WEBVTT - Ants! Part 2!

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, everybody, chuck here real quick with some bad news

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<v Speaker 1>and sad news. Uh. Sketch Fest this year in San Francisco,

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<v Speaker 1>which is where we were gonna have our first live

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<v Speaker 1>show in two years here in a couple of weeks,

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<v Speaker 1>has been postponed. I believe they're looking to postponed it

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<v Speaker 1>by a whole year and kind of rebooked the whole

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<v Speaker 1>festival ideally, but you know, with what's going on around

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<v Speaker 1>the country with Omicron, they didn't feel like they could

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<v Speaker 1>press forward, and UH, as bummed as we are, we

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<v Speaker 1>think it's the right move as well. So, uh, if

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<v Speaker 1>you have tickets, just stay tuned for an announcement. I

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<v Speaker 1>think you will either probably be able to well I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not exactly sure what's gonna happen with them, maybe a

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<v Speaker 1>refund maybe if you hold onto them, they're good for

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<v Speaker 1>next year because we're probably gonna look in the same theater.

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<v Speaker 1>But listen up for announcement soon. And again, all apologies,

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<v Speaker 1>we're super sad about it. We're really looking forward to

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<v Speaker 1>getting back out there again. But until further notice, live

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<v Speaker 1>shows are still on hold. All right, now here we

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<v Speaker 1>go with the show. Welcome to stuff you should know

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<v Speaker 1>A production of I Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's Chuck and this is

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<v Speaker 1>stuff you should know. Part two about ants, which is

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<v Speaker 1>just knocking our socks off, and we we we released

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<v Speaker 1>this one on the first one on Tuesday. Chuck, my

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<v Speaker 1>socks are still off in its Thursday, that's right. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if you listen to part one, we tried

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<v Speaker 1>to throw in some amazing ant facts and I think

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<v Speaker 1>we I think we came through there, but most of

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<v Speaker 1>that was a little bit of the nuts and bolts.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Part two has got a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>wow factor because we talk a lot about a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more even about the social structure of these amazing insects. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So ants are great, great example of social speed, social

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<v Speaker 1>insect like bees, um, some wasps, but I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>plenty of solitary wasps too. But let's say, like bees,

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<v Speaker 1>they really kind of resemble bees in that sense. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And despite you know how many ants there are and

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<v Speaker 1>how many bees there are, um, apparently social insects um

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<v Speaker 1>only make up something like two percent of all insects species.

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<v Speaker 1>The rest are um solitary or anti social or drifters,

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of thing. So um, at the heart of

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<v Speaker 1>any uh social insect society is the queen and usually

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<v Speaker 1>chuck the who the whole thing is so hierarchical. There's

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<v Speaker 1>just like one queen. Yeah, this is this is the

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<v Speaker 1>one part that tripped me up a little bit as

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<v Speaker 1>far as they're as as far as that being a

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<v Speaker 1>benefit for their survival, I would think, like, hey, more queens,

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<v Speaker 1>more eggs, like there should be you know, not all queens,

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<v Speaker 1>because obviously I get that queens need a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>special care. Um, I mean, I guess let's talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Because queens get get fed. One reason that makes them

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<v Speaker 1>the queen is that they're the only sexually reproductive female

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<v Speaker 1>and that's the only thing she does is mate and

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<v Speaker 1>lay tons and tons of eggs. Uh. An army aunt

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<v Speaker 1>queen can lay up to three hundred thousand eggs in

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<v Speaker 1>a in a few days. Uh. And they're they're bigger,

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<v Speaker 1>like they're just they basically sit around, they mate, they

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<v Speaker 1>lay eggs, and they get fed a really protein rich diet,

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<v Speaker 1>so they grow up to like, you know, three or

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<v Speaker 1>four times the size of all the other ants. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And so with the queen, um, they're they're like you

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<v Speaker 1>said that One of the big differences are The difference

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<v Speaker 1>UM is that they're they're bigger than other um female ants,

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<v Speaker 1>which are worker ants. Genetically, they're basically the same, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just that they're much much bigger, which means UM somehow,

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<v Speaker 1>I think also from that protein rich diet. They're also

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<v Speaker 1>um they have ovaries that function as well, so they're

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<v Speaker 1>able to reproduce. But that's basically the only two differences.

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<v Speaker 1>And that just goes to show you that any um

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<v Speaker 1>worker egg can be raised into a queen, right and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see, you know, cases where that might happen. Another

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<v Speaker 1>difference is they live a lot longer. The queen ants

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<v Speaker 1>of the Black Garden aunt can live up to thirty

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<v Speaker 1>years apparently, Uh, female workers live about a year. And

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<v Speaker 1>I guess we can talk a little bit about the males.

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<v Speaker 1>The poor male aunt, uh, they only live a week.

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<v Speaker 1>They are hatched from unfer They don't even bother to

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<v Speaker 1>fertilized eggs. For the males, they had from unfertilized eggs,

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<v Speaker 1>whereas all females had from fertilized eggs. And the males,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they did their thing. They're there too to

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<v Speaker 1>impregnate the queen and then they die. There's sex. Sex

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<v Speaker 1>slaves is what they are. Yeah, and and David points out,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Dave Russ helped us with this. He said, basically,

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<v Speaker 1>almost any ant that you see is probably a female ant. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>not just because, um, the workers are responsible for doing everything.

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<v Speaker 1>But like you said, the lifespan of male land is

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<v Speaker 1>so short, the chances of you seeing one are pretty slim,

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<v Speaker 1>although as we'll see, there are some some times where

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<v Speaker 1>they're on such full spectacular display that you actually may

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<v Speaker 1>have seen male lands before. Sure. Yeah, we'll get to

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<v Speaker 1>that weirdness in a minute. But the females are the

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<v Speaker 1>workers that you know. It's like, uh, where was wonder

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<v Speaker 1>woman from? Uh? Amazonia? Amazonia. It's kind of like the

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<v Speaker 1>society there. It's just it's all these ladies making things

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<v Speaker 1>happen as a big group, all in service to this queen.

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<v Speaker 1>And the workers do everything. They've feed and care for

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<v Speaker 1>the young, they feed and care for the queen. They

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<v Speaker 1>go out and get the food, they maintain that nest

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<v Speaker 1>in the colony, which we'll talk about. It's just remarkable

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<v Speaker 1>what they do. Uh. They're the police force, they're the army,

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<v Speaker 1>they're the custodians. They do everything. Yeah, so like everything

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<v Speaker 1>that has nothing to do with um eating and laying eggs.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's that's the workers doing all that stuff. It's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty cool. And depending on the species, sometimes the workers

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<v Speaker 1>are um more specialized than another species. Sometimes they'll be

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<v Speaker 1>like major workers who are much larger UM than the

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<v Speaker 1>minor workers, so they'll be the ones that go out

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<v Speaker 1>and like forage and maybe defend the nest while the

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<v Speaker 1>minor workers, the smaller ones, are left behind to tend

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<v Speaker 1>to the the larva and the pup a and um

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<v Speaker 1>and basically raise the next generation. So there's there can

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<v Speaker 1>be like specialization of what you do as an ant

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<v Speaker 1>depending on your size or how you were raised. That's right,

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<v Speaker 1>and so uh, it's a very strict castiste and basically

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<v Speaker 1>um there's no like working your way up the ladder.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like you kind of have your job. You're

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<v Speaker 1>happy to do it. Um Ants are very happy, emotional

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<v Speaker 1>little insects, right, Yeah, they really wear their hearts on

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<v Speaker 1>their sleeves. You can tell if an ant is having

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<v Speaker 1>a bad day. But the good thing about it is

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<v Speaker 1>you can cheer them up pretty pretty easily. To just

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<v Speaker 1>hold your finger out lit him climb up on your finger.

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<v Speaker 1>They find it so delightful and if you have a

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<v Speaker 1>little honeydew in your pocket, you can really turn their

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<v Speaker 1>day around. Uh. Now, you know we said we mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>the males just basically impregnate the queen then die, but

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't really quite get this part about the genetics

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<v Speaker 1>of the chromosomeal genetics. So basically, a male is just

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<v Speaker 1>an egg that has a genome from it his mother

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<v Speaker 1>from the queen. Usually the queen um a female is created,

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<v Speaker 1>so like that would mean that all unfertilized eggs are males,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the queen comes along and fertilizes some select ones.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think it's actually dependent on what the workers

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<v Speaker 1>point out. I think the workers actually decide how many

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<v Speaker 1>new female workers are needed compared to how many males

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<v Speaker 1>are are needed. And then the queen comes along and

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<v Speaker 1>fertilizes some proportion of those unfertilized male eggs, and then

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<v Speaker 1>those become workers female workers. And then in some cases

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<v Speaker 1>when there's not a queen, say a queen died or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that, a colony would find itself up the creek.

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<v Speaker 1>But apparently there's plenty of ants species where the workers

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<v Speaker 1>can actually lay unfertilized male eggs to raise a generation

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<v Speaker 1>of males that can mate with a queen that the

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<v Speaker 1>um that the workers produce as well, so the workers

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<v Speaker 1>can keep a colony from dying off if the queen dies. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>After I saw that some of these queens can live

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<v Speaker 1>thirty years, I just became paranoid about like accidentally killing

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<v Speaker 1>a queen. But I think that probably doesn't happen because

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<v Speaker 1>they're never out there to be stepped on, right, No,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's you pretty much won't have to invade a

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<v Speaker 1>nest like you're an exterminator if you're killing the queen.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, But that's what they do. I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what they're trying to go after the queen. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're we have um a mole problem in my yard.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm just like, I guess we have a mole

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<v Speaker 1>problem because I'm certainly not gonna let somebody come along

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<v Speaker 1>and drop m eight s into these mole holes and

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<v Speaker 1>blow them up. But luckily I found a service that

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<v Speaker 1>uses something called mole scram and it's just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like an irritant, but it doesn't actually hurt them in

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<v Speaker 1>any way. They just don't want to be around it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm gonna give that one a try, because they

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<v Speaker 1>will mess up your lawn really quickly. I thought you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna say, a guy comes by with a flute, I

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<v Speaker 1>wish leads them down to your neighbor's out. I just

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<v Speaker 1>did our pipe Piper episode as a select so I

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<v Speaker 1>heard it recently and it's really good. But the first

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<v Speaker 1>twenty minutes is really odd. It's like oddly like we're

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<v Speaker 1>like challenging one another and it's just really weird. And

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<v Speaker 1>then I don't know, we're just like showing off to

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<v Speaker 1>another You'll just have to listen to It's it's pretty interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>but it really it really um comes out on top.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a good episode. Interesting, that's not the stuff you

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<v Speaker 1>should know way, I know, That's what I'm saying. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's weird. It's a weird start join episode, but usually

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<v Speaker 1>shrink in the face of competition. That's all right. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't challenge each other. You get very strange, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess we need to get to the nests here. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>this is kind of some of the most remarkable stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that you're ever gonna see. I saw this one. Do

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<v Speaker 1>yourself a favor go to YouTube and I can't remember

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<v Speaker 1>what the search term was, but like amazing, uh aunt

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<v Speaker 1>colony or something like that, and it's like a three

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<v Speaker 1>minute video where they found uh They wanted to research

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<v Speaker 1>what these things look like below ground, and so they

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<v Speaker 1>pumped um concrete into the hole. I don't know where

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<v Speaker 1>this was. It took ten tons of concrete to fill

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<v Speaker 1>this thing, and then they let it sit for a

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<v Speaker 1>month and then they you know, excavated or whatever like

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<v Speaker 1>you would a fossil and dig around it and they

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<v Speaker 1>dug out what ended up being. It looked like about

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<v Speaker 1>the size of a Little League baseball in field, twenties

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<v Speaker 1>six ft deep, a hundred and seventy ft across, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was one of the most unbelievable things I've ever seen.

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<v Speaker 1>It looked like, literally like an architect had designed it.

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<v Speaker 1>Um they were talking about the efficiencies of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>every tube was like it was the shortest route to

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<v Speaker 1>get to the next thing. It was like it looked

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<v Speaker 1>like it had been purposefully designed that way. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>just the the DNA of these ants that know how

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<v Speaker 1>to do this stuff. So, yeah, you you mentioned something

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<v Speaker 1>important that the tunnels and the connections they make between

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<v Speaker 1>all these chambers, they do tend to be like the

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<v Speaker 1>shortest route between them, and ants also apparently will will

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<v Speaker 1>um burrow on these really kind of steep angles, but

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<v Speaker 1>they're at the angle of repose, which is the steepest

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<v Speaker 1>angle that's something like pile of dirt or a pile

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<v Speaker 1>of sand can maintain without collapsing. And somehow ants just no, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the angle I need to be to be

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<v Speaker 1>um digging at. Yeah, I saw that one thing you sent, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and I guess we can talk about the force chains here.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty interesting. But um, when they were studying these ants,

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<v Speaker 1>they thought maybe like maybe they're doing like a game

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<v Speaker 1>of Jinga when they're making these tunnels where they they

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<v Speaker 1>feel a little bit and kind of touch the block

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<v Speaker 1>which in this case or little individual grains of sand

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<v Speaker 1>or dirt or whatever, to see if it would weaken

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<v Speaker 1>the structure. And I think after the end of this

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<v Speaker 1>experiment they were like, no, they're not they're not doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>They are just coded to do this. Yeah, And they

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<v Speaker 1>were like, we have no idea how ants know what

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<v Speaker 1>little grains of sand or dirt to pull out and

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<v Speaker 1>what ones they shouldn't because their load bearing grains. But

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<v Speaker 1>they just do and they're really successful at it. And

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<v Speaker 1>what they what they somehow are aware of, is that

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<v Speaker 1>there are things called what you said, force chains, where

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<v Speaker 1>if you follow like a force chain of soil or

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<v Speaker 1>dirt underground, like in a cross section of ground, um,

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<v Speaker 1>those are the things that are holding the soil in place.

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<v Speaker 1>And not all of the pieces or grains of dirt

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<v Speaker 1>or sand are responsible for holding the soil in place.

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<v Speaker 1>So you could conceivably move one and leave another in place,

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<v Speaker 1>and that that column of sand or dirt above is

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<v Speaker 1>going to stay. In tech somehow ants know what grains

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<v Speaker 1>are load bearing and what grains aren't. And so when

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<v Speaker 1>they're doing this, they're actually removing, um the sands that

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<v Speaker 1>that aren't part of the force chain. And when they

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<v Speaker 1>do chuck, it actually reinforces the structure of the force

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<v Speaker 1>chain that it diverts it to the outside of the

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<v Speaker 1>tunnel they're digging, which just makes it that much stronger.

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<v Speaker 1>And there and again they're not just kind of testing

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<v Speaker 1>it like a game of jinga like that would make sense,

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<v Speaker 1>and I see why they thought that might be. What's

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<v Speaker 1>happening is like they push a little bit to see

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<v Speaker 1>if anything starts to give, it's again, it's just like

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred and thirty million years of practice. Yeah. And

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<v Speaker 1>because they're so good at at creating these burrows and

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<v Speaker 1>tunnels and chambers that that not only UM maintained, but

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<v Speaker 1>also actually reinforced the force chains underground. UM like an

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<v Speaker 1>ant colony, a subtraining and colony might hold up for

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<v Speaker 1>decades once they dig it out. I felt terrible when

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<v Speaker 1>I saw this thing being pumped full of concrete. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know if it was vacant or you know, there

0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:27.680
<v Speaker 1>was some pretty decent pile of dirt on top. But um,

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<v Speaker 1>I know you made the point with that stuff he

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<v Speaker 1>sent over that it's sort of like the tip of

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<v Speaker 1>the iceberg. If you see a little ant hill in

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<v Speaker 1>your neighborhood here in the United States, it's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>twelve inches across and like sixtright inches. I there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more going on under the surface. Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>tens of feet underground. Like you said, the size of

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<v Speaker 1>a little league field laid out on its side, tipped

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<v Speaker 1>up on its end, and buried underground. That's enormous. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean this thing was huge. It was really really

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<v Speaker 1>something Okay, chuck. So we're starting to get a little

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<v Speaker 1>worked up. I think we need to melow out again.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want to take a break, Yeah, let's do it. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll be right back everybody, all right, So we would

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<v Speaker 1>you with a little bit on these ant colonies in

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<v Speaker 1>the nest and what's going on underground. I mentioned at

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of episode one, these army ants who don't

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<v Speaker 1>root down in a specific place. They're one of the

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<v Speaker 1>only nomadic species, and they go miles and miles, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a long long way for a little tiny ant,

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<v Speaker 1>up to a million at a time, and to go

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<v Speaker 1>to these places, they need to eat a lot of food,

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<v Speaker 1>and they basically make what are temporary encampments out of themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of like fire ants make a raft

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<v Speaker 1>out of themselves. These guys make a bivouac out of themselves. Yeah.

0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:09.440
<v Speaker 1>They make a big I mean, look this up again

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<v Speaker 1>with these pictures. It's a it looks like a big

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<v Speaker 1>ant ball, but I guess it's hollow on the inside, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And then underneath you've got a bunch of different kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of worker ants um raising and directing where to where

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<v Speaker 1>to fertilize, and feeding and creating a new generation of

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<v Speaker 1>worker ants, and then after that generation is raised to adults,

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<v Speaker 1>they break down their bivouac and DeCamp and just keep moving. Unbelievable,

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<v Speaker 1>truly remarkable. They also can form super colonies. I know

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<v Speaker 1>that there's a um one kind of ant. It's an

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<v Speaker 1>Argentinian ant that they don't do this in Argentina, but

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<v Speaker 1>in Europe they there is one super colony that goes

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<v Speaker 1>up the coast from Italy to Spain for thirty seven

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<v Speaker 1>hundred miles. That is all technically one, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like one big. It's like the Pando of ants. They

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<v Speaker 1>just get together with their friends and they're like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I know these people are like behind me by ten ft.

0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:11.040
<v Speaker 1>You want to meet them? And then that linked up

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<v Speaker 1>for thirty seven miles. Yes, all from Italy to Spain

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<v Speaker 1>to northwest Spain. It's just astounding. And you said something

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<v Speaker 1>really important. You said that they don't this Argentinian aunt

0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:26.359
<v Speaker 1>doesn't do that back in Argentina, and um they looked

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<v Speaker 1>into why, and apparently the reason why is because back

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<v Speaker 1>in Argentina they're very genetically diverse, so that that neighbor

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<v Speaker 1>ten feet away is basically an enemy because all of

0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:40.000
<v Speaker 1>these ants are trying to preserve their queen's line as

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<v Speaker 1>as best they can, So another nest is just a

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<v Speaker 1>totally different genetic line, so it's a it's an enemy.

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<v Speaker 1>But when they find land somewhere new, like say Italy

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<v Speaker 1>or Spain or whatever, that's a much less genetically diverse group.

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<v Speaker 1>So as it reproduces, they form nearby colonies that are

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<v Speaker 1>pretty similar to the original colony or the last colony.

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<v Speaker 1>And so you have these massive super colonies that are

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<v Speaker 1>super cooperative because there are basically just extensions of the

0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:15.200
<v Speaker 1>queen's genetic line. Wow. Yeah yeah. And apparently ants also

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<v Speaker 1>get from places like Argentina to Italy and have spread

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<v Speaker 1>throughout the world largely thanks to humans who use like

0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:25.399
<v Speaker 1>soil and sand as ship's ballast. And then when you

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<v Speaker 1>get to the next place, you unload the ballast and

0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:30.760
<v Speaker 1>there's all those ants you dug up from the last

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<v Speaker 1>place you just set sail from. Wow, I don't know

0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:36.600
<v Speaker 1>that that's how they gotten around. That's how they think

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<v Speaker 1>that the uh, the red imported fire ant came here.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So that's pretty good. Here's another remarkable thing

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<v Speaker 1>about ants. Uh Ants don't fly. Generally, everyone knows that

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<v Speaker 1>ants don't have wings. But if a colony is super

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<v Speaker 1>successful and there are too many ants and they're out

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<v Speaker 1>growing their own living conditions, they will just grow wings

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<v Speaker 1>and fly up in the air males and females and

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<v Speaker 1>have a big mid air right, That's that's what it is. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>for sure. They grow wings and they say, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna have wings now everyone. I know we don't normally,

0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:17.240
<v Speaker 1>but we're getting too big, so we're all gonna grow wings.

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<v Speaker 1>Then let's go up and fly in the air and

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<v Speaker 1>have sex. So so um, when the when the colony

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<v Speaker 1>gets too big, there's some sort of signal that the

0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:26.720
<v Speaker 1>workers pick up on. They're like, oh, things are getting

0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:28.600
<v Speaker 1>a little crowded here. I'm not sure what it is.

0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:30.840
<v Speaker 1>Nobody is sure what it is at the moment, but

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<v Speaker 1>there's some signal they pick up on, and so they

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<v Speaker 1>start raising a generation of queens, of virgin queens called princesses,

0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:44.960
<v Speaker 1>and those princesses um fly off on this Usually it's

0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:47.359
<v Speaker 1>not really actually a day, but in some places like

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<v Speaker 1>the UK, they celebrated as flying aunt d a kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like how you know when um uh cicadas come

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<v Speaker 1>up after like seventeen years here in the States. I

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<v Speaker 1>get the impression it's kind of like that, although it

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<v Speaker 1>happens every year. Um. And if it's hu it out,

0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:02.800
<v Speaker 1>if it's hot out and it rained the night before,

0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:05.360
<v Speaker 1>there's a good chance you're gonna see swarms of flying

0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:08.520
<v Speaker 1>ants having air sex. Like you were saying, um, but

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<v Speaker 1>what those are different virgin queens and they're going as

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<v Speaker 1>far away from their their nest as possible because that

0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:18.919
<v Speaker 1>increases the likelihood that they're going to find, um, some

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<v Speaker 1>of the generations of winged male drones that were raised

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<v Speaker 1>in other nests, and they're going to have sex, and

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<v Speaker 1>then they're going to go off and found their own

0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:30.880
<v Speaker 1>nests after that. Now that they've been now that they've

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<v Speaker 1>gotten some sperm, that's right, And they can store the

0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:36.359
<v Speaker 1>sperm for quite a long time. In some cases, the

0:20:36.440 --> 0:20:40.359
<v Speaker 1>queen leafcutter ant can store viable sperm for up to

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years and just eat it out a little one

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<v Speaker 1>little bit at a time. And these were dave used

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<v Speaker 1>and just keep fertilized in generation after generation of eggs. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't think we said the name of this

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<v Speaker 1>air sex there. Actually it's called nuptial flights. Yeah. I

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<v Speaker 1>remember in the Firefly episode they had like nuptial gifts. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, we've talked about that somewhere. I looked

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<v Speaker 1>it up. It was definitely fireflies. It's pretty amazing. And

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<v Speaker 1>then after that, you know, the males, as always, they

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<v Speaker 1>die off, and then hopefully you got a bunch of

0:21:10.040 --> 0:21:14.040
<v Speaker 1>new colonies. Yeah. If so, this is like the one

0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:17.040
<v Speaker 1>time the queen is off on her own for about

0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:20.160
<v Speaker 1>two or three weeks. She's like busy founding an entirely

0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:23.400
<v Speaker 1>new colony. Um. There's nobody there to feed her. Um.

0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:25.959
<v Speaker 1>She's just laying a bunch of eggs and she's choosing

0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:29.240
<v Speaker 1>which or fertile, which to fertilize, which not. She's probably

0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:31.240
<v Speaker 1>fertilizing most of them because she needs a lot of

0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:34.240
<v Speaker 1>workers right then, and not very many male drones to

0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:38.200
<v Speaker 1>have sex with, so she's basically just laying in fertilizing

0:21:38.480 --> 0:21:42.920
<v Speaker 1>worker eggs, hatches them herself, and then once she successfully

0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:45.840
<v Speaker 1>has a generation or two of workers under her belt,

0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:48.880
<v Speaker 1>now her colonies got a pretty good chance of becoming

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<v Speaker 1>stable because the workers can start to take over. She

0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:53.879
<v Speaker 1>can do what she does, which is lay hundreds to

0:21:53.920 --> 0:21:57.119
<v Speaker 1>thousands or hundreds of thousands of lay eggs every day,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right. So if you ever see ants flying around,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what's going on. Yeah, and they're they're they're not.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't confuse them with termites. Apparently they do bear some similarities,

0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:08.000
<v Speaker 1>but if you look closely, you can you can tell

0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:11.440
<v Speaker 1>the difference. Like just the color alone is a dead giveaway. Yeah,

0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:15.000
<v Speaker 1>I think termites are usually kind of white. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>the infestation in your house, it's it's probably termites, Yeah,

0:22:19.359 --> 0:22:22.320
<v Speaker 1>because the ants are flying around outside. They don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to be inside right now, not for their nuptial flight,

0:22:25.040 --> 0:22:27.520
<v Speaker 1>that's right. So that must be like a pretty lonely

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<v Speaker 1>and scary two or three weeks for that that new queen,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I would say, So, I didn't get a

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<v Speaker 1>good sense of what the sort of survival rate for

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<v Speaker 1>that was. I didn't either. I'll bet it's all over

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<v Speaker 1>the place, because again, there's like ten thousand to fourteen

0:22:41.200 --> 0:22:44.639
<v Speaker 1>thousand species of ant, you know. Yeah, but it seems

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<v Speaker 1>like a big deal when it happens, when they finally

0:22:48.240 --> 0:22:51.879
<v Speaker 1>reached that they're carrying capacity or whatever, and they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, we gotta do this thing. It seems like

0:22:54.320 --> 0:22:56.440
<v Speaker 1>it's a. It's a big deal to kind of split

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<v Speaker 1>up that colony. One thing I didn't see is if

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<v Speaker 1>you could make a bard of um winged ants like

0:23:02.240 --> 0:23:05.280
<v Speaker 1>you could a swarm of bees, because they have, would

0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:08.959
<v Speaker 1>be really impressive. Oh that just makes me itchy just

0:23:09.000 --> 0:23:12.120
<v Speaker 1>thinking about it. So maybe we should talk a little

0:23:12.119 --> 0:23:15.440
<v Speaker 1>bit about the leaf cutter ant. Uh. If you see

0:23:15.480 --> 0:23:17.760
<v Speaker 1>videos of the leaf cutter, you've if you've seen any

0:23:17.840 --> 0:23:20.440
<v Speaker 1>documentary on ants, they probably talked a lot about the

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<v Speaker 1>leaf cutter because those are the ones that you know,

0:23:23.800 --> 0:23:27.119
<v Speaker 1>literally cut the leaf with those mandibles and you see them,

0:23:27.200 --> 0:23:29.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, it looks like they gotta looks like they

0:23:29.320 --> 0:23:32.720
<v Speaker 1>got a carpet knife. And how cleanly they cut through

0:23:32.760 --> 0:23:36.560
<v Speaker 1>that Christmas paper. It's really neat, uh leaf and then

0:23:36.680 --> 0:23:39.080
<v Speaker 1>one bit of leaf at a time, they're marching that

0:23:39.080 --> 0:23:41.560
<v Speaker 1>stuff out of there. Yeah, and I mean they these

0:23:41.640 --> 0:23:44.200
<v Speaker 1>leaves are enormous compared to the bodyway. But again, remember

0:23:44.240 --> 0:23:46.720
<v Speaker 1>ants are super strong, and leaf cutter ants in particular

0:23:46.800 --> 0:23:49.960
<v Speaker 1>can be very strong. They we talked about how um

0:23:50.040 --> 0:23:54.920
<v Speaker 1>sometimes workers are divided up into different specialties. Leaf cutters

0:23:54.920 --> 0:23:57.840
<v Speaker 1>are one of those where they have majors. They're the

0:23:57.840 --> 0:23:59.720
<v Speaker 1>biggest and the strongest of all of them, so they

0:23:59.720 --> 0:24:02.760
<v Speaker 1>carry enormous leaves compared to their body um. And they

0:24:02.800 --> 0:24:06.880
<v Speaker 1>actually are basically like cutting down paths like machetes um

0:24:06.920 --> 0:24:09.359
<v Speaker 1>to to clear a path for the smaller ones. The

0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:12.760
<v Speaker 1>media and then the miniums that try the media do

0:24:12.920 --> 0:24:16.760
<v Speaker 1>carry a lot of the leaves. But the little miniums,

0:24:16.800 --> 0:24:19.960
<v Speaker 1>those little guys are just the farmers, uh, and they

0:24:20.040 --> 0:24:23.320
<v Speaker 1>tend to this fungus. And this is you know, it's

0:24:23.359 --> 0:24:26.080
<v Speaker 1>pretty cool enough that they take these leaves, they cut

0:24:26.119 --> 0:24:29.359
<v Speaker 1>them up, and they transport them over these distances, uh,

0:24:29.560 --> 0:24:32.719
<v Speaker 1>considering how heavy they are. But the really remarkable thing

0:24:32.720 --> 0:24:35.840
<v Speaker 1>about the leaf cutter is that they are just as

0:24:35.920 --> 0:24:38.960
<v Speaker 1>the other ants um kind of raise the cattle of

0:24:39.000 --> 0:24:43.760
<v Speaker 1>these little apods. These are actual farmers of a fungus

0:24:44.440 --> 0:24:47.359
<v Speaker 1>and they have the symbiotic relationship with this fungus that

0:24:47.400 --> 0:24:52.640
<v Speaker 1>they farm underground. Yeah, so when they cut these leaves,

0:24:52.640 --> 0:24:55.919
<v Speaker 1>they're they're fertilizing the fungus with these leaves to to

0:24:56.119 --> 0:24:58.960
<v Speaker 1>let them decompose and let the fungus basically eat the leaves.

0:24:59.000 --> 0:25:03.119
<v Speaker 1>The adults act really um drink the sap from the

0:25:03.200 --> 0:25:05.960
<v Speaker 1>leaves because it's it's sweet. But they don't actually leave

0:25:06.000 --> 0:25:08.720
<v Speaker 1>the leaves. They leave the leaves for the fungus. And

0:25:08.720 --> 0:25:11.440
<v Speaker 1>the reason that they grow fungus and like, there's really

0:25:11.480 --> 0:25:13.800
<v Speaker 1>no better word to describe what they do than farm.

0:25:13.920 --> 0:25:17.080
<v Speaker 1>They farm this fungus. They tend to it, they heal

0:25:17.160 --> 0:25:19.040
<v Speaker 1>it when it's sick, they know how to harvest it,

0:25:19.080 --> 0:25:21.520
<v Speaker 1>they know how to get it to grow just right. Um,

0:25:21.560 --> 0:25:24.280
<v Speaker 1>the reason that they farm this fungus is because it

0:25:24.320 --> 0:25:28.720
<v Speaker 1>produces a food that the ants harvest to feed their young,

0:25:28.920 --> 0:25:32.440
<v Speaker 1>to raise their young on. So symbiotic is right because

0:25:32.440 --> 0:25:35.920
<v Speaker 1>they definitely want this fungus to be as healthy as possible.

0:25:36.160 --> 0:25:39.240
<v Speaker 1>So the fungus really thrives in the presence of these ants,

0:25:39.440 --> 0:25:42.760
<v Speaker 1>and the fungus in turn provides the ants with food

0:25:42.800 --> 0:25:46.120
<v Speaker 1>for their young, but also in some cases chuck um

0:25:46.400 --> 0:25:50.520
<v Speaker 1>antibiotics like ana microbials that that the fungus produces the

0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:53.360
<v Speaker 1>ants will coat them their bodies with and it will

0:25:53.400 --> 0:25:56.919
<v Speaker 1>prevent them from being infected as well. Yeah, and not

0:25:57.000 --> 0:26:00.120
<v Speaker 1>only that, if they if they need to split off

0:26:00.160 --> 0:26:02.920
<v Speaker 1>they don't like growings and fly up and have arab

0:26:03.000 --> 0:26:06.440
<v Speaker 1>nuturals or whatever, they just leave. But just like you

0:26:06.480 --> 0:26:11.120
<v Speaker 1>would carry the a sour dough mother, uh to your

0:26:11.280 --> 0:26:14.120
<v Speaker 1>to your new bakery. They actually carry a big chunk

0:26:14.119 --> 0:26:17.080
<v Speaker 1>of that fungus over to start their new crop in

0:26:17.119 --> 0:26:21.520
<v Speaker 1>their new home. That's so cool. It's amazing, it really is,

0:26:21.880 --> 0:26:24.679
<v Speaker 1>especially if you imagine the fungus having a face and

0:26:24.840 --> 0:26:30.000
<v Speaker 1>talking right and also being really grateful for the help.

0:26:30.520 --> 0:26:32.440
<v Speaker 1>I think in the in the in the movie they did,

0:26:32.440 --> 0:26:34.479
<v Speaker 1>in the animated film they did. I think of it

0:26:34.480 --> 0:26:36.120
<v Speaker 1>as kind of like looking like have you ever seen

0:26:36.160 --> 0:26:42.040
<v Speaker 1>that movie basket Case? Have I seen what was that? No, terrible,

0:26:42.160 --> 0:26:45.280
<v Speaker 1>terrible b horror movie from like the late seventies, yea,

0:26:45.720 --> 0:26:48.000
<v Speaker 1>like the guy carried his brother around in a basket.

0:26:48.480 --> 0:26:49.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I saw that, but I think I

0:26:49.720 --> 0:26:52.200
<v Speaker 1>remember that when I worked at Vision Video in college.

0:26:52.359 --> 0:26:55.760
<v Speaker 1>So bad. It's really really bad, But it looks kind

0:26:55.760 --> 0:26:57.640
<v Speaker 1>of like a little piece of fungus that you would

0:26:57.640 --> 0:27:02.080
<v Speaker 1>carry to a new ant cole. This is what kept

0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:04.280
<v Speaker 1>flashing through my head. I wish you would get out

0:27:04.280 --> 0:27:06.280
<v Speaker 1>of my head. But I need to look at that

0:27:06.280 --> 0:27:09.199
<v Speaker 1>poster or that movie box because it's it's in my

0:27:09.280 --> 0:27:12.520
<v Speaker 1>brain somewhere. I just can't call it up. Let's let's

0:27:12.560 --> 0:27:15.199
<v Speaker 1>watch that movie together tonight. All right, let's do it.

0:27:16.119 --> 0:27:22.520
<v Speaker 1>I'll truf butter. Oh man, you're making me hungry. You

0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:24.760
<v Speaker 1>first you wanted a twinkie, Now you want some popcorn

0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:27.879
<v Speaker 1>with truffle butter. Alright, what I really want to do

0:27:27.960 --> 0:27:30.280
<v Speaker 1>is take a break and then we will finish up

0:27:30.560 --> 0:27:33.560
<v Speaker 1>all about ants at least for now, unless we said,

0:27:33.600 --> 0:27:35.920
<v Speaker 1>he come back and to this well again and we'll

0:27:35.920 --> 0:28:03.160
<v Speaker 1>talk about how they communicate via these pheromones right after this. Okay, Chuck,

0:28:03.240 --> 0:28:05.439
<v Speaker 1>So I think we said at the top of the

0:28:05.520 --> 0:28:09.639
<v Speaker 1>first episode that pheromones are basically they may be the

0:28:09.840 --> 0:28:14.800
<v Speaker 1>thing that ants use to to um to to carry

0:28:14.800 --> 0:28:17.879
<v Speaker 1>out just about all of their individual behavior, which collectively,

0:28:17.920 --> 0:28:20.120
<v Speaker 1>if you put millions of ants together doing the same thing,

0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:24.000
<v Speaker 1>knowing what they're supposed to do, much more complex behaviors emerged.

0:28:24.080 --> 0:28:27.760
<v Speaker 1>But it seems to largely come down to these pheromones,

0:28:27.800 --> 0:28:31.600
<v Speaker 1>which are kind of like since um that the ants

0:28:31.840 --> 0:28:35.400
<v Speaker 1>pick up kind of like noses using their antenna instead.

0:28:35.960 --> 0:28:40.160
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like a language almost two. Because they're communicating.

0:28:40.840 --> 0:28:44.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean we should also say that they also uh,

0:28:45.000 --> 0:28:48.520
<v Speaker 1>they can like drum on their abdomen to raise an alarm.

0:28:48.640 --> 0:28:52.880
<v Speaker 1>They can make different sounds like crickets. Uh, they can

0:28:52.920 --> 0:28:55.280
<v Speaker 1>they can rub different parts of their body. They can

0:28:55.520 --> 0:29:00.440
<v Speaker 1>rub their legs against their exoskeleton, is called stridulation. They

0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:03.920
<v Speaker 1>can vibrate their mandibles. So they do sort of speak

0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:06.360
<v Speaker 1>in some ways and here in some ways, But it

0:29:06.440 --> 0:29:09.920
<v Speaker 1>seems like it seems almost secondary to what's going on

0:29:09.960 --> 0:29:13.040
<v Speaker 1>with this this pheromone thing. Yeah, because there's just so

0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:17.560
<v Speaker 1>many different pheromones, and they produce pheromones from a special

0:29:17.600 --> 0:29:21.440
<v Speaker 1>scent gland um and the they you I don't know

0:29:22.120 --> 0:29:26.640
<v Speaker 1>how they differentiate pheromones when they're producing them, but different

0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:29.360
<v Speaker 1>It seems like they have different pheromones for different things

0:29:29.360 --> 0:29:33.040
<v Speaker 1>that they're trying to signal, like there's an alarm signal. Um.

0:29:33.080 --> 0:29:35.760
<v Speaker 1>They use pheromones to recruit some ants to go do

0:29:35.840 --> 0:29:38.760
<v Speaker 1>something like if if one's maybe tending to the nest

0:29:39.120 --> 0:29:42.040
<v Speaker 1>and another one needs help tunneling, it will it will

0:29:42.080 --> 0:29:44.560
<v Speaker 1>create some pheromones signal and recruit the other aunt to

0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:48.240
<v Speaker 1>come help. It um. They mark territory with it um.

0:29:48.320 --> 0:29:51.640
<v Speaker 1>They will, uh, they will use it to discourage rivals,

0:29:51.720 --> 0:29:54.720
<v Speaker 1>like if somebody's trying to lay eggs or cannibalize eggs.

0:29:54.760 --> 0:29:57.560
<v Speaker 1>They can use pheromones for that kind of stuff. Basically

0:29:57.800 --> 0:30:01.080
<v Speaker 1>almost all of their communications seems to be pheromones, and

0:30:01.120 --> 0:30:05.920
<v Speaker 1>that communication is really varied and wide. Yeah. So a

0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:08.840
<v Speaker 1>great example Dave uses is if there's an intruder, if

0:30:08.880 --> 0:30:12.800
<v Speaker 1>like a spider comes upon an ant nest, the ants

0:30:12.840 --> 0:30:14.960
<v Speaker 1>that see the spider come in that are I guess,

0:30:14.960 --> 0:30:17.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, these soldier ants standing guard near the opening.

0:30:17.960 --> 0:30:20.880
<v Speaker 1>They will start to admit the alarm pheromone I guess,

0:30:20.920 --> 0:30:26.040
<v Speaker 1>along with beating on their abdomens uh for this alarm vibration,

0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:29.520
<v Speaker 1>and then it becomes sort of like a game of telephone.

0:30:30.120 --> 0:30:34.280
<v Speaker 1>The next closest ants here this stuff. Some of them might,

0:30:34.360 --> 0:30:36.480
<v Speaker 1>depending on what their job is, rush up to help

0:30:36.960 --> 0:30:39.520
<v Speaker 1>if they're like soldier ants or you know, or guard

0:30:39.560 --> 0:30:42.600
<v Speaker 1>ants that will help guard the nest. Others run back

0:30:43.040 --> 0:30:46.160
<v Speaker 1>and they admit pheromones to tell everyone else, and then

0:30:46.200 --> 0:30:49.120
<v Speaker 1>they all start emitting pheromones, and it's essentially like a

0:30:49.240 --> 0:30:53.040
<v Speaker 1>volume knob going up until everyone knows what's happening, or

0:30:53.120 --> 0:30:55.600
<v Speaker 1>until the emergency is over or both. Yeah, and the

0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:59.800
<v Speaker 1>emergency is signaled as over because the pheromones start to

0:31:00.000 --> 0:31:02.320
<v Speaker 1>ail off. And one of the things about pheromones that

0:31:02.360 --> 0:31:06.120
<v Speaker 1>we understand is that they're volatile organic compounds, which means

0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:09.520
<v Speaker 1>they dissipate fairly quickly because again they're volatile at room

0:31:09.520 --> 0:31:12.320
<v Speaker 1>temperature in the air. Um So as long as you

0:31:12.320 --> 0:31:14.160
<v Speaker 1>don't have a bunch of ants all pumping out this

0:31:14.240 --> 0:31:16.959
<v Speaker 1>warning pheromone at the same time, the volume is going

0:31:17.000 --> 0:31:19.880
<v Speaker 1>to start to dissipate and turn down, and eventually the

0:31:19.880 --> 0:31:24.920
<v Speaker 1>the emergency subsides, and so the ants respond to pheromones,

0:31:25.200 --> 0:31:27.720
<v Speaker 1>so their response to the pheromone is going to subside

0:31:27.720 --> 0:31:30.000
<v Speaker 1>as well, and everything will go back to normal because

0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:34.120
<v Speaker 1>the emergency is over right. So if you've ever uh

0:31:34.200 --> 0:31:36.280
<v Speaker 1>and this happens to me, I don't have an ant

0:31:36.320 --> 0:31:39.840
<v Speaker 1>problem here, but when we go to the lake sometimes, uh,

0:31:39.880 --> 0:31:41.640
<v Speaker 1>we have ant problems there because it's out in the

0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:44.360
<v Speaker 1>middle of the woods, of course. But I will, you know,

0:31:44.520 --> 0:31:46.400
<v Speaker 1>clean up really good, I think at the end of

0:31:46.440 --> 0:31:50.080
<v Speaker 1>the night, and if I leave a crumb of a

0:31:50.120 --> 0:31:54.640
<v Speaker 1>Twinkie out there, I'll come back the next morning just

0:31:54.800 --> 0:31:57.680
<v Speaker 1>infested with these long lines of ants. And I'm always like,

0:31:57.920 --> 0:32:00.600
<v Speaker 1>how do they know it's there? How do tell everyone

0:32:00.600 --> 0:32:03.360
<v Speaker 1>else it's there? And now I know it's pheromones. It's

0:32:03.400 --> 0:32:06.440
<v Speaker 1>the same thing as if the spider invades, some ant

0:32:06.880 --> 0:32:11.320
<v Speaker 1>sees this twinky crumb and amidst this pheromone, it's like, hey, everybody,

0:32:11.360 --> 0:32:15.000
<v Speaker 1>there's some twinkie over here. Uh, you know, come eat

0:32:15.520 --> 0:32:18.120
<v Speaker 1>and it eats a little bit and then amidst a pheromone.

0:32:18.560 --> 0:32:22.040
<v Speaker 1>And that what's kind of remarkable is the pheromones. Um.

0:32:22.080 --> 0:32:25.080
<v Speaker 1>It's not just a pheromone like they differ. They can

0:32:25.160 --> 0:32:27.880
<v Speaker 1>differ what the pheromone is in the intensity of it

0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:30.840
<v Speaker 1>to tell everyone, like what kind of food it is,

0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:33.080
<v Speaker 1>or how much food there is, and how many of

0:32:33.120 --> 0:32:35.240
<v Speaker 1>you should come and try to eat the crumb. Yeah,

0:32:35.280 --> 0:32:37.640
<v Speaker 1>there's no way that the ants at your lakehouse haven't

0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:40.320
<v Speaker 1>developed a special pheromone for twinkies if you're leaving them

0:32:40.320 --> 0:32:44.479
<v Speaker 1>out that much. No, so the and but just like

0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:49.040
<v Speaker 1>with the emergency, like the the um, those other descriptions

0:32:49.080 --> 0:32:51.480
<v Speaker 1>not just foods here, but this kind of food or

0:32:51.520 --> 0:32:54.840
<v Speaker 1>this much food that can be um that can be

0:32:54.920 --> 0:32:58.360
<v Speaker 1>described by like variations in the intensity. So if there's

0:32:58.400 --> 0:33:00.880
<v Speaker 1>a lot of food, you know, of the ants really

0:33:00.880 --> 0:33:03.560
<v Speaker 1>going to exclaim that there's a bunch of food with pheromones,

0:33:03.640 --> 0:33:05.880
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna attract more ants and they're going to exclaim,

0:33:06.120 --> 0:33:08.680
<v Speaker 1>and just like with that emergency alarm, the volume is

0:33:08.720 --> 0:33:10.680
<v Speaker 1>going to be turned up. And then because it's a

0:33:10.760 --> 0:33:14.680
<v Speaker 1>volatile organic compound, as the food depletes, the ants that

0:33:14.720 --> 0:33:17.560
<v Speaker 1>are coming along and grabbing the food are going to

0:33:17.640 --> 0:33:21.720
<v Speaker 1>leave a more and more muted exclamation, so that that

0:33:21.800 --> 0:33:24.560
<v Speaker 1>trail is going to eventually dissipate and no ants going

0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:27.560
<v Speaker 1>to follow it anymore because there's no food there anymore. Yeah,

0:33:27.600 --> 0:33:29.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it literally takes the place of the ant

0:33:29.680 --> 0:33:33.280
<v Speaker 1>yelling back, hey, there's a lot of food, and then

0:33:33.320 --> 0:33:36.040
<v Speaker 1>the last ant saying, hey, we pretty much ate everything.

0:33:36.080 --> 0:33:39.120
<v Speaker 1>It's parties over. Yeah. Like they can't do that, So

0:33:39.160 --> 0:33:42.800
<v Speaker 1>they use the pheromones, right, and they think that pheromones Again,

0:33:42.840 --> 0:33:45.600
<v Speaker 1>it's really tough to to overstate the importance of them

0:33:45.720 --> 0:33:48.520
<v Speaker 1>for for every kind of ant behavior. And there's a

0:33:48.680 --> 0:33:53.400
<v Speaker 1>there's a m I'm not quite sure what what field

0:33:53.480 --> 0:33:56.560
<v Speaker 1>that belongs to, but there's a concept called stigmer g

0:33:57.280 --> 0:34:02.360
<v Speaker 1>which basically says that UM it describes a behavior or

0:34:02.400 --> 0:34:05.360
<v Speaker 1>a trait or an action that's carried out based on

0:34:05.440 --> 0:34:08.360
<v Speaker 1>some sort of signal that's left there. And so ants

0:34:08.440 --> 0:34:12.240
<v Speaker 1>really respond to things like um if a litter made

0:34:12.560 --> 0:34:15.880
<v Speaker 1>or a nest made is doing something, another ant is

0:34:16.000 --> 0:34:18.359
<v Speaker 1>much more likely to do that same thing, and they

0:34:18.400 --> 0:34:20.799
<v Speaker 1>think it's because the a signal is left. Every time

0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:23.040
<v Speaker 1>and AUNT does something, it leaves a signal. Whether it's

0:34:23.040 --> 0:34:25.080
<v Speaker 1>not doing it on purpose, it's not thinking about this,

0:34:25.440 --> 0:34:29.200
<v Speaker 1>it's just part of this set of codes that ants follow,

0:34:29.600 --> 0:34:31.919
<v Speaker 1>which if you run into this if if you are

0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:34.359
<v Speaker 1>on a ball and there's water and you run into

0:34:34.400 --> 0:34:37.680
<v Speaker 1>the edge of that ball, you form raft Like it's

0:34:37.760 --> 0:34:40.840
<v Speaker 1>just this kind of binary set of very simple codes

0:34:41.239 --> 0:34:44.600
<v Speaker 1>that ants seem to follow. And what code or what

0:34:44.760 --> 0:34:48.360
<v Speaker 1>set of codes is triggered um depends on what pheromone

0:34:48.440 --> 0:34:50.879
<v Speaker 1>the ant is either laying down for the next ant

0:34:51.040 --> 0:34:53.759
<v Speaker 1>or is picking up from the last hand. Yeah, I

0:34:53.840 --> 0:34:59.040
<v Speaker 1>love lamp exactly. Uh. They also can communicate via touch.

0:34:59.080 --> 0:35:02.319
<v Speaker 1>If you've ever uh gone to your kitchen counter like

0:35:02.400 --> 0:35:05.680
<v Speaker 1>I have, and you've seen ants walking in a trail,

0:35:05.800 --> 0:35:09.360
<v Speaker 1>you've probably seen a little two way street happening where

0:35:09.640 --> 0:35:11.320
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of ants are going in one direction and

0:35:11.360 --> 0:35:13.040
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of ants right next to him are going

0:35:13.040 --> 0:35:15.879
<v Speaker 1>in the other direction. And if you look really really close,

0:35:15.880 --> 0:35:18.239
<v Speaker 1>if you have like a magnifying glass, maybe you might

0:35:18.280 --> 0:35:21.359
<v Speaker 1>notice the sunshine. Oh no, no, no, don't ever do that.

0:35:22.239 --> 0:35:25.520
<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, just get down there with your eyeballs. Then, um,

0:35:25.800 --> 0:35:28.520
<v Speaker 1>they might be touching each other. That might be there

0:35:28.600 --> 0:35:31.359
<v Speaker 1>and intenta might be touching. They may be stroking each

0:35:31.400 --> 0:35:35.759
<v Speaker 1>other's exoskeleton, and they Scientists basically think that these are

0:35:35.840 --> 0:35:41.520
<v Speaker 1>also um communicative signals to one another again saying hey,

0:35:41.719 --> 0:35:45.080
<v Speaker 1>there's some great twinkie over there. Sometimes someone might even

0:35:45.120 --> 0:35:46.840
<v Speaker 1>have a little bit of a twinkie he'll give to

0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:50.360
<v Speaker 1>someone midway through the line and say, hey, hey, buddy,

0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:53.200
<v Speaker 1>this is what's waiting down there. Pass it down, and

0:35:53.440 --> 0:35:56.319
<v Speaker 1>that game of telephone happens again. Yeah, mouth to mouth

0:35:56.400 --> 0:35:59.960
<v Speaker 1>food transfer it, which is nice, but I guess it's

0:36:00.000 --> 0:36:02.399
<v Speaker 1>better than mouth ainus food transfer, like you were talking

0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:05.799
<v Speaker 1>about earlier. Depends what you're into. I saw another explanation

0:36:05.880 --> 0:36:08.120
<v Speaker 1>for why aunts do that, because if you look closely,

0:36:08.880 --> 0:36:11.279
<v Speaker 1>pretty much every ant does that to every ant that

0:36:11.320 --> 0:36:13.960
<v Speaker 1>they come across, going in the opposite direction. And I

0:36:14.040 --> 0:36:17.640
<v Speaker 1>find one theory right now. One theory is that they're

0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:20.480
<v Speaker 1>examining the ant to make sure it's one of their

0:36:20.520 --> 0:36:23.960
<v Speaker 1>nest mates and not an intruder from another joining in

0:36:24.040 --> 0:36:25.919
<v Speaker 1>the fun, which makes a lot of sense as well.

0:36:26.520 --> 0:36:28.480
<v Speaker 1>Every time I see ants doing that, I just go

0:36:28.560 --> 0:36:31.720
<v Speaker 1>in my head, good game, good game, good game game.

0:36:31.920 --> 0:36:36.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, that's one of my favorite parts of Days

0:36:36.120 --> 0:36:39.719
<v Speaker 1>and Confused is just like the nostalgia. They're like any

0:36:39.760 --> 0:36:43.120
<v Speaker 1>kid who's ever played Little knows that completely forced an

0:36:43.239 --> 0:36:47.520
<v Speaker 1>enthusiastic good game line that you gotta walk down good stuff.

0:36:49.160 --> 0:36:53.120
<v Speaker 1>What else do we have here? Oh boy, chok? We

0:36:53.120 --> 0:36:57.440
<v Speaker 1>should we should um branch off into another standalone podcast

0:36:57.480 --> 0:37:02.359
<v Speaker 1>called aunt rant. Uh all right, let's talk a little

0:37:02.400 --> 0:37:04.080
<v Speaker 1>bit more about nesting, and I think that's kind of

0:37:04.120 --> 0:37:06.759
<v Speaker 1>all we've got. Um if you look and how they

0:37:06.800 --> 0:37:08.480
<v Speaker 1>build their nest, you know, a lot of researchers have

0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:12.080
<v Speaker 1>been looking at this. Uh. Speaking of which, this made

0:37:12.080 --> 0:37:14.320
<v Speaker 1>me want to buy an aunt farm for my daughter

0:37:14.320 --> 0:37:18.120
<v Speaker 1>for Christmas. But when I looked into him, I read

0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:20.480
<v Speaker 1>reviews where it seems like about a third of the

0:37:20.520 --> 0:37:23.000
<v Speaker 1>review said the ants just sat around and waited to

0:37:23.080 --> 0:37:26.160
<v Speaker 1>die in front of my daughter or my son, and

0:37:26.200 --> 0:37:30.320
<v Speaker 1>it was traumatic. I don't really agree with keeping anything enclosed,

0:37:30.840 --> 0:37:32.680
<v Speaker 1>I know, I just the whole thing felt wrong, and

0:37:32.680 --> 0:37:37.040
<v Speaker 1>so I didn't get it. Good for you, Jack, I mean,

0:37:37.320 --> 0:37:39.120
<v Speaker 1>it was a little selfish and that I didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>a bad experience to happen. But then I thought, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you're also getting ants shipped through the mail. I know

0:37:47.239 --> 0:37:49.280
<v Speaker 1>there shipped at a certain temperatures so they stay alive.

0:37:49.360 --> 0:37:52.000
<v Speaker 1>And you know, also saw success stories were like, oh man,

0:37:52.000 --> 0:37:53.879
<v Speaker 1>they did great and they lived their whole lifespan. But

0:37:54.200 --> 0:37:58.880
<v Speaker 1>it just wasn't worth it at the risk. So anyone

0:37:58.880 --> 0:38:00.799
<v Speaker 1>should do is order some of his answer the mail

0:38:00.800 --> 0:38:05.839
<v Speaker 1>and just release them into your or just release them

0:38:05.840 --> 0:38:09.600
<v Speaker 1>onto my daughter while she's asleep and immobile and see

0:38:09.600 --> 0:38:14.240
<v Speaker 1>what happens. But researchers obviously have been studying ant nests

0:38:14.280 --> 0:38:18.160
<v Speaker 1>and colonies for a long long time, and uh, you

0:38:18.200 --> 0:38:21.440
<v Speaker 1>know all those tunnels that look like little sponges, mentioned

0:38:21.440 --> 0:38:23.360
<v Speaker 1>the one on YouTube where they actually filled it with concrete,

0:38:23.360 --> 0:38:26.840
<v Speaker 1>which is pretty amazing. But they decided to take this

0:38:26.880 --> 0:38:29.799
<v Speaker 1>stuff and put it into like a computer model to

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<v Speaker 1>see what what happened when it came out the other side.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the things they learned was they have

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<v Speaker 1>these very basic rules that kind of governed everything they did,

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<v Speaker 1>one of which was each ant would pick up at

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<v Speaker 1>a very very steady rate two grains of dirt or

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<v Speaker 1>sand per minute and carry it. Which that seems like

0:38:49.040 --> 0:38:51.200
<v Speaker 1>a clue right there. If they're following some sort of

0:38:51.239 --> 0:38:55.920
<v Speaker 1>time scale, especially if it corresponds to our understanding of time,

0:38:55.960 --> 0:38:59.239
<v Speaker 1>that seems significant. You know, Yeah, I mean, I guess

0:38:59.280 --> 0:39:01.560
<v Speaker 1>they would do that because that's the most efficient rate

0:39:01.560 --> 0:39:06.000
<v Speaker 1>of work, like the most efficient speed of work I guess,

0:39:06.040 --> 0:39:09.279
<v Speaker 1>like without getting overly tired or not getting enough done,

0:39:09.320 --> 0:39:11.320
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. I think that's another example

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<v Speaker 1>though that we like we watch ants do things and

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<v Speaker 1>we don't understand exactly why, we just know it works

0:39:17.440 --> 0:39:21.240
<v Speaker 1>really well. Yeah, uh, what else did they see? Um?

0:39:21.280 --> 0:39:23.759
<v Speaker 1>They also saw that, um, there was a preference for

0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:28.320
<v Speaker 1>dropping that grain that they were tunneling out excavating by

0:39:28.360 --> 0:39:33.120
<v Speaker 1>another more another recently dropped piece of grain, which I

0:39:33.120 --> 0:39:36.839
<v Speaker 1>think is an example of that stigma g where they

0:39:36.520 --> 0:39:39.879
<v Speaker 1>there was like some yeah, they just saw like they're

0:39:39.920 --> 0:39:44.839
<v Speaker 1>just their behaviors triggered by by somebody else's behavior. Right,

0:39:45.280 --> 0:39:47.040
<v Speaker 1>And then the last thing they saw they saw these

0:39:47.040 --> 0:39:50.360
<v Speaker 1>three basic rules, was they would drop them closer to

0:39:50.360 --> 0:39:53.719
<v Speaker 1>the grains that were already dropped by another ant. And

0:39:53.760 --> 0:39:55.959
<v Speaker 1>they think that it's like a pheromone marker, Like hey,

0:39:56.000 --> 0:39:58.600
<v Speaker 1>I dropped this grain here, like this is where we're

0:39:58.600 --> 0:40:03.959
<v Speaker 1>building this thing, right, And so they created this. They

0:40:04.000 --> 0:40:07.680
<v Speaker 1>they followed these ants movements like they really studied and

0:40:07.719 --> 0:40:10.160
<v Speaker 1>tracked real ants, and then they created a computer model

0:40:10.200 --> 0:40:15.320
<v Speaker 1>that simulated ants just following these three rules. And apparently

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<v Speaker 1>the model created something that looked a heck of a

0:40:17.960 --> 0:40:21.439
<v Speaker 1>lot like an ant nest that you would see in

0:40:21.440 --> 0:40:24.480
<v Speaker 1>in nature, so much so that there were connections that

0:40:24.520 --> 0:40:28.120
<v Speaker 1>were developed between chambers. And these researchers were like, we

0:40:28.280 --> 0:40:31.880
<v Speaker 1>didn't tell it to create connections that just happened on

0:40:31.920 --> 0:40:34.960
<v Speaker 1>its own. It's a great example of that emergent behavior

0:40:35.440 --> 0:40:38.960
<v Speaker 1>um that that comes from the collective actions of a

0:40:38.960 --> 0:40:42.879
<v Speaker 1>bunch of individuals is doing their own thing. Yeah. I mean,

0:40:42.920 --> 0:40:44.520
<v Speaker 1>and they have these you know, if you look at

0:40:44.560 --> 0:40:47.839
<v Speaker 1>this concrete when they excavated it was they have these

0:40:47.880 --> 0:40:50.000
<v Speaker 1>big chambers. They have these tubes and then these big

0:40:50.440 --> 0:40:54.040
<v Speaker 1>rooms basically, and each of these rooms as a function. Uh,

0:40:54.080 --> 0:40:56.319
<v Speaker 1>they're not just like let's just make a little space here.

0:40:56.680 --> 0:40:58.160
<v Speaker 1>You know. They take care of their dad a lot

0:40:58.160 --> 0:41:01.600
<v Speaker 1>of times, and uh, you know, I don't think they

0:41:01.680 --> 0:41:05.160
<v Speaker 1>quite bury them, but they tend to they're dead. Uh,

0:41:05.280 --> 0:41:08.440
<v Speaker 1>it's it's remarkable. Yeah, they have aunt cemeteries that they

0:41:08.520 --> 0:41:12.480
<v Speaker 1>dump bodies on. It's pretty cool, very cool. So there

0:41:12.560 --> 0:41:15.760
<v Speaker 1>was one last thing I saw. Um there's a type

0:41:15.760 --> 0:41:19.400
<v Speaker 1>of ant that basically engages in nursing where if you

0:41:19.640 --> 0:41:22.440
<v Speaker 1>these ants raid termite mounds and the termites sometimes will

0:41:22.480 --> 0:41:25.080
<v Speaker 1>take a leg or two, and if you're just missing

0:41:25.120 --> 0:41:28.000
<v Speaker 1>a leg or two, you will be carried back by

0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:32.200
<v Speaker 1>basically paramedic ants to the nest and then nursed back

0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:37.520
<v Speaker 1>to health with an antibiotic that the ants produced themselves. Wow,

0:41:38.320 --> 0:41:43.759
<v Speaker 1>aunt Rant, chuck, aunt Rant, You got anything else? I

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<v Speaker 1>got nothing else? We think Joey, Joey from Tucson. Thanks Joey.

0:41:47.640 --> 0:41:50.520
<v Speaker 1>Great idea, great idea for ants. We had no idea

0:41:50.520 --> 0:41:52.600
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0:41:52.840 --> 0:41:56.799
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0:42:03.000 --> 0:42:06.319
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