Speaker 1: I can hardly curb my enthusiasm for my next guest.
Speaker 1: Cheryl Hines, famously known as the wife of Larry David
Speaker 1: on the hit show Curb, brings her hysterical and unscripted
Speaker 1: personality to the pod to discuss her personal life, career,
Speaker 1: and philanthropy, which includes being married to a Kennedy. This
Speaker 1: is just me with Chryl Hynes. Hi. How are you.
Speaker 1: I'm good? How are you? I'm great? We met years
Speaker 1: ago at Sundance because of the waitress. Am I wrong? No,
Speaker 1: You're right. And I wasn't sure that you would remember that.
Speaker 1: But it's funny because I remember meeting you and I
Speaker 1: and I can't remember much. I don't have a great memory,
Speaker 1: but I remember meeting you. I was sitting with Timothy
Speaker 1: Hutton and we were like in one of the lounge
Speaker 1: areas that they set up and and you. I just
Speaker 1: remember that you were working. You were like working, and
Speaker 1: I I remember thinking, wow, you are a ah. You
Speaker 1: were so driven even then. And I looked around and
Speaker 1: everybody else's like, we're all lounging, we're talking about films,
Speaker 1: and I think you were you working with a chef
Speaker 1: for a well, that's funny because I'm reminded of this
Speaker 1: right now. So I was at Sundance, I guess, just
Speaker 1: because I was at Park City. I don't think I
Speaker 1: was at Sundance per se. I don't remember, Like I
Speaker 1: had no reason I would be there, and I met
Speaker 1: I went one night, someone took me to this thing
Speaker 1: called Chef Dance, where you sat in these booths and
Speaker 1: each night a different chef came and did this whole meal.
Speaker 1: And I had gone to culinary school and wanted to
Speaker 1: be a chef so badly, or a TV chef or
Speaker 1: some version of a chef. And so I finagled the
Speaker 1: guy Ken and his wife Mimi, who ran this thing,
Speaker 1: which was like a little thing, to let me host
Speaker 1: it the next year by like calling restaurants all over
Speaker 1: the country and getting them to do it and getting
Speaker 1: paid nothing, just to be able to like be in
Speaker 1: that room and connect with people like you. I mean,
Speaker 1: everybody came. Kardashian came through there. Everybody came through there,
Speaker 1: not even really understanding what it was, like, Wait, why
Speaker 1: are we here? Why is there a free five course
Speaker 1: meal from this amazing chef? And we built it up
Speaker 1: to be pretty big, but it wasn't something I ever
Speaker 1: made money off of. It just was something I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, they were using me what passionate about? I
Speaker 1: was passionate about. So many times I do things and
Speaker 1: I just keep moving forward. I don't even know what
Speaker 1: I'm even doing, but that was one of them. I
Speaker 1: just loved it. I love the concept, and the food
Speaker 1: was great, and it got me to like connect the
Speaker 1: chefs that I looked up to on television and in
Speaker 1: restaurants and so that's where you were. But I forgot
Speaker 1: about that moment in my life, and um, it was
Speaker 1: very important to me, and it was I just found
Speaker 1: a way to get myself to be able to go
Speaker 1: to sundance and snowboard a little and and eat amazing
Speaker 1: food and meet interesting people. So well, it's funny because
Speaker 1: that's my memory of it. I don't even I can't
Speaker 1: tell you what what I did. I can't tell you
Speaker 1: what you were. I don't remember anyway what you were
Speaker 1: talking about or what it was. But I was like, oh, yeah, Bethany,
Speaker 1: I'm I want to be a part of this because
Speaker 1: I I like you and I felt connected to you,
Speaker 1: and I felt like, Okay, I'm on board with whatever
Speaker 1: you're doing, let's let me see what you what's going on.
Speaker 1: So that was my introduction to you. And it's been
Speaker 1: really fun to watch you, you know, from Afar through
Speaker 1: the years, like man, you're a freaking mover and shaker
Speaker 1: and it's inspirational and it's really fun to watch well
Speaker 1: likewise and um, you never know how someone perceives you
Speaker 1: in that way from Afar, like you know, cousins in
Speaker 1: this weird entertainment in the street, but I've only seen
Speaker 1: each other once. But so for me with you, you
Speaker 1: are an actress who was in that movie the Waitress.
Speaker 1: You're married, You were in your on Curb your enthusiasm
Speaker 1: and funny, but did not not would never thought about
Speaker 1: whether you were a comedian first because the waitress was
Speaker 1: like a different type of role and so didn't think
Speaker 1: about your career. Just know that you're a person that
Speaker 1: I know of, that I've watched Curb your in that
Speaker 1: enthusiasm for years, and that you have your funny, um
Speaker 1: and talented and married to a Kennedy. So that, you know,
Speaker 1: is another little little thing that shiny that jumps off
Speaker 1: the page. But not until I went through all this
Speaker 1: press and bios about you did I know anything? So
Speaker 1: I took classes at the Groundlings and and you went
Speaker 1: to the Groundlings, did you make it through the ranks
Speaker 1: as because I never did, like where I was up
Speaker 1: on stage actually performing. Were you a groundling? I was
Speaker 1: a groundling. I was a groundling. And you're right, it's
Speaker 1: a you know, it's a little theater in l A
Speaker 1: that does improv and sketch comedy and and you have
Speaker 1: to go through a whole school and then you have
Speaker 1: to be invited to be a cast member. So it
Speaker 1: was a big deal for me, and it was it
Speaker 1: was great training. I mean, did you have a good
Speaker 1: experience there or so? Yeah, So it's funny that you
Speaker 1: say that. A couple of places I went in my life.
Speaker 1: I went to school to the school um the Meisner
Speaker 1: place in the Valley, and I found that to be
Speaker 1: very interesting versus years ago taking method acting classes, which
Speaker 1: I found very trapping and and and for anyone listening
Speaker 1: the method from from my perspective is like you have
Speaker 1: to really go back and feel the feeling that like
Speaker 1: when your leg broke at twelve and and I was
Speaker 1: frustrating and it just didn't click with me. And Sam
Speaker 1: from Meisner was like, you gotta like listen to the
Speaker 1: person and and just act as you just instinctively would.
Speaker 1: And that kind of spoke to me and the Groundlings.
Speaker 1: Also in my life, I took different comedy classes and
Speaker 1: I never loved them. I loved the Groundlings because it
Speaker 1: felt free, just felt free. There were rules and it
Speaker 1: was structured, but it felt free, and it did feel
Speaker 1: like a big deal. And I always felt like a
Speaker 1: sort of a failure that I didn't stay and I
Speaker 1: was a little afraid to get on and do get
Speaker 1: up to the point where those people were up there.
Speaker 1: I took probably took it for a couple of years,
Speaker 1: maybe too Michael McDonald, who's a real comedian, and people
Speaker 1: were like, really, I see them on commercials and movies now,
Speaker 1: but I'm impressed by that, And people should be impressed
Speaker 1: by that, because that was something that was was a
Speaker 1: big deal, Like that was hard. I think, yeah, it
Speaker 1: is hard because you have to retrain your mind, especially
Speaker 1: probably for someone like you who seems very um gold
Speaker 1: driven and and I I am the same way. I have.
Speaker 1: I like to h I don't want to say control
Speaker 1: what I can, but I do like to control what
Speaker 1: I can um. And and when you're an actor, you're
Speaker 1: going through school acting classes, they tell you like, it's
Speaker 1: all about the script, it's all about the words, what's
Speaker 1: your intention and all of that like you're talking about.
Speaker 1: And then when you get to the groundlings, they say, oh,
Speaker 1: you have to let all of that go. You have
Speaker 1: to let everything go. And for me it was hard
Speaker 1: because it was like, what do you mean that let
Speaker 1: it all go? I've spent years. Oh well, well, you're like,
Speaker 1: that's different perspective coming in. Yeah, that is definitely interesting.
Speaker 1: And you you were there, you're you seem similar to
Speaker 1: my age. You were there when it had gotten harder
Speaker 1: to get up, like years before anybody could move through
Speaker 1: the ranks, was my understanding. But it had gotten more
Speaker 1: popular and people had already gotten on Saturday Night Live,
Speaker 1: so it was like a thing. Yeah, I mean when
Speaker 1: you have like Will Ferrell and um, Christy Tan and
Speaker 1: CHERRYO Terry and Lisa Coudreau was my first teacher, and
Speaker 1: you know, you're watching these really talented people and you're
Speaker 1: watching them um be successful and and yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it did bring a lot of attention to the theater
Speaker 1: and it did get more competitive because so many people
Speaker 1: were we're doing it, and my group was like Maya
Speaker 1: Rootolph and then um Melissa McCarthy and wow. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: it was more into exactly like I'm saying, like it
Speaker 1: was not a joke. Yeah, and Kristin Wig was like
Speaker 1: right uh after me. So it was yeah, it's hard,
Speaker 1: uh and it's a different way of thinking and and
Speaker 1: it is freeing, you know when you when you let
Speaker 1: go and you're like, I don't know what's going to
Speaker 1: happen next. I can't know what's gonna happen next, but
Speaker 1: it's gonna be okay, and it's a really good life lesson.
Speaker 1: Well do you tribute that to your life, to your
Speaker 1: other Coluyeah? You do, because I think I took something
Speaker 1: from there in my life. I can't tell you what,
Speaker 1: but I know that the world of improv is so
Speaker 1: fascinating to me and comedy, um, and that's a liberating place.
Speaker 1: So you took that improvisation and just like sort of
Speaker 1: go with the flow into your life. Definitely, I mean,
Speaker 1: because it's like I said, it teaches you to to
Speaker 1: not worry about what's going to happen next, because it's
Speaker 1: not going to help to worry about what's going to
Speaker 1: happen next, but to trust yourself. I don't know what's
Speaker 1: going to happen next, but I trust that myself that
Speaker 1: I'm going to be able to handle it, to deal
Speaker 1: with it, to react to it, you know, in a
Speaker 1: graceful way, and and then it let's go of the pressure.
Speaker 1: Like when you're on a late night talk show and
Speaker 1: you don't know what's going to happen, but it's gonna
Speaker 1: be fine, you know what I mean, whatever happens is
Speaker 1: going to be fine. And where do you live now?
Speaker 1: I live in l A? Okay? So you live in
Speaker 1: l A. And are you actively like always working, always auditioning,
Speaker 1: like because you know, I met you in a different
Speaker 1: time in both of our lives, and I'm in a
Speaker 1: place now where I really only will do something if
Speaker 1: I really want to do it. There's I don't I'm
Speaker 1: motivated by money anymore. And I'm just not one of
Speaker 1: those people that's like so hungry to grab if I
Speaker 1: if it feels not great, I don't want to do it.
Speaker 1: So I wonder talking to a woman that I met
Speaker 1: you probably in your thirties or you know, it's different. Yeah, Um,
Speaker 1: I am a lot like you. I I've been fortunate
Speaker 1: enough to have success in this field, and it's nice
Speaker 1: that people approached me and asked me to do things
Speaker 1: and projects and interviews, and I pick and choose, you know,
Speaker 1: because time is a real commodity. Um and people and
Speaker 1: the people that you surround yourself self with. So um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was a day when I didn't have I was
Speaker 1: just trying to get a job, you know, and You're
Speaker 1: just like, I don't care who I'm working with. I'll
Speaker 1: figure it out. And I still have I definitely still
Speaker 1: have that in me. Like I I'm open to people
Speaker 1: and ideas and something new, but I also really value
Speaker 1: the people that I spend time with. So even this interview,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, We have lots of other
Speaker 1: people we could be talking to, but I really wanted
Speaker 1: to talk to you. I appreciate that. Yea. So I
Speaker 1: really do, because I've met interesting people and it's the
Speaker 1: same thing like just I this is something I just
Speaker 1: enjoy and I'm just talking about life and a woman
Speaker 1: who's married and like I have just r you know,
Speaker 1: when I first started this a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: I was like so rigid about what I was talking
Speaker 1: about and it's sort of just now, like what comes
Speaker 1: to me or what jumped off the page about you?
Speaker 1: Like I thought, so, um, what percentage do you now
Speaker 1: have to live in the political world? Like because I
Speaker 1: and I read about your your cerebral palsy charity and
Speaker 1: there's like some political adjacent And do people label you
Speaker 1: differently now because your politics adjacent? Um? Sometimes? Yeah? So right,
Speaker 1: So I'm married to Bobby Kennedy Jr. Who, um, who
Speaker 1: is politically involved and um, and there are moments where
Speaker 1: what he's doing, you know, people will come at me
Speaker 1: for something that he's doing or that he said, and
Speaker 1: and that's not always easy, you know. Uh, And then
Speaker 1: I really have to take a step back and look
Speaker 1: at what's important to me. What's really important to me
Speaker 1: is my pore group of friends that really know me.
Speaker 1: So if I had a very close friend that said,
Speaker 1: you know, that said something to me about that, I
Speaker 1: would pay more attention to it than somebody who's just
Speaker 1: coming at me on Twitter or Instagram because you know,
Speaker 1: and I don't know how much you are, Um, I
Speaker 1: don't know how often people come at you in a
Speaker 1: negative way, but just being in the public, yeah, fear
Speaker 1: people will there are people that don't like me, but
Speaker 1: I don't know who they are. I've never met them,
Speaker 1: and I I don'n't know why they don't like me.
Speaker 1: But that's okay. Everybody doesn't have to like me. But
Speaker 1: I don't know why people are hateple sometimes Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: and Paula, listen, my fiance has worked on like mayoral
Speaker 1: campaigns and he's pop politics ad Jason. He's from Massachusetts
Speaker 1: and so he's a kind of conservative type. And that's
Speaker 1: why I asked, because I really don't know very much
Speaker 1: about it. The only thing I know is the red
Speaker 1: tape for relief work, because I do a lot of that.
Speaker 1: So I asked just because I wonder if it's like
Speaker 1: bled over into um entertainment, as it definitely can for
Speaker 1: some people. Um. And how many years have you been married? Like?
Speaker 1: And and do you? I always ask people on here
Speaker 1: who have quote unquote and there's no really success. A
Speaker 1: successful relationship is one that I think has longevity, that works.
Speaker 1: No one's No one's like living in fantasyland or perfection.
Speaker 1: I don't even believe that even if you told me.
Speaker 1: But maybe you are the exception because actually Susanne Summers,
Speaker 1: she and her husband are together every second of every day.
Speaker 1: They work together. They're obsessed with each other. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to hear it. I really don't,
Speaker 1: because I just I'm not interested in that. I want
Speaker 1: to pretend that that doesn't exist. So let's keep that moving.
Speaker 1: So what are your by laws of success in marriage
Speaker 1: or functionality in marriage? Um? Yes, So Bobby and I
Speaker 1: have been together. We I think we've I think we've
Speaker 1: been married for nine years, right, so we were and
Speaker 1: we were dating a few years before that. So, UM,
Speaker 1: I think for for me, it is I have to
Speaker 1: be able to laugh with somebody. And and Bobby and
Speaker 1: I talk about happiness. I I really talked about happiness
Speaker 1: a lot because I think it's so important in life
Speaker 1: and important to recognize when you're happy, because you're going
Speaker 1: to have those moments when you're not happy. Um. But
Speaker 1: we talk about banking happiness. So sometimes we'll be somewhere
Speaker 1: and we'll say, oh my god, this is the I'm
Speaker 1: having the best time. I'm having the best time with you. Um.
Speaker 1: We take it all in and we think, okay, we
Speaker 1: have to bank this because one day it's gonna be
Speaker 1: we're gonna get a call. That's bad news, that's hard news,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna have to go back into this well
Speaker 1: like the tank, the tank that's the tank is gets
Speaker 1: full that we have a long distance relationship and sometimes
Speaker 1: it gets monotonous, a tedious and like the boredom comes up.
Speaker 1: And I'm a person who grew up at the race
Speaker 1: track with action and gambling and like dysfunction, so I have,
Speaker 1: you know a lot of times just my life can
Speaker 1: be a little boring and like boringes where I have peace,
Speaker 1: I'm balanced. I love, I love my life. But sometimes
Speaker 1: it's just not the action because you're older. So my
Speaker 1: feeling is that. So we haven't been on a vacation.
Speaker 1: We were with other people, which was a mistake this
Speaker 1: summer and Friday we're going away and I'm like, we're
Speaker 1: coming in on fumes. It's been We just need to
Speaker 1: do something together that doesn't involve like you know, like
Speaker 1: a kid pumpkin activity or just like we're just losers.
Speaker 1: Like I just need to do one thing. Put on
Speaker 1: an outfit like the movie The Bridesmaid. She's like, I
Speaker 1: have a halter top I want to wear. I want
Speaker 1: to go to Vegas, like I want to wear a
Speaker 1: Halter tap somewhere. Yeah, I know, I get it because
Speaker 1: we end up traveling and going to events, and you know,
Speaker 1: we'll plan our little mini vacation around that event that
Speaker 1: we have to go to, and you're right, it's just
Speaker 1: like boy, okay, so I do. I get like that too,
Speaker 1: where sometimes I'm like, we have to go to a
Speaker 1: beach and do nothing. Although he can't do nothing. He
Speaker 1: Bobby cannot do nothing, which is which is great. That's
Speaker 1: what I love like that. He needs at he needs
Speaker 1: a little action. Like it doesn't mean the main thing,
Speaker 1: but like a town to walk into, something to talk
Speaker 1: about exactly you know we are scuba diving or oh
Speaker 1: more than that, but but like going to the town
Speaker 1: and meeting the you know, person that lives there and
Speaker 1: having lunch with them or whatever. Bobby really loves different
Speaker 1: cultures and different people more than I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: need to meet anyone ever, I would be okay, I'm good.
Speaker 1: I say, he really loves. He loves to find out,
Speaker 1: you know, what, what the town is known for, what
Speaker 1: this person does, what how they feel about the world.
Speaker 1: You know, he really we I'm glad. I'm not. I mean,
Speaker 1: you are opposites, but I am not. I'm more like you, like,
Speaker 1: I'm not interested in any kind of small talk. What's well,
Speaker 1: I mean, what what's interesting about him is it's not
Speaker 1: it's actually not small talk. He gets right into the
Speaker 1: heart of you know what. I'm like, Bobby, that's too
Speaker 1: like maybe, don't you know. But then the person's like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm glad somebody asked me about, you know, my grandfather.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they get into these really intense conversations. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'm like you, I'm like, I just yeah, I
Speaker 1: want to put on my halter top. I want to
Speaker 1: have a pinicolata and sit by a pool and hope
Speaker 1: that no one recognizes that it's me in a bathing
Speaker 1: suit and feel cute. Yeah, exactly, So I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: to that. Were you a cosmic tell me about you.
Speaker 1: Are a cosmetologist, that's a facial Is that a facialist
Speaker 1: or is that an abstractionist? What is it? Well, after
Speaker 1: high school, I went to cosmetology school and I learned
Speaker 1: how to do hair. It was really hair. I mean
Speaker 1: we learned, we learned skin and hair. This was in Florida,
Speaker 1: so you learn about both and then um, and then
Speaker 1: I got my cosmetology license. I worked in a salon,
Speaker 1: and then I decided to go to college, so I
Speaker 1: was working. I was working, um during the day as
Speaker 1: as a you know, in a salon, cutting hair. And
Speaker 1: actually that was back in the days of perms and
Speaker 1: Jerry curls. Oh my god, do you cut your own hair? No?
Speaker 1: I don't cut my own hair. No. But but during
Speaker 1: the pandemic, can I just tell you how many haircuts
Speaker 1: I had to do? Because no, yes, because everybody was
Speaker 1: stuck at home and I'm like, I don't It's not
Speaker 1: really what I want to do on a Friday night.
Speaker 1: But okay. But even during college, um, you know, everybody
Speaker 1: was poor. I knew how to cut hair. So anytime
Speaker 1: I go to a party, people would just line up
Speaker 1: for me to cut their hair. Wait a minute, do
Speaker 1: you did anyone complain to you have any customers that
Speaker 1: were dissatisfied? Oh? Well, yeah, I mean I have a
Speaker 1: friend when I was in school. Actually that's when that's
Speaker 1: when there were some disgruntled patrons. But by the way,
Speaker 1: they weren't paying for it. But I have a friend
Speaker 1: named Ed who had let his hair grow out, and I,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I gave him like a mullet and
Speaker 1: a perm although he wanted it, it didn't look good
Speaker 1: by any means, but you know, and then and then
Speaker 1: sometimes people would get there called um white walls, like
Speaker 1: when you're doing a haircut for a guy and you
Speaker 1: go up over the ear too high, then you see
Speaker 1: a little white Yes, I had to learn how to um.
Speaker 1: Not that I have to say, you're I've done those
Speaker 1: like twenty five things you don't know about me things,
Speaker 1: and I I like it's funny because you start mailing
Speaker 1: in the first three and then you realize something that
Speaker 1: someone doesn't know, Like you said the cosmetology thing. And
Speaker 1: I once said that I was a spin instructor because
Speaker 1: I did go to this course. I've never taught anybody,
Speaker 1: but I did go to this course. Um, and I
Speaker 1: thought yours was so crazy, like I did, not do
Speaker 1: people know that you were Rob Reiner's assistant and that
Speaker 1: thing not? I mean people do know that, um, not everybody,
Speaker 1: but yeah, people. It was funny because when it worked
Speaker 1: for him, they called me Cecy because there was another
Speaker 1: assistant named Cheryl. So when I was working up, I
Speaker 1: was working with Rob when I got curb your enthusiasm
Speaker 1: and Oh wow, you were auditioning on the How did
Speaker 1: you because that's a hard job to be a personal
Speaker 1: assistant to someone like that's how did you fintagal the
Speaker 1: inter the auditions? Well, I was I was really working
Speaker 1: for Rob and his wife Michelle in their home, so
Speaker 1: it was more of a Really I wasn't on the
Speaker 1: set with Rob. You know, I had the same job
Speaker 1: for Lynda and Jerry Bruckheimer. Oh, we have the same job.
Speaker 1: You're describe me like side right, but like you get
Speaker 1: to say you were his assistant, but you weren't. Like
Speaker 1: I wasn't on the set of Pearl Harbor, right. I
Speaker 1: was at the house sorting organic vitamins and going to
Speaker 1: Dunhill buying cigars and cardia and buy bracelets. But I
Speaker 1: was in the mix, and I was really more for Linda.
Speaker 1: But still I get to say it, I'm saying it
Speaker 1: had happened same. I remember the first time I got
Speaker 1: to drive onto the Paramount a lot and you know,
Speaker 1: I drive up and I said I I have a
Speaker 1: drive on and the guy was like, okay, get get
Speaker 1: over yourself, lady in the red tur cell, and you know,
Speaker 1: they gave me a little parking pass and I got
Speaker 1: to drive onto the Paramount lot and I just remember
Speaker 1: going home that day like, oh my god, I made it. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm in press because I met he for some reason
Speaker 1: on in Malibu one day. I walked down the beach,
Speaker 1: I remember how long ago it was, and it landed
Speaker 1: at this house with he and his wife, and had
Speaker 1: like a two hour conversation with them and loved them,
Speaker 1: like we really connected. I bet you he might even
Speaker 1: remember we just for some reason connected and they were great.
Speaker 1: And I bet you he's as proud that because Linda Bruckheimer, who,
Speaker 1: like I said, I used to sort vitamins. Once I
Speaker 1: became something, she was certainly more as proud of work
Speaker 1: as having me having worked for her as the opposite
Speaker 1: Sandwich Bruckheimer. That's really nice. Yeah, yeah, Robin Mitchelle had.
Speaker 1: They were always very supportive of me. And even when
Speaker 1: I was working for them as an assistant and I
Speaker 1: was performing at the Groundlings on Friday and Saturday nights,
Speaker 1: they would come to every opening, every show opening I had,
Speaker 1: and I was an assistant. Wait, you got the hold on,
Speaker 1: so you got the job for curb your enthusiasm while
Speaker 1: you were an assistant for them so you you you
Speaker 1: were old enough to be like looking like a wife.
Speaker 1: I was. I think it was like thirty five when
Speaker 1: I got that job. Wow, so you we have a lot.
Speaker 1: This is why I love this doing this because you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't quote unquote make anything of myself till I
Speaker 1: was thirty eight. You're a late bloom er. Two you
Speaker 1: work as a personal assistant, you know. And then I
Speaker 1: and then I didn't have my daughter until I was
Speaker 1: thirty nine. Oh say I was thirty eight. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: were you financially struggling when I had up until the
Speaker 1: moment I got curb? Yeah, and that wasn't People always
Speaker 1: think those roles, you're making millions of dollars and you
Speaker 1: weren't in the know. You're not right. Um Oh, I
Speaker 1: was really struggling. I know. I was. When I started
Speaker 1: working for the writers, I was also working at a hotel,
Speaker 1: um burtending, So I was working two jobs for a
Speaker 1: long time. There was one point when I was working
Speaker 1: three jobs. My mom always reminds me, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: you're right, Okay, good for you. Yeah, because sometimes I
Speaker 1: feel so um, I can't believe this is my life,
Speaker 1: and I feel lucky, really lucky and that. I'll talk
Speaker 1: to my mom and she's like, you know, well, you
Speaker 1: can say you're lucky, but I can tell you all
Speaker 1: the years that you had two jobs, you had three jobs,
Speaker 1: and you worked your butt off to get there. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, okay, you forget. I know. It's so
Speaker 1: being broken. You remember what it felt like to be broken.
Speaker 1: I used to bounce checks and I would have insufficient funds,
Speaker 1: and then you bounced one and then five would go
Speaker 1: right after it because there was nothing in there, and
Speaker 1: then you get the fees. You're crying on the phone.
Speaker 1: I would have insufficient funds all the time. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: remember that. But you were young and you were just
Speaker 1: excited about such different things, and that's so funny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is a parallel for sure. Having a daughter. You
Speaker 1: only have one child? Well, I have my daughter and
Speaker 1: then I have six step kids. Right, Okay, so I
Speaker 1: technically I have seven. Right, technically you have seven? But
Speaker 1: your daughters is how old? Now? She's eighteen, she's so
Speaker 1: she's a full person. Yes, I gotta take a picture
Speaker 1: of you because my daughter and I her favorite one
Speaker 1: of her favorite movies is Bad Mom's Christmas. And I'm
Speaker 1: your character where I'm like, key, it's Key Key right,
Speaker 1: like the house across the street, Yeah, where it's Kristin
Speaker 1: Bell who's horrified by you, like getting the same pajamas.
Speaker 1: Because Brin used to say to me, she used to
Speaker 1: be like, mom, everybody will ask like about homework and stuff.
Speaker 1: You'll ask me how my lunch was at school, like
Speaker 1: compared to everybody else's like, I'll be like, I want
Speaker 1: I'll come away. What did people think about your lunch box?
Speaker 1: She's like, no one thought anything about what are you saying?
Speaker 1: Because I put like an extra note a lollipop in
Speaker 1: a treat of like no, like, what do you mean?
Speaker 1: No one said anything about that lunch box today? It
Speaker 1: was like a cake pop in there. I'm just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm crazy about like the little stupid things like that
Speaker 1: character while the same. That's why I that's why I
Speaker 1: felt so connected to that character because when my daughter
Speaker 1: was in high school, she played on the softball teape
Speaker 1: for and when she was a freshman, and she wasn't
Speaker 1: very good and she didn't want to be good, she
Speaker 1: didn't care. But I went to every game and I
Speaker 1: would bring all these snacks for the girls, and you know,
Speaker 1: and a cat. My daughter would be. I'd be like,
Speaker 1: it's okay that you didn't play. You know you're on
Speaker 1: you're on the bench, you're ready. She's like, mom, stop, no,
Speaker 1: that's me right now. I begged her, why won't you
Speaker 1: let me get I have these extra mic and ix boxes,
Speaker 1: like twelve of them, and I won't give them what.
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I act like they're like Cardier
Speaker 1: braces and like why can't I just bring them to
Speaker 1: the basketball thing and just give it to out to everybody?
Speaker 1: Or all this makeup I do because I have this beauty,
Speaker 1: Like why can't I just just let me make little
Speaker 1: beauty bags for your friend? Like mom, stop stop stop. Yeah,
Speaker 1: by the way, because this year, I've got a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of bags, like gooty bags. I thought it was
Speaker 1: her birthday. Put it together and there were cute things
Speaker 1: like in there. It was cute. It wasn't like baby stuff,
Speaker 1: and she was I wasn't like Plato, it was like
Speaker 1: real stuff. She's like, mom, absolutely not. I'm like why.
Speaker 1: She's like I can't give that like and I'm like why,
Speaker 1: I'm like, what am I supposed to put in there?
Speaker 1: Like nun chucks like a vibrator. You're freaking twelve. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm embarrassing. And I one day I'll ask you to
Speaker 1: like send me send a message to her saying something
Speaker 1: I would be I would be thrilled to do that.
Speaker 1: And by the way, I love my daughter so much
Speaker 1: that I'm starting a company with her. Wow. Whether she
Speaker 1: wants to or not, No, she does want to. But
Speaker 1: we've been working on it for a few years and
Speaker 1: we're about to launch. But when we launch, can I
Speaker 1: come back and tell you everything? Please? I'm so excited. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's amazing. Is she excited? She into it. She's into it.
Speaker 1: She's excited. She's also in college right now, so it's like, well,
Speaker 1: spring break is coming up. Meanwhile, I'm like working with
Speaker 1: my sister my brother to um you know, and we're
Speaker 1: working on packaging and manufacturing and but but it's exciting
Speaker 1: because I really wanted to stay connected with her and
Speaker 1: do something you know, empowering UM with her. That would
Speaker 1: be you know, building blocks for the future. So I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's really exciting, it's really fun. Um, it's
Speaker 1: very exciting. I just want to hear what it is, um.
Speaker 1: But that's that's concept of being in business with your
Speaker 1: daughter's amazing too. You know who was on the show
Speaker 1: that was on in your number seventeen on Things We
Speaker 1: Don't Know About You is John Paul Dioria. He was
Speaker 1: on here and I know him from years ago because
Speaker 1: my friend Michelle Charters was a bar to hot bartender
Speaker 1: at a place called King King and she met him
Speaker 1: and I think he loved her, and I think he
Speaker 1: bought her Harley Davidson, gave her Harley Davidson as a
Speaker 1: tip and maybe mixing two people, but he gave her.
Speaker 1: He gave her and she bought my motorcycle like something crazy.
Speaker 1: But he was on here, and um, I just thought
Speaker 1: that was like so random that you know him, Well,
Speaker 1: it's funny because he's my inspiration. So I know John
Speaker 1: Pauloria started, you know, founded Paul Mitchell and invested in
Speaker 1: Patron and Patron which he he crushed started and then
Speaker 1: sold um and his daughter Michael Lean runs uh Paul
Speaker 1: Mitchell now. So it's it's so cool and he's so
Speaker 1: amazing and she's amazing. And when I first started entertaining
Speaker 1: the idea of starting this company, I talked to both
Speaker 1: of them and they've been so um, helpful and inspirational
Speaker 1: to me. Well, I don't even know how you know
Speaker 1: you don't know him because of hair? No, I know him.
Speaker 1: I'm famous hairstylist. What if I did his hair? What
Speaker 1: about that I've been doing? Is there for the last
Speaker 1: thirty years? Um? I know him through Waterkeeper Alliance. So.
Speaker 1: Waterkeeper is a a nonprofit organization that protects clean water.
Speaker 1: So and he's very environmentally UM supportive and so he um.
Speaker 1: So that's where I met him. And I met him
Speaker 1: through Bobby. He had already he had been friends with
Speaker 1: Bobby for a long time. So that's how that was
Speaker 1: my introduction to him years ago, years ago. Okay, so
Speaker 1: I know him and he was on here and he's lovely.
Speaker 1: I just thought that was like an interesting touch point too. Um.
Speaker 1: And are you overbearing with your daughter or like reasonable
Speaker 1: or both? I think I'm reasonable. I think I'm reasonable. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, we're really uh, we're really close. You know.
Speaker 1: It was really hard and harder, way harder than I anticipated.
Speaker 1: When she was leaving to go to school. I had
Speaker 1: to go to college. I was I wasn't I wasn't ready.
Speaker 1: Where did she go? She's in Dallas, did you consider
Speaker 1: was California part of it? Because I'm not even kidding
Speaker 1: and I know this is wrong, but we talked about
Speaker 1: all the time, like where we're going to move when
Speaker 1: she's exactly like where we're living, where we are going
Speaker 1: to Pepperdine, living in Malibu or Santa Barbara, like it
Speaker 1: has to be warm. We've had these yeah, but I
Speaker 1: know that's how I felt. I was like, I wherever
Speaker 1: you're going, I will go. And she really thought that,
Speaker 1: like you thought that from yeah, because I think it's real.
Speaker 1: So it's not real. It's not real because the problem
Speaker 1: is is they want their own space. When does that start?
Speaker 1: When do they want their own space? Because my daughter
Speaker 1: is obsessed with me, and she's twelve and more than
Speaker 1: her friends are obsessed with their parents. Like she likes
Speaker 1: on weekends to be with me, do a play date
Speaker 1: with them or a couple of things. But she wants
Speaker 1: to do activities with me. But I'm I'm crazy, like
Speaker 1: my you know, I'm We're always doing an adventure. Last
Speaker 1: weekend it was dunkin Donuts onesies and we went in
Speaker 1: to do a donut crawl and it's CBS or the
Speaker 1: dollars I'm like one of those people that just wants
Speaker 1: to do stupid things all the time, which is great,
Speaker 1: and that will that will stay. It's just gonna it's
Speaker 1: gonna change its shape. Yeah, if that makes sense. So
Speaker 1: like when Kat went to school, when you know, off
Speaker 1: to college, it's like it was hard because you know,
Speaker 1: just thinking, oh my god, I'm not gonna make her
Speaker 1: breakfast in the morning. Uh, but but we still, you know,
Speaker 1: before she we I drove her to school. So we
Speaker 1: had like a two day trip together, which, oh, that's
Speaker 1: so good. It was really helpful because before that we
Speaker 1: were both like what am I gonna do without you?
Speaker 1: And we were both just like I can't live without you.
Speaker 1: And by you know, after yes hours, I know want
Speaker 1: you to kill each other. That was great. You're just like, Okay,
Speaker 1: i'll see you later, I will see you in a month.
Speaker 1: Let's just get some space, right. Choice. It was helpful,
Speaker 1: it was and you need a choice, not Yeah, you
Speaker 1: get so excited you miss them, and then I'm like,
Speaker 1: I need my own person. We'll be out somewhere and
Speaker 1: we've just been doing it and I get I'm like,
Speaker 1: I need my own life and my own body and
Speaker 1: my own choice right now, so it's time. Yeah, that's hilarious.
Speaker 1: I love that. Wow, Well does she talk to you
Speaker 1: about sex and like did she get or no? Like
Speaker 1: when do they starting? When do they start kissing and
Speaker 1: they're lying about like they're telling you nothing's happening. When
Speaker 1: does this all start earlier? I don't know. I would
Speaker 1: imagine like sixth grade kissing. Oh yeah, and you you
Speaker 1: had the whole pandemic, Like don't you now feel like
Speaker 1: you can't believe you got that time if you were
Speaker 1: you know, like I don't know if you have pets,
Speaker 1: but with your pets, with your kids, like my pets,
Speaker 1: we are so close. My pets and my daughter were
Speaker 1: like so much closer because of all that time. And
Speaker 1: there was a lot of getting on each other's nerves too,
Speaker 1: But that was that made you closer to yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and and it also made it I think more difficult
Speaker 1: for her to and for us two part ways, because
Speaker 1: you spent we spent so much time together and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's it's like, oh, I'm she's leaving, right,
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. That was a weird time to
Speaker 1: have the pandemic right before the college leaf because because
Speaker 1: every day, all day, all all day, all night, what
Speaker 1: are you gonna have for dinner? What should we do?
Speaker 1: And we would and we would have our little dates
Speaker 1: because Cat and I would we go pick up sushi
Speaker 1: and sit in the car and eat, and we drive.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we drive to the beach just because I have
Speaker 1: a lot of people in my house, a lot of
Speaker 1: people in my house, so we would have our own
Speaker 1: little dates that it was fun. You know. I love that. Wow.
Speaker 1: I mean, I I you, and I need to get
Speaker 1: together with you in person, Like I never mean interesting people,
Speaker 1: and then I never reach out. I'm just like, I'm
Speaker 1: going to Florida in a two weeks, and I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: who do I know that I like in Florida? And
Speaker 1: then I remind reminding myself as someone I really like,
Speaker 1: like one time in California, just like I know I
Speaker 1: like you and I'm in California. Let's know, Yeah, I would.
Speaker 1: I want to get a drink with you me too.
Speaker 1: Um well, okay, I won't bother you because I'm not
Speaker 1: even talking about anything anymore. I'm just gonna ask you,
Speaker 1: like what your favorite color is soon and your ice
Speaker 1: cream flavor, and like like when you last got a pedicure.
Speaker 1: I have nothing to like. Ask it matters, But what
Speaker 1: were your rose and thorn of your career? Um? Well, gosh,
Speaker 1: I mean the thorns. It's hard because you know, you
Speaker 1: get sometimes you get close to getting up for me personally,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure every actor you get close to getting
Speaker 1: a big film that you think will change your life,
Speaker 1: and then you don't get it, and the film comes
Speaker 1: out and that other actress did a great job, but
Speaker 1: it also didn't seem to change her life, you know,
Speaker 1: So it's a bit of a life lesson All the time.
Speaker 1: As an actor, you put so much, you're so sure
Speaker 1: that if you've got this one thing, it would change
Speaker 1: your life. Um, And then in life goes on, you know,
Speaker 1: you mean, like anybody could say that in any job.
Speaker 1: And then later the puzzle pieces come together. So it
Speaker 1: can't be your thorn because it was your thorn in
Speaker 1: the moment, but later it became your rose because it
Speaker 1: dedfinitely matter in Yeah, I like, I I totally understand that.
Speaker 1: And is your life where you want it? Like? Do
Speaker 1: you feel balanced and at peace? So you hate saying
Speaker 1: to somebody you happy? Like me right now? I'm balanced
Speaker 1: in a piece I'm a little bored. I'm overall happy,
Speaker 1: but it's like I'm settled, but I'm a little you know,
Speaker 1: in my life just because you need you seem like
Speaker 1: you need to create something, you need to put it out.
Speaker 1: I don't want to challenge yourself and I don't want to.
Speaker 1: I think you do. I think no, I want don't.
Speaker 1: I've done a lot of work, You've done a lot.
Speaker 1: I don't want to go. I don't want to put
Speaker 1: the makeup on. I don't want to do what So
Speaker 1: I have the idea, but I don't want to do
Speaker 1: what it takes. It's funny because yeah, I totally know
Speaker 1: what you mean. Um, I am at a place where
Speaker 1: I'm very happy. I I feel I'm amazed at how
Speaker 1: my life has turned out and where I am and
Speaker 1: the people that I've been able to work with. So
Speaker 1: I feel just grateful every day. I mean, we're shooting
Speaker 1: another season of Curb Your Enthusiast. I shoot tomorrow. So
Speaker 1: I am just so I wake up the boarding, I'm like,
Speaker 1: holy balls, I can't believe that I get to do this.
Speaker 1: And at the same time, UM, working on this new
Speaker 1: company that has nothing to do with this business is
Speaker 1: really exciting to me because I'm learning stuff every day.
Speaker 1: You know, not that I'm not still learning stuff acting,
Speaker 1: but you know, I have a good idea of what's
Speaker 1: going to happen tomorrow as an actress. You know, I
Speaker 1: know what it takes and what what you need to do.
Speaker 1: And but with this company, I'm I'm learning something every day.
Speaker 1: I'm working with my daughter by says Serve, my brother,
Speaker 1: and we're really having a good time with it. So
Speaker 1: the next step will be, you know, when we launch.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that's going to look like. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't I I know that there will
Speaker 1: be roses and thorns that I can't even anticipate. So
Speaker 1: you have consistency and the show that is funny and
Speaker 1: fun and purposeful, and you're still in the game. You're relevant,
Speaker 1: you're in the action, and then you've got something that's
Speaker 1: a little bit of a question mark. So that gives
Speaker 1: you a little bit of that jolt. Yes, exactly, and
Speaker 1: not only that, but uh, there's a part of the
Speaker 1: starting a company that, um, you can control, you know,
Speaker 1: I can control what the products are, what the logo is,
Speaker 1: what our goal is, what we're working for, what I
Speaker 1: wanted to smell like what I wanted to feel like
Speaker 1: what I wanted to do, And that is really exciting.
Speaker 1: Where as an actor, I don't have much control over
Speaker 1: what my next job is. You know, you get a
Speaker 1: script and and you read it and you talk to
Speaker 1: the director or the producer and you know, one time
Speaker 1: I didn't get a job because I looked too much
Speaker 1: like the director's ex wife. Wow. So there are things
Speaker 1: that you can't control as an actor. You're too old,
Speaker 1: you're too young, you're too fat, you're too skinny. What
Speaker 1: things that you can't control? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So when there's something exciting about, something tangible that you
Speaker 1: can see and feel and look at and hold and
Speaker 1: um have a little control control over. Yeah, it's still creative,
Speaker 1: but it's got a box around it that you can Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's so true. You Paul, my fiance, produced a movie
Speaker 1: I forgot to tell you that I don't think was
Speaker 1: your greatest war nor his. But he is a real
Speaker 1: estate developer that's produced like thirteen movies and he's wonna
Speaker 1: a peabody Like it's it's nothing to be embarrassed about.
Speaker 1: But years ago you did a movie with him, not
Speaker 1: that he said, because I mentioned today that I was
Speaker 1: talking to you, and he was like, I don't think
Speaker 1: it was either of our finest moment. So I don't
Speaker 1: even know what it was called. But it was in
Speaker 1: the beginning of your career. I think. Let me look
Speaker 1: it up. Cold Turkey. Oh okay, Cold Turkey. Okay, yes,
Speaker 1: that film. Yeah, it wasn't your best work. I don't
Speaker 1: think or his right, he just said. He was like
Speaker 1: he made it like on his part, he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was in the beginning. I think was the first
Speaker 1: thing he ever did, and I don't think it's his
Speaker 1: best moment. You know what. I had a good time
Speaker 1: doing it, all right, Well that's I really. I really
Speaker 1: liked the people that I worked with, so that was good. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Did it Did it hit its mark? Probably not? But
Speaker 1: that's okay. Um, well you have hit your mark. I
Speaker 1: loved getting to know you and meeting you again, and
Speaker 1: it was really fun, really really nice. I do. I
Speaker 1: want to hang out with you, Bethany, me too. So
Speaker 1: I'm I'm making I'm gonna when I come to l
Speaker 1: A next which I have no plans yet, but I
Speaker 1: always have some we will get together. I would love
Speaker 1: nothing more awesome. Thanks Thanks Bethany Bye. Oh god. You
Speaker 1: know some days I'm just like, what am I going
Speaker 1: to talk about today? And you know, for some reason,
Speaker 1: Cheryl hines her background impressed doesn't have like, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of scandal or crazy things. And I could
Speaker 1: have talked to her forever. There was a point in
Speaker 1: that interview where I thought, like we had lunch, am
Speaker 1: I even should I stop talking to her? Like it
Speaker 1: was so fun, it was so great. I really like her,
Speaker 1: Like that's somebody I find people on this show that
Speaker 1: I would be girlfriends with because I'm very installar and
Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of girlfriends. I have people
Speaker 1: I've known for a thousand years. I don't trust anybody.
Speaker 1: And just life, it's it's so busy. It's hard to
Speaker 1: make new friends and you don't get time. Like I
Speaker 1: told her, we have drinks, it'll be five years from
Speaker 1: Thursday because we're both are busy. I loved her like
Speaker 1: I loved her. I thought she was awesome, real person.
Speaker 1: I'm going to call her when I go to l A.
Speaker 1: So what an interesting life, what a fun interview. Thank
Speaker 1: you for listening. Um so different than our other show,
Speaker 1: rewives and I love them both like two different children
Speaker 1: that are couldn't be more opposite. So thank you for listening, rate, review,
Speaker 1: and subscribe and have a wonderful day.