1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. 3 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 2: Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show Monday Edition. I 4 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 2: hope all of you had fantastic weekends and are ready 5 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 2: for what promises to be yet another wild week in 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 2: the United States of America as Donald Trump will face 7 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 2: his being turned in at the Miami Courthouse on Tuesday, 8 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 2: just down the street from where Buck Sexton lives. So 9 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 2: Miami now going to be the center of the political universe. 10 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 2: We will discuss the latest on the charges being brought 11 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 2: against Trump as well as the continuing fallout there but 12 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: a lot of different things. Gavin Newsom sits now with 13 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,480 Speaker 2: Sean Hannity for an interview. What is his angle there? 14 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 2: Trans athletes as men being able to compete against women 15 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 2: in the wake of Leah Thomas Gallups got a new poll. 16 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 2: They are collapsing. Ron DeSantis is the new Grand Wizard 17 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 2: of the KKKA, according to people at the Tony Awards. 18 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 2: Vivek Ramaswami firing back at CNN. He has been very 19 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 2: good when he has been on CNN. Bill Barr weighs 20 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 2: in with Shannon Breem on the impeachment and uh, the 21 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 2: latest on the Daniel Penny case, also mask required at 22 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 2: the White House for college athletes. A lot to discuss, 23 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 2: but we begin with the continuing fallout of the Trump 24 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 2: indictment on federal charges that was released on Friday. And 25 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 2: I want to play this cut buck because to me, 26 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 2: the number one story right now is when is this 27 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 2: trial going to happen? And then we can analyze the 28 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 2: legality surrounding it. 29 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 3: I was gonna remind everybody you were out last week 30 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 3: on vacation, you called in, But here we are now 31 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 3: with your first You know you're you're stepping You stepped 32 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 3: off the hiking trail to wag in before, but now 33 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 3: you're kicking us off with analysis on this. And obviously 34 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 3: there was a ton a ton of takes on this 35 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 3: from folks on the weekend. 36 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 4: So now we're getting to weigh in more more fully. 37 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 2: Let's listen to Jack Smith because to me, the most 38 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 2: essential question about this case is what will the time 39 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 2: frame be? Jack Smith, not surprisingly wants this to happen 40 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 2: as quickly as possible. Listen, It's very important for me 41 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 2: to note that the defendants in this case must be 42 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 2: presumed innocent until proven guilty. 43 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 3: Beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law. 44 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 4: To that end, my. 45 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 3: Office will seek a speedy trial in this matter consistent 46 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 3: with the public interest and the rights of the accused. 47 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 2: Okay, Buck, So here is I'm going to tell you. Basically, 48 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 2: if I was Donald Trump's defense attorney, Here's what I 49 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 2: would be thinking. I read the entire indictment on Friday 50 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 2: when they released it, and here is what I would 51 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 2: be thinking. If I were Donald Trump's defense attorney, I 52 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 2: would be first of all, I don't want this trial 53 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 2: to happen until after the twenty twenty four presidential election. 54 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 2: So my number one strategy if I were advising Donald 55 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 2: Trump would be delay. 56 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 4: Delay. Delay. 57 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 2: That means you challenge all of these different aspects. In particular, 58 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 2: is his own attorney's testimony against him permissible? 59 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 4: Right? 60 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 2: Is this a part of the so called crime fraud 61 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 2: exemption that generally applies for attorney client privilege. I would 62 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 2: take this as far as I could. In terms of 63 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 2: the interplay between the Espionage Act and the Presidential Records Act, 64 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 2: which is going to be I think a major legal 65 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 2: issue that must be resolved, I would certainly combat all 66 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 2: of the inclusion of much of this evidence that I 67 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 2: could to the utmost degree because I want to hold 68 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 2: this out for as long as possible. 69 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 4: Now, I want to be honest with everybody. 70 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 2: And by the way, eight hundred and two two to 71 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 2: two eight a two, if you want to weigh in 72 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 2: and ask questions, I don't necessarily want opinions, but smart questions. 73 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 2: This is far more serious, Buck, than anything that was 74 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 2: alleged in New York. And whatever defense you want to 75 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 2: offer of Trump, and I think the best defense is 76 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 2: these allegations do not rise to the level of destroying 77 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty years of United States judicial history. 78 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 2: To charge a former president and the leading candidate to 79 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 2: potentially become president again for these issues is to me indefensible. 80 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 2: Having said that Buck, Trump behaved recklessly here, he could 81 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 2: have easily managed to not turn this into a federal 82 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 2: criminal indictment. And when people out there, I want you 83 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: to listen carefully to me. My biggest concern as I 84 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 2: read all of this is Trump allowed himself to get 85 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 2: played by his adversaries in the federal government. I don't 86 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 2: think it's fair. I think it is clearly politically motivated. 87 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 2: But all Trump had to do was turn over these 88 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 2: documents and this would have gone away Buck. 89 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 4: And that's what. 90 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 2: Is particularly frustrating to me, is this was a hamhanded 91 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 2: and reckless activity without substantial benefit to Donald Trump or 92 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 2: anyone who supports him. 93 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 3: So a few things come to mind with all this. 94 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 3: One is, let's just you often talk about the timeline, Clay. 95 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 3: If he is able to delay this, we would be 96 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 3: in a situation where you would have the leading Republican 97 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 3: candidate in a position where, if he were to win, 98 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 3: he might be able to pardon himself from federal charges 99 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 3: that were pending during the election. It is also noteworthy 100 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 3: because there's a real possibility that that delay will not 101 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 3: be we don't know. It is in a judge's hands. 102 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 3: A Trump appointed to judge who you know, some had 103 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 3: said was a little favorable to Trump. When it came 104 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 3: to the initial special master appointment. For those who recall 105 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 3: back last summer at Mar a Lago, Trump's legal team 106 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 3: made motions that there needed to be a special master 107 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 3: to separate, you know, a napkin from a golf course 108 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 3: where someone wrote a nice message to him from something 109 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 3: that's allegedly classified. 110 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 4: The judge ruled this. 111 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 3: Judge Eileen Cannon ruled initially in his favor, and then 112 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 3: I believe she was in that regard overturned on appeal 113 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 3: that the Special Master is going to do all this, 114 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 3: So is she going to be favorable to the delay? 115 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 4: We don't know. 116 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 3: If it's not delayed. Trump has already said, so we're 117 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 3: going through the ifs here. If it is not delayed, 118 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 3: and if he has found guilty. And that's a big 119 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 3: even under the circumstances of this, all you need is 120 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 3: one juror, and you could have a handful who. 121 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 4: Just says this is clearly a political hit. Yeah, it's 122 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 4: a political hit, you know. 123 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 3: Claiy to your point about the legality of it, and 124 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 3: I brought this up on Friday before you called in. 125 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 3: If the federal government, and there have even books written 126 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 3: about this, if the federal government decides to come after you, 127 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 3: I mean really go after you, go through all of 128 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 3: your taxes, go through you know, every wire transfer you've 129 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 3: ever made. They're gonna get you taxes is the easiest 130 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 3: way they usually can, unless you're Hunter Biden. And that 131 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 3: goes to the double standard component of this. But I 132 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 3: think when people have seen bull crap charge after bull 133 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 3: crap charge, stretching back for what are we going on now? 134 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 3: Seven years? There's a sense that okay, so now they 135 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 3: you know, it's like a cop who tails you forever 136 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 3: and then finally gets you for failure to signal. 137 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 4: It's like the law is the law. 138 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 3: Well, are you really trying to serve a higher purpose 139 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 3: of justice or are you just trying to be hyper 140 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 3: officious and use it to attack somebody? 141 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 4: Right? 142 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 3: So if it is before he says he will stay 143 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 3: in the race even if found guilty. Yeah, which sets 144 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 3: up another fascinating possibility here, which would be presidential candidate 145 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 3: possibly in prison. Again, I who knows, you're right? You 146 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 3: never know what a jury's gonna do. I feel right 147 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 3: now like a jury's not going to convict on this, 148 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 3: but I don't know. Let me that's good to point 149 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 3: out this case is in Florida. 150 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 2: If I'm analyzing it, I almost entirely would make the case, 151 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 2: and I would be making this case publicly as much 152 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 2: as I can. If I were Trump or I was 153 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 2: Trump's attorneys, this is an illegitimate prosecution. If I were 154 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 2: in Miami and I were potentially seated on this jury, 155 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 2: I would vote not to convict Donald Trump. Of these 156 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 2: charges because I think the president being set by a 157 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 2: conviction is so supremely awful for our country. So there 158 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 2: are a lot of people listening to us right now 159 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 2: in South Florida. I believe I'm correct, Buck, and you 160 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 2: may know better on the actual jurisdiction. Is this just 161 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 2: Dade County jurors? That is people who you know? Miami 162 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 2: is a big, sprawling area in terms of who is 163 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 2: seated on this jury. I'm not an expert on that. 164 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 2: I know Buck Sexton could be one of the jurors 165 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 2: called in in this case and would be rightly and 166 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 2: quickly excluded, I think, from being able to seat sit 167 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 2: on this jury. Can you imagine the reaction of. 168 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 3: Somehow you can go down and stand outside the courthouse 169 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 3: with like a trench code and some dark sunglasses on 170 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 3: and report live from the courthouse tomorrow, because it wouldn't 171 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 3: be I think. 172 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 2: I think I think you should go down tomorrow and 173 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 2: report live from the courthouse like we had Ali, But 174 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 2: I would vote to there's a jury nullification element here, 175 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 2: and if we presume, let's say I think I'm correct 176 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 2: in this, I think Ron DeSantis narrowly lost uh Dade 177 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 2: County right. But the larger Miami area, I'm not sure. 178 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 2: Is it the city of Miami Dade. Miami Dade is 179 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 2: the county, and he won. He won Miami Dade, right, 180 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 2: But is there Miami City also that has a different precinct. 181 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 2: He narrowly lost Miami City. What I'm saying is the 182 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 2: jury pool, if it's all of Miami Daye County, which 183 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 2: I believe it is, Let's say that it's roughly going 184 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 2: to be fifty to fifty, right, like somewhat akin to 185 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 2: a fifty to fifty jury. I think there's likely Venezuelans 186 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 2: and Cubans listening to us right now in South Florida 187 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 2: who would say I am not going to convict Donald 188 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 2: Trump for president for these crimes. I think it's gonna 189 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 2: be really hard to get a conviction. 190 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 3: Most of I could speak with some experience here. Most 191 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 3: of the COVID refugees from the Northeast down to Florida 192 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 3: are two time Trump voters, yes, and a lot of 193 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 3: them are in places like Miami Dad. Now, so you 194 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 3: have a very different jury pool. Look if it's interesting 195 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 3: because there's strategy involved here too. If Jack Smith had 196 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 3: brought this charge in DC. 197 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 4: Every one I would be sitting here. 198 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 3: But can I just also say we got a little 199 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 3: bit of heat for saying, guys, I think the indictment's coming, 200 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 3: and think because we knew it was coming, right, I'm 201 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 3: just telling everybody talked off air as we said yesterday, 202 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 3: like I was actually concerned because I had that trip 203 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 3: to to the Smoky Mountain scheduled for for several months 204 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 3: that it was going to happen like it did right 205 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 3: while I was out. The indicators were there, and I 206 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 3: know there were some folks who are like, oh, why 207 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 3: are you talking about this. It's not gonna happen. No, 208 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 3: cause it was going to happen, and we knew what 209 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 3: was going to happen, and now it did so for 210 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 3: anyone who was doubting us, and that one, can I 211 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 3: just say, we're just trying to tell you where you 212 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 3: know what we can see that is probable or almost certain. 213 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,839 Speaker 3: And in this case, if it were in d C, 214 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 3: I think a conviction would be almost never know, but 215 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 3: it would be almost certain in just because of who 216 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 3: lives in DC, it is ninety five percent Democrat. Democrats 217 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 3: aren't going to care. This whole thing is a political 218 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,839 Speaker 3: prosecution that much is obvious. So the politics of the 219 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 3: jury pool are effectively determinative. And now when you look 220 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 3: at Miami, Okay, now we're talking fifty to fifty basically 221 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 3: based on the jury pool political affiliation. Now there are 222 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 3: some people who are saying, though, this is because Jack 223 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 3: Smith thinks, again from his person, from the Special Council 224 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 3: Democrat hatchet man perspective, that by getting a conviction in 225 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 3: a fifty to fifty district politically it is even more damning. 226 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 3: And therefore that this shows the strength of his case 227 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 3: is what the Special Council advocates are saying. They're rolling 228 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 3: the dice on this one, right, because if I were 229 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 3: him and I was just trying to do the political 230 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 3: hit job, I. 231 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 2: Would do it in DC. I don't think he could 232 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 2: have brought the case in DC. The more and more 233 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 2: I look at it, Buck, every bit of the indictment 234 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 2: that he lays out originated in Florida. I think that's 235 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:40,719 Speaker 2: I think they're trying to spin it as this is 236 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:44,079 Speaker 2: how confident he is. But the way they do it 237 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 2: it has to do with the espionageack because the initial 238 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 2: classification authority is the federal government seated in DC, That's 239 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 2: how they can get around that by saying you have 240 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 2: you know, if you're stealing documents that relate to the 241 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 2: national defense, they can usually make a case. This is 242 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 2: why all the espionagack cases are in the or in 243 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 2: d C or the Northern District of Virginia, because that's 244 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 2: where a lot of the you know, the classified agencies operate. 245 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 2: I think he believed and rightfully in my opinion, that 246 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 2: this case might well get removed to South Florida. I 247 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 2: also think buck he's going to bring charges related to 248 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 2: January sixth in DC. To your point, well, yeah, yes, 249 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 2: I think that's probably true. I think the Trump team, 250 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 2: if it had been said in DC, would have had 251 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 2: a very strong case for a venue change. 252 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 4: Would they have gotten it up? 253 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 3: But if he had gotten a venue changed right out 254 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 3: of the gate, that looks like you got to think 255 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 3: of the optics of this, right, the political nature of it. Oh, 256 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 3: you're trying to get him in DC and a judge 257 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 3: admits that that's nonsense. It needs to be Florida. That 258 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 3: would have factored into the perception of this of this too. 259 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 3: But it's look, it's a political prosecution. I mean part 260 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:51,839 Speaker 3: of this Claud you see all the people over the 261 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 3: weekend who are like, we don't even know, like, what 262 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:58,199 Speaker 3: could people what could people have seen in these boxes? 263 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 4: Nobody saw any thing in the boxes. 264 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 3: And Hillary had her emails over an open server and 265 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 3: no one has any idea whether they were hacked or not. 266 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 3: And they made this whole case that, well, we can't 267 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 3: prove anyone got access to the one hundred plus, you know, 268 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 3: top secret documents that she had, so no harm, no foul. 269 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 3: It's got you know, it's got to go both ways. 270 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 3: I mean, there's the political witch hunt component of this, 271 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 3: but there's also the double standard part of it, which 272 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 3: I think you addressed right away. That's the one you 273 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 3: just can't get around. That you can't get around. So far, Buck, 274 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 3: I said, I thought they'd bring the charges against Hunter. 275 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 3: So far it hasn't happened. I know, kind of like 276 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 3: the system is rigged, Clay, you're saying, the rigged system. 277 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 4: No, I'm don't have to buy you. I don't have 278 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 4: to buy you. 279 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 3: Like many stakes, I think if it ends up being 280 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 3: the Hunter thing, I'm not super confident in that position anymore. 281 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 3: Because they've now done this. It'd be so easy and 282 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 3: as I've said, okay, we gotta go run to a 283 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 3: break yet eight hundred two two two eight a two. 284 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 3: If you have any questions or any specific legal thoughts 285 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 3: on this, will put it out to any of the 286 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 3: lawyers out there, any of the prosecutors out there there? 287 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 4: What do you think? But one hundred thing. We'll see 288 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 4: if they make it go away or not. 289 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 3: If you own a small business like a restaurant or 290 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 3: a bar, you likely employ anywhere between five to five 291 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 3: hundred people. 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Get Refunds dot Com. 309 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: Slay Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth. 310 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 3: Welcome back to Clay And but you know one thing 311 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 3: I thought was really interesting over the weekend. 312 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 4: We're gonna get some of. 313 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 3: Your calls here in a second with any questions or 314 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 3: you know, if you're going to weigh in on the 315 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 3: on the legality of this. And I think one of 316 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 3: the reasons we're trying to focus on that aspect is 317 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 3: we all know that this is political, so so we 318 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 3: don't we're all on the same page as a political hit. 319 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 3: They're they're going after Trump again. The brag political hit 320 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 3: in New York was a joke. But this one, this 321 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 3: one might actually do some damage. And and we'll talk 322 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 3: more about that. There's still Georgia to look at and 323 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 3: and how this all effects the election. 324 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 4: So we'll get it. 325 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 3: We'll dive into all that momentarily. But Clay, I just 326 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 3: thought this was this is remarkable. So the Biden White 327 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 3: House still has for athletic collegiate athletic weekend. 328 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 4: You know about this. 329 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 3: The Biden White House, folks has masking and social social 330 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 3: distancing guidance in effect for collegiate athletics weekend for the unvaccinated. 331 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 4: This is a This is now. 332 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 3: This is a religious belief for people who think that 333 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 3: space aliens are gonna land and the world is going 334 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 3: to end every year and we're in like year twenty 335 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 3: of it and they still don't care. 336 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 4: You know, next year the space aliens are going to land. 337 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:34,640 Speaker 4: Fauciism has rotted their brains. 338 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,959 Speaker 2: These are among the most athletic and healthy people in 339 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 2: all of America. They are college national champions. And for 340 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 2: those of you who are not aware, if they are 341 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 2: visiting the White House, which would be a cool thing 342 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 2: to do. If you were a college national champion and 343 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 2: you have not gotten the COVID shot, you have to 344 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 2: wear a mask and you have to still adhere to 345 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 2: social distancing. I mean it's crazy, even by crazy standards. 346 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 2: We'll take some of your calls next eight hundre A 347 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 2: two to two eight A two, Verizon AT and T 348 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 2: T Mobile. If you're with them, you're overpaying. Switch to 349 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 2: pure Talk right now. 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And if 368 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 2: I could encourage Trump to look larger than himself. After 369 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 2: he was indicted, he came back to mar A Lago. 370 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 2: He gave a speech in after the New York indictment 371 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 2: and it was very much focused on him as the victim. 372 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 2: And I understand that. I understand why it's frustrating to 373 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 2: Trump to be targeted like he has been. But if 374 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 2: Trump can build a larger story here, and the larger 375 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 2: story is the awful precedent that is being set after 376 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty years as a country not doing this. Basically, 377 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,120 Speaker 2: now we are charging political opponents and trying to put 378 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,199 Speaker 2: them in prison for the rest of their lives. The 379 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 2: president is set Trump, Buck, you were just telling me 380 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 2: off air, has now put on truth social What did 381 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 2: he say if he gets elected? 382 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 4: What happens? 383 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 3: This is from Donald Trump on truth. Now that the 384 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 3: seal is broken. In addition to closing the border and 385 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 3: removing all of the criminal elements that have illegally invaded 386 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 3: our country, making America energy independent and even dominant again, 387 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 3: and immediately ending the war between Russia and Ukraine, there 388 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 3: are a bunch of things. 389 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 4: He says he's going to do. I will appoint a. 390 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 3: Real special prosecutor to go after the most corrupt president 391 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 3: in the history of the USA, Joe Biden, the entire 392 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 3: Biden crime crime family, and all others involved with the 393 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 3: destruction of our elections, borders, and country itself. This is 394 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 3: the presidential equivalent of an eye for an eye, my friends, 395 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 3: Hope is saying, if I win, it's going to be 396 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 3: more than just a bad election day for the Biden Sorry. 397 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 4: No, it's self evident. This is where this leads. 398 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 2: And I don't disagree with Joe Biden with Donald Trump's 399 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 2: response here because even on CNN, We've got to cut 400 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 2: here where they're talking remembers the FBI has had the 401 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 2: Hunter Biden laptop since December of twenty nineteen, and on 402 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 2: CNN they even had a commentator saying, what in the 403 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 2: world is going on here? Listen to this, as we 404 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 2: have clearly two forms of justice here. Donald Trump gets 405 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 2: the book thrown at him for everything, and Republicans in general. 406 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 2: Meanwhile Joe Biden and his entire crime family nobody does anything. 407 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 4: Listen. 408 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 5: Sarah makes a great point about the Hunter Biden investigation 409 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 5: at DOJ. This is preposterous. This has been pending, according 410 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 5: to our reporting at CNN, since twenty eighteen, five years. 411 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 5: And this, by the way, this investigation is not the laptop. 412 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 5: This investigation is a tax issue. Did Hunter Biden declare 413 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 5: his income and a sort of obscure gun law? Did 414 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 5: he possess a gun while he was addicted to drugs, 415 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 5: which you're not allowed to do under federal law? Did 416 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 5: he lie about that? 417 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 4: But five years? 418 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 5: I mean, that's a five week investigation. Somebody, and this 419 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 5: spans the Trump administration and the Biden administration. Someone's got 420 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 5: to make a call in this case. I don't know 421 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 5: what is going on, but it's beyond anything I've seen before. 422 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 3: I'll tell you this, If Joe Biden loses, Hunter Biden's 423 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 3: going to prison, well. 424 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,959 Speaker 2: Well he might actually benefit Buck because the statutes all 425 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 2: limitations may run out in the charges that they want 426 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 2: to bring against him, which I think is part and 427 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,360 Speaker 2: parcel of this two tier justice system that we have. 428 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 2: And that's why I would like for Trump to make 429 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 2: this a larger indictment of the system that has been created. 430 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 2: I would like to write a speech Buck because he 431 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 2: could come out on Tuesday. I believe he's going to 432 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 2: speak at Bedminster after the arraignment in Miami, and Buck, 433 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 2: he could come out and say this is this, These 434 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 2: charges represent a fundamental rejection of everything that Joe Biden 435 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 2: claimed to you, right, he said he was going to 436 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 2: come in as someone who united the nation, as someone 437 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 2: who would returned normalcy to the country. Instead, he has 438 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 2: engaged in the most direct attack upon democracy that has 439 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 2: ever existed in the history of the United States. We've 440 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 2: never seen this before. Buck. 441 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 3: You know, I'll tell you I I thought that the 442 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 3: I just checked it. The statute of limitations even on 443 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 3: wire fraud, federal wire fraud, it's only five years. I 444 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 3: thought it was ten. Some the statutes differ on you know, 445 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 3: there's some st you know, there's no statute limitation on murder, 446 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 3: for example, no statute of limitation on on treason. There 447 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 3: are a range of crimes. But so it seems to 448 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 3: me that actually, now that I'm looking at the math 449 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 3: and thinking about it, when was the last thing that 450 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,959 Speaker 3: Hunter Biden would it is a twenty eighteen. So they 451 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 3: just can run the clock out and then they can say, yeah, 452 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 3: we're handling this. 453 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 4: Sorry, we can't do anything about it. Yeah, I think 454 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 4: that's clear. 455 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 2: What so they're running the clock point Yeah, and to 456 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 2: the point, I mean, just use this as an example. 457 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 2: Jack smith Buck was appointed in November and has now 458 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 2: brought charges what is it eight months later in a 459 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 2: fairly convoluted investstigation without substantial precedent relating to a former 460 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 2: president of the United States? 461 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 4: Eight months. 462 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 2: They can't figure out Hunter Biden. They've had the laptop 463 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 2: since at least December twenty nineteen. The case itself has 464 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 2: been opened five years. Here's why the Hunter Biden the 465 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 2: Hunter Biden reality now? Well, actually there are a few things. 466 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 3: One is, I think part of the slow roll and 467 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 3: the whole effort here is to just make it about 468 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 3: Hunter and not look at the connectivity between Hunter and 469 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 3: Joe and the money flowing into the family. Because Hunter 470 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 3: Biden being a screw up and all those things. People 471 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 3: will say, Oh, and Joe's his dad and he loves them, 472 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 3: and we can forgive and forget what Hunter did, But 473 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 3: it's really about the Biden crime family. So point one 474 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 3: for them has always been to prevent anybody from understanding 475 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 3: the full scope of the Biden corruption and that it 476 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 3: directly implicates the guy sitting in the White House. Right, 477 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 3: That's been a big part of it all along, And 478 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 3: now I think what we're seeing is by running out 479 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 3: the statute. So now actually I'm feeling better about my 480 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 3: stake bet Clay running out the statute of limitations on Hunter. 481 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 3: These crimes that they're talking about, we're talking to things 482 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 3: like tax evasion, wire fraud. This is easy stuff. This 483 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 3: is why everybody who gets nailed on this takes a 484 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 3: plea bargain because it's just the numbers on this screen, 485 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 3: it's the reality of the banking transfers. There's not really 486 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 3: a lot to discuss. And so the fact that they've 487 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 3: slow rolled this right, this isn't a super complicated at 488 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 3: least some of the charges that are already on issue. 489 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 3: But what they've done is they've given Hunter the system 490 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 3: deep state, however you want to describe it, apparatus. They've 491 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 3: given Hunter the political benefit of we're not gonna prosecute 492 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 3: a sitting president's son for this stuff. We're just gonna 493 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 3: run it out. That's what it seems like right now. 494 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 3: And I think that's particularly enraging to people because that's 495 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 3: the approach with Hunter. Biden with Donald Trump, we have 496 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 3: the exact opposite, which is get the most extreme charges 497 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 3: you can from as many places as you can, to 498 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 3: do anything you can to stop him from not just 499 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 3: being the nominee but winning. I mean, it's gonna be 500 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 3: a close No one thinks this. I think it's not 501 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 3: gonna be a close race in these states between Trump 502 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,360 Speaker 3: and Hunter. I mean, sorry, Trump and Joe trumpet Hunter 503 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 3: would be interesting too. I wonder, Buck, on some level, 504 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 3: whether there's a behind the scenes discussion going on with 505 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,679 Speaker 3: Joe Biden where they are saying, if you agree not 506 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 3: to run, we won't charge your son. And that is 507 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 3: the way that the Democrats get Joe Biden to leave. 508 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 3: But they make it look like it's a voluntary choice 509 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 3: as opposed to some sort of because because I'll say 510 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 3: that who. 511 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 4: Has that, who is the mafia? 512 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 3: Don who has that sit down with the sitting president 513 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,919 Speaker 3: says you step. 514 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 4: Down or we're gonna we're gonna charge your son. Like 515 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 4: who does that? Though? Right? 516 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's the question of do we really 517 00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:00,120 Speaker 2: think that the powers that be in the Democrat Party 518 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 2: want Joe Biden to be the candidate? And let me 519 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 2: say this, two Buck, I thought because if I were 520 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 2: mapping this out and I was Merrick Garland, I would 521 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 2: want charges brought first against Hunter Biden, let it marinate, 522 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 2: let it last for a week or two, and then 523 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 2: you bring charges against Trump, and I think you would 524 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 2: have deluded a lot of the ability of Trump to 525 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 2: attack the two tiered system. Now it will look too little, 526 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 2: too late, no matter what. Right now it looks like 527 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,199 Speaker 2: even if you do it, you're just trying. Oh but 528 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 2: we the two tiered justice system isn't real. 529 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 3: No, we know it is real, and so it's less 530 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 3: effective doing it this way. I think that's definitely the case. 531 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 2: And so I wonder that makes me a little bit 532 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 2: apprehensive about my idea that Merrick Garland was going to 533 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 2: bring charges against Hunter Biden too, because the time to 534 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,439 Speaker 2: do it was before you brought charges against Trump. 535 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 3: That really was so just one thing to keep thinking about. 536 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 3: Here is on the Biden and let's come back. There's 537 00:27:58,119 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 3: the Gavin Sean did to sit Down. I don't think 538 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:03,199 Speaker 3: the full interview aired, so it's Sean Hannity did a 539 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 3: there was a teaser out from the interview, and look, 540 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 3: I'm gonna watch. I really want to watch what Gavin 541 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 3: Newsom says to Shaun, so I'll be watching that, But 542 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 3: the whole Biden gets pushed aside thing. Here here's why 543 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 3: I see it as I'm still I'm very confident that 544 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 3: he's still gonna be nominate. 545 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 4: Here's why. 546 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 3: If it's Trump, Democrats are absolutely convinced that Joe Biden 547 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 3: is their best option and that Joe Biden will win. 548 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 3: Now that doesn't mean before anyone sends me an email 549 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 3: that's crazy, that they're right. They thought that, and I 550 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 3: was at CNN when this was going on. Right, they 551 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 3: thought Trump was the perfect candidate for Hillary Clinton. Yes, 552 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 3: and they were wrong. So it's not to say to 553 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 3: point out the Democrats want Trump doesn't mean that Trump 554 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 3: can't beat Biden. But it is to say, I think 555 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 3: they believe that their best matchup is Trump Biden. 556 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 4: Again. 557 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 3: I don't think there's any doubt in their minds on 558 00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 3: that one, unless Biden, you know, has a severe health 559 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 3: issue that they. 560 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 4: Can't hide anymore. 561 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, I wonder too. So many Republicans natural 562 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 2: reaction is anger and to line up behind Trump. And 563 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 2: that's why we've been asking so many questions about would 564 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 2: you pardon him if you're the nominee. We asked Ron 565 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 2: DeSantis on this show, Vivi Gramaswami, I think is the 566 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 2: only candidate who's come out and set one hundred percent 567 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,719 Speaker 2: that he would and credit to him for saying so. 568 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 2: I wonder how many people out there listening to us, though, 569 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 2: buck just have an immense amount of Trump fatigue, right 570 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 2: because when you're fighting a battle over presidential classified documents, 571 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 2: you're not talking about the border as much, you're not 572 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 2: talking about crime, you're not talking about all of the 573 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 2: failures that Joe Biden as president has put in place. Instead, 574 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 2: you're talking about Donald Trump and battles with the Department 575 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 2: of Justice. And I wonder how many people listening to 576 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 2: us right now are just like, this story's never gonna end, 577 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 2: right because now you got New York, Now you add 578 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 2: in Miami. I think you'll end up with DC. I 579 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 2: think you'll end up with Atlanta, all all of these 580 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 2: spiraling different investigations. The discussion is not what Joe Biden 581 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 2: is failing doing. It's about Trump and his legal peril. 582 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 2: And I wonder how much of that weighs in as 583 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 2: people make their decisions about where you going to vote. 584 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 2: And I certainly think it weighs in with independence. We 585 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 2: talked last week when we say buck, it's moms in 586 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 2: the suburbs that are going to decide this election. Are 587 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 2: moms in the suburbs like, Oh, now Trump is charged 588 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 2: in Miami, I'm definitely voting for him. Now, I don't know. 589 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 2: I find it hard to believe that your average mom 590 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 2: in the suburbs is all in on Trump as a 591 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 2: result of these charges. 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Thanks for being here 619 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 4: with us, everybody. 620 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 3: We are gonna be talking in a few minutes here 621 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 3: about the Daniel Penny situation in New York City, something 622 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 3: that a lot of us are still very focused in on. 623 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 3: But I want to take some of your calls. We 624 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 3: also want to have you hear this. This is the 625 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 3: the promo clip of the Hannity Gavin Newsom interview and look, we. 626 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 4: Approach these things with fairness and with principle. 627 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 3: I'm I'm surprised, but credit to Gavin Newsom is willing 628 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 3: to sit down with an actual conservative and have a conversation. 629 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 4: Most Libs won't anymore, I don't. 630 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 3: I mean, I gotta assume Gavin Newsom would come on 631 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 3: this radio show now, so that raises some interesting ideas. 632 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 4: That's a really good idea. 633 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we should probably, right, folks, Okay, if 634 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 3: we have on, he'd be an interesting conversation. Right, We'll 635 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 3: ask him the tough questions like how does it feel 636 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 3: to be single handedly destroying what is like a you know, 637 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 3: geographically a gift from God, that being California. Anyway, here's 638 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 3: Newsom and Hannity and on the issue of Biden and 639 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 3: any plot behind the scenes. 640 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 4: Play three. 641 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 5: Do you think he's cognitively strong enough to be president? 642 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 4: Conversations from all the time. Yes, And I'll tell you 643 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 4: what you do. I'm dead serious about that. I've conversed. 644 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 4: I've talked to him when he's been overseas. 645 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 5: I've been an Air Force one, Marine one, I've been 646 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 5: in the limo with him. I've spent time with him, okay. 647 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 6: And they never answered my question directly, how many times 648 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 6: is your phone ping a day? 649 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 4: People saying you need to get in this. 650 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 3: Race because they agree with me that he's not up 651 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 3: to the job. 652 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 5: To see where you're going with that, I'm asking no, 653 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 5: and I'm not answering. 654 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 4: Gavin. Get a little squirmy there. I don't you know, 655 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 4: he loves he loves that question. 656 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 3: To be honest, he wants he wants that question asked 657 00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 3: all the time because it goes. 658 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 4: To help you. Newsom is the savior of the Democrats 659 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 4: in his own mind. Yeah. 660 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 2: Look, I was on Friday talking about that with Sean. 661 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 2: They played that clip and I reacted to it. And 662 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 2: my take on it is, first of all, the fact 663 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 2: that Gavin Newsom wants to go on with Sean Hannity, 664 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 2: to me. 665 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 4: Buck is a sign that he is trying to keep his. 666 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 2: Names as widely distributed as possible as a potential candidate 667 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four. And I don't think that's coincidental. 668 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 2: And all he had to do was say, oh, everybody 669 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 2: knows I'm supporting Joe Biden. It doesn't matter what people 670 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 2: might say privately. Maybe down the road. That'll change how 671 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 2: and maybe we can return to this later. I don't 672 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 2: want to get because I want to get to a 673 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 2: couple of a calls. We've every line's lits. Let's get 674 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 2: to our callers here. But just a thought out there. 675 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 2: If Biden stepped decide, how do you have Gavin Newsom 676 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 2: step in front of Kamala Harris, the first black female 677 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 2: vice president as a Democrat? I just how do you 678 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 2: do that? I mean, I'm not saying it's impossible. 679 00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 3: I'm just saying that would be There'd be some political 680 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 3: acrobatics on this idea. 681 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 2: Is just such an awful candidate, Buck that that is 682 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 2: how it would happen, right. 683 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 3: Like, that's what we thought about Joe Biden. He's an 684 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 3: awful candidate too. I'm not even sure the Democrat can. 685 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 3: I don't know how much it really matters, all Right, 686 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 3: Frank in Texas got some thoughts about what we're talking to. 687 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 4: Frank, what's up? 688 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: Hey? 689 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,359 Speaker 6: You have a question for you guys? And it kind 690 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,319 Speaker 6: of like tison I guess into everything. Donald Trump is 691 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 6: a very smart guy. He's known from day one how 692 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,760 Speaker 6: much he was going to be viciously attacked for everything 693 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 6: he did and everything he said, Why do you think 694 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:39,359 Speaker 6: that he's acted so rogue in some situations, knowing that 695 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 6: the left is just waiting for him to slip one 696 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 6: iota so he can be dragged through what he's being 697 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 6: dragged through. 698 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 2: Now, I think it's the single most totally get it. 699 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 2: Thank you for the call. I think it's the single 700 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,319 Speaker 2: best question to ask. If you know and Trump does 701 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 2: that every single thing you do is trying to be 702 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,359 Speaker 2: used against you as a way to be attacked, why 703 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 2: would you create this kind of risky situation where Buck 704 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 2: I don't see a big payoff? 705 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:08,879 Speaker 4: Right. 706 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 2: Risk taking is about analyzing, Okay, I might lose, but 707 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 2: I've got I can make ten x or twenty x. 708 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,280 Speaker 4: Right, what's the payoff here? To Trump? 709 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 2: He gets to keep a bunch of old documents that 710 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:25,399 Speaker 2: nobody cares about. By and large, he thinks he had 711 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 2: the authority to take him and no one was going 712 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:28,799 Speaker 2: to tell him that he didn't have. 713 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 3: The authority apparently. I mean, I think that's I think 714 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 3: that's what it comes down to. He just if anyone 715 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 3: else has a theory on this one that's you know, 716 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 3: rooted in reality. I'm curious because the problem he's gonna have. 717 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,959 Speaker 3: It's not so much that he took the documents. They're 718 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 3: coming after him legally on he wouldn't give them back. 719 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 4: That's right, and it makes no sense.