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Speaker 1: So that's what Kevin does. He dives into some of

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Speaker 1: brand new show, Unsigned and Independent and the artist is

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Speaker 1: He's a former lobbyist in Washington, d C. Turned artist

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Speaker 1: this is Kevin O'Connell. Welcome back to Unsigned and Independent.

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Speaker 1: This is episode four, and on this episode we have

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Speaker 1: Make sure you follow him on social media at Tom

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Speaker 1: kick Off Kevin, and thanks for supporting the first three

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Speaker 1: on man? How you doing today? Good? How are you doing? Man?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing good, doing good. Thanks for coming on here.

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Speaker 1: Glad we get to sit down been trying to do

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Speaker 1: into your story here, Tom, You're from New York, Is

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Speaker 1: get ugly. Yeah. Well, what's going on with you in

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Speaker 1: a lot of this nineties rock stuff that I really

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Speaker 1: I want to leave you with this final question here,

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Speaker 1: Go do it. I mean, you know, save up as

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Speaker 1: you'll make it work, you know. I mean if that

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Speaker 1: But yeah, just go all in. I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: You know. I I was afraid to jump from that

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Speaker 1: know I waited probably a couple of years too long

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Speaker 1: other than not doing it soon. So I mean, I really, yeah,

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Speaker 1: life's too short man. It makes you happy, you know,

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Speaker 1: and it's you know, life's not always about the biggest paycheck.

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Speaker 1: And you know, if you love what you do, I mean,

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Speaker 1: quality and happiness in life is a whole lot more important.

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Speaker 1: Love it love It. Couldn't have said it any better myself, Tom,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming in here. If you're on social media,

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Speaker 1: make sure you follow him at Tom O'Connor music. Is

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Speaker 1: that correct? All those no ease, all those no ease

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Speaker 1: like yeah, I love it. Like I said, O'Connor, O'Connor,

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Speaker 1: and we got the Irish boys in here. Man, this

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Speaker 1: has been a lot of fun. I appreciate you coming in. Yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me. I'm glad we

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Speaker 1: got to do this of course. Of course, best of

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Speaker 1: luck with everything moving forward, looking forward to all your

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Speaker 1: work in the future here and let's do this again

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Speaker 1: sometime definitely, anytime, all right, Thanks Tom,