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Speaker 2: Wouldn't you agree?

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Speaker 1: One five dollars. This is a raal hobuy tackle one man.

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Speaker 4: You're saying that humans need fantasy to make.

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Speaker 2: Refusing to give up. All right, hit that horn, Bayless?

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Speaker 2: What is up?

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Speaker 3: Everybody? Welcome to the Fantasy Flex Podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 3: Chris raybond as always got my dude Sean Kerner here,

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Speaker 3: one of the top rankers in the game, and we're

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Speaker 3: gonna be talking all about our final twenty twenty two

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Speaker 3: our old buddy opal Mister Matthew Friedman, d director of

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Speaker 3: content at Fantasy Pros and Betting Pros.

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Speaker 2: Matthew, Hey, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 5: Look, I mean, if there's one guy that you want

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Speaker 5: on the show to talk about final Fantasy football rankings,

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Speaker 5: it's obviously me. I mean, my ranking accuracy when I

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Speaker 4: I mean it actually was pretty good.

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Speaker 3: I mean, so I don't know if that was you're

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Speaker 3: trying to be so no, no, I'm joking.

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Speaker 2: I'm joking. I was horrible.

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Speaker 5: So the three years in which I was like, oh,

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Speaker 5: like player projections, like top down player projections, those three

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Speaker 5: years my rankings were absolute trash. And then every other

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Speaker 5: I'm just doing rankings. I've been top sixteen, Like something

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Speaker 5: I'm done with projections. I'm just doing rankings from now on.

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Speaker 4: That's actually really it.

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Speaker 3: our final rankings and you know, so we'll get into that.

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Speaker 3: let's start with the running back, cause running backs is

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Speaker 3: you know where the most players go early in the draft.

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Speaker 4: About some of the guys you're higher and lower on.

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Speaker 3: But there are a few guys I want to get

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Speaker 3: started off with right away in terms of where you're

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Speaker 3: ranking them. The first one is Alvin Kamara. He is

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Speaker 3: the consensus RB twelve on Fantasy Pros. Friedman, what are

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Speaker 4: First he was going to get suspended, Now he might not,

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Speaker 4: What would a podcast would Friedman be without calling a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think RB nineteen is a little high.

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Speaker 3: him RB twenty four as well, though. All right, let's

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Speaker 3: go to JK. Dobbins another kind of similar situation, but

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Speaker 3: he's RB twenty six at Fantasy Pros and freeban I mean,

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Speaker 3: a Raiders offense that he can score like fifteen touchdowns

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Speaker 5: But I mean he could, but he won't, all right,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's tough. And then so so where do

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Speaker 3: He's a twenty seven at a Fantasy pros consensus right now,

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Speaker 5: Actually, yeah, so I have Gibson at RB thirty four.

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Speaker 3: You know, that just doesn't sound like, you know, first

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Speaker 5: All right, I'm glad I have this conversation with you guys.

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Speaker 5: I have moved to give some up ranking and.

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Speaker 4: See you don't even have to do any projections. How

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Speaker 2: That was great?

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Speaker 3: Now we can just kind of get into your guys,

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Speaker 4: Who are you hire Lowron in the first eight or

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Speaker 3: You know, no, no like crazy sweepers or anything like this,

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Speaker 3: but just the guys, your guys, Who do you like a.

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Speaker 2: Couple of guys. I'm high on Aaron Jones.

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Speaker 5: I have an RB seven and the expert consensus he's

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Speaker 5: RB eleven and ADP RB ten. And then I'm also

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Speaker 5: Consensus is RB thirty six, ADP is RB thirty. So

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Speaker 5: you know, with Aaron Jones, it's a pretty straightforward thing.

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Speaker 5: DeVante Adams has gone, Marcus Valdez Scantleen has gone. Two

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Speaker 5: give that to Aaron Jones, who, you know, as we've

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Speaker 2: So I think there's.

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Speaker 5: Room for both Aaron Jones and AJ Dillon to produce.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I like Aaron Jones as well. I think he's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a couple guys that I am lower on. Elijah Mitchell.

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Speaker 5: This is just like I'm not going to take the

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Speaker 4: And now it's just all gone downhill Kerner, what about you?

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Speaker 1: the back hill is healthy, and then their value when

438
00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,639
Speaker 1: their key teammate is out of commission. So I think

439
00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,760
Speaker 1: Givate Williams and the RB one tier is appealing because

440
00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,160
Speaker 1: he's the only guy in this range who has legit

441
00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,360
Speaker 1: top five upside if his backup Melvin Gordon misses time.

442
00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:51,680
Speaker 1: And we got to see a glimpse of that last

443
00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:53,960
Speaker 1: season when he finished his RB one the week that

444
00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,080
Speaker 1: Melvin Gordon was out. So I do think he's Sneaky's

445
00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,840
Speaker 1: still at RB eleven. Saquon Barkley, Leonard Fournette. I think

446
00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:02,040
Speaker 1: those guys are way too low. Both of them offer

447
00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:06,440
Speaker 1: top five upside if they're both healthy in the twenty

448
00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,040
Speaker 1: to thirty five range. The four guys, I just love

449
00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:13,280
Speaker 1: targeting because I think they just have so much upside

450
00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,840
Speaker 1: and they have a pretty high floor. AJ Dillon, Tony Pollard,

451
00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:21,240
Speaker 1: Kaream Hunt, Ramondre Stevenston. They're technically the backups to begin

452
00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,240
Speaker 1: the season, but they're gonna be able to put up

453
00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,320
Speaker 1: RB two or flex value even when the starter's healthy,

454
00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,160
Speaker 1: and then they all may be excluding Ramondre Stevenson, offer

455
00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,840
Speaker 1: you know, RB one value if the starter were to

456
00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,679
Speaker 1: miss time. So I love, you know, targeting those guys.

457
00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,359
Speaker 1: And then Melvin Gordon is kind of part of that

458
00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,840
Speaker 1: group I mentioned earlier, Javonte Williams. Melvin Gordon should see

459
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,520
Speaker 1: a big enough role I think to produce RB three

460
00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,680
Speaker 1: flex value most weeks, and then I think he could

461
00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,640
Speaker 1: still be like a high end RB two of Javonte

462
00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,159
Speaker 1: were to miss time, and then later on Damian Pierce.

463
00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,639
Speaker 1: His ADP is not forty three anymore. It's more like

464
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,159
Speaker 1: twenty eight and I do like taking him there. I

465
00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:01,000
Speaker 1: think he's clearly gonna be the workhorse back on the Texans.

466
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,680
Speaker 1: And Isaiah Pachecko I still like him later on. He's

467
00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,880
Speaker 1: one of those backs he doesn't really need an injury

468
00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,880
Speaker 1: to be in the RB two flex discussion. He could

469
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 1: just simply outplay Clyde Edwards Hilaire and you don't need

470
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,320
Speaker 1: that many touches in this offense to produce value. So

471
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 1: I think Pachecko is still too you know, too far

472
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 1: down the board, and anybody you don't like, well, I mean,

473
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 1: I don't really fade guys, but I would say that

474
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,159
Speaker 1: the frozen pond here right now would be guys. We

475
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:30,240
Speaker 1: talked about cam Akers JK. Dobbins where they're probably beginning

476
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,439
Speaker 1: of the season less than you know, one hundred percent,

477
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 1: plus they don't have much, you know, receiving usage, which

478
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 1: limits their you know, weekly four And then Elijah Mitchell

479
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,439
Speaker 1: just it's standard to fade the top forty nine ers

480
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 1: running back going in the season, Like Freeman said, we

481
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,159
Speaker 1: have been burned every season in the past four seasons

482
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 1: with that. So I think just Elijah Mitchell, I love

483
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 1: him as a talent, but just right now at his ADP.

484
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 1: I think it's a bit high.

485
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, just like who knows what's gonna happen with that

486
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,359
Speaker 3: back dude. I mean last year, I think it was

487
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,200
Speaker 3: Week one where they all got hurt. Like in Week one,

488
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:05,119
Speaker 3: like everyone just went down. So yeah, for me, it's

489
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 3: James Connor is a guy I'm in that early kind

490
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 3: of running back tier that I'm higher on than consensus on.

491
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 3: I think he's going to get the ball a lot

492
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:15,880
Speaker 3: as for as long as he could take it, and

493
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 3: he went great last year, so I really like him.

494
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 4: I think he's going a little bit too low. I'm

495
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:22,640
Speaker 4: like RB thirteen with him.

496
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 3: And as far as guys I'm low on, you know,

497
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 3: it's it's really the guys we talked about, you know, JK.

498
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,719
Speaker 3: Dobbins especially, but Acres I'm a little bit lower than

499
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 3: consensus on as well. You know, just guys where you

500
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:35,480
Speaker 3: have those question marks. But I think you want to

501
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 3: kind of mitigate your risk at this point in the draft,

502
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 3: and you could you could still take wide receivers that

503
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 3: have a lot higher floors in the spots that you

504
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 3: have to draft. Acres and and Dobbins. All right, let's

505
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 3: go to wide receiver and I want to start with

506
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 3: the guy that's been really tough to kind of get

507
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 3: a read on for me, and that's Chris Godwin Freeman.

508
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 3: He's the wide receiver twenty eight at Fantasy Pros consensus,

509
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:00,639
Speaker 3: but we still kind of don't know what's going on

510
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 3: with him. Will we be back in week one? We

511
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 3: don't have a concrete answer yet. Where do you rank

512
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 3: him entering the year?

513
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm a wide receiver thirty nine, and I'm probably

514
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,159
Speaker 5: too low on him, and like every week I just

515
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 5: like bump him up one or two spots. But I'm

516
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 5: pretty skeptical on a few things. So let's assume that

517
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,959
Speaker 5: he plays Week one, although like we can't take that

518
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 5: for granted, but you know, let's assume that happens. Even

519
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 5: if that happens based on when he suffered the injury

520
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,360
Speaker 5: near the end of the season, Like, I don't think

521
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 5: he's going to have had like the full time to

522
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 5: have a proper rehab on the ACL, so he could

523
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 5: still be far less efficient than the Chris Godwin that

524
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 5: we saw in previous years with Tom Brady. So that's

525
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 5: like the first thing. And then the second thing is

526
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,919
Speaker 5: that you've had Julio Jones and Russell Gage join that offense,

527
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 5: so Gauge as more of a slot receiver. We've seen

528
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 5: Godwin do his best work in the slot, but now

529
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 5: he might have to play a little more outside to

530
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,959
Speaker 5: accommodate Gauge in the lot. So you put that together

531
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 5: with Julio Jones, they're potentially like rotating in and instilling

532
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 5: snaps from him, and I'm just kind of skeptical about

533
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 5: the entire situation for him.

534
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, some those are actually some really good points on

535
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 4: a curda. What do you think?

536
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he's tricky because at you know, wide receiver

537
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 1: twenty eight, he's probably gonna take a few weeks before

538
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 1: you can actually play him. So he's a guy where

539
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 1: it depends on your league type. If you're in a

540
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: home league where you draft in person, and somebody in

541
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: your league is an Eagles fan, they draft aj Brown,

542
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 1: you know, seventh pick overall. One of those leagues where

543
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna make the playoffs, then you can

544
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 1: target Chris Gotten because ultimately you're gonna make the playoffs,

545
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 1: and then you have potential mid range wide receiver two

546
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 1: for cheap. So in those types of formats, I think

547
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 1: it's okay, But in general, I just think the risk

548
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 1: outweighs the reward. Right now at wide receiver twenty.

549
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 3: Eight, Is it bad that I think the guy who

550
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 3: drafted aj Brown seventh over Roe might have a better

551
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 3: shot exactly?

552
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I couldn't say devant a Smith or something

553
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: like that to be reasonable here, but.

554
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so I have god Win at thirty six.

555
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 3: I thought I was going to end up being the

556
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 3: how many games do you have messed or like, ah, low,

557
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 3: I'm getting them.

558
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 4: I'm putting them at like four games missed.

559
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 3: But it's just kind of a way to kind of

560
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 3: get his catches where I want him, you know, and

561
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,719
Speaker 3: in in the mid sixties. So I still, you know,

562
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 3: I think there's a like we don't want to draft

563
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 3: these guys who are hurt coming into year.

564
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 4: Like we say this every year every year.

565
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,199
Speaker 3: It's easy to get tempted and like once, you know,

566
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 3: every once in a while one of those guys will hit,

567
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 3: but I mean more often than not they don't for

568
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 3: either because you know, they they don't play when we

569
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 3: think they're going to play, or they come back too

570
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 3: soon it just get hurt again, or like Freeman said,

571
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,199
Speaker 3: Now the Bucks have more options at wide receivers, so

572
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 3: you don't have to play Chris Godwin, you know, like

573
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 3: ninety percent of the time, and he's coming back from an.

574
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 4: Acl like you did.

575
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 3: You know last year when you're you had that top

576
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 3: three in Brown was always missing games, so you had

577
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 3: to play god whin a ton of snaps.

578
00:25:58,440 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 4: But now you have other options.

579
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 3: I just think there's still there's not as much risk

580
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 3: at wide receiver twenty eight. But there's still a lot

581
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 3: of wide receivers who have the upside to play all

582
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,199
Speaker 3: seventeen games and kind of give you that production. So

583
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 3: I'm laying off god when they're Let's talk about a

584
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 3: kind of similar situation in the sense that a very

585
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 3: talented wide receiver who can play inside, outside, but coming

586
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 3: back from an injury, and that's Michael Thomas. He's at

587
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 3: wide receiver thirty one. Freeman, Where do you have him?

588
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm super bullish on him, probably like to the

589
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 5: point of overexposure, but I have him at wide receiver

590
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 5: twenty three. Nick Underhill, who's you know, like an ace

591
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 5: beat reporter for the Saints, has said that he thinks

592
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 5: Michael Thomas is going to be healthy entering the season,

593
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 5: and you know, if that's the case, then I think

594
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 5: he is severely undervalued right now. He's like, no question,

595
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 5: I think he's a risk seeking selection. But you know,

596
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 5: nine point one yards per target for his career. The

597
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 5: last time he played, like we saw how dominant he

598
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 5: was Jamis and Sin. You know, I think is I

599
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 5: think he's going to be more Jamous than the version

600
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 5: of him that we saw last year, who was like

601
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 5: very restrained for the first part of the season, and

602
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 5: even within that he was still like a pretty efficient player.

603
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 5: So with the weapons he has around him, maybe he

604
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 5: cuts it loose a little bit more. But you know,

605
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 5: like Michael Thomas doesn't need to be like the Michael

606
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 5: Thomas to return a lot of value at wide receiver

607
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 5: thirty one. He just needs to be like healthy and

608
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 5: within a functional offense.

609
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 4: Purdie, where do you have Thomas?

610
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I have him wide receiver twenty seven, So

611
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: I do like getting him at thirty one if he

612
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: falls that far. And it sounded like he was one

613
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: hundred percent readier to return to form heading in the season,

614
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: but it sounds like, you know, he has a minor

615
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: hamstring injury with him we don't know. This is something

616
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 1: we have to monitor. Hopefully it was just being precautionary,

617
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 1: but it's definitely something we have to monitor. I think

618
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: he should be okay for week one or if not,

619
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 1: then week two. So I think right now a wide

620
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 1: receiver thirty one, he's still offering value. Yeah, I have

621
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: him right at thirty one.

622
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 3: You know, I do worry a little bit just because

623
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 3: he really hasn't practiced much. I know there were some

624
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 3: good reports a few times he did, but I do

625
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 3: worry about kind of a guy who's missed this much

626
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 3: time and now he's got the hamstring, Like is it

627
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 3: like a compensation issue? And they do have options, like

628
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 3: when he was putting up his crazy numbers, you know,

629
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 3: for a while there they really had nobody else. You know,

630
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 3: Now they have Landry, they have Olave, so they have

631
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 3: some and if Camara doesn't miss time, that they also

632
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 3: have him, so like there's a little bit more competition.

633
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 3: I do think that, like, if you're fine with the risk,

634
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 3: I do think it's a high upside pick. But yeah,

635
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 3: I'm kind of in line with consensus here, just because

636
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 3: we haven't seen this guy play in a couple of years.

637
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 4: Really feels like.

638
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 2: I love how Raybon. It's like they had no one.

639
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 2: That is some serious ted gin slander. How dare you?

640
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 3: Yeah?

641
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 4: I couldn't even think of who they had.

642
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, Ted gin Man, all right, Treylon Burks.

643
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 3: He's floating around there at wide receiver forty nine. He

644
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 3: caught a touchdown, but he wasn't even the best highlight

645
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 3: of his own touchdown. That was when lake willis with

646
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 3: the side on brow. Where do you have Treylon Freeman?

647
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 5: Traylon Burks. I loved him entering the draft. I loved

648
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 5: him after the draft because I thought, like, not that

649
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 5: he would be AJ Brown, but he would be in

650
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 5: that AJ Brown role. But what I've seen in the preseason,

651
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 5: and we'll just say everything before that too, like like

652
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 5: puff season, like everyone gets talked about and they're playing

653
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 5: the best they've ever played, like unanimous negative reports about him,

654
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 5: like that is highly concerning. And then in the preseason,

655
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 5: like he's running the same number of first team routes

656
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 5: and playing the same number of first team snaps with

657
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 5: guys who aren't going to make the team, and like

658
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 5: he's playing like into the second half of games, like

659
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 5: this is a tragedy for Traylon Burk's investors. So like

660
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 5: wide receiver forty nine, that is probably fair. I have

661
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 5: him at wide receiver forty five, but like I just

662
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 5: keep on bumping down, like every week I bump him down,

663
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 5: and like I want none of him at this point,

664
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 5: Like Robert Woods definitely feels like the number one receiver

665
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 5: in that offense, and Traylon Burks like he can't find

666
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 5: the field, and like he scored a touchdown in Week

667
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 5: three of the preseason, great, it was on horrible coverage.

668
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 5: And I don't care like what your production looks like

669
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 5: in the preseason. I just care how many snaps you're

670
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 5: playing with the first team, And like he's not separating.

671
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: Oh, I moved him way down. He's around wide receiver

672
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: sixty three for me right now, and he's the guy.

673
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: I still think he has a ton of long term

674
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: upside and he still has a wide range of outcomes

675
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: this season, but it does look like it's gonna be

676
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: closer to the floor than his ceiling. This isn't exactly

677
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: the Jamar Chase situation last year with the you know,

678
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: the white paint on the football thing. Jamar Chase was

679
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: a generational talent Burks is still a raw prospect go

680
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: either way, and the fact that he's on such a

681
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: run heavy team, there's not as many targets to go around.

682
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: So like AJ Brown was able to thrive because he's

683
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: so good and he had to maintain insane levels of efficiency.

684
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: So you know, I don't even think Burks is gonna

685
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: get that playing time early on. You know, he's not

686
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: able to beat out guys like Kyle Phillips, Nick Westbrook, Akina.

687
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be playing more than him early

688
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: in the season, so he's gonna have to fight his

689
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: way up the depth chart. That's just not a good situation.

690
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: Like I said, he still does have a high ceiling

691
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: in this range, but wide receiver forty nine is way

692
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: too high for me.

693
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually have him at seventy one, so I'm

694
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 3: even lower than you. But I mean there's you know,

695
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 3: I kind of bumped his you know, I still have

696
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 3: him like eventually, like I still have him running the

697
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 3: second most routes on the team. So it's but I

698
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 3: am kind of factoring in that it's gonna take some

699
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 3: time for him to get there because he is gonna

700
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 3: be behind or at least in a four way potentially

701
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 3: five way rotation on a run heavy team. So there's upside,

702
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 3: but there's not as much upside because you know, it's

703
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 3: not like he's not just gonna like hit the ground

704
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 3: running in week one.

705
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 4: It's he's gonna have to work to there.

706
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll say, like my wide receiver forty five ranking

707
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 5: is one hundred percent upside based you know, like it's

708
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 5: not looking at like the median outcomes, because the median

709
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 5: outcome for him is just like like total, like he's

710
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 5: on the bench.

711
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, it's like, I mean, you still have

712
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 3: to balance, like they're just other guys I think have

713
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 3: much higher up like a lot of other guys that

714
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 3: at this point just based on what we've seen.

715
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, like Freeman you're on is under his receiving cards, right,

716
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: like your median for him is pretty low.

717
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 2: Yes, that's fair.

718
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he's he's just no longer somebody I want

719
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 3: any part of hasn't been for a while.

720
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 4: Julio Jones.

721
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 3: Julio Jones is consensus wide receiver fifty nine. I know

722
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 3: you were tweeting about him, and so do you still

723
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 3: like him Freeman or where are you out with him?

724
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 4: Yeah.

725
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 5: I mean, obviously, like Julio Jones, would it surprise you

726
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 5: guys to know that he's like the guy I want

727
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 5: the most in Fantasy this year.

728
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 2: It's like a total Freedman move. This is going to

729
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: blow up in my face. I have Julio.

730
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 5: Jones wide receiver forty four, and I'm just saying, like,

731
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 5: I know that is aggressive, but I think he's still

732
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 5: a great player. I know he missed significant time in

733
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 5: the past two years, but he's still had ten point

734
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 5: four yards per target over the past two years. Like

735
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 5: that is a super elite number. That's like up there

736
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 5: with Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson and Deebo Samuel in

737
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 5: the thirteen games with a fifty percent snap rate that

738
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 5: he's played since twenty twenty, so over the past two years,

739
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 5: he's had over a thousand yards in those games. You know, Like,

740
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,959
Speaker 5: I think he's basically going to have like an Antonio

741
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 5: Brown type of rotational role within this offense. Not saying

742
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,719
Speaker 5: not like running the same routes, but the way in

743
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 5: which he's used. So he won't be on the field

744
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 5: for every play, but when he's out there, I think

745
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 5: he's going to be targeted pretty heavily as a pass

746
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 5: catching specialist, and as the number three receiver on that team,

747
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 5: he's going to have the softest coverage of his career

748
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 5: with the best quarterback of his career. Like only one

749
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 5: thing needs to happen for him to crush, and that's

750
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 5: just stay healthy. Now I know that is like he

751
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 5: really like, uh a fragile thing. But as long as

752
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 5: he is healthy, like he's going to outperform ADP.

753
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 3: So essentially what you're saying is wide receiver falls off

754
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 3: the cliff at after wide receiver forty four because like

755
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 3: you said, you had Burgs forty five and you just

756
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 3: trashed the guy. But Julio's forty four and he just

757
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 3: gave him the most glowing reviews.

758
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 4: So like you just have to draft. It's it's the

759
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 4: frozen pond of receivers I want to see.

760
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's all upside.

761
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 4: It's all upside, Karrian Aridia Julio.

762
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have him wide receiver fifty four right now,

763
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: And this is the range where even if you were

764
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: to get injured or bust, it won't kill you. So

765
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: I do like taking you know, flyers on upside and

766
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: not every flyer on upside has to be some young dude.

767
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: You know, these thirty three year old receivers deserves love too.

768
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: But it sounds like Chris Godwin. You know, he's gonna

769
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: be easy. And we talked about that Russell gage. His

770
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: leg entry seems to be more severe than we thought.

771
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: There's really no update. It doesn't look like he's gonna

772
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: play week one, So there's a chance Hulio could have

773
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: a pretty big early season role. And one of the

774
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: most baffling things projecting Julio Jones through his entire career

775
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: is lack of touchdowns. That could change this here. You know,

776
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: he has Tom Brady throwing balls at him, so he

777
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: could get off to a hot start. I think he'd

778
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: be a guy that I would draft to potentially trade away,

779
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: you know, by like week four, I think he is

780
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: going to have a hot start. But then that's when

781
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: you know, old you know, father time might kick in.

782
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, I do think it's it's wise to kind

783
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: of invest in Hulu at this range. So you know,

784
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: I like Friedman's you know, bullish rank of forty four

785
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: in this range because this is kind of where you

786
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: want to take shots.

787
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got him forty five so I'm right withmen.

788
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 3: I just think this is one This is one of

789
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 3: those like obvious situations that like in hindsight is just

790
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 3: going to be so clear.

791
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 4: But it's like, what did the Bucks do?

792
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 3: They got Antonio Brown and no one had any idea

793
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 3: and they played him about two thirds of their snaps

794
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 3: and he killed. And now like I feel like they're

795
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 3: going to try to do the same thing Withjulio. They also,

796
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 3: you know, Bronk comes back, he out Like they just

797
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 3: do this, Like this is what the Bucks do. They

798
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 3: find guys who are legends and squeeze like another few

799
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 3: years out of them, and uh, you know, like like

800
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 3: you said, Gauge hurt, godwins, not one hundred percent. I mean,

801
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 3: like there's no there's a non zero chance that Jhuio

802
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 3: Jones could actually end up like being the number two

803
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 3: wide receiver on this team in terms of the usage

804
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 3: when you add it all up, just because of the

805
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 3: other guys being hurt.

806
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 4: So yeah, I like Julio. I think people people are

807
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 4: just way too low on him.

808
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 3: Just like remember like the recency bias, Like I know

809
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 3: he's older, but like everything's in place for him to

810
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 3: uh to have a good season Freeman.

811
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 4: Of course, some other guys you're higher or lower on

812
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 4: than consensus.

813
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, some guys. I'm high on DJ Moore.

814
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 5: I haven't met wide receiver ten ADP at Fantasy Pros's

815
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 5: wide receiver fifteen, Gabriel Davis wide receiver twenty one. His

816
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 5: ADP is wide receiver twenty six, and then Drake London.

817
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 5: I haven't met wide receiver twenty six. That's aggressive, but

818
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 5: I don't care. His ADP is wide receiver forty. With

819
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 5: DJ Moore, I actually have him thirty five to one

820
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 5: to lead the league in receiving yardage.

821
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: You know, he's the only.

822
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 5: Wide receiver in the league with twelve hundred yards from

823
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 5: scrimmage in each of the past three years. He doesn't

824
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 5: have much in the way of target competition in Carolina.

825
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 5: He's still just twenty five, so he's ascending and as

826
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 5: Sadas is to say, he actually does now have the

827
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 5: best quarterback of his career in Baker Mayfield.

828
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 2: Gabriel Davis.

829
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 5: Man, I just I want pieces of that Buffalo offense,

830
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 5: and I think people are underappreciating the breakout that is

831
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 5: going to happen with Gabriel Davis. Like he in terms

832
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 5: of how he's been used in the preseason, he has

833
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 5: been treated like the clear number two wide receiver in

834
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 5: that offense, nine point nine yards per target including the

835
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 5: playoffs for his career, a legitimate end zone weapon with

836
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 5: a twelve point one percent touchdown rate. He's like now

837
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 5: a beefed up two hundred and twenty seven pounds. He's

838
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 5: just twenty three years old, so he is still ascending.

839
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 5: And then Drake London, you know, I like targeting rookies

840
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 5: in general when I'm looking for upside, Like with veterans,

841
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 5: we have a good sense of who they are, and

842
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 5: like the range of outcomes with a rookies, I think

843
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 5: there's more upside with the unknown. And he's precisely the

844
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 5: kind of rookie receiver I want. You know, he's big,

845
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 5: he's young, turned twenty one years old in July. He's

846
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 5: entering the NFL early, was, you know, just a junior

847
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 5: in his final college season. Elite Draft Capital picks number

848
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 5: eight overall strong college production, over a thousand yards receiving

849
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 5: in eight games in his final season. Like, you put

850
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 5: all that together and it's like, he's probably not Larry Fitzgerald.

851
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 5: He's probably not Mike Evans, but he checks a lot

852
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 5: of the same boxes that those guys checked when they

853
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 5: were entering the league. So if I'm going to be

854
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 5: aggressive on a rookie like be a year early, this

855
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 5: is the kind of rookie that I'm going to do

856
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:39,439
Speaker 5: that with.

857
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, we like got some Drake London as well. Anyone

858
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 4: to down on?

859
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, Alan Robinson. People know, like I've like said, no,

860
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 5: the world doesn't want to hear me talk about Alan

861
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 5: Robinson anymore. I'm still as low on him as I

862
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 5: used to be, but I'm still low on him. I'm

863
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 5: just going to say, like I'm a little bit skeptical

864
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 5: that a guy who sucked as badly as he sucked

865
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 5: last year, Like, no one can deny that he was

866
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 5: bad last year. He's not like old old, But a

867
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 5: guy who sucked like that, given the age that he is,

868
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 5: like could be right on the cusp of when you

869
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 5: start attributing that suckage to age and not to other

870
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 5: things that people want to attribute it to, you know,

871
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 5: Like it could be that he had a des Bryant

872
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 5: like decline because he's just a physical type of wide

873
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,439
Speaker 5: receiver who has lost his juice instead of like, oh,

874
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 5: his quarterback sucked or his coach sucked, or he just

875
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 5: wasn't motivated because he hated the team, or like whatever,

876
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 5: whatever the reason is that you come up with, it

877
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 5: might be those, but given the age and given like

878
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 5: just how horrible he was last year, it might just

879
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 5: be that he's no longer good at football. So like

880
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 5: I'm and I'm just gonna say, like, I know that

881
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 5: I am probably wrong, but if he outperforms ADP, I

882
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 5: don't think he does it by all that much. And

883
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 5: if he underperforms ADP, it could be like him falling

884
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 5: through the floor. So I'm just trying to like to

885
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 5: focus on that range on so many other wide receivers

886
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 5: that I like and I think have higher floors than

887
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 5: Alan Robinson. So he's one guy I'm low on. And

888
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 5: then like Adam Delon for I feel like fairly obvious reasons.

889
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 5: He's old, he's touchdown dependent his offense which will probably

890
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 5: be better, but like we don't know if it will

891
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 5: be better, like that has a new head coach coming

892
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 5: into it, so we don't know if he's going to

893
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 5: be used in the same way. He could lose touchdowns

894
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 5: to Justin Jefferson and because they will have more three

895
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 5: wide receiver sets. He could actually lose targets to number

896
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 5: three wide receiver kJ Osborne. So I think there are

897
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 5: just a number of reasons to be skeptical about Adam

898
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 5: delon Herner.

899
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 4: What about your receiver Jehia Lowan.

900
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: So I'm high on Ellen Robinson. I have him as

901
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: yeah wide receiver nineteen at A lot of it has

902
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: to do it. Like last season, I was pretty high

903
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: on Cooper Cup and Robert Woods. Unfortunately I had more

904
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: shares of Robert Woods in that range, but I was

905
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: just saying, how big of a leape they were going

906
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: to take having Matt Stafford under center in this offense

907
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: than Jared Goff And look what happened there. And I

908
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: think the same remains true for Alan Robinson. And you know,

909
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: this is by far the best quarterback he's ever had,

910
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: the best system he's ever been in. So I just

911
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: think getting him at the wide receiver twenty four range

912
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 1: is too good to pass up. And you know, earlier

913
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: in the offseason he was like wide receiver twenty eight,

914
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: wide receiver thirty, So his ADP has come down a bit,

915
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: but I still like him inside the top twenty Obviously,

916
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,399
Speaker 1: I agree with Freeman on Gabe Davis. You know he's

917
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: wide receiver twenty, but really I would not be surprised

918
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: if we're ranking him inside the top ten at some

919
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: point in the season. Josh Allen just recently said he

920
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: doesn't even view Gabe Davis as his number two target.

921
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: He's more of a complimentary piece with Stefan Diggs. So

922
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: that goes a show like how big of a role

923
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 1: he's going to have in this offense. And he's produced.

924
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: Any time he's had to step up with more time,

925
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: he's always come through. So this season, just I can't

926
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: have too many shares of Gabe Davis. I'm all in.

927
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: And then also in this range Brandon Cooks at wide

928
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: receiver twenty two. Love getting him there. I have him

929
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: wide receiver seventeen. I mean, he's just the ideal combo

930
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 1: of like a high floor, high ceiling guy guaranteed to

931
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: be the number one target on this offense. You know

932
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to throw a lot this year again,

933
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: So just love Brandon Cooks in this range. And then

934
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: later on I love Elijah Moore. I have him wide

935
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: receiver thirty one. He is clearly a bet on talent.

936
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter who's under center, he's going to produce.

937
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: Last season, weeks eight through thirteen, he was the wide

938
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: receiver two overall with four different quarterbacks. Just goes to

939
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 1: show how talented he is. And then I agree with

940
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 1: for Himan again on Drake Lennon. He is by far

941
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: my favorite rookie wide receiver. I have him wide receiver

942
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 1: thirty eight. You know, unfortunately I think you know Marcus

943
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: Marriot a Desmond Ritter. Mike Kapp is touch on upside

944
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 1: a bit, but he's still going to be the number

945
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: one wide receiver in this offense. So I love his

946
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 1: ceiling in this range. And then I still like elm Mazard.

947
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: I have one receiver thirty six. You know, he really

948
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: could be Aaron rodgers number one target this season, especially

949
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: in the red zone. So he's less of a bet

950
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: on talent, more of a bet on just his opportunity

951
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 1: this season. Yeah. So those are the three guys sort

952
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: of in that wide receiver three wide receiver four range

953
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 1: that I love getting easier either as my third wide

954
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: receiver or start filling on my bench.

955
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 4: Yeah. I guess you don't fade people. So should I

956
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 4: even ask if you're a lot now.

957
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: Of course by proxy, markiath Brown in the wide receiver

958
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,240
Speaker 1: twenty three range, just because I'm you know, targeting guys

959
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: like Alan Robinson, Gabe Davis, Brandon Cooks. I'm just not

960
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: getting much Marquise Brown. Now, he could provide wide receiver

961
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 1: you know, twenty or better value the first six games

962
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: of the season when d Hop is out serving his suspension.

963
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: But unfortunately, you know, his his production is going to

964
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,919
Speaker 1: drop off towards the end of the season. So he's

965
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: another guy where I like guys where the value is

966
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 1: gonna peak in the fancy playoffs. I'm playing to win championships,

967
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: so he's a guy where you know, the fancy you know, championship.

968
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: He could be like wide receiver twenty eight, wide receiver thirty.

969
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: So he's just a guy in this range that I'm

970
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: not getting much of.

971
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, for me, it starts with Keatan Allen.

972
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 3: I feel like he's dropping like twelve thirteen, Like I

973
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 3: still have him inside the top ten. I mean, this

974
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 3: guy with a quarterback that could lead the league in

975
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 3: passing yardage and touchdowns, and he's one of the best

976
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 3: route runners, if not the best, in the game. So

977
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 3: really high floor with him one day, he's gonna bust

978
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 3: out for like ten touchdowns one day.

979
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 2: Wouldn't you rather have aj Green though?

980
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: Yeah? Can you guys? Can you make the case for over?

981
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 2: I could, but I won't.

982
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 3: Dave Davis, you know, like like Kerner, like you said

983
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 3: in both of you guys, I think said he's gonna

984
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 3: be a monster on again. One of the best offenses

985
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 3: in the league, Brandon Cooks. I totally agree. He's consistently

986
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 3: higher than ADP in my model, and I got Tyler

987
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 3: Lockett a little higher as well. I know, I know

988
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 3: he's a guy that people are just writing off, but

989
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 3: I think he's still gonna be his ADP at wide

990
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 3: receiver thirty eight or whatever it is.

991
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 4: So those are the guys.

992
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 3: Let's close it up with just anyone else you'd like

993
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 3: to mention Freeman, you could just got deep sleepers, just anything,

994
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 3: you know that's kind of you.

995
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 4: You're different on with your rankings than a consensus.

996
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

997
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 5: Two guys who catch my eye who are deeper down

998
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 5: the board, David and Joku. I have him a tight

999
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 5: end ten, ADP is tight end fifteen, and then Johan

1000
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 5: Dotson wide receiver fifty one. Adp is wide receiver sixty

1001
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 5: three in Djoku average nine point zero yards per target

1002
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 5: last year, in Week one of the preseason, he played

1003
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 5: on one hundred percent of the first team snaps. He

1004
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 5: rested in Week two with a lot of the starters,

1005
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 5: and then he played on twenty two of twenty three

1006
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 5: first team snaps in Week three. So he's likely to

1007
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 5: get the playing time necessary to be the number two

1008
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 5: receiver overall for the Browns. And then Johan Dotson. He's

1009
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 5: been the locked in number two receiver in the preseason

1010
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 5: for the Commanders, right there with Terry McLaurin. And he's

1011
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 5: got the draft capital. He was, you know, pick number

1012
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 5: sixteen overall. He's got the college production to be a

1013
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 5: fantasy relevant play as early as his rookie season. So

1014
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 5: both of those guys I'm pretty.

1015
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 1: High on, right So I'm going to go off the

1016
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,479
Speaker 1: board of different positions, if that's okay. So for tight ends,

1017
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: read my tight end tiers and strategy piece. It's very convoluted.

1018
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: I don't have time to talk about right now, but

1019
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: quarterback is very simple. I am targeting Jalen Hurts. If

1020
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: I don't get them, I'm getting Trey Lance if I

1021
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: don't get him, I'm just streaming. So that's that's my

1022
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: quarterback strategy. I just want to make that very clear.

1023
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 2: I second what Corner said, especially on Trey Lance.

1024
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: Remember when we all had Jalen Hurts ranked in the

1025
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: top three that one week.

1026
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, like it was like, so I'm going a step further.

1027
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 3: It's like it's Hurts Lance and then the float shot

1028
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 3: takes me directly to Justin Fields. Then you yes, And

1029
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 3: if I'm streaming, I'm streaming Marcus Mario. But yeah, so

1030
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 3: that's that's what I'm doing at quarterback, not taking like

1031
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 3: any any of those other guys pretty much. I just

1032
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 3: want a guy who runs. Love Romeo dives at wide receiver.

1033
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 3: I think he could be the number one receiver on

1034
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 3: the Packers by the year. And I love George Pickens.

1035
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,240
Speaker 3: I think the town is real at Alberto.

1036
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 4: I like him on Denver.

1037
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 3: You know, just he's attached to a quarterback that is

1038
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 3: going to throw a lot of touchdowns. And then Tyer

1039
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 3: Higbee led the league in routes for dropback four tight

1040
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 3: ends last year and now we just completely forgot about it.

1041
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 3: I think he had some bad luck for him to

1042
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 3: like score solo in Fantasy last year, so I think

1043
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,720
Speaker 3: he'll rebound as well. Freeven, thank you so much for

1044
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 3: joining us. Let the people know where you're at and

1045
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 3: what you're up to.

1046
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1047
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,439
Speaker 5: Always a good time to get back on the show,

1048
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 5: to put the Power Trio back together, you know, like Nirvana.

1049
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 5: Obviously I was the Kurt Cobain function of the group,

1050
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 5: but no great, great to be on the show. Love

1051
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 5: you guys, and you too continue to crush it on

1052
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,240
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1053
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1056
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 5: I have that week, Like no more like talking about

1057
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Speaker 5: players that I hate, just focusing on players that I like,

1058
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Speaker 5: like stay positive, you know, like give the people what

1059
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Speaker 5: they want. And then I'm also going to have a

1060
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1061
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,440
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1066
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