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Speaker 1: Hey, you welcome to the short Stuff. I'm Josh. There's

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Speaker 1: Chuck and Jerry's lurking there on mute, just hanging around

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Speaker 1: being a weirdo, looking all weird. And this is short stuff.

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Speaker 1: As I said, already, we should tell everyone. The other day,

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Speaker 1: it was kind of funny. We were recording and about

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Speaker 1: five minutes in Jerry somehow a muted herself and she

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Speaker 1: was in some sort of a conference call. We couldn't

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Speaker 1: I mean, she wasn't recording, but it was very distracting

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Speaker 1: to us. And that's the important thing, you know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I have a thing in my brain where they're and

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Speaker 1: this happens a lot when you have a kid, Like

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Speaker 1: You'll be listening to music and then she'll come in

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Speaker 1: it just it breaks my brain and makes me want

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Speaker 1: to break things. It's not good. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: it is. It's a big trigger. Yeah. Well, I like

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Speaker 1: the anecdote. It was very charmed. Right now, we're not

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Speaker 1: this episode. Alright, let's do it. We've wasted Uh, I

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Speaker 1: by talking about the Blitz, because that's kind of where

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Speaker 1: the story technically begins. And the Blitz is like this,

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Speaker 1: the German bombing of England, and Germany really really bombed

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Speaker 1: England in general. But most people think of London being

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Speaker 1: bombed the most as the Blitz. That's not entirely true. Well,

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Speaker 1: London was for sure bombed a lot. We don't want to,

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Speaker 1: you know, take anything away from what they suffered. But Liverpool,

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Speaker 1: I think was number two in England is getting walloped

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Speaker 1: by the Germans. And there's a there's a place in

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Speaker 1: Liverpool where after the bombing they I think it's near

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Speaker 1: uh what was then called Great Homer Street. And after

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Speaker 1: a little while because I think everyone was just recuperating

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Speaker 1: just finally started clearing out this area and found a

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Speaker 1: it was interesting. It was part of the rubble that

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Speaker 1: was cleared out by those American soldiers, but it was

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Speaker 1: a long tube of cylinder um. Let me say this

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Speaker 1: found something that would prove to be interesting exactly, but

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Speaker 1: we are in agreement that at the time they didn't

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Speaker 1: roll it along and all that stuff. And that's the

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Speaker 1: way it stayed for at least a good two years

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Speaker 1: between ninety three when they cleared out the rubble in

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Speaker 1: when something kind of big happened. Yeah, I think one

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Speaker 1: it to see a bony skeletal foot. Yeah, a little

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Speaker 1: fetched a cop, the local cop, Robert Baile or Bailey

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Speaker 1: would be Bailey, I guess, but I've never seen it

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Speaker 1: that's that's Bailey, right. And he said, well, this is

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Speaker 1: was launched. That's right. Uh. I think it's too early

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Speaker 1: back right after this. Alright, great cliffhanger. They find this thing,

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Speaker 1: one key that kind of flummixes me that I'll kind

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Speaker 1: There was a brick wrapped in burlap as a little pillow. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: which to me kind of confuses a lot of the

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Speaker 1: weird that the brick was there and wrapped in burlap.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it was the guy who writes

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Speaker 1: Passing Strangest, which huge shout out um this this is

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Speaker 1: actually kind of a somewhat well known mystery. The body

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Speaker 1: it was there and in that position. Do we have

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Speaker 1: his name? From what I can tell, the guy who

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Speaker 1: a shame because it's pretty interesting. UM is named Paul Dry.

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Speaker 1: At the very least, that's the name of the person

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Speaker 1: who's accepting um compliments on the comments under the blog.

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Speaker 1: But you want to hear something truly bizarre, Chuck. Sure.

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Speaker 1: There is a little tag called trackbacks. One of them

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Speaker 1: is Indonesia Blowing Up Boats and C g I Pompeii.

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Speaker 1: K Internet Roundup. Really isn't that cool? Does that mean

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Speaker 1: we covered this before? No? I think this guy UM

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Speaker 1: I think he's saying, like, go check this out. Maybe,

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Speaker 1: all right, they've got this body in there, and there's

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Speaker 1: of just list out what else was in this cylinder

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Speaker 1: with the skeleton. UM, they discovered a London north Western

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Speaker 1: Everybody else said, um, what about every other piece of

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Speaker 1: he's like, well, technically somebody could have dressed up like

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Speaker 1: Like a brick wrapped in burlap is not a comfy pillow.

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Speaker 1: you know, right exactly. Um. There was another theory put

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Speaker 1: We just can't say with a percent, But they basically said,

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Speaker 1: prevailing theory is that it was TC Williams, upon the

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Speaker 1: ruination of his um paint business, uh possibly took his

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Speaker 1: probably died by suicide or it was somebody else made

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Speaker 1: that this happened in five. He was in that ventilation

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Speaker 1: he was in there. Yeah, I'm sure there was more

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Speaker 1: I know, I know. Um. And then a very special

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Speaker 1: it turns out, Chuck, we did talk about this in

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Speaker 1: an Internet roundup which explains the track back, So this

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Speaker 1: is probably the last time we'll ever talk about the body,

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Speaker 1: and I think memory of that, I think this is

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Speaker 1: all good. Enjoyed that show. But big thanks and hats

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Speaker 1: off to Passing Strangeness for making such a great blog post.

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