basically rammed the vehicle 399 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 1: and pushed it into a ditch. And we later found 400 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: out had they not done that, the fugitive was going 401 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: to engage in a shootout with law enforcement. So by 402 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: our quick thinking, our actions. Sometimes people may call that 403 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: unnecessary action, but that action may have saved many of 404 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: my deputies and fellow law enforcement officers lives. And that's 405 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: why I represent the sheriff's office. I wouldn't bring my 406 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: people home, and I don't care about the fugitives lives. 407 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: I know that may sound harsh, but that is the 408 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: view of law enforcement. They are trying to save the 409 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: lives of their deputies and their people fighting crime and civilians, 410 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 1: not as word about the fugitives. Sheriff Rick Singleton joining 411 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: US special Guests, the elected sheriff in Lauderdale County, Sheriff, 412 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: could you explain to me how it went down. So 413 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: they go to the car wash and it is there 414 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: that the defendant is caught on camera, all six foot 415 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: nine inches of him. She pulls around and picks him 416 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: up in the caddy. They leave the F one fifty there, 417 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: go back to the motel and that's when they are surveiled. 418 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,360 Speaker 1: How did it all happen? Could you lay it out 419 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: for a sheriff? Well, you know a lot of it 420 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: comes down to just basic, good old fashioned police ward, 421 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: you know, having the description of that Cadillac and my 422 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 1: understanding as a patrol officers spotted that Cadillac in the 423 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: parking lot. You know, it sort of reminds me of 424 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: the Eric Rudolf case where a rookie police officers found 425 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: him drummaging through a dumpster, you know. And and that's 426 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 1: that's the unique thing about this particular case. You know, 427 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: usually when you have someone escape from a county jail, 428 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: there's really no plan. You know, the only plan is 429 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: get out. And then once they're out, they don't know 430 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: what they're going to do, and so usually they're apprehended 431 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 1: within a matter of hours, if not just a few days. 432 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: But this was well thought out, well orchestrated. They had 433 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: all the resources they needed and um, you know, and 434 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 1: I was thinking about that, uh just this morning, you 435 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 1: know when you saw them think about it. I mean, 436 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: this was like looking for a needle in a haystack. 437 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 1: They had almost a seventy two hour lead on us 438 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: before we got our first major lead, and that was 439 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: identifying the car they left the shopping center in Uh. 440 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: They could have been anywhere in this country. And when 441 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: you start thinking about you're looking for two people that 442 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,880 Speaker 1: could be anywhere in the United States, I mean, it's 443 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: like looking for a needle in a haystack. We had 444 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 1: no clue what direction they went in at that time. 445 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 1: We did find out late Sunday night that this was 446 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: the car that they did leave here. In turns out 447 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: that card been abandoned the day they left, so you know, 448 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: when when got to it, we didn't have it back 449 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: Square one didn't really have a lead. But I'm gonna 450 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: tell you the United States Marshalls Serious Task Force h 451 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: that is a tremendous group of young men and women 452 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 1: who do their job and do it very well. And 453 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: my own investigators in the early hours of this investigation, 454 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: I mean, they did a tremendous job of canvas in 455 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 1: that shopping center trying to develop some lead because we 456 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: started with absolutely nothing. Well, I gotta agree with you, Sheriff. 457 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of the US Marshals. My long 458 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: time investigator, the first investigator I was assigned in the 459 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: District Attorney's office, big huge guy, Robert McMichaels. He had 460 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 1: a football ring, he had played football, and I remember 461 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: when I lost him. He went to become the US 462 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 1: Marshal for the Northern District of Georgia, and just a great, 463 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 1: great man, relentless his whole team. That's when I first 464 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: really learned whether the US Marshals do so. Sheriff, could 465 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 1: you walk us through if you don't mind. I know 466 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: you know what the back of your hand. But everybody 467 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,959 Speaker 1: wants to know how this thing went down. We know 468 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: how they get out of the jail, We know how 469 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 1: she planned it for weeks and weeks and weeks. We 470 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: know they left in the orange getaway car, and that 471 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: they swapped the patrol car with a getaway car in 472 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: a shopping mall, shopping strip center. But then what happened, Well, 473 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: they obviously headed north, you had trouble with that car, 474 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: bought the truck from there, apparently went to as Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait, 475 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 1: you got me drinking out of the fire hyja too much, 476 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: too fast? Yes, you told us you thought that orange 477 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: getaway car ended up with a flat So then they 478 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: see I guess nearby somebody with the fourty f one 479 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,959 Speaker 1: fifty the black truck out in their yard for sale 480 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: and they get it. What did they walk to that place? 481 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: My understanding is just right there in the general area 482 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: where the Ford Edge was abandoned. So so yes, I 483 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: think they probably walked and told the truck in the 484 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: yard for sale and bought it. But you know, the 485 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: apparently they went there freight to Evansville because my understanding, right, 486 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: I think that truck would run either on Monday or 487 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: Tuesday by that police officer up there, reported by the 488 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: car washowner, and of course it didn't come back stolen. 489 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: They got into Cadillac check into this motel, and I 490 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: really think the reason they did that, and especially paying 491 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: two weeks up front, is that they by now this 492 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: has made national news. Their pictures flastered all over news 493 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,479 Speaker 1: stations all across the country on radio shows. H you know, 494 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: so they're out there and and though that they're gonna 495 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: be easily spotted if they're out and about details them. 496 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: We should have never left the hotel, you know, and 497 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: you know, but they do. And I don't know where 498 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: they were headed when they left the hotel Monday, but 499 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: wherever it was is a bad choice on their part. 500 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: We knew that the rooms in this I think it 501 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: was a quality in were very small, very bare, with 502 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: an open closet. Not much was found in the room. 503 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: But we also know that no one, none of the guests, 504 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 1: saw Vicky White or her gailhouse lover leave go in 505 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,959 Speaker 1: or out, so there had to be some form of 506 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: delivery going in and out. I'm curious that the delivery 507 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: person saw them was suspicious because we also know that 508 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: Vicky White had tried her best to alter her appearance, 509 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: even using different wigs. In the end, she was recognized 510 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: and it's believed she took her own life or did 511 00:30:44,200 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: she listen? These are her last words. Hello, good airbags, 512 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: bon we'll get out the wrong hotel. You hear her say, 513 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: we should never have left the hotel. We should get 514 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: out and run time stories with Nancy Grace, time on airbags. Hello, 515 00:31:55,040 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: good air back to bone. You hear her say, we 516 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: should never have left the hotel. We should get out 517 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: and run straight out to Sheriff Rick Singleton. Do you 518 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: believe Vicky White took her own life? I think that's 519 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: the possibility. Um My understanding is that's that's that's what 520 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: the local authorities there in Indiana. I think that the 521 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: evidence leads up to Um. The thing about Vicky White, 522 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: uh you know, she obviously was facing criminal charities back here, 523 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: But knowing the Vicky I've known for the last seven years, 524 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: I think she was more uh I guess distraught over 525 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: having to come back here and face her family and 526 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: friends as she was the charges. Um, you know, I 527 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: think that. I mean, she she was loved by her 528 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: co workers, you know, and and uh, you know, respected 529 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: and uh you know, I think that played on her 530 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: as much as as the charges themselves. And of course 531 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: she's worked seventeen years and in an institution, she holds 532 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: what it's like to live on the other side of 533 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: the bars. Um, you know, that might have been a 534 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: factor too, But I think there is a possibility. And 535 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: then my understanding is that they feel, for you know, 536 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: pretty much certain that that happened, that she committed suicide. 537 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 1: You know, I think they're they're pretty much convinced that 538 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: what that's what happened. And I know they did an autopsy. Well, 539 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: I guess we'll know for sure when we get the 540 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: results back from that. We have been told that in 541 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 1: the end, she was found with a single gunshot wound, 542 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: and that she still had the gun in her hand. 543 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: Is that true, Sheriff, That's my understanding. You know that 544 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: I've seen some video clips were all sure at the 545 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: car and they're talking about the gun in her hand 546 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: and so forth, and the other thing I've heard about 547 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: the on some reports that she called nine one one. 548 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,320 Speaker 1: My understanding is that when the vehicle wreck, that's the 549 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,800 Speaker 1: north Star automatically called nine one one, and that's what 550 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: we're actually over hearing their conversations. I don't think she 551 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: actually knew she was being recorded by nine one one, right, 552 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 1: I don't think she did either. That is how we 553 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: get the recording that we've been playing for you everybody. 554 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: Is the nav system within that vehicle that Cadillac started 555 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:41,839 Speaker 1: up a call upon the crash and call nine one one, 556 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: is my understanding. To doctor Tim Gallagher, or medical examiner 557 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 1: for the State of Florida, Doctor Gallagher, how common is 558 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: it when someone commits suicide and I believe she was 559 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: shot in the head, that they can hold onto the gun. Well, 560 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:03,439 Speaker 1: that's typically we find when somebody commits suicide that way, 561 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: while they're in the seated position. So typically their hand 562 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: would fall down to their side, and because of primitive 563 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 1: neurological actions that are still going on in their hand, 564 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: their hand tends to clench, they tend to make a fist, 565 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,800 Speaker 1: and then they make a fist around that gun and 566 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: it's still it's still found in their hand, even with 567 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 1: their fingers still pulled on the trigger. So when you're 568 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,800 Speaker 1: when you're standing, of course that's not the case. Typically, 569 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 1: typically they dropped the gun and it could be on 570 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 1: the right or the left side of them. But when 571 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: they're sitting down, or even when they're laying down on 572 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: a bed, so for instant their hand clenches around that 573 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 1: gun and they're often found with the gun still in 574 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: their hand, their fingers still on the trigger too. Lenny 575 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: to Paul former US Marshall Service Fusiitive Task Force, Lenny, 576 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: are you surprised that she killed herself? And do you 577 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: that she believed Casey White, her jailhouse lover, was going 578 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: to shoot it out and die, that they would both 579 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 1: go down in a blaze of glory. You know, Nancy, 580 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,879 Speaker 1: this eleven day man hunt. I was concerned about her 581 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:16,759 Speaker 1: all the way around. I mean, I don't know how 582 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: this thing was going to play out, considering his background, 583 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 1: his violence. I mean, he's doing life in prison, looking 584 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: at the death penalty on another case, and talking with 585 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: the commanders and these task forces. I was going back 586 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 1: and forth with them all week, and that was their 587 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: biggest worry. How is this going to end? But she 588 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: going to become a hostage. Wasn't going to be suicide 589 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,799 Speaker 1: by cop? Was it a barricaded suspect situation? So these 590 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,320 Speaker 1: guys were hitting on all cylinders and of course not 591 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,879 Speaker 1: ruling anything out. I'm a little surprised that she took 592 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 1: her own life if in fact that's the way it 593 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 1: ends up. I'm not sure. I believe the autopsy is out. 594 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 1: It was at least a few hours ago, and it 595 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: was a suicide and a self afflicted gunshot wound. But 596 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,800 Speaker 1: I do, yeah, I was. I was a little worried 597 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 1: and taking in consideration the weapons they were found in 598 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,800 Speaker 1: that vehicle, you know, and the cars that they were dumping, 599 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: whether it was flat tires and mechanical issues. I don't 600 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,319 Speaker 1: think they were transporting provisions and weapons and everything into 601 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 1: these cars. They were probably paying cash for food. She 602 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 1: was disguised wearing wigs all the time, from what I 603 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 1: understand from the investigator, So she might have when out 604 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,800 Speaker 1: got food, came back whatever was wayhing low, but she 605 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: was definitely off the grid, going dark for a little while. 606 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,760 Speaker 1: Don't believe they had any forms of communications, any devices, 607 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,800 Speaker 1: any cell phones from what I'm hearing. But you know 608 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 1: they had made ahead of plan B or a plan C, 609 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 1: but it didn't work out too well for I guarantee 610 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: you know when Lenny De Paul said guns, they were 611 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 1: armed to the hill. Fourhand guns, semi automatics nine millimeter 612 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,880 Speaker 1: known as the AAR fifteen that she used, two twenty 613 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 1: three caliber rounds. Any of them could have been used 614 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 1: to gun down a civilian or an officer. You know, 615 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 1: Sheriff Singleton, your girl was conned. She was conned. She 616 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: thought this guy loved her and somehow she was going 617 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,839 Speaker 1: to live out some manic fantasy change him to make 618 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:07,360 Speaker 1: him a good person. I guarantee you, Sheriff, she thought 619 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,880 Speaker 1: they were going to have a suicide pact. Guarantee you 620 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 1: that they had talked about going out together in a 621 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,439 Speaker 1: blaze of glory, but that is not how it went down. 622 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 1: I absolutely agree with you. Um you know how many 623 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,400 Speaker 1: times have we seen this happen in our jails and prisons, 624 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 1: you know, where especially a female creaking gaulser is conned 625 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:38,120 Speaker 1: and wood, you know, and to thinking that you know 626 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 1: that they are somehow special for this inmate. And you know, 627 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 1: Casey White, if you watch the footage of him, I 628 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,919 Speaker 1: mean even at the scene, there no no visible sign, 629 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:54,840 Speaker 1: no body language of any or more any any grief 630 00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:00,360 Speaker 1: or whatever that his quote wife had just shot herself. 631 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,839 Speaker 1: You know, it just you, like a lot of other things, 632 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 1: you just don't understand why people keep falling for it, 633 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 1: you know, Sheriff Man, Yeah, go ahead, Karen Star. He 634 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: in my mind had a smirk on his face. He 635 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 1: wasn't crying, as Sheriff Singleton is pointing out, He's not 636 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 1: moaning about his wife nothing. And I'm not surprised at all. 637 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 1: When we talked the other day, I said, this man's 638 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 1: office mids he's really dangerous and there's not just physical abuse, 639 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,640 Speaker 1: there's emotional I don't know how much he got her 640 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 1: to believe that they were going to do this part, 641 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:41,360 Speaker 1: just like the sheriff said, together and actually in their lives. 642 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,160 Speaker 1: And I'm not surprised he was smirking because there's a 643 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,760 Speaker 1: guy who has no feeling he can commit submit murder, 644 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 1: so what wife, that's ridiculous. He could care less. Final 645 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,280 Speaker 1: thought to the Sheriff Singleton, I'm glad he's off the street. 646 00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,919 Speaker 1: You know, appreciate all the help, especially from the media. 647 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 1: I think the media played a key role in driving 648 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,800 Speaker 1: them underground and and you know, once they let somewhere 649 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 1: for a while, that gave our investigators time to follow 650 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:14,319 Speaker 1: up on the leads and tips and actually locate them. 651 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,320 Speaker 1: And we couldn't have done it without the media and 652 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,399 Speaker 1: without the tips from the public. Uh. That's that's true 653 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,880 Speaker 1: in any kind of criminal investigation. I mean, the public 654 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,000 Speaker 1: so important, and in a case like this, I can't 655 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 1: stress enough the importance of the media cooperating and helping 656 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:30,920 Speaker 1: us get the word out there. I think it was 657 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 1: a major factor. Justice unfolds as Casey White now facing 658 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:41,080 Speaker 1: life behind bars or worse. Nancy Grace comp story signing 659 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:41,279 Speaker 1: off