WEBVTT - Short Stuff: The Body in the Cylinder

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, you welcome to the short Stuff. I'm Josh. There's

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck and Jerry's lurking there on mute, just hanging around

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<v Speaker 1>being a weirdo, looking all weird. And this is short stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>As I said, already, we should tell everyone. The other day,

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<v Speaker 1>it was kind of funny. We were recording and about

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<v Speaker 1>five minutes in Jerry somehow a muted herself and she

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<v Speaker 1>was in some sort of a conference call. We couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>get ahold of her and it was just like, shut up. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, she wasn't recording, but it was very distracting

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<v Speaker 1>to us. And that's the important thing, you know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a thing in my brain where they're and

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<v Speaker 1>this happens a lot when you have a kid, Like

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<v Speaker 1>You'll be listening to music and then she'll come in

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<v Speaker 1>with some dumb toy that's playing different music and it

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<v Speaker 1>it just it breaks my brain and makes me want

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<v Speaker 1>to break things. It's not good. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>it is. It's a big trigger. Yeah. Well, I like

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<v Speaker 1>the anecdote. It was very charmed. Right now, we're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be able to get to the end of

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<v Speaker 1>this episode. Alright, let's do it. We've wasted Uh, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know a minute. So all right, well let's start

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<v Speaker 1>by talking about the Blitz, because that's kind of where

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<v Speaker 1>the story technically begins. And the Blitz is like this,

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<v Speaker 1>the German bombing of England, and Germany really really bombed

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<v Speaker 1>England in general. But most people think of London being

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<v Speaker 1>bombed the most as the Blitz. That's not entirely true. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>London was for sure bombed a lot. We don't want to,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, take anything away from what they suffered. But Liverpool,

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<v Speaker 1>I think was number two in England is getting walloped

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<v Speaker 1>by the Germans. And there's a there's a place in

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<v Speaker 1>Liverpool where after the bombing they I think it's near

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<v Speaker 1>uh what was then called Great Homer Street. And after

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<v Speaker 1>the bombing they kind of left it that way for

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<v Speaker 1>a little while because I think everyone was just recuperating

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<v Speaker 1>from the war. And then in nine some American soul

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<v Speaker 1>just finally started clearing out this area and found a

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<v Speaker 1>little something interesting. Yeah, well at first they didn't think

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<v Speaker 1>it was interesting. It was part of the rubble that

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<v Speaker 1>was cleared out by those American soldiers, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>a long tube of cylinder um. Let me say this

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<v Speaker 1>found something that would prove to be interesting exactly, but

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<v Speaker 1>we are in agreement that at the time they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>think it was interesting at all. Yeah, it just looked

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<v Speaker 1>like a tube, you know. I think it was a

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<v Speaker 1>little under seven ft long um less than two feet

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<v Speaker 1>in diameter, and it was just made of steel. It

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<v Speaker 1>just looked like some big, dumb thing. But apparently it

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<v Speaker 1>was heavy enough and big enough that rather than being

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<v Speaker 1>removed with all the other rubble, it just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>got left in the area and became kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>fixture in this little little part of the neighborhood, so

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<v Speaker 1>much so that people would like sit on it as

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<v Speaker 1>a bench sometimes and children would play on it and

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<v Speaker 1>roll it along and all that stuff. And that's the

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<v Speaker 1>way it stayed for at least a good two years

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<v Speaker 1>between ninety three when they cleared out the rubble in

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<v Speaker 1>when something kind of big happened. Yeah, I think one

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<v Speaker 1>end was sort of factory sealed, and one end was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of uh stamped shut by the bulldozers and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that we're clearing stuff out. And over time over those

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years, that end that was sort of stamp

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<v Speaker 1>shut kind of worked its way loose a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>just enough for a little kid that was climbing on

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<v Speaker 1>it to see a bony skeletal foot. Yeah, a little

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<v Speaker 1>boy named Tommy Lawless who appropriately found the skeletal foot

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<v Speaker 1>in the cylinder on a Friday. So the little boy,

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<v Speaker 1>um who went on to become Ringo star, went and

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<v Speaker 1>fetched a cop, the local cop, Robert Baile or Bailey

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<v Speaker 1>would be Bailey, I guess, but I've never seen it

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<v Speaker 1>spelled that way. Be a I L L I E. Yeah, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's Bailey, right. And he said, well, this is

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<v Speaker 1>way above my pay grade, rather famously, and went and

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<v Speaker 1>got the detectives and they all kind of came together

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<v Speaker 1>and said, what is going on here? And this mystery

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<v Speaker 1>was launched. That's right. Uh. I think it's too early

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<v Speaker 1>for a break, but that is a good cliffhanger. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought so too. I can do whatever we want. We're

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<v Speaker 1>God's here. That's right. Let's let's take an early break

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<v Speaker 1>since you set it up so well, and we'll come

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<v Speaker 1>back right after this. Alright, great cliffhanger. They find this thing,

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<v Speaker 1>they find the skeletal foot. They need to get inside

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<v Speaker 1>of it, so they get a welder to open it up,

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<v Speaker 1>and they get some corners and some forensics people in there,

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<v Speaker 1>and what they end up finding it was an entire

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<v Speaker 1>skeleton of a man about six ft tall, dude, Victorian dress,

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<v Speaker 1>and they had it was it was a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of hair still left even on the skull. And here's

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<v Speaker 1>one key that kind of flummixes me that I'll kind

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<v Speaker 1>of harp on a bit later, but yeah, me too.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a brick wrapped in burlap as a little pillow. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>which to me kind of confuses a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the ideas they had of what might

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<v Speaker 1>have happened to this guy. It really does. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>weird that the brick was there and wrapped in burlap.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it was the guy who writes

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<v Speaker 1>Passing Strangest, which huge shout out um this this is

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<v Speaker 1>actually kind of a somewhat well known mystery. The body

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<v Speaker 1>and the cylinder is what it's called. But Um Passing

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<v Speaker 1>Strangeness did far, in a way, the best job of

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<v Speaker 1>kind of getting this point across. And that guy Um

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<v Speaker 1>describes it as as a pillow. So I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if that's if it was just Tamm or if that's

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<v Speaker 1>generally what it's love, but it is very weird that

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<v Speaker 1>it was there and in that position. Do we have

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<v Speaker 1>his name? From what I can tell, the guy who

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<v Speaker 1>wrote that, and probably the guy who has the the

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<v Speaker 1>blog Passing Strangeres, which seems to be defunct, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a shame because it's pretty interesting. UM is named Paul Dry.

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<v Speaker 1>At the very least, that's the name of the person

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<v Speaker 1>who's accepting um compliments on the comments under the blog.

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<v Speaker 1>But you want to hear something truly bizarre, Chuck. Sure.

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<v Speaker 1>There is a little tag called trackbacks. One of them

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<v Speaker 1>is Indonesia Blowing Up Boats and C g I Pompeii.

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<v Speaker 1>Another's fishing Shop. The third one is s y s

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<v Speaker 1>K Internet Roundup. Really isn't that cool? Does that mean

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<v Speaker 1>we covered this before? No? I think this guy UM

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<v Speaker 1>is just a fan. I don't think the trackbacks mean anything.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's saying, like, go check this out. Maybe,

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<v Speaker 1>I hope, let's find out. Well that's small world. So

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<v Speaker 1>all right, they've got this body in there, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of other stuff in there, and we'll kind

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<v Speaker 1>of just list out what else was in this cylinder

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<v Speaker 1>with the skeleton. UM, they discovered a London north Western

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<v Speaker 1>Railway notice that had a tag about arrival of some

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<v Speaker 1>goods that was dated June five. I think there was

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<v Speaker 1>a postcard from Birmingham dated July three, eight five, a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of diaries which they couldn't read. It was illegible.

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<v Speaker 1>I would guess just sort of damage to time would

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<v Speaker 1>be my guess. Uh. And then they found some papers

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<v Speaker 1>and this proved to be I guess the biggest key.

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<v Speaker 1>They found some papers under the body, um, one of

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<v Speaker 1>which was a receipt and account sheets for a company T. C.

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<v Speaker 1>Williams and Company, and then some other kind of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that didn't prove to be useful, right right. One of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that got me though, is that it was

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<v Speaker 1>found in a bunch of grave wax, like a pool

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<v Speaker 1>or puddle of grave wax from the body decomposing onto

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<v Speaker 1>the papers. That's called yeah, grave wax. I think we

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<v Speaker 1>ran into it for Center Urban Explorers episode because like,

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<v Speaker 1>people find it in catacombs, but it's um the what's

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<v Speaker 1>astounding is that these coroners from the mid century were

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<v Speaker 1>able to kind of um uh get the papers back

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<v Speaker 1>in tax so that they could read them again. That's

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<v Speaker 1>astounding to me. Pretty cool. They also did find that

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<v Speaker 1>his skull was damaged, but I think they thought that

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of due to the bulldozing and trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get the body out of there, that's right, or the cylinder. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So there didn't seem to be any any um evidence

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<v Speaker 1>of violence. There was just a dead body. So they

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<v Speaker 1>have no idea what happened to this guy. And at

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<v Speaker 1>first I guess the coroner thought, um, this is like

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a ten year old cadaver that we're looking at.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody else said, um, what about every other piece of

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<v Speaker 1>evidence that that you've discovered along with this guy? And

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, well, technically somebody could have dressed up like

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<v Speaker 1>a Victorian person in and gotten a bunch of old

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<v Speaker 1>papers and keys and stuff in a ring, and um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, died within the last ten years. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think everyone kind of said, you know, that's bosch. The

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<v Speaker 1>coroner wasn't ready to give that up yet. They actually

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<v Speaker 1>investigated a theory that it could have been, um, a

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<v Speaker 1>man named TC Williams son whose name was also TC Williams,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe it was him and he just happened to

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<v Speaker 1>have some old papers with him. And they said, I

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<v Speaker 1>think we already said bosh to that, Yeah, because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think we mentioned, Uh, there was a paint manufacturing

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<v Speaker 1>plant in that area that was owned by Thomas Kreegan Williams.

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<v Speaker 1>That fit the time period. So they're like, it can't

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<v Speaker 1>be that guy, Like you said, maybe it's his son,

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<v Speaker 1>but did They ended up finding him and that went

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<v Speaker 1>in that right They found the sun his body. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the son had been buried back in nine nine and

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<v Speaker 1>leads so he was accounted for. His strange Chuck, is

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<v Speaker 1>that the older man, his father, had not been accounted for.

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<v Speaker 1>The man who owned this manufacturing plant in the eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventies and eighteen eighties in this area of Liverpool, Um

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<v Speaker 1>had suddenly just vanished right around right. Uh. They did

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<v Speaker 1>end up kind of figuring out that the tube and

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<v Speaker 1>the cylinder itself was part of a ventilation shaft, which

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<v Speaker 1>to me sort of only confused things a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Um that it was put forth and I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if this was Paul who kind of put this forth,

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<v Speaker 1>or or or general evidence that perhaps this man was

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<v Speaker 1>despondent and suicidal over the loss of the factory and

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<v Speaker 1>crawled into the shaft for final privacy. That seems a

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<v Speaker 1>little a bit of a stretch to me. Um. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it also seems like a stretch that a ventilation shaft

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<v Speaker 1>should be closed off on one side. What kind of

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<v Speaker 1>ventilation shaft is that? Yeah, I guess, But don't they

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<v Speaker 1>all end at some point they're supposed to end into

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<v Speaker 1>like the open air? You know, Like I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>just really weird, like a a a one ended a

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<v Speaker 1>ventilation shaft. It just I'm sure there's some kind out there,

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<v Speaker 1>but it just escapes me. And then the pillow also

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<v Speaker 1>seems a little weird, that brick burlap pillow. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the weirdest part to me is that that that is

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<v Speaker 1>clearly some sort of a a purposeful thing that someone

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<v Speaker 1>has done, um right, I mean like like for comfort. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but also it's like do you hate yourself to um?

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<v Speaker 1>Like a brick wrapped in burlap is not a comfy pillow.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you could use almost anything else on the planet

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<v Speaker 1>and wrap it and burlap and it will be more

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<v Speaker 1>comfortable than brick. Uh. Yeah, And they had pillows back then,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, right exactly. Um. There was another theory put

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<v Speaker 1>forth that it wasn't Williams, it was someone else that

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<v Speaker 1>was maybe murdered, uh in retaliation for that factory closing

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe they stuffed them in there and Williams maybe

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<v Speaker 1>just like disappeared after that, changed his name and skipped down.

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<v Speaker 1>Who knows. Yeah, so I think they finally closed the

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<v Speaker 1>case in nineteen forty seven, forty five, actually right up

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<v Speaker 1>right off the bat, they closed the cases that we're

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<v Speaker 1>never going to solve this um or we've totally solved it.

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<v Speaker 1>We just can't say with a percent, But they basically said,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know who it is, we don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>he died, but you can probably surmise yourself. And the

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<v Speaker 1>prevailing theory is that it was TC Williams, upon the

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<v Speaker 1>ruination of his um paint business, uh possibly took his

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<v Speaker 1>own life. The fact that he wrapped a pillow or

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<v Speaker 1>a brick and burlap and took it into ventilation shift

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<v Speaker 1>with him with all this other stuff would suggest he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't accidentally go in there and and get stuck. He

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<v Speaker 1>probably died by suicide or it was somebody else made

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<v Speaker 1>to seem like TC Williams. But the astounding fact is

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<v Speaker 1>that this happened in five. He was in that ventilation

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<v Speaker 1>chef all the way up and through the bombing of

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<v Speaker 1>Liverpool during World War Two and used to be rolled

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<v Speaker 1>around the playground by children until they finally figured out

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<v Speaker 1>he was in there. Yeah, I'm sure there was more

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<v Speaker 1>than one adult walking around that remembers playing on that trip.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I know. Um. And then a very special

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<v Speaker 1>shout out to Josh and Chuck from the past because

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out, Chuck, we did talk about this in

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<v Speaker 1>an Internet roundup which explains the track back, So this

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<v Speaker 1>is probably the last time we'll ever talk about the body,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think memory of that, I think this is

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<v Speaker 1>the best version. I don't either, and plus no one

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<v Speaker 1>saw an Internet round up anyway, so I think we're

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<v Speaker 1>all good. Enjoyed that show. But big thanks and hats

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<v Speaker 1>off to Passing Strangeness for making such a great blog post.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you haven't been on that blog yet, go

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<v Speaker 1>it's very good. And since I said that, that means

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