1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to How the Money. I'm Joel and I am Matt, 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: and today we're discussing how you can use it up, 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: wear it out, make it do or do without with 4 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: Katie Woke Stanley. That's right, yeah, So everybody has heard 5 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: of a consumer advocate before, right, Like that's someone who 6 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: helps to make sure that individuals are getting the best 7 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: deal possible, or maybe to make sure that the quality 8 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: of those products is up to snuff. I'm thinking of 9 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 1: consumer reports, the countless reporting and tests that they perform 10 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: on basically any item out there that you can buy. 11 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: But you likely haven't heard of a non consumer advocate before, 12 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: and that is who we're talking with today, our friend 13 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: Katie Woke Stanley. Katie is the non consumer advocate. Her 14 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: site is the Consumer Advocate dot com, and she helps 15 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: people to learn to live on less and to do 16 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: so in a way that lessens their environmental impact. She 17 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: is an uber frugal light who hardly ever buys anything new, 18 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: and she uses that superpower to help others to live 19 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: on as little income as possible. So we're gonna be 20 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: talking about all these different tactics today that anyone out 21 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: there can do. You know, whether you choose to. That's 22 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: up to you. But we are excited for our conversation today. Katie. 23 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us on the podcast. Thank you 24 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: so much, Joel and Matt for having me. All Right, Katie, 25 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: I'm really curious to hear your answer to the question 26 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: that we ask everybody when they come on the show, 27 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: because you are you approach buying things differently than pretty 28 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: much any guess we've had on before. So Matt and 29 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: I we splurge on craft beer and even while we're 30 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: saving the investing for the future, is there something you 31 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: splurge on in the here and now? I don't even 32 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: know well what I splurge on here and now. It 33 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: changes like through the years as I've gone through different 34 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: points in life. At the moment, what I love displourage 35 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: on is my adult kids. Although at twenty four and 36 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: twenty seven, they have gone into college, they've graduated, they 37 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: have flown the coop, they work full time. I know 38 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: that money is tight for them, and so I like 39 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: to be able to take them out to eat. I 40 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: like to slip them a little money here and there. 41 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: They don't ask for money and so they really appreciate it. 42 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: And it's it's a treat. My parents certainly, you know, 43 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: did a little bit of that when I was young 44 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: and just getting started in my adult life, and I'm 45 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 1: happy and privileged to be able to do it for them. Well, 46 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: love it. I guess that never goes away because there's 47 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: you know, Jill having three me having four kids. There's 48 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: obviously a certain amount of that that we do now 49 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: while still trying to find that balance of making sure 50 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: that they understand them money. It doesn't just grow on trees. 51 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,679 Speaker 1: But maybe after you teach them those lessons, maybe you 52 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: feel a little more freedom to slip them some bills 53 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: instead of chocolates. For Valentine's Day, I gave me each 54 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: one hundred bucks. I mean, that's come on, that's what 55 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: That's what we need. We don't need more sugar in 56 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: our diets, right calls out that inflammation or whatever it 57 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: is of anyway, Katie, your slogan, or like the Moniker 58 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: that your site is, goes by is use it up, 59 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: wear it out, make it do or do without. And 60 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 1: we'll kind of cover each of these, we'll cover the 61 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: spectrum of how these kind of play out in your life. 62 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: But can you first tell us why that has become 63 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 1: your motto. Where did you come across that? And why 64 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: is it? You know that resonates with you? It is 65 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: a term that I certainly did not make up myself. 66 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: You'll find it used during World War Two. That was 67 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: like an effort to get people to kind of be 68 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: more thoughtful with howard they were consuming goods that needed 69 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: to be used for the war effort. But apparently it 70 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: goes back farther than that. I've had different people say 71 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: it was like, oh, that's an old Yankee term, or 72 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: that's a New England term. So I don't I've never 73 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: really been able to find out, you know, where precisely 74 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: it came up. But whenever I've come across that, even 75 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: long before I was blogging, it just really resonated with me, 76 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: and I was like, that is great. It's so like concise, 77 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: and yet it's it's wide and meaningful. Yeah, it feels 78 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: so kind of like foreign to the way so many 79 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: people live life today though. So it is interesting that 80 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: we were talking before we started recording about how about 81 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: rabid fan bases, And I think the people who follow you, 82 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: they are kind of rabbid in that way, like because 83 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: and I think part of it is because this slogan 84 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 1: is so antithetical to kind of so much of the 85 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: way our modern society functions. Yes, especially when it's just 86 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: so easy to um, you don't have to go on 87 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 1: your computer to buy stuff. You know, you've got that 88 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: Amazon app and you just like, you know, swiped to buy. 89 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 1: It's so easy and frankly so cheap. But I mean, yeah, 90 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: this thing is how is this seven dollars? And it 91 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: includes shipping when you know the shipping costs more than 92 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: that if we were to ship it ourselves. People want 93 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: a different perspective, and I think that is why people, 94 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: as you said, a rabbit, I would just say more 95 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: loyal yeah to me at I don't know, I see 96 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 1: them foaming at the mouth all the time. Following I 97 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: am curious though, because yeah, you say, use it up, 98 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: wear it out, make it do or do without. And 99 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: so what makes your list of things that you will 100 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 1: purchase brand new or there are is there anything or 101 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: like or absolutely there are absolutely things that I do 102 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: buy new and I start and by the way, I 103 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: started the buy nothing new practice myself even before I 104 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: started blogging, So that was I think, like in two 105 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: thousand and six, two thousand and seven I am not 106 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: out there like looking for a used toothbrush, so I 107 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: would that's good to know. I would categorize that or 108 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: like a personal care item. Okay, something that is like 109 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: touching my body in that way. I don't mean like clothes, 110 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: but floss, tooth fresh undergarments. I think, you know, although 111 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: I have bought used songs before because you can just 112 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 1: wash them and sometimes they look amazing. Well, and your 113 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 1: feet are so peripheral, I mean you know, though, like 114 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: they're basically the closer you get to the core of 115 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: your body, I too would also want to like the 116 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: further it gets away from my face or my mouth, 117 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: I think I would be more comfortable with going a 118 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: little more used. We bought a brand new mattress at 119 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: this point, like two years ago. And although I have 120 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: gotten a used mattress before, and I got it from 121 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: somebody that I knew, that was just not something I 122 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: wanted to use. There's just two. Once you start thinking 123 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 1: of bed bugs, you can't stop thinking about, right, Well, 124 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: that might be one area where I've got you beat, Katie, 125 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 1: because we my wife and I slept Actually, no, shoot, 126 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: we still have this mattress. Our daughter is now sleeping 127 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: on it. But we got to use mattress for free 128 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: from a neighbor. But we knew them. They're neighbors of 129 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: a friend of ours, so they knew them, and so implicitly, 130 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: I guess we trusted them. But I'm telling you it's 131 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,679 Speaker 1: a good mattress. Yeah, and it's like anything we regretted. 132 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: Sometimes getting stuff up the side of the road can 133 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: be a little daunting. I had a friend who brought 134 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: home a chair that looked nice, but then it had bedbugs, 135 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: and that caused a whole mess. So you want to 136 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: avoid that, just burn the whole apartment down. I guess, right, 137 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: And that's the case. I do a lot of curbside 138 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: shopping and a tremendous amount of thrifting for things that 139 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: I want and need, And if it's even slightly something 140 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: that could have bedbugs, I examine it in the store, 141 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: and then I also leave it on my porch so 142 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: I can't give it a better examination. I've never had 143 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: get the headline something that I would call a cautionary 144 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: tale from that though, got it okay? Well, so we're 145 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: kind of talking about I don't know, just buying stuff new, Katie, Like, 146 00:07:58,200 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: do you have any thoughts on buying things that are 147 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: more well made, like things that are higher quality that 148 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: come with maybe better warranties. Is that important to you, 149 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: you know, when when you're at least occasionally buying something 150 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: that that hasn't previously been used. Yes, although mostly I 151 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: really don't buy that much stuff. And I understand what 152 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: you're getting at um to you buying like a higher 153 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: quality item from a responsible company exactly, warranty that will 154 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: stand behind their product is always like the ideal. My 155 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: goal is to then just get it used when the 156 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: person who initially bought it gets bored with it. I 157 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 1: like that well. And one of the things that you've 158 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: you've written about, you've talked about too, is that you 159 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: prioritize lower tech solutions because those things need to be 160 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: replaced less frequently. And I think, like you've mentioned tea kettles, 161 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: and it's funny because we went to like an electric 162 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: tea kettle, but we've had like they didn't last very long, 163 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: and so I'm like, do I need to go back 164 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: to just this basic like just kettle on the on 165 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: the stove things. That's I mean, that's kind of your approach, right. Yes, 166 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: I do have a kettle on the stove, and it 167 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: is such an although it's not that old, it is 168 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: probably I know, fifteen years old at this point. It's 169 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: exactly the one that you can see on the show Madmen, 170 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 1: so it's classical one. But yeah, I don't want things 171 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: that I'm going to have to replace. I did just 172 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: buy a new refrigerator this fall, now that I think 173 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: of it, and I did get one that had like 174 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: zero bells and whistles. The less that's going on with 175 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: the stuff that you own, the less that can go 176 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: wrong with it. Yeah. Yeah, you don't want your fridge 177 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: connected to the internet with like a tablet on it 178 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: and all this other kind of stuff. You're right, I 179 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 1: mean I think that that is like there's more stuff 180 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: to replace, and it's the same kind of with modern 181 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: cars often these days too. And if it's simpler, it's 182 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: something that you could conceivably repair yourself with a good 183 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: YouTube video. Yeah, yep, Okay, So I think you're right 184 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: on that. And I guess like a lot of people 185 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: opt to replace items that I could easily be fixed. 186 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: But you have described yourself as a serial repairer. And 187 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: I remember when we've worked together, Katie back in the day, 188 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: and I learned about this thing called sue grew from you, 189 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: which is like multiple clay and glue which helps repair 190 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 1: all sorts of things. I think you actually sent me 191 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: some in the mail, and I love I love that 192 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: like that you yeah, And I love that You're just 193 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: kind of all about like fixing stuff whenever you can, So, like, 194 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: do you have any best DIY tips for fixing things 195 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: that break from time to time in your life? I've 196 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: just said it, but YouTube, there is very rarely something 197 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: that you're trying to figure out how to do that 198 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: you can't find on YouTube that somebody else has done 199 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: themselves and put together a video about it. You don't 200 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: need to invent the wheel. My husband and I we 201 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: both just you know, if something is wrong, we want 202 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: to know how can we fix this? How can and 203 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: in that way we're able to avoid making new purchases. 204 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: As an example is I was at my son's rental 205 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: house and I noticed that they had a busted up 206 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: dining room chair in the corner of the room, and 207 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 1: I asked his roommate, Hey, do you want me to 208 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: fix this? And he was like, what, I'm like, that 209 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,079 Speaker 1: looks reparable. Would you want me to fix this, and 210 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: he was like, uh, okay, I guess ladies, just you 211 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: know his roommate's mom. So brought it home and it 212 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 1: just was a matter of gluing and clamping in a 213 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 1: couple of different stages. And my son took it back 214 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: last night. And it is not a beautiful chair to 215 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: be handed down to your ancestors, but you know what, 216 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: it's now a functional piece and it literally saves it 217 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: from the landfill, and yeah, makes it so that they 218 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: can have like a you know, proper number of people 219 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: at the dining room table if that ever worked, which 220 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: is honestly, that's that's the most important thing, right, the 221 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: ability for folks to gather around that table. I mean 222 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 1: well with furniture in particular, when you have older furniture 223 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 1: that isn't just particle board. It's made from real wood. 224 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: You can glue it right, like blood glue, like joints 225 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: or whatever where you've used glue. I've learned from personal experience. 226 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 1: It's all. I mean, I think it's stronger than other 227 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: parts of that year. Like it's not going to break 228 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: there again if you have a good bond. But how 229 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: do you know, like when something is beyond repairing, because 230 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: it's difficult to know just like is this something that 231 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: I can tackle myself, or like, how do you know 232 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: it's when it truly is time to just toss it 233 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: out and replace it completely. Well, there isn't necessarily like 234 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,959 Speaker 1: a single single answer to that, But I'm going to 235 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: go back to the example the refrigerator that my husband 236 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: and I just got from Costco. You'll like that Joel 237 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: up their products. So that was good. And this fridge 238 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 1: that we had that we've had since nineteen ninety eight, 239 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: so I remember my son was an infant. It was 240 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: not like a great quality item, and so we've done 241 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: a lot of little repairs and my husband finally after 242 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: countless repairs through the years, was like, you know what, 243 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: I can't figure this out. I think it's the compressor. 244 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,719 Speaker 1: So we went out. We got a bare bones one, 245 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: which by the one got lightly scratched during the delivery process, 246 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 1: and Pascoe gave us like one hundred and fifty two 247 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: hundred bucks back. Sweet. Yeah, And the call I wasn't 248 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: you know, I'm a Karen, talk to your manager lady. 249 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: They offered it. Oh nice, Okay, Well that's the kind 250 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: of company they are. You know, they do stuff like that, 251 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: which is they treat their employees well and they pay 252 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,439 Speaker 1: a living wage. So that's who I want to when 253 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: I am buying new stuff. I look for companies like 254 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 1: that to give my money to. Okay, who you buy 255 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 1: from is really important, but so I mean, it sounds 256 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: like for y'all with a fridge, it kind of came 257 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: down to the maybe the total cost of the of 258 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 1: the repair perhaps was going to total the item. And 259 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: so maybe that's a decent rule of thumb for folks 260 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: to kind of keep in mind. If you're going to 261 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: be sinking more money into this repair and even still 262 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: be subpar, then maybe it's time. It's kind of like 263 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: if you have a car that's old car that's worth 264 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 1: thirty five hundred bucks and you've got it, it's like 265 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: transmission replacement time, you're like, Okay, it probably doesn't make 266 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,959 Speaker 1: sense to repair this thing anymore. It's time to yeah, 267 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 1: parcel this from out for parts. Yeah, we're driving a 268 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: very old car right now, and you know we just 269 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: keeping it well and yeah, and it makes sense, right. 270 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: I was I think we talked about on the show. Recently, 271 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: I spent two hundred and eighty eight dollars to replace. 272 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: I want to say it was a Solennoid or something 273 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: like that, and so I had to get it replaced 274 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: just to pass the emissions test or they won't let 275 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: me drive in the state of Georgia. Three hundred bucks. Yeah, totally. 276 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: I was like saying, I was like really excited to 277 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: spend the money on that because it prevents me from 278 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: having a car payment. And yeah, and I think you're right, Like, 279 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: the more we think about what we're using and how 280 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: much we're consuming on the front end, it kind of 281 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: helps us to create less waste and to create less 282 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: consumption and to spend less money. I'm curious too, because 283 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: we're getting into spring right now and a lot of 284 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: people are probably starting to think about spring cleaning. I 285 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: know we are at our house. We're starting to think 286 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: about decluttering a little bit more. And one of the 287 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: things that you mentioned on your blog is that we 288 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: can often get a tax break for donating these items 289 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: to goodwill. But it's something that most people don't do properly, 290 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: and the deductions can actually be significant. They can add 291 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: up over time depending on what you're giving away, right, 292 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: Can you talk about that? Yes, when I donate to 293 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: Goodwill and they give you the little receipt. I actually 294 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: in that moment, like I drive around the corner and 295 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: park the car, I write two pairs men's pants, you know, 296 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: one youth winter coat. Because when the time comes to 297 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: do your taxes, whether you're doing like a turbo tax 298 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: or maybe one of the like free versions, which I 299 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: recommend that you can put all of that in. You 300 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: can't just say I donated thirty five dollars of stuff. 301 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: You can get so much more. They'll give you like 302 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: a ten dollars credit for a single pair of men's pants. 303 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: That's not a I don't specifically no right now, but 304 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: it can be significant. My husband and I do our 305 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: taxes ourselves, and we do them together, and he always 306 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: hands the computer over and he's like, all right, put 307 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: in the goodwill stuff, and it'll make difference of like 308 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: hundreds of dollars of how much we're getting back. I 309 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: will say, I'm worried that Dale's gonna wake up tomorrow 310 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: with no pants because you're gonna go donate them all 311 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: just for the tax rite offs? Who told you? Sorry? Dale? Okay, 312 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: So practically speaking, so do you immediately enter those into 313 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: whatever software or app you're using, or do you just 314 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: kind of keep a note on your phone. They hand 315 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: you a paper slip and then it has lines for 316 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: what you donated and I write it on those lines. 317 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: It's very and then you just keep just hang onto 318 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: the paper until the until come tax season. I love it. 319 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: I think that's really important, Yeah, because otherwise if you don't, 320 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: if you don't do it like right then and there, 321 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: I think there's a good chance you'll either forget yeah, 322 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: or you might even just say forget about it. You know, 323 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: you may not even take the time. Yeah, yeah, So yeah, 324 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: getting that tax break, that is certainly one thing you 325 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: can do with some of the additional items that you 326 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: have on hand. But you can also take some of 327 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: those things and sell them. We actually are going to 328 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: talk a good bit about how you can make some 329 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 1: additional income with some of your excess goods. We'll get 330 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: to that, plus plenty more right after this are we 331 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 1: are back from the break, We're still talking about using 332 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: things up, wearing them out, making it do, doing without, 333 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: and just kind of like buying less and being some 334 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: harder with our consumption habits. We're talking with Katie walk 335 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: Stanley here on the show today, and Katie, you wrote 336 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: an article about how to practice extreme frugality, So I 337 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: am curious. Matt and I we give the distinction between 338 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 1: things being frugal and cheap on the show, we have 339 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: a recurring segment sometimes the world debate the merits of 340 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 1: a decision and say was that frugal or cheap? But 341 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: you kind of say there's a third way. I don't know. 342 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 1: I'm curious to here your your belief and how you 343 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: think about being frugal or being cheap. I feel like 344 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: the cheap versus frugal debate is like a false dichotomy. 345 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 1: It's not a either one or the other black or 346 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: white issue. I feel like, do you like a good 347 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 1: then diagram? I do. I feel like you've got cheap 348 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: one circle, you've got frugal the other, and then they 349 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: meet in the center and you've gotten on consumerism there. Okay, 350 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: so right in the middle like that, that's that's where 351 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 1: we like to live. Katie. Yeah, I am a how 352 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: Too money listener, and I have heard you guys talk 353 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: about something being cheaper for who goal, and I'm I 354 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: want in on the conversation. I'm like, no, there's a 355 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: third choice. But I feel that like trying to think 356 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: of what, like a good example would be like buying 357 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 1: a low quality item versus buying a very expensive but 358 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,360 Speaker 1: higher quality item. You're like, oh, what do I do? 359 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 1: Do I spend a thousand on this? Or do I 360 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 1: spend four hundred on that? And I feel like there's 361 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 1: that third choice, which is by the expensive, higher quality 362 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: item but find it used. Yeah, Or like I am 363 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: here in Portland, Oregon, we have like amazing restaurants and 364 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: a lot of really inexpensive options to food carts and such. 365 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: We have an amazing like Mexican food cart just a 366 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: couple of blocks away from the house, and I'll go 367 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 1: there and it is cheap. But what I do is 368 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: I will choose like the cheap option, but then I 369 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: end up tipping really well, Okay, And like, for that 370 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: same amount of money, I could have gone to like 371 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: a very dull middle road restaurant, but instead I get 372 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: to go and get something amazing that I make sure 373 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: that I'm tipping well. Even though in Oregon nobody is 374 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: allowed to get less than minimum wage, so even your 375 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: waiters are getting the minimum wage. Oh that's cool, They're 376 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: definitely getting taken care of it. I think so much 377 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: of it does come down to the heart of why 378 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 1: you do something right, and so if you are because 379 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: I think so much of cheap being cheap is it's 380 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,719 Speaker 1: like an attitude, and think what one person's cheap can 381 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: be somebody else's frugal. And it kind of depends on 382 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: how you approach it. But do you have any any 383 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: other examples of some ways that maybe folks have either 384 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: made fun of you or that in your own opinion, 385 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: that I would be considered what are the worst things? 386 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: But just like I guess more extreme examples of frugality. 387 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: Obviously you're you're looking at things on the side of 388 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: the road. I love that. But yeah, I'm curious if 389 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 1: you have any other examples. Um I I love a 390 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: good roadside find. We're not talking road kill for dinner 391 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: or anything like that, right, probably? Not? Okay? Not? No. 392 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: I can make that five dollar Costco chicken stretch for 393 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: many meals. I don't need to be going for possum. No. 394 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: Um I some I recently found a Filson brand like 395 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: nit wool knit cap like in the streets, soggy embedded 396 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: with like oil and leaves and stuff. It was not 397 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 1: recently dropped so I brought it home, I washed it, 398 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: I sweat or shaved it. I put it up on 399 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,239 Speaker 1: eBay and I sold it for forty bucks. So I 400 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: mean there's stuff. But back to cheap. I actually want 401 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:12,679 Speaker 1: to defend cheap. I know the word cheap and the 402 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: idea of cheap gets a very bad rap. But what 403 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: can happen a lot of times is that people do 404 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: not want to be perceived is cheap with family, with friends, 405 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 1: and what they'll do is they will spend beyond their 406 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: means in order to not be viewed as being cheap. 407 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: And in that way, I think demonizing the word can 408 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: do disservice to people. I think that's a good point. 409 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: I think people feel uncomfortable, they don't want to be 410 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: classified in that way, and so you're you're right, they 411 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: probably end up spending in ways they get them in 412 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: trouble when they should probably be just a little more 413 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: comfortable wearing that moniker and not feeling as self conscious 414 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: about it. Admitting you're on a limited budget, finding ways 415 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: to do what you want and do so enjoyably on 416 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 1: like no money or next to no money is a 417 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: creative challenge, and I find that enjoyable and I try 418 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,919 Speaker 1: and help other people find that enjoyable and there is 419 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: no shame in that. And people you know, embarrassed by 420 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 1: the car they drive, even if they have a perfectly 421 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 1: functional car, ye and getting something they can afford because 422 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: they don't want to look cheap. Yeah, I know you're 423 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: spot on, and I think we should be less. I 424 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: don't know. It just makes me think about I've driven 425 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 1: kind of quote unquote beaters for kind of most of 426 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: my whole whole life, even into adulthood. Our only cars 427 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: a two thousand and six Hondo Odyssey and it's powder blue. 428 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: It's not terribly attractive, and I know, you know, some 429 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,479 Speaker 1: people might look and they might judge or something, But 430 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 1: I guess part of it is just kind of a 431 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 1: comfort level in your own skin and with the choices 432 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: that you're making, and saying like, that's just not something 433 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 1: we prioritize, even though a lot of other people do. 434 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: But I think for some people, you're right, it's not 435 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: that they prioritize it, but it's just that they feel 436 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: compelled to follow the crowd and to do kind of 437 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 1: what other people are doing, even if it puts them 438 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: in like a precarious financial position. Yeah, yeah, Katie Joel said, 439 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: being comfortable in your own skin, So essentially kind of 440 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: comes down, I think to the individual, like, do you 441 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 1: have any advice or any tips to help people to 442 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 1: be comfortable with the decisions that they're making, sometimes out 443 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: of necessity or sometimes they're making these decisions out of 444 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 1: just a desire to be frugal, a desire to save 445 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 1: for other financial goals that they might have. But I 446 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: don't know, have you ever talked with folks who find 447 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: themselves in a situation where they really feel uncomfortable being 448 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: in that position? Do you have any advice for them? 449 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: That's a hard one because it is so individual. I mean, 450 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: it kind of boils down to contemptedness. Can you be 451 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 1: you know, if you are a content person with who 452 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,719 Speaker 1: you are and the belongings that you have and the 453 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: person your sense of self that you present out into 454 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 1: the world, Madison Avenue can't touch you. Yeah. You being 455 00:23:55,160 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 1: solid with yourself means that you are not as like 456 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: open to thinking that this purchase is going to make 457 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: your life better. And granted, there are purchases that can 458 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: make your life better, but it shouldn't be motivated by 459 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: feeling bad about yourself. Yeah, and that's a hard one, 460 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 1: and I don't know if that really does answer your question. 461 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 1: I used to work until a few years ago as 462 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: a labored delivery nurse. I worked for twenty four years 463 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: at a high risk unit, and so I had many, many, 464 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 1: many co workers, all of them women. All the nurses 465 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: were women there, and we had, you know, countless in 466 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: depth conversations. You really get to know one another. And 467 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 1: so many women that I was that I worked with, 468 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 1: they were working full time, they had little kids, they 469 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: were often or usually married to someone who had a 470 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: good income, and they're still living paycheck to paycheck. And 471 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: it was Disneyland every year, it was new cars, it 472 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: was it was keeping up with the Joneses. And I 473 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 1: wasn't there to judge, and I wasn't there telling people 474 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: what they're doing wrong. Nobody likes that person. Nobody wants 475 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: unsolicited advice in this world. But I certainly saw that. 476 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: I saw people comforting their unhappiness or their stress with purchases. 477 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 1: And it's hard to see. And it doesn't mean you're 478 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 1: like a bad person if you do that, by any means. 479 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 1: We've all been there where you need to cheer yourself up. Yeah, 480 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: but there's room times it can have really big picture 481 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: consequences that you're not like figuring out what your big 482 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: picture goals are. Yeah, for sure. All right. I want 483 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: to talk about selling things because we talked about donating 484 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 1: things just before the break. But you say that a 485 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: lot of folks who like, they throw things out that 486 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: they could turn into cash, and so like, I don't know, 487 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: And it feels like you're hunting for use things all 488 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: the time at the thrift store on the side of 489 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: the road, and then you're turning around and you're selling 490 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: those items that one man's trash is another man's treasure. 491 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,199 Speaker 1: That's saying I feel like you kind of personify that. 492 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,679 Speaker 1: So talk to me about how you're finding stuff, how 493 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,199 Speaker 1: you're thinking about kind of resale when it comes to 494 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: things that you're getting rid of or things that you're 495 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: finding to just turn a profit on. Yes, I do thrifting. 496 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: I'm not doing it all the time, just four days 497 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: a week, that's all. I swear. I fell you on Instagram. 498 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,199 Speaker 1: I see you at your goodwill all the time. And 499 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: then you're buying stuff and you're selling it on eBay 500 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: and you're making a lot of money. True, I am 501 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 1: doing that. Just last week, I got a couple of 502 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: bar stools and they just kind of stood out as 503 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: quality items when I saw them, and I give them 504 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 1: a little shake tests to make sure they're a sturdy 505 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 1: i'd bottom for and I sold the pair for one 506 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: seventy five and I did that Facebook marketplace. There's not 507 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 1: a single answer to that. One thing that I've enjoyed 508 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: doing is there are a couple of like wealthy neighborhoods 509 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 1: here in Portland and they have like a garage sale 510 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 1: day and what I'll do is I'll drive my two 511 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 1: thousand and five Honda any Van. Make me feel bad. 512 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: You're competitive now at the end of the day, where 513 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: everybody just like puts their stuff like at the curb 514 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: with like a free sign. And I have found boxes 515 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: of books that I can take two Powells, which is 516 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: a bookstore here in Portland, and they'll give you money 517 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: for them. I've found like Yakima rack systems that I'll 518 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: take to a store in town that buys used bike racks. 519 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,479 Speaker 1: I mean, there's just many ways to do that. It's 520 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: interesting though, because you don't want to be a hoarder, 521 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 1: and I'm certainly not I don't know if you can 522 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,919 Speaker 1: hear the echo in this room. I'm not I'm not 523 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 1: that by any means, but I am very deliberate with 524 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 1: the things that I do bring home. I'll check the 525 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,199 Speaker 1: eBay app to see completed listings to see if something 526 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 1: is selling well. Ideally, if I am selling stuff, I 527 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: want to make it least thirty usually fifty bucks on it. Okay, 528 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to make ten dollars here and there. 529 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: That's just kind of like finicky work. Although you know 530 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: I love ten dollars. I've never turned that down. But 531 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: for my efforts and for the stuff that I am 532 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: bringing into my home, I try to do that. So 533 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 1: it sounds like it sounds like what you're saying is 534 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,199 Speaker 1: you value your time and at some point you're not 535 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: going to go through Like, so, how do you think 536 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: about that too when it comes to like your hourly rate, 537 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: or how you think about how much time and effort 538 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,439 Speaker 1: you put into flipping something in order to turn a profit. 539 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: I will clean something up, but I don't want to 540 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: be repairing the stuff that I am selling. Gotcha, that's 541 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: a slippery slope to like setting it aside, and then 542 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,719 Speaker 1: you just kind of never do it. I try to 543 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: make fifty bucks if I'm selling something, and then that 544 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,479 Speaker 1: way it's just kind of worth my time, even though 545 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: I am retired. I guess regardless if you're retired or not, 546 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: for you, you've got a standard, you've got a bar 547 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: that you're not willing to go below. But I think 548 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,719 Speaker 1: that's the biggest problem is that folks are saying that 549 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: they don't have the time. I think there's a lot 550 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: of folks who might be hearing you talk and they're 551 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: saying this is I can totally get behind this. I 552 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 1: don't have the time to do all of this. What 553 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: advice do you have for those folks who like the mission, 554 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: they like the idea of reusing things, but they're saying 555 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: they don't have the time. What are your thoughts there? Oh? 556 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: I feel for those people because I have been there, 557 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: as you know, mom of little kids, working full time 558 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: nights as a nurse. You know, time was not something 559 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: that I enjoyed a plethora of. I guess it's about 560 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: being strategic with what is important. Buying less stuff is 561 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: a way that you can save money. It's very easy 562 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: when you have kids. You just love them to pieces 563 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: and you want to get them absolutely everything. But I mean, 564 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: studies have shown that having less stuff actually helps your 565 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: kids focus more, helps them kind of appreciate the things 566 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: that they do have, and to do more kind of 567 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: focused play than a room that is like filled with 568 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: like everything that Toys, r Us throughout or whoever Amazon. 569 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: I guess at this point, well, we all have seen 570 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: our kids end up playing with the boxes or the 571 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: bots and pains or stuff like that too. That happens, 572 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: and you're just like, what happened to the one hundred 573 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: dollars Barbie Dreamhouse that we got you? Why don't you 574 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: playing with that like that? That that's kind of a 575 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: common refraine here from parents too. Yeah, I mean it's 576 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: it's being a parent is just the hardest thing, especially 577 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: now in the digital age, where you know that that 578 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: Barbie Dreamhouse is competing with a screen. You know, I 579 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: was luckier that my kids are older, I didn't really 580 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: have that issue. But I mean, when you don't have 581 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: the time, you just choose what is important to you, 582 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,959 Speaker 1: and if that is saving money, or if that is 583 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: just having like a simpler life or having like less 584 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: clutter in your home, just you know, maybe find like 585 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: minded people My Facebook group for the Non Consumer Advocate 586 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: has more than eighty thousand people in it, and if 587 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 1: you need inspiration or if you need a question answered, 588 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: it is a really good place to come. Yeah, do 589 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: you feel like there's overlap between the minimalism movement and 590 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: the non consumer movement? Are those similar or are those like? Yeah, 591 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: just I guess I'm curious how much, Like if we're 592 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,959 Speaker 1: talking vinn diagrams, like we're discussing earlier, how much how 593 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: much overlap is there between those two? There is absolutely overlap. 594 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: Having too much stuff, I mean everything you have in 595 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: your home, unless you know your garbage picking, is stuff 596 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: that you paid for. It is money that you spent. 597 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: And a lot of times people hold onto that stuff 598 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: because there's that sunk cost where they're like, well, I 599 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: paid good money for that. Yes I don't like it, 600 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: but you know I'm going to hold onto it because 601 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: you don't want to admit that, you know, the mistake 602 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: that you made. But having less stuff, having a less 603 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: cluttered home is something that a lot of people want. 604 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: It's easier to have friends over, to have house guests. 605 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 1: Having a cluttered home or feeling like you do not 606 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: have like a home that you can welcome people into 607 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: is a very isolating thing for a lot of people. 608 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: With the Internet and social media, we see a curated 609 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: vision of how other people are living, and it makes 610 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: people feel bad about their own messy lives. Yeah, and 611 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: essentially what you're getting at is like the sunk cost fallacy, 612 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: the desire for folks to not want to admit that 613 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: they're wrong. Essentially, and when presented with new data, with 614 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: new facts, sometimes we have to be like, oh, I'm 615 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: going to change my mind. Oh I don't actually need 616 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: this thing in my life, and if that means I 617 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: have to take a loss in order to get rid 618 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: of it. Sometimes we have to let go over egos, 619 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: which I think that might be what you're speaking to 620 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: a little bit here. It is emotionally painful to let go. 621 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: It is, it is, But the more you do it, 622 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: the more you acclimate yourself to like, yeah, I felt 623 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: bad about getting rid of those boots that you know, 624 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: we're always so uncomfortable. You can get rid of them 625 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: and you do survive that process. Yeah, that's true. All right, 626 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: So I want to ask you to something super practical. 627 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: Matt and I we just did a whole episode about 628 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: butchering your grocery bill and you I've like followed your 629 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: grocery buying routine. You call it disjointed, but because you 630 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 1: drive to a bunch of different places to get the 631 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: best price on each item. So I am curious to know. 632 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: I'm sure it's a little different than what my grocery 633 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,959 Speaker 1: routine looks like. Well, what's the Katie Woke Stanley approach 634 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: to buying food without spending too much money? I do 635 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 1: buy different grocery items from different places. And that sounds 636 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: like just if you just look at that for face value, 637 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: that it would be a lot of time and a 638 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: pain in the tuchus. But in fact, it really isn't 639 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: because I work it into like the routine of like 640 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 1: what is already happening. I'm not spending like twelve hours 641 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 1: a day going to different grocery stores. But like, we 642 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,760 Speaker 1: go through a lot of bananas here and Trader Joe's 643 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: it must be a lost leader. They saw him for 644 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 1: nineteen cents a piece, which means you can choose the 645 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 1: big ones. Yeah, do that on my way to the store. 646 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,880 Speaker 1: That's a grocery liquidator here in Portland, Oregon. And I 647 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: call it the dented vegetable store. But they always have 648 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,320 Speaker 1: like those great big packs of like organic mixed screens 649 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: that are like six seven dollars. At least in the 650 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 1: store they have them for two bucks nice sometimes one 651 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,919 Speaker 1: dollar they'll have so I'll go there. I can't get 652 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: all of my stuff there, but I have walked in 653 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 1: and ended up walking out with like a flat of 654 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: strawberries for two dollars. But it's one of those things 655 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 1: like you'd better be ready to make jam that day. 656 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: Ye get me two days out of these with you know, 657 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 1: which just means you have to be ready to be 658 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: resourceful with the things that you're buying. And I think 659 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: that's great, And I think that is is because of 660 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:06,720 Speaker 1: our like on demand society, constantly connected to technology, It's 661 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: it's harder to be a resourceful person. We have to 662 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 1: kind of like build that up in ourselves because it 663 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,399 Speaker 1: just doesn't come naturally. So I love kind of you're 664 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 1: you're pushing us in that kind of into that realm. 665 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 1: But we've got a couple more questions we're going to 666 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: get to you with you, Katie. I specifically want to 667 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 1: talk about the do without part of your moniker and 668 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 1: like how you know when you should just do without, 669 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,319 Speaker 1: because that is something that we're not great at in 670 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: our society. So we'll get some questions on that and 671 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:44,720 Speaker 1: more right after this. All right, we are still talking 672 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,280 Speaker 1: with Kennie will Stanley just about some of the different 673 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: ways we can all implement some frugalness into our lives. 674 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 1: And Katie, you know you touched on this in the 675 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: last section. We were kind of talking about finding that 676 00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: balance between time and money essentially, and for folks recommended. 677 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,359 Speaker 1: What you said is that for folks maybe who have 678 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 1: less time, one of the things that we can do 679 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,359 Speaker 1: is to just generally speak, we can buy less, right, 680 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: because that's something essentially that we can all remove when 681 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,919 Speaker 1: stuff you don't have to make as much money. Yeah, 682 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,800 Speaker 1: and nor does it take any time to not buy something. 683 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 1: You go out to flip something you know on eBay 684 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 1: or like all that takes some time, It takes being resourceful, 685 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 1: but actually not buying something that it's a it's the absence, 686 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 1: it's the absence of time. A good example for that 687 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: is I don't know if you know who amy decision is. 688 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: She wrote the tight Wad Gazette, And that's like an 689 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 1: old school thing back in the archives here. Yeah. And 690 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 1: she wrote in one of her books that she did 691 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 1: a lot of interviews and a lot of she was 692 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 1: filmed for, you know, a lot of TV segments, and 693 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 1: they always wanted to see her actively doing something that 694 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,279 Speaker 1: would save her money. And she said the thing that 695 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 1: she wanted to do was to the kids up in 696 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:06,839 Speaker 1: the car and drive past like McDonald's and just show 697 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,399 Speaker 1: that she wasn't going there. Yeah, but that doesn't make 698 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 1: like a gripping visual image here, I am. That's so 699 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,399 Speaker 1: true though, Yeah, I mean that, like, that's what you're 700 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 1: talking about. That Like essentially that's the do without part 701 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,839 Speaker 1: of your motto. And I mean just generally speaking as 702 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: a society, like self self deprivation. It's not something that 703 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 1: we're that we're great at, but it is obviously one 704 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:33,000 Speaker 1: of yours. You know, that's not an easy message to sell, No, right, 705 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 1: it's not sexy. You can't market it. Like what advertiser 706 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:37,880 Speaker 1: is going to get behind you if you're going to 707 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 1: say to what you should really be doing is just 708 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 1: generally speaking, buy less stuff. But what I would love 709 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 1: to hear from you, though, what are some purchases that 710 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,360 Speaker 1: folks maybe make occasionally or routinely either way, but that 711 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,920 Speaker 1: they're making that you think folks maybe should consider for 712 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 1: going altogether. That that's not an easy answer. That's a 713 00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:01,320 Speaker 1: hard one because it's so individualized. Like for you too, 714 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 1: spending money on craft beer is absolutely worth it to you, 715 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,799 Speaker 1: that brings you pleasure, their satisfaction in that. To me, 716 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 1: I don't really like to drink, and so to me 717 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,280 Speaker 1: that would be an absolute waste of money. I'd sooner 718 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 1: throw it like down the sync as I would to 719 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,919 Speaker 1: drink it. I know, blasphemy here, Yes, yes you would, 720 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 1: you would donate it. This is the last time you'll 721 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,760 Speaker 1: be on the show, by the way, better what this work? 722 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 1: You know, that's a hard one. For some family, like 723 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 1: doing international travel is a priority for them to expose 724 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 1: themselves and their children to different cultures in the world, 725 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 1: and for them, they're going to make sacrifices in their 726 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,359 Speaker 1: everyday life that make that possible. And for somebody else, 727 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 1: perhaps who's more of a homebody, like doing the things 728 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,719 Speaker 1: that give them comfort in the home means they do 729 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 1: not have that money to internationally travel, but they you know, 730 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 1: that's not what they want anyway. I really think that 731 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 1: people think that living below your means it equates to deprivation, 732 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,279 Speaker 1: and that's absolutely not true. I mean it's hard to 733 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,919 Speaker 1: you know, look at the numbers. It's an unpaid it's 734 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,360 Speaker 1: like a painful thing to do. All right, this is 735 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,319 Speaker 1: the money we have coming in, This is the money 736 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 1: that we have going out. What is you know, how 737 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 1: much do we have? It's looking at that, looking at 738 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,799 Speaker 1: the hard numbers and that look in the mirror to 739 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,360 Speaker 1: see like what money do you have and what is 740 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 1: it that you value? Is it savings? Is it college 741 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 1: funds for your kids? Is it travel? Is it helping 742 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,319 Speaker 1: family members who maybe need that help you know they're 743 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,359 Speaker 1: at a stage of life. Yeah, well no, I think 744 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: that's that's so true, and I appreciate that that approach. 745 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,239 Speaker 1: I mean, what I'm hearing is that you're not a hater, 746 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,080 Speaker 1: which I mean that's that's where we tend to fall. 747 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,239 Speaker 1: Because if it's something that's important to you, I think 748 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,920 Speaker 1: you can almost justify any expense out there, if your 749 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 1: heart is in the right place, if it's something that 750 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 1: you value a few and if yeah, exactly if you've 751 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 1: planned for it. It It problem is mostly get on credit. 752 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,720 Speaker 1: I haven't planned for it, and so we're just spending 753 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 1: like everyone else around us, and we haven't done the 754 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,880 Speaker 1: deep work to really think about what does move the 755 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,320 Speaker 1: need on our lives so that we can really spend 756 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,959 Speaker 1: intentionally there and then start to curb spending in other 757 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,360 Speaker 1: areas that maybe just weren't. You're providing much bang for 758 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,319 Speaker 1: the buck, like even something as simple as going to 759 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,360 Speaker 1: get a haircut like every six or eight weeks or 760 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,359 Speaker 1: something like that. Think about how that kind of money 761 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 1: adds up. I'm guessing, Katie, you don't pay someone else 762 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,759 Speaker 1: to cut your hair, right? Um? Well, I used to, 763 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,760 Speaker 1: and I think I've heard that you do this also 764 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:43,439 Speaker 1: Joel the Supercuts training center. Yes, I used That's how 765 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 1: I would get my hair cut, and I would like 766 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,680 Speaker 1: badger the kids to get their haircut that way as well. 767 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 1: Free haircuts for trainees. And again you get the free 768 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,959 Speaker 1: haircut and then you tip. Ye, and so yes, you're 769 00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,279 Speaker 1: spending five dollars, but they're not used to getting a 770 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 1: tip at all, and so they're always really happy to 771 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,040 Speaker 1: get that. Do you tip them before they start cutting 772 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,440 Speaker 1: your hair? That way they try a little extra is 773 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,600 Speaker 1: a good tip, but no. But the thing is that 774 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,279 Speaker 1: that my one, it seems to have gone dormant. I 775 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,280 Speaker 1: can't figure it out. But I did get a cupon 776 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,960 Speaker 1: for like Great Clips for ten ninety nine. So I 777 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 1: went in and I did that, and again, I you know, 778 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,200 Speaker 1: I tipped, well, I tipped not based on a ten 779 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 1: ninety nine hair cutting. Yeah, and I also very infrequently 780 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,200 Speaker 1: get my hair cut. I let it get long and straggly, 781 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,359 Speaker 1: and they chatted off. Again. That's that's my current approach. Yes, 782 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:33,759 Speaker 1: so I've got my own hair since I was in 783 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,560 Speaker 1: middle school, Katie, and since the pandemic started. I was 784 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,239 Speaker 1: one of those that was like, all right, I'm gonna 785 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,799 Speaker 1: do the long hair thing and we'll see how much 786 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 1: longer it lasts. It's getting a little unruly, getting close 787 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:49,879 Speaker 1: to his touch. It's true, well on it, I almost can. 788 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: It's that's getting getting problematic, Katie. You mentioned your kids 789 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,480 Speaker 1: right like you were trying to get them to also 790 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,600 Speaker 1: attend the Great Clips. But I know that you're essentially 791 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,680 Speaker 1: you're an empty nester for now. Essentially they stopped by 792 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,480 Speaker 1: to look in the fridge, very free to hang out. 793 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 1: But I mean, you know, and you've got your husband 794 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,399 Speaker 1: when y'all like, did it ever cause problems? I guess 795 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,680 Speaker 1: like your your frugal tendencies. Did it ever cause any 796 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,080 Speaker 1: family strife as you're trying to take the thermostat down, 797 00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,279 Speaker 1: make it a little bit colder, or if you are 798 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:22,719 Speaker 1: just all the different ways that you're trying to save money, 799 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,000 Speaker 1: I'm curious when you sell everyone's pants, is that ruining 800 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,360 Speaker 1: family relationships or anything? How did you avoid that conflict? 801 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,080 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that it has ever caused strife, as 802 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,120 Speaker 1: that is you know, a strong word to use. I 803 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:40,719 Speaker 1: would say more that you know, no teenager ever wants 804 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,759 Speaker 1: to be told no. And so whether or not you 805 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,200 Speaker 1: are somebody who does traditional shopping where you're gonna take 806 00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,560 Speaker 1: the kids to them all, you're gonna go to Target whatever, 807 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,560 Speaker 1: I mean, all kids here? No. And my kids were 808 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,240 Speaker 1: used to me. They know me, and I was always 809 00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,680 Speaker 1: saying like, you know, hey, we can go to Goodwill 810 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,840 Speaker 1: first and see if they have what you want. And 811 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:06,080 Speaker 1: you know, maybe they were rumpy times, but they knew 812 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:11,120 Speaker 1: that they would get a yes at Goodwill. And it 813 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,640 Speaker 1: doesn't take too many times of thinking like, oh, I'm 814 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,200 Speaker 1: not getting what I want and then you end up 815 00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,600 Speaker 1: finding something that's so expensive if you had bought it new, 816 00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,480 Speaker 1: and yet somehow you got it for five dollars that 817 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,759 Speaker 1: you know it turns things around. So do you feel 818 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,680 Speaker 1: like your kids have kind of followed suit? Do they 819 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,840 Speaker 1: live a similar lifestyle to the way you kind of 820 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:35,759 Speaker 1: raise them how they come around? Yes. No, I am 821 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,200 Speaker 1: not here to force my ways on other people, even 822 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,600 Speaker 1: my own children, and I don't believe anything good comes 823 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,400 Speaker 1: from port forcing your point of view on other people. 824 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,000 Speaker 1: They both will go to Goodwill for stuff or you know, 825 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,160 Speaker 1: they'll ask me if I can check on the buy 826 00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,400 Speaker 1: nothing group to see if somebody has a such and such, 827 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,160 Speaker 1: but they mostly just kind of don't buy a lot 828 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:02,040 Speaker 1: of stuff. Okay, one does have a credit card in 829 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:06,440 Speaker 1: order to build her credit rating, but neither of them 830 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,360 Speaker 1: have any credit debt. We were able to pay for 831 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,839 Speaker 1: them to go to college just out of pocket through 832 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:17,000 Speaker 1: our extreme frugality, so we've set them up for a 833 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,240 Speaker 1: really good adult life. They're not starting with one hundred 834 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:24,360 Speaker 1: thousand dollars in debt, which I just feel so bad 835 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,719 Speaker 1: for people who do not have a choice about that, 836 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,279 Speaker 1: And they know that they're lucky because their friends are 837 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,760 Speaker 1: not in that same situation. They're able to take jobs 838 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,960 Speaker 1: that maybe can build to like better jobs and in 839 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,719 Speaker 1: terms of career wise because they can live on seventeen 840 00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,399 Speaker 1: dollars an hour. Well, I love I mean, I love 841 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,719 Speaker 1: your mission, Katie. I love you've been at in a 842 00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,520 Speaker 1: long time now, through the Facebook group, your Instagram, through 843 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,360 Speaker 1: your blog, just really teaching people about how to just 844 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:57,960 Speaker 1: think about purchases and really life differently than kind of 845 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,120 Speaker 1: our modern conception of it, which I really appreciate. It 846 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,560 Speaker 1: really fits with the vibe of what Matt and I 847 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:03,960 Speaker 1: are trying to do over here at how to Money. 848 00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,640 Speaker 1: So how can our listeners find out more about you 849 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,520 Speaker 1: and what you're up to. Well, I blog at the 850 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:15,360 Speaker 1: Non Consumer Advocate dot com. For years, I blog seven 851 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,960 Speaker 1: days a week. I have doubt that back a bit, 852 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,520 Speaker 1: and I put up a fresh blog post every Monday 853 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,399 Speaker 1: and then sometimes the second one during the week. I 854 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,719 Speaker 1: am on Instagram as the non Consumer Advocate or maybe 855 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,759 Speaker 1: non consumer you'd think. I know, we'll link to them 856 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,640 Speaker 1: in the show notes so everybody can find them quick. 857 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,520 Speaker 1: I have a Facebook group and that has the Non 858 00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,839 Speaker 1: Consumer Advocate. Thank you so much for having me on, 859 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,480 Speaker 1: and I hopefully was able to get the message across 860 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:50,920 Speaker 1: that non consumerism isn't about being deprived. It's about saving money, 861 00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,239 Speaker 1: it's about doing that in a way that looks at 862 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:58,800 Speaker 1: like the environmental impact of our purchases, and hopefully people 863 00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,480 Speaker 1: will respond to that. And I appreciate you having me on, Katie. 864 00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,360 Speaker 1: Always glad to have you, great to chat. Thanks so 865 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,080 Speaker 1: much for coming on. We'll talk to you soon, all right, 866 00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,000 Speaker 1: Thank you Joel Man. What a great conversation we had 867 00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,240 Speaker 1: with especially about Okay, So first, this is my big takeaway, 868 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,839 Speaker 1: but I love that Katie wanted to provide her her 869 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,640 Speaker 1: two cents on the third option. Right, It's not just 870 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,239 Speaker 1: being frugal or being cheap. There's a way that you 871 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:25,000 Speaker 1: can be cheap in most people's books, right, Like, according 872 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:26,680 Speaker 1: to most people, they're going to say that, man, you're 873 00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,720 Speaker 1: you're taking you're taking the cheap option here. But to you, 874 00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,120 Speaker 1: you're being frugal. To you, you're being the non consumer. 875 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,600 Speaker 1: Then really, yeah, you're just opting out of the game 876 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,839 Speaker 1: that everyone else is playing, which I think is kind 877 00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,920 Speaker 1: of Katie's main message to say, like it's not just 878 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,279 Speaker 1: frugal or cheap, it's like you can just check out 879 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,600 Speaker 1: of kind of the normal path that most people take 880 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,120 Speaker 1: through society, which is just to consume a lot more 881 00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,000 Speaker 1: than they need to. And she talked about that at 882 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,240 Speaker 1: the very end, how that can be for environmental reasons, 883 00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,000 Speaker 1: but it can be for money saving reasons, and it 884 00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,239 Speaker 1: can She's you know, she even talked about how she 885 00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,320 Speaker 1: was able to basically set her kids up for a 886 00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,600 Speaker 1: much better future because she took a different path too exactly, 887 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,640 Speaker 1: And I think what she said is also true that 888 00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,800 Speaker 1: it oftentimes can be because of the pressures of other people, 889 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,239 Speaker 1: like you don't want to be perceived as being cheap, 890 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 1: and because of that, it's they're just a lot more 891 00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,839 Speaker 1: consumption that's taken place. But what was your your big 892 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,360 Speaker 1: takeaway aside from that, Aside from the froo versus cheap conversation, 893 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,120 Speaker 1: what is your big takeaway from our conversation today with Katie? 894 00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,799 Speaker 1: You know, so tough to pick one thing, but when 895 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,600 Speaker 1: she said that it all boils down to contentedness and 896 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,560 Speaker 1: that if you are content with what you have and 897 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,200 Speaker 1: with who you are, Madison Avenue can't touch you. And 898 00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,640 Speaker 1: I think oftentimes we are trying to fill a void 899 00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:41,120 Speaker 1: with kind of through consumerism, and we realize, or typically 900 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,879 Speaker 1: actually don't realize that we're not making much of a dent, 901 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,399 Speaker 1: you know, in that void by buying things, and so 902 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:52,040 Speaker 1: we kind of continue to try and it just never works, right. 903 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,560 Speaker 1: And so I think that's a big part of kind 904 00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:58,239 Speaker 1: of what's going on, is that contentedness isn't terribly easy 905 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,399 Speaker 1: to come by, and a lot of people are looking 906 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,960 Speaker 1: to purchases to buy their happiness and it just it 907 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,799 Speaker 1: doesn't work. And so I think, you know, we could 908 00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,520 Speaker 1: talk about all the strategies until we're blue in the face, 909 00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:13,319 Speaker 1: but if you can't find ways to be happy with 910 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,040 Speaker 1: what you have and be happy with less, it's it's 911 00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,000 Speaker 1: going to be really hard I think for Katie's message 912 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,440 Speaker 1: to be applicable to you. Very true. Yeah, all right, 913 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,080 Speaker 1: so since you went with like a twenty thousand foot 914 00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:27,520 Speaker 1: level particularly, i'll i'll dive into the granular. I'll maybe 915 00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,600 Speaker 1: some more than nuts and bolts. And specifically, when she 916 00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:33,760 Speaker 1: was talking about what she is willing to essentially flip 917 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,440 Speaker 1: and sell on eBay or Facebook marketplace, that first of all, 918 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,840 Speaker 1: she's just looking to make at least fifty bucks. Yeah, essentially, 919 00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,560 Speaker 1: like she's not going to do something for just ten 920 00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:44,160 Speaker 1: dollars for her, that's not worth her time. But one 921 00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:45,960 Speaker 1: of the other things she pointed out is that she 922 00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,160 Speaker 1: is not going to take something on that she has 923 00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,440 Speaker 1: to fix. I like that because I think that can 924 00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:51,960 Speaker 1: also be a good rule of thumb for folks who 925 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,200 Speaker 1: are out there and they're thinking, oh, like, I'm pretty 926 00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,600 Speaker 1: good at thrifting, like I can spot a good deal, 927 00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,560 Speaker 1: or or maybe hey, i'm pretty good with a barkeeper's 928 00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,839 Speaker 1: friend and I know how to shine this thing up. 929 00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,880 Speaker 1: And so I think, if this is maybe a tactic 930 00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,160 Speaker 1: and approach that you're thinking about doing making some additional 931 00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,920 Speaker 1: money by selling things on eBay or Facebook, don't look 932 00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,600 Speaker 1: at the different things that need fixing, because I think 933 00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,000 Speaker 1: that's when you might end up being and turning into 934 00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,160 Speaker 1: a hoarder, right because kids, just like I'm not a hoarder. 935 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,000 Speaker 1: She moves things pretty quickly, saying, twenty six projects in 936 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,080 Speaker 1: your garage. You know it need to be more. That's 937 00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:26,080 Speaker 1: what you That's probably what you don't want to turn into. Yeah, 938 00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,000 Speaker 1: And so I thought that was a good little nugget 939 00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,279 Speaker 1: that she's not looking necessarily to fix things, but she 940 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,759 Speaker 1: will bring them in, washing them, get them cleaned up, 941 00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,880 Speaker 1: and then quickly turn them around for a profit. Ye. 942 00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,080 Speaker 1: But keep that in mind if if you're also looking 943 00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:38,680 Speaker 1: to make something after change on the side. I think 944 00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,239 Speaker 1: it was last year that we did to Sell Your 945 00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,400 Speaker 1: Stuff challenge and a lot of listeners decided they were 946 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,160 Speaker 1: going to try to sell fifty two things, one thing 947 00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,080 Speaker 1: a week and see how much money that can make them. 948 00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,920 Speaker 1: And so it is one of those things where you 949 00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,879 Speaker 1: could even look to pick up free things or buy 950 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,040 Speaker 1: additional things that you know you can turn for a 951 00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,960 Speaker 1: profit and add those and trying to sell fifty two 952 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,799 Speaker 1: things this year in addition to you just kind of 953 00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,440 Speaker 1: the things that you want to declutter or get rid 954 00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,400 Speaker 1: of from your own home. But and then it's just 955 00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,960 Speaker 1: that last thing keeping those tax receipts. Who knows how 956 00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:08,960 Speaker 1: much that's going to save you on taxes when it 957 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,480 Speaker 1: comes comes tax time from the stuff you're donating when 958 00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,560 Speaker 1: you take it to goodwill. But Matt, let's get back 959 00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:16,120 Speaker 1: to the beer that we had on this episode. This 960 00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,440 Speaker 1: was Cloudscape IPA by Newpark Brewing or your thoughts on 961 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,480 Speaker 1: this one. Yeah, first, a big thank you to Matthew. 962 00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,040 Speaker 1: Thank you for doating this one as well as the 963 00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,560 Speaker 1: other New Park brewis that we've had here on the show. 964 00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:29,040 Speaker 1: I assume this is the single IPA version of we 965 00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:30,560 Speaker 1: had a double It was it last week or a 966 00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,360 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, but it was it double cloud 967 00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:36,400 Speaker 1: or I think so yeah, so very similar, vibe, very similar, fantastic. 968 00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:40,239 Speaker 1: Certainly drank more like a single I guess, not a 969 00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,840 Speaker 1: double but a single IPA, but which just means like 970 00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,480 Speaker 1: less robust, less intense, but still a little easier to drink, 971 00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,600 Speaker 1: packing a lot of flavor drinks more like a hoppy, 972 00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,839 Speaker 1: pale ale, but fantastic it. I mean it had all 973 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,040 Speaker 1: of the qualities that you're looking forward to New England 974 00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,799 Speaker 1: hazy IPA, juicy, so it had a fair amount of 975 00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,879 Speaker 1: sugars going on, but not too sweet where it felt 976 00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:02,359 Speaker 1: like it was just getting weighed down. And it had 977 00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,719 Speaker 1: that nice kind of fresh crispness that you get from 978 00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:06,560 Speaker 1: this hops. Yeah. I really enjoyed it. Yeah do you 979 00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,400 Speaker 1: like it? Yeah? Yeah, I like you said, crisp. It 980 00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,840 Speaker 1: had like a crispness to it, which usually is a 981 00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:15,600 Speaker 1: word or a description reserve for like pilzers and loggers 982 00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,480 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But this was like I had 983 00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,200 Speaker 1: a kind of like a chrispypa, which I thought was 984 00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,440 Speaker 1: a nice little combo. It was definitely hoppy, definitely juicy, 985 00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,839 Speaker 1: but had that crispness to it at the end, which 986 00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,719 Speaker 1: I thought kind of nice finish on that on this beer. 987 00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,080 Speaker 1: For sure, it was fantastic. Thanks, Matthew, appreciate it. Man 988 00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,200 Speaker 1: and matt that's going to do it for this episode. 989 00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,759 Speaker 1: We'll have links up to all of Katie's resources up 990 00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,279 Speaker 1: in the show notes up on our website at how 991 00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,000 Speaker 1: to money dot com. All right, buddy, So until next time, 992 00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,319 Speaker 1: best Friends Out, Best Friends Out.