WEBVTT - Finding Harmony with Trousdale 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:04.720 Scrubbing In with Becca Tilly and Tanya rap An iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:11.200 Hello everybody, we are scrubbing in. 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:16.520 TIS we are Tis his Tis Actually today is true 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:17.600 is True, Truth's. 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:22.520 Truth, trus Truth's because we have a very I guess 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:27.360 I should say we have very special guests slurle coming 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:33.600 in today. Easton really introduced us to the band that 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:35.680 is Trusdale. That is correct. 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:40.000 They're my favorite band right now. Over the last year, Okay, 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:42.760 I listened to their album every single day, more than 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:47.280 more than twenty two I'm sorry, more than Beach Boys, 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:52.400 more than the Beach Boys, who I love Truesdale so much. 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:56.400 I found them by searching Beach Boys covers on YouTube 0:00:57.200 --> 0:00:59.320 and I found them doing a cover of Wouldn't It 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:01.240 Be Nice, which is a very hard song to sing, 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:03.800 great song, and I was like, oh my god, who 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:06.639 are these women. Their voices are better than the Wilson brothers. 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:10.440 I have not heard voices like theirs in forever. I've 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:12.399 never heard voices that good. So I went back and 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:14.319 found their older stuff and I was like, Oh my god, 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:15.520 they're so good. 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:17.920 And You're like, we have to have them on the podcast. 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:20.000 And I went and saw them live and they talk 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:23.559 about how they produced their own music and they write 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:25.760 their own songs and they do all this incredible stuff 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:28.399 trying to be role models for women in the music industry. 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:28.920 Women. 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:31.520 I was like, Oh, we gotta get them on scrubbing in, 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:34.399 get them in the ore and there. 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:36.640 That is where they belong. Yes, and that is where 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:37.480 they have come, and. 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:41.240 That is where they have come. The Trusdale band themselves, 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:44.199 It's Quinn, Georgia and Lauren and they're scrubbing in today. 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:54.200 So everyone welcome Truesday. Can I just address you as Truesdale? Absolutely? Yes, 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:56.720 We're so happy to have y'all. It's been a long 0:01:56.760 --> 0:02:00.440 time coming. Easton introduced us to your music. He is 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:05.559 like such a glorious big fan. I listened to Out. 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:08.239 Of my Mind your album every day on the way 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:11.239 to work and the way from home from is not 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:13.480 an exaggeration. It is a masterpiece. 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:18.120 So when you introduced me, I obviously have started listening. 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:21.560 And I, first of all, would you say that Out 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:26.119 of my Mind is a breakup album? Oh? Not no, 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:27.239 not intentionally. 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:29.440 I feel like we had we collected a bunch of 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:32.320 songs and a lot of them happened to be like breakup. 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:38.160 I guess yea as two different breakups in my why not? 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:38.880 Why not? 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:39.600 Why not? 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:40.080 Just yes? 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:43.760 I think because it is just my experience the breakup, 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:45.480 so I wouldn't say that. 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:49.320 Yeah, oh yeah, I feel like we also end up 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:51.440 happened like writing a lot of songs that sound like 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:55.840 breakup songs, but like the person in question that you're 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:57.720 being broken up with. I think we play a lot 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:02.919 with it being like non human things like depression, anxiety, 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:06.239 like just dealing with stress in your life, or even 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:09.359 like a relationship with a parent or a friend. I 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:11.399 think that there's so many different ways that you can 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:15.480 feel grief in a relationship than a breakup. And I 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:18.200 think that's kind of like where we all have our 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:21.320 own meanings that we attached to the songs. I think 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:23.960 let's talk about those meanings. 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:27.640 It's to them a little more. So you all went 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:30.680 to school together, right? But did are y'all all from 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:31.600 southern California? 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:32.480 No? 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:33.480 I grew up in Michigan. 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:37.320 Okay, Okay, I was born in upstate New York, but 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:38.480 mostly from here. 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:42.119 Okay, So y'all met at school though, Yeah, So as 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:45.840 a musician, I know nothing about that couldn't be further 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:50.760 from my life. You go into school wanting to be 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:54.600 a singer, right, do you ever have this dream of 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:57.360 it being with other people or do you go thinking 0:03:57.400 --> 0:03:59.840 I'm gonna be a solo artist. That's what I thought. 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:03.320 Yeah, I definitely never imagined myself in a band with 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:04.240 like multiple singers. 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:04.840 Yeah at all. 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:07.240 Same, Yeah, I didn't even know what I wanted to 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:09.000 be going there. It was more kind of for me 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:12.240 it was like, oh, I I'll try this, and then 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:16.719 going there was like the Yeah, I realized that I 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:18.480 wanted to do that then and then we all met 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:19.840 and then the rest is history. 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:23.239 Yeah, I think I always like, I've always enjoyed playing 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:26.440 with other people, but yeah, I definitely didn't see myself 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:29.880 like being in a band with two other singers. But then, honestly, 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:32.240 it's funny looking back, I like really grew up listening 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:34.680 to a lot of like Peter Paul, Mary from my. 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:35.440 Mom and dad. 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:38.120 Yeah, and I was like, oh, that makes sense, Like 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:40.400 maybe the idea was like planted in me very young. 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:43.480 Yeah. Georgia and I both grew up doing like musical 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:46.960 theater and acappella. Yeah, so I feel like harmony was 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:48.800 in our lives a lot too. 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:50.640 Yeah, and already like a lot of collaboration. 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:52.359 Yeah, like team vibe. 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:54.320 That's the thing I feel like when you're in a group, 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:57.600 like when you're when you're solo, every decision is your own. 0:04:57.640 --> 0:05:00.320 When you're a group, every decision is a group. So 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:03.320 there's pros and cons. Definitely, how did I learn to 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:06.679 like work together and like who gets the final say? 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:10.200 I think we learned by failing a lot about that, 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:14.360 you know, like learned from our mistakes with it, and 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:16.919 we really try to have I mean it depends on 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:19.160 how important the decision is. Sometimes it is like it 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:21.799 needs to be a unanimous decision if it's really big, 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:25.880 and then other times it depends on who feels really 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:29.240 strongly about what we're talking about. And I think, yeah, 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:32.960 we it's I don't know, like case by case basis 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:34.080 of how we make decisions. 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:36.080 I think it's definitely. 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:41.800 It's definitely like I had something in my head and 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:42.880 then I just completely forgot. 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:45.400 It's like a team effort. I mean, like you're joining 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:48.920 a team and it's like everyone's opinion is important and 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:51.720 we have to at least come to some agreement on 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:55.839 this because when I listened to the album, bad Blood 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:59.200 is like the obvious start of the app Like, I'm like, 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:01.640 did they write this ago? This has to start the 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:04.599 album because as soon as this is it, here we go, 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:05.599 We're going on a ride. 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:08.080 Yeah. 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:12.680 It feels like such an opener. It like it did 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:13.760 yeah pretty early on. 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:15.800 It's so funny too, because I think that was like 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:17.359 one of the first songs that we wrote for the 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:21.640 album yea, And it just so happened that, like on 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:23.599 the writing trip where we wrote most of these songs, 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:25.360 that was the first one, and then we had done 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:29.520 like the NPR live sessions on YouTube, and then it 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:31.840 came out and I think that just naturally kind of 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:34.240 like wanted to be yeah, the first song. 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:36.120 But I feel like we skipped a whole step because 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:37.640 it was like, Okay, you guys went to school together 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:40.159 and then we're talking about the album, but like, how 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:43.000 did you guys form your formed three of you? 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:45.800 Like, how did that process go? Yeah? 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:50.400 Well, we all did, I think after college, so we met, 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:53.440 we started singing together. Laura and I had a songwriting class. 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:56.600 We just quickly started to write together. We had like 0:06:56.640 --> 0:07:01.080 a writing connection. We wrote this song and then we 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:04.000 they met in their dorm and then we were all 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:06.880 on the same program also, so we immediately I remember 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:08.520 the first time I heard both of them like do 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:14.640 their thing, and I was like, oh, so blowing away. 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:17.000 So we all have just so much respect for each 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:21.800 other as people, as performers and writers arrangers. And then 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:23.920 we had the song called Dory Meat, which is out. 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:26.920 It's the first song that we ever wrote together, and 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:29.840 Quinn came and we sang it together just like tapping 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:33.440 our legs for our songwriting class in school. And then 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:38.440 just the reaction of the class was like way, it 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:40.320 was just really surprising to us all. It was like 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:40.840 a really. 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:41.880 Really loving, positive reaction. 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:44.040 And then we're like, Okay, I guess there's something here. 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:47.840 And then we kept writing and singing together throughout college. 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:50.400 We had a lot of support from our professors, which 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:54.240 I think also kept us going. And then after school 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:57.400 we all did different things for a bit. We all 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:01.200 like I did a solo priet for a while, Quinn 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:05.200 worked on a cruise ship, Lauren worked on her solo project, 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:08.800 and then we came together we started writing together again, 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:13.000 and then it just it naturally. Then COVID happened and 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:16.320 we started to record and Lauren got really into production, 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:19.280 and that's kind of how we entered into like officially 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:24.520 doing Truesdale. And then after that did well, we all 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:26.120 kind of committed to doing it full time. 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:28.600 Yeah, you know, and where did the name? That was 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:29.160 my question? 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:32.960 Oh yeah, so it comes from the name of a 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:38.160 street that runs through campus of our university, yone Parkway. 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:41.360 We were sitting on the lawn trying to think of names. 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:43.840 We were very concerned about it being a name that 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:46.040 like no one else had, so we would just think 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:48.400 of a name and then type it into a Spotify. 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:50.440 Now we can't use that one. Type it in if 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:52.080 we can't use that one. And then we looked up 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:54.240 and saw the sign like what about Truesdale. 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:57.040 Which is funny because there are the Truesdale estates which 0:08:57.040 --> 0:08:59.400 are like well known as like rich. 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:02.079 Buildings and states. 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:05.640 I don't know, and so I think that one slipped 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:07.560 through the crash. 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:10.480 Were finally committed a few times, but it just like, 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:12.880 I don't know, nothing else ever felt right. 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:15.920 Yeah. Our second choice was the Sorrow Sisters, the. 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:24.640 Sisters, and then we had Carolina Blue Carolina, which is 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:28.000 like both of those are alter egos at this point exactly. 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:31.319 So what we're so the ones that you looked up, 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:33.800 the ones that you looked up on Spotify, what were 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:35.679 some of those that you were like, Oh, it's already taken. 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:36.840 Oh my gosh, my. 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:39.960 Gosh, wow, I'm sure I could we have a nook. 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:42.400 I have no idea. 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:43.400 Though, that'd be really funny. 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:46.960 Yeah, the Destiny's Chops. 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:49.160 Yeah. 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:51.600 What does Truesdale mean to you? 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:53.400 Guys? Like the name? 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:54.520 Yeah? 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:56.320 Well, I feel like the. 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:58.960 Feeling of it, at least to me, and part of 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:01.080 why we've stuck with it is because it kind of 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:03.600 feels genrealless, like when you see the name where when 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:06.040 you hear it, it's like Truesdale. It could be full, 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:10.280 it could be rock. Yeah, it feels pretty broad and 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:13.400 it's like a statement. There's no the We also thought 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:14.280 about that just. 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:17.280 A word, yeah, and to not like associate it with 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:22.200 like where three women or a trio or sisters in 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:24.360 some way of like we're just a band. 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:24.920 Yeah. 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:27.640 I think that that also is important. I feel like 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:31.800 none of us like loved the name, but then we 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:35.160 were like, oh, but like think about the Beatles, they're 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:37.640 like bugs and you don't but you don't associate it 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:39.720 with that at all. These associated with the music, so 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:43.520 like eventually the name won't sound like anything but what 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:45.320 people think of with their music. 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:46.680 Yeah, that's what it was. 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:48.440 Your question was so interesting because I was like, whoa, 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:50.719 I've never even really thought of that before. 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:52.480 But you know, I go subterranean. 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:57.640 Yeah, I feel like, you know, even though the name 0:10:57.679 --> 0:11:01.280 comes from USC, I feel like it really when I 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:04.400 hear the word Trusdale now, I just think of everything 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:07.120 that we've built and like everything it means to us 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:10.600 now way more than our where we went to school. 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:10.920 Yeah. 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:13.160 I think we've really just grown to like make it 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:17.960 our own, right, total, Yeah, your own meaning. Yeah, I 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:20.160 mean that's You're so right. When I hear the Beatles, 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:22.720 I don't. I was like, oh that is a bug. Yeah, yeah, 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:24.920 you just don't. We're like the police. Yeah. 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:27.440 Yeah, that's a bit of an odd one, but yeah 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:28.200 it rocks. 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:33.600 Yeah. You know, so you all have designated colors. How 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:35.800 did that was that? Did it? Was it like you 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:37.520 just kept showing up in the same color and were like, 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:39.599 should this be our thing? Or what was that intentional? 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:40.600 Yeah? 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:44.120 I feel like we I like never wore green before this. 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:47.599 And Georgia. I feel like you didn't really wear paying No, 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:50.520 don't you wear too much. 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:56.520 But we decided we started getting more colorful before we 0:11:56.559 --> 0:12:00.320 started releasing music, and one of our friends reckoned that 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:02.200 we go to this place called Big Bud Press that 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:06.160 has these incredible jumpsuits, and so we started trying on 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:09.959 different colors and combinations and we just landed on these, 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:14.280 and then people started associating us, like with the colors. 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:16.360 I feel like after that of like the pink one, yeah, 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:19.280 the blue one. So then which kind of stuck with it? Yeah, 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:21.360 accepted our fate so fun. 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:24.160 You're like, have you heard of the color analysis? 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:24.720 Yeah? 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:28.240 You're like, I hope this is my color. Really I 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:30.560 don't think so. I feel like it is. 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:33.400 Analysis. 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:37.319 It's like where they's they you know, like your tone, Yeah, 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:39.920 are you a winter yeah? 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:44.000 Summer? Yeah. But I was thinking, I mean, you'll all 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:46.280 your color compliments you So it was like, did y'all 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:47.640 do a full test? And like. 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:51.520 We should have when we tried the jumpsuits on. Part 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:52.920 of the reason that we picked them was because we 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:54.640 looked at that we tried so many on we had 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:57.040 maroon like whatever. Yeah, and then when we looked in 0:12:57.120 --> 0:12:59.760 the mirrors, in the mirrors, in the singular mirror, it 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:03.120 was a really cool mirror. We stood and we're like 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:04.199 something about them. 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:05.199 Just it worked. 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:08.960 Probably because it's the same colors as the power puff probably, yeah, 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:10.880 but we didn't think about afterthought. 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:15.600 In the moment. Again, Yeah, in hindsty, it's all yeah, 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:19.000 I like it. I do want to do It's nostalgic. 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:21.600 I do feel like you are in an industry that 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:26.840 is naturally harder for women. Have you all experienced that 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:29.920 being a band, a trio of women and you do, 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:33.040 you produce, you write, you do everything for your music. 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:35.760 Have you found that to be a challenge? Definitely? 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:38.600 I think I think we experience it all the time, 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:41.600 and we talk about it, like on stage and between 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:44.240 the three of us. I think, I think there's so 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:46.240 many levels of it, and I don't think we have 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:48.480 the worst of it at all. But I think, as 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:51.840 like women that are producing ourselves, I think we run 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:53.719 in I mean in small ways of just like the 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:56.439 assumption that we didn't produce our music, and like when 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:59.840 people are like who produced it for you? And uh, 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:03.000 when we go on tour, like walking into venues, I 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:05.160 feel like the people that are running the venues, like 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:07.640 their first assumption is we don't know what we're doing. 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:12.800 But I love that. I get super stoked when that happens. 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:13.240 I do. 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:16.840 I think we're good, so they're always regretting it later. 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:19.880 Yeah, we kind of like prove it to the people 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:22.720 have to reperform. Yeah, but yeah, it's a weird industry, 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:26.320 like to I think for anyone, it's just a confusing 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:31.840 and not very explanatory industry. You can't go into it 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:34.000 and like know what's going to happen no matter what. 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:38.800 But also being a woman does put you at like 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:42.160 a little bit of a disadvantage in terms of feeling 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:44.920 like you have to prove more to people, especially because 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:47.920 it's so heavily male, I think especially in the production 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:52.440 part and in certain songwriting sessions. You know, sometimes we're 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:56.200 lucky because we have three people so we're supporting each other. 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:59.280 But if I was alone, I'm sure there'd be certain 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:02.560 situations that we been in where I would be so uncomfortable. 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:03.720 That's so true. 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:06.320 I've never I've never thought of that before, Like that's 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:09.280 it really is. Having there be three of us, we're 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:13.480 usually outnumbering whoever we're working and so even just that 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:15.720 fact alone, I think it makes us a little bit 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:19.680 more intimidating, which I honestly like I feel for sometimes 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:21.680 when we're working with someone for the first time, I'm like, 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:24.240 we're a lot of energy, like all in one room 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:27.840 together at the same time. But yeah, it can it 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:31.560 can be tough to to feel heard in a way 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:36.160 that is genuine and not like you're trying to control 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:39.720 the situation, like being a leader in for a woman 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:40.960 in any scenario. 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:42.760 And it's the same with music. 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:51.840 You are at risk of being called, oh like controlling, 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:57.000 and so I think that's that's definitely something. It's just 0:15:57.160 --> 0:15:59.120 it's just hard to advocate for yourself and what you 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:02.120 want because a lot of time times you know you. 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:05.080 Don't want to keep their stereotype. Yeah, well, be grateful 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:07.880 for what you have, like. 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:11.240 And and even like oh no, I want to even 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:14.360 like with members of your team sometimes of like oh no, 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:16.320 I want to produce this song. I think this could 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:19.280 have a good vision, and then they could potentially come 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:22.520 back and say, oh, well, like you should be flexible 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:24.680 and like maybe try to work with some other producers 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:26.800 and like, have you checked out this list of people 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:28.400 that I think you could be cool to work with 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:32.360 and like some it's a it's a tough balance because 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:35.520 it's all it's all yes, and you know, like working 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:36.680 with other people is great. 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:38.160 You learn so many new things. 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:42.160 You can grow yourself as a producer, as a collaborator 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:46.080 doing those opportunities. But there really is something to be 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:49.160 said for like taking the time and just learning how 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:52.080 to do it yourself. And I think women, especially in 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:56.400 product music production, women are not given that time or 0:16:56.560 --> 0:17:00.440 are not encouraged to go explore what that's like, what 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:04.280 their sound is like, because they're so often put in 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:06.919 a room with someone that's just more experienced or like 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:10.879 can do it faster. Yeah, And then even when you 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:13.520 do co produce, like we're running into this even now 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:15.719 with some new music that we've been working on of 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:19.080 like we're so like we do so much for our 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:21.679 project and we're spread so thin, and we're trying to 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:24.679 find more ways to like be have like a healthy 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:28.000 environment and like really be able to tackle all the work. 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:28.439 That we need to. 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:31.639 And so we're working with a co producer on this 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:35.600 next batch of songs, and there's you're always running the 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:38.679 risk of, like someone saying, even though we're listed as 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:41.119 a producer, like, oh, well, they're just the artist. 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:43.600 They just got a production credit because like they're. 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:45.439 The arta, like they wanted the credit, so they just 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:47.280 like changed a word or something. 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:49.480 Totally, yeah, totally. 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:07.720 It is interesting. Like when I think about this industry 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:13.320 in particular, it is like very it's like men helping men. 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:14.800 It's like it's like in their nature. 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:15.399 Do you know what I mean? 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:17.200 It's like, yes, that's just how. 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:20.320 It is, and like men also are not like I 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:22.919 feel like sometimes as women, we do tend to be 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:25.600 feel like we can't speak or share as much as 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:27.800 we want, and other men like just ask for what 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:29.840 they want and demand it, and it's like it's so 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:31.040 hard for us to do it. 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:31.960 It's so interesting. 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:36.480 I have truly noticed that when I am saying an idea, 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:40.199 specifically in the production area of our job, I have 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:43.560 tried to say it with a lower tone so that 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:46.600 it's listened to more like when we're working with men, 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:51.920 because something about being like oh my god, this people's 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:52.159 not a. 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:57.040 Scientific evidence to back that up that people respond more 0:18:57.119 --> 0:18:58.240 to like a lower voice. 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:00.879 Well, I can't think of her name right now, but 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:02.240 she dressed like Steve Jobs and. 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:07.800 No, no, not most Elizabeth the Holmes homes. 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:11.080 Homes Liz Holmes, and she was trying to come up 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:11.800 that's what she. 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:16.240 Friend. 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:21.439 She changed her voice and went like a way deeper tone, 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:23.639 and they did like a whole documentary on it, and 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:27.000 they were like, because she she knew she'd be respected 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:31.320 more like if she sounded for whatever reason, yes, it 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:34.680 sounded better to men if she's hot in a lower tone. 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:35.400 It's crazy. 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:39.919