WEBVTT - The Orion Spacecraft

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<v Speaker 1>Brought to you by Toyota. Let's go places. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>Forward Thinking, and Welcome to Forward Thinking, the podcast that

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<v Speaker 1>looks at the future and says he's just a guy

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<v Speaker 1>made of dots and lines. I'm Jonathan Strickland, I'm Lauren

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<v Speaker 1>foc Obon, and I'm Joe McCormick. Hey, guys, how are

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<v Speaker 1>you doing today? I'm out of this world? Oh I

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<v Speaker 1>see what he did there. We're talking today about Oriyan

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<v Speaker 1>the spacecraft. Yeah, the constellation, though someone might be led

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<v Speaker 1>to believe the constellation because I think you were just

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<v Speaker 1>talking about connecting dots and lines. Maybe that might have

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<v Speaker 1>been a song about it. Well, what is the Orion spacecraft?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I saw some people going nuts about it on

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<v Speaker 1>the internet the other day. Yeah, including coworkers. Absolutely. Well, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so myself, you saw yourself. It was an out of

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<v Speaker 1>body experience. Um yeah. Yeah. On on Friday December at

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<v Speaker 1>seven oh five a m. The Orion Exploration Flight Test

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<v Speaker 1>one launched from Kennedy Space Center in Cape Canaveral, Florida. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>This was an important step in a very long and

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<v Speaker 1>winding Uh. Well, I would say road, but really, spacecraft

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<v Speaker 1>don't take those that often well, in this particular test

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<v Speaker 1>flight was not a very long and winding road, was it,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean where it didn't go out to Jupiter or something. Uh? No,

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<v Speaker 1>it circled the Earth twice uh and then splashed down

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<v Speaker 1>the Pacific Ocean off the coast Baja California at a

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<v Speaker 1>mirror four hours later at nine am at Eastern Standard time.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was so excited to watch that I was

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<v Speaker 1>actually watching it live streaming. I was feigning my ignorance,

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<v Speaker 1>I was. I was sadly I was talking about it

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<v Speaker 1>on camera without being able to actually watch it. I

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<v Speaker 1>knew that I knew it had been successfully launched, but

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<v Speaker 1>I had not been able to actually watch it. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the that's the futurist equivalent of being a sad clown.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't it talking about you can't watch the present because

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about the future. Yeah, that was you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that was kind of where I was going with that. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I also like to have my portrait on on velvet thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I like, Well, anyway, this test flight I thought was

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<v Speaker 1>really inspiring and exciting. And you might be asking, what's

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<v Speaker 1>the big deal? They were just flying some space vehicle.

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<v Speaker 1>Wasn't like there was anybody in it. Right, Well, to

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<v Speaker 1>know what the big deal is, you got to know

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<v Speaker 1>some history. So so we got to back up and

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<v Speaker 1>then we'll get to the big deal. Right. So December nineteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy two, was a momentous day, an important day

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<v Speaker 1>in the world's space exploration work. It was the day

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<v Speaker 1>when the Apollo seventeen spacecraft splashed down in the Pacific. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this marked the end of a mission that sent astronauts

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<v Speaker 1>to the Moon. Those astronauts being John Young, Charles Duke Jr.

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<v Speaker 1>And Stewart Russa. And they were the last human beings

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<v Speaker 1>to ever go beyond low Earth orbit. That's right, So

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<v Speaker 1>not just the last human beings to go to the

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<v Speaker 1>Moon so far, but the last to go more than

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<v Speaker 1>a few hundred miles beyond the surface of the Earth. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about what low Earth orbit means, because there's

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<v Speaker 1>there's it's terminology that isn't I mean, like orbit is

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<v Speaker 1>pretty high, right, And and also just the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, things like definitions like space outer space, where

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<v Speaker 1>does that begin? They all get a little fuzzy because

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<v Speaker 1>there's not like a you know, there's not like a sign.

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<v Speaker 1>And if do you pass a certain point, the science

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<v Speaker 1>has welcome to outer space. But but these are the

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<v Speaker 1>designations we have given specific areas of orbit around the Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>So low Eer the orbit, that's where a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>our space stuff is, Like the International Space Station, the

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<v Speaker 1>Hubble Space Telescope, these are all in low Earth orbit.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not further out, and that ends at about two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand kilometers out from the US of the Earth, so

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<v Speaker 1>one thousand, two hundred forty three point seven miles. I

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<v Speaker 1>always forget how close exactly the International Space Station really is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's only a mirror like four hundred and thirty

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<v Speaker 1>one kilometers a k a. Two hundred and sixty eight

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<v Speaker 1>miles above the surface of the area. Yeah, it's close

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<v Speaker 1>enough where you can actually see it when it passes overhead. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's very close. Especially it is zoomed out view. If

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<v Speaker 1>you were to step way back from the Earth and look,

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<v Speaker 1>it's sort of like in the upper sky. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty amazing that how close it is relatively speaking. Next,

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<v Speaker 1>that we have the medium Earth orbit, because if you

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<v Speaker 1>have lowerth orbit, there's got to be something else, right,

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<v Speaker 1>There's gotta be some other designation. Medium Earth orbit extends

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<v Speaker 1>out to thirty five thousand, seven six kilometers or twenty

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand, two hundred thirty six miles. So from two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand kilometers to thirty five thousand, seven six that's medium

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<v Speaker 1>Earth orbit. We're talking about a much larger area than

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<v Speaker 1>lowerth orbit, right, and you're gonna notice that every time

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<v Speaker 1>we go a little further out the actual area that

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<v Speaker 1>we designate gets larger. So is this where you would

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<v Speaker 1>find geosynchronous satellites exactly? This is where satellites that are

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<v Speaker 1>in geosynchronous orbit inhabit, and those were placed there by

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<v Speaker 1>unmanned missions. It's not like we flew some spacecraft out there,

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<v Speaker 1>astronauts popped out plopped to satellite into geosynchronous orbits. That

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<v Speaker 1>all right, good work, boys, let's go on home, clock out.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not the way that works. Uh. Further out from

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<v Speaker 1>there you have high Earth orbit, which goes way way

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<v Speaker 1>out where you know, including things like the Moon, which

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<v Speaker 1>is three hundred eighty four thousand, four hundred kilometers or

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<v Speaker 1>two nine hundred miles away from the surface of the Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's you know, a really good johnt. And like

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<v Speaker 1>we said, space Shuttle program only stayed in lower th orbit.

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<v Speaker 1>Never went beyond it. Only twenty four human beings have

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<v Speaker 1>ever been beyond lowerth orbit, and those are the people

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<v Speaker 1>who are in the Apollo program. Now, this is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of weird if you were a space enthusiast and you

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<v Speaker 1>don't often consider the fact, but it has been more

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<v Speaker 1>than forty years since humans went beyond I think the

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<v Speaker 1>farthest they've been since the end of the Apollo program

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<v Speaker 1>was to service the Hubble Space Telescope. I think you

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<v Speaker 1>might be right on that. I could be wrong if

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<v Speaker 1>you're a NASA geek out there with awesome knowledge about

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<v Speaker 1>anybody went a little bit farther than that. But definitely,

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<v Speaker 1>no one's been beyond low Earth orbit. Right, we have

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<v Speaker 1>stayed really really close to the surface of the Earth

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<v Speaker 1>for more than forty years humans have. Yeah, yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>and the question yeah, of course. We meanwhile have Voyager

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<v Speaker 1>leaving the Solar System. So it took us like six

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<v Speaker 1>or seven tries to say, okay, voyagers left the Solars.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait wait, wait, wait, alright now, now Voyager left the

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<v Speaker 1>Solar System two years ago, right, exactly the part right,

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<v Speaker 1>the best part. I was like, Okay, we can now

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<v Speaker 1>confirm for a fact that two years ago. But the

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<v Speaker 1>interesting thing to me is that imagine that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're none of us were alive when the Apollo mission

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<v Speaker 1>went to the Moon. Even even me, despite what you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to hear in a future podcast, I was not

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<v Speaker 1>alive in nineteen seventy two. But can you imagine if

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<v Speaker 1>you were alive during that era where we were sending

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<v Speaker 1>missions to the Moon, and sent multiple missions to the Moon,

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<v Speaker 1>that would you imagine that for the next four decades

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<v Speaker 1>we wouldn't send anyone further out. That seems like that

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<v Speaker 1>was going backward. Yeah, it's like we've retreated from battle

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<v Speaker 1>with space. Yea space space right, space slapped us around

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit, and we said, you know what, we

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<v Speaker 1>need to figure this out before we try it again.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, you know, there are definitely conversations to have,

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<v Speaker 1>like whether or not manned space exploration is a real

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<v Speaker 1>benefit compared to something like the robotics approach. All those

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<v Speaker 1>conversations we have had multiple times on this podcast. We

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<v Speaker 1>just want to talk about the new approach until once

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<v Speaker 1>again go beyond low Earth orbit. And that's what the

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<v Speaker 1>Orion spacecraft is all about. Right, So the big deal

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<v Speaker 1>is this is how human beings are going to get

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<v Speaker 1>way the heck out there in the future, at least

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<v Speaker 1>the ones who are going on NASA's time. Right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's this and listening to Timothy Leary, So the as

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<v Speaker 1>an overview of the Orion Crew Vehicle project, you actually

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<v Speaker 1>need to go back a little bit too, because it

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<v Speaker 1>kind of evolved over time. So in the mid two thousand's,

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<v Speaker 1>that's when NASA unveiled a proposal for a continued human

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<v Speaker 1>exploration of space, originally called the Vision for Space Exploration. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this was a big thing during George W. Bush's administration.

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<v Speaker 1>It was really inspiring. It was this very ambitious plan,

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<v Speaker 1>and then there was a change of leadership at NASA

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<v Speaker 1>and it became even more ambitious. It became it was

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<v Speaker 1>renamed into the Constellation Project, and as a part of

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<v Speaker 1>that renaming, they also decided to rename the the Crew

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<v Speaker 1>Exploration Vehicle and call it Orian Exploration Vehicle. I I

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<v Speaker 1>don't believe we said, but that was the name that

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<v Speaker 1>the shuttle was going to have. Yeah, well his name,

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<v Speaker 1>thank yeah, so, but exactly that's what it was going

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<v Speaker 1>to be, the Crew Exploration Vehicle. Now it's called Orian. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And and because again Orian was also a constellation apart

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<v Speaker 1>from the place in mythology, and plans were that it

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<v Speaker 1>would fly by two thousand fourteen, at least in tests,

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<v Speaker 1>which turns out actually came to pass despite a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of changes in the program. So originally, before the Orion

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be built, there was going to be

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<v Speaker 1>another space vehicle called the orbital space plane. And before

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<v Speaker 1>that there was going to be any different space vehicle

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<v Speaker 1>that was unnamed, but it was going to be built

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<v Speaker 1>by lockeed Martin. There was going to be a suborbital

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<v Speaker 1>space plane. So those were more like direct Shuttle replacements

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<v Speaker 1>than a deep space spacecraft. So just to clarify, I

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<v Speaker 1>think what you said is pretty good, But can you

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<v Speaker 1>clarify the difference between a spacecraft and a space plane. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>space plane tends to be suborbital or very lower th orbit. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and so there's altitude only goes out so far. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>as a replacement for the Shuttle program, it could also

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<v Speaker 1>be a delivery system for smaller craft that would be

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<v Speaker 1>piggybacking onto the suborbital plane. So you would have a

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<v Speaker 1>sub orbital plane takeoff, reach an extremely high altitude, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you would have a second launch off of the

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<v Speaker 1>plane of a smaller craft that would head into orbit,

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<v Speaker 1>but those plans were scrapped uh, and the Orion was

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<v Speaker 1>the new approach once that had happened. So, in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a precedent already for planned aircraft getting canceled

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<v Speaker 1>before it got to the full build out stage. So

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<v Speaker 1>there was no guarantee that Orion wasn't going to suffer

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<v Speaker 1>the same fate. So what's the Constellation project gonna do? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not gonna do anything now because well, the the

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<v Speaker 1>one of the many one of the one of the

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<v Speaker 1>many plans was that they were going to send a

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<v Speaker 1>return mission to the Moon by twenty uh. They were

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<v Speaker 1>also going to use the under the Constellation program, there

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<v Speaker 1>was a completion of the International Space Station planned in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh and also to extend human presence quote beyond our

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<v Speaker 1>Solar system end quote. That's pretty ambitious. Yeah, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if human presence necessarily means manned mission. Though human

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<v Speaker 1>presence maybe this was a man made object that we

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<v Speaker 1>sent beyond the Solar System. We're going to throw a ball, really,

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<v Speaker 1>unless they're working on warp drive or something, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think we're going beyond the Solar system anytime soon. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, here's the butt. The butt is that the program,

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<v Speaker 1>being incredibly ambitious, was also had problems, budgeting problems, There

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<v Speaker 1>were a lot of issues, are some political issues at NASA.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it got kind of ugly in the mid

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<v Speaker 1>to late two thousand's and by President Obama called for

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the Constellation program kind of to to

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<v Speaker 1>scrap the program m and start fresh with a new

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<v Speaker 1>approach um, largely in light of new technologies and discoveries

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<v Speaker 1>that had happened since they had started planning the Constellation program.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's incredibly disappointing for a lot of people. Others,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I've seen some folks comment and say they felt

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<v Speaker 1>that the Constellation program wasn't focused enough, and so they

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<v Speaker 1>kind of thought, well, it was a terrible thing to

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<v Speaker 1>happen to have this program scrapped, but it might have

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<v Speaker 1>been the right thing to do. I was not in

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<v Speaker 1>a place where I could comment on that one way

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<v Speaker 1>or the other. Anytime any program for science gets canceled, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I get a little sad. But at any rate, the

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<v Speaker 1>development of the Orion vehicle continued. They decided that there

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<v Speaker 1>were certain elements under the Constellation program that were worthy

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<v Speaker 1>of of continued funding, and one of those was the

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<v Speaker 1>Orion spacecraft. Another was the space launch system, which will

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<v Speaker 1>be eventually what brings Orian into space, a heavy lifting rocket.

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<v Speaker 1>For now, we're using Delta four rockets, but it'll be

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<v Speaker 1>a different launch system further down the line, but that

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<v Speaker 1>one's not ready yet at any rate. The development of

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<v Speaker 1>the Orion vehicle took place at the Johnson Space Center

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<v Speaker 1>UM and now it's called the Multi Purpose Crew Vehicle

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<v Speaker 1>the MPCV, although most people just still called Ryan and UM. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's kind of where we're at now. Like we're

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<v Speaker 1>at the phase now where it went through all the

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<v Speaker 1>design phase. It had been built out, and the test

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<v Speaker 1>that we referred to earlier took place, which proved that

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<v Speaker 1>the Orion systems are in fact space worthy, which is

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<v Speaker 1>pretty cool. That is super cool. Yes, yeah, it is, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's pretty I was very excited to see this

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<v Speaker 1>thing tested. I was too, I remember. So it was

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<v Speaker 1>originally going to be launched on a Thursday morning, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and then that Thursday morning there was some weather issues,

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<v Speaker 1>there were some boats. I think that we're maybe kind

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<v Speaker 1>of too close to the launch site that there was

0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:07.000
<v Speaker 1>there was also a technical issue with the spacecraft itself

0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:09.800
<v Speaker 1>some of the latches. They couldn't get a read on

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<v Speaker 1>whether the latches had disengaged properly, so they had to

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<v Speaker 1>they essentially had to do a control all delete on

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<v Speaker 1>the system. They really did reboot the system. It was

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<v Speaker 1>the It was the equivalent of turning it off and

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<v Speaker 1>on again. Um, And they just could not get everything

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<v Speaker 1>in line before the launch window closed. Because there's only

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<v Speaker 1>in order for them to actually do the missions they

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<v Speaker 1>have planned, they have to launch in very specific windows

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<v Speaker 1>of time, so they had to scrap it for twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four hours. The next launch window opened at seven oh

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<v Speaker 1>five a m. On Friday morning, and that's exactly when

0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:43.160
<v Speaker 1>they launched. They did not waste any time. So by

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<v Speaker 1>the time I went to go and shoot my video

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<v Speaker 1>about the Orion spacecraft, I already knew that the launch

0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:50.480
<v Speaker 1>was successful, but I did not know if the splashdown

0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:54.240
<v Speaker 1>would be. Yeah, we keep talking about this Orion capsule.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get into what's inside of it and what makes

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<v Speaker 1>it go. Yeah, I was wondering how similar in the

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<v Speaker 1>end it's going to be to the kinds of crew

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<v Speaker 1>capsules we saw in the Apollo missions. Well, certainly the

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<v Speaker 1>exterior looks very similar, right, yeah, absolutely on purpose. In fact,

0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:15.840
<v Speaker 1>the designers and engineers really wanted to mirror that that familiar,

0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:19.440
<v Speaker 1>kind of nostalgic design that was used in Apollo, except

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<v Speaker 1>you know, update it with the modern materials and technologies

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<v Speaker 1>that we have in our hands today, right right, So,

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<v Speaker 1>and and I mean those some things on it are

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<v Speaker 1>not quite as contemporary as you would think for interesting reasons,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll get to that later. Well, the interesting thing

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<v Speaker 1>to me is that, I mean the Apollo spacecraft worked.

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<v Speaker 1>It worked well. I mean the re entry into the

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<v Speaker 1>atmosphere like one time, it didn't well more than one time,

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<v Speaker 1>if we're going to be truly technical, because Apollo one

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<v Speaker 1>was a terrible disaster, but that was that was a

0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:52.360
<v Speaker 1>test flight that went terribly wrong. But the the the

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<v Speaker 1>design of the craft was and kind of elegant in

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<v Speaker 1>its simplicity for the issue of re entry, right, They

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<v Speaker 1>had a specific design that allowed it to re enter

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<v Speaker 1>the your's atmosphere in a specific orientation, and that was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty remarkable. So yeah, yeah, I should have I should

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<v Speaker 1>have also mentioned that that it wasn't just that it

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<v Speaker 1>you know, looked real cute. They it's also a very

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<v Speaker 1>effective shape for a capsule to be exactly. Yeah. So

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<v Speaker 1>so if you were to look at the the launch

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<v Speaker 1>of this, if you go back and watch the video

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<v Speaker 1>and you take a look and you see this rocket,

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<v Speaker 1>it's got this tall like tapered spire type uh cap

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<v Speaker 1>to it, and you're looking for the Orion spacecraft like

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<v Speaker 1>the actual module, you're gonna not see it because it's

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<v Speaker 1>actually it is kept. It's kind of think of it

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<v Speaker 1>like a cap of a pen. The very top of

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<v Speaker 1>the the launch system is actually a launch abort system. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a device that is meant to help the

0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:58.480
<v Speaker 1>Orion spacecraft um uh escape if something were to go

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<v Speaker 1>wrong at any point to the launch, even if it's

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<v Speaker 1>on the launch pad itself, So from the launch pad

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<v Speaker 1>all the way up into when the separation would happen

0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:12.040
<v Speaker 1>between the Oriyan uh, the the well, the service module

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<v Speaker 1>and the rocket. Right. So it's got its own set

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<v Speaker 1>of thrusters. It's actually got three different motors on it.

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<v Speaker 1>One is the jettison motor that's just used to jettison

0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:26.399
<v Speaker 1>the launch aboard system from the Oriyan crew module because

0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:29.000
<v Speaker 1>eventually you're gonna need to remove that cap if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to do something like, I don't know, look out

0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:34.040
<v Speaker 1>the window, because otherwise you're just gonna see the interior

0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:37.360
<v Speaker 1>of the launcherboard system cap on there. So the adjacent

0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:39.720
<v Speaker 1>motor pulls the system away from the crew module once

0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:43.000
<v Speaker 1>the two detached, when they reach the proper altitude. Then

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<v Speaker 1>you have the attitude control motor that allows for steering,

0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:49.720
<v Speaker 1>so if you need to steer at all um you

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<v Speaker 1>can use those. And then you've got the abort motor

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<v Speaker 1>that's specifically in the case of an emergency, which can

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<v Speaker 1>propel the module away from the launch pad or just

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<v Speaker 1>the launch delivery system should something really go wrong. It

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<v Speaker 1>can deploy in milliseconds. So as soon as a problem

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<v Speaker 1>is detected. And they've tested this out already, they've done

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<v Speaker 1>tests of the launch a board system, they can activate it.

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<v Speaker 1>The thrusters will fire and they're pretty powerful. I mean

0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:16.480
<v Speaker 1>they can propel a crew up to a height of

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<v Speaker 1>one mile at And this is a quote from NASA

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<v Speaker 1>forty two times the speed of a drag race car,

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<v Speaker 1>say the average speed of a drag race car. Again

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<v Speaker 1>Nessa's Nessa loves to use these analogies for the Ryan

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<v Speaker 1>spacecraft in general. They also said that it provides enough

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<v Speaker 1>thrust to lift twenty six elephants off the ground, But

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that they actually test elephants. Elephants your

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<v Speaker 1>your average every day every every Joe elephant talking elephants.

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<v Speaker 1>A yeah. I immediately went to like, is that an

0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:57.119
<v Speaker 1>African or European? Of course, the African elephants are non migratory. Yeah,

0:18:57.320 --> 0:19:00.280
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna get into a whole money players something now, folks, now,

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<v Speaker 1>but then you're right, Um, it is interesting that it

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<v Speaker 1>has this very powerful aboard system. Well that's important because

0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:11.040
<v Speaker 1>we've seen space launches turn very tragic. Exactly. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's interesting that it's it's one of the elements

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<v Speaker 1>that NASA was very much UM stressing was an important part,

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<v Speaker 1>which you know, is kind of a departure from earlier

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<v Speaker 1>launch aboard systems which were a little more rudimentary and

0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:33.600
<v Speaker 1>not necessarily as effective. So UM, at any rate, once

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<v Speaker 1>you get to the point where it it uh detaches,

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<v Speaker 1>that's important. You know, you can't have it on perpetually

0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:43.560
<v Speaker 1>because that cap actually covers the part of the crew

0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:46.680
<v Speaker 1>module where the parachutes would deploy, so you can't re

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<v Speaker 1>enter the ourt's atmosphere with that that launch aboard system on.

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<v Speaker 1>It has to be able to detach from the capsule

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<v Speaker 1>in order for you to be able to descend properly,

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<v Speaker 1>to have a controlled descent. Okay, I have another question. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's assume you're an astronaut who's incredib bleak claustrophobic. Okay,

0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:05.000
<v Speaker 1>it sounds like you've gone into the wrong profession. Not

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<v Speaker 1>sure how you got through training. How tighter the quarters

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<v Speaker 1>in the new crew module? Okay, So within the crew module,

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<v Speaker 1>you have three sixteen cubic feet of space to move

0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:20.640
<v Speaker 1>around in. That's about nine cubic meters. It's not a lot. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And it is a crew module that can hold up

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<v Speaker 1>to four astronauts. So with a full component crew component,

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<v Speaker 1>you would have four people in three sixteen cubic feet

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<v Speaker 1>of space. It's not a lot of space. You would

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<v Speaker 1>be working in pretty close quarters for quite some time.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember this is a deep space space. You're going to Mars.

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<v Speaker 1>You're going to be in a space this big for

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<v Speaker 1>eight months better part of a year. Yeah, so that's

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<v Speaker 1>a long time to be hanging out in a small

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<v Speaker 1>room with three other people. Uh, it's they've got a

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<v Speaker 1>ping pong table. Yeah. So the bottom of the crew

0:20:57.600 --> 0:21:00.199
<v Speaker 1>module itself, which, by the way, if you look the

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<v Speaker 1>animations of Orion flying through space, you're gonna see that

0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:06.879
<v Speaker 1>it has this extended area that's got a thruster on

0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:09.040
<v Speaker 1>the back of it. That is the crew module and

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<v Speaker 1>service module together. Um. Eventually those two separate. I'll talk

0:21:12.920 --> 0:21:15.320
<v Speaker 1>about the service module more in just a second. But

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<v Speaker 1>when they do separate, when it's time for the crew

0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:22.040
<v Speaker 1>capsule to come down. Uh, that's the bottom of the

0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:24.960
<v Speaker 1>crew capsule is where the heat shield is. Yeah. The

0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:29.760
<v Speaker 1>engineers actually redeveloped Apollo's heat shield material av coat. It's

0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:33.840
<v Speaker 1>it's a brew of like fiberglass and plastics, and this

0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:36.840
<v Speaker 1>particular coating is on the yourrine is designed to with

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<v Speaker 1>stand temperatures up to uh some five thousand, five hundred

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<v Speaker 1>degrees fahrenheit. I don't have a translation for that for celsius,

0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:48.359
<v Speaker 1>but it's warm um and uh that would be the

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<v Speaker 1>re entry temperature for a return flight from Mars for example. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And then if you were to look at the full

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<v Speaker 1>the full component in the launch system, the bottom most

0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:04.280
<v Speaker 1>part part that attaches to the rocket through a an adapter, UH,

0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:08.040
<v Speaker 1>is the service module. Now the service module was built,

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<v Speaker 1>or it will the the Finnish one will finally be

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<v Speaker 1>built by the Airbus Defense and Space Company. It was

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<v Speaker 1>the one that we saw in the test flight. Was

0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:19.359
<v Speaker 1>developed by the European Space Agency, so this was a

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<v Speaker 1>partnership between NASA and the e s A. So e

0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:25.240
<v Speaker 1>s A developed it and then they've given the contract

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<v Speaker 1>to Airbus Defense and Space to do the production for

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<v Speaker 1>the later space service modules. This is the part of

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<v Speaker 1>the spacecraft that can hold unpressurized cargo, so you can

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<v Speaker 1>think of it as like the cargo hold of the

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<v Speaker 1>Space Shuttle. It's similar to that. Uh. It also supplies

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<v Speaker 1>the crew with oxygen and water as long as it's

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<v Speaker 1>attached to the crew. Module, provides propulsion to move the

0:22:47.920 --> 0:22:51.560
<v Speaker 1>spacecraft to proper orbits and course settings, etcetera, provides thermal

0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:55.600
<v Speaker 1>control to the crew, and it also generates in stores electricity.

0:22:55.640 --> 0:22:58.440
<v Speaker 1>Has a solar panel array that it can deploy once

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<v Speaker 1>you reach orbit or or you head out going right,

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<v Speaker 1>and that solar panel array is what will capture solar

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<v Speaker 1>power and convert to electricity for use on the spacecraft.

0:23:10.119 --> 0:23:12.520
<v Speaker 1>UM and then once you're coming back for re entry,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the part that gets jettison last really until the

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<v Speaker 1>and then the uh well that in the fairings around

0:23:18.440 --> 0:23:21.440
<v Speaker 1>the Orion spacecraft as well, but all that gets jettison

0:23:21.480 --> 0:23:25.600
<v Speaker 1>and then the Orion manipulates, you know, is oriented so

0:23:25.640 --> 0:23:27.760
<v Speaker 1>that the bottom faces the surface of the Earth when

0:23:27.800 --> 0:23:31.240
<v Speaker 1>it starts to come back in. So that's kind of

0:23:31.240 --> 0:23:35.040
<v Speaker 1>an overview of what the systems are. Um. I've actually

0:23:35.080 --> 0:23:37.639
<v Speaker 1>looked at some pictures, some mock ups of what the

0:23:37.680 --> 0:23:40.359
<v Speaker 1>interior of the spacecraft look like. So when you're in

0:23:40.400 --> 0:23:44.840
<v Speaker 1>a launch situation, you're laying flat on your back, uh,

0:23:44.880 --> 0:23:47.439
<v Speaker 1>and that's the position you would be in, although you're

0:23:47.480 --> 0:23:49.280
<v Speaker 1>in a seated position because you're on a chair, but

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<v Speaker 1>your your back is on the what would be the

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<v Speaker 1>floor in a world with gravity, you're in a you're

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<v Speaker 1>in a diaper change position. Yeah, okay, well well, um

0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:02.840
<v Speaker 1>so so you're in that position until the until you're

0:24:02.840 --> 0:24:05.199
<v Speaker 1>able to unstrap once you're out in space, and then

0:24:05.240 --> 0:24:07.280
<v Speaker 1>you can float around all willy nilly where there is

0:24:07.280 --> 0:24:11.040
<v Speaker 1>no real upper down anymore. They probably are wearing diapers. Huh. Yeah,

0:24:11.680 --> 0:24:14.440
<v Speaker 1>there's there's stories about it all the seccidence of being

0:24:14.440 --> 0:24:18.960
<v Speaker 1>an astronaut kids. Yeah, inclosed spaces with three other people

0:24:19.040 --> 0:24:21.800
<v Speaker 1>that you're gonna become real close friends with over the

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<v Speaker 1>next several months to a couple of years, depending on

0:24:24.040 --> 0:24:27.280
<v Speaker 1>the mission. Um. Yeah, so this is um, it's an

0:24:27.280 --> 0:24:30.680
<v Speaker 1>exciting thing. It's interesting. We haven't had any manned flights

0:24:30.880 --> 0:24:33.440
<v Speaker 1>and that kind of brings us into what Orion is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be used for. You mentioned one of them,

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<v Speaker 1>Joe the trip to Mars, although that one's further down

0:24:38.359 --> 0:24:41.080
<v Speaker 1>the planned than other. Right. Well, in the old regime,

0:24:41.240 --> 0:24:43.639
<v Speaker 1>the Constellation program, they were saying we were going to

0:24:43.760 --> 0:24:46.359
<v Speaker 1>what returned to the Moon. In the idea was that

0:24:46.400 --> 0:24:49.520
<v Speaker 1>the Moon was going to be our primary objective and

0:24:49.520 --> 0:24:53.200
<v Speaker 1>then from there we would then start planning out trips

0:24:53.240 --> 0:24:56.080
<v Speaker 1>to places like Mars. Is that still basically the idea

0:24:56.200 --> 0:24:58.800
<v Speaker 1>or have we changed our minds kind of kind of

0:24:58.880 --> 0:25:01.800
<v Speaker 1>changed things around a little a little bit. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's manned flights of it planned for for

0:25:05.000 --> 0:25:08.920
<v Speaker 1>testing around. Yeah, that would be the earliest. And the

0:25:09.760 --> 0:25:13.040
<v Speaker 1>crew module has a docking station where it can dock

0:25:13.119 --> 0:25:16.560
<v Speaker 1>with other spacecraft. The Apollo spacecraft and Jim and I

0:25:16.600 --> 0:25:20.399
<v Speaker 1>spacecraft had these sort of things too. Um, So it

0:25:20.480 --> 0:25:22.800
<v Speaker 1>may be that we see other types of uses of

0:25:22.840 --> 0:25:28.480
<v Speaker 1>the Orion and the the closer future, but seems ambitious.

0:25:28.480 --> 0:25:30.200
<v Speaker 1>A lot of people are saying that they doubt that

0:25:31.240 --> 0:25:33.000
<v Speaker 1>is going to be when we see the first launches,

0:25:33.359 --> 0:25:39.400
<v Speaker 1>not necessarily because of technological issues, but because of financial ones. Politics. Yeah,

0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:43.200
<v Speaker 1>so we need to fund these. In fact, you could

0:25:43.280 --> 0:25:46.680
<v Speaker 1>argue that the test flight was a test of two things,

0:25:47.200 --> 0:25:51.000
<v Speaker 1>the space worthiness of the Orion capsule and NASA's ability

0:25:51.040 --> 0:25:55.399
<v Speaker 1>to drum up excitement and enthusiasm for the space program. Both.

0:25:55.440 --> 0:25:59.040
<v Speaker 1>I would say, we're really successful. Yeah, if you were

0:25:59.080 --> 0:26:02.720
<v Speaker 1>on Twitter on Friday morning when the spacecraft went up,

0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:05.399
<v Speaker 1>you could not help but see tons of tweets about this.

0:26:05.880 --> 0:26:07.880
<v Speaker 1>Though then again, I wonder if a lot of those

0:26:07.880 --> 0:26:09.760
<v Speaker 1>were coming from the kind of people who are very

0:26:09.800 --> 0:26:13.520
<v Speaker 1>interested in space anyway. So what does it take to

0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:17.399
<v Speaker 1>break through to the person who doesn't really give a

0:26:17.400 --> 0:26:21.280
<v Speaker 1>flip about space day to day. I don't know what

0:26:21.480 --> 0:26:25.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, apart from showing just the amazing videos and

0:26:25.840 --> 0:26:28.119
<v Speaker 1>pictures that have been taken over the course of the

0:26:28.160 --> 0:26:32.040
<v Speaker 1>space program. I'm not really entirely sure. Yeah, that that

0:26:32.080 --> 0:26:37.280
<v Speaker 1>really is kind of the golden question there. But getting

0:26:37.280 --> 0:26:41.120
<v Speaker 1>them while they're young helps definitely, So That's that's part

0:26:41.160 --> 0:26:42.920
<v Speaker 1>of it though, right, because I mean we're talking we're

0:26:42.960 --> 0:26:47.000
<v Speaker 1>looking out several years. The people that they're the who

0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:50.560
<v Speaker 1>will be the astronauts in one they're in school now,

0:26:51.080 --> 0:26:53.760
<v Speaker 1>you know. Yeah. Well, okay, So, as I was saying

0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:56.200
<v Speaker 1>a second ago, the Moon landing kind of did it.

0:26:56.680 --> 0:27:00.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, everybody cared about that, and I'm wondering, what's

0:27:00.840 --> 0:27:02.840
<v Speaker 1>the thing we should put our feet on that will

0:27:02.880 --> 0:27:06.160
<v Speaker 1>get people really excited again. Well, well we've we've the

0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:10.440
<v Speaker 1>Ryan Project has moved away from the moon concept. They're

0:27:10.480 --> 0:27:15.600
<v Speaker 1>now talking about landing on an asteroid, captured captured asteroid.

0:27:16.359 --> 0:27:19.520
<v Speaker 1>That is so cool. I think is the timeline they're

0:27:19.560 --> 0:27:22.120
<v Speaker 1>thinking about if all else goes well, and this would

0:27:22.119 --> 0:27:24.639
<v Speaker 1>be you know, for multiple reasons. One, I mean, we

0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:28.160
<v Speaker 1>have a legitimate interest in asteroids and finding out their

0:27:28.200 --> 0:27:31.760
<v Speaker 1>physical makeup other things that we just we don't know

0:27:31.880 --> 0:27:34.159
<v Speaker 1>that we don't know, right, I mean, there's stuff we

0:27:34.200 --> 0:27:37.280
<v Speaker 1>don't know because we don't know. I'm almost more excited

0:27:37.320 --> 0:27:42.439
<v Speaker 1>about asteroids than I am about Mars asteroids. There are

0:27:42.440 --> 0:27:46.560
<v Speaker 1>a lot more practical, pretty pretty decent early arcade game too,

0:27:47.040 --> 0:27:49.480
<v Speaker 1>And that's also accurately a lot When I was a

0:27:49.560 --> 0:27:53.639
<v Speaker 1>kid science. Yeah, so, so this would be kind of

0:27:53.720 --> 0:27:57.119
<v Speaker 1>instead of the Moon acting as the stepping stone toward

0:27:57.359 --> 0:28:01.080
<v Speaker 1>longer voyages. Uh, the asteroid mission would be in part

0:28:01.720 --> 0:28:05.399
<v Speaker 1>beyond doing the basic science of testing the asteroid for

0:28:05.680 --> 0:28:07.560
<v Speaker 1>finding out what it's physical makeup is, all that kind

0:28:07.560 --> 0:28:10.080
<v Speaker 1>of stuff, it would also be to test the actual

0:28:10.760 --> 0:28:16.800
<v Speaker 1>um capabilities of the Orion spacecraft in preparation for longer missions.

0:28:17.440 --> 0:28:19.719
<v Speaker 1>And those longer missions would be the trip to Mars,

0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:22.920
<v Speaker 1>which is an enormous goal. We have covered it many

0:28:22.960 --> 0:28:25.760
<v Speaker 1>times on this podcast to talk about how big a

0:28:25.800 --> 0:28:27.880
<v Speaker 1>deal it is to go to Mars, because in order

0:28:27.920 --> 0:28:29.880
<v Speaker 1>to just get there, you have to wait until Earth

0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:32.480
<v Speaker 1>and Mars are lined up in their orbits so that

0:28:32.520 --> 0:28:34.760
<v Speaker 1>you minimize the amount of time it's going to take

0:28:34.840 --> 0:28:38.080
<v Speaker 1>to get from Earth to Mars. Uh. That by minimize,

0:28:38.080 --> 0:28:42.000
<v Speaker 1>we're talking still between six and eight months, sometimes nine months,

0:28:42.000 --> 0:28:45.400
<v Speaker 1>depending upon exactly when the window is. Then once you

0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:47.920
<v Speaker 1>get there, by the time you get there, Earth and

0:28:48.000 --> 0:28:51.160
<v Speaker 1>Mars are no longer in that ideal alignment anymore, you're

0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:54.520
<v Speaker 1>gonna have to wait two years more or less until

0:28:54.560 --> 0:28:56.760
<v Speaker 1>you get to those same conditions where you can make

0:28:56.800 --> 0:28:59.720
<v Speaker 1>that same return trip from Mars to Earth and not

0:28:59.800 --> 0:29:03.760
<v Speaker 1>acquire an enormous amount of fuel that I don't know

0:29:03.840 --> 0:29:06.720
<v Speaker 1>where you would get it unless you're actually converting the

0:29:07.320 --> 0:29:10.480
<v Speaker 1>raw material of Mars into fuel, which is a possibility.

0:29:10.520 --> 0:29:12.280
<v Speaker 1>That's one of the other things that I'm looking into.

0:29:13.040 --> 0:29:17.720
<v Speaker 1>So anyway, it's a huge, huge challenge, and the Orion

0:29:17.840 --> 0:29:20.800
<v Speaker 1>is supposed to be the spacecraft that will get us.

0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:24.240
<v Speaker 1>They're using NASA's approach. Yeah, they're they're hoping that some

0:29:24.360 --> 0:29:26.720
<v Speaker 1>time and say the twenty thirties, that might be able

0:29:26.720 --> 0:29:32.200
<v Speaker 1>to happen. Yeah, And and so contrast that with the

0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:35.440
<v Speaker 1>Mars one Colony plan to get people on Mars by

0:29:35.560 --> 0:29:41.120
<v Speaker 1>early next Tuesday. Yeah, it's it's yeah, sorry, I'm being

0:29:41.560 --> 0:29:44.720
<v Speaker 1>that was that was overly dismissive. I think we can

0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:48.360
<v Speaker 1>be a little dismissive. Um, I mean, I don't. I

0:29:48.360 --> 0:29:50.800
<v Speaker 1>don't wish any project to fail. It just seems like

0:29:50.880 --> 0:29:57.040
<v Speaker 1>that one is particularly ambitious. It's hard to balance enthusiasm

0:29:57.360 --> 0:30:02.800
<v Speaker 1>and a kind of motivating enthusiasm with being realistic because

0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:05.520
<v Speaker 1>at the same time, you could have been living in

0:30:05.560 --> 0:30:09.320
<v Speaker 1>the sixties and been super critical of Kennedy for setting

0:30:09.360 --> 0:30:12.040
<v Speaker 1>up the space timeline he did. Do you know what

0:30:12.080 --> 0:30:16.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean. Yet you could also argue that that ambitious

0:30:16.520 --> 0:30:19.760
<v Speaker 1>timeline really did motivate us and our scientists to work

0:30:19.840 --> 0:30:23.960
<v Speaker 1>harder and to be more inspired and to get it done.

0:30:24.360 --> 0:30:28.959
<v Speaker 1>The Cold War didn't didn't hurt. The Space race was

0:30:29.000 --> 0:30:31.440
<v Speaker 1>a race. There was a you know, it was it

0:30:31.520 --> 0:30:33.719
<v Speaker 1>was a competition in any ways. And part of the

0:30:33.760 --> 0:30:36.800
<v Speaker 1>issue maybe that we feel like there's less pressure now,

0:30:36.840 --> 0:30:42.680
<v Speaker 1>like there's not this political reason to demonstrate our superiority

0:30:42.800 --> 0:30:47.800
<v Speaker 1>of getting things really far where they started. Absolutely I am,

0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:51.560
<v Speaker 1>I do think that that's valid. I would be more

0:30:51.880 --> 0:30:55.160
<v Speaker 1>apt to be less cynical about the Mars one if

0:30:55.200 --> 0:30:58.320
<v Speaker 1>they were choosing to fund it with anything but reality TV,

0:30:58.680 --> 0:31:03.160
<v Speaker 1>which just yeah, yeah, yeah, even if you even if

0:31:03.200 --> 0:31:07.400
<v Speaker 1>you love reality television, the ability to raise enough money

0:31:07.560 --> 0:31:10.920
<v Speaker 1>to send a mission to Mars, that's a that would

0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:16.000
<v Speaker 1>have to be the most successful reality television program, right

0:31:16.040 --> 0:31:19.040
<v Speaker 1>because we're talking billions of dollars here. It's not cheap.

0:31:20.040 --> 0:31:22.480
<v Speaker 1>So I thought it would be fun also to talk

0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:25.000
<v Speaker 1>about some of the other things that didn't really fit

0:31:25.080 --> 0:31:27.520
<v Speaker 1>into the other parts of the podcast, and one of

0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:30.680
<v Speaker 1>those is this is fun facts about it, right, Yeah.

0:31:30.800 --> 0:31:32.640
<v Speaker 1>The first one is fun fact Hey do you know,

0:31:32.800 --> 0:31:37.480
<v Speaker 1>radiation could kill you. Yeah, we talked about this every

0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:41.520
<v Speaker 1>time Mars comes up. So you know, being on Earth

0:31:41.600 --> 0:31:45.120
<v Speaker 1>is really nice because Earth is a big umbrella from

0:31:45.160 --> 0:31:47.720
<v Speaker 1>all of the energy out there in the universe that

0:31:47.760 --> 0:31:49.640
<v Speaker 1>wants to kill us. It's also where I keep all

0:31:49.680 --> 0:31:54.360
<v Speaker 1>my stuff. So if we're traveling beyond the protective barriers

0:31:54.400 --> 0:31:59.280
<v Speaker 1>provided by Earth's magnetosphere, by Earth's atmosphere, we're in trouble. Right.

0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:04.240
<v Speaker 1>There is high energy things out in space. There's solar radiation,

0:32:04.280 --> 0:32:08.680
<v Speaker 1>there's cosmic radiation, their cosmic rays. Uh, it's not good

0:32:08.680 --> 0:32:12.080
<v Speaker 1>for you know, these are things that can cause some

0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:15.320
<v Speaker 1>some damage. Sometimes it can be severe damage, and you

0:32:15.360 --> 0:32:18.080
<v Speaker 1>want to limit that as much as possible. So you

0:32:18.400 --> 0:32:21.600
<v Speaker 1>if you're on a multi month mission to get to Mars,

0:32:21.880 --> 0:32:23.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, once you get to Mars, you still have

0:32:23.840 --> 0:32:26.520
<v Speaker 1>to worry about radiation, but just the journey from Earth

0:32:26.560 --> 0:32:28.760
<v Speaker 1>to Mars is gonna be problematic. You've got to figure

0:32:28.800 --> 0:32:31.920
<v Speaker 1>out how to protect the astronauts from detect yourself with

0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:34.680
<v Speaker 1>reality TV. And now in this case, you protect yourself

0:32:34.680 --> 0:32:38.320
<v Speaker 1>with pretty much everything that's on board the spacecraft. UH,

0:32:38.360 --> 0:32:42.440
<v Speaker 1>the official UH policy or the procedure that you're supposed

0:32:42.440 --> 0:32:46.160
<v Speaker 1>to follow. In case the spacecraft detects radiation, then there

0:32:46.160 --> 0:32:50.479
<v Speaker 1>are specific sensors on the spacecraft meant to detect cosmic

0:32:50.600 --> 0:32:54.760
<v Speaker 1>radiation solar radiation. You get an alert and then everybody

0:32:54.800 --> 0:32:57.080
<v Speaker 1>moves to the back. You all go to the aft

0:32:57.320 --> 0:32:59.760
<v Speaker 1>section of the spacecraft. It's it's sort of like it's

0:32:59.760 --> 0:33:03.200
<v Speaker 1>sort like getting into the seller when the tornadoes coming,

0:33:03.280 --> 0:33:07.160
<v Speaker 1>except your sellers is protecting you with all of your

0:33:07.200 --> 0:33:10.400
<v Speaker 1>food and water supply exactly, because you become the junk

0:33:10.440 --> 0:33:13.320
<v Speaker 1>in the trunk. Yeah, that's true. So you've got that

0:33:13.320 --> 0:33:16.240
<v Speaker 1>that heat shielding that Lauren talked about earlier. That's that's

0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:19.080
<v Speaker 1>to your back essentially, right, so that that part can

0:33:19.120 --> 0:33:22.480
<v Speaker 1>absorb quite a bit of radiation. And then you put

0:33:22.520 --> 0:33:24.560
<v Speaker 1>everything in front of you that you can, like, you know,

0:33:24.640 --> 0:33:29.400
<v Speaker 1>the water chairs exactly. You you get your stuff. And

0:33:29.440 --> 0:33:32.520
<v Speaker 1>the reasoning for this is that if you are already

0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:35.480
<v Speaker 1>able to make use of things that are already aboard

0:33:35.520 --> 0:33:38.120
<v Speaker 1>the spacecraft, you don't have to add more material and

0:33:38.160 --> 0:33:42.240
<v Speaker 1>therefore add more weight to the shield exactly. So it's

0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:46.080
<v Speaker 1>kind of a a jerry rigged approach, but if it's effective,

0:33:46.160 --> 0:33:49.240
<v Speaker 1>then it's awesome. This is kind of similar to an

0:33:49.280 --> 0:33:52.880
<v Speaker 1>approach we've talked about before for long space missions, which

0:33:53.040 --> 0:33:58.000
<v Speaker 1>was the idea of using initially water and food resources

0:33:58.040 --> 0:34:00.800
<v Speaker 1>as radiation shielding, and then as the mission goes on,

0:34:01.360 --> 0:34:05.400
<v Speaker 1>using human waste as radiation shielding, which has high water

0:34:05.520 --> 0:34:08.479
<v Speaker 1>content and turns out that provides pretty good shielding. Yeah.

0:34:08.600 --> 0:34:13.240
<v Speaker 1>So it's essentially that methodology that they're talking about. Uh.

0:34:13.360 --> 0:34:16.759
<v Speaker 1>Then there's also the the part about what do you

0:34:16.840 --> 0:34:20.720
<v Speaker 1>do how do you get the capsule once it returns

0:34:20.719 --> 0:34:24.280
<v Speaker 1>to Earth? Right, because in the old days we I'm

0:34:24.320 --> 0:34:28.279
<v Speaker 1>sure that you've seen footage from the old newsreels of

0:34:28.280 --> 0:34:32.040
<v Speaker 1>of navy teams going out and like pulling the astronauts

0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:34.319
<v Speaker 1>directly out of the capsule in the middle of the

0:34:34.360 --> 0:34:38.600
<v Speaker 1>ocean onto lifeboats, no one really looking very excited about it. Yeah,

0:34:38.880 --> 0:34:41.880
<v Speaker 1>and this is this is not necessarily going to work

0:34:41.960 --> 0:34:44.520
<v Speaker 1>for some of these longer missions where people have been

0:34:44.600 --> 0:34:48.719
<v Speaker 1>outside of Earth's conditions for prolonged periods of time. Like

0:34:48.840 --> 0:34:50.840
<v Speaker 1>going to the Moon and back that was several days.

0:34:51.400 --> 0:34:53.200
<v Speaker 1>But if you're talking about going to Mars and bag

0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:56.880
<v Speaker 1>that's like almost three years total. You know, in space

0:34:56.880 --> 0:35:00.640
<v Speaker 1>and on microgravity, and Mars has one third of it's gravity.

0:35:00.760 --> 0:35:03.279
<v Speaker 1>So no matter what, you don't have the benefit of

0:35:03.320 --> 0:35:05.840
<v Speaker 1>full Earth gravity while you're out there. And there's not

0:35:05.840 --> 0:35:08.080
<v Speaker 1>a whole lot of room to put some exercise bikes

0:35:08.120 --> 0:35:13.160
<v Speaker 1>on board this this spacecraft. So they're they're real concerns about,

0:35:13.239 --> 0:35:15.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, being gentle on the astronauts, making sure you

0:35:15.600 --> 0:35:18.399
<v Speaker 1>have the safest way for them to get out of there.

0:35:18.440 --> 0:35:20.720
<v Speaker 1>So once it splashes down, and we should also mention

0:35:20.840 --> 0:35:23.839
<v Speaker 1>the splashdown thing is is a boon. You might think, well,

0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:25.759
<v Speaker 1>that seems primitive, but when you think about it, first

0:35:25.800 --> 0:35:27.960
<v Speaker 1>of all, there's way more water on Earth than there

0:35:28.000 --> 0:35:31.239
<v Speaker 1>is land. So that's that you don't have to go

0:35:31.360 --> 0:35:33.800
<v Speaker 1>and pick out a specific runway for your ship to

0:35:33.920 --> 0:35:36.160
<v Speaker 1>return to. If you're aiming for the Pacific, you've got

0:35:36.200 --> 0:35:39.000
<v Speaker 1>a pretty good shot. Yeah, So it's the window, the

0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:42.160
<v Speaker 1>window of re entry is way larger than it would

0:35:42.200 --> 0:35:44.680
<v Speaker 1>be if you had to aim for a specific spot

0:35:44.719 --> 0:35:47.239
<v Speaker 1>on Earth. Right, you've got a much larger area to

0:35:47.280 --> 0:35:52.080
<v Speaker 1>play with. Um. So, once it splashes down, uh, the

0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:54.480
<v Speaker 1>Navy would go out to retrieve it, and first they

0:35:54.480 --> 0:35:58.759
<v Speaker 1>would send out some uh, some various boats, either some

0:35:58.840 --> 0:36:02.640
<v Speaker 1>rigid inflatable and some zodiac style boats, motor boats. The

0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:06.719
<v Speaker 1>teams are called amphibious space specialists amphibious specialist, so they're

0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:11.120
<v Speaker 1>frogs that um uh. And if you're an amphibious specialist

0:36:11.200 --> 0:36:13.279
<v Speaker 1>and I just used a terrible term to describe you,

0:36:13.360 --> 0:36:16.480
<v Speaker 1>I apologize. Some of my best friends are squids. So

0:36:16.520 --> 0:36:19.719
<v Speaker 1>if you feel better, that's sub mariners at any rate.

0:36:20.080 --> 0:36:22.279
<v Speaker 1>So you go out. They go out there and they

0:36:22.360 --> 0:36:26.760
<v Speaker 1>tow the the spacecraft back to a Navy vessel which

0:36:26.840 --> 0:36:29.719
<v Speaker 1>has a well deck flooded. Now this is this is

0:36:29.760 --> 0:36:33.600
<v Speaker 1>something that can be accessed from essentially the ocean. The

0:36:33.680 --> 0:36:37.399
<v Speaker 1>Navy team pulls the the spacecraft into the well deck

0:36:37.480 --> 0:36:40.799
<v Speaker 1>which has water in it, and then the water is

0:36:40.920 --> 0:36:44.239
<v Speaker 1>drained from the well deck. A platform is brought in

0:36:44.719 --> 0:36:47.600
<v Speaker 1>and then there the astronauts are allowed to climb out

0:36:47.600 --> 0:36:49.840
<v Speaker 1>of the capsule and then they immediately go to a

0:36:49.920 --> 0:36:53.680
<v Speaker 1>medical checkup. As soon as they are out, they go

0:36:53.800 --> 0:36:55.759
<v Speaker 1>to be looked over by a doctor to make sure

0:36:55.840 --> 0:36:58.400
<v Speaker 1>that they are in good health. The Navy started testing

0:36:58.440 --> 0:37:01.480
<v Speaker 1>this procedure around twenty their teen or so, and they

0:37:01.760 --> 0:37:03.680
<v Speaker 1>found that it really is the safest thing for for

0:37:03.680 --> 0:37:07.960
<v Speaker 1>the astronauts and uh the most efficient process, the best

0:37:08.080 --> 0:37:11.320
<v Speaker 1>use of the equipment that they have available, right, Yeah, okay,

0:37:11.320 --> 0:37:14.640
<v Speaker 1>so here's another thing. Yeah, I mentioned earlier that not

0:37:14.840 --> 0:37:18.640
<v Speaker 1>everything on board the Orion's necessarily the most state of

0:37:18.680 --> 0:37:22.280
<v Speaker 1>the art equipment they could afford. In fact, in some cases,

0:37:22.360 --> 0:37:25.880
<v Speaker 1>they might be looking back to an older technology to

0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:29.319
<v Speaker 1>provide some of these vital systems on board the craft. Now,

0:37:29.360 --> 0:37:31.960
<v Speaker 1>why would they do that and what would they what

0:37:32.040 --> 0:37:35.319
<v Speaker 1>would they get that wasn't absolutely the newest thing they

0:37:35.320 --> 0:37:39.760
<v Speaker 1>could get. So the processor powering the Orion's computer system

0:37:40.160 --> 0:37:43.360
<v Speaker 1>is probably what you're you're alluding to. It's like IBM

0:37:43.480 --> 0:37:46.759
<v Speaker 1>power PC seven fifty f X, which, for those of

0:37:46.800 --> 0:37:50.600
<v Speaker 1>you have been working with computers for a decade or more,

0:37:50.680 --> 0:37:53.600
<v Speaker 1>you probably familiar with the term power pc. Those were

0:37:53.960 --> 0:37:57.279
<v Speaker 1>found in old Apple computers before they switched over and

0:37:57.400 --> 0:38:01.600
<v Speaker 1>changed their their processor types. Um, the IBM power Pc

0:38:01.719 --> 0:38:04.240
<v Speaker 1>went on the market in two thousand two, and you're thinking,

0:38:04.280 --> 0:38:08.720
<v Speaker 1>it's fourteen. Why are we using a processor that's older

0:38:08.760 --> 0:38:11.480
<v Speaker 1>than than a decade? Well, the I found six sold

0:38:11.520 --> 0:38:13.759
<v Speaker 1>out really fast. That was one thing, you know, that

0:38:13.880 --> 0:38:16.480
<v Speaker 1>six plus everyone wanted one of those. They haven't had

0:38:16.520 --> 0:38:21.040
<v Speaker 1>a docking station in the spacecraft. The real reason is

0:38:21.080 --> 0:38:24.400
<v Speaker 1>because it's dependable. It's the reason you go with older

0:38:24.400 --> 0:38:29.160
<v Speaker 1>technology is that you have a proven history of reliability.

0:38:29.360 --> 0:38:32.080
<v Speaker 1>And the worry is that if you go with brand

0:38:32.160 --> 0:38:34.520
<v Speaker 1>new technology, like the cutting edge stuff, the stuff that's

0:38:34.600 --> 0:38:37.879
<v Speaker 1>just rolling out of Silicon Valley, it may not have

0:38:37.960 --> 0:38:42.000
<v Speaker 1>that reliability. And what if you're if people's lives depend

0:38:42.120 --> 0:38:45.480
<v Speaker 1>upon the technology, you better make sure it's reliable. And

0:38:45.520 --> 0:38:48.480
<v Speaker 1>that's the main reason. What's also kind of interesting about

0:38:48.520 --> 0:38:53.000
<v Speaker 1>it is that there are multiple power PC chips. Uh.

0:38:53.160 --> 0:38:56.040
<v Speaker 1>They have actually three computer systems on board that are

0:38:56.080 --> 0:38:59.840
<v Speaker 1>all redundant. The reason being that if you encounter radiation,

0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:02.960
<v Speaker 1>it could require that you reboot a computer system, and

0:39:02.960 --> 0:39:05.200
<v Speaker 1>you can't go without a computer system, even for just

0:39:05.280 --> 0:39:08.560
<v Speaker 1>twenty seconds, which is how long the reboot process takes.

0:39:08.640 --> 0:39:10.960
<v Speaker 1>So you have a backup system. But what if the

0:39:10.960 --> 0:39:13.040
<v Speaker 1>backup system goes down, Well, then you have a third

0:39:13.239 --> 0:39:17.000
<v Speaker 1>backup or a third system that acts as a second backup.

0:39:17.040 --> 0:39:20.080
<v Speaker 1>I guess I should say, and Uh, the odds of

0:39:20.120 --> 0:39:22.879
<v Speaker 1>all three systems going down, according to geek dot com,

0:39:22.920 --> 0:39:26.560
<v Speaker 1>which talked about this extensively, are one in one million,

0:39:26.600 --> 0:39:29.680
<v Speaker 1>eight hundred seventy thousand missions, So the odds are low.

0:39:29.760 --> 0:39:36.440
<v Speaker 1>That you would lose all three systems that one. I

0:39:36.480 --> 0:39:38.279
<v Speaker 1>would like to think that by the time we start

0:39:38.320 --> 0:39:41.239
<v Speaker 1>getting up to a point where statistically speaking we'd be

0:39:41.280 --> 0:39:43.279
<v Speaker 1>worried about that, we'd be using a different kind of

0:39:43.280 --> 0:39:48.560
<v Speaker 1>spacecraft anyway. But at any rate, the each computer system

0:39:48.600 --> 0:39:51.560
<v Speaker 1>has two of these chips, and the chips aren't working

0:39:51.760 --> 0:39:54.080
<v Speaker 1>like you know we think of multi core processors. These

0:39:54.080 --> 0:39:56.719
<v Speaker 1>are single core processors. By the way, we think a

0:39:56.800 --> 0:40:00.520
<v Speaker 1>multi core processors as ways of of taking complex tasks

0:40:00.520 --> 0:40:02.359
<v Speaker 1>and dividing them up so that we can do them

0:40:02.360 --> 0:40:05.879
<v Speaker 1>more quickly. That's not why the computer systems have two

0:40:06.520 --> 0:40:09.800
<v Speaker 1>processors each. They have them so that they are both

0:40:09.840 --> 0:40:13.000
<v Speaker 1>working on the same set of data at the same

0:40:13.040 --> 0:40:16.759
<v Speaker 1>time and error checking each other. If the if the

0:40:16.800 --> 0:40:21.319
<v Speaker 1>findings are coming up uh different from one another, then

0:40:21.360 --> 0:40:23.840
<v Speaker 1>they know they need to reboot that system because something

0:40:23.880 --> 0:40:27.200
<v Speaker 1>has gone wrong with one or both processors. So it's

0:40:27.280 --> 0:40:29.640
<v Speaker 1>kind of an early alert system for when you need

0:40:29.680 --> 0:40:33.120
<v Speaker 1>to do a control al delete, which is kind of cool. Also,

0:40:33.200 --> 0:40:37.000
<v Speaker 1>the the equipment in general, like the circuit boards, the

0:40:37.000 --> 0:40:39.600
<v Speaker 1>the paneling, everything is is much thicker than what you

0:40:39.600 --> 0:40:44.000
<v Speaker 1>would find with terrestrial electronics. And again that's to absorb

0:40:44.080 --> 0:40:46.080
<v Speaker 1>some of this radiation before it has a chance to

0:40:46.120 --> 0:40:51.520
<v Speaker 1>affect the electronic components. So very practical approach, which makes sense, right,

0:40:52.600 --> 0:40:54.919
<v Speaker 1>And what's interesting to me is that if you look

0:40:54.920 --> 0:40:58.680
<v Speaker 1>at the instrumentation panels, they look, you know, a lot

0:40:58.760 --> 0:41:02.879
<v Speaker 1>lots of physical switches, lots of of like oscillating kind

0:41:02.920 --> 0:41:08.360
<v Speaker 1>of you know, it looks like nineteen sixties technology. It's

0:41:08.400 --> 0:41:11.640
<v Speaker 1>almost precisely the opposite of what you see in Elon

0:41:11.719 --> 0:41:15.279
<v Speaker 1>Musk's Dragon capsule mock ups right where it looks more

0:41:15.400 --> 0:41:19.959
<v Speaker 1>like an Apple product. So it's really interesting to see

0:41:19.960 --> 0:41:22.600
<v Speaker 1>how NASA is taking this approach. They're saying, look, we

0:41:22.640 --> 0:41:25.160
<v Speaker 1>want First of all, we want funding, and if we're

0:41:25.160 --> 0:41:27.000
<v Speaker 1>going to get funding, we have to prove that this

0:41:27.080 --> 0:41:30.560
<v Speaker 1>technology works. We don't have you know, we are not

0:41:30.640 --> 0:41:33.879
<v Speaker 1>a private organization, so we have to make sure that

0:41:33.920 --> 0:41:36.759
<v Speaker 1>we can prove the things we say are going to

0:41:36.800 --> 0:41:38.919
<v Speaker 1>actually be effective. Yeah, and then we want the most

0:41:38.960 --> 0:41:43.840
<v Speaker 1>reliable things possible, even if they're less convenient. Then yeah,

0:41:44.000 --> 0:41:46.680
<v Speaker 1>it may be it may not be as sexy as

0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:49.279
<v Speaker 1>the dragon capsule. But just to me was interesting, like

0:41:49.320 --> 0:41:52.080
<v Speaker 1>if you compare the two and you look at at

0:41:52.120 --> 0:41:58.720
<v Speaker 1>the interiors of both how different they appear from one another. Um. Also,

0:41:58.880 --> 0:42:01.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of on a similar note, I wonder

0:42:02.040 --> 0:42:05.879
<v Speaker 1>if the private space industry is going to be an

0:42:05.920 --> 0:42:09.480
<v Speaker 1>issue with getting funding for the Orion program, simply because

0:42:09.520 --> 0:42:13.280
<v Speaker 1>if I'm a politician and I'm presented with a proposal

0:42:13.320 --> 0:42:16.680
<v Speaker 1>from NASA saying we need X billion dollars to fund

0:42:16.800 --> 0:42:20.759
<v Speaker 1>this particular mission, and then I look over and I say, well, look,

0:42:20.800 --> 0:42:24.200
<v Speaker 1>Elon Musk is over there at SpaceX doing it on

0:42:24.239 --> 0:42:26.480
<v Speaker 1>his own dime, and I don't have to spend anything.

0:42:27.480 --> 0:42:30.920
<v Speaker 1>I worry that's going to become a disincentive to fund

0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:33.480
<v Speaker 1>the NASA program. I certainly hope that's not the case.

0:42:33.600 --> 0:42:37.239
<v Speaker 1>I think we need both. Yeah, yeah, I hope that

0:42:37.280 --> 0:42:39.880
<v Speaker 1>it's going to be more the case of of both

0:42:40.640 --> 0:42:45.399
<v Speaker 1>both organizations working together and and kind of helping each

0:42:45.400 --> 0:42:48.080
<v Speaker 1>other out. You know, the sort of thing where, uh,

0:42:48.440 --> 0:42:52.680
<v Speaker 1>NASA has rented a couple of its launchpads to SpaceX

0:42:52.719 --> 0:42:56.879
<v Speaker 1>for for example, and SpaceX has provided some equipment to NASA,

0:42:56.960 --> 0:42:58.920
<v Speaker 1>and that they feed each other more more like a

0:42:58.960 --> 0:43:01.760
<v Speaker 1>more like a friend ice cream social in low gravity,

0:43:02.200 --> 0:43:05.359
<v Speaker 1>um and and less of a competition. And I don't

0:43:05.400 --> 0:43:08.839
<v Speaker 1>I don't see I don't think of SpaceX as as

0:43:08.920 --> 0:43:12.200
<v Speaker 1>presenting itself as a competitor to NASA. I'm just worried

0:43:12.200 --> 0:43:14.239
<v Speaker 1>that people who are in charge of the wallets can't

0:43:14.239 --> 0:43:17.480
<v Speaker 1>see it that way. Maybe that's just me being a

0:43:17.480 --> 0:43:20.360
<v Speaker 1>little bit of a worry ward personally. I I really

0:43:20.360 --> 0:43:23.640
<v Speaker 1>hope that the funding comes through. I found the Orion

0:43:23.760 --> 0:43:26.960
<v Speaker 1>launched to be incredibly inspiring. I cry every time there's

0:43:26.960 --> 0:43:29.239
<v Speaker 1>a launch, just it's even if I'm not watching it.

0:43:29.280 --> 0:43:31.640
<v Speaker 1>I just somewhere I feel it. There's a great diserbance

0:43:31.640 --> 0:43:33.759
<v Speaker 1>in the forest, and I just cried. I also got

0:43:33.800 --> 0:43:35.600
<v Speaker 1>a little I got a little weepy. Actually, I was

0:43:35.680 --> 0:43:37.479
<v Speaker 1>worried that I wasn't gonna be able to get through

0:43:37.600 --> 0:43:41.239
<v Speaker 1>a video take without tearing up, but I did. I

0:43:41.280 --> 0:43:43.359
<v Speaker 1>did so. Yeah, there are two things I always tear

0:43:43.440 --> 0:43:48.680
<v Speaker 1>up at launches and lunches. Two things. Yeah, lunch is

0:43:48.680 --> 0:43:52.880
<v Speaker 1>pretty good, lunch is awesome. All right, Well this was

0:43:53.000 --> 0:43:55.480
<v Speaker 1>this was fun and of course very timely. I hope

0:43:55.640 --> 0:43:57.480
<v Speaker 1>if you guys out there had a chance that you

0:43:57.600 --> 0:44:01.920
<v Speaker 1>caught the Orion launched. There our videos obviously of the launch.

0:44:01.960 --> 0:44:03.680
<v Speaker 1>If you didn't get a chance to see it live.

0:44:04.000 --> 0:44:05.560
<v Speaker 1>I didn't get a chance to see it live, so

0:44:05.600 --> 0:44:09.120
<v Speaker 1>I watched the video after the fact. Uh, but very

0:44:09.239 --> 0:44:12.279
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